ETERNAL WEEKEND LIVE! BoshNRoll's Vintage and Legacy Feature Matches from EW with New Commentary MTG
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- Опубликовано: 23 июл 2024
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In this special release, the incredible @anzidmtg has shared the raw video files of my coverage feature matches from Eternal Weekend Pittsburgh 2023. I go back over these matches with fresh eyes and new commentary right from the horse's mouth. I'm the horse! There are 2 rounds of Vintage with Oath of Druids Combo, including the never-before-seen full match of my top 8 vs. PO Shops. Plus one round of Legacy with Sultai Beanstalk vs. Boros Initiative. Live play from Eternal Weekend! MTG
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0:00 Intro
0:37 Intro
3:14 Vintage Round 8, Oath vs. HollowVine
24:45 Vintage Top 8, Oath vs. PO Shops Combo
35:33 Noisy part, sorry
56:35 Legacy Round 9, Sultai Beans vs. Boros Initiative
1:18:03 Final Thoughts
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18:57 From the man who brought us "Island, Ponder, Keep", we now have "Mox Sapphire, Ancestral Recall, Mulligan". Amazing.
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE make more of these in the future. It is englightening to hear what is going through your head during the matches, decisions you take, etc
That judge ruling was brutal. Big props to your opponent with that professional level of sportsmanship. Props to you too for appealing the ruling. That's integrity befitting a high level competitor. Class acts all around. These things happen (and worse) at competitive events, everyone that’s grinded through them knows. Ggs! 🙌
58:00 tip for initiative players! you can print the undercity on a custom mouse mat, it's quite cheap and sturdy
This is the best overdub for an in-person game I have ever seen. Your narration is top-tier and makes up the difference in the shrouded information that in-person games has compared to mtgo games. Other high quality live game recorders don’t follow so closely and I get lost in the course of the game.
This is an amazing new content slice that you should consider going forward. It is great seeing you play in person to show just another aspect of your mastery in the game. Great, great, great content.
I'd like to second this and recommend doing some more coverage like this for other people's games. You may not have the amount of insight since it won't be your games, but I'd enjoy watching your coverage anyway, I'm sure.
Also props for appealing that judge call to try to make it more fair than how it ended up turning out. Bummer that such as mall mistake can be a big difference. Would have been nice to see that game finished normally.
You may want to mention something about "NEW" or "UNSEEN" EW matches in the title - I almost didn't click because I went "oh, I watched EW as it happened, I've already seen all these matches" 💕
the good clickbait
It's so nice to see paper eternal magic. I've only had a chance to play paper vintage a couple of times and seeing these cards in play warms my heart.
I’m a regular viewer of your channel and love all the eternal format stuff. I like the stability of your content in its regularity of themes and appearance. That said, I’ve really liked the fact the you’ve tried some alternative occasional features (like deep dives, special guests, and cube) and this is no exception. I’d say keep doing what you’re good at but that includes adding in something a bit different from time to time.
Good stuff. Thanks Bosh. And shoutout to Anzi D as well.
You covered the whole judge ruling before on Eternal Glory and on here so while its not new, it does warrant repeating. That interaction with the fetch/Thalia shows that you're a class act and is good advice for players new to paper. Be honest with the judge, communicate what happened, don't spin a narrative, just say things from your perspective. And ofc the appeal to head judge on your opp's behalf was good sportsmanship.
I understand that the information of the second card was hidden to the opponent, but what it was would have theoretically been caught with the hand cam so it was identifiable. I know the logistics are hard, but I think revealing that card with the hand cam, then randomizing the deck and stacking it appropriately, then backing all the way up to tapped misty in play, would have been a better solution than not backing up at all.
@@nate1004 While that makes sense, it's generally better to have the same set of rules for feature matches and non-feature matches. In unrecorded games, what you described isn't an option. So for the sake of the consistency of rules across all players, judges want to treat feature matches as if the game is not being recorded whenever possible.
@@dannydubs86i can understand that.
@@dannydubs86I think there is a flaw in that argument because imo you'll always have better conditions for games that are recorded. The judges seem more aware and I guess that if it would have been the decider in the final they would've used the footage to rectify the situation. Same goes for cheating where you get a lot safer game by being on cam. It's not like someone would get away with cheating on cam because he should be treated as if the footage didn't exist. So mistakes should be resolved with the footage if posible.
@@Stop_using_stupid_sources there's a difference for cheating vs play mistakes.
Play mistakes happen naturally and will be a part of a judges interactions with the players as the game goes on.
Cheating is intentional, and proof of cheating of any kind is enough to issue the DQ
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woah your top 8 opponent works at one my local shops! great content as always love seeing this stuff!
This is a fascinating perspective, thanks for showing it off!
Love the video and commentary - I listen, not watch so getting the play by play is awesome.
I'm glad you mentioned shuffling at [9:50]. I was counting and you shuffled 12 times (which is greater than the 7 point something needed to randomize a deck!).
this was a lot of fun and very interesting to watch, to me it adds a lot! I hope others agree with me ^.^
Love this!!! Thank you for making me spend a lot of money on a legacy deck
What deck did you spend all that money on?
I kinda liked you commenting over the ambiant sounds of the tournament; gave it a “live” feel !
yeah it felt like actual tournament commentary it was really cool
I really like these types of videos! thank you Bosh for the great information!
This was very fun to watch. Thanks for your commentary I always wanted to see your paper legacy and vintage gameplay!
Appreciate the fun Golden Hind elk overlay.
Oliver in the first match is a local near me and I see him at lots of Legacy tournaments. Great guy, and great player. He was in the finals of Legacy for original art at MC Chicago also.
That was awesome ! Keep it coming !
I remember tuning in pretty late to the Vintage top 8, and I told my pokemon-playing friend in the US (I'm in UK) who doesn't play magic to tune in, cause he likes seeing old expensive things get played with.
He took one look at Anthony Valentine and exclaimed that he ran the shop he plays at.
Small world
I do like this content more than what you normally do.
For a long long time (since 2009) I don't play high level competitive magic and this videos are a reminder of all the preparation that we pass, is all worth it but still not enough in the end of the day.
Love your insight of everything and thank you.
Absolutely loved this video! it’s been such a long time since I’ve seen some good live mtg gameplay
Really enjoy this kind of content. Thanks Bosh!
This is a refreshing perspective when seeing paper Magic is mostly a thing that is reserved for the highest levels of competition, and most of those games nowadays are played on Arena (unless older formats, then you'd have to be in person to see the games). I hope to see more of videos like this especially when the commentary helps see the wisdom you have just by watching your own games.
Awesome to see paper content 🙌
Very cool content!! Loved these
more of this please. (thumbsUp)
As much of a bummer that issue in legacy with the judge call was, I appreciate getting to see all the explanations and reasonings during it on cam.
Really enjoyed this!
Ooooo this is exciting!
Good on you for appealing that last ruling!
Loved this!!
That background sound actually made the video better. It gives ambiance and makes it look like you are commentating live.
This is really cool to see! I understand it’s not possible to do this that often, but this type of content will always be welcome
For the pile shuffling thing, I've heard from PTCG competitor AzulGG the term pile counting to try and emphasize the fact that you aren't actually shuffling the deck
The judge call at the end was my friend and the ruling makes sense. We thought that it was strange how it played out considering the brainstormed card could be either a good card you want to keep or a card you want to shuffle. Considering you put a fetch land on top to fetch we can assume you want to fetch a bad card away. This means you want to fetch to get a different card on top most likely. The fact that the ruling was in Bosh’s favor seemed strange in that context. You could say I’m biased because he is my friend but it does seem weird and not correct in the way it was ruled.
Yeah it sucked. There is a necessary application of consistent policy that occasionally ends up benefitting someone in a way that is annoying, but I promise it's better big picture than letting random judges affect game states based on their strategic understanding of what's going on.
Bro. I love this shit.
awesome. liked this
It's neat seeing inside your study and seeing all the things around the room.
Is the top frame in the background all mountains?
The 3 framed posters on the back wall are the Beta print run
@@BoshNRolldamn
this was cool
Ah, the ambient hum of a big tournament. Feels like home.
Bryan you played so hard during that tournament. Mighty proud of your performance!
This was a nice addition. Thanks to Anuraag for the video
Big fan of that basic island
Absolutely amazing video. Would be great to see more of "Brian commentates Brian" ;-)
das good. Please more.
BoshNRoll playing paper Magic against ThrabenU would be peak RUclips
Please try Isidious roots with Moss-Pit Skeleton. When you put counters on your plants the skeleton then leaves your graveyard to the top of your library.
Nice 😮❤
Peep that sealed Tempest box in the background 👀
that sealed tempest box is too lovely
Wholesome fist bump after that first match
Live play videos are great. Idk how feasible it would be to get a setup similar to 90sMTG and record legacy matches.
Oliver is the homie, he's been putting up lots of great finishes. more power to him.
This was fascinating - as much for 'it's a 1/1 skeleton with a dice on it because we can't use our own tokens' as everything else. Thanks for sharing it, Brian, and don't worry about the background noise in that one bit. I could still follow the action and your commentary.
I don't play as much Magic as you, let alone competitive Magic, but that judge ruling took me all the way back to the Planar Chaos prerelease where I illegally played Fury Charm on my Calciderm, allowing it to trample in for the win. My opponent, Dave (sorry Dave), scooped, shuffling up his cards, then we realised my mistake and called a judge (sorry Ioan). Unfortunately, with everything shuffled up and Dave not being sure what was in his hand, there was no way to fix the game state (really sorry Dave). I really wish I hadn't won that game. I still feel guilty about it the best part of 20 years later.
So - again, speaking as someone who doesn't play any competitive Magic, who was not in your exact situation etc. - I guess I'm curious, why play the Fatal Push after getting a ruling you disagree with? Isn't that kind of a feelbad move for you, never mind your opponent?
Apologies if you've discussed your decision to play the Push on Eternal Glory. You can say so and I'll go listen. And genuinely I'm not having a go. Is it as simple as 'two wrongs don't make a right'? Or showing you properly accept the ruling?
It's a high-level competition, and everyone is expected to play to the best of their ability to win. At an FNM or a pre-release event, the prize is a stack of boosters and maybe a promo from the newest set. I'm not trying to diminish how important or awesome smaller events are, but there is a completely different decorum and etiquette when it comes to competitive rules enforcement level events. I think bosh maintained his integrity by appealing the ruling and trying his best to decline any advantage because of his mistake. But once the final ruling was made despite his best efforts to change it, he (and his opponent) are still expected to play to win to the best of their ability.
Accidentally cheating at Pre-releases feels terrible when you realize what you did, even though it's low stakes and it's so easy to do because people are seeing cards for the first time. During a Shadows Over Innistrad 2HG game, my teammate had The Gitrog Monster, and we drew some extra cards because we didn't realize it says "one or more lands" instead of triggering separately for each one. And during War of the Spark I completely read it wrong and thought the -3 let you return an artifact, creature, or enchantment to your hand FROM YOUR GRAVEYARD. I felt extra bad about that one 'cause how tf did I come with that?
@BoshNRoll @22:52 did you realize you sent a Show and Tell off Atraxa to the graveyard insteak of your hand? Just a note for the future
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This was very cool! I understand if you can’t produce more of paper content, but it would be great if you can do a similar thing for the next tournament where your feature matches don’t actually hit coverage.
Do you have link for full legacy coverage?
The background noise was kinda a vibe tho. I was into it.
What are those display cases in the background? Might be a nice gift for someone.
ggs❤
What did the judge rule had to happen? Did the push have to happen or did you choose to do that after they forced the fetchland play to fully happen?
The fetch happened, play on from there
bosh pack smoke em if you got em
At 32:58, was the altraxa not taken on purpose to leave as another oath hit, or forgotten due to trying to grab two artifacts
Left intentionally
Here’s the important question for you Bosh: Do you always choose the retro frames when available? To me the land frames are too dark for the retro enemy fetchlands and clash with the original frame Onslaught fetches.
for some reason it makes me extremely nervous to see tens of thousands of dollars worth of cards being shuffled. But what an amazing collection.
at 59:00 cant you target the seasoned dungeoneer with fatal push, and then daze it and pay. The land you pick up triggers revolt, and since fatal push doesn't have a targeting restriction you don't need revolt when casting it, only when it resolves?
That is a legal play if you value Bowmaster in play over Daze in hand.
@@BoshNRoll just a heads up, your not allowed to try to give an opponent a token with the ring trigger, you have no legal target and your aware of the trigger, i would say that is intentionally trying to resolve an illegal trigger for advantage which is grounds for a dq. Basically you can't miss a ring trigger unless you aknowledge it, but because they haven't missed it. You have no legal target and you can't try to make an illegal target to angel shoot like that. I would almost instantly dq the player with that explanation.
basically, if it was there trigger, and it said target player created a token and they made a token, you can 100% say they missed the trigger then proceede to oath. but because it's your trigger and you've illegally targetted them while they had protection without aknowledgement of the trigger being missed you're just simply cheating. I know it's not intentionally cheating but it isn't allowed.
@Boshnroll i know this "might" seem like a grey area, where your just trying to demonstrate a miss trigger, but because the trigger simply hasn't been missed. You simply have no valid target for your orchard. At the time of triggering it, things like ring and storm don't have to be verbalized to not be missed. It would be similar to you with your own chalice on 1 trying to resolve a bolt through it, by hoping your opponent doesn't notice your chalice on 1.
that said if your opponent then asks to make a token from orchard, 100% freel feel to call a judge and argue they've missed the trigger, that is alot more defensible. and you're probably right.
I have to assume that while the tournament is running that all this footage is not available -- but I wonder if it _was_ available would it be plausible or reasonable to incorporate it to confirm which card was under the misty and reverse the game state accurately?
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Hello!
I haven't been a judge for like 20 years. Is this a pretty normal ruling for such a situation today? (Basically "We can't guarantee to restore an equivalent game state, so everything you announced happens.") I would have thought that putting the Sea into play tapped and being unable to play the Fatal Push would be a more likely ruling.
Here, have a comment. I have extras.
What is the point of putting the dice on top of deck game 2 in the vintage match?
To remind myself of something before my draw step
That actually makes a lot of sense and something I should do if I have actions to take before a draw step
Could you not just decline to cast the fatal push that turn if you were unhappy with the advantage?
The ruling is that the fetch resolved and play on. I don’t know if I have a revolt enabler next turn. It’s more complicated than that.
Here’s my question… at GP San Antonio, which I consider to be high stakes as well, I accidentally spilled 3 of an opponents cards while shuffling his deck before round one. I received a warning. To “make it right” I showed him three random cards from my deck bc I felt so bad. Why didn’t you remedy the situation by not casting the fatal push to make things fair? It seems like the right thing to do. I’m not hating…I’m just curious. I’d feel so bad that I can’t help but think that’s the proper thing to do.
Because the ruling had already resolved my fetch which complicated getting revolt. It’s not that easy. And nobody is required to add vigilante rulings on top of the head judge’s in an event.
couldn't you have muted the footageduring the noisy part? (not trying to sound entitled sorry)
If it were that easy, I would have done it.
@@BoshNRollyeah i figured great video :)
The thing with trying to hand your opponent a spirit to then call a missed trigger looks like angle shooting from the outside. But rule are rules.
However, would it work both ways for you?
So if we assume you play a one ring and for some reason you dont want the protection, can you just not announce the trigger? That would sound fair to me if it works both ways.
I mean just talking real, if one player plays a the one ring in a top8 vintage situation, both players absolutely know that it gives pro everything on etb. The "handing him a spirit" part as i understand it only serves as evidence he didnt announce a trigger. But the event that causes him not to have pro-everything is not announcing the trigger, right? The spirit is only serving as evidence for it?
So if he intentionally not announces a trigger if its benefitial to him, is that valid? Because intention is subjective but the rule seem to allow this move? And him not announcing the trigger (wether intentional or not) cn be proven on video or by the judges, right?
Its a crazy world to me :D
Forgetting a mandatory trigger allows the opponent to decide if they want it to happen or not.
“Forgetting” a mandatory trigger on your card because it’s currently not beneficial to you is cheating.
It’s weird sorcery from the outside, but this is basic trigger policy from the Infraction Procedure Guide, which is a document competitive players should be familiar with.
@@BoshNRoll not argueing about the rules, they are generally great^^
Though im generally a friend of just accepting things that are obvious to everyone. However this obviously cant be a rule, the rule must be strict. Translating this to other sports/games i played it would possibly or even probably considered bad sportsmenship to capitalize on a formal error instead of just going „mate you forgot to announce the trigger, we‘re good“ if you clearly caught it. But thats all fair game if thats common practice by everyone.
I dont get the part of the „handing of the spirit“ though.
If the rules are as strict, couldnt you just go „you did not announce the trigger, you therefore have no protection“? Like after a switching of phases?
Your winning the cap battle in round 1 anyway. Those are the micro-advantages that get your the wins