Why Darth Vader VS Yoda Isn't Even Close!
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- Опубликовано: 9 май 2024
- Darth Vader. Yoda. Two of the greatest Force Users in all of Star Wars, and at their best, each of them can make a pretty strong case for the most powerful being in all the galaxy.
And today, well we’re gonna put that to the test! Using each of these characters in their primes, and including Expanded Universe lore, not just the new Disney Canon, we’re gonna see which one comes out on top - and really, is the fight between them even close? Well lets get to it!
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Just because Anakin never reached his full potential, doesn't mean he didn't become more powerful after becoming Vader.
Right vader would destroy anakin
Naw he definitely gotten weaker because not being of flesh.
@@TheMasonson His potential got cut, for sure. And upon receiving those Mustafar injuries, he was 100% weaker than Anakin. But when he got back on his feet and became accustomed to his suit, say a little before the Obi Wan show, Vader would have obliterated Anakin no question.
@@animafia-family While Anakin would be the "prime" version of Vader in terms of physical abilities, he wasn't as mature as Vader was. We also never saw the prime version of Yoda. We saw a Yoda that was past his prime. You can argue that Palpatine was afraid of Yoda, and that's the reason he did all the smoke and mirror tactics before the Jedi counsel was destroyed.
For some reason people seem to think Vader was weakened to 80% of Darth Sidious's max strength in the force when he lost his limbs and got burned.
When in reality he was only weakened to 80% of his own max strength in the force which at 100% was literally DOUBLE the strength Darth Sidious had in the force.
The only reasons Vader never defeated Sidious are because of his suits vulnerability to force lightning, and the fact he focused more on dueling than the force itself even after his injuries.
If Vader has simply honed his potential in the force, he'd have annihilated Sidious.
Yoda: Over, it is, young Skywalker. The high ground, I have.
Darth Vader: You underestimate the power of the Dark Side!
Yoda: Try it, do not!
"Do or do not, there is no try."
I’ve seen you mostly on anime related content. I guess your getting into Star Wars
@@teaandwinewithmira3301 yea I’m slowly getting into Star Wars
I imagine it kind of funny tho that anakin and Yoda would be the same height if it was Yoda that jumped to the higher spot
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Luke Skywalker watched both of them die in Return of the Jedi.
No, Vader wasn't the most powerful in the galaxy during the revenue of the sith. Sidious said he (Anakin) would become more powerful than either he and Yoda. Which would've been true... Had he not fight obi wan on Mustafar. But at that particular time no he wasn't the most powerful in the galaxy. Vader hadn't reached his peak. He was still an infant in the dark side when revenge of the sith took place.
True but by ROTJ he was more powerful than yoda but still weaker than sidious since they both grew in power substantially since ROTS
@@tvvistedv3nom26
Originally, Vader was always more powerful than Sidious.
He didn’t have to obey his master because of any threat of violence, it was the pact he made with Sidious and the dark side.
Lucas film repeatedly confirmed Vader was the Ultimate fighter. Bar none.
Lets look at the facts
The Novels confirm that if Luke didn’t stop Vader and Sidious then the Jedi would have been finished.
Lego Star Wars confirms that Suit Vader is stronger than Dooku who stalemates Yoda.
Star Wars Comics and Shows confirm that Darth Vader and Sidious are the most powerful individuals in the Galaxy.
Sidious toyed with Yoda and Yoda exiled himself when he realized this.
Suit Vader nearly CRUSHED Sidious when he got put in the suit and found out Padmé died.
The fact that Luke is the last hope of the Galaxy should tell you that Yoda was not on Vader’s Tier.
Obi Wan in the New Hope Movie is stronger than Yoda and has a precise mastery over the usage of The Force.
Sam Witwer had said that Obi Wan’s narrative was to be the strongest defense in the Galaxy. Look at how that worked out against Vader? Exactly.
Sidious heavily implied that he held back against Yoda in Order 66 saying he only uses the Lightsaber to spite and insult Jedi.
I can only potentially see Yoda beating Suited Vader in Pre-ANH Era before Vader’s powers begin reawakening where’s he’s stated stronger in Empire Strikes Back and stronger in Return Of The Jedi.
Darth Vader would dominate Yoda, especially ESB and ROTJ.
@@johnarcher9480
I was thinking the same
No Yoda was far more powerful than Sideous. The only reason he lost was because he fell and the clones were coming to the senate chamber. So he would be outnumbered if he stuck around.
Yoda would win. He is too smart and studied. Mastered everything over centuries. Plus he is crazy fast when he needs to be. His force power is too strong. His absorb and telekinesis. No way he loses this fight. Maybe on his deathbed, but in his prime. No way.
So Yoda beats him cause he has more experience, is the better fighter, and because he’s insanely agile and fast
Not even
Yoda has many centuries of experience.
Who had more experience? Annakin or Dooku
@@consciousgentile5141Anakin had to tap into the dark side to defeat Dooku
@@csc4781Anakin still wasn’t far off from him because they had already fight a number of times before during the war
@@csc4781but you’re still right tho 👍🏾
@@TheRealTaolf you’re right as well 👌🏿
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Yoda reminded Luke that the dark side was easier, not stronger. Yoda earned his power the correct way. Fundamentals, discipline, knowledge, experience, technique...Yoda had everything but size
Size, matters not
Yoda: “I will, if Obi Wan cannot finish you.”
Darth Vader: “If my master can’t destroy you, I will.”
I’m pretty sure it’s stated anakin was conflicted on mustafar so he wouldn’t be at full power the one that attack the Jedi temple is probably his apex before Vader
I don’t think that any force user has even been more powerful than Yoda. He’s the only Jedi that stopped force lightning with his hands. Young Anakin was super powerful especially after he first turned but he lost to Obi Wan. Yoda said that Obi Wan wasn’t powerful enough to beat Sidious. Yoda losing to Sidious was plot armor. Sidious tried to exit rather than fight Yoda.
Sidious is more powerful in the force than yoda but yoda is definitely the better duelist
@@tvvistedv3nom26 would you mind explaining your rationale?
@@anthonyewing457
Read the canon comics Sidous is the strongest character by far in canon, he drove dominated a kaiju and was able to withstand the blasts of star heat in the comics
@@tvvistedv3nom26 I’m not too convinced palpatine is more powerful than yoda, palpatine needed force lightening to push yoda in the beginning of their fight which yoda was capable of blocking but he didn’t react fast enough the first time to he got sent to the wall. Yoda simply pushed palpatine back into the chair and then sidious tried to run. He ran away from him again in their duel he realized he was likely going to lose eventually if he kept deuling him so he ran to the Senate chamber to throw the pods at him. Sidious prepared for that moment in the novelization he had a plan and home turf adavantage. If he fought yoda on solid neutral ground I really don’t see any way sidious wins in the end. Sorry for the essay but that’s just my thought process on those characters and what happened in their fight
Yoda destroys Vader
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@@DavidJ-ty5jm fact
@@fictionrumble SO you think
@@DavidJ-ty5jm yes
Bro Yoda gets whooped by Vader 💀
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Second, no he didn't. Vader did not defeat obi wan in a new hope. Obi wan gave himself up and become one with the force before Vader could strike him down. Obi wan didn't fight Vader with the intent on beating him. It was another lesson obi wan needed to teach his old Padawan. In reality, obi wan is 3-0 against Vader. 3-0 against maul, but 0-2 against Dooku. Quite a resume if you ask me.. And I didn't even mention Grevious.
The novel states otherwise. He was too weak at that point physically to withstand Vader. Also all the other times he won were due to anakin’s inner conflict and on mustafar his arrogance. Plainly just plot armor as even Lucas explained anakin was above Kenobi by ROTS. He was only behind mace and yoda out of the Jedi by that time and obviously behind sidious
Dude, IF you watched episode IV's lightsaber duel between Vader and Obi Wan, you'd clearly see that Obi wan sacrificed himself during the duel. Vader didn't beat him. Obi wan became a force ghost, Vader's blade hit NOTHING!
That's what I thought. Just dissappeared.
He sacrificed himself because he couldn't win.
I’d do to Yoda and Vader what Sidious did to Maul and Savage Opress, but easier
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Exactly💀
Correct
EXACTLY BRO.
Facts
Older Obi let Vader win because he knew Luke was watching.
What Obi-Wan did against Grievous, Yoda can do in a split second.
I always said this about Yoda, but the sad part is Obi-Wan was too weak to fight palpatine
Mace would have beat Sidious if Anakin had not Butted in !!
Considering Obi Wan beat Anakin/Vader twice... I'd say Yoda would make Vader look like an amateur
noone said vader was faster than the emperor, where are you getting all this from
so many incorrect statements in this video
Master Yoda vs Grand Master Skywalker?
I have to believe Skywalker would win. He was considered the strongest Jedi ever.
Not even close. Luke isn't even a competitor
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That being said the verdict is right. There's no way Vader is beating Yoda. One of the advantages Vader has on most of his opponents is that they don't know his Identity. Yoda knows who Vader is just like obi wan. And as we saw in the dark Knight rises when bane called out Batman's true Identity... It takes away from the Mystique.
12:36 I knew Yoda wins
Obi-Wan actually basically surrendered by choice. He wasn't beaten in the last fight at least not in the classic sense of being beaten.
Mace Windu vs Count Dooku
Mace beat Darth Sidious with his lightsaber style. Dooku would lose the same way.
FP Luke and Anakin > Prime Yoda?? = ROTJ Sidious > Rots Sidious = Prequel Yoda > Prime Vader > KFV > ROTS Anakin > ROTJ Luke > AOTC Anakin
I see nothing but 100% facts (prime Yoda would probably be around TESB actually. Many fans think Yoda’s prime is way before the movies because that would be his physical prime. However, Yoda continues to grow in power and skill, even after ROTS, which makes him a superior combatant overall compared to his younger versions)
@@Wes_Bradley-Taubner Yoda’s body by the time of TESB was confirmed to have grown very sick. He was holding himself together with the force to train Luke.
There’s also statements in a couple prequel era novels that imply that Yoda even then was slowing in combat as well as not having as much of a command over the force due to age.
Remember yoda would’ve been the equivalent of someone in their late 80’s by the time of the prequels.
i read somewhere vader could’ve upgraded his suit and made it more convenient for himself but having to struggle and be in pain everyday with his initial suit strengthened his connection to the dark side
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Anikin and Luke had 6 weeks of training combined, and people keep comparing them to 800+ years. Wow.
I was literally thinking about this battle a yesterday because I wanted to see who would win
It's wild how many casuals think Vader is weaker than anakin
I love how people add things that weren’t in the scripf
I don't always agree with you but this is spot on
There is ove extremely important aspect of Vader you are missing. The constant battles he had to fight. Take a fit guy in his prime, hitting a bag in a gym and a street guy fighting every day for survival. Most of the time, the street guy is going to win. Getting hit isn't natural. The more you fight and get hit, the more you can take. I'm not saying Vader would win, but it's closer than you think.
Wait… people are still repping the idea that Yoda beats Darth Vader?
The Novels confirm that if Luke didn’t stop Vader and Sidious then the Jedi would have been finished.
Lego Star Wars confirms that Suit Vader is stronger than Dooku who stalemates Yoda.
Star Wars Comics and Shows confirm that Darth Vader and Sidious are the most powerful individuals in the Galaxy.
Sidious toyed with Yoda and Yoda exiled himself when he realized this.
Suit Vader nearly CRUSHED Sidious when he got put in the suit and found out Padmé died.
The fact that Luke is the last hope of the Galaxy should tell you that Yoda was not on Vader’s Tier.
Obi Wan in the New Hope Movie is stronger than Yoda and has a precise mastery over the usage of The Force.
Sam Witwer had said that Obi Wan’s narrative was to be the strongest defense in the Galaxy. Look at how that worked out against Vader? Exactly.
Sidious heavily implied that he held back against Yoda in Order 66 saying he only uses the Lightsaber to spite and insult Jedi.
I can only potentially see Yoda beating Suited Vader in Pre-ANH Era before Vader’s powers begin reawakening where’s he’s stated stronger in Empire Strikes Back and stronger in Return Of The Jedi.
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You must really like the dark side. Yikes.
Facts Vader's power is not to be underestimated
yoda was clearly holding back against dooku, trying to turn him back o the light side. you can see in the fight how quickly dooku goes on the defensive. if he hadn't fled by using anakin and obi one as sacrifies he would have lost. ie if yoda didn't let dooku flee to save obi one and anakin.
This idea of Anakin losing potential after losing his limbs is ridiculous as if there's arelationship between midichlorian count and body mass. Yoda was barely 3ft tall and obscenely powerfull.
They did fight once, in an alternate universe comic. It was a reimagining of Empire Strikes Back. Vader kills Yoda in a duel. Not easily, but does win
The only reason why Yoda didn't go to Mustafar himself to stop Anakin is because he would have been sending Obi-Wan to his death to face and square off against Sidious. Even though Anakin had off the charts power when he finally fully connected with the dark side, he would have made fatal mistakes facing Yoda. Yoda had the clear advantage of centuries of knowledge in the force over Anakin. Yoda would have defeated him and finished him off. Probably would have cut off his head in a final blow. Especially after reviewing the files and seeing what Anakin had done in the Jedi Temple. Yoda knew Anakin was nobody to underestimate.
When Vader lost to Obi-wan on Mustafar, Vader lost his maximum potential in the force. There is a difference between potential and current power. It stands to reason that Vader would become more powerful the older and wiser he grew. However, his maximum power within the Force had been lessened.
Disney destroys both of them.
FACTS
Disney's fan fiction? XD
Actually, Yoda wins without even drawing his lightsaber...he uses the Force to shut of Vader's power supply to his suit! Vader suffocates and dies!
Yoda absorbs lightning but he doesn't use it since its a dark side force. He CAN counter it but that's only after absorbing it.
I think Yoda’s fast Ataru fighting style and the fact that he is probably the most experienced force user in the whole galaxy will make him win
When Vader wanted to hunt down Yoda, Palpatine told him that Yoda would have killed him as Anakin AND as Vader. Also, Sidious actually said Vader "will be" more powerful than them, thus, he wasn't quit there yet.
Yoda used the force to drive his light saber. His dualing was through the will of the force not his physical prowess.
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Vader got overall more powerful once he was in the suit, but Yoda would have had an easier time with him. and even on Mustafar, Yoda would have bent him over almost immediately
You know what, I think for once I’d like to see a fight on this channel that actually is close
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Palpatine didn't like using light sabers. He preferred to use the force.
Yoda can absorb anything the Emperor throws at him. So, it really comes down to Force use until exhaustion or a duel...
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Why tf does he say young sky walker is better then prime vadar he obviously doesnt know lore and comics darth vadar slain over hundreds of jedi just on a quest for 1 his old master accomplishing feats to make him in this topic at all because i would bever put yound anikan vs yoda any day he lost to obi wan who is not the best dueling jedis not even in the top five i would put asoka over obi wan
I agree yoda would beat anakin but anakin didn’t lose to Kenobi because of skill. Lucas made it clear anakin was above Kenobi in every way and was only behind mace and yoda by ROTS he lost due to his own arrogance and inner conflict against Kenobi
Please never say Vader was more on par than darth maul 😂 maul admitted he couldn’t deal with Vader alone and Vader was 80% of the Sidious peak power which was in ROTJ and both were more powerful than sidious was during ROTS
Obi wan is the best! He beat maul 3 times, beat vader twice, and grievous. I can admit hes not the strongest if he fought against his opponents in an octagon, but he felt like a master tactician. Using the terrain, and understanding his opponents. This makes him someone you can't sleep on
If Anakin got in touch with a good therapist earlier in life, he may have become the juggernaut that some dudes fantasize about. He could have become something. But he had the emotional IQ of the worst emo kid nightmare you could imagine. He would never become the equal of his potential because of childhood trauma.
Yoda, and the rest of the Jedi are hampered by hubris. They should have seen Palpatine moving in the force. However, they were high on their own supply.
Palpatine had probably planned on reducing Anakin to a fraction of his potential as a means of thwarting Plageuis' plans ultimately. Hes a big enough psycho to keep the suffering fool around as a supply to his own sadistic pleasure.
The Skywalkers bring balance to the force by being an instrument of decimating the numbers of the Jedi.
If Vader didn't get his limbs cut off and wasn't on a constant life support system. Maybe he would have a chance against the grandmaster.
Darth Vader's prime is when he is combined with Anakin in Ahsoka for me as he is there, he obliterates Yoda any time.
Yoda also has 900 years experience training Jedi and is also a Jedi Grandmaster.
Host: Anakin was suppose to have the most potential of anybody.
Grogu: Hold my lightsaber..... hey! Give that back, what do you expect me to fight with.
Vader is only a master as a star fighter
Which force will overcome the other-That's what to ponder the most about.
Anakin fully potential solos yoda
Yeah, DanCo really dropped the ball. In Canon, it was blatantly established that Vader's injuries amplified his power in the force, not hindered them. Vader was even stated to be the most powerful sith in the galaxy, with one of said statements even being attributed to Vader not even a decade after Episode 3. Yoda at his prime was still a drop in the ocean that was Vader's power. In Legends, although Vader lost potential, he still remained immensely powerful, with material blatantly stating that Vader became stronger following his defeat on Mustafar. Vader wins, mid diff.
yeah all his loss on mustafar did was lower his ultimate potential but he increased his power in the dark side and even with his lowered potential he was still the most dominant force in the galaxy under the Emperor for a long time
He also forgot that vader is 80% of the emporers peak not the emporer in RotS. The emporers peak is way higher than RotS and Yoda lost to that emporer so there is no way he'd beat Vader imo.
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@@orienmonterrosaIn Legends Yeah. But in Canon he did not lost any of his Potential. Sidious stated in the Canon Books that vader is limited because of his mind not because of his injuries.
Vader was said to drop to 80-85% of his potential. He was still in the top 5 even 3 most powerful SW characters ever
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Vader lost the ability to fire electricity without hands.
Darth Vader can lift literal planet while yoda can’t even lift a mountain
This is fundamentally wrong. You claimed that Vader lost much of his potential AND his power after he was put into the suit. That's incorrect. He simply lost most of his potential. Vader post-Mustafar became far more powerful than he was before he was burned. He simply could not ever reach anywhere near his full potential had that not happened.
How can you say that Vader is most powerful at the point when he didn't even know the Darkside yet. He was a Sith that had t even been through any of the things that gave him his strength in the darkside.
Yoda wins hands down without question he's got centuries of experience and faced many fighters in his time
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Vader never beat Obi-Wan in lightsaber combat. Obi-Wan sacrificed himself so that Luke and Leia could escape.
George already said obi wan threw the fight and obi wan was even stronger than vader in a new hope. My theory is he knew he could only defeat the emperor by becoming one with the force and guiding luke
There's a reason Sidious didn't want to see Yoda.
It's time for a" WHAT IF" Star wars series.
Your wrong on Vader on the prime. Vader eventually surpassed his old self.
Obiwan was about 10 years older then Anakin and would have been in his 50's in a New Hope. While I like Alec Guiness he was almost to old, it was more like he was playing a 70 or 80 year old.
In the Vader comics, Vader was at his maximum power, and the Emperor owned him at every turn. Read Vader 12 and you’ll know the Emperor true power.
The Jedi held him back on a lot of ways to help him understand and how to train and use his powers he was destined to get. As he turned he was feeling a power that he knew was powerful but at the same time he really didn't understand them yet, didn't know how to really use them or even know just how many things he was going to be able to do. That's because the Jedi between not trusting in him,fear, and I think even some jealousy. By this age they should have had him at the temple with Yoda,obi wan or at least another really powerful master to guide him through the learning of these unbelievable powers he was already near having at full potential. But no they chose to ignore him,not do the things he really needed to be the chosen one as they built him up since he was a kid. How do you not take the most Powerful of any Jedi to ever live,not just the Jedi but powerful then any sith also. How do you just ignore him and yet,make him be around, and alone with a Chancellor that none of you trust , how. The only thing that kept obi wan alive was the conflict Anakin was fighting inside himself the whole time they fought. If it wasn't,he would have killed obi wan pretty fast because one thing he did understand with the lightsaber and dueling. If he had killed obi wan,that would have pushed any other feelings for the Jedi out of his mind. If he then fought Yoda, Yoda would have had to flip and jump like crazy just to try and keep p from getting hit by the saber and that would tire him out fast and then he would be killed. It's sad how this whole story is but the Jedi made him turn more then anything else. All the things they pulled and done against him and the Jedi codes were terrible. Even his Master and father figure does a forbidden strike on him that leaves him without his arms and legs. Think about that,all the shit that they had done the last and most betrayal one could do,is a move that isn't allowed and forbidden is done to him. I'm sure Anakin and anyone else would rather have been killed then left that way and to make things worse. He has to feel the torture of being burned almost to death as he's being watched. Yeah it's pretty terrible if you really think about everything that actually went down with him.
...Battle Front 2, Vader always routes Yoda in hero v.s. hero battles. In cannon Yoda fought Sideous and Obi Wan fought Vader because they had to clean up the "messes" that their neglect and short shortsightedness created.
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Some great points, I feel the same yoda comes out on top, but then he will have regrets. They should do a what if series on things like this.
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Remember he retreated to that swamp Planet because he lost
plot armor. He had to lose otherwise the story would have been over.
facts i rewatched the movie and plot armor and plot straight up said " The Slaughter must go on " and straight up nerfed yoda abit just so he can retreat back to his home.
If Yoda faught Vader on Mustaffa, I think he might've been able to save him. Obi was too close to him. Yoda's a bit like his great, great, great granfher
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Vader never got as far in power as he could have been
Kinda wish to see more Jedi and sith use tudiminus honestly I have always found force fields really cool i think we saw some in the knights of the republic but idk
Anakin was no where near at his full potential in the mustafar duel
Please never say anakin is more powerful than yoda😂
Vader would be in Yoda's world and Yoda would return Vader to the force.
Yoda's arrogance would be his undoing.
Yoda was on the lever of Sidious and Geordge Lucas confirmed that Vader/Anakin was at the most powerfull (since he could not reach his full potential) at the 80% of the power of Sidious, so that means that Yoda was more powerfull then Vader/Anakin at his best ... Yoda > Vader/Anakin ... Yoda wins.
Sidious grew massively in power. Vader would bully yoda due to his much greater force power.
@@djb9267 hahahaha no
@@filipcesnjak2944 Why not?
@@djb9267 Sidious grew in power in the time of his resurection in legends and in canon, so in the original trilogy his powers did not grow that much in comparison to ROTH, so he was still at Yoda level (Yoda from ROTH), so thet means Vader was at his best still only 80% of Sidous (ROTH and original trilogy) and 80% of Yoda (ROTH) ... Yoda > Vader.
@@filipcesnjak2944 Palpatine's growth in power is actually massive, as he is above vader, who far surpassed Anakin's power, who was already stronger than yoda to begin with.
Why do you write "Roth" and not "rots"?
I think it would be possible for Vader to win...IF he was given a better suit. Palpatine deliberately made his suit limited. Also, vulnerable to force lightning. Great video though! Loved it
In Disney Canon, Darth Vader wins. He didn’t lose any force power after Mustafar, so he just continued growing in power. I’d say Yoda still has more skill in lightsaber duelling, but Canon Vader is so much more powerful in the force that he likely beats Yoda, especially when we consider his advantages in strength and durability.
However, in Legends, Yoda absolutely gigastomps Vader. ROTS Senate Yoda is already fast enough to speed blitz tf out of Vader, his advantage in duelling skill is even bigger than it is in Canon, and Yoda is easily more powerful in the force. In legends, Vader did become less powerful after ROTS, which forced him to adapt and change his fighting style a lot. Vader did become a better duellist and was way smarter than he is in ROTS, but he still had a lot of catching up to do after Mustafar. Still, yoda is more powerful by feats, is a much better duellist, and the speed gap is insane. ROTS Senate Yoda is fast enough to match (and arguably outpace) ROTS Post Order 66 Darth Sidious, who’s faster and more agile than ROTS Pre Order 66 Darth Sidious, who was fast enough to duel mace Windu at such insane speeds that ROTS Anakin Skywalker couldn’t even perceive him and mace (they appeared to be flickering in and out of existence from his PoV), and Anakin is faster and more agile than ROTJ Vader due to not having the heavy suit weighing him down. So Yoda blitzes tf out of him. And keep in mind that this is just ROTS Senate Yoda. Yoda continues to grow in power, skill, versatility, and knowledge after ROTS, till reaching his absolute peak in TESB. TESB Yoda handwaves Vader easily.
If you go by Disney canon then Vader is a better duelist than yoda since they made a statement that Vader is the best duelist of all time
And yeah in the EU Yoda beats him but if we go by Lucas canon I think Vader can win at least in the force but in saber combat he’ll lose if he doesn’t use the force to assist him. By ROTJ Vader definitely grew more powerful than yoda
@@tvvistedv3nom26I don’t go by baseless statements, I go by their actual demonstrated feats and abilities. Star Wars fans are perhaps the worst when it comes to vs debates cause all Star Wars fans do is cherry pick statements to form their arguments. I can easily give you canon statements that yoda is the best duelist in canon. But by feats and abilities, yoda has centuries of duelling training and refinement over Vader, mastered the seven forms to a greater degree, has trained better duellists, and has better feats against more skilled fighters. Canon Vader has struggled in lightsaber combat against foes vastly less skilled than yoda. So yeah I’d rather have yoda’s skill than have a baseless statement from some little sourcebook.
Lucas’s G-Canon is completely different from legends continuity. Lucas straight up confirmed this. In legends, yoda has better feats of power and has way more knowledge of the force
@@Wes_Bradley-Taubner Yeah, I just go by G canon.
@@tvvistedv3nom26I mean, the thing is, G-Canon, Disney Canon, and Legends are all basically different continuities with different power levels for each of the characters.
A might beat B in G-Canon and Legends, but not Disney Canon (Yoda vs Vader for example). A might beat B in Disney Canon and Legends, but not G-Canon (Old Ben Kenobi vs Qui Gon Jinn for example). It all depends on what versions of the characters being used in the vs battle. In a Legends battle like this one, G-Canon scaling isn’t relevant.