I think I'm going to wait before I make my final judgment. However, I think the evidence will speak louder than words. This case makes me very sad. Vinnie and Production did an amazing job with this video.
I think the media are twisting everything and adding fuel to the fire with ‘rumours and hearsay’! Think logically about what evidence they DONT have that they should have! No one can cause that kind of scene and leave only a trace of dna on a movable object that could’ve been placed there by the real person/people! People who have reason for their dna to already be all over that house that can be explained away! It’s never been said if that indeed matches the weapon that caused the injuries! Why have they still got Ethan’s golf clubs?!
I don’t think he could get down that dirt road with the snow because they don’t typically plow those roads. Could’ve been plowed tho. Look in to if the park was closed for the season, or if the road was closed to vehicles.
the greatest mystery about this case to me is how the killer got out of the crime scene without leaving a trail of blood they had to be covered with blood. they had to have the car covered in plastic, he had to have changed his clothes? How did he get his clothes out one of the roommates saw him did he have a bundle? Where did they get rid of all the protective gear, they must of had? I don't think he could have cleaned his that good it only takes a speck for LE to discover it.
The greatest mystery to me is why is legacy media trying so hard to frame Kohberger. He has proven precedent of running and driving at night. He has several people come forward to say they would go running, driving and star gazing with him. Why the is precedent or a pattern of behavoir evidence for the state but not for the defense? Why did the FBI A) pay a visit to the DNA expert, who was the states witness, when she testified there wasn't enough aleals to identify kohberger's DNA and the FBI strongly "encouraged" her to name kohberger's DNA by illegaly searching the father? B) why did they, the FBI, refuse to defend their electronic data "evidence" in court? Why did the state refuse to follow up on the other 3 unidentified DNA in the house? Why didn't the state go after the girls for cleaning up the crime scene? The site print wasn't seen by the naked eye. Only after luminal was used. Which means someone cleaned that crime scene. Why are they ignoring the fact that the roommate wore vans shoes; even has a photo of her wearing them on social media. Why why why is the state and media trying do hard to frame this guy.
Why are they ignoring the fact that two ppl were killed in a hit and run outside kohberger's apartment. Police parked behind kohberger boxing him in while working the scene & looking for the driver. Why haven't they used the neighbors video showing a white truck at the house until 4 am
29:50 the police were right outside his apartment building all night due to an accident, so where are the bodycams and car dash cams of all those officers and cars?
" the police were right outside his apartment building all night due to an accident " . What hours were they actually there and how close to his apartment ?
Has anybody checked his cell phone pinging over the previous months to see if he actually ever went there in the middle of the night? I'm no criminology expert, but that seems to be a great thing for investigators to look into.
I'm no criminology expert either but I think if I were and going to commit a crime like this, I wouldn't use my own car and drive around outside the crime scene for 15 minutes.
@@el34glo59The prosecutor said Bryan did not stalk the victims and that Bryan was not there 12 times as they claimed. The Public Prosecutor's Office invented several things to obtain the arrest warrant and now 1 year and 9 months later they confirmed that they lied to the PCA. That must be why the defense has already asked the prosecution to hand over what they have on Bryan and in 1 year and 9 months they haven't handed over anything. Bryan has been in prison for almost 2 years and the prosecution has not handed over the supposed evidence to the defense.
Well he’s not being accused because of his Google searches or because he was “driving around at night”. This is not about you. Keep on with your Google searches and your nightly drives.
@@z0mmbae I’m not implying he’s not guilty, I don’t think we’ve seen a fraction of the evidence they have in this case. My comment is only based on the guy in the video driving out to the park acting like it’s completely absurd to drive out to a closed park in the middle of the night. It was a joke
@jeanarnone3184 not only does that happen, but just because a gate is closed...doesn't mean you vant still go in. That gate is to stop cars from parking in the park's parking area, it doesn't stop people from walking in. People will park in front of the gate or along the road when a gate is closed and walk into the park to use it. The gate being closed doesn't mean much as far as I am concerned.
@@Shroomy801 Can’t you see how easy it would be to come up with that alibi and that it was his only option? His car was on video leaving his neighborhood, along with his phone pings, so he couldn’t say he stayed home. Not an option. He couldn’t say he was with anyone because there would be nobody to corroborate the story. His only options were to plead guilty or give that alibi.
@@Shroomy801 well that would make sense if he worked nights but he lectured and studied. I understand the hell of insomnia but it just seems odd that he took that trip to that house which he’d done many times (maybe he did work as a delivery service?) but there he wasn’t even super close to the campus. It’s such a small road and he can’t claim he didn’t know where the sororities were. He contacted one of the girls frequently even though he received nothing back. Why would you decide to just wander down your street putting things in neighbours bins when your own bin is right there? There are so many bizarre instances. The research was very strange but I’m a psychologist so I understand the depth of research needed to publish your study. The study itself has strange questions but we don’t have his hypothesis and what/if any outcome there was
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Excellent! Thank you. Best update ive seen yet! Thank you for being so thorough !
@@wholeshebang1 Right I am glad you noticed that. It was in fact a party house...I am guessing the Prosecution and those that want this settled, blame on Bryan and get rid of this mar on the University refer to it as it was a gathering house, instead of a party house.
My son takes walks at night because it's calming to him and he looks at the stars also. My 2 daughters take late night rides to a favorite lookout in the middle of nowhere to see the stars and moon. I love watching clouds at night when storms come in. The sky is a calming place to look at
I agree about him ditching knife and clothes on that loooong out of the norm route back to his apt. Most likely they will never will be found unless luckily by a farmer doing his fields or metal detecting peeps (knife) that do it as a hobby.
9:10 why are people fixated on stargazing, it said that he enjoyed doing that kind of stuff but didn’t say he’d done that that particular night…it only actually states he was driving….
@@LiarSlayer197nothing adds up! If you read the court documents and watch the hearings the lead investigator even admits the route in PCA was just what he thinks is a possibility and they don’t have his car on cctv and he doesn’t know much tbh… Then expert says he has exculpatory evidence that shows he was total other direction🙄 The lack of evidence is astounding but being overshadowed by media speculation! It’s mental how he’s even sat there still! If it is genuinely his DNA why won’t the hand over the full pathway of the journey that sheath took and who had access to it at what stage! The case is falling apart evidential wise piece by piece but being highlighted with hearsay by media!
@@bottlerocket3218seems like the alibi was established to coincide with the evidence that’s against him. He couldn’t deny that he wasn’t out that night so the defense had to create a bs alibi.
Im shocked that this guy could do this so quietly. Im amazed you can kill 4 ppl, none of them scream or make a noise to alert others and then you get out of there and back to your dorm.
The way the Elantra was driving around the neighborhood of the victims house ,sounds EXACTLY like the way a Door Dash delivery driver would be driving when trying to find a address. BK is smart enough to know his car would be seen on camera. What is not possible is how BK could commit these murders without leaving any blood trail including bloody footprints, within the time frame given of when the Elantra was first seen and leaving the crime scene. There isn't enough time . The surviving so-called, victims, are the most likely suspects because they had many hours to clean up evidence and cover up their involvement and come up with their lame excuses for doing NOTHING including not calling the police! There was NOT an 8 hour delay in calling the police, because neither "surviving victim" EVER CALLED! even after hearing what they heard and supposedly being so scared one claims to have been " frozen in shock" Her behavior makes ZERO sense and is total B S!! No one wants to believe what is SO OBVIOUS. Instead excuse after excuse has been made up for them! It's unbelievable!!!
This expert investigator Gray Hughes says he is 100% positive it was Bryan's car. And then goes on to say "he feels" it was him. I can agree that, based on the evidence, it is likely Bryan, but not beyond a reasonable doubt, which is less than 100%. Experts need to be careful with their words. The DNA evidence alone, is not 100%.
I agree, people need to be mindful with their words, but he's not an expert, he's a RUclipsr so his words don't hold as much weight as some other guests Court TV have on. He can basically say whatever he likes as his opinion without any repercussions
Just wait for all of the evidence to be presented!! The evidence already presented in the PCA paints a pretty clear picture that's for sure, but this is The USA and yet we can be convinced of his guilt already, he still needs a fair trial. All of the evidence and the arguments from the defense will be heard as it should. I'm sure more evidence against him exists. Praying justice will be served. Those young innocent souls deserve it. I have never been so emotionally vested in a case as I am this one. It is such a tragedy and so sad that this kind of evil exists. It does though. Praying for the families and their strength. Praying for justice.
thank you very much for clarification! I am from Germany and have no clue about the area. When they said the gate was closed, i looked up the opening hours of the park on google and it said its open from sun up to sun down. i looked up some pictures of the gate, too and it is actually very easy to just get in by foot.
@@cthruu6033 Right and I’m referring to the case as a whole. You can see what the vehicle is doing in this video. It was never claimed that they identified it through this video alone so why point out that you can’t identify the make and model from this video alone? In this video that you’re commenting under they’re discussing what the vehicle is doing not how you can easily identify it’s make and model. There’s more videos of the car…
@@curtf9813 The FBI expert said the car circling 1122 queen rd was a 2011-2013 Hyundai ELANTRA, he later said it could also be a 2014-2016 Hyundai ELANTRA, meaning it could be anywhere from a 2011-2016 Hyundai ELANTRA. The same FBI expert looked at the WSU footage and determined it was a 2015 Hyundai ELANTRA, which is Bryan’s car. So if the 2015 Hyundai ELANTRA couldn’t be a 2011-2013 model but the car circling 1122 Queen rd could be a 2011-2013 model, how are they the same car?
@@Steve-v4i they have clearer video of his car(bk) all the red light cameras the states use make out license plates and actually record them! They know how many times his car drove that route easy! If this case goes to trial which I doubt it's going to be fire! Imo I think bk will accept life without the possibility of parole once they get the Conclave family to also agree with the punishment!
Then he'll get a great big fat payout from the State, that's what. Trust me if cases were just brought to court with no evidence and no conviction the Country would be bankrupt by now. They got their man.
The fact that the front gate to the park is closed in the early morning hours is irrelevant.. It depends whether he was ‘star gazing’ just outside the park and parked his car outside. Or he parked outside and then walked into the park. That knife could be anywhere on his route from the Idaho house.. But bizarre that this park is mentioned.. if it is the location of the knife this park also has a lake that he could’ve thrown it into to avoid the risk of it being found on land.
@@shweefranglais7900 maybe but don’t assume in the ground! A lot of trees and I’m sure trash cans plus water! At least I hope the police did a search! Never heard!
Exactly. Notice they ignored and didn't highlight that important fact. Bk would have been covered in blood after the crime. He didn't turn off his phone-- just like the reporter on the drive the signal dropped. Bk didn't do it. He's quite and different. It's a shame with so little circumstantial evedidence and NO evidence of huge blood evedidence on him they have ruined his life. This could be you and I as the guilty person. They are theorizing 7 min. Not enough time to leave a bloody crime scene clean/you stab 4 multiple times-- blood is going to be squinting everywhere. No cuts on BK hands. In every case of multiple stab wounds on a single body let alone 4 people it gets slippery and there are cuts on the hand. The heart would spurt the victims blood everywhere- especially on the killer. The news reporting is so biased. Find the actual killer.
There is a difference between a phone not pinging because it was turned off and a phone not pinging because it has no signal. The affidavit didn't clarify that and certainly there is a way to know whether his phone didn't ping because it was turned off despite the effective signal to that area OR because it had no connection with the towers despite being on.
Ok but him being at the park doesn’t align with the evidence at all. They have his phone pinging in Pullman and they have his car on video leaving Pullman. 10 minutes later they have this same vehicle arriving in Moscow. Coincidentally that’s how long it takes to get to Moscow from Pullman. If he’s guilty you don’t think it’d be possible for him to just say he was somewhere without service? Because that seems like a very easy story to come up with. That’s actually the only story he could possibly come up with since they knew he wasn’t home and he wasn’t with anyone anywhere to collaborate any other alibi
The more I learn about the details of this case the more I dont think this guy did this. There is way more speculation than actual evidence in the case.
Could you share the evidence? Most of us don't have access to it and would love to see it (and if you don't mind, letting us know how you accessed the evidence).
@@BF2391 All we know is the DNA is questionable at best and the sheath is not the murder weapon and the we don’t even know what the murder weapon is. This is speculation vs evidence.
@@justaguy259 I don’t think most of you understand the difference between direct and circumstantial evidence. Your dna at the scene of the crime on a knife sheath under a stab victim is not speculative. It is evidence.. direct evidence at that
@@BF2391 I understand that but I would need to know beyond a reasonable doubt that that exact knife was the murder weapon. It is still speculative to assume that knife from that sheaf is the weapon. Plus the other unknown DNA found in the house, plus absolutely ZERO victim DNA found with BK. That was a dirty scene, if he was supposed to be in and out in under 12 minutes there would be something carried out of that house into his car. They couldn’t even find evidence of a major cleaning operation. I’m not saying this isn’t the guy but this isn’t the Salem witch trial, the state needs to prove their case behind a reasonable doubt. Until that burden is met, this man is still 100% innocent by law.
they don't have to "know" squat to just not call 911 by omission. You can just NOT call 911 if you don't want to help somebody. Maybe jealousy, on drugs, could be anything but doesn't mean they were in on anything
@@djohny-ne3gg they can be in trouble with the law this is a serious matter to know there was screaming and seeing dead bodies but not calling police. 8 hours I’m sure they saw and they knew what happened. People getting violently attached and they didn’t know anything , so so Suspicious . Everyone knows that it’s basic to call for help unless they were in on it and or the killers were giving them directions to clean the scene and don’t call police until later. It was a drug dealing situation.
@@saniaz680u are missing something. it’s not just what they saw or heard that matter, it’s what they smell, remember one of the survivors stayed in the same floor and it was a blood bath, how could anyone not smell that?
@@bobsink624 yes true, oh I didn’t know one survivor was on same Floor. After 8 hours you can definitely smell Blood . There was blood leaking outside on the wall I don’t know if that was a bedroom or a hallway . I feel they were threatened to not call police.
@@saniaz680 threatened? How do u know? Maybe they did that on their own will. Btw, when they do call the police, they claim the victims are unconscious, well, technically they were not wrong. But if u saw there were so many blood and ur friends have multiple stab wounds on them, y would u said they were just “unconscious”?
I’m a local of the area. Longtime resident of Moscow. Have been to Wawawai Park many times. It makes no sense to have been there that night/morning to take photos and stargaze. The sky was overcast and the whole area was shrouded in ice fog. The park was closed and gated. It’s place people go for recreation (like boating and for pinnics
Why does this lie keep going? He never claimed to be stargazing that night. I hope people can see why there are major problems with juries getting disinformation, and it's all being done by the state and their useful id iots.
Thanks for that insight. A few people have commented here that the gate wouldn't have been closed because there's overnight camping at that park, however it was winter, so there might not have been anyone camping then, and it would make sense if the gate was closed. That wouldn't deter a murderer from parking his car somewhere nearby that it wouldn't be noticed by drivers passing by, and entering the park to hide the murder weapon and other items that could link him to his crime.
@@wholeshebang1 The park closed at dusk, about 4:30 pm, and was gated. Nobody camps there in November. It was 28 degrees, heavily overcast, and ice fog shrouded the area. It would have been a precarious drive, not one anyone would take for relaxation. My point about the alibi is that it doesn’t prove where BK was when the crime was committed and the perpetrator left the scene-4:08am to 4:20am, according to LE and the PCA. It took 522 days to come up with this uncorroborated alibi. BK has no witnesses to support his alibi. The first alibi was that he was out driving around but couldn’t say exactly where and at what time-somewhere south of Moscow after dark, that’s it. The revised version only states that one place he often visited is Wawawai Park. It doesn’t say he went to the park that night directly. It only (cleverly) insinuates it. I think if BK had a solid alibi , he would have presented it much earlier. He can still take the stand to verify an alibi, but he won’t dare to-unless his arrogance and narcissism compel him to. Thanks for your interest. Regards from Moscow, ID.
@@marloncoley1810 BK has no corroborated alibi. The validity of an alibi is one thing a defendant must prove, otherwise it’s worthless. If you look at the court docs, you’ll see that the defense doesn’t state that BK was at Wawawai Park. It merely stated that he often went there. The fact remains that BK cannot prove where he was at the time of the crime. BTW, your first sentence contains a double negative. Does poor grammar indicate sloppy thinking? 🤔
I was just saying this on the community tab. I wonder if it’s just for those of us using earbuds (?) I could barely hear what Cory was saying at one place..I haven’t tried watching on TV yet, maybe it’s the earbuds..
I believe one of them already had ptsd before this, God knows how she felt or what state she was in at the time. Without more details, pretty shameful to say this. We don't know enough to shame them.
@@beachfairy and you know this how? They haven’t given any public statements about PTSD. What is public and factual is the fact that They didn’t call 911 ever - some other friends did. Do you realise it’s a crime to not report a crime in Idaho? Keep your moral policing somewhere else and take about facts - then try to work your ‘shame’ related issues.
I think the odds are that he did it, BUT, society's is quick to declare someone guilty using Idiocracy standards: "of course he did it, like, just look at him." Innocent until proven guilty. Imagine if he DIDN'T do it!! How terrible a situation to be in!
they proved he bought all kinds of stuff that just randomly can't be found now. He had his shower curtain missing. No plate, digging through trash in gloves, wants to "research" what it feels like to commit heinous crimes, his dna matched twice on a knife sheath found under the body, and oh, they died by knife. I mean, how did he get in ALL those situations if he is innocent? He's as guilty as they come but yeah I agree would be terrible but there is reason people believe he is guilty.
@@djohny-ne3gg they definitely didn't make that arrest for no reason. Neighbors never saw him going outside for a job or to go on a hike. Alibi doesn't even make sense and he doesn't have anyone to back up what he is saying.
Then why isnt he saying anything? I would be begging them and trying to talk as much as possible, like "please, you have the wrong guy, please, I didnt do it!"
7:31 That gate is open, you cant lock campers in the park. A youtuber drove the route at night and the gate was open. I wouldn't put it past Court TV to pull the gate closed and say it was closed at night.
Why you mean fake news?? No one can’t trust the news. I trust podcasts way more. This goes even for the politicians and media as long as it can they lie lie lie.
Its not stalling... Its investigating every piece of so called evidence the state has! Would you not want that if your in jail innocent? Use your head!
The technology now is incredible. I have to believe that the license plates must have been removed or they'd (and maybe do have) at least a partial of plate.
@@ahavens2463 I truly hope they have something more than just a "car expert" who initially got the wrong year lol the full videos is something that the defense has basically begged for because they still haven't received it....which is strange considering it was a big part of their investigation and Bryan's arrest.
It wasn’t the roommates reporting on the call, it was another passing student reporting about a roommate losing consciousness (after discovering the first scene) ….
Correct. No roommate ever dialed 911 at any time. Friends of the roommates were called over and dialed it. There is no roommate on a 911 tape or call. Period.
It really annoys me when people talk about how they never called 911 for 8 hours haha…they never witnessed the crime and didn’t know it had occurred until late the next morning
@@curtf9813- Except that one of the surviving housemates did see a man - the murderer, which she wouldn't have known he was at the time - walk past her door which she'd opened a crack, likely because she heard a commotion elsewhere in the house. But why she didn't call 911 or check on her housemates after the man left? Possibly she was too petrified, in the _"freeze" state_ of a trauma response, in _disbelief/denial_ that anything "bad" had happened? Maybe she hid until the threat was gone, or she fell asleep while in hiding in her room.
Guy stabs 4 people to death, cleans up perfectly, all within 2 hours (give or take)? All while the two roommates downstairs didn’t hear any screaming or call the cops? Yeah, that doesn’t add up at all.
You need to put some logic into your wild comment. It’s a party house, students use drugs, possibly even Xanax .. also students these days constantly have noise cancelling headphones on . There are times when I was student I would be so passed out from alcohol noting could wake me. The victims from what we can read were possibly stabbed in the throat.. rendering their voices useless. They couldn’t scream
Cleans up perfectly? Bro the house was basically a house of horrors. He got into a car, with lined seats. Not that complicated. Especially considering he took a nice 2 hour detour by the woods on the way home. And everyone was Cleary high and drunk off their asses. It's not that complex
If Bryan did this, he would know he’s on camera so he would have to come up with a reason why he’s there so he could explain it away. But that’s not what he did, hes saying he’s not even in the same state at the time of the crime. The prosecution should be jumping up and down in joy because they have him on camera. They should be saying we have him on camera at the time of the murders and this idiot is trying to say he’s in another state, we got him! Why would they give two shits less what his alibi is if they have him on camera? Because they don’t.
That’s true, but he’s just making an excuse which is something he needs to do by saying he has an alibi. It doesn’t mean it’s smart, but he has to give an alibi defense.
@@dannigro8794 all I can tell you is that’s not his car circling 1122 Queen Rd because if it was kohbergers he would have to explain why he’s there, not say he was in another state. If he said that was his car. Circling 1122 Queen rd he would at least have a chance to make something up but once he said he’s in another state he screwed himself If they have him on camera, which they don’t because we wouldn’t be talking about it still
I'm not going to play with you Mr Vinnie, this one has my head in a tizzy. What happened in there that night? Why did the killer walk past the roommate knowing she had seen him? And why did she wait hours before calling for help? She knew he had left, she saw him. So what is her excuse? One of them may have been saved, who knows.
i think he may have had his mask down to breath but put it on when the roommate saw him walk out. it was dark he didnt see her peeking. she was scared and fell asleep for 8 hours. maybe woke to a soundless house and got the creeps so called her friend. she assumed he went out the kitchen doors.
House number 1122…. November 22… is this significant? I wish the crime scene had been preserved. RIP beautiful souls ❤❤❤❤ so sorry for your families and loved ones
Seriously? One of the biggest moments in US history happened on that date. November 22, 1963- John F. Kennedy was assassinated. After, LBJ was sworn in as the 36th US President. November 22 will always have significance.
@@islesofshoals3551 Yes I agree and now demolished unfortunately. There were people trampling in and out without protective suits. Then revisiting. Then a removal company to remove personal items of the victims. The victims cars were left at the front of the property and should have been ceased immediately. There was flimsy tape around the perimeter and trash bins left there. Now the building is demolished so no jury can visit. Absolutely unthinkable.
Why was the scene if the crime destroyed? Why hasn't all the videos been released? Why has the prosucution refused to released all the evidence to the defense? Why has an official said there is exculpatory evidence being withheld? Please Court TV ask the hard questions.
Not enough talk about where he tossed the knife… 1) he tossed it in the Snake River at Wawawai Park ( creepy flooded ghost town caused by dams that sits just below the edge of the park ) 2) he could have driven further South and tossed it in the river off the North side of the river, across from Clarkston Wa. Turned back and headed back up the hill toward Uniontown and Pullman. This would be a 15 minute detour and the North side road across from Clarkston often has light traffic. I think he tossed the knife in the Snake River in one of two places.
There is no phone signal from just outside Pullman to wawawai park. My daughter lives in Pullman it is a popular park for the kids. It's my daughter's favorite park. She goes there alone! It's not odd for anyone to go there at night. All part of living around here
@@bewitched3912 that was only one amount of touch dna on the knife sheath and imo if that is all they have, then the cops planted that dna because they crooked. impossible there is no other dna. one piece of dna screams setup.
No, if you look at what they have said they have, said he never stalked any of the victims, the prosecution said a 2nd time he wasnt near the house that night, They're not going off the PCA, they threw that out Did you hear what Sy Ray said when he testified? & also the DNA expert? Officer Payne admitted under oath that he didn't know where evidence was, that they destroyed some of it & that they don't have his car on video or picture If you go back, don't listen to main stream media you'll 'll see, they push they're narrative I'm awake!
He left his knife sheath with his DNA at the bloody crime scene, and plus his car was seen on video around the area at around 4 am, the time of the crime. This is an open and shut case, seriously.
The only way it could probably get tricky is that whole genetic genealogy thing coz I remember months back there was a lot of talk about how it was conducted n all that stuff? I just hope he doesn't walk on a technicality, coz it's clear as day to me that he's responsible.
One thing for sure, this case illustrates how easy it is...and frightening that someone could get arrested for mass murder with the lack of evidence, lack of motive, lack of everything. Imagine going to jail, prison or losing your life this way.
@@MissingRenoboy You fans of murderers make it nearly impossible to convict the guilty. Just look at Scott Peterson! All those appeals and his fans still want a new trial and the evidence is overwhelming!
@@studiosinger if it’s proven his car wasn’t there, do you still think he’s guilty? I don’t think car his car was there but I still have a hard time with his DNA being at the crime scene
@LiarSlayer197 His opnions. Exactly what they should be. Gray likes to create logic and facts off of his opinions. He still swears to this day that kohberger is a "creep who stalked madison" however facts say otherwise. Not to mention the sour attitude and degrading of his followers and people he speaks "stories" on.
Here is why it's hard to prove... cause I believe Kohberger didn't do it. Here is my theory. First, understand the Idaho has a 3 strike and you're out law... meaning 3 felonies and you go to jail for life. Xana's mom a known drug dealer already had 2 felonies and Mattie's step mom had 1 felony for dealing. Oh no, Xana's mom just got busted again for dealing (that would be her 3 felony) What? Mattie's step mom also got busted, her second felony. Keep in mind the murders have not taken place yet. I believe about 3 or 4 weeks passes and wait, what's this? Xana's mom got her felony charges reduced to a misdemeanor? Huh, that is strange. What? Maddie's stepmom also got her charges reduced. It seems like no one knows why. Within a week of that happening the murders took place. What's this? About a week later, WA state makes the largest cartel drug bust in the states history. Yes, I believe this was the cartel. That is why it was so professional. That is why they walked right past Dylan. The targets were Mattie and Xana, the other 2 unfortunately were in the wrong place at the wrong time.
I believe that cops know it was the cartel but they will not go after them. I'm not sure why maybe they fear for their own families lives or maybe the don't want the public to know that the guy you are standing behind in the check out line or sitting next to in a restaurant are member of the cartel. They are all over the US
@@mito88 cause that house was known for selling drugs and Kohlberger did drugs. And he probably did have a crush on one of them and he may have even stalked her a bit. I have a friend stalked his now wife. He wanted run into her at a cafe, ect and make like it was a coincidence. There are just too many that don't add with Kohlberger. I have a friend who's aunt works in a crime lab and she said it is virtually imposable to stab 4 people with a knife and get in your car and not have some trace DNA.
@@mito88 trace DNA was found on a button of a knife sheath placed on the bed right next to one of the victims. that is all they found... it was only trace DNA and it was only on the button the opens the knife sheath. Yet they say he stabbed four people and couldn't find any trace DNA in his car. According to the FBI that is extremely unusual
7:21 the gates don’t always get closed! There is a video if you search ‘twizzlesticks’, he drove there late at night and the gate was open and his cell dropped!
@@LiarSlayer197It matters because a Probable Cause is needed to arrest someone for a crime. The State fabricated a map of Kohberger's route in the probable cause to help convince the judge. The longer this goes on the weaker the Bill of Rights and Constitution become.
@@Jupiter1423 reasonable how? Let’s hear your nonsense. You better explain yourself and not disappear. The skeptics are losing their minds in this case.
Very disappointed with the intro to this video that said Ethan was one of the roommates and that he lived at the house with the girls. Even a small detail like that is important to the credibility of this video. Makes me wonder what other small things might not be accurate in your reporting.
IMO The strongest piece of evidence is the return to the 1122 king road at 9:30 am afew hours later with his phone ON and GPS of the White Elantra collaborates this.
Why is that evidence? Everyone from both schools already knew the crime happened. We were all going there to see. Also, there is one cell tower there. Every phone in Moscow and Washington campus pinged from that tower. Stop being so gullible. Everyone on this two campuses knows Dylan, Dimitri, Emma & D's boy did it. We even told police that, but they absolutely ignore it. Do you know why? Because Emma, Dimitri and Dylan are criminal drug informants. That's why. Stop allowing mainstream legacy media brainwash you. You should be able to easily identify media brainwashing immediately. When they start the program with the young adults being presented as angels, when they literally say Kaylee, Maddie and Xana were great people. When they say the house was a known gathering spot instead of a known party house and the girls were known as the ppl you get "party supplies" from you know it's all propaganda. When they flat out lie about cell phone pings, when they ignore the fact that ppl did go running with kohberger between 2 and 4 am on several occasions. When they lie about dna when there wasn't enough aleals to get a dna hit, there are serious serious problem. Also, Let us not forget, there has been scream of these attacks throughout the northern west all in the 13th. All at 3am. Stop being naive.
What has never clicked is the photo of the white car released by police and media never matched Bryan Kohberger's 2015 Elantra because his car does not have paralellogram shaped headlights, differing from the photo, and the photographed white car's body has different ridge lines. The sheath reportedly did not test positive on the first test, and a miniscule particle of 2nd or 3rd generation touch DNA that only tested on a subsequent test, does not equal guilty, nor is touch DNA ever an exact match to someone's DNA.
The police only ever released stock images of a car in the year range they were looking for. Stills of security footage didn’t come from the police nor did they ever say that car. And that’s not how DNA works fyi
@@Stefania98sTaylor is holding it close to the vest, but you don't realize that. Sy Ray has already stated on the stand that the data provided so far is exculpatory for Kohberger....
Everyone has known that his alibi was "driving around" since the beginning of this case. The part about the stargazing and the park was the only new information.
And it was, Demetrius Robinson's brother, who had the exact same car - no sunroof and all the nuts and bolts the LE couldn't pick up but some you tuber did. There was a picture of Robinson's car in Demetrius' driveway before the murders, but, of course, it quickly disappeared. And, that car got rid of really really fast.
Bryon phone might ping from that tower, but he can be 25 miles away ...DAH! But GEO location puts him right where he stands .. and GEO location expert witness says he was never at that house and the police are missing some of the data...and Bill Thompson said bryon never stalk the victims, it came out at the hearing. I wish you ppl would tell the truth and learn the facts before saying all these lies
As for that park being closed to automobiles, I have visited parks before when they were technically closed. I just parked, ducked underneath the gate, and made my walk in the park.
@@just-a-generic-username I DID watch it. No they did not admit that. YOU go watch it again. They were referring to his car not being on certain cameras. He DID drive by the victims home 30 minutes before the murder and then directly after. How else would they have known to look for a white Elantra.?? Huh.? How else.?
@@Jazlin92665 So because they saw a white Elantra, it must be his even though they have no video footage of that white Elantra that would prove who owns it and what the license plate is? How do you know the perpetrator was even driving that car and not another one or walking? How ridiculous.
@@jakekoenighain5805 research touch DNA and how our DNA is EVERYWHERE, and, how long it lasts on metal, brass in this instance. If you want a conviction, you're not going to be happy with what you find.
He hasn't given a full alibi yet . He wilm not do that until prosecution hands over all discovery which they are refusing to do and no judge is making them accountable
13:54 how can they state that as fact ? This case is a joke and anybody that doesn’t see that is delusional in my opinion … plus the same dirty cops did a horrible job investigating the Brian drake murder . They should ALL BE FIRED !!! Everyone working on the case
Why they wanna demolish the house the crime scene? Raises the doubts, Circumstantial evidences nothing conclusive or concrete evidence, stock photos of the car very small unnoticeable dna no eye witnesses, where are the clear videos of him near the house? No knife no motive, someone is covering the crime
@@tonystevenson26tge funny thing is all those frat boys have been investigated. There were police presence at the frat for days investigating all of them and they aren't in jail but bk sure is! Stop blaming innocent ppl just to deflect blame away from bk because it's not working!
Also that knife sheath. He could have sold or pawned it or even given it to someone. Ya know college kids do that type of stuff. If he ends up being not guilty… people that put him in that position will have hell to pay for all of this and he won’t get what time he’s lost of his life behind bars.
In videos I've seen undercover cop's driving white aluntras. It's not absurd to go out late at night to walk because I do it all the time, and I've been into closed parks before to. What doesn't make sense is the time elapsed to call 911 how come that's not ever mentioned. The car video is useless could be anyone driving.
Especially after Payne debunked Floyd's in his testimony. And he's never even been there. Why would anyone put a guy with 2 yrs' experience in charge of a huge case ahead of other dets with way more experience if not to have it screwed up?
Yes the park is closed at night, but Wawawai Rd is open and if you go pass the park entrance less than a mile down the road there is a parking lot on the right hand side. It where U of I crew team practices on the Snake River. BK easily park there.
Wouldn't the fact that the guy reporting on taking the drive to Wawawai park and losing cell service possubly explain why Kohberger's phone was "turned off" during certain timeframe?
I'm 67 years old and grew up in the Seattle area, until I became a student at Washington State University in Pullman, Washington in 1975. And as a side note, the drinking age in Moscow, Idaho was 19, which is one of the benefits of that city because it's only 8 miles from Pullman. So I spent a lot of time in Moscow (where the University of Idaho is located) partying there until I turned 21 and could now drink in Washington. I spent 7 years in the "Palouse" as we call it, until I got my degree. I lived there full time for 5 years. And being that Moscow is only 8 miles from Pullman, students from WSU spend time over there. The drinking age has been 21 for quite awhile, but Moscow has good restaurants, and nightlife, and the University of Idaho campus is right near DT. Moscow isn't a big city. Everyone in Pullman and Moscow are wheat farmers, plus the students and the University of Idaho staff. It's one of the things I love about eastern Washington compared to western Washington. It's very rural, slow and folksy over there. Our football team the WSU Cougars have been playing the Idaho Vandals since the schools were still colleges and not state universities. We're friendly cross-state rivals. We coexist in harmony and peace. Except maybe stumbling drunks on Friday nights in Greek Row and DT Moscow. Not much else happens there. It's literally surrounded by hundreds of miles of wheat fields. Which by the way are fabulous, and watching harvest time in July is something that's hard to convey. The air smells like hay for a month. In the summer, the 15,000 students are gone and it's just the local folks. I graduated in 1982 and went back to Seattle and worked at SeaTac Airport for 27 years. And I still have a good friend from my dorm days (1975-1977) that still lives in Pullman because she married a fellow dorm friend, and they had a child. Which they raised there, and she got her Master's in Education, and worked for the College of Education until she retired a couple of years ago. And so in the last 45 years I go back to my alma mater Washington State University at least once a year for a football game, because I have a free place to stay. And I love it in the summer there so much that I go several times because I'm retired now. And my friend cooks for me, and drives me around town, and we always go to Moscow, Idaho when I am there because there is a store called "Tri-Place" that is kind of like a cross between a grange and a hardware store. And maybe a Big5. It's been there as long as I went there. And then we go kick around town and eat somewhere, where we talk about the wild stuff we did at age 19 because it was legal to drink. And then we drove home drunk 8 miles after last call. It's actually the location of many fatalities, they have added several passing lane in the 49 years I have been driving back and forth. If my friend Debbie didn't still live there all this time, I wouldn't ever have been there as much as I have. I recently moved to Astoria, Oregon which I love, but instead of 286 miles to Pullman it's 442 miles and it's added 2 hours to the usual 6 hours it used to take. But it's OK, because the drive over to the Palouse which is described as "God's Country" due to its idyllic setting and hundreds of miles of fertile, rich soil filled with amber waves of grain. Making it the largest wheat field producing area in the US. Anyway, when I heard about the "Idaho 4 Murders" it was unbelievable and impossible to compute. I had been to Pullman 3 times in the summer of 2022, and had been to Moscow all 3 times. And as the breaking story unfolded as I was getting ready for Thanksgiving week, I was shocked of course. But it's so hard for anyone to understand how improbable it was that 4 young students were stabbed to death in the middle of the night in their off campus large house. And suddenly Moscow, Idaho became the center of the national news. For gosh sake, Nancy Grace was there! Court TV was there! The residents have never had anything like this happen before. And then as the case unfolded and Bryan became the suspect, and he was a grad student at Washington State University in August of 2022. And he was living in the Steptoe Village Apartments where I lived in 1978 for a year. And while I was visiting Debbie, I drove around to all the different places I had lived while I was a student there. And I went to Steptoe Village, and saw several people moving in and out. And according to the timeline of coming to WSU I could have crossed paths with him. 😳 The whole story just kept getting worse and worse, until he was finally caught, and charged with their murders. And so the case slowed down a little while he retained a lawyer, and the court process got started. It was a slam dunk case because of the knife sheath with his DNA on it, and the white car footage, and all sorts of stuff. I'm still so angry that he killed those young, innocent University of Idaho students, so I haven't even watched all of his court shenanigans, and narcissistic, sociopathic and creepy claims and ramblings. This whole case is just too close to home for me. But when I heard the news that he claims he was "star gazing" down at Wawawai Park at 3am I nearly lost my sh*t. Because I have spent a ton of time down at Wawawai Park on the Snake River because it's the only body of water anywhere near Pullman and Moscow. And it gets blazing hot there May thru September, so we all drive 26 miles to get to drink, jump off a big rock, swim and flirt with other college students. But only during the day. It's literally in the middle of nowhere. It's a 2 lane road that turns into dirt roads, that maybe has 2 or 3 houses in 15 miles. It's all scrub brush hills with a few big farm houses that are up on a hill. And there are zero street lights. This is just a county road that only leads to the Park. And the big rock you can climb on. There really isn't any "beach". And in the 49 years I have been going there I have never been there past maybe 10pm in the summer time. Because there would be absolutely no reason to be down there. It's completely isolated and scary dark. You're 26 miles from the nearest city. So his story is absolute crap. You can star gaze a mile from Pullman and Moscow, you don't need to drive down to the Snake River to do that. 🙄 But he's also smart because there is no way to prove he wasn't there, because again, there isn't even cell phone reception once you turn off to the Wawawai Park arrow. All I know is this case is very personal to me, and I hope he is found guilty, and rots in prison. And the attention on him will be gone, which he craves, and the kids families can move on. ✅
This case is devastating, I feel so sorry for the victims and the families. I am not convinced 100% that he is the perpetrator, if you actually look at the true evidence (not the added media crap). I’m not a conspiracist, but I do actually look into information that’s more than just prosecution fed. I do not get the huge delay in phoning the cops. Three+ hours shock… very bizarre. This case is just odd.
they have to have computer or phone proof of him stalking them. if there is nothing like that, then he for sure is not guilty. there is no way this guy did it and did not leave a computer trail. i would not believe that. i want to see computer stalking proof like photos of the girls on his hard drive ... just one F photo...
@@RichBuddy The lead prosecutor stated in court that the stalking narrative is false, and Kohberger's team has repeatedly stated that the prosecution hasn't established any connection between him and the victims.
But you are a conspiracist, because we (nor you) have access to the 'true evidence', yet you are here parroting the exact lines the conspircay theorist constantly push.
What gets me about the suspect vehicle 1’s driving several times around the King road residence is that while driving around, he had the opportunity to change his mind, and he didn’t. It’s even more tragic, sad, and chilling because of that. It just shows how evil the killer truly was!!
Not only is it possible, but it is likely that there is more evidence than what has been shared with public. We will get the full picture once the trial begins.
What on earth was this programme supposed to prove. It proved absolutely nothing to me. I didnt see the car, his car, nothing. & you talked where did he dispose of the knife & his blood stained clothes, well what did you tell us on that, nothing at all. No blood anywhere in his car & the killer must have been covered in blood yet not the slightest bit of blood anywhere. In fact not the slightest bit of evidence anywhere. If the police have evidence isnt he supposed to also be allowed to see it to build a defence against it. On all the supposed evidence you have produced in the last 40 minutes it would take me 40 sec to find him not guilty. This programme or the cointent in it was a complete waste of time as there is no content whatsoeve showing someone committed a crime.
@petergibbs1683 Ya, maybe Tinkerbell committed that horrible crime.. It can't be BK. They found BK's DNA on part of the weapon, found on Maddies bed. And only his DNA, no one else's. And you will find out, at the trial, that BK purchased that kbar knife and sheath, brand new, from Amazon, 7 months before the murders. That's why they only found his DNA on that sheath. BUSTED.......
The report that drove the same route Bryan drove star gazing. Said hes cell phone lost single on some of that drive. Didn't they say Bryan phone was turned off the time of the murders. That's probably how it went of loosening single. Strange court tv didn't say anything about the reporters phone loosening single.
Great show, Vinnie! Excellent work, Cody! Actually going to the scenes and checking things out, while taking us along with you, was great! Loved seeing Grey Hughs on the show, too. He knows his stuff!
HEY VINNIE, why don't you read THE ACTUAL AFFIDAVIT. Bryan DID NOT STOP at Kate's Cup Of Joe for coffee,. PER THE AFFIDAVIT, the vehicle was seen DRIVING PAST KATE'S CUP OF JOE. That is in addition do the other myriad misinformational tidbits being spewed on this channel, regarding the Idaho case.
Yea I listen to this stuff and keep wondering y all this info was leaked and I kinda figured that all these little things might not be exactly right. Also realy p’s me off about the girl that saw him and no 911 call til noon! Supposedly she even saw them dead and calls other people.
There is no motive, why this house? Why these victims? The police have said these victims were targeted that it was a crime of passion. They assured the community of that repeatedly! Yet, there is NO CONNECTION between BK and any of the victims. There was NO stalking of any of the victims by BK as well. Even tho it was believed for a long time BK had been stalking them. It wasnt until the prosecution admitted there is NO EVIDENCE BK had ever been stalking any of the victims . So theres no connection, no stalking, no reason! A crime of passion and targeted victims?? So the police were WRONG from the beginning!
You couldn’t send someone who’s not afraid of the dark & finding his way home? Also why not go between 3-5am when he said he was there. The only thing this showed me is that the decline of “men” is real
😂😂 Good point! I'm not afraid of the dark! In fact, driving in very dark areas during those times sounds peaceful. The only thing that makes jt "creepy" is the nefarious intentions of another person.
There’s more than one of those cars probably in that town and with all the footage, I’m surprised no one has mentioned of getting a platte number or at least part of it
@@studiosinger there is NO proof of that. Where is there proof ? They have speculated that “he” wore a dickies jumpsuit. But that is not fact. That have not found that or have video proof that he wore that !!!!!
No one in Pullman-Moscow travels all the way down to Lewiston-Clarkston just to go to a couple of grocery stores. It's a 2-hour round trip and there's a gnarly winding descent to get down to the Snake River. Plus it really stinks down there.
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I think I'm going to wait before I make my final judgment. However, I think the evidence will speak louder than words. This case makes me very sad. Vinnie and Production did an amazing job with this video.
I think the media are twisting everything and adding fuel to the fire with ‘rumours and hearsay’!
Think logically about what evidence they DONT have that they should have!
No one can cause that kind of scene and leave only a trace of dna on a movable object that could’ve been placed there by the real person/people!
People who have reason for their dna to already be all over that house that can be explained away!
It’s never been said if that indeed matches the weapon that caused the injuries!
Why have they still got Ethan’s golf clubs?!
DNA catching perps 50 years later. DNA plus everything they have against Bk is going to lead to justice soon.
Creepy guy Bk. All evidence adding up. Everything fits.
I don’t think he could get down that dirt road with the snow because they don’t typically plow those roads. Could’ve been plowed tho. Look in to if the park was closed for the season, or if the road was closed to vehicles.
the greatest mystery about this case to me is how the killer got out of the crime scene without leaving a trail of blood they had to be covered with blood. they had to have the car covered in plastic, he had to have changed his clothes? How did he get his clothes out one of the roommates saw him did he have a bundle? Where did they get rid of all the protective gear, they must of had? I don't think he could have cleaned his that good it only takes a speck for LE to discover it.
Exactly. I want to see how the prosecution answers those questions. The prosecution Needs to answer those questions.
The greatest mystery to me is why is legacy media trying so hard to frame Kohberger. He has proven precedent of running and driving at night. He has several people come forward to say they would go running, driving and star gazing with him. Why the is precedent or a pattern of behavoir evidence for the state but not for the defense? Why did the FBI A) pay a visit to the DNA expert, who was the states witness, when she testified there wasn't enough aleals to identify kohberger's DNA and the FBI strongly "encouraged" her to name kohberger's DNA by illegaly searching the father? B) why did they, the FBI, refuse to defend their electronic data "evidence" in court? Why did the state refuse to follow up on the other 3 unidentified DNA in the house? Why didn't the state go after the girls for cleaning up the crime scene? The site print wasn't seen by the naked eye. Only after luminal was used. Which means someone cleaned that crime scene. Why are they ignoring the fact that the roommate wore vans shoes; even has a photo of her wearing them on social media. Why why why is the state and media trying do hard to frame this guy.
Why are they ignoring the fact that two ppl were killed in a hit and run outside kohberger's apartment. Police parked behind kohberger boxing him in while working the scene & looking for the driver. Why haven't they used the neighbors video showing a white truck at the house until 4 am
@@Revolver1701DNA says your clueless
@@Revolver1701Those questions will be answered when trial starts.
29:50 the police were right outside his apartment building all night due to an accident, so where are the bodycams and car dash cams of all those officers and cars?
he could drive out the front entrance and not go by them
" the police were right outside his apartment building all night due to an accident " . What hours were they actually there and how close to his apartment ?
@@exitscreaming4637Plus if not involved police focus on the problem at hand.
Do you expect them to leak everything?
@@exitscreaming4637 not very close to his apt, they were there like 2-5
Has anybody checked his cell phone pinging over the previous months to see if he actually ever went there in the middle of the night? I'm no criminology expert, but that seems to be a great thing for investigators to look into.
Good question
I'm no criminology expert either but I think if I were and going to commit a crime like this, I wouldn't use my own car and drive around outside the crime scene for 15 minutes.
Yes. He was pinged around the house multiple times in the past
Yes but on that particular night he decided to take a different route and turn his phone off which he very, very, rarely did
@@el34glo59The prosecutor said Bryan did not stalk the victims and that Bryan was not there 12 times as they claimed.
The Public Prosecutor's Office invented several things to obtain the arrest warrant and now 1 year and 9 months later they confirmed that they lied to the PCA. That must be why the defense has already asked the prosecution to hand over what they have on Bryan and in 1 year and 9 months they haven't handed over anything.
Bryan has been in prison for almost 2 years and the prosecution has not handed over the supposed evidence to the defense.
I have been waiting for you to deep dive into this one! It’s on my mind constantly! RIP Kaylee Madison Ethan and Xana
This ain't the place for that...trust me !
It's awful what happened to them, I'm still in shock, can't even imagine what their parents are feeling
There is no deep dive here... just lies and cover ups!
@LuluDior4 it really is awful! Just a shame they have the wrong guy sitting in jail!
@@wendynelligan6174 - Oh? The _wrong guy?_ Who do you think is the _"right" person_ who horribly slaughtered those young housemates?
Waiting 8 hours to call 911 doesn't make any sense, but I dont see you accusing DM and BF of a crime.
It's a crime not to notify in Idaho....EIGHT HOURS and they had FRIENDS OVER ?!!!...Never called 911
@@tonystevenson26911 was called when the bodies were discovered. It’s not a crime if they didn’t know what had happened
Right after this happened, there was a lot of chatter about people being notified hours before the 911 call. Was there any truth to that?
Getting sponsored by UI?
DM IMO saw an heard it and BF has exculpatory evidence
I’m so screwed if I ever get accused of a crime. Between my google stuff and driving around looking for dark areas I’m done
Well he’s not being accused because of his Google searches or because he was “driving around at night”. This is not about you. Keep on with your Google searches and your nightly drives.
Well if you commit a crime you’re screwed. If you’re just crazy no one cares.
did you even watch the video? do you know ANYTHING about this case? bc this comment tells me you don’t.
@@z0mmbae I’m not implying he’s not guilty, I don’t think we’ve seen a fraction of the evidence they have in this case. My comment is only based on the guy in the video driving out to the park acting like it’s completely absurd to drive out to a closed park in the middle of the night. It was a joke
And why are you 'looking for dark areas'?!
A RUclipsr did that drive months ago, and streamed the trip. When he arrived in the middle of the night, the park’s gate was open.
@jeanarnone3184 not only does that happen, but just because a gate is closed...doesn't mean you vant still go in. That gate is to stop cars from parking in the park's parking area, it doesn't stop people from walking in. People will park in front of the gate or along the road when a gate is closed and walk into the park to use it. The gate being closed doesn't mean much as far as I am concerned.
@@jeanarnone3184 what RUclipsr?
I remember seeying that too from that you tuber it was well done
That’s a thing he could say he was gazing at the stars in the middle of the night when it was open but later on commit the murder at 4 AM
Yes apparently there a gate all the locals know that is open 24/7
His alibi makes perfect sense to me. I work graveyard shifts, and on my nights off I sometimes go for drives too.
@@Shroomy801 i used to walk at 2.30 am every day.
@claudiaoakes3308 If my hometown had more lights near me I'd bike a fair but around such times. Night rides and walks are amazing
@@Shroomy801 Can’t you see how easy it would be to come up with that alibi and that it was his only option? His car was on video leaving his neighborhood, along with his phone pings, so he couldn’t say he stayed home. Not an option. He couldn’t say he was with anyone because there would be nobody to corroborate the story. His only options were to plead guilty or give that alibi.
@@Shroomy801 I feel like y’all’s spouses could get away with a whole lot haha
@@Shroomy801 well that would make sense if he worked nights but he lectured and studied. I understand the hell of insomnia but it just seems odd that he took that trip to that house which he’d done many times (maybe he did work as a delivery service?) but there he wasn’t even super close to the campus.
It’s such a small road and he can’t claim he didn’t know where the sororities were.
He contacted one of the girls frequently even though he received nothing back.
Why would you decide to just wander down your street putting things in neighbours bins when your own bin is right there?
There are so many bizarre instances.
The research was very strange but I’m a psychologist so I understand the depth of research needed to publish your study. The study itself has strange questions but we don’t have his hypothesis and what/if any outcome there was
Excellent! Thank you. Best update ive seen yet! Thank you for being so thorough !
Uh.....house known as a "gathering" house???? What happened to house known as a PARTY house?
Why downplay its reputation as a "party house?"
@@wholeshebang1 Right I am glad you noticed that. It was in fact a party house...I am guessing the Prosecution and those that want this settled, blame on Bryan and get rid of this mar on the University refer to it as it was a gathering house, instead of a party house.
It was a party house and Ethan did not live there as Vinny stated
Moscow knew it as THE DRUG HOUSE.
Dumb euphemism
My son takes walks at night because it's calming to him and he looks at the stars also. My 2 daughters take late night rides to a favorite lookout in the middle of nowhere to see the stars and moon. I love watching clouds at night when storms come in. The sky is a calming place to look at
I understand, but Kohberger’s routes which are multiplied are totally different.
I agree. Driving around at night looking at stars etc does not make you a killer. I use to do that a LOT. And I am not the only one.
I agree about him ditching knife and clothes on that loooong out of the norm route back to his apt. Most likely they will never will be found unless luckily by a farmer doing his fields or metal detecting peeps (knife) that do it as a hobby.
I’m so sick of seeing this comment. He’s not being accused just because he went for a late night drive.
This was a cloudy icy cold night. There were no stars or a moon
9:10 why are people fixated on stargazing, it said that he enjoyed doing that kind of stuff but didn’t say he’d done that that particular night…it only actually states he was driving….
Fixate on everything against Bk. Sheath dna, plus everything against him. Tons of evidence. All adds up to the creep perfectly.
@@LiarSlayer197nothing adds up!
If you read the court documents and watch the hearings the lead investigator even admits the route in PCA was just what he thinks is a possibility and they don’t have his car on cctv and he doesn’t know much tbh…
Then expert says he has exculpatory evidence that shows he was total other direction🙄
The lack of evidence is astounding but being overshadowed by media speculation!
It’s mental how he’s even sat there still!
If it is genuinely his DNA why won’t the hand over the full pathway of the journey that sheath took and who had access to it at what stage!
The case is falling apart evidential wise piece by piece but being highlighted with hearsay by media!
Night Driving when he's blind as a bat? Cmon
@@nevadatan7323i mean there’s literally records of him doing so… so yeah.
@@bottlerocket3218seems like the alibi was established to coincide with the evidence that’s against him. He couldn’t deny that he wasn’t out that night so the defense had to create a bs alibi.
Im shocked that this guy could do this so quietly. Im amazed you can kill 4 ppl, none of them scream or make a noise to alert others and then you get out of there and back to your dorm.
@Munchkingirl-e4zthe roommates waited to call the cops 8 hours later can’t leave that out that’s highly suspicious
I thought they did hear but were used to college age loud party type noise. Who would run out to check?😢
With no blood in the alleged vehicle or hone!
That is the dumbest comment. You seriously don’t know how somebody could kill defenseless sleeping people? Cmon guy.
2 had defensive wounds
The road to wawawai. From Lewiston there is no signal either. So many dead spots in WA and id
The way the Elantra was driving around the neighborhood of the victims house ,sounds EXACTLY like the way a Door Dash delivery driver would be driving when trying to find a address.
BK is smart enough to know his car would be seen on camera.
What is not possible is how BK could commit these murders without leaving any blood trail including bloody footprints, within the time frame given of when the Elantra was first seen and leaving the crime scene.
There isn't enough time .
The surviving so-called, victims, are the most likely suspects because they had many hours to clean up evidence and cover up their involvement and come up with their lame excuses for doing NOTHING including not calling the police! There was NOT an 8 hour delay in calling the police, because neither "surviving victim" EVER CALLED! even after hearing what they heard and supposedly being so scared one claims to have been " frozen in shock"
Her behavior makes ZERO sense and is total B S!! No one wants to believe what is SO OBVIOUS. Instead excuse after excuse has been made up for them!
It's unbelievable!!!
This expert investigator Gray Hughes says he is 100% positive it was Bryan's car. And then goes on to say "he feels" it was him. I can agree that, based on the evidence, it is likely Bryan, but not beyond a reasonable doubt, which is less than 100%. Experts need to be careful with their words. The DNA evidence alone, is not 100%.
I agree, people need to be mindful with their words, but he's not an expert, he's a RUclipsr so his words don't hold as much weight as some other guests Court TV have on. He can basically say whatever he likes as his opinion without any repercussions
the DNA evidence is 100 percent unless you believe there Are trillions of planet earths that might have someone with the same DNA.
@@Mark-ml3nv Evidence he knew the woman he targeted.
Just wait for all of the evidence to be presented!! The evidence already presented in the PCA paints a pretty clear picture that's for sure, but this is The USA and yet we can be convinced of his guilt already, he still needs a fair trial. All of the evidence and the arguments from the defense will be heard as it should. I'm sure more evidence against him exists.
Praying justice will be served. Those young innocent souls deserve it. I have never been so emotionally vested in a case as I am this one. It is such a tragedy and so sad that this kind of evil exists. It does though. Praying for the families and their strength. Praying for justice.
It's him
yo why you let that man straight up lie that the gate is closed lol
Look like we gonna have to set the record straight again brother .. cuz there was so much misinformation here it's staggering lol
Court tv just lied to their whole audience 😅
thank you very much for clarification! I am from Germany and have no clue about the area. When they said the gate was closed, i looked up the opening hours of the park on google and it said its open from sun up to sun down. i looked up some pictures of the gate, too and it is actually very easy to just get in by foot.
This video of the car is pointless because you cannot see the make or model nor color of the vehicle. I have watched this video over and over.
The videos of the car on 1122 King Road (suspect vehicle 1) have never been released. None of the evidence has.
@@curtf9813 I was referring to the video Vinnie is showing on this show that I'm commenting under
@@cthruu6033 Right and I’m referring to the case as a whole. You can see what the vehicle is doing in this video. It was never claimed that they identified it through this video alone so why point out that you can’t identify the make and model from this video alone? In this video that you’re commenting under they’re discussing what the vehicle is doing not how you can easily identify it’s make and model. There’s more videos of the car…
@@curtf9813 The FBI expert said the car circling 1122 queen rd was a 2011-2013 Hyundai ELANTRA, he later said it could also be a 2014-2016 Hyundai ELANTRA, meaning it could be anywhere from a 2011-2016 Hyundai ELANTRA. The same FBI expert looked at the WSU footage and determined it was a 2015 Hyundai ELANTRA, which is Bryan’s car. So if the 2015 Hyundai ELANTRA couldn’t be a 2011-2013 model but the car circling 1122 Queen rd could be a 2011-2013 model, how are they the same car?
@@Steve-v4i they have clearer video of his car(bk) all the red light cameras the states use make out license plates and actually record them! They know how many times his car drove that route easy! If this case goes to trial which I doubt it's going to be fire! Imo I think bk will accept life without the possibility of parole once they get the Conclave family to also agree with the punishment!
I hope this case will be on Court TV live!
Nope, Judge John Judge has already decided only his camera will be allowed in the court room.
@@cmdpisces Bumme!
Last time i heard its not going to be on the tube
We all want it to be Brian Kohberger, but what if it’s not?
Then he'll get a great big fat payout from the State, that's what.
Trust me if cases were just brought to court with no evidence and no conviction the Country would be bankrupt by now.
They got their man.
They'll just cover it up.....cold case
Look how many people have been in jail for a crime they didn't commit
I believe that the reason he went to the park was to get rid of the knife! Just because he couldn’t drive into the park doesn’t mean he couldn’t walk!
Good theory. I expect the police have searched.
The fact that the front gate to the park is closed in the early morning hours is irrelevant..
It depends whether he was ‘star gazing’ just outside the park and parked his car outside. Or he parked outside and then walked into the park.
That knife could be anywhere on his route from the Idaho house.. But bizarre that this park is mentioned.. if it is the location of the knife this park also has a lake that he could’ve thrown it into to avoid the risk of it being found on land.
@@trentrogers4074the park has overnight camping - they cannot lock anyone in or out of that park….
The gate to the park is always unlocked according to locals
@@shweefranglais7900 maybe but don’t assume in the ground! A lot of trees and I’m sure trash cans plus water! At least I hope the police did a search! Never heard!
The anchor that went to the park actually confirmed his alibi. He said his phone lost signal out there which explains why his phone wasn’t pinging.
Exactly. Notice they ignored and didn't highlight that important fact. Bk would have been covered in blood after the crime. He didn't turn off his phone-- just like the reporter on the drive the signal dropped. Bk didn't do it. He's quite and different. It's a shame with so little circumstantial evedidence and NO evidence of huge blood evedidence on him they have ruined his life. This could be you and I as the guilty person. They are theorizing 7 min. Not enough time to leave a bloody crime scene clean/you stab 4 multiple times-- blood is going to be squinting everywhere. No cuts on BK hands. In every case of multiple stab wounds on a single body let alone 4 people it gets slippery and there are cuts on the hand. The heart would spurt the victims blood everywhere- especially on the killer. The news reporting is so biased. Find the actual killer.
@@cbright1626 💯
There is a difference between a phone not pinging because it was turned off and a phone not pinging because it has no signal. The affidavit didn't clarify that and certainly there is a way to know whether his phone didn't ping because it was turned off despite the effective signal to that area OR because it had no connection with the towers despite being on.
@@Clau574you have no clue. 😂
Ok but him being at the park doesn’t align with the evidence at all. They have his phone pinging in Pullman and they have his car on video leaving Pullman. 10 minutes later they have this same vehicle arriving in Moscow. Coincidentally that’s how long it takes to get to Moscow from Pullman. If he’s guilty you don’t think it’d be possible for him to just say he was somewhere without service? Because that seems like a very easy story to come up with. That’s actually the only story he could possibly come up with since they knew he wasn’t home and he wasn’t with anyone anywhere to collaborate any other alibi
Good investigating reporting
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The more I learn about the details of this case the more I dont think this guy did this. There is way more speculation than actual evidence in the case.
Could you share the evidence? Most of us don't have access to it and would love to see it (and if you don't mind, letting us know how you accessed the evidence).
His dna was on the knife sheath under one of the dead bodies 😅 but okay.
@@BF2391 All we know is the DNA is questionable at best and the sheath is not the murder weapon and the we don’t even know what the murder weapon is. This is speculation vs evidence.
@@justaguy259 I don’t think most of you understand the difference between direct and circumstantial evidence. Your dna at the scene of the crime on a knife sheath under a stab victim is not speculative. It is evidence.. direct evidence at that
@@BF2391 I understand that but I would need to know beyond a reasonable doubt that that exact knife was the murder weapon. It is still speculative to assume that knife from that sheaf is the weapon. Plus the other unknown DNA found in the house, plus absolutely ZERO victim DNA found with BK. That was a dirty scene, if he was supposed to be in and out in under 12 minutes there would be something carried out of that house into his car. They couldn’t even find evidence of a major cleaning operation. I’m not saying this isn’t the guy but this isn’t the Salem witch trial, the state needs to prove their case behind a reasonable doubt. Until that burden is met, this man is still 100% innocent by law.
The roommates know more than they are telling why wait 8 hours to call police if you so a stranger in the house at 5am they wait to noon 🕛
they don't have to "know" squat to just not call 911 by omission. You can just NOT call 911 if you don't want to help somebody. Maybe jealousy, on drugs, could be anything but doesn't mean they were in on anything
@@djohny-ne3gg they can be in trouble with the law this is a serious matter to know there was screaming and seeing dead bodies but not calling police. 8 hours I’m sure they saw and they knew what happened. People getting violently attached and they didn’t know anything , so so Suspicious . Everyone knows that it’s basic to call for help unless they were in on it and or the killers were giving them directions to clean the scene and don’t call police until later. It was a drug dealing situation.
@@saniaz680u are missing something. it’s not just what they saw or heard that matter, it’s what they smell, remember one of the survivors stayed in the same floor and it was a blood bath, how could anyone not smell that?
@@bobsink624 yes true, oh I didn’t know one survivor was on same
Floor. After 8 hours you can definitely smell
Blood . There was blood leaking outside on the wall I don’t know if that was a bedroom or a hallway . I feel they were threatened to not call police.
@@saniaz680 threatened? How do u know? Maybe they did that on their own will. Btw, when they do call the police, they claim the victims are unconscious, well, technically they were not wrong. But if u saw there were so many blood and ur friends have multiple stab wounds on them, y would u said they were just “unconscious”?
I’m a local of the area. Longtime resident of Moscow. Have been to Wawawai Park many times. It makes no sense to have been there that night/morning to take photos and stargaze. The sky was overcast and the whole area was shrouded in ice fog. The park was closed and gated. It’s place people go for recreation (like boating and for pinnics
Why does this lie keep going? He never claimed to be stargazing that night.
I hope people can see why there are major problems with juries getting disinformation, and it's all being done by the state and their useful id iots.
Thanks for that insight. A few people have commented here that the gate wouldn't have been closed because there's overnight camping at that park, however it was winter, so there might not have been anyone camping then, and it would make sense if the gate was closed. That wouldn't deter a murderer from parking his car somewhere nearby that it wouldn't be noticed by drivers passing by, and entering the park to hide the murder weapon and other items that could link him to his crime.
@@wholeshebang1 The park closed at dusk, about 4:30 pm, and was gated. Nobody camps there in November. It was 28 degrees, heavily overcast, and ice fog shrouded the area. It would have been a precarious drive, not one anyone would take for relaxation. My point about the alibi is that it doesn’t prove where BK was when the crime was committed and the perpetrator left the scene-4:08am to 4:20am, according to LE and the PCA. It took 522 days to come up with this uncorroborated alibi. BK has no witnesses to support his alibi. The first alibi was that he was out driving around but couldn’t say exactly where and at what time-somewhere south of Moscow after dark, that’s it. The revised version only states that one place he often visited is Wawawai Park. It doesn’t say he went to the park that night directly. It only (cleverly) insinuates it. I think if BK had a solid alibi , he would have presented it much earlier. He can still take the stand to verify an alibi, but he won’t dare to-unless his arrogance and narcissism compel him to. Thanks for your interest. Regards from Moscow, ID.
@@lyndaalbrecht7006Its just like they don't have no proof that he's lying. They're assuming just like you😮
@@marloncoley1810 BK has no corroborated alibi. The validity of an alibi is one thing a defendant must prove, otherwise it’s worthless. If you look at the court docs, you’ll see that the defense doesn’t state that BK was at Wawawai Park. It merely stated that he often went there. The fact remains that BK cannot prove where he was at the time of the crime. BTW, your first sentence contains a double negative. Does poor grammar indicate sloppy thinking? 🤔
Turn off that annoying music in the background, please.
Exactly.
Turn down the volume if you’re annoyed 😂
PLEEEEEEESE!!!!!!
I was just saying this on the community tab. I wonder if it’s just for those of us using earbuds (?) I could barely hear what Cory was saying at one place..I haven’t tried watching on TV yet, maybe it’s the earbuds..
Part of their pushing their bias.
Thank you Vinnie for sharing this video
With friends like the two roommates, who needs enemies..
I believe one of them already had ptsd before this, God knows how she felt or what state she was in at the time. Without more details, pretty shameful to say this. We don't know enough to shame them.
@@beachfairy and you know this how? They haven’t given any public statements about PTSD. What is public and factual is the fact that They didn’t call 911 ever - some other friends did. Do you realise it’s a crime to not report a crime in Idaho? Keep your moral policing somewhere else and take about facts - then try to work your ‘shame’ related issues.
@@Greezly__1 agree!!!
@@Greezly__1 seems like they knew who the killer was and knew what was the reason.
Absorbed in their own worlds
I think the odds are that he did it, BUT, society's is quick to declare someone guilty using Idiocracy standards: "of course he did it, like, just look at him."
Innocent until proven guilty. Imagine if he DIDN'T do it!! How terrible a situation to be in!
they proved he bought all kinds of stuff that just randomly can't be found now. He had his shower curtain missing. No plate, digging through trash in gloves, wants to "research" what it feels like to commit heinous crimes, his dna matched twice on a knife sheath found under the body, and oh, they died by knife. I mean, how did he get in ALL those situations if he is innocent? He's as guilty as they come but yeah I agree would be terrible but there is reason people believe he is guilty.
@@djohny-ne3gg they definitely didn't make that arrest for no reason. Neighbors never saw him going outside for a job or to go on a hike. Alibi doesn't even make sense and he doesn't have anyone to back up what he is saying.
@@djohny-ne3gg where is this evidence ???where can i read and find this or is this just what you “heard”
Then why isnt he saying anything? I would be begging them and trying to talk as much as possible, like "please, you have the wrong guy, please, I didnt do it!"
Was on the news several times.. watch it. No one job to keep you up to date. Y@@anthonyscarfone2062
7:31 That gate is open, you cant lock campers in the park. A youtuber drove the route at night and the gate was open. I wouldn't put it past Court TV to pull the gate closed and say it was closed at night.
Why you mean fake news?? No one can’t trust the news. I trust podcasts way more. This goes even for the politicians and media as long as it can they lie lie lie.
Which youtuber please?
INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY, REMEMBER FOLKS
This case stinks to high heaven.
Yes it does, he’s guilty stalling the trial process.
Its not stalling... Its investigating every piece of so called evidence the state has!
Would you not want that if your in jail innocent? Use your head!
Great narration Vonnie, Thank you❤❤❤
Outstanding job! Thx Vinnie, Cody and all.
18:56 I am not sure how anyone could tell what kind of car this is or that every pass was the same car.
its a frame up. It's not supposed to all check out, just a lot of okie doke and head-nodding. Wait for trial for this case to completely fall apart.
The technology now is incredible. I have to believe that the license plates must have been removed or they'd (and maybe do have) at least a partial of plate.
@@ahavens2463 I truly hope they have something more than just a "car expert" who initially got the wrong year lol the full videos is something that the defense has basically begged for because they still haven't received it....which is strange considering it was a big part of their investigation and Bryan's arrest.
@@user-bn4li3do9g i believe there is more surveillance footage that hasn’t been released yet
@@mikejohnson9960 lol yeah keep drinking the coolaid
It wasn’t the roommates reporting on the call, it was another passing student reporting about a roommate losing consciousness (after discovering the first scene) ….
Correct. No roommate ever dialed 911 at any time. Friends of the roommates were called over and dialed it. There is no roommate on a 911 tape or call. Period.
@@mikejohnson9960
Exactly....
But hey that's fine....
Please let them have their privacy?.
This case does not sit well with me 😮
Hunter Johnson called 911
It really annoys me when people talk about how they never called 911 for 8 hours haha…they never witnessed the crime and didn’t know it had occurred until late the next morning
@@curtf9813- Except that one of the surviving housemates did see a man - the murderer, which she wouldn't have known he was at the time - walk past her door which she'd opened a crack, likely because she heard a commotion elsewhere in the house. But why she didn't call 911 or check on her housemates after the man left? Possibly she was too petrified, in the _"freeze" state_ of a trauma response, in _disbelief/denial_ that anything "bad" had happened? Maybe she hid until the threat was gone, or she fell asleep while in hiding in her room.
Guy stabs 4 people to death, cleans up perfectly, all within 2 hours (give or take)? All while the two roommates downstairs didn’t hear any screaming or call the cops? Yeah, that doesn’t add up at all.
I think everyone in that house except for Ethan and Xana was under the influence of drugs and/or alcohol.
It does add up, your brain just can't imagine things.
You need to put some logic into your wild comment. It’s a party house, students use drugs, possibly even Xanax .. also students these days constantly have noise cancelling headphones on . There are times when I was student I would be so passed out from alcohol noting could wake me. The victims from what we can read were possibly stabbed in the throat.. rendering their voices useless. They couldn’t scream
Cleans up perfectly? Bro the house was basically a house of horrors. He got into a car, with lined seats. Not that complicated. Especially considering he took a nice 2 hour detour by the woods on the way home.
And everyone was Cleary high and drunk off their asses. It's not that complex
@@SmcdMcd-d2kExactly. It's not that complicated
If Bryan did this, he would know he’s on camera so he would have to come up with a reason why he’s there so he could explain it away. But that’s not what he did, hes saying he’s not even in the same state at the time of the crime. The prosecution should be jumping up and down in joy because they have him on camera. They should be saying we have him on camera at the time of the murders and this idiot is trying to say he’s in another state, we got him! Why would they give two shits less what his alibi is if they have him on camera? Because they don’t.
This 💯!!!
That’s true, but he’s just making an excuse which is something he needs to do by saying he has an alibi. It doesn’t mean it’s smart, but he has to give an alibi defense.
@@dannigro8794 all I can tell you is that’s not his car circling 1122 Queen Rd because if it was kohbergers he would have to explain why he’s there, not say he was in another state. If he said that was his car. Circling 1122 Queen rd he would at least have a chance to make something up but once he said he’s in another state he screwed himself If they have him on camera, which they don’t because we wouldn’t be talking about it still
where do they have him on camera? Could be any white car, is there a licence plate visible or himself behind the wheel?
Yes, I am noticing lots of fabrication from the prosecution angle.
I'm not going to play with you Mr Vinnie, this one has my head in a tizzy. What happened in there that night? Why did the killer walk past the roommate knowing she had seen him? And why did she wait hours before calling for help? She knew he had left, she saw him. So what is her excuse? One of them may have been saved, who knows.
@@jeanettehinds4253 he can't see in the dark. Don't speculate he was seen.
@@windupbluebird Don't you tell me what to do. Who the hell do you think you are?
i think he may have had his mask down to breath but put it on when the roommate saw him walk out. it was dark he didnt see her peeking. she was scared and fell asleep for 8 hours. maybe woke to a soundless house and got the creeps so called her friend. she assumed he went out the kitchen doors.
Honey kid -- did your ever hear who her bf was? He was a notorious drug dealer and more known and feared throughout Moscow.
House number 1122…. November 22… is this significant?
I wish the crime scene had been preserved.
RIP beautiful souls ❤❤❤❤ so sorry for your families and loved ones
Crime scene was preserved. Your conspiracy theory is laughable.
Seriously? One of the biggest moments in US history happened on that date. November 22, 1963- John F. Kennedy was assassinated. After, LBJ was sworn in as the 36th US President.
November 22 will always have significance.
@@Haarschmuckfachgeschafttadpole
😂 sure wasn’t
@Haarschmuckfachgeschafttapole The crime scene was NOT preserved. Contamination galore
@@islesofshoals3551
Yes I agree and now demolished unfortunately. There were people trampling in and out without protective suits. Then revisiting. Then a removal company to remove personal items of the victims. The victims cars were left at the front of the property and should have been ceased immediately. There was flimsy tape around the perimeter and trash bins left there. Now the building is demolished so no jury can visit. Absolutely unthinkable.
Why was the scene if the crime destroyed? Why hasn't all the videos been released? Why has the prosucution refused to released all the evidence to the defense? Why has an official said there is exculpatory evidence being withheld? Please Court TV ask the hard questions.
They won't, they never do in this case
Not enough talk about where he tossed the knife…
1) he tossed it in the Snake River at Wawawai Park ( creepy flooded ghost town caused by dams that sits just below the edge of the park )
2) he could have driven further South and tossed it in the river off the North side of the river, across from Clarkston Wa. Turned back and headed back up the hill toward Uniontown and Pullman. This would be a 15 minute detour and the North side road across from Clarkston often has light traffic.
I think he tossed the knife in the Snake River in one of two places.
There is no phone signal from just outside Pullman to wawawai park. My daughter lives in Pullman it is a popular park for the kids. It's my daughter's favorite park. She goes there alone! It's not odd for anyone to go there at night. All part of living around here
It is absolutely odd and crazy to go there at 3 or 4 am when it is closed! Only mental person or SK will go!
Your daughter should not be doing that alone at night thats so extremely dangerous
Lucky thing she never bumped into BK up there then eh
@@nonamninom9344 and cold.
That's what I think also
20:20 not easily done when it was confirmed they fought back…
Where’s the DNA from the struggles?!
LE probably accidentally lost it !
On the knife sheath, where have you been the last few years??
@@bewitched3912 that was only one amount of touch dna on the knife sheath and imo if that is all they have, then the cops planted that dna because they crooked. impossible there is no other dna. one piece of dna screams setup.
@@bewitched3912last I checked a sheath never k!lled anyone
@@bewitched3912exactly.. Bae
I think the states case is a lot stronger than what we are aware of thus far. ❤
Same they have more evidence it’s just a gag order that they can’t talk about the cause until trial
No, if you look at what they have said they have, said he never stalked any of the victims, the prosecution said a 2nd time he wasnt near the house that night,
They're not going off the PCA, they threw that out
Did you hear what Sy Ray said when he testified? & also the DNA expert? Officer Payne admitted under oath that he didn't know where evidence was, that they destroyed some of it
& that they don't have his car on video or picture
If you go back, don't listen to main stream media you'll 'll see, they push they're narrative
I'm awake!
He left his knife sheath with his DNA at the bloody crime scene, and plus his car was seen on video around the area at around 4 am, the time of the crime. This is an open and shut case, seriously.
The only way it could probably get tricky is that whole genetic genealogy thing coz I remember months back there was a lot of talk about how it was conducted n all that stuff?
I just hope he doesn't walk on a technicality, coz it's clear as day to me that he's responsible.
@@nevadatan7323 not to me. However, we can be adults & disagree ❤️ peace ✌️
One thing for sure, this case illustrates how easy it is...and frightening that someone could get arrested for mass murder with the lack of evidence, lack of motive, lack of everything. Imagine going to jail, prison or losing your life this way.
that’s the law, if u don’t like it, moved to some 3rd world
Banana republic 😂
This dude is guilty as sinn dnt u ever say that he is guilty look at the evidence
@@MissingRenoboy Not at all, DNA is enough.
@@MissingRenoboy You fans of murderers make it nearly impossible to convict the guilty. Just look at Scott Peterson! All those appeals and his fans still want a new trial and the evidence is overwhelming!
@@studiosinger if it’s proven his car wasn’t there, do you still think he’s guilty? I don’t think car his car was there but I still have a hard time with his DNA being at the crime scene
Gray Hughes is a terrible person. Which makes this whole video seem unreliable
Cannot stand him
💯 👍
100%
Mike King as well.
How? He’s trying to solve cases. His opinion is way better and more accurate than the skeptics in this case.
@LiarSlayer197 His opnions. Exactly what they should be. Gray likes to create logic and facts off of his opinions. He still swears to this day that kohberger is a "creep who stalked madison" however facts say otherwise. Not to mention the sour attitude and degrading of his followers and people he speaks "stories" on.
The AW isn’t the car - it’s going the wrong way on AW.. aww Vinnie you went with the wrong guy for this case. :)
@@truthtransparency Amen!
Amen ❤
Yupp .. this segment was straight fabrication lol
That's a dark coloured car there showing Bryan's was a white car. If Bryan done all this driving around why is there no video of him getting gas.
Sorry you're wrong boss
Hey Vinnie! Love your work! How come no one talks about the comment Bryan made when he was arrested? The comment -am I the only one arrested?
No, he didn't say that.
@@Stroopwaffe1I love stroopwaffels 😂
@@Stroopwaffe1 he 100% said, was anybody else arrested.
Very very good video! Thank you
33:01 I feel that they have more evidence & we don’t know about it.
Here is why it's hard to prove... cause I believe Kohberger didn't do it. Here is my theory. First, understand the Idaho has a 3 strike and you're out law... meaning 3 felonies and you go to jail for life. Xana's mom a known drug dealer already had 2 felonies and Mattie's step mom had 1 felony for dealing. Oh no, Xana's mom just got busted again for dealing (that would be her 3 felony) What? Mattie's step mom also got busted, her second felony. Keep in mind the murders have not taken place yet. I believe about 3 or 4 weeks passes and wait, what's this? Xana's mom got her felony charges reduced to a misdemeanor? Huh, that is strange. What? Maddie's stepmom also got her charges reduced. It seems like no one knows why. Within a week of that happening the murders took place. What's this? About a week later, WA state makes the largest cartel drug bust in the states history.
Yes, I believe this was the cartel. That is why it was so professional. That is why they walked right past Dylan. The targets were Mattie and Xana, the other 2 unfortunately were in the wrong place at the wrong time.
I believe that cops know it was the cartel but they will not go after them. I'm not sure why maybe they fear for their own families lives or maybe the don't want the public to know that the guy you are standing behind in the check out line or sitting next to in a restaurant are member of the cartel. They are all over the US
if you are right, then how did kohberger get sucked into this?
@@mito88 cause that house was known for selling drugs and Kohlberger did drugs. And he probably did have a crush on one of them and he may have even stalked her a bit. I have a friend stalked his now wife. He wanted run into her at a cafe, ect and make like it was a coincidence. There are just too many that don't add with Kohlberger. I have a friend who's aunt works in a crime lab and she said it is virtually imposable to stab 4 people with a knife and get in your car and not have some trace DNA.
@@aggerleejones200
wasn't his dna found inside the rooms?
@@mito88 trace DNA was found on a button of a knife sheath placed on the bed right next to one of the victims. that is all they found... it was only trace DNA and it was only on the button the opens the knife sheath. Yet they say he stabbed four people and couldn't find any trace DNA in his car. According to the FBI that is extremely unusual
7:21 the gates don’t always get closed!
There is a video if you search ‘twizzlesticks’, he drove there late at night and the gate was open and his cell dropped!
Exactly there’s overnight camping- they can’t lock you in!!!
Why did the state create a FALSE map of his travels?
Because they wanted to. Who cares? Why does that matter?
@@LiarSlayer197 because its reasonable doubt that he's guilty
Isn't that nuts? Starting to think he was set up!!
@@LiarSlayer197It matters because a Probable Cause is needed to arrest someone for a crime. The State fabricated a map of Kohberger's route in the probable cause to help convince the judge.
The longer this goes on the weaker the Bill of Rights and Constitution become.
@@Jupiter1423 reasonable how? Let’s hear your nonsense. You better explain yourself and not disappear. The skeptics are losing their minds in this case.
Very disappointed with the intro to this video that said Ethan was one of the roommates and that he lived at the house with the girls. Even a small detail like that is important to the credibility of this video. Makes me wonder what other small things might not be accurate in your reporting.
CourtTV has gotten very sloppy. It used to be reliable now it is kind of gossipy mixed with facts and you can't always tell which is which.
@@addie_is_me I think you're absolutely right!
It focuses more on entertainment than facts, but I do think he’s guilty
@@dannigro8794 🎯 Yep!
If this guy is innocent, doesn't have a chance. Shows like this Concluding he is guilty.
IMO The strongest piece of evidence is the return to the 1122 king road at 9:30 am afew hours later with his phone ON and GPS of the White Elantra collaborates this.
Looking for his dropped sheath with dna on it.
Zero proof of that
The “map” created by LE is an act of fiction
Police already said that was a mistake on their part and he did not return the next morning
@@user-wo7dl6tb2qno they didn’t lol
Why is that evidence? Everyone from both schools already knew the crime happened. We were all going there to see. Also, there is one cell tower there. Every phone in Moscow and Washington campus pinged from that tower. Stop being so gullible. Everyone on this two campuses knows Dylan, Dimitri, Emma & D's boy did it. We even told police that, but they absolutely ignore it. Do you know why? Because Emma, Dimitri and Dylan are criminal drug informants. That's why. Stop allowing mainstream legacy media brainwash you. You should be able to easily identify media brainwashing immediately. When they start the program with the young adults being presented as angels, when they literally say Kaylee, Maddie and Xana were great people. When they say the house was a known gathering spot instead of a known party house and the girls were known as the ppl you get "party supplies" from you know it's all propaganda. When they flat out lie about cell phone pings, when they ignore the fact that ppl did go running with kohberger between 2 and 4 am on several occasions. When they lie about dna when there wasn't enough aleals to get a dna hit, there are serious serious problem. Also, Let us not forget, there has been scream of these attacks throughout the northern west all in the 13th. All at 3am. Stop being naive.
What has never clicked is the photo of the white car released by police and media never matched Bryan Kohberger's 2015 Elantra because his car does not have paralellogram shaped headlights, differing from the photo, and the photographed white car's body has different ridge lines. The sheath reportedly did not test positive on the first test, and a miniscule particle of 2nd or 3rd generation touch DNA that only tested on a subsequent test, does not equal guilty, nor is touch DNA ever an exact match to someone's DNA.
The police only ever released stock images of a car in the year range they were looking for. Stills of security footage didn’t come from the police nor did they ever say that car. And that’s not how DNA works fyi
Yep
Love when Cody participated! Brilliant smile, honest reporting. 🌟
Great complement to Vinnie.
excellent coverage
I go to parks after hours often. It’s not an alarming situation.
Why didn’t he give this “alibi” in the very beginning? From the day they arrested him.
Good point.
Bc he guilty as f
He started to in the initial 15 minute interview, when he realized they were trying to frame him, he asked for a lawyer....that IS what happened
@@Stefania98sTaylor is holding it close to the vest, but you don't realize that. Sy Ray has already stated on the stand that the data provided so far is exculpatory for Kohberger....
Everyone has known that his alibi was "driving around" since the beginning of this case. The part about the stargazing and the park was the only new information.
So the alibi is " it's someone else with the exact car I have because I was watching the Moon "
And it was, Demetrius Robinson's brother, who had the exact same car - no sunroof and all the nuts and bolts the LE couldn't pick up but some you tuber did. There was a picture of Robinson's car in Demetrius' driveway before the murders, but, of course, it quickly disappeared. And, that car got rid of really really fast.
Police and FBI identified the car as a 2011-2013 Elantra. BK doesn't have one .
Bryon phone might ping from that tower, but he can be 25 miles away ...DAH! But GEO location puts him right where he stands .. and GEO location expert witness says he was never at that house and the police are missing some of the data...and Bill Thompson said bryon never stalk the victims, it came out at the hearing. I wish you ppl would tell the truth and learn the facts before saying all these lies
As for that park being closed to automobiles, I have visited parks before when they were technically closed. I just parked, ducked underneath the gate, and made my walk in the park.
4:44 why haven’t they shown any images of ‘HIS’ car…
How about tracking the phones of the officers in the undercover car!
Because they don't have any ?
@@tonystevenson26you mean to tell me they don’t have any picture or videos to show the jury.? Use your common sense and don’t be foolish.
@@Jazlin92665 Law enforcement admitted in court that they had no footage of BK's car. Watch the livetream of the motion to compel hearing.
@@just-a-generic-username I DID watch it. No they did not admit that. YOU go watch it again. They were referring to his car not being on certain cameras. He DID drive by the victims home 30 minutes before the murder and then directly after. How else would they have known to look for a white Elantra.?? Huh.? How else.?
@@Jazlin92665 So because they saw a white Elantra, it must be his even though they have no video footage of that white Elantra that would prove who owns it and what the license plate is? How do you know the perpetrator was even driving that car and not another one or walking? How ridiculous.
They had such beautiful lives and bright futures, free, white, and twenty-one
Wow - WHITE IS AN ATTRIBUTE!!!! YOU ARE CERTAINLY NOT A RACIST.
@@Chipwipple what does being white have to do with anything?
free, "white?" and twenty-one... Only white people have beautiful lives and bright futures? What a shitty comment 💩
Without a reasonable doubt. It's all circumstantial. They better have way more than what they have shown us to convict.
Did you forget about his DNA on the knife sheath
@@jakekoenighain5805 research touch DNA and how our DNA is EVERYWHERE, and, how long it lasts on metal, brass in this instance. If you want a conviction, you're not going to be happy with what you find.
@jakekoenighain5805 that's debatable
@@debbiestinnett2987 if you were his lawyer how would you explain it being there?
He hasn't given a full alibi yet . He wilm not do that until prosecution hands over all discovery which they are refusing to do and no judge is making them accountable
13:54 how can they state that as fact ? This case is a joke and anybody that doesn’t see that is delusional in my opinion … plus the same dirty cops did a horrible job investigating the Brian drake murder . They should ALL BE FIRED !!! Everyone working on the case
Why they wanna demolish the house the crime scene? Raises the doubts, Circumstantial evidences nothing conclusive or concrete evidence, stock photos of the car very small unnoticeable dna no eye witnesses, where are the clear videos of him near the house? No knife no motive, someone is covering the crime
He never said he was stargazing at all. Why does everyone say this?
OMG, what a bs alibi! It’s quite laughable!
Like all those students and frat boys saying they were sleeping, and lawyering up
@@tonystevenson26tge funny thing is all those frat boys have been investigated. There were police presence at the frat for days investigating all of them and they aren't in jail but bk sure is! Stop blaming innocent ppl just to deflect blame away from bk because it's not working!
Great reporting, Cody. And of course, Vinnie 💃.
Also that knife sheath. He could have sold or pawned it or even given it to someone. Ya know college kids do that type of stuff.
If he ends up being not guilty… people that put him in that position will have hell to pay for all of this and he won’t get what time he’s lost of his life behind bars.
You made me chuckle when reminding us that evil Knievel was using the Snake River 4 one of his fetes. “Cody ur too young to remember”. Hilarious 😂😂😂
In videos I've seen undercover cop's driving white aluntras. It's not absurd to go out late at night to walk because I do it all the time, and I've been into closed parks before to. What doesn't make sense is the time elapsed to call 911 how come that's not ever mentioned. The car video is useless could be anyone driving.
Especially after Payne debunked Floyd's in his testimony. And he's never even been there. Why would anyone put a guy with 2 yrs' experience in charge of a huge case ahead of other dets with way more experience if not to have it screwed up?
Yes the park is closed at night, but Wawawai Rd is open and if you go pass the park entrance less than a mile down the road there is a parking lot on the right hand side. It where U of I crew team practices on the Snake River. BK easily park there.
That makes sense.
Wouldn't the fact that the guy reporting on taking the drive to Wawawai park and losing cell service possubly explain why Kohberger's phone was "turned off" during certain timeframe?
I'm 67 years old and grew up in the Seattle area, until I became a student at Washington State University in Pullman, Washington in 1975. And as a side note, the drinking age in Moscow, Idaho was 19, which is one of the benefits of that city because it's only 8 miles from Pullman. So I spent a lot of time in Moscow (where the University of Idaho is located) partying there until I turned 21 and could now drink in Washington. I spent 7 years in the "Palouse" as we call it, until I got my degree. I lived there full time for 5 years. And being that Moscow is only 8 miles from Pullman, students from WSU spend time over there. The drinking age has been 21 for quite awhile, but Moscow has good restaurants, and nightlife, and the University of Idaho campus is right near DT. Moscow isn't a big city. Everyone in Pullman and Moscow are wheat farmers, plus the students and the University of Idaho staff. It's one of the things I love about eastern Washington compared to western Washington. It's very rural, slow and folksy over there. Our football team the WSU Cougars have been playing the Idaho Vandals since the schools were still colleges and not state universities. We're friendly cross-state rivals. We coexist in harmony and peace. Except maybe stumbling drunks on Friday nights in Greek Row and DT Moscow. Not much else happens there. It's literally surrounded by hundreds of miles of wheat fields. Which by the way are fabulous, and watching harvest time in July is something that's hard to convey. The air smells like hay for a month. In the summer, the 15,000 students are gone and it's just the local folks. I graduated in 1982 and went back to Seattle and worked at SeaTac Airport for 27 years. And I still have a good friend from my dorm days (1975-1977) that still lives in Pullman because she married a fellow dorm friend, and they had a child. Which they raised there, and she got her Master's in Education, and worked for the College of Education until she retired a couple of years ago. And so in the last 45 years I go back to my alma mater Washington State University at least once a year for a football game, because I have a free place to stay. And I love it in the summer there so much that I go several times because I'm retired now. And my friend cooks for me, and drives me around town, and we always go to Moscow, Idaho when I am there because there is a store called "Tri-Place" that is kind of like a cross between a grange and a hardware store. And maybe a Big5. It's been there as long as I went there. And then we go kick around town and eat somewhere, where we talk about the wild stuff we did at age 19 because it was legal to drink. And then we drove home drunk 8 miles after last call. It's actually the location of many fatalities, they have added several passing lane in the 49 years I have been driving back and forth. If my friend Debbie didn't still live there all this time, I wouldn't ever have been there as much as I have. I recently moved to Astoria, Oregon which I love, but instead of 286 miles to Pullman it's 442 miles and it's added 2 hours to the usual 6 hours it used to take. But it's OK, because the drive over to the Palouse which is described as "God's Country" due to its idyllic setting and hundreds of miles of fertile, rich soil filled with amber waves of grain. Making it the largest wheat field producing area in the US. Anyway, when I heard about the "Idaho 4 Murders" it was unbelievable and impossible to compute. I had been to Pullman 3 times in the summer of 2022, and had been to Moscow all 3 times. And as the breaking story unfolded as I was getting ready for Thanksgiving week, I was shocked of course. But it's so hard for anyone to understand how improbable it was that 4 young students were stabbed to death in the middle of the night in their off campus large house. And suddenly Moscow, Idaho became the center of the national news. For gosh sake, Nancy Grace was there! Court TV was there! The residents have never had anything like this happen before. And then as the case unfolded and Bryan became the suspect, and he was a grad student at Washington State University in August of 2022. And he was living in the Steptoe Village Apartments where I lived in 1978 for a year. And while I was visiting Debbie, I drove around to all the different places I had lived while I was a student there. And I went to Steptoe Village, and saw several people moving in and out. And according to the timeline of coming to WSU I could have crossed paths with him. 😳 The whole story just kept getting worse and worse, until he was finally caught, and charged with their murders. And so the case slowed down a little while he retained a lawyer, and the court process got started. It was a slam dunk case because of the knife sheath with his DNA on it, and the white car footage, and all sorts of stuff. I'm still so angry that he killed those young, innocent University of Idaho students, so I haven't even watched all of his court shenanigans, and narcissistic, sociopathic and creepy claims and ramblings. This whole case is just too close to home for me. But when I heard the news that he claims he was "star gazing" down at Wawawai Park at 3am I nearly lost my sh*t. Because I have spent a ton of time down at Wawawai Park on the Snake River because it's the only body of water anywhere near Pullman and Moscow. And it gets blazing hot there May thru September, so we all drive 26 miles to get to drink, jump off a big rock, swim and flirt with other college students. But only during the day. It's literally in the middle of nowhere. It's a 2 lane road that turns into dirt roads, that maybe has 2 or 3 houses in 15 miles. It's all scrub brush hills with a few big farm houses that are up on a hill. And there are zero street lights. This is just a county road that only leads to the Park. And the big rock you can climb on. There really isn't any "beach". And in the 49 years I have been going there I have never been there past maybe 10pm in the summer time. Because there would be absolutely no reason to be down there. It's completely isolated and scary dark. You're 26 miles from the nearest city. So his story is absolute crap. You can star gaze a mile from Pullman and Moscow, you don't need to drive down to the Snake River to do that. 🙄 But he's also smart because there is no way to prove he wasn't there, because again, there isn't even cell phone reception once you turn off to the Wawawai Park arrow.
All I know is this case is very personal to me, and I hope he is found guilty, and rots in prison. And the attention on him will be gone, which he craves, and the kids families can move on. ✅
^this the killer
This case is devastating, I feel so sorry for the victims and the families.
I am not convinced 100% that he is the perpetrator, if you actually look at the true evidence (not the added media crap). I’m not a conspiracist, but I do actually look into information that’s more than just prosecution fed. I do not get the huge delay in phoning the cops. Three+ hours shock… very bizarre. This case is just odd.
they have to have computer or phone proof of him stalking them. if there is nothing like that, then he for sure is not guilty. there is no way this guy did it and did not leave a computer trail. i would not believe that. i want to see computer stalking proof like photos of the girls on his hard drive ... just one F photo...
@@RichBuddy The lead prosecutor stated in court that the stalking narrative is false, and Kohberger's team has repeatedly stated that the prosecution hasn't established any connection between him and the victims.
But you are a conspiracist, because we (nor you) have access to the 'true evidence', yet you are here parroting the exact lines the conspircay theorist constantly push.
And, why the clean up after the crime was committed?
@@gunsworkforme I didn’t even know that! By who?
What gets me about the suspect vehicle 1’s driving several times around the King road residence is that while driving around, he had the opportunity to change his mind, and he didn’t. It’s even more tragic, sad, and chilling because of that. It just shows how evil the killer truly was!!
how do you know the car had anything to do with it?
He was ready as soon as he left home.
@@twizlestick8120exactly. What is the evidence the killer(s) didn't walk away from the crime scene?
@@dougcorcoran5455 it makes way more sense in a college town like moscow/pullman to walk
I think there is more evidence than we’ve been told. Is this possible?
Not only is it possible, but it is likely that there is more evidence than what has been shared with public. We will get the full picture once the trial begins.
We can only hope. Years of waiting for these families has to be agonizing and to think if they can't prove who did this.
What on earth was this programme supposed to prove. It proved absolutely nothing to me. I didnt see the car, his car, nothing. & you talked where did he dispose of the knife & his blood stained clothes, well what did you tell us on that, nothing at all. No blood anywhere in his car & the killer must have been covered in blood yet not the slightest bit of blood anywhere. In fact not the slightest bit of evidence anywhere. If the police have evidence isnt he supposed to also be allowed to see it to build a defence against it. On all the supposed evidence you have produced in the last 40 minutes it would take me 40 sec to find him not guilty. This programme or the cointent in it was a complete waste of time as there is no content whatsoeve showing someone committed a crime.
@petergibbs1683 Ya, maybe Tinkerbell committed that horrible crime.. It can't be BK. They found BK's DNA on part of the weapon, found on Maddies bed. And only his DNA, no one else's. And you will find out, at the trial, that BK purchased that kbar knife and sheath, brand new, from Amazon, 7 months before the murders. That's why they only found his DNA on that sheath. BUSTED.......
@petergibbs1683 You don't know anything about the evidence, because of BK's gag order, that he wanted and received. Blame BK.
The report that drove the same route Bryan drove star gazing. Said hes cell phone lost single on some of that drive. Didn't they say Bryan phone was turned off the time of the murders. That's probably how it went of loosening single. Strange court tv didn't say anything about the reporters phone loosening single.
How does his DNA show up in the murder scene?
Great show, Vinnie!
Excellent work, Cody! Actually going to the scenes and checking things out, while taking us along with you, was great!
Loved seeing Grey Hughs on the show, too. He knows his stuff!
HEY VINNIE, why don't you read THE ACTUAL AFFIDAVIT. Bryan DID NOT STOP at Kate's Cup Of Joe for coffee,. PER THE AFFIDAVIT, the vehicle was seen DRIVING PAST KATE'S CUP OF JOE. That is in addition do the other myriad misinformational tidbits being spewed on this channel, regarding the Idaho case.
Do you rememember back in the day when CourtTV was the go to for facts? Its silly now, misinformation, sensationalism, bias, etc.and people eat it up.
Dorks
Vinny smokes crack
Yea I listen to this stuff and keep wondering y all this info was leaked and I kinda figured that all these little things might not be exactly right. Also realy p’s me off about the girl that saw him and no 911 call til noon! Supposedly she even saw them dead and calls other people.
You can be at the park location and not "in" the park beyond the gate.
Not too bright Court TV guys
Yes, now you know why Vinnie isn't a real lawyer but a half-ass journalist.
There is no motive, why this house? Why these victims? The police have said these victims were targeted that it was a crime of passion. They assured the community of that repeatedly! Yet, there is NO CONNECTION between BK and any of the victims. There was NO stalking of any of the victims by BK as well. Even tho it was believed for a long time BK had been stalking them. It wasnt until the prosecution admitted there is NO EVIDENCE BK had ever been stalking any of the victims .
So theres no connection, no stalking, no reason!
A crime of passion and targeted victims??
So the police were WRONG from the beginning!
I'm still waiting for real evidence and a full, cohesive story for this case😭
They’ve got the right guy…Bryan Kohberger is FINISHED!
Good job court tv!
Bryan is innocent until proven guilty 🔥 Edit Can't see the driver 😔
Thank you for the info Vinnie, stay on top of this,…
Cody looks like he can defend himself..thank you guys. 💕 from NW Montana.
You couldn’t send someone who’s not afraid of the dark & finding his way home? Also why not go between 3-5am when he said he was there. The only thing this showed me is that the decline of “men” is real
😂😂 Good point! I'm not afraid of the dark! In fact, driving in very dark areas during those times sounds peaceful. The only thing that makes jt "creepy" is the nefarious intentions of another person.
Yourself included lol.
Obviously, you're not a black man.
There’s more than one of those cars probably in that town and with all the footage, I’m surprised no one has mentioned of getting a platte number or at least part of it
LE has plate number
Huh? How do “we know there were clothing changes” ???? That is absolute false information. You may assume this but this is not a fact.
@@Deondra72 That’s not true. He had a special outfit on him he changed.
@@studiosinger there is NO proof of that. Where is there proof ? They have speculated that “he” wore a dickies jumpsuit. But that is not fact. That have not found that or have video proof that he wore that !!!!!
@@studiosingerlmao !!! Where was that stated ? What a sheep
@@Deondra72 Yes there is. I don’t make up things.
@@studiosinger apparently you do make things up. We’ve all seen every document related to this case. Speculation and fact are two different things.
Him missing the sheath to his knife would absolutely have him paranoid enough to drive back around to see if he dropped it where he could retrieve it.
No one in Pullman-Moscow travels all the way down to Lewiston-Clarkston just to go to a couple of grocery stores. It's a 2-hour round trip and there's a gnarly winding descent to get down to the Snake River. Plus it really stinks down there.
He’s not the only man in the world with bushy eyebrows. A lot of men have those