Tearing Apart Our New House || Was This A Big Mistake?
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Your definition of "cabin" is in a different tax bracket than mine.
Ya you call that a cabin. 😅
Yeah that's a nice house not a cabin
As a structural engineer, yes that beam may have been for a door header but its primary purpose was to replace the roof rafter that you found. The planks spanned over that interior panel and the 2x4 transferred the load vertically to the monster beam. The reason the stud didnt pinch on the blade is because there was likely very little snow on the roof. Youll want to get thay rafter installed ASAP so your roof doeswnt cave in if you have a snowstorm.
Was thinking the same thing. If it is sized for snow load then it probably wouldn’t have any sag without snow.
@@patricksheehy5869 the next question is why take out the rafter in the first place? I bet they could've put in the door header without compromising the roof structure.
Is it possible that the plywood made this a sheer wall and that it should not have been removed?
@@user-cg4yz5nf8c shear walls go to the ground and into the foundation. If they end on beams they're often too flexible when under wind or earthquake loads per code. He can take the plywood off but he shouldn't have removed the beam and vertical studs without temporarily shoring his roof planks first. Right now, all thats holding up the roof at that location looks like a couple of 2x4s on the flat instead of a larger rafter.
Genius woodworker, should not be doing demo on a house.@@user-cg4yz5nf8c
Architect: That was almost certainly a bearing beam. That sort of framing (I think of it as Acorn Deck House framing but its relatively common in contemporary construction from that era) uses wider spaced heavy rafters that are designed to be exposed, and then generally furrs them on top with perpendicular framing (usually 2x6s or 2x8s, sometimes heavier cedar or something) that span the ~4'-0" between rafters. Usually will find rigid insulation between the 2x6s/2x8s for ceiling insulation. Roof sheathing on top of that. The builder omitted the rafter from above that wall to save cost, and just used the (what used to be exterior) wall to support at that line. You don't see sagging because that perpendicular framing is still supporting the dead load of the roof, but its now spanning twice what it was designed for (8'-0" instead of 4'-0"). You'll want to figure out how to support that line, probably by installing a rafter that spans support to support like the others, or you may be in for a bad time next time theres a bunch of snow on the roof.
He's already got a rafter beam lined up 👍
When I watched cut that beam, it made me cringe. That needs to be put back.
i also think its a load bearing beam and a shear wall (exterior plywood is often used for a shear wall)
Yes, the snow load was my first thought.
I don't think theres a shear issue. That corner room was almost certainly a covered/screened porch in the original design and was later enclosed into finished space. So shear strength was gained when that happened (due to sheathing what used to be open walls). Additionally, to get much shear strength from the panel above the beam that was removed would require some meat (prob 18-24") at the sides to transfer lateral loads to the foundation, which I saw no signs of. Its possible it was part of some comprehensive system (the header transferring loads to an interior shear line) but adding the rafter like Casey said they are planning should solve that anyway. Houses of that era almost never considered lateral loading at all.
That entire side of the house was an extension. It explains why there is a doorway under the staircase that seems to be a little "off".
As someone living in the less spacious Old World, we call a bathroom that is not attached to a bedroom... A bathroom. En suite bathrooms get called out as a luxury option, and the rest of us make do with "communal" (or family) bathrooms.
headers are not just for a door to have an opening or place to attach to, a header actually takes the load from above and transfers it to the sides and down (normally) Jack and King studs. That header looks very beefy, there is no way it was there just to hang a door. I would get a structural engineer out ASAP and look at the situation and draw up some corrective plans.
I agree. But in this situation where is the load coming from ?
@@Shaolinbody the roof, along with expected snow load
I'm looking at that dumpster and seeing enough free wood to use for templating and small builds that would last for years! 14:30
Someone call Matthias Wandel 😁
Free as long as you don't mind all the work to remove nails
Ditto. The bookshelves looked pretty nice to me. Someone could have upcycled those. But arranging that takes time away from demo and construction.
Would you be able to go to the local planning dept and see if the original plans are on file. Might give you some insight, or perhaps there was a development permit for improvements. I replace main bath and rather than going over the screws that hold the new shower enclosure with drywall, I used a 1 x 4 moulding which will be screwed on and cover the screw heads with decorative caps in the even someone needs to remove it later. Makes it much better to look at. Can't wait to see the next bit of progress.
Go to the local planning office or building department or whatever. They should have the original plans for the house. It'd be fun to know if that room was an addition or whatnot.
hope you are donating some of the demo stuff to Habit for Humanity or other charity but it's @ 9:20 in video and just noticed the comment before me talking about the dumpster and free wood / recycle/reuse/repurpose Donate!
pro tip when taking out base boards . razor knife the seam between the wall and the top edge of the trim. it will safe the paper on your drywall from tearing.
There was a load calculation done on that span that required that beam to be that size for a reason... Yes that was an exterior wall at one point no doubt... That rafter beam was removed, (why? I cant figure that out? seems odd the flashing and insulation were left yet the rafter beam was cut when it could have been just left in place behind the drywall???) and an engineer ran the calculations and decided for that span and load from the upper structure with snow load required a beam or "header" of that size to replace that rafter for a reason.... Your going to need to replace that rafter ... Since it was cut at both ends your going to need to add some support all the way to the foundation to carry the load....This in not wood working, this is construction... If you ever tear into a wall, and see anything other than a doubled up 2x4 as a top plate... Your are 99% of the time dealing with something that is load bearing, and should consult an engineer unless you know what you what your doing.. Wood working? you know what your doing and you have some serious talent, hence my sub.... Construction and demo? yanking out that beam makes me worry....Ignorance is nothing to be afraid of, read your comments, Im not the first person to realize your mistake... were not calling you out to me mean, were trying to help... Get that squared away bud... Personally Id scrub this video until you do.. If that roof fails your insurance company has all the proof they need summed up very nicely to deny your claim..
22:00 to 22:30 - My favorite part of the video. Poorly installed electrical wiring + shower = bad idea. Bullet dodged... barely. Good work!
You should have an electrician kill power to the house before you start. Wires, outlets and switches from 1976 have to go. I'd be shocked if Oregon code permitted their salvage with that much demo. BTW there's nothing wrong with wire behind a shower its got to go somewhere and as I said a smart demo guy...
Exact same thing happened when we went to replace a similar style shower. They had run a couple 110 lines behind the shower and our contractor sawed right into them. luckily the sawzall kept them from being electrocuted but lesson learned. shut off power at least to that part of the house when pulling those things out.
I would consider adding a toilet to the laundry room. It is really convenient to have a bathroom on that level and to be able to use it before you leave the house. You could add the kind of toilet where the sink is built on top of the tank--saves water and space so it could even go into that closet.
The enclosure was probably an outside garden that got closed. Great stuff.
Can't wait to see how it turns out. Have you checked with the county to see if the original blue prints for this house are available ? It would be interesting to see how much it's actually been modified. Might also help you with relocating things to where they actually should be (stairs, kitchen, etc).
2:30 Why wouldn't you insulate interior walls?
It stops rooms from cooling out to much and keeps the heating bill lower
Ah yes. Carpet in the bathroom. A classic. Also, love your humor, always fun to watch!
The Plumber will drill holes in those beams no problem you can put. A few hottubs in that roof.
It was quite common in the 70s to have outdoor spaces under the overhang on the main roof. My parents house even had had an interior outdoor courtyard in the center, if that makes sense. It was also common to close those spaces in to the roof line. Resulting in all sorts of exterior wall finishes, brick, plywood, plaster, … in parts on the house.
A maul is not the best way to demo. You're likely to hurt yourself, especially if you're not used to swinging it. My preferred demo tools are recip saw (Sawzall you called it), a wrecking bar, an 18" Pry bar (craftsman 6577, have fun finding one) and a marless (rubber) mallet. It's faster, easier, and safer, plus instead of destroying stuff you can preserve it, someeone can use it. I use the mallet to force the prybar behind things without destroying my hearing.
I was leading a team doing a conversion in a church building, had a fellow - a walking disaster - removing the fiberglass tub with a recipe saw. Suddenly a loud Shhhhhhhhhh! - thought he'd cut a water line, so we cut off the main valve. Still Shhhhhhh! but not as loud by then, and it finally wound down, no flood. When we got the tub out, it turned out the A/C hi pressure line - full of liquid freon, the old stuff that's really good for the environment - was right behind the tub, and Mr. Disaster had cut it, venting the whole charge. Somewhat better than cutting a 120v and frying the worker I suppose.
Blah, blah, blah
Sorry... But cutting up those fiberglass showers is the only way to get them out! I have one and the door is only a 24" door, but I cut the shower in the corners where you are less likely to cut anything important.
@@OldsmobileCutlass1969Va I agree. Gotta cut it out. Cutting in the corner is a good idea - probably not foolproof, but I don't have anything better to offer.
Omg that bathroom electric! I demo'd my 1940s last year and didn't use a saw for that reason
Get yourself a borescope brother! We need you around. I just saved myself with a similar situation but trying to make an attic access. The amount of half-assery by the electrician just above where I was going to cut was mind-boggling. A borescope let me see it before sending the sawsall up.
Hi Jason, just a suggestion or two for ya. Get rid of that doorway under the stairs and make the office and bedroom into a master suite. (Bedroom,bathroom,walk in robe.) That brickwork is hideous! I,m a retired bricklayer. Cover it up with some stone. It’ll look great with the vaulted ceilings. Talking of the ceilings, they are very 1970’s. I had the same I’m my last house so I painted the whole ceiling one colour to make the beams “disappear “. It worked a treat.
Good luck with it all. Michael.
It's a nice house and in super good condition considering it's age. Not a fan of the stairs or placement of the stairs. Curious question, what is the box/cabinet beside the fire place? are you leaving that? I agree with you though, a total gut job. It's time to make it new and pretty again.
It's called an addition, real simple to figure out........
Your correct this was a old porch they enclosed,it was quite common when they designed these houses. When I was a kid we saw alot of these being converted for more space,i was lucky to be a kid with adult friends that cleaned many of these houses. Your going to sure enjoy seeing the house become more open and light.
As talented as you and all your friends our you couldn’t find the shut off to the main water line from outside? Can’t wait to see what you do with this place it’s going to be awesome.
Jason and team. Great work, love a bit of destruction! 😈
I'm not a structural engineer (but in my humble opinion) it would be a really good idea to engage with professional qualified engineers, especially as any structural modifications, plumbing, electrics, insulation etc etc etc , add infinitum, you make will have to comply with your local building regulations to get certified sign off! Just my rambling thoughts, not criticisms. 🙂
I look forward to my Saturday morning coffee watching Bourbonmoth 👍🏻👍🏻
Me too! I just started watching! I've had that same splitting maul for 36 years!
Yup me too!
You could try looking into historical listings for the property. You might be able to see a change in listed square footage that can confirm the suspicions of that room being a later addition.
Your friends are awesome, I hope that you treated them well!
At 14:05.. What the heck was the wire through the wall and plugged into an outlet LOL
Saw and wondered same thing.
Those electric wires in the bathroom wall remind me of the eletrics in my house. Old house (from 1877), that my wife and I bought 3 years ago. My friend and I have put in new wires in, almost the whole house - which has let to new ceilings and walls in some rooms.
Keep it coming, it is very entertaining. 👍👍👍... and take care.
I could be because I was born in the 70s but I quite liked it the way it was, you get more stuff in your dumpster if you brake it up there were a few cabinets chucked in whole.
Built in bunk beds, made of Maple.
Is the cabin on a lake? What amenities are in the area?
A reason for someone to visit?
What does the negiborhood think of what your planing id get some feedback on it, maybe find someone in the area to manage it.
Someone to clean up after renters
Can make sure the house wasn't trashed, and can kick them out if nessary. You also need a lawyer to draw up an agreement of rental giving you total authority to kick them out without going to court.
People have been known to vacation rent themselves into permently none paying tenets.
That insulation could well have been used to zonalise the heating. Previous owners may have wanted to heat the upstairs balcony area without heating all of that huge ceiling area beyond. That could have been the entire purpose of that divide. I really don't think it would have been an outside wall.
That said, it would probably have been a good idea to get the opinion of a structural engineer before taking those dividers down, just in case they were put in retrospectively to augment the structure.
that beam is way bigger than a door header. you shoulda got an engineer out before it got taken out, its a rafter replacement and doing a bit more
Great project!
14:00 yes this, 14:45 also yes this
I know it would be work, but any way the stairs would fit if you rotated them against the other “exterior” wall in the living room? Maybe build some neat storage under them that way. They seem very narrow and take up the entire hallway
Rafter layout suggests beam is structural. Consult Structural Engineer; insert new rafter to match the others. Probably. That's not advice.
This is awesome! So glad you're making these videos.
Much Better!
You may be able tomgetnahold of local municipalities and see if any permits were submitted for changes to the house, as they may have needed inspection. Could be an avenue into seeing what may have happened to the house
Definitely looks better!
Looks so good ! Nice work !! 🥰
Thank you for sharing!
Great way to start the day!
It iss looking awesome! Great buy on this one!
"Main Bath" Not to be confused with the Maine Bath, which is located above the New Hampshire bath...
looking awesome...love the whole open floor and kitchen.
That ply makes me nervous. Are you certain it’s not a shear wall? That’s a typical application of plywood on interior walls, to add rigidity and increase structural strength. Earthquake preparedness and IBC code. Did you have a structural engineer look at it and say it was okay to remove?
Maybe, but a shear wall wouldn’t need insulation, right?
Bahahahahaha!!!! Cabinets as soft as their meatballs!!!! That’s so accurate!!!! Laughed my ass off at that one!!! Classic Jason!!!! Love it!!😂😂😂😂
Yep, I would look at what was holding that beam up and see if it extends to the foundation. If so that was put there to hold up a bulk of structure.
I would be nervous as well, but since it was exterior previously it's no too concerning. That means the walls on the other side were added and they are adding shear strength to replace the one he took out. And significantly more shear than was original because it's a solid wall, not with a huge door.
Code is gay.
good luck with the project.
I bet that toilet carpet smelled lovely
Superb! All the information and extremely well presented. Thank you.
I always hang out for your uploads on a Saturday night, great way to end my evening.
This project rocks
Looking forward to the cabin series.
looking forward to the next one
Best of luck
Well, I’m looking forwards to the updates. Keep ‘em coming Jason 🌞
Looking forward to the next video
I did a restoration of a similar house and that was a porch.
I really enjoy house remodeling. Really looking forward to this series.
Ahhhh 1976 Season 2 of Starsky and Hutch.
Highly recommend you consult with an engineer before you start taking beams down! Pay now, or pay twice later!
that metal was used a lot between 50s-70s on interior walls
Looking forward to the upcoming vids. Watching from the UK.
It might be a mistake. By the time you get that fixer upper in shape to rent you’ll be out 6 figures. You’ll need to keep it rented to make your monthly mortgage if you are carrying one. Good luck.
We had a trash compactor when I was a kid. The reason is because the amount of trash you were allowed to put out was really small. There were only three of us, but it was quite difficult to stay within the limits without it.
That beam and the studs above it were carrying the load for your missing rafter. Without that rafter that span looks concerning
Very informative. Boy did you take more than a mouthful. Good luck and God Bless😊
Always consult a structural engineer before removing structural elements and when doing so prop the roof first before removing.
I would take down the entry hallway/kitchen wall down and get countertop separation going on there to get an even bigger open space. We never know what kind of surprise we're gonna find in a demo, I'm sure we all have some weird stories about it !!!
❤ loved it!!!
Love all your eclectic content. It’s a bit of everything which is what I’ve always “specialized” in personally. 😁
LOL this was so fun!
Should totally make a dining table out of tht beam :p
I genuinely don't get how houses are built in the US. They all look so... Flimsy? Most houses seems to be built from wood and with 'minimum' strength and cost as the main priority. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love this project but I'm just... Worried.
Speaking of worried, I'd replace that beam in the living room asap. Don't know why, buy it makes me kinda nervous. Why was that done in the first place?
It really helps to do this house renovation when you're handy like you are and have the tools to do it with. Looking forward to the next video. Keep it up!
I dunno if I’ve ever been so glued to a “vlog series” I’m really excited to watch this come together
Wow, that is going to be so much work. I know it will look good when you are done.
Demo is always fun! And like you said, you get to finally see the blank slate. Good luck, and looking forward to more updates.
Watched over lunch break of my home demo. Yours is easy. My house is at least 100 years older with a few repairs by previous owners.
I see you kept Kokopelli and his buddy on the walls, so the SW is still repped! Demo ALWAYS reveals some sort of weird, stupid, or (occasionally) really cool stuff. My current house always reveals something to me - usually bad or expensive. You got SO lucky with that carpet though! I have vivid memories of scooting around my floors like a dog pulling up staples.
Nice decision on everything especially that box upstairs.
My house was built around the same period and the attic is like an archeological record of all the additions. I think back then they started with what they could afford then added rooms as times got better.
I love this project, keep it coming. Hopefully you kept one toilet and sink.
Loving this series! One thing I noticed was the horizontal rungs around the stairs. That is basically a ladder for a child to climb.
The heated driveway is a plus!
In the 80’s my uncle lived in Connecticut, and the town limited the number of bags of trash they’d pick up each week. So everyone bought compactors so that they could get more garbage per bag.
Jacked Jason....WOOHOO! Great job on the air b&b and you've shown you are the consummate professional carpenter. I am amazed at how calm you are with that wiring fiasco behind a SHOWER! - scary what else is lurking? Looking forward to your next vids on this and the Airstream! Cheers and love your content!
finding a pile of wires was way scarier than finding a pile of mouse poop. which is what I thought it was until you pointed out the wires. good thing I'm not in charge.
"I wasn't sent here to question, I was sent here to destroy." -- saved quote for later!
Oh good , I've been wondering about that house since you showed it before.
You can't take out the beam! It's a calorie tie or it should be
Having just completed an addition and remodeling of my house.... I feel for you. I still suffer PTSD from the demolition.... and the lack of any square and plumb existing walls to build off of... and hidden gems in walls... and the contractor and sub contractor issues. But it was a lot of fun watching your demo and a lot of the same crazy problems. THANKS!
I’d be interested in renting it for a weekend at some point. We live near Tacoma, it could be a cool weekend getaway
i am quick jealous of how easily that carpet came up. I did not have that experience. my back still hurts from being bent over yanking staples out of subfloor.
14:07... I love wall warts with cables that disappear into the wall, powering unknown things. Start your treasure hunt!