I cant tell you how proud i am that Clive is there to represent our club. I like Robbie, but Clive is the right person to be involved in this type of "conversation"
Buvey talks about a disaster for the league if they get relegated. I think it's a disaster if they're found guilty and don't. Serie A had the stones to relegate Juventus to Serie B, dock Milan 15 points and Lazio 3 points during Calciopoli and you can't tell me they aren't big clubs. Integrity matters when it comes to a competitive league.
Big difference, Juve were bribing refs, the ceo had all the mobile phone numbers of every ref. Juve were relegated and docked 30 points which was reduced to 8
What you gonna say when Man City are innocent….. Everyone acts like they are lawyers and know what they are talking about but if you read the charges they are dumb.
It'd be a massive win for the Premier League to police itself and deal a blow to an entity that thinks it is above the law. 35 of the 115 charges are instances of City for non-compliance.
Buvey saying “there are city shirts in NY” like that alone justifies them posting higher revenues than any other team in the world is laughable. I saw a kid wearing a crystal palace shirt in Ohio the other day so I can only assume their revenues are up there as well
He's a wind-up merchant. Look at his face when he's talking. He's always got a slight smirk. He knows what he's doing. And Arsenal fans still fall for it. 😂
Played some beautiful football all our lives and was told we need to switch it up and be tougher .😂😂😂😂😂😂 it’s laughable. They’re in for a shock when ode and merino goes into midfield.
Clive's such a great Arsenal rep. Represents his club well and does not go down to the level of some of these other fans and even the pundits' tribalism
This. Everyone used to laugh at Wenger’s teams for being soft and weak on set pieces and away from home in big games. Just admit you hate Arsenal and move on.
@@johnmichaelson9173 you think Arsenal had more spine every time they went out to attack Pep’s side and were completely played off the field and embarrassed?
The way fans and pundits talk about Arsenal is so disingenuous. Playing Villa, City and Spurs away in the first 5 games of a new season is no small feat, travelling to Italy and playing the Europa League Champions on a Thursday night in no small feat. Baring in mind we haven't lost yet? For years we were bullied at away grounds, losing 6-0, 5-0, 4-1, regularly. Now we've toughen up and don't allow other teams to score, it's "Arsenal park the bus", "Arsenal play negative football". It's hypocritical and disigenous.
It's because they don't want to see Arsenal do well. They enjoyed the seasons where we were technical and weak physically. Now we're one of the most physical, and one of the most technical teams in world football they can't find an easy weakness to the team. So it's time to pull out the "You've not got a striker", "You play boring defensive football".... ignore that we scored the second most amount of goals last season, and that we press high up the pitch when we need to.
Man City fans and the media always do that when a big team play them. Every time United play them we’re slagged off constantly about not playing pure football and not taking the game to them if we draw or lose by a goal or 2. Then when we open up and get smashed all the pundits are talking about how we should of played more defensive and not been so open. You can’t win because they always need something to complain about.
@@johnnoon9498 technically speaking, 2 is multiple, but the way he said it was like they had won loads!! City were absolute tinpot before the take over.
Buvey needs to understand that the charges are not about Manchester City from 2019 to 2024. They relate to breaches of Financial Fair Play regulations over a nine-year period, from 2009 to 2018. Even if Manchester City had sold every player in their squad last summer, it would have no impact on their case with the Premier League. It's embarrassing that he doesn't grasp the basic premise of the case his club is involved in.
@thedean4431 I'm just stating the timeframe of the investigation. I for one don't think there's anything suspicious about Man Cities spending during that time frame. 100% credible. Nothing to look at here.
Rio, scholes they are all rubbish. Scholes doing exactly what Rednapp did last week. Making assumptions. Fact is Rashford is not Salah. He is not too good to be rotated or dropped. Never been that guy. It's not that hard to understand if you have eyes.
Never seen him before but wow, I couldn't believe what I was hearing. I mean, let's not forget that UEFA literally found Man City guilty of breaches and were expelled from European competition for 2 years before they avoided it by paying 30 million. Not something an innocent party would do.
If City's titles were stripped and relegated to the Football League like they should be, it would be the best thing that ever happened to the Premier League.
I liked Paul Scholes as a player but I totally disagree about almost everything that he said about Manchester United players. De Light is way way better player than Maguire, Garnacho is better player than Rashford. It is obvious that Svholes is bias, prefers British players. Sorry Mr Scholes but your comments don’t make lots of sense.
Buvey knows very little about everything. Tries to link Klopp’s Liverpool to Bill Shankly 😅 but doesn’t know about George Graham? Get these know littles of our screens. There’s so little knowledge & they’re ruining what the game is.
Like, comparing Graham with Shankly in itself is a complete joke. It'd be like saying Cruyff with Barca and comparing him with Graham ffs. Daft comparison.
@@LoCoAde87 not sure I understand your comment but to clarify. Buvey draws a link to how Liverpool play historically to show that they haven’t deviated from it but neglects that Arsenal were known as a defensive team before Wenger - so saying that Arsenal are somehow disgraceful for playing a style not in their DNA shows he’s cherry picking “history”.
Comparing the City situation to Rangers/Celtic is ridiculous. The Scottish league had two teams that matter, one was dropped to the bottom league, the Premier League has teams that finish 7th and win the Champions league. If the City left the league it would only be bad for City, the league itself would carry on as normal.
@@Birl Not at all, if the charges stick then punishments apply. They can't potentially commit 115 charges and be given a slap on the wrist if they stick, rules are rules and a clubs achievements shouldn't lessen them.
@@jakehowie442 in fairness that one is my bad, I thought Chelsea did it while they were dropping off. The pandemic years all blur into a 12 month period for me 🤣 but still the quality between the two leagues can't be compared, Scottish league has two teams, PL has the big six and others creeping in too.
Scholes: “Arsenal haven’t started well they haven’t looked good” 11 out of 15 points. 7 of those points coming from Villa away, Spurs away and City away. Also Schloes: “Arsenal can’t win a league on set pieces” Scored 8 goals and 2 of them are set pieces. All these ex United players analysis when it comes to Arsenal is so basic and clearly from a bias standpoint.
Well if they're trying to win the league, 11/15 points is 73% Man city have won the last 4 with 90 points on average, that's 90 out of a possible 114, or 79% So no, that's not good enough from Arsenal..
@@JuT11 youre comparing completely different samples lol. you should be comparing arsenals first 5 with how they look like when man city played them last year but then obvs flipping the city vs arsenal fixture. city's percentage is lower.
Buvey just doesn't get it, IF city have cheated, and while it hasn't been proven, it seems likely that they have fiddled the books. If they are guilty, then they cheated, which diminishes their achievements. Were they a nice side to watch,sometimes, but as Chloe says, how good does Jurgen look being able to challenge them so consistently
@@archaicrapture So you'd have no problem if the refs were getting brown envelopes? What you gonna do when Newcastle start handing out bigger brown envelopes than you?
Didn’t realise city had 12 players on the picture… literally all the top 6 have got a higher net spend than us yet we’re the cheats and it’s all based on loads of money. I don’t hear Chelsea getting a load of abuse they’ve literally just spent £1.5b in 2 seasons we’ve never done anything anywhere near that… how do you think the red cartel got to where they are in the first place loads of money being pumped in and now it’s the other way around they don’t like it. FFP was brought in the protect the big clubs, why are all the small clubs getting charged, wake up? If any one in the media read the CAS docs stating ‘no evidence’ then people might have different views. Have you ever seen anyone int he media actually break the charges down and explain them, wouldn’t that be a good place to start…but no a complete agenda that were already guiltily.
Hopefully a transfer ban for several seasons or fine them heavily so they have no money to spend. If they get a deduction and relegated it just ruins the competition in the Championship
"Arsenal still couldn't beat this city side without Rodri in the 2nd half".. it was 10 Vs 11 and we still got a draw you absolute melt 🤦 these city fans are something else 😂😂😂
If only they didn't score in the last minute. What would be the argument then? City fans aren't football fans they're glory hunters and nation state shills
The narrative of Arsenal not scoring enough goal was the same story last season before Christmas... And still they scored 91 second to city You guys just hate Arsenal
@@edrahimovic no one wants to be second But when you look at the city team and how stacked with quality player the team is, Arsenal are pushing way above their weight trying to compete with city
@@kentucky9992 agree 100% and for the record I have nothing but respect for Arsenal and especially Arteta but like Scholes said, its not enough, because enough would be as many as, or more than City and win you the league
@@xiz0808 Arsenal won 18 of their 20 league games after Christmas last season losing 1 and drawing with city but it still wasn't enough because to win this city team you need perfection wish is near impossible with the squad Arsenal have
Basically what i'm getting is: Everything is ok until Arsenal do it. Complaining about referees? Fine until it's Arsenal. Defending?? Fine until it's Arsenal. Faking cramp? It's smart until Arsenal does it. It's so clear
What Arsenal are doing is not smart though. They've had two players sent off, probably costing them four points, because of time wasting or gamesmanship in situations where it was unnecessary.
Arsenal haven’t lost this season . Why are these scumbags shading like arsenal been losing all season .. arsenal went on to beat Aston and tot on their turfs , drew man city at home ,,7points out of possible 9 ..
I have to set I don’t think McKola is anywhere near as insufferable as the other two. Wouldn’t miss him but the other two are brain damage ok anything they’re on. No idea how they get so many gigs.
@@daviebananas1735 look at the comments section. This is why they’re on because people hate them and angrily send comments about how much they hate them. Like old school WWE heels. It’s just the world we live in today unfortunately.
Carra mentioning Slot in the second best manager in the PL discussion and failing to mention Ten Hag is crazy, won more in Holland and won a trophy each of his 2 seasons in the Prem
They probably all agree with him because they’re in denial about the fact they cheated. They’d still be in the relegation battle if they never had the oil money and they all know that but can’t bring themselves to accept it.
Granacho has scored 3 in 2 games but also got 2 assists so I don’t see the big deal with Rashford being rotated. Some people need to get a grip and just say you don’t like the manager 😂
Scholes, is such a downer. Arsenal scored 91 goals last year mate. They’ve literally had the toughest 5 games you could have at the start of the season against 4 sides that were in the top 4 last year, 1 being champions and 1 of them being the European champions and won 3 of them no losses. Talk about being pessimistic.
Arsenal draw 2-2 to city, away from home - and they talk about how poorly we played, yet Liverpool lose 1-0 at home to forest, and they think they can win the league?
Liverpool under Klopp from 2017-2023 vs City at the Etihad: 0 wins 2 draws 4 losses 18 goals conceded 5 goals scored Why has it become a requirement for Arsenal to win at the Etihad, but when it’s Liverpool a draw is enough? Go and ask Arsenal fans if they would prefer ‘pretty football’ under Wenger and finish 4th or play defensively minded football under Arteta and win the league, they’ll all say the latter. The same was said last szn about our lack of goals, from January onwards we lost 1 game and drew 1, one rule for Arsenal, another for rivals, it’s pathetic.
Convicting Man City if they have not respected the laws, would actually validate the integrity of the league. If anyone is guilty, they should be punished, regardless of the size of the team, or their achievements.
Demotion to the League 1 is not enough if City are found guilty. They should be banned from competing for 2 years and demoted on top of that. A demotion for these owners would mean that the investments would be worth it. Because they can easily make sure they have a good enough squad to go straight back up. That would only be a minor setback. Strip the titles too ofc.
@@ironheade22 Well if the owners have inflated the sponsorship deals with their own money it is a very big deal as it creates an unfair sporting advantage. So if they are found guilty on this my belief is that they will face a huge punishment. Then it's the case of not co-operating with the investigation. Which should also be punished hard imo. The economy of football needs to be controlled and the first step of that is to finish this case so that they can focus on implementing better financial structures of the PL. If the clubs keep growing their economy in this pace it will soon be unavailable for middle class people.
@@vonpiit The rules mean that the clubs that already had the most money could be the only ones allowed to spend the most forever, with no other club having the possibility of catching up. The point of FFP is to give an unfair sporting advantage to the elite clubs. Therefore, City disregarding these dumb rules is for the good of the league and any punishment, no matter how small, would be completely unjustified. City's punishment for non-cooperation in the UEFA case was fairly minor compared to what UEFA wanted to charge them with, so it may be likely that the same thing will happen again.
@@ironheade22 This sounds like a wild conspiracy theory. If the integrity of the sport should be kept you have to regulate the top clubs then. Not have one club break the law just because they don't agree with it. Sounds like one case is argued for City being innocent from breaking the rules, then another case is argued for why they did. It's contradicting. Let's just wait and see what the outcome will be of this case and then discuss what to do with the rest of the league. Surely an independent regulator doesn't sound so bad.
I cant tell you how proud i am that Clive is there to represent our club. I like Robbie, but Clive is the right person to be involved in this type of "conversation"
😂😂😂😂
Buvey isn't tho
Donald Robbie is too emotional.
Robbie isn’t the right man to debate this conversation as he’s too delusional at times
Wobbie is extremely delusional and biased - it’s pointless having him on this show
Buvey came in with the worst argument ever.
He is an Internet troll that got popular due to True Geordies Kick Off like the other 2 vultures
@@Boo-wp1xw All of them 3 traitors are atrocious.
Not in his head though 😂😂😂
He has spent too much time with Rory and speaks the same BS.
@@Boo-wp1xw 👍💯 Rat's the lot of them but how Buvey is popular is beyond me...
STOP GIVING BUVEY A PLATFORM
And Rory
Na Buvy keeps views up
Snowflakes
Stop giving Brent partridge a form 🥴🥴🥴🥴
Buvey a proper wa***r
Rory speaks for 0% of Chelsea fans. CLUELESS!
I literally cannot watch him. Wouldn't want to do anyone out of a job but I simply cannot click knowing he will speak.
What did he say that was bad? Made a lot of sense here
Most sense he’s spoken in a long time, didn’t miss a beat when it comes to Chelsea.
@@JKnight23 I'll give him another chance on this then.
💯
Buvey talks about a disaster for the league if they get relegated. I think it's a disaster if they're found guilty and don't. Serie A had the stones to relegate Juventus to Serie B, dock Milan 15 points and Lazio 3 points during Calciopoli and you can't tell me they aren't big clubs. Integrity matters when it comes to a competitive league.
100x bigger clubs than man city. and thats just calciopoli
Big difference, Juve were bribing refs, the ceo had all the mobile phone numbers of every ref. Juve were relegated and docked 30 points which was reduced to 8
League titles were also taken off them. So when did the point deduction get reduced? Was that within the next season?
What you gonna say when Man City are innocent…..
Everyone acts like they are lawyers and know what they are talking about but if you read the charges they are dumb.
Buvey is delusional. Disaster for English football because of their stats 😂 get a grip
It'd be a massive win for the Premier League to police itself and deal a blow to an entity that thinks it is above the law. 35 of the 115 charges are instances of City for non-compliance.
@@drhughiedikr, it'll infact either restablish the integrity, of reaffirm it if they get found guilty or not
Needs to stop been a glory seeker and support Plymouth or someone
@daz7987 that buvey is from Bristol
It would be a stain on the legacy of the premier league, not sure how this is hard to understand.
Buvey waffling 5 seconds into his monologue 😂😂
Literally skipped the whole bit as soon as he started
Lol me too
Funny guy…
@@mikc92 Smart!
Complaining about Arsenal’s lack of ambition in their play. The top scoring side of last season… Rattled mate ✊💦
Good on Carra for calling out Buvey immediately.
Course carra would he hates city, did you hear how gutted he was when Jonny, Jonny stones scored
▪︎Everybody wants City Relegated
▪︎If PL 115 Accusations unproven
▪︎Everybody to demand PL investigated?😂
Nobody likes city. Nobody cares when they win. They’re cheats and everyone knows it. City should settle the case as this is just embarrassing for them
@@Istanbully23 Because the way City conducted themselves during that game was rotten
@@Piccolonion you must have been watching a different game from me 🥴
Buvey saying “there are city shirts in NY” like that alone justifies them posting higher revenues than any other team in the world is laughable. I saw a kid wearing a crystal palace shirt in Ohio the other day so I can only assume their revenues are up there as well
Crystal Palace is the biggest club in the world next to City - Buvey, 2024.
Tbh I'd say the kid wearing haaland on the back has more to do with his popularity in America since he signed with PRIME
@@robertryan630no one cares about prime anymore
@@philip244
Prime is the biggest drink in the world next to City - Buvey, 2024.
Clive is some club representative. Absolutely love him. Doesn’t talk waffle, so insightful and clever and never embarrasses club.
Clive's very knowledgeable and proper in his response 🤙🏻🤙🏻
He is what Robbie wishes he could be. Ubiased and knows football!
@@matrix35Clive bores me though I'd have Robbie in a minute
Clive once actually made me fall asleep
He's boring with a funny voice.
@@davejordan9776 yes you’ve hit the nail on the head
Buvey is insufferable. The human equivalent of The Daily Mail
😂😂😂
@@ryannightingale3022born and bred in Bristol apparently. But Bristol City/Rovers RUclips channels doesn’t get you noticed 😂
so is scholes
Buvey has the arrogance of an academic while have the knowledge and maturity of a 16 year old.
He's a wind-up merchant. Look at his face when he's talking. He's always got a slight smirk. He knows what he's doing. And Arsenal fans still fall for it. 😂
Arsenal scored 91 goals last season - the most in the club’s history and Buvey is talking Arteta’s negative tactics - now that’s embarrassing
Played some beautiful football all our lives and was told we need to switch it up and be tougher .😂😂😂😂😂😂 it’s laughable. They’re in for a shock when ode and merino goes into midfield.
"Negative tactics", leading a man, down away from home, if citeh hadn't equalised we'd be praising it like a mourinho esque tactic
This season youve been shocking in front of goal. You cant win a league by getting draws
@@SmokingfineYou won nothing with both styles 😂 ur point?
@@user-sm2bf9mu7zwhat draws? We won every game except those where PGMOL robbed us players when we were winning xD
Buvey talks utter rubbish. Stop giving him a platform
The way Buvey just ignores Chloe on 23min is appalling. The arrogance of the fella. 🤯
tbf chloe was constantly interrupting him when he was trying to answer the questions put out to him by carra and scholes
Clive's such a great Arsenal rep. Represents his club well and does not go down to the level of some of these other fans and even the pundits' tribalism
He’s so articulate and reasoned.
Bring back the roadmen. Arteta out they said 😂
For 15 years we were told "Arsenal need to be wiser, they need cajones, they need a spine"
And now suddenly everyone is saying "no, not like that"
This. Everyone used to laugh at Wenger’s teams for being soft and weak on set pieces and away from home in big games.
Just admit you hate Arsenal and move on.
Player's getting sent off because of stupidity isn't wise & it's not much of spine if doesn't get over the halfway line.
It's also a reflection of how far behind the other so called big teams are. Arsenal are close
@@johnmichaelson9173 you think Arsenal had more spine every time they went out to attack Pep’s side and were completely played off the field and embarrassed?
There’s a difference between being streetwise and going out to hobble the opposition’s best player, straight from the kickoff.
The way fans and pundits talk about Arsenal is so disingenuous. Playing Villa, City and Spurs away in the first 5 games of a new season is no small feat, travelling to Italy and playing the Europa League Champions on a Thursday night in no small feat. Baring in mind we haven't lost yet? For years we were bullied at away grounds, losing 6-0, 5-0, 4-1, regularly. Now we've toughen up and don't allow other teams to score, it's "Arsenal park the bus", "Arsenal play negative football". It's hypocritical and disigenous.
It's because they don't want to see Arsenal do well. They enjoyed the seasons where we were technical and weak physically. Now we're one of the most physical, and one of the most technical teams in world football they can't find an easy weakness to the team. So it's time to pull out the "You've not got a striker", "You play boring defensive football".... ignore that we scored the second most amount of goals last season, and that we press high up the pitch when we need to.
It is to a certain extent. Jamie Carragher does seem to have bias against Arsenal. But arsenal fans also arrogant while not winning anything
So true mate
Man City fans and the media always do that when a big team play them. Every time United play them we’re slagged off constantly about not playing pure football and not taking the game to them if we draw or lose by a goal or 2. Then when we open up and get smashed all the pundits are talking about how we should of played more defensive and not been so open. You can’t win because they always need something to complain about.
No he doesn't. He always wants us to do well. People think pundits and refs are always bias against their own teams. @@jakehowie442
"City had won multiple league titles before the takeover"
They'd won 2 (Two) . That was less than Huddersfield Town.
In the 70s
It is correct still.
@@johnnoon9498 technically speaking, 2 is multiple, but the way he said it was like they had won loads!!
City were absolute tinpot before the take over.
@@tomwalsh6774 I mean, they were a mid table premier league club.
@@johnnoon9498 “mid table” 🤣🤣
That’s being extremely generous. City’s average premier league finish pre takeover was 13th out of 20 teams
I love how everyone already starts laughing as soon as Buvey starts talking 😂
▪︎Everybody wants City Relegated
▪︎If PL 115 Accusations unproven
▪︎Everybody to demand PL investigated?😂
PLEASE FROM EVERYONE AT THE CHELSEA FANBASE STOP BRINGING RORY ON PLEASE WE ARE BEGGING YOU . HE ONLY SPEAKS FOR HIMSELF PLS STOP
Straight facts.
Same with Adam. Talks out of his ass everytime
😅 I actually did laugh loud at this
Everyone only speaks for themselves 🤷♂️
We don’t claim mutants at Chelsea
In a world of clickbait football shows and pundits with shock value as opposed to analysis...Clive is a breath of fresh air...what an absolute Gent.
Just needs to speed it up before he puts me to sleep
@@FIFA09KingSays more about you I think
@@FIFA09King for me it's less the speed he talks and more the lack of inflection and incredibly calm and boring tone. i just stop listening to him tbh
He’s boring as anything
Yeah, quite unusual for a gooner.
Buvey needs to understand that the charges are not about Manchester City from 2019 to 2024. They relate to breaches of Financial Fair Play regulations over a nine-year period, from 2009 to 2018.
Even if Manchester City had sold every player in their squad last summer, it would have no impact on their case with the Premier League. It's embarrassing that he doesn't grasp the basic premise of the case his club is involved in.
have you read the cas report can i question you on page 56 and 63 section d please advice you must have read it
so on the sposorship deal with etihad cas said all fair value any comment
@thedean4431 I'm just stating the timeframe of the investigation. I for one don't think there's anything suspicious about Man Cities spending during that time frame. 100% credible. Nothing to look at here.
@@thedean4431 I don't know the case inside out, but was it not time barred from 2009 to 2012. That timeframe is considered in this trial.
@StephenC-k5o yes from 09-12 when these "rules" didn't exist lol be ready to watch the PL have their pants pulled down
Scholes proves that not all ex-players are good pundits. His takes are all over the places, shocking stuff.
Don't worry mate, Rio does that ever week
Rio, scholes they are all rubbish. Scholes doing exactly what Rednapp did last week. Making assumptions. Fact is Rashford is not Salah. He is not too good to be rotated or dropped. Never been that guy. It's not that hard to understand if you have eyes.
He's basically saying that De Ligt and Maguire are comparable in this one. What nonsense.
@@JamesKennedy33de ligt still doesn't have the pace to play a high line.
Very poor from him I can’t tell if he’s being unprofessional or his head is empty
Buvey is actually scared of those 130 charges. That's why you see him flapping & saying things like " it will be disastrous for English football"
Quite amusing Scholes says Arsenal haven’t started well when they’ve got 7 out of 9 points away to Villa, Spurs and City
He said they haven't looked good going foward which is true
We've scored 2 less goals than Liverpool and he was lauding their attack 😂😂😂 @@andrewwright4195
They don't look like an intimidating side and I think they can be beaten.
@@donuts7627 Odegaard is so important for their aura
@@andrewwright4195 well that’s because Odegaard has been missing
Just give Clive the mic pls
Buvey so rattled 🤣
He definitely wasn’t rattled, well done Buvey 🩵👊
@@Istanbully23he was 100% rattled
@@Istanbully23 buddy was so rattled 😂
@@Istanbully23that clown is always rattled.
@@Istanbully23 Found his burner account
Buvey is a pure champagne supporter. I'd imagine he will go back to watching rugby when Man City stop winning.
All the comments regarding Buvey and his takes are absolutely warranted. Diabolical all round.
Buvey is an absolute clown
Hate that knt
Never seen him before but wow, I couldn't believe what I was hearing. I mean, let's not forget that UEFA literally found Man City guilty of breaches and were expelled from European competition for 2 years before they avoided it by paying 30 million. Not something an innocent party would do.
@@VirtualJames7was a legal deal tho
Rory shouldn't be representing Chelsea fans.
I was waiting for this comment, Rory and Shaun are too negative
Unfortunately we have no choice 😂
at least hes honest
he's actively rooting for Chelsea to fail
How he gets airtime is beyond me. He's just a clickbait youtuber and proper fans see it.
Ffs why you choosing Rory to represent us Chelsea fans. There are many others, George Bensen, Younis, Maatisse, Joey Knight. Anyone but Rory please
So annoying to hear him 😢
Because they are banking on him saying something stupid and outrageous that they can use for clickbait. They know too that this guy is a clown
George Benson? The singer? I guess Chelsea FC is "the greatest love of all" to him 😂
If City's titles were stripped and relegated to the Football League like they should be, it would be the best thing that ever happened to the Premier League.
I would be so so happy
Well it’s not the players faults though is it ? It would be unfair on the players and fans , not their fault they’ve corrupt owners if found guilty
@@markillingworth1972 their 'fans' will just support whoever else starts winning everything
Buvey making a fool of himself as usual. Everytime someone criticises Man City he brings up Man Utd. 🤦🏻♂️
These pundits seem to not understand Sir Alex's famous words: "Attack wins you games, but defence wins you leagues"
And how many leagues have this Arsenal side won thanks to their defence?
Well one of the pundit is playing under sir Alex
@@4lj4zzlooool with sol Campbell and adams at the back lol 😅
Did arsenal win the league last season
@@killuaHxH even more surprising that he doesn't get it
“How dare do Arsenal use our own tactics against us”
When have City ever performed like complete rats and completed 0 passes in an entire half?
@@ironheade22city did complete 115 passes.
@@blackteanchills2543😂😂😂😂😂
@@blackteanchills2543 write that one yourself? Or copied from the other Indians?
@@ironheade22 weak comeback, just like city
Clive represents Arsenal so well. A no BS, no non-sense kind of guy👌
You could have Troopz or DT representing Arsenal fans?!
@@georgeforrester462hell no
Please keep Clive all day everyday
Still deluded but helps he can speak English
@@ZolaMagic25nothing he said was deluded
Clive is an absolute gem. Clear, concise, considerate. Next to an oxygen thief Buvey, there is no scale for comparison
I liked Paul Scholes as a player but I totally disagree about almost everything that he said about Manchester United players. De Light is way way better player than Maguire, Garnacho is better player than Rashford. It is obvious that Svholes is bias, prefers British players. Sorry Mr Scholes but your comments don’t make lots of sense.
That why he got sacked as a coach of oldham after three games
Paul Scholes, the audacity to say that we went to Etihad and did the same thing as last year.. which game was this man watching? Only the second half?
These lot wanted Arsenal to open up and let city score 5 or 6 goals and spend all week glazing them. Not anymore lads.
That’s what yous all wanted Chelsea to do when they were winning every week with Jose
@@craigoneill2216 Mourinho hasn't been at Chelsea in 10 years what are you even waffling about
@@AM-cp6cz I’m waffling about hypocrisy you dope
@@craigoneill2216nobody hated mourinho except pep fangirls in the ucl.
'Not anymore lads' you sound traumatised 🤣
Clive is a top fella, holds a conversation very well
Can't believe they have let rory and buvey on first time I've seen them on for ages represent both clubs very poorly.
It’s a pathetic attempt to bring in their respective social media audiences to boost eyeballs - it’s not based on any intellectual or analytical merit
Bovey at least knows he's trolling. Rory is just genuinely clueless.
Rory's first contribution "Apart from the first game we lost, we are unbeaten" 😂😂 What an excellent contribution thanks lad
I’m convinced Rory doesn’t watch Chelsea play get him out
Stop using Jennings to represent us
Microcosm merchant
Buvey, Rory and Adam Mckola in the same room. Mix that with Carragher's instigation and Schole's weird takes on football. I can't take it 😅🤦🏻♂️
Rory is insufferable!!
don't watch then...
@@dontbewoke I actually stopped after a few minutes in
You took enough to watch and leave a comment though😅
@@bigmitchtv3922 yeah and?
Clive is fantastic. He is proper fair not a TikTok kid like Buvey.
They need Alice on for Man Utd analysis.
Agreed. McKola is a bit of a wet lettuce and won't go against the grain at all regarding Utd
" Alice " 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
She's literally a tiktok analysis. 😂
I don't know why Rory is picked to represent us he is a absolute clown...
@@TheEliteBaller2023 Alice is sound and mostly not biased.
Jamie: "Buvey, give us a TWERK!!!" LMAO🤣🤣🤣
The arsenal guy knows his stuff good to listen to , people say he's boring but he talks the most sense
Buvey knows very little about everything. Tries to link Klopp’s Liverpool to Bill Shankly 😅 but doesn’t know about George Graham? Get these know littles of our screens. There’s so little knowledge & they’re ruining what the game is.
The comparison with Shankly's team was laughable. different teams
I was thinking the same, great comment.
My thoughts exactly, Arsenal's most famous song is '1-0 to the Arsenal.
Like, comparing Graham with Shankly in itself is a complete joke. It'd be like saying Cruyff with Barca and comparing him with Graham ffs. Daft comparison.
@@LoCoAde87 not sure I understand your comment but to clarify. Buvey draws a link to how Liverpool play historically to show that they haven’t deviated from it but neglects that Arsenal were known as a defensive team before Wenger - so saying that Arsenal are somehow disgraceful for playing a style not in their DNA shows he’s cherry picking “history”.
115 FC
0 UCL fc
@@Squidward-jv7go it's 130 now
Clive is such a great rep for Arsenal. Speaks with poise, balance and class. Buvey on the other hand.. city fans should be embarrassed of him
Rangers didn’t get relegated. They got liquidated and had to apply to renter the Scottish football pyramid.
7 out of 9 is disappointing for scholes... Keep that energy for Manchester United mateyyy
Rodri will be back in time for City’s first game against Stoke City in the championship next season.
Fingers crossed 🤞 😂😂
hahahha😅😅😅
They will need him. Stoke is a tough place to go.
which nothing team do you support we are waiting dont bottle it please tell
@@thedean4431 rattled
We can see why scholes isn't a manager
Comparing the City situation to Rangers/Celtic is ridiculous. The Scottish league had two teams that matter, one was dropped to the bottom league, the Premier League has teams that finish 7th and win the Champions league. If the City left the league it would only be bad for City, the league itself would carry on as normal.
It still puts a huge question mark over the integrity of the league though.
@@Birl Not at all, if the charges stick then punishments apply. They can't potentially commit 115 charges and be given a slap on the wrist if they stick, rules are rules and a clubs achievements shouldn't lessen them.
Which team was 7th and won UCL?
@@Birl the only questions will be about Man City's integrity and the trophies they've 'won'.
@@jakehowie442 in fairness that one is my bad, I thought Chelsea did it while they were dropping off. The pandemic years all blur into a 12 month period for me 🤣 but still the quality between the two leagues can't be compared, Scottish league has two teams, PL has the big six and others creeping in too.
Martyn holding back the tears as he has to say that Chelsea have been clever with abiding by FFP/PSR rules.
Buvey talking nonsense. "Couldn't even beat us without Rodri" - WE HAD LESS PLAYERS ON THE FIELD 😂
Fewer, not less
Whys rory representing chelsea again hes clueless
Clive's shoe size is higher then the combined IQ in that room.
He's in the room too though
@@Interstellar83516Got em 😂
It’s because he came with a calm voice and he had valid debates with reasons to them, where as buvey just spoke pure waffle
@@Interstellar83516 you'd make a great guest.
Except Clive's IQ
Scholes: “Arsenal haven’t started well they haven’t looked good” 11 out of 15 points. 7 of those points coming from Villa away, Spurs away and City away.
Also Schloes: “Arsenal can’t win a league on set pieces” Scored 8 goals and 2 of them are set pieces.
All these ex United players analysis when it comes to Arsenal is so basic and clearly from a bias standpoint.
It's Scholes, he hates Arsenal more than any other club. This whole format is a northern circlejerk
Well if they're trying to win the league, 11/15 points is 73%
Man city have won the last 4 with 90 points on average, that's 90 out of a possible 114, or 79%
So no, that's not good enough from Arsenal..
@@JuT11correct enough said
Well if you want to use statistics then city's win percentage without Rodri would mean they'll finish around 80 points so they won't win the league
@@JuT11 youre comparing completely different samples lol. you should be comparing arsenals first 5 with how they look like when man city played them last year but then obvs flipping the city vs arsenal fixture. city's percentage is lower.
Disappointed that no one was able to articulate the fairly simple arguments needed to refute what Buvey said
Clicks onto video, discovers that they've selected Rory Jennings to represent Chelsea.
Immediately switches off video.
Buvey just doesn't get it, IF city have cheated, and while it hasn't been proven, it seems likely that they have fiddled the books. If they are guilty, then they cheated, which diminishes their achievements. Were they a nice side to watch,sometimes, but as Chloe says, how good does Jurgen look being able to challenge them so consistently
No it doesn't. The rules are completely arbitrary.
Football is won on the pitch. Whether people were getting brown envelopes doesn't count.
@@archaicraptureso zero rules ?
@@archaicrapture So you'd have no problem if the refs were getting brown envelopes? What you gonna do when Newcastle start handing out bigger brown envelopes than you?
Didn’t realise city had 12 players on the picture… literally all the top 6 have got a higher net spend than us yet we’re the cheats and it’s all based on loads of money. I don’t hear Chelsea getting a load of abuse they’ve literally just spent £1.5b in 2 seasons we’ve never done anything anywhere near that… how do you think the red cartel got to where they are in the first place loads of money being pumped in and now it’s the other way around they don’t like it. FFP was brought in the protect the big clubs, why are all the small clubs getting charged, wake up?
If any one in the media read the CAS docs stating ‘no evidence’ then people might have different views. Have you ever seen anyone int he media actually break the charges down and explain them, wouldn’t that be a good place to start…but no a complete agenda that were already guiltily.
Hefty fine of 2500 GBP and 2 point deduction incoming.
I doubt it will be a points deduction. They didnt really do that back then
For Everton?
Settle down mate that’s way too big
2 point deduction amortized over the next 10 seasons
Hopefully a transfer ban for several seasons or fine them heavily so they have no money to spend. If they get a deduction and relegated it just ruins the competition in the Championship
"Arsenal still couldn't beat this city side without Rodri in the 2nd half".. it was 10 Vs 11 and we still got a draw you absolute melt 🤦 these city fans are something else 😂😂😂
City fans don’t claim him
Lool yeah that is such a silly statement
If only they didn't score in the last minute. What would be the argument then? City fans aren't football fans they're glory hunters and nation state shills
I thought the same 😆
Seems Buvey has rattled arsenak fans 😂😂😂
Clive is the only one talking with some sense here😂
buvey and rory are the jamie o'haras of their respective football clubs.
The narrative of Arsenal not scoring enough goal was the same story last season before Christmas...
And still they scored 91 second to city
You guys just hate Arsenal
did they win the league? no, then it wasn't enough was it?
How much is enough then? Cause for me, enoigh points is winning the league mate😂😂😂 but if you're happy with 2nd best then I guess it's fine
@@edrahimovic no one wants to be second
But when you look at the city team and how stacked with quality player the team is, Arsenal are pushing way above their weight trying to compete with city
@@kentucky9992 agree 100% and for the record I have nothing but respect for Arsenal and especially Arteta but like Scholes said, its not enough, because enough would be as many as, or more than City and win you the league
@@xiz0808 Arsenal won 18 of their 20 league games after Christmas last season losing 1 and drawing with city but it still wasn't enough because to win this city team you need perfection wish is near impossible with the squad Arsenal have
Basically what i'm getting is: Everything is ok until Arsenal do it. Complaining about referees? Fine until it's Arsenal. Defending?? Fine until it's Arsenal. Faking cramp? It's smart until Arsenal does it. It's so clear
Don't forget celebrating. You're not allowed do that either. I've been envious of how Arsenal have developed in the last few years.
This hate wagon gets more and more ridiculous ngl.
What Arsenal are doing is not smart though. They've had two players sent off, probably costing them four points, because of time wasting or gamesmanship in situations where it was unnecessary.
What about city still surrounding the ref
Exactly 💯
Arsenal haven’t lost this season . Why are these scumbags shading like arsenal been losing all season .. arsenal went on to beat Aston and tot on their turfs , drew man city at home ,,7points out of possible 9 ..
Chloe as a representative for Liverpool fans showcases they'll bring any tool onto the show with a lack of knowledge
Stop inviting Rory on, he is not a spokesman for our club.
Rory is an absolute weapon but he's nothing more than one guy waffling
Why are Buvey, Jennings and McKola on here absolute melts
Mckola has always been on here tbf.
@@jonathanjayreader Still a melt tbf
I have to set I don’t think McKola is anywhere near as insufferable as the other two. Wouldn’t miss him but the other two are brain damage ok anything they’re on. No idea how they get so many gigs.
@@daviebananas1735 look at the comments section. This is why they’re on because people hate them and angrily send comments about how much they hate them. Like old school WWE heels. It’s just the world we live in today unfortunately.
Arsenal are so defensive they only scored 91 goals last year.
He only said they are not good going foward this season what wrong with that
@@andrewwright4195 spurs, villa Brighton and city
Well we have had the hardest fixtures in the league. Give it another 15/20 games then we have a clear data stat for all the teams.
@@johnmulandi54 so we going blame opponents why arsenal can't attack?
@@andrewwright4195 yes that’s right, they’ve not scored any goals this year and didn’t score two against City!
Buvey turned into Ty there "are you a lawyer?"
Carra mentioning Slot in the second best manager in the PL discussion and failing to mention Ten Hag is crazy, won more in Holland and won a trophy each of his 2 seasons in the Prem
Buvey is a character, he's a persona. Bordering on satire, modelled on a RUclips facsimile of Alan Partridge. Brilliant parody.
“Arsenal are cheats” says John Stones as he collects his wages in a bin bag
probably collects his wages in oil barrels honestly
▪︎Arsenal conspired Super League
▪︎City collapsed Super League
▪︎PL let off S.League conspirators
▪︎PL press 115 Charges on City?😂
@@HumanBeingsRThinkingBeingsExcept Xuty also conspired to start the Super League.
LMAO
@@HumanBeingsRThinkingBeings Chelsea were the first English club to indicate they wouldn't be taking part before City jumped in and made it official
Buvey the only one embarrassing 😂😂 YNWA
Always is
Chloe is a gem. So well-spoken.
How many City fans agree with Buvey?? He is talking pure cap!!😂😂😂
All of them it seems like, they are all just Saudis in disguise
They probably all agree with him because they’re in denial about the fact they cheated. They’d still be in the relegation battle if they never had the oil money and they all know that but can’t bring themselves to accept it.
Buvey needs to be removed from these platforms, the drivel he produces is mind numbing and boring along with the arrogance too! 🗑️
Imagine being related to him
Granacho has scored 3 in 2 games but also got 2 assists so I don’t see the big deal with Rashford being rotated. Some people need to get a grip and just say you don’t like the manager 😂
Oh dear Rory Jennings, this guy's absolutely clueless.
Buvey and Rory on this is a recipe for disaster and I’m here for it hahahahaha
Here for the tedious chat and boring uneducated opinions? Get them off.
rory is a traitor
Scholes, is such a downer. Arsenal scored 91 goals last year mate. They’ve literally had the toughest 5 games you could have at the start of the season against 4 sides that were in the top 4 last year, 1 being champions and 1 of them being the European champions and won 3 of them no losses. Talk about being pessimistic.
Carra painting Arsenal in a negative way. Thanks to Clive for representing us in the best way possible.
Arsenal draw 2-2 to city, away from home - and they talk about how poorly we played, yet Liverpool lose 1-0 at home to forest, and they think they can win the league?
Brooooooo 😂😂😂😂😂 wtf!!!!!😂😂😂😂😂 like its a comedy show init
The point still stands tho?@@Smokingfine
@@Adam22457 I agree with u matey lol
How is Clive so clear of everyone else in the room
Guy was an actual coach with academy players - knows the game at a much deeper level.
Liverpool under Klopp from 2017-2023 vs City at the Etihad:
0 wins
2 draws
4 losses
18 goals conceded
5 goals scored
Why has it become a requirement for Arsenal to win at the Etihad, but when it’s Liverpool a draw is enough?
Go and ask Arsenal fans if they would prefer ‘pretty football’ under Wenger and finish 4th or play defensively minded football under Arteta and win the league, they’ll all say the latter.
The same was said last szn about our lack of goals, from January onwards we lost 1 game and drew 1, one rule for Arsenal, another for rivals, it’s pathetic.
Champions League?
@CCCoNeTiMe he's referring to league games even if you add champions league, liverpool only got 1 win there in 2018
3 draws*
Also, in 2019/20 league was done before the city game at Etihad
@@rjtksingh nope 2 draws, says 2017-2023, doesn't include last seasons draw
Scholes' take on De Ligt is crazy, I completely agree with Adam
Scholes and Carra are a decent pair tbh 👌
Convicting Man City if they have not respected the laws, would actually validate the integrity of the league. If anyone is guilty, they should be punished, regardless of the size of the team, or their achievements.
Only Buvey is capable of getting the heat in comments when Rory Jennings is also involved in the discussions, that takes some doing.
Demotion to the League 1 is not enough if City are found guilty. They should be banned from competing for 2 years and demoted on top of that. A demotion for these owners would mean that the investments would be worth it. Because they can easily make sure they have a good enough squad to go straight back up. That would only be a minor setback. Strip the titles too ofc.
This is vile take. They haven't even done anything wrong as the rules are braindead
@@ironheade22 Well if the owners have inflated the sponsorship deals with their own money it is a very big deal as it creates an unfair sporting advantage. So if they are found guilty on this my belief is that they will face a huge punishment. Then it's the case of not co-operating with the investigation. Which should also be punished hard imo. The economy of football needs to be controlled and the first step of that is to finish this case so that they can focus on implementing better financial structures of the PL. If the clubs keep growing their economy in this pace it will soon be unavailable for middle class people.
@@vonpiit The rules mean that the clubs that already had the most money could be the only ones allowed to spend the most forever, with no other club having the possibility of catching up. The point of FFP is to give an unfair sporting advantage to the elite clubs. Therefore, City disregarding these dumb rules is for the good of the league and any punishment, no matter how small, would be completely unjustified. City's punishment for non-cooperation in the UEFA case was fairly minor compared to what UEFA wanted to charge them with, so it may be likely that the same thing will happen again.
@@ironheade22 This sounds like a wild conspiracy theory. If the integrity of the sport should be kept you have to regulate the top clubs then. Not have one club break the law just because they don't agree with it. Sounds like one case is argued for City being innocent from breaking the rules, then another case is argued for why they did. It's contradicting. Let's just wait and see what the outcome will be of this case and then discuss what to do with the rest of the league. Surely an independent regulator doesn't sound so bad.
No, it would ruin the competition in whichever league. Transfer ban or huge fine so they can't operate in the transfer market
It's not Jose Mourinho's influence with Mikel Arteta, it's David Moyes. Don't know why everyone's ignoring that part of his career.
"Oh, awesome! A new Overlap episode!"
*clicks on, see's Rory Jennings*
"Ah well, nevermind."