Uncancelled History with Douglas Murray | EP. 05 Winston Churchill
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- Опубликовано: 19 дек 2022
- Andrew Roberts joins Douglas Murray on this episode to discuss Winston Churchill. The two discuss the soldier, writer and prime minister in detail, leaving nothing off limits. Should the British Bulldog stay cancelled?
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As a black Churchillian I would like my left leaning brothers and sisters that without the courage of this great man most of you would not be alive today. This man helped destroy the worst racist machine ever created by humans beings. We owe alot to this man.
I think you will find the Russains did more to defeat the Nazis than anyone else .
Churchill himself was a Nazi. He used to consider African as beasts.
Amen
Churchill used to call you Africans as beasts.
I think it is extremely unlikely anyone on the left would be clicking on a Churchill video with Douglas Murray.
I am of Indian heritage. My great grandparents were brought to Africa to work on the sugar cane plantations. I'm as sensitive as anyone to the triangulations of the British Empire. But I can say unreservedly that Winston Churchill was an unmitigated Hero! Was he perfect? No. Did he make decisions which, with the benefit of hindsight, seem inhumane? Sure! But one has to consider the political and cultural milieu in which he operated. His decisions were in furtherance of his political mandate to grow & sustain the British Empire. He did it to the best of his ability. How can any thinking person not admire his commitment to Excellence?! If Indian politicians had acted in the best interests of India (instead of religious infighting, caste Apartheid and rampant nepotism), perhaps India wouldn't have been colonized! Personally, I don't think Churchill could have been so single-mindedly anti-Nazi if he was a wicked man. It took a great deal of selflessness and human compassion to defeat the Reich. Winston Churchill was the greatest statesman the world has ever known! May his memory be everlasting ❤
Churchills’s health suffered from the strains and stresses of fighting the Nazis and walking a fine line with Stalin.
You have to learn a lot about Churchill
from Indian sources.
So much of modern and postmodern thought still rests on Darwinism. Yet it has never been proven empirically. I believe that this one theory inspires a society to presume unquestioningly that it is science. Many evils have arisen from this unproven science that turned the world of the 20th Century into a bloodbath. The most readily cancellable debate is any opposition to Darwin's Theory of Evolution because it is so readily believed as 'science'. This 'science' should be re-evaluated, especially in the light of modern scientific discovery, It is high time to restore debate.
God bless you.
Wow I think it’s time to make history great again. Just from my 30,000 I can see the human condition has been on a stellar trend of improvement since we have been keeping records.
Great episode. Why aren’t there statesmen like Churchill today? Their integrity and strength would be needed.
CHURCHILL. WILL NEVER BE ABUSED by REAL English people,especially those of us still alive today who was our bulwark during the grimmest days of the war.
When we listened to his speeches on the wireless it gave us a great boost to carry on regardless.of raids and bombs.of the blitz. You had to live in those days to understand it all.
apparently, he is guilty of thinking what everyone thought at that time. i think when all is done, their understanding of how things really are will prove far more accurate than what wokesters believe today.
I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU
@@shaughnfourie304 Thank you.
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Unfortunately, we have sat by and allowed gross error and outright lies about Winston Churchill in our leading Universities. They have poisoned three generations. Our media still does not give him his due.
One thing stands in common with all the people I've seen and heard screaming about Winston Churchill. They've never achieved anything, and don't look like they're on course to achieve anything.
Or ever read anything either by the sound of them.
Brilliant!
I've been fascinated by Churchill since I was a young Canadian girl. Now I am 70 and he continues to impress me. Thank you Douglas for this riveting series.
I am from an ethnic minority background and I think it's appalling how people try to denigrate Churchill. Was he flawed? Yes. Aren't we all? At the end of the day, what he did in service of this country and by standing against true wickedness cannot be erased. We will always owe him a debt of gratitude.
I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU
Quite likely, whatever race or color, most of us, today would not be around to denigrate a blessed thing except for this world-changer who stood without apology for right against the filthy tide of apoeasement.
I was born Canadian 1947. At the time my dad was 43 and Jewish , born in the East End of London. Churchill was his hero.
Canada gave Sanctuary in 1946 to the Ukranian Nazis, the entire army of Stepan Bandera. In 2014 President Obama took their descendants to Kiev to organize a violent coup to impose a Nazi Government on Ukraine to kill the ethnic Russians. That was the beginning of the Russia-Ukraine war.
Strange to think of a Jewish person seeing as a hero a strident believer in anti-semitic conspiracy theories:
'There is no need to exaggerate the part played in the creation of Bolshevism and in the actual bringing about of the Russian Revolution, by these international and for the most part atheistical Jews; it is certainly a very great one; it probably outweighs all others. With the notable exception of Lenin, the majority of the leading figures are Jews. Moreover, the principal inspiration and driving power comes from the Jewish leaders.'
Churchill, 1920
@@scallamander4899I’m going to hazard a guess that the OP’s father honored Churchill because Churchill’s written antisemitism paled beside Hitler’s *murderous* antisemitism. Back then, people were silly enough to believe that ACTUAL VIOLENCE was worse then mean words and arguably hateful thoughts. Those naive 20th century schmucks.
as an American learning about Churchhill in the 1950's he will always be my # 1 hero
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Well, he was half American, you know. I hope you can forgive us for wanting to keep him to ourselves. That said there are some awkward negatives we have to own and deal with, otherwise the specter of wokism will loom large and prevail.
Thank God Almighty for Winston Churchill and Douglas Murray.
My late mother watched her home town of Coventry bombed as a child stood on Edge Hill where she was an evacuee in Nov 1940. Her older sisters and her mother were under the bombs. We quoted Churchill at her funeral in October and played Nimrod by Elgar. It was a truly existential struggle, thank goodness we had WSC. This is an excellent discussion.
That is a beautiful musical piece, and most appropriate!
Thank God Churchill put Lord Beaverbrook in charge of the Air Ministry to cut through the typical military bullshit one normally runs into.
Both my grandads (one in leicester and one in stoke on Trent) remember seeing the orange glow in the night sky as Coventry got flattened. I’ve always found it fascinating how they both told me this separately and both watched it from completely different places that far away. Irrelevant but thought you might enjoy the story.
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A human being? Yes. A human being with imperfections? Yes. A human being with imperfections but nonetheless a hero? Unequivocally, yes! An extraordinary and very much needed discussion. Thanks to Mr Murray and Lord Roberts.
For a moment there I thought you meant Frederick Roberts VC!
He is my hero in The history. With a lots of defects but much determination and courage.
DITTO!
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Well, of course.
Without Sir Winston Churchill, warts and all, we'd probably be living in a very different reality.
As an Ex-Pat Irish man who has lived in Denmark the last 25 years, I belive that the freedom one experiences in especially a free Europe wouldn't have been possible without Sir Winston's endeavours and efforts during the second world war.
Thank God for thinkers like these that hold the ground our forefathers fought and struggled to grant us.
A totally ridiculous comment.
@@jamesprice4647 Explain how that is a ridiculous comment please. Seeing how without true history, people haven't learnt a thing about the past, like the Bud Lite, Chinese Cultural Revolution spewing out of every campus. Explain how without Churchill the West would be living a life of freedom. Maybe you're ex Eastern Block- but if so I doubt you'd have lived it- but had you lived it, you'd know the freedoms you have today isn't back dated for the West. People died so you could dismiss them, bravo!
@@stephenmcdonagh2795 Thank you for putting into words my sentiments. I doubt James even watched the video.
@@RussiaIsARiddle778 For sure. There's an odd collection of people who swoop down on sites that include people they've been brought up to hate, then blindly comment because they've heard that such and such said a bad thing so everything about that person must be bad.
Never the big picture, and they never put a person's comments in their historical time slot.
Thank God indeed, but also spare a thought for those who were the Peter that had to be robbed to save Paul.
We stand on the shoulders of giants. To sweep their legs away only brings us down. An enlightening and enjoyable episode.
And hardly the whole Churchill story.
Well said!
I'm stealing this quote
Churchill was a debased and evil man who took money from FOCUS group to start the war, which utterly destroyed the UK.
The goal of the leg-sweepers is political muck-raking. Their trajectory would be a degraded tribal society driven by endless factional wars.
Please Douglas keep this going! God bless you and God protect the West
Why Czech people loved Churchill?
In 1938 Churchill purportedly wrote to Chamberlain, “You were given the choice between war and dishonour. You chose dishonour, and you will have war".
Thank you for standing up and speaking the truth about such an amazing and courageous man who directed history! We, in the free world, should be grateful and reminded that without Churchill we may not be here today!
We sit here today free because of Winston Churchill and others like him. Little people always try to destroy those with greater courage and character then they will ever have. Flawed yes, perfect, definelty not, a towering leader for the ages , - without question. We need to thank God first, and then the Churchill's of the world that some had the courage to face down evil and never give up!
god?, real people & not mythological beings shape the World, stop believing fairy stories like a child & grow up!
We declared war on Germany as it was heading East completely in the opposite direction to us. Germany v ruthless Stalin and Communism was always going to kick off. We didn't need to get involved.
We lost the Empire, lots of the greatest generation and bankrupted ourselves to America and international finance. All our problems flow from that war.
We got captured by the Global American Empire and its open borders Globalisation project in 1945 and never broke free.
We will now become a minority in our only homeland.
I agreed except for the god part.
rhetoric
B@llocks, he was a zionist shill who pushed their agenda to destroy the nation states of Europe and join them in the EU.
Only Douglas Murray can make History this interesting
Superb discussion. We're in a fight for our civilisation at the moment and we owe it to our ancestors to make sure we win.
If you think Winston Churchill did your civilization a favor by fueling a civil war in Europe and taking part in colonialism that led to mass immigration you are delusional.
We actually owe it to our children to keep up the good fight for civilization.
This Uncancelled History series must never end.
There will, no doubt, be a continuous, bottomless well of subject matter, which must be countered.
Please 🙏🏻 genuinely it's so informative. It incapsulates history in a manner I comprehend and relate to
What used to be known as just "history"
@@justin_5631 - Yes! Exactly.
Grow up. You're doing the exact same as the wokies and only presenting one side. This posh nonce is the BARON OF BELGRAVIA! you think he doesn't have any bias regarding Winston?
so what you're saying is, it should never be cancelled?
This is the most exceptional series. Many people are desperate for this kind of content. Please extend it!!
Interesting interview. I’m enjoying Roberts’ biography of Churchill, but I don’t agree with him on everything. He seems to accept the current false narrative that the British Empire was ‘evil’, when in reality it was one of the most benevolent empires that has ever existed. That’s why Churchill was a British Imperialist, and rightly so!
Churchill loomed large in my schooldays, we read his memoirs of his younger years; the history we learnt was based on his History of the English Speaking Peoples, and later on his WWII volumes.
The greatest Englishman, warts and all, and the greatest writer of prose in the English language of the entire 20th Century.
We declared war on Germany as it was heading East completely in the opposite direction to us.
Germany v ruthless Stalin and Communism was always going to kick off, we didn't need to get involved.
We lost the Empire, lots of the greatest generation and bankrupted ourselves to America and international finance.
All our problems flow from that war. We got captured by the Global American Empire and its open borders Globalisation project in 1945 and never broke free.
We will now become a minority in our only homeland.
Churchill has been one of my favorite figures in history specifically because he was a certainly a flawed man, thought to be "cancelled" many times yet overcame over and over again to lead a nation and the inspire the world with only his words and sheer will. On my top 5 list of people I would love to have dinner with.
Winston will always be my hero. F the woke
A truly great man. I watched the film Churchill recently and have never fully appreciated him up till now. It bothers me that some modern people judge history without any historical context. Future generations will look back on us and wrongly do the same. He did have some very rough edges, though but Churchill had a huge part to play in the freedom I enjoy today. Thank you Mr. Churchill.
An an American i loved this episode. I want to learn more about Churchill now
"There's nothing more exhilarating than to be shot at, without result."
That's the brave soldier and eloquent writer Churchill talking about his luck, mostly in the real battles of war.
His random adversaries -- to this day -- keep taking potshots at the great man.
I really really wish this series was still going! This is soooo important. Getting the good side of our history onto the internet is so important!
Now THIS is the Christmas gift I was hoping for!
Yesss
Megyn Kelly has also posted a series of interviews reviewing historical times and people. Naturally, the UK and Winston Churchill figure prominently in this week's podcast series. Worth a listen.
Me too, True and fully true = The real truth
I love how balanced this conversation is on a man and his many great feats, and his acknowledged missteps.
Balanced conversation..by what token. His admitted mistakes are the smaller ones that are glossed over and his bigger ones of genocides, torture, massacres etc are totally denied with a new in-factual spin! He learnt from his mistakes is the token explanation! What did he learn when his indifference led to 8 million dying, not to do it again. Why didn't he learn when 10000 or 20000 or even 1 million died to change his mind, especially since he was constantly informed of the situation? If you find balance in this whitewashed presentation, you lack the ability to think critically!
Looks like somebody else was not paying attention. Were any of your relatives in Bengal? My father was and he had a very jaundiced view of the Bengalis and food shortages. Did you listen to the bit about Churchill constantly telegraphing North America regarding supply of foodstuffs to Bengal, the typhoon destroying the usual relief transport to Bengal and the Bay of Bengal swarming with enemy Japanese submarines? India was even being fired on by the enemy at the time!
What a brilliant hours worth of intelligent, sensible and non-woke speech. Thank you for stating what so many of us feel and for listing the improvements made to India by the British. Evidence and facts are always useful.
More episodes like this, please.
I support you 100%.......I may be Left of the Left in America....But Winston Churchill was KEY to the defeat of the Nazis. He was a GREAT man.
I love this series! Winston Churchill was a remarkable man
This was not nearly long enough. Absolutely brilliant podcast
Hands down the best new podcast in the world. I've come to understand it is a ten-part series, but I hope it continues on!
Thank you, Mr. Murray.
Yes
Well done. Two of my favorite Brits engaged in intellectual pursuits and actual history.
Thank you for this pod-cast. Churchill definitely is one of the greatest person of XX century.
Mr. Murray is one of the finest intellectuals of our time! He's such a thoughtful person who uses reason and logic with just a touch... a proper touch of emotion and recognition of the human condition. It may help that He's so very British...lol. For his American cousins across the pond...prim, proper and a bit posh British translates into someone smart as well lol.
I really enjoy when Mr. Murray and Jordan Peterson get together. Two great minds voicing reason in a time that desperately needs it.
As far as the woke and what motivates them? Neo-marxism with post modernists influences. They may not be marxists but wheter they realize it or not...that is who is pulling the strings in the modern leftist movement. Academia is still rife with and the home of the modern neo-marxist movement in the west. This is why all of the ideas and theories forwarded by the left originate in the university systems.
What a wonderful historian Andrew Roberts is.
Without Churchill, where would we be? A man of such command of the English language that he could sway a whole country, Britain, to save the World. Every inch a leader and a true Brit. Those who deface his statue should be thrown out of Britain . They do not deserve to live among us, the descendants of heros.
You would open the second front much earlier. You would not kill at least 5 million people in Bengal. You would not participate in the Greek civil war on behalf of the Nazis.
@@DipakBose-bq1vv It appears you have not watched the video. It’s a shame that you wish to comment without having listened.
@@DipakBose-bq1vv Idiot. Churchill didn't "kill" anyone in Bengal. You speak as though there had never been famines in India before or since.
Beautifully done. Great answer to all the anti-hero rhetoric lingering around like a new-wave miasma. Take heed Yanks! This is how you make a reply!
Much thanks to the eminent Mr Roberts, who's fluidity & palpable matter of factness in concisely relaying the facts is testament to the simplicity of truth.
Also to "Dishy-Douglas", the consummate professional. Sometimes it's good to be an insomniac!
Might I suggest a topic for a future episode: the once great and now forgotten Jan Smuts. A far greater contributor to the modern world than his fellow countryman Mandela. An example of how a great man's memory can be successfully destroyed.
I read the biography of Clementine Churchill Winstons wife. She was a cousin of the Mitford sisters. It was a good book and of course had a lot of Winston in it. They didnt have a lot of money for most of their marriage and yet had to do a lot of entertaining. She was very clever at saving money to be able to entertain all these people. They lost their home more than once. Their friends helped them get a house. She was a very good supporter of him and put up with his quirks and bad humor
Churchill is hands down the greatest Briton ever. He was the first to sound the alarm about Hitler and Nazi Germany. He is one of the best orators in history, and his legendary speeches inspired and rallied a battered nation to stay in the fight. “ He mobilized the English language and sent it into battle.” He saved the BEF by ordering Operation Dynamo, the rescue operation at Dunkirk that saved 215,000 British and 123,000 and French soldiers, who were then able to continue the fight. He made the hard decisions that the two appeasers, Halifax Chamberlain never would have had the balls to make. He ordered the sinking of the French fleet at Mers Al Kabir and seizure of other French ships as part of Operation Catapult to prevent the French ships from falling under Nazi control, after giving that stupid French Admiral Darlan multiple options to avoid it, including sail to a British port to continue to fight alongside the British, sail to a US port, or scuttle their own ships. The French idiot’s ego was bruised by the ultimatum, so he decided to do nothing leaving no other option than the British naval task force to open fire and sink the French fleet. If the Nazis would have gained control of that fleet, it would have tipped the balance of naval power against the British and Churchill could not risk it. He regretted it but, it had to be done. I’m American, and I can say without a doubt, Churchill was perhaps the greatest Allied leader of WW2, and anyone who would try to smear this great man, those spineless cowards, otherwise known as ( stupid leftist idiots) deserve nothing but ridicule and contempt from those of us who know exactly how important Churchill was to The Allies winning the war.
I think Chamberlain played for time and was a great pre-act for Churchill.
Thank you Douglas. So happy someone is saying this!
I’m halfway through, so the Irish question hasn’t been elaborated upon, but whether or not it does I want to say in spite of his miss steps I as an Irishman can see how important and brave and heroic a figure Churchill was. Having said that my city was half burned to the ground by his auxiliary forces and the Black and Tans. The cities architecture never recovered. Because let’s face it the Irish hadn’t a penny to build beautiful buildings to replace the beauty the British had built.
I am of a similar mind Brian, being Irish myself, there were awful times in Ireland, I remember David Starkey lamenting it recently and only saying that "he cannot bring himself to study the Irish period of Britain's history". It seems that overall and on balance, we have massively benefited from Britain, I think that while never forgetting those times we must be grateful for much else.
Having blood on both sides , it seems to me that for centuries, both parties have been, to some extent, captive of the deeds and myths of their forebears.
The first fallacious narrative is that the Norman-French who entered Ireland by invitation to fight on behalf of a would-be Irish King, were "English". ..... and it goes on from there.
It's sad what's happening in Ireland now, the Irish are having terrible problems with refugees and immigrants, Brits out everyone else in 🤔 love from Liverpool ♥️🇬🇧
@@davehallett810 it’s shocking. That’s certainly true. But Douglas wrote at length about it in the strange death of Europe. It seems Ireland feels guilty for sending so many abroad we feel the need to allow everyone in to take advantage of our social programmes. Forgetting that the vast majority of Irish that left worked like crazy to build cities around the world and farm and become the police forces and upstanding citizens. Working. Not looking for handouts. We are at crisis point in this country.
Churchill was a great hero for my mother in Czechoslovakia. She read all books about him. She admired him. Many Czech people did and do. We could see clearly what Hitler is preparing. Many Czech books and plays were written about it in 1930.
(Karel Čapek.) It was a disaster for our country that Chamberlain did not see what Churchill could see clearly.
At Munich, 1938 Chamberlain got an international agreement that Hitler should have the Sudetenland ( a big part of Czechoslovakia - exactly like Donbas for Ukraine) in exchange for Germany making no further demands for land in Europe. Chamberlain said it was 'Peace for our time'.
Two of my favourite writers. Andrew Roberts is an absolutely superb historian and his books tours de force.
This episode was a real treat - thanks to both gentlemen for the exellent discussion, and thanks to Winston for making sure it was spoken in English
He will always be a British hero in my mind.
Excellent discussion. Always a joy to listen to Andrew Roberts impart his tremendous knowledge of this subject.
Thank you for this program. I remember Winston Churchill from my childhood. All I knew about him was that he was a great Englishman and that he had been very influential in WWII. I knew his voice 54:45 and manner from seeing him on television. At the time I perceived all adults as co-parents with my own, so I thought of him as one of the many grandfathers. Anyway, I distinctly remember when he died and his state funeral. It was a big event. He was an extraordinary man.
At 75 I was raised with Churchill as my hero.
He was a man who revered in the Rhodesia's ( Northern and Southern) - now Zambia and Zimbabwe.
Although very small populations many (most) of our people fought in the 2nd World War and were very involved in groups such as the Long Range Desert Group, SAS and RAF.
Churchill had been very active in Southern Africa as was another South African leader at that time General Jan Smuts.
Churchill and Smuts became lifelong friends and Churchill often consulted with Smuts.
Jan Smuts was very involved in setting up the League of Nations (the precursor to the United Nations) after the 1st World War and was often involved in Churhills war time cabinet.
He was a man of huge intellect and leadership abilities.
There must be many people still alive who can remember Churchill was voted the greatest Briton ever, sometime around 2010. At the time, I would never have imagined he would, in such a short time, not only lose his heroic status but become a demon!
If there's any suggestion I have for this series, it's to link the relevant books of these writers in the video description so we can pick them up and read them for ourselves. I realize I can just go the extra mile and go back to intro to get the titles there, but it would be nice and convenient to have them in the video description as well.
Good point!… I’m often scrolling back to jot down relevant books that are mentioned
Good of the BBC to put the 10 Greatest Controversies of Winston Churchill prominently on their pages.
Maybe we can get a top 10 going for the BBC. I'll start with Appeasement of the Nazis and Jimmy Saville.
I taught college physics for 30 years, but have always read history. Really enjoyed Roberts' Churchill bio, btw. In my experience, none of the first year students had any basic historical knowledge, beyond "we did some sh!t to some people." They do have inordinate pride in our military post 9-11, but no knowledge at any depth of the details of various conflicts and why we lose so often, e.g. Vietnam to Afghanistan. Such a waste of wise youth, the loss of all that time to read and imagine.
Education in my opinion has become overly utilitarian with an unwarrantedly narrow emphasis on mere material gain in the here and now.
Before they did away with the classics there was more of an idea of creating a well rounded student body. This de emphasis on the humanities is deplorable and has led to the very results that you observed.
Roberts in his bio of Winston quotes a passage from his first book, written as a junior officer serving in India and the Kyber Pass in the 1890s. Winston's description of the British experience in Afghanistan then could almost word for word be a description of the US involvement there in the 21st Century "Financially it is ruinous, militarily hopeless, morally dubious and politically it is a blunder. Worst of all I see no way of extricating ourselves from this wretched country without abandoning to the slaughter those tribes whose leaders foolishly believed the empty promises of our politicians."
Thank you very much Douglas and guest Andrew Roberts for sharing your knowledge and thoughts on Churchill's life. A fascinating, measured and welcome conversation.
Thanks for listening!
Douglas Murray?........brilliant simply brilliant
You did a great job with this, Douglas.
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Yes Justin. Applause! Applause!
If we in the U.S. have to give up our dear Mark Steyn to GBNews then it's comforting to know Douglas Murray resides amongst us in return.
How does this channel only have 10k subs? I could watch these all day
I subbed when I saw this
I wonder how many also haven't realized they have not subbed yet
Why always the hyperbolics? 10k seems like a reasonable amount for a new channel in this nich
Subbed also when I saw Murray here speaking.
Many thanks to Mr. Murray .
Every man with with a scrap of goodness decency and patriotism who experienced the 2nd world war will know without a doubt that Churchill was one of our greatest sons.Without his leadership we would have succumbed and lost the will to continue the war. To this day the free world owes him a very great debt for the freedom we all take for granted, this applies to people of all colour and creed.
We declared war on Germany as it was heading East completely in the opposite direction to us. Germany v ruthless Stalin and Communism was always going to kick off, we didn't need to get involved.
We lost the Empire, lots of the greatest generation and bankrupted ourselves to America and international finance.
All our problems today flow from that war.
We got captured by the Global American Empire and its open borders Globalisation project in 1945 and never broke free.
We will now become a minority in our only homeland.
cheap rhetoric
@@mito88 Even cheaper ad-hom response without fact or logic.
@@peterwebb8732 wrong.
I was brought up on tales of Churchill's villainy and it was only after reading a number of different biographies of Churchill (Gilbert, Jenkins, Roberts , Hanson and more) that I discovered, what I'd been taught and what I thought I knew was in most cases inaccurate or largely untrue. Tôn y Pandy, the Llanelli Railway yards, the Northwest Frontier, Iraqi Kurds, the Black and Tans, the Bengal Famine, the internment of the Mau Mau in Kenya; all of it attributed to Churchill, all of it inaccurate, all of it "embellished".
Churchill has become a symbol of revisionist history by those that seek to do Great Britain, British History, British Culture and the legacy of many great works, not only harm but to land a wounding blow. The likes of Olusogu, Hirsch, Chomsky et al are Quislings
" I do not want to receive any suggestions how we can destroy militarily important targets in Dresden’s hinterland, I want to get suggestions how we can fry 600,000 refugees from Breslau in Dresden.”-Winston Churchill, as quoted in a Minute by A.P.S. of S.-Air Chief Marshal Sir Wilfrid Freeman-Jan. 26, 1945 in Air Historical Branch file CMS 608.
Unfortunately, the Bengal famine is as real as the Second World War, and Churchill's preponderont role in starting the one and allowing the second is well-documented. Without Churchill, and his pathological hatred for Germany (his beloved mother had a public affair with Prince Bismarck, while she would not even let him touch her), Britain could have kept its empire and millions of deaths would have been avoided.
@@helloxyz Actually, during the battle of Britain he said: "I never hated the Germans in the last war, but now I hate them like...... well like an earwig".
Furthermore, Churchill was the only one who wasn't fooled by Hitler's rhetoric about bringing ethnic Germans together during the appeacement era of the 30's. Because, unlike many other politicians at the time, he has read Hitlers 'Mein Kampf', (the translated version) in the early 30's, and therefore were able to see through Hitlers bluff.
@@wolfu597 thanks, but I don't think that you should put too much credence into what a politician says or writes - or reads. I'm not sure which bluff you are referring to - Hitler's policies described in Mein Kampf were carreid out to the letter - and his long-term aim of bringing together the German people, and creating a European counter to the British hegemony (as he saw it - he was 30 years too late) were all well documented and debated in public.
Churchill's hatred for Germans was clear in the Great War, but I look at his behaviour and the underlying psychological moitvators, I am sure that Churchill was not conscious, as we ourselves rarely are.
@@helloxyz Actually, I'm quoting materials from mr Andrews's book.
What an absolute pleasure it was to be a fly on the wall during conversation. Hope you don't mind Douglas, but I'll definitely be earwigging in on many more 😉
In September 1938 Chamberlain returned from Munich to near-unanimous congratulations.
He declared 'Peace for our time' .
Churchill, however, was one of the few who spoke against him. He saw the Munich Pact as a 'total and unmitigated defeat'. Overtly opposed to the appeasement policy and very sceptical of Hitler's promises, he spoke out in the House of Commons with a damning speech.
In September 1939 UK was in war with Germany.
This should be in schools.
Excellent discussion. Enjoyed this very much. Thanks for posting. Edit: On the basis of this interview just bought Andrew's book on Churchill. It's a fantastic read.
the term "tonypandy" to refer to "when a historical event is reported and memorialized inaccurately but consistently until the resulting fiction is believed to be the truth.
So nice to hear educated, informed, cultured humanists, sitting down and with reason and facts restore the legacy of one of the most influential and important humans of the 20th century. Thank you Douglas Murray and Andrew Roberts.
So Andrew Robert’s pulled a Basil Fawlty line in that Churchill College discussion.😁 “Yes you did. You invaded Poland.”
Hahaha 🤣 when Basil had that table with the two German couples, before goose-stepping to the lobby.
Also, Basils beloved car breaks down and tries to beat it up like it has feelings. Fast forward to the statue of Churchill and the Cenotaph in London. BLM beat them up to teach them a lesson. One as absurd as the other.😅😂🤣
Murray never disappoints me. Thank you.
Sir WC, sleep easy my mate, you are a legend to me...
Small minds are desperate to pull down those greater than themselves.
They achieve nothing of note, themselves, and so must denigrate the achievements of others.
Its the only power they have!
History through biography, the best, most intriguing of all approaches
“If I were married to you, I'd put poison in your coffee,” Lady Astor once famously remarked to Winston Churchill. “If I were married to you,” he replied, “I'd drink it.”
These programs give me hope for the future. Thank you
"If it was any other empire..." how true.
Amid the lies and murk, the truth will out.
No modern politician could benchpress Winston’s silk undershorts.
Thank you Douglas. Great presentation.
Thank you. Having read a few of Sir W.C's books, I was charmed and respectful.. He remains high on the phantom list of historic persons with whom to enjoy an evening of a few drinks/morphine/whatever and conversation.
Britiain- "No good deeds go unpunished."
Thank you DM. Keep it going - hate the resentfulness that can and has defamed Churchill. (Anyone want to live under Hitler?!).
Just discovered this incredible series. What a thrill. Keep it going ... Please.
Kudos to you Mr. Murray. I admire your work.
A Great conversation as well as learning more facts about the most interesing man in the world.
Churchill England
Really excellent and balanced discussion across the canvas, congratulations and many thanks to you both. Roberts touched upon Churchill’s awareness of his privileged position and, in turn, his feeling of responsibility towards others. He could also have given examples of his deep humanity and of his zeal for radical social reform. Importantly, these say so much about him as an individual and help to dispel the modern day notion of him being a tyrant (for example, being scapegoated for the Bengal Famine). It is also not generally known that he is considered as being one of the architects of the modern welfare state, a big plus when doing any balance sheet assessment of Churchill. Referring to the Bengal Famine again, Roberts vividly demonstrates the dire wartime conditions, placing the Allies in a very difficult position to help out. It is also worth mentioning that local politics and corruption on the ground in India greatly exacerbated the impact of the famine. A final point really worth highlighting is that academics and others, who take an anti-Churchill stance, hold preconceptions about him from which they do not wish to depart, no matter how much factual information is thrown at them. History itself has been debunked. Hence, the vital importance of Uncancelled History, in the role it plays in pursuit of the truth. We are in a war of attrition but I am sure that the truth and the enduring value of the Churchill legacy will ultimately prevail.
Absolutely fantastic conversation!
Love the series, Douglas! You are the man.
Two of the best. Bravo.
Hello Douglas. I really enjoyed watching this programme. Thank you 👍
Great conversation about a great man! Thank you.
Douglas Murray and I am sold
A great conversation. I appreciate Andrew Roberts ability to pack so much information into a seemingly casual talk between friends, greatly assisted by Douglas Murray of course.
This whole channels is so wonderfully British. I love it ❤