Uncancelled History with Douglas Murray | EP. 03 Thomas Jefferson
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- Опубликовано: 13 сен 2024
- Jean Yarbrough joins Douglas Murray on this episode to discuss Thomas Jefferson’s life and legacy. They talk about the Declaration of Independence, his presidency, and the various controversies that have surrounded him. Should Thomas Jefferson stay cancelled?
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Douglas Murray. I am a black Jamaican htistian who admire you to no end. The more I learn of and from you. Thanks for being a clear and courageous voice in these precarious times. You are one of the great voices of our times. Thomas Sowell, Walter Williams, Jordan Peterson also are among those who along with you should be required reading in high school and colleges. Parents should start their children on your books in the home as prep for education. Thank you. Am blessed to see you constantly in media. Stay healthy and safe.
Just excellent! It’s arrogant to judge those who came before us, by the standards of our own time. I will always admire Thomas Jefferson and hold him in the highest esteem.
God forbid the lens of time be reversed, that our ancestors might judge us. They would probably stop having sex.
I very much agree with this! As Sir Isaac Newton wrote, "If I have seen further it is because I stand on the shoulders of giants." We can see farther than Jefferson and Washington and Adams because we are beneficiaries of centuries of mistakes and successes, made by the giants that they are. Those who seek to cancel these great men do so because they cannot see beyond their own noses, turned up to prevent them from smelling their own fetid breath.
@@stevenbergom3415 Well said!
I as well
One of the things that Jefferson did was to learn both Hebrew and Arabic, he wanted to know why so many people, primarily Newton had been fascinated with Torah when he figured out there was a code within the language that no other religious writing had this intrigued Newton more than any other scientific theory. The reason he learnt Arabic was to study the Quran and his findings were earth shattering then as now. When he said that Islam wasn't compatible with the kind of government that was being crafted in the colonies. He wasn't trying to be just a hater of Islam but somebody who used not only the actual written verses and things that were written by scholars who at the time of his studies he had to now what was the reality behind the words.
I really appreciate how Dr Yarbrough sticks to the facts, what we know for certain from historical record, from DNA, but then places everything in historical context...you know, like a historian.
She and Mr. Murray completely, totally ignore mentioning the fact that "ALL" Americans does not include Blacks, slaves, women, and the working man.
@@marklee1960 ur fat
Amazing how some people just keep spewing their ignorance.
Hearing facts in this day and age is so uplifting.
Thank you Mr. Murray and Prof. Yarbrough. This is one of my favorite conversations to date.
Douglas these interviews are tremendous.
TJ still raped his slaves though.
Thanks
Thank you. EXCELLENT!
This was absolutely amazing! Thank you so much for not allowing the great founders to be lost in history. There may be social and humanities issues in question, but that is no reason to condemn everything that he ever did and deny his place in our past.
I dislike him for what he did to the country and indeed his role in independence but you have got to give him the Barbary Wars.
Touché
@@khalidalali186 Where ignorance is bliss!
@@johnnotrealname8168troll. And a dumb one as well.
I periodically look for Douglas on RUclips & am delighted to have found this channel. Thoughtful & informative.
Bravo! Thomas Jefferson was an incredibly visionary human being and his contributions to humanity are being lost in the re-writing of history by those who would destroy him to support their own agenda.
can you imagine his reaction if he could see what's happening today?
Thank you, Douglas Murray for hosting this series, absolutely necessary and fascinating to revisit our history.
He's a really good representative of the LGBTQ+ community.
Thank you to Douglas and Professor Yarbrough for a very balanced and informative discussion.
Is it balanced...or is it a love fest lol
Is this only a conversation between conservative thinking people.
He's a really good representative of the LGBTQ+ community.
@@joshuataylor3550 unfortunately you can keep that information to yourself because I want nothing to do with that alphabet soup community. Because they are full of beens beens get it.
This is fascinating and explains why I’m up til 4:30 am. It’s also much needed now with all the cancel culture. I frequently put Douglas Murray in RUclips search to watch anything new he has. I had never even heard of him until this horrible Oct 7 attack on Israel.
I’ve always been quite liberal, seeing it as pro humanity but now shocked to see it has been liberals/democrats who are against Israel immediately 🎉🎉after the massacre, even before Israel started to fight back.
I’m listening to information from Mr. Murray and other more conservative people.
I support Israel 100% and I am very worried about the loss of free speech this awful, priggish cancel culture censorship brings. I have really come to understand Jordan Peterson. I didn’t get him on this issue at first.
I’m 71 and remember my parents, all the adults, right after Dad got home from Battle of the Bulge. Freedom was so treasured then and I thought United States was always going to help protect Israel.
Im 45 but to see him referred to as "more conservative" is so odd to me. People have completely bastardized the word liberal & it drives me nuts. He is around my same age & says just about everything Ive thought/said for years & like myself Douglas is a traditional actual moderate common sense liberal, not what many ppl consider to be "liberal" nowdays. These neo-liberals are all anti-liberal. No actual liberal would nominate themselves as the dictator of what is "hate speech" (and as these neo-liberals are nowdays be so completely off base, absolutely wrong about what they deem as that). No actual liberal would be supporting anyone other than Israel, nor would they be projecting everything the other side actually is onto Israel. To say they are ill informed is a massive oversimplified understatement & some of them arent interested in the facts they're deliberate in their intentions of demonizing Isr. due to their background & upbringing (and a portion of that group having spent time "training" in Iran). And yes, seems the only actual "free speech" allowed nowdays by the media & even here on YT is from all the above, not ppl attempting to get the facts out there (or it can be said in a non-monetized video, but cant be posted as a comment or it'll be deleted
@@kristiskinner8542 yes, Kristi, I agree with you. Douglas is moderate liberal. These new “liberals” are anti, very fascist leaning. .
Thank you Mr. Murray and Professor Yarbrough for this fascinating discussion.
He's a really good representative of the LGBTQ+ community.
"He was a dabbler in seeds.". That's one way to say it. 🤣🤣🤣. Seriously though, these interviews are absolutely amazing! I adore them! Thank you so much Mr Murray and all of your wonderful guests!
Well, at least his younger brother was. You know, the one who hung out with the slaves at night.
Under any measure, Jefferson was a consequential individual. He had many flaws, but his contributions to the advancement of freedom, representative government and promotion of universal rights cannot be explained away or discounted.
He's a net positive...he's got a green ledger....but the massive red should not be dismissed
@@jds614 - Have no fear. We've been beaten over the head with Thomas Jefferson's foibles!
@@foxtrotjulietbravo5536😊😊 buffoon
@@jds614 - Correction: he has some tiny bits of red on his ledger. A few drops, that’s all.
Jefferson is the most important of all of our founding fathers (and yes, ALL of them are important). Without him, our country might not exist today... or not in its current form. For me, he's irreplaceable. Virtually all historians know this to be true, so it's deeply saddening that so few of them are willing to say so out loud.
I'm afraid Washington is the most important...if you are going to rank them,.
“The Victorians humanized their heroes, revealed their private vices without denying their public virtues. The new biographers reveal their vices (or more often follies) to dishonor them- to make anti-heroes of them.” -Gertrude Himmelfarb
Gertrude is full of it
Seems correct to me
@@cliveklg7739
Knowledge and wisdom?
@@gabrielsyme4180 nah just bullshit
She was a tremendous loss for America, and probably, the entire world. I’m fortunate to have met her once, as an 18 year old Arab in 2006. I’m glad she got to live such a wondrous life, until the age of 97 no less. Nonetheless, can’t believe it’s been 3 years already.
May she RIP.
Back in 1976-77, when I was still living in the Soviet Union, I read a review about some book about American Revolution that had just came out in the US. While the review (in the Soviet paper!) was overall positive, it criticized the book for unfairness:
"Thomas Jefferson became famous because he wrote the Declaration of Independence, not because he had a black lover."
That was in a Soviet paper!
Wow and bump.
Kek no way
Douglas Murray I really admire you. You are a remarkably intelligent, articulate gentleman of great distinction. And your guest in this program, Jean Yarborough (sp?) is a brilliant, articulate spokesperson for Jefferson.
Douglas, this series of interviews is wonderful and a revelation to two of my four adult children. Thank you
Love “Uncancelled History” such an appropriate title in todays toxic culture. Thankyou Douglas Murray for bringing much illumination into the room
😂 I dont like the title.
Is it a little lazy?
I would have liked a more alluring title for those who like to cancel people. I dont need to watch these talks. Those that do need to watch them to become more educated around the history, will probably see the title and watch something else.
Something like "Douglas's Dastardly Dead People" would get more views 🤔
Does he discuss any women in the series or is it all white men?
Appreciate these Uncanceled History interviews.
Glad to know that there are professors like Prof. Yarbrough still teaching students.
Thank you, Douglas, for finding a watchable direct way to show the “un recognized “ side of these great influencers. . . So to speak 😄
Good adventure for your work in this
series 🙋🏻♀️
He's been recongnised for centuries until the last 5 years when people pointed out that he raped his slaves as well. Get over it.
Thank you for doing this series. So refreshing to get history outside of the approved realm of Twitter historians.
Thank you Mr. Douglas Murray for this, and your wonderful books. My wife and I admire you and your writing immensely.
You give us some hope. Kindest regards, Mike
He's a really good representative of the LGBTQ+ community.
@@joshuataylor3550He absolutely hates that notion - LGBTQI+ community - by the way. See one of his interviews with Piers Morgan. He detests the whole identitarian movement, and reserves the right to be an individual who happens to be gay.
This is the most amazing series I’ve seen in a long time. Thank you so much!
This was just an stunning interview. What a great blessing to have this series!
These are exactly the kinds of discussions we need these days. Who knew Douglas Murray had a talent for asking questions as well?
And that accent 😍. A British scholar discussing a founding father 👨
Douglas is journalist and has conducted a number of interviews on video.
He's a really good representative of the LGBTQ+ community.
@@joshuataylor3550
Yes, because it’s not his identity and he doesn’t use it to elevate his status.
@@joshuataylor3550ok..got it!
Where as this woman been my entire life !! Sublime and thorough assessment of complicated and controversial topics. Best I've seen
I'm honored just to hear your educated perspective.
Insightful, honest and very much relatable and hugely profound. Thank you, Douglas Murray and Dr. Jean
Douglas, fantastic work. The world is a better place for you being in it and speaking out against so much of the nonsense of today. Thank you for these uncanceled history episodes.
Thank you for making clear that we don't actually have proof that Jefferson had intimate relationships with his slaves. And that it could have easily been his brother with the same male X chromosome. This was an awesome interview. Thank you
Douglas you are a diamond,look forward to your talks. Regards.
Great idea for this series!! There is an unending amount of subjects Douglas we desperately need to combat the perversion of woke narrative. Accurate history is the best weapon to rectify the insanity which has infected: politics, culture, and education in the West. Can't wait for the next program!
What a brilliant conversation! Thank you Jean and Douglas.
If you compare Jefferson's conduct to Franklin's conduct in Paris Jefferson would come out the more moral statesman
Jefferson was a slave owning, slave raping, always in debt, military service dodger and political criminal. None of the Dec of Independence was original. Not our best "founder".
What a pleasure it is to listen to this series.
Absolutely priceless.
Thank you Douglas!
He's a really good representative of the LGBTQ+ community.
More uncancelled history, please!!!!!!
A multitude of new(to me) and interesting perspectives. Very well done.
Great discussion!! I just discovered this show and plan to watch every episode. But I did start with this one because Thomas Jefferson is my favorite. I hope you plan to do one on Thomas Paine as well. 😁
Also, I believe the quote you were thinking of regarding slaves was: “No body wishes more than I do to see such proofs as you exhibit, that nature has given to our black brethren, talents equal to those of the other colors of men, and that the appearance of a want of them is owing merely to the degraded condition of their existence, both in Africa & America.” ―Thomas Jefferson
Thank you so much for this entire series, but especially for this one.
Thank you Douglas for this amazing and insightful series.
What a fantastic series. I wish I could give it 10 thumbs-up.
Excellent! Thank you Douglas.
Absolutely these interviews are tremendous enjoyable and interesting.
I actually think Jefferson's reputation has gotten better over the years, thankfully. Great video
I would love to see you interview David Starkey in the future
Such a great series. Thank you. I’m so happy to have found it.
Grateful for this channel.
An absorbing interview, thoughtful, and illuminating. What is clear is Jefferson's visionary genius, he also invented an early copying machine...For a man of his time he was thinking ahead of most of his peers and they were not intellectual pygmies. It's sad that politics has to be led by the stupid and shrill and not the reasonable who can offer measured responses to the manufactured issues of our time
The greatest influence on Jefferson would have been the writings and ideas promoted by Thomas Paine. The basic ideas were published in Paine’s book “Common Sense” read by hundreds of thousands of colonial citizens about the rights of freedom. He was a key founder of the age of reason and the Enlightenment. George Washington helped bring Paine to America from England where these ideas were evolving.
Paine is hugely underrated in America......pity
I love these videos Douglas keep it up!
He's a really good representative of the LGBTQ+ community.
Genuinely love this segment. Keep it coming Douglas!!!
Another wow episode of uncensored history.
Thank you
Great interview! I've learned so much in the short time I have discovered Mr. Murray. Jean Yarbrough is a trove of information.
Thanks for explaining that Jefferson's fatherhood of Heminges' children is by no means proven. I didn't know that because the idea that he was definitely the father has been so widely reported, including in a feature film
Yet another balanced and enlightening look at history, thank you Douglas.
He's a really good representative of the LGBTQ+ community.
@joshuataylor3550 no one cares Simpleton
Thank you for the focus on essential history. The gratitude necessary to live up to our privileges.
Hollywood is not history, she is an epic historian.
- He does not stand for ‘our’ ‘values’ !😡😡😡
- well he is one of reasons we have values and we have ‘our’🤯
This was so good
I really like the episodes of “Uncancelled History”. We see a lot of this in Germany as well. Schools and Streets are getting new names, Books are getting changed - because the author didn’t have the same morals that we have today. I don’t understand this blaming and judging of people who sometimes lived thousands of years ago and naturally were children of their time. We ought to be careful not to destroy our very own roots.
I just discovered this series. So far only watched the Thomas Jefferson one; I have visited Monticello many times, both pre & post dna & saw 1st hand how the interpretations have changed.
So glad I found this channel. I love having something educational and thought provoking to listen to while I sew.
This is a great series. Great interview.
I'd love to see discussions on explorers such as James Cook.
Awesome series. Thanks!
I appreciate these so very much!!! I hope you continue this series.Thanks !!!
Fabulous. Thank you so much.
Douglas, thank you for bringing America’s finest to our attention. Jean Yarbrough is heaven class!
I’ve never been great on the fiddle, but like to think I can play the saxophone
I’m looking forward to digesting American Virtues: Thomas Jefferson on the Character of a Free People (Kansas, 1998
Minor clarification: Jefferson went to France after American won its Independence and was in France during the French Revolution. America declared and won its Independence first, which the French monarchy supported.
Douglas your content has to be getting suppressed- George Washington,Lincoln, now this one. It’s insanely well done and amazing. As someone who never went to college and worked in the trades, I never got access to such deep knowledge. It’s always bullet points when it comes to history.
Douglas, in case you read this, I would very much like to recommend a person for you to speak to (though perhaps quite unrelated to the "uncancelled history" theme). He is one of the most principled and clear-thinking people I know of and he is a libertarian. His name is Erik Voorhees. I would be very curious to see you guys interact and discuss the proper role of government and the moral, as well as the pragmatic arguments involved.
Cheers
Subbed. I look forward to many more of these interviews.
If only we were more appreciative of where we come from.
Ronald Reagan once during a debate stated to his opponent, “you know so much that isn’t so.”
If he only knew…
Today, generations have grown up from preschool to college indoctrinated with so much that isn’t so. And the worst part is, our ‘best and brightest’, elite educators from the best institutions in the world, Harvard, Yale, etc. are the ones willfully and arrogantly misinforming the American citizenry. All so they can advance their odious ideologies.
These universities were formed as divinity schools to teach the emerging American identity piety, godliness, morality, in the doing becoming better citizens which intern would lead to a more stable and prosperous nation.
Instead they use the position and authority their history has garnered them to bring the nation down into base ignorance.
If we don’t reverse their orthodoxy of mendacity, I fear an East wind will cometh.
Was this before or after his brain was mush while selling weapons to terrorists and ignoring aids for nearly 6 years.
That b list co-star to a monkey and literal racist (see Nixon tapes with "monkey"comment of African delegation) was always a clown and a dullard
Set america on such a horrible path with his voodoo economics that keeps getting tried and crashing the economy (see his vice President's son copying his nonsense)
@@jds614 This is an utterly foolish comment. You either know nothing about what you speak or you're lying. Either way please go plat your pigeon chess elsewhere.
Another brilliant interview! Tnx Douglas!
He's a really good representative of the LGBTQ+ community.
Thank you, Douglas. I can't believe we live in a world where this sort of common knowledge, for anyone who has ever spent time in the History section of a public library, *is* canceled.
He's a really good representative of the LGBTQ+ community.
Excellent content.
Great to see Douglas Murray doing this work. I think of Victor Davis Hanson as s modern day Jefferson.
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Thank you for NOT INTERRUPTING
Thank you so much for this series ❤
The beauty of Jefferson's vision.
Interesting an informative but I wish they covered the Barbary wars.
I find it incredible that at this point in time it's necessary to uncancell Thomas Jefferson.
Wonderful
Brilliant
You forget that the Republic of Venice was still in existence and had for centuries. Jefferson was also influenced politically by the quasi-democracy of the early medieval Scandinavians (Vikings) and the Iroquois Confederacy.
Best thing on yt. Thank you Mr. Murray
The idea of slaves or no slaves caused a civil war the country was brand new and needed to focus on our common interest rather than starting a division in this new nation
Nice use of my time. Excellent presentation mature great series. I’m hooked on it now. People really forget he was acting, living in the 1700’s 1800’s not 2023 mind set. I learned the smart ones started to move toward it, nothing is done overnight (again 1800’s) be practical. Shows you how far people empathize with the knowledge of what it was like living back then. Narrow minded is what we used to call it. How did Europe magically disappear when we talk about slavery? Why do they get a pass? Look at colonialism, it’s a different word for slavery but in the Macro view. Well show enjoyed it.
Durning that time, I did not follow politics but I did start to notice Professional Victimhood became mainstream and I remember thinking politics is getting infectiously dirty. At that time, I asked people who they voted for & why. I was discouraged when I heard many of the answers. Mostly from women, 'he is so handsome." And men were voting like it was a football game. They wanted to vote for the winning team. For the people i loved I decided to start researching political history and tried to decern the truth from the propaganda for elections. Another discouragement was how politicians and candidates are allowed to lie and people still vote for them. Then I started digging into election crimes to learn how much of that there really was. Thankfully I had an elderly gentlemen as a mentor that worked to save (yes save) Oklahoma elections. But the election issue is another subject so I won't go further on it here.
Fellow Okie here. 👋🏼
These are brilliant Douglas.
Lincoln: praises Jefferson for the first two paragraphs. Ignores the actual Declaratory one declaring the States free and independent of one another and capable unilaterally of doing anything they want.
Which led to the drafting of the US Constitution eleven years later.
Please, have on Victor Davis Hanson!
This has been a great series for my fellow Virginians.
"The mobs of the great cities add just so much to the support of pure government as sores do to the strength of the human body. It is the manners and spirit of a people which preserve a republic in vigor. A degeneracy in these is a canker which soon eats to the heart of its laws and constitution." - Thomas Jefferson
And that's exactly where we are now.
20:39 But his original words “sacred and undeniable” truths were themselves replaced by Franklin’s words, “self evident” truths.
Sometimes committees do work.
39:00 Jefferson was within his constitutional powers to purchase the treaty. It’s not like he just whipped out the checkbook and payed for it.
He negotiated a treaty with the French for the purchase which presidents can do and sent it to the Senate which ratified it.
George Will noted that Jefferson was the man on the millennium, meaning the last one. It's hard to dispute that in the historical context.