@hankclingingsmith8707 I’ve got all that. I’m assuming you’ve never seen the build videos for my excursion 😉. It’s still loud. I’ve got single shot injectors.
I'm about 80-85ish % with ya on your chart. However, I feel you're missing a few key elements. It's too much for me to blabber about in the comments, so I must succeed...😑😆😉
I know how your parts got lost in the mail. It's because idaho doesn't exist and so all mail headed there just falls off the side of the earth...cause it's flat. 🧐
@corvairwally I would believe you, but I’ve been there several times. I was once on a motorcycle trip, and I was so happy to cross into Idaho and out of Oregon so I could pump my own gas. Those things stick with you 😂
hold on for a minute ... I live at the border of Brit Columbia Canada and Idaho.. nearest Idaho town is Bonners Ferry ... was just there a few days ago !! IDAHO EXISTS. scouts honor it really does.
The few times I've pulled a 6.4 powerstroke apart theyve been destroyed. Either by carbon buildup or something relating to coolant getting into the oil. Id love new diesels if they were just more reliable.
I got over 242,000 on mine and still running strong. The 6.4 is very easy to make power, because a complete delete and a very mild tune gets you to 500HP ! All the newer diesels require malicious maintenance and that old BT started life as a 300HP tractor motor that can be neglected and keep on going. They detuned it to put in the pickup so that it didn't kill the transmission!
A p pump 12 v bottom end can handle about 700hp stock, all you need is 3-4k gov springs, valve springs, arp head studs, 0 fuel plate( or no plate), a nice set of 120 horse injectors, 4 or 5 in turbo back straight pipe, nicely tuned pump, and a 3rd gen turbo (or one of your choosing), and you can make a clean very reliable 450-550 hp with over 1000ft lbs of torque, and also a tranny that’ll hold this power, but it is very easy and very cheap to build one of these pigs, love the vids please correct if I’m wrong but I’ve seen and helped build multiple p pump 12v to rippers ( can’t say the same for VE pump 12v, there just pigs )
You need everything I listed to make a reliable, streetable, clean 550HP or 700HP. I don’t spend money unless I have to 😉. It might be easy, but it isn’t cheap.
@@freedomworx yes totally agree, that would make a truck drive like a dream, and run like a top 365 days out of the year, but we are normal, everyday drivers that tow wheelers on weekends, if your not doing boosted launches and already have the normal upgrades such as, lift pump, egt-coolant-trans temp gauges, and have a manual tranny , but we have all gotten very lucky and scored on two built trannys for under 2000$ a peice still rippin three years later, but a normal dude with common sense can do a minimal build and keep the motor alive. Keepin it cheap and driving moderate, again these vids are super informational, love it keep it up 👍
Wrong stock bottom end will handle over 1000hp on a 12v. A 5.9common rail will only handle 700hp because of the rods. That's why they put 12v rods on the common rails. Tons of 12v pulling trucks over 1000hp with stock bottom ends
@@bigmurph1447 damnnnn, I’ve heard of people running shitloads of power through stock bottom ends, I’ve just never witnessed a 12v with over 650hp, thanks man 👍ima read up on some builds.
Make millions with a 12 valve every year still ... But In first or second gear and Almost at idol Behind Drilling Rigs. Alot of drilling rigs came with 12 valves not just my trucks so that makes me happy ....I hear that sound in my Dreams.
Something about putting in the extra effort to balance the crank, rods and pistons as well as putting every part through electrolysis to clean it all the way up just gives you peace of mind. The way a balanced engine runs and sounds is amazing as well as how much vibration gets eliminated.
Engine balancing is overrated in my opinion. I threw a small block together with a piston that was 80 grams lighter than the other 7. Has a blower on it and runs at 3k rpm all day long, with runs up to 5,500. Has zero vibration. It’s a complete waste of money on an engine like this Cummins though. It simply won’t spin fast enough to ever notice. If you want to spin one of these heavy pigs up to 5k or 6k, that’s a different story.
1st time watching one of your videos, I watch another dude that does workout videos Ryan Humiston, and I swear you not only look like him but your humor is exactly like his. You made me laugh about 80 times. Educational and funny. Subscribed!
Im glad you made this video, i love my 12v cummins. Its a stick shift, 4x4, dually found it for 9k bone stock. Ive installed compounds, replaced turbos, imstalled a dual mass clutch, and now im on to head studs and pump upgrades. This is really expensive and time consuming. But i wouldnt trade how easy the repairs are for the hp my dads 6.7 makes, hes spent triple just in repairs for failed parts
Well having worked for Briggs and Stratton as a Co-op while is was engineering school, I can tell you that just about anything in that engine that makes you scratch your head, is the way it is to reduce manufacturing costs 😉
wow it amazes me how far trucks have come my 2018 F150 is putting 350 🐎 horse and 430 pounds of torque to the ground with just a 93 octane tune. just a decade or so ago u had to have a Diesel to make that much. We are really spoiled horsepower wise with modern truck! Not to mention modern Diesels putting out 500 horse and 1200 pounds of torque!! unfortunately emissions systems and def have killed there reliability. Great video brother I'm not really a Cummins guy but I enjoy this video and look forward to more
My ‘18 halfton ford with 5.0 out pulls the 05 dodge with 5.9 Cummins I had once. Both in take off and up hills. Sure, it revs out more but still, goes to show how overrated Cummins and other diesels are compared to modern gassers. If I was pulling trailers very often I would go with a diesel but for pulling a heavy load a few times a year, having a stinky noisy Cummins is impractical and not economical any anyway. Way quicker, more comfortable, and fun to drive than a big turf with a tractor engine
My 53 Ford F600 4x4 and My RV both have 12 valve Cummins. They run on anything except gasoline and i don't do crazy things with them so hoping for a million miles.
Hones are really meant to make a bore round and take the taper out while taking them to size as well and to give them a good finish, that is actually a degalzer but what ever😶
Let me ask you this, why do machine shops use a hone after they bore a cylinder? Why not just bore the cylinder and send it out the door? I mean, it’s already straight and true, right??? There are very few instances where a machine shop will use a hone to true up a cylinder. They will bore the cylinder to true it up, and then use a hone to achieve the proper surface finish, just like I said 🥱
ive been slowly but surely building my 97 7.3 into a (more) reliable motor. been a fun project to say the least, every time a part fails, i do my research and replace it with something tougher or more efficient. the fluidampr harmonic balancer and melling LPOP was the last real battle I had with the truck. injector o-rings and valve cover gaskets are coming up next. i did wonder for a while if i wouldn't have been better off 12v swapping it but the money never looked right when you consider all the supporting mods into that swap, especially when i already had a running truck producing acceptable power. i appreciate the video my man.
Fixing the 7.3L will be cheaper by a huge margin. Pretty much everyone underestimates the budget and time required to do a swap. Just keep throwing money at the Powersmoke. 👍
I was always on the fence with diesels, but I still remember the day Mozart's Lacrimosa played in my head when I saw a single cab shortbed D150 Cummins swap with a turbo bolted straight to the exhaust manifold timed right at head, piped directly to the intake. It was so beautiful. So simple. Just a turbo, a short piece of pipe, and two short rubber hose connectors. Straight out the turbo and literally straight into the throttle body. Perfection.
I worked as a Heavy equipment mechanic for Dresser Equipment Co back in the early 80's. Dresser was the Construction Equipment Division of International Harvester after a split in the company due to poor finances. Dresser had the rights to use IH engines for a number of years, but those rights ended int he 80's and they moved to engines supplied by Cummins. I received factory training on those engines at that time, and compared to the old OH engines we were used to these were a pile of crap, engineered mainly to reduce the cost of building, not for strength or durability. Case in point, sleeveless cylinders; aslo no replaceable cam bearings. Cheap, cheap, cheap. We hated 'em. Except for one thing, they turned out to be great engines, far far better than we thought they would be. As you've noted, they've proven themselves to be very durable engines, funny considering how cheaply they are built. I would still prefer an old IH engine, and in fact for the same time period as these I would go with an old 6.9l Power Stroke. I can still remember driving my old man's Ford with the 6.9 with Banks turbo kit installed, and walking past the Dodges on uphill runs pulling a 5th wheel TT. The 6.9 is a heavy duty design, far better than the Cummins, but they had problematic fuel injection system and glow plug control, both of which can be corrected with after market parts. Or at least could be, I don't know if the after market is still supporting them, that was a long time ago. There was also the DT360, again, a much better design; built like a full size heavy duty diesel engine. A guy could choose far worse for a project than an old DT 360.
@@freedomworx well, IH knows how to cast seriously strong iron blocks. Even their gas V8's, 345's & 392's, were known for going 250k or more miles, easily.
I had a Case 2096 with the 5.9 Cummins…the engine was phenomenal!…the tractor not so much…Case put them in most of their construction equipment that was 20 ton and under…they had them in their Maxxum 5100 and 5200 series…super engines!..
Diesels aren’t really my thing, but they’ve been on the fringe of my interest for a while now. This was an entertaining entry into the subject. Great video style. It’s also cool to see something other than a LS go into the service truck. You got yourself a new subscriber!
I never understand why people try to juice up 12 valves... The best thing about them is that they're tireless dogs. Add oil. Add diesel or jet fuel. Go for literally forever.
@@freedomworx Dep[ends, if you just want a reliable work truck that will get you from point A to point B for decades with very few problems they are great, if you want a sport truck they suck in stock form.
I have a 4.0 inline 6 in my 2006 jeep just because the engine is reliable and easy to work on. On the highway I'm doing 70mph no problem. I agree with you keep it simple
Loved the video. The 12 valve is my favorite engine by a mile. I pulled one out of a ford box truck to swap into my dually square body. Timing cover plaque states 230HP @2200rpm and 605ft lbs of torque @1400rpm. It moves the truck along pretty nice, although I've always wanted to turn it up. But so far I've left it alone because I absolutely need that stock, million mile reliablity. But it's tempting...
Kdp got my 1st gen at 190k ish previous owner payed to have it fixed. They jb welded the cracked case and billed for doing it right, left the pin in the oil pan for me to find. The crank gear slipped ~ ½ a tooth retarded the cam. Stock 160/400 tune made 491.0@1846 178.3@1976 to the tire. At~500k mi it got an overhaul crank was bent and mains where tapered from1 @0.0045 through 4@0.0035 5-7 @0.0035 so would pass mustard as factory new.. 5 and 6 where 0.003 out of round and took 0.020 over to clean up. Point is theas are tuff motors. Put the 2nd gen on a 3k lbs trailer (16500lbs total)and went for a 550mi drive to seat the rings
Bought my first cummins truck, 97 12v, has arp heads, and sure fire ring head, and new holset hx35, i dont know what size injectors are on it but was told they aren't stock so woohooo, I'm very happy with it. Paid 6200 bucks for it 5 speed manual. I just needed a good farm truck so I probably won't do anything to it, has plenty of get up and go for my needs. But watching this video and learning about the killer dowel pin, I will most definitely look into any aftermarket stuff that might fix that, so if anyone has any suggestions please let me know.
Yeah, you need to make sure the KDP gets addressed. You've probably got leaks on the front end that need to be addressed anyway while you have it apart. 😉
Amen to the ball hone, brother! I've used both, prefer the ball hone, and had the same good results with both. Keep on building. Do some small Toyota forklift diesel converted to work in a truck diesel stuff...... Sub'd. I like your style.
@@freedomworx Yes sir. Mostly 4-cylinder stuff with smaller pump and injectors since they're set for maximum =torque RPM. Nissan has diesel forklift engines as well. There are Deutz diesel engines, baby Cummins, and others in ground service equipment. The overland Expedition can have a Toyota overland build with a diesel engine built from a forklift. Will this work? I don't know, but a build like this would suit your style of lets go for it. Forklifts and ground service equipment like Tugs have these mechanical diesels. I don't know, something to think about when you wonder why you contemplate other things.
Yes I’m all here for the build had a 99 v8 was gonna diesel swap but had to sell since I was in the military but in the process of getting out now and can’t wait to build this bad boy and better yet with you helping me. 👀
That Isky tool is pretty neat. I did the same thing with my 12 valve, except I did it in the truck. Had to make shorter handles for it because the original handles hit the firewall.
Good video, I've spent 15k+ on just making sure my 12 valve runs good for another 30 years. It was bone stock, probably didnt need to mess with it, if you ever driven a stock p7100 you know the struggles. Banks twin ram, ex manifold, afc live, 58mm turbo, exhaust brake, intercooler, headjob, banks intake, ARP studs, straight pipe, gauges, ETC. Its ready for the end times but it probably makes 250-3500 hp for ever.
Lisle makes a version of the old Sunnen style hone and they sell it for less than a couple hundred bucks. If your bore is still within size spec for your current pistons and you just want to true it back up you can get it down to tenths of taper with one, and if there's any oval shape to your bores it'll make them round again too. They're supposed to go in a machine to get the perfect crosshatch, but you can do just fine putting it into a hand drill. I did the cylinders on my tractor engine because they needed re-sleeving and I've had zero issues with oil consumption, so I know the crosshatch turned out fine. If you get under half a thou taper you can spin it to 8 grand no problem. Since this is a diesel at 4 grand, you'll have zero issues with that 1 thou of taper and it would be overkill trying to exceed it. You know it's not out of round by more than that either, which is also fine. You'll probably distort the cylinders more than that torquing down the head.
Excellent video. From someone not on the bandwagon i can agree with practically everything you said. I dont think ive ever heard anyone push the lbz that hard but id say theyre solid to 550. Hurts a little to not see the idi's represented, you can certainly buy and build a 7.3 idi to get 300hp for under 10k no problem, does take a fair bit more work than all the others though, assuming NA, add another couple grand to hit 400. Perks are theyre quiet, second best sounding engine behind the 6.0, and they were put in the best looking pickups.
Yeah, all of those numbers are obviously debatable. I was just trying to get folks to think about the entire picture, the entire truck, before deciding that they "had to have a 12 valve"
I like any diesel that can pull 30k gross every day and hit 1 million miles with only oil/filter changes. In this case, that is the 12V/P7100. Truck was $2500 in 2007, still runnin.
@@freedomworx I don't use automatics. I run the NV4500 with a 5th gear modification. Before that it backed off the nut in 5th gear pulling a load of drill pipe. I have rebuilt the 46re,47re,48re for friends every 100k miles. I've never put all the fancy sonnax parts in etc, but that may increase the mileage. If I was going to run an Auto it would be the Allison 3000 series, rugged duty, same ones they run on trash trucks etc.
My daily is a Duramax, and that Alison 1000 is the tits. Your out an Allison 1000 next to a 46,47,48, and it makes you wonder how the Dodge transmission last as long as they do. Tiny little critters.
@@freedomworx That makes since, I saw them being advertised on another channel. Thank you for the replies, your channel is a lot of fun to watch. You do a great job editing and the jokes are spot on.
Very good video. Im currently on my journey to a big diesel truck. My dad has a 7.3 powerstroke 1997 he likes, the truck looks petty cool. I myself starting fresh am looking for a diesel truck to get into and im stuck between 12v or a 7.3. Starting fresh before buying books and spending hours and hours researching, which do you think is best to jump into, my goals are to have a very reliable truck to work around the farm( horse trail, hauling a 2 ton mini escavator), keep kinda like a classic, and daily driver.
Honestly, whichever one you like the most. And buy one that someone else has already spent money on😎. Let someone else spend the money on tuning, exhaust, trans, etc.
I’ll say this I’ve seen a lot of people who love the coyote engine from ford but my experience with one was at first positive then went to the negative once i started seeing every issue it had to offer between 2016-2022 we ended up trading it in for a 22 ram 1500 big horn 4x4 which has been more reliable than the ford and the crazy thing is the ford was well maintained, regular oil changes, tire rotations, replacing brakes and rotors when it was needed, but the truck had a little gremlin that would see if one thing was fixed it would break another thing til it got to the point of the truck becoming unreliable due to overheating and because I was diagnosed with cancer in 2022 that would be a big problem since my appointments weren’t exactly a quick trip one of the medical facilities was 15-25 mins from me but the other was around 35-40 minutes from me which would be a huge problem if we broke down on the way there so that prompted us to finally trade in the ford for a ram 1500 4x4 big horn with a 5.7 Hemi and so far it has been an amazing truck, it’s got everything we could ask for, independent climate controls for driver and passenger, a 9ch Harmon kardon audio system with a 12.0 inch infotainment system although we might have the larger 14.0 inch screen I’d have to measure it regardless it’s useable as the truck has a backup camera, and does gps which is nice, it has satellite radio the truck also features a 120v inverter so you can plug your wall charger in for your phone or whatever device you need to charge such as a laptop, tablet etc so it’s nice and the truck has pretty decent ground clearance for a stock 4x4 truck so definitely one of my new favorites!
I’d hope a 2022 truck is still reliable. I daily a 2006 Duramax with 190k miles on it. It’s never been to a shop in 18 years. I’ve replaced 2 glow plugs, 2 front wheel hubs, and seals on the fuel filter housing. That’s a total of $550 in parts and about 6 hours of labor in 18 years. 😉
My philosophy has always been get what you can out of your vehicle/engine until something breaks, then mod it. My Duramax is at 753,000 miles with a few water pumps and one set of injectors (Yes still original CP3 pump). Tuned of course but she keeps going, trans too. My close friend has a 2012 Cummins and has done so much work to it.... and suffered several breakdowns, mostly because of the work that he thought would be benificial.
The Duramax trucks don’t get enough credit for their reliability and longevity. My daily is a 2006 LBZ truck. 190k miles with nothing more than glow plugs and fuel filter housing seals.
@@freedomworx mine blew the HG at 193k, but it was also 500hp. And it still pulled my 9k camper on a 3k mile trip threw CO and SD with a blown HG. I love my LBZ. It's a much better truck over all then anything that came with a Cummins in it.
With minimal diesel knowledge from me... what's your opinion on P pump 24V? and re engine swaps, 4BT are more popular in some cases, to at least slightly reduce weight. Turns out they even make a 16V 4BT too but they're hens teeth.
I like how he leaves the option of a 24 valve and the fact that you can make a a reliable 500 to 600 horsepower easily with the 6.1 stroker 12 valve and you can still make a 24 valve run with no wires fully mechanical by putting a p pump on it
I also left out the 6.4 Powerstroke which will make more power for less than every other engine on the list. There is nothing economical about a 6.1 Stroker or P-Pumping a 24 Valve.
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I will keep my 12 valve even though it did drop the dowel pin 6 years ago
Man you and me have similar tastes. I like tinkering with trucks and reloading and the 2a as well. I have a 550 on my bench along with a few other presses. The Dillon is the only kinda progressive press I own though.
I’m here to defend and trash my 6.0 all in one comment. You can build a 600 horse truck for way less than 26 grand but your little tidbit about the trans being able to hold it is dead wrong, I’ve gone through 3 stock ones in 3 years at about 500-550 horse 😂
There is no comparison between a 6BT and a modern Powerstroke or Duramax. The Cummins was designed as an industrial engine in the 80's with little to no emissions requirements to meet. The Powerstroke and Duramax engines were specifically designed as light truck engines with weight, efficiency, and emissions standards to consider. And as far as power and efficiency, the 6 BT cant hold a candle to a modern Duramax or Powerstroke. Don't be a simp. I own a 7.3 Powerstroke, an LBZ Duramax, a 6BT and a Commons Rail 5.9, so I am not biased. If you want a tractor or boat engine, buy a 6BT, but don't be deceived into thinking that you are gong to buy a 2nd Gen Ram truck and get 6.7 Powerstroke Super Duty or 6.6 Duramax 2500HD performance out of it. That's a pipe dream.
@@Bill-sp8kb like I said the, the Cummins was designed for medium duty applications from the get go. It was never intended to be stuck in a pickup truck. The Duramax and Powerstroke engines, for the most part, were specifically designed for a pickup truck. They get detuned and stuck in larger trucks, but that’s not what they are designed for. And yes, Banks does produce Duramax engines for military marine applications, but that doesn’t mean they are ideal for the application. It just means Gale Banks is an awesome salesman, and the government is ran by idiots. I have worked for the government for 21 years, including 5 in the Marine Corps, and can confirm that U.S. government employees, are in fact… idiots. 🤓
I see you're fishing for comments to gain views so ill bite 😂 I have to disagree with the 7.3 logic, especially after they went to the PMR rods that are iffy at 500hp. They're an easy 300hp engine but it gets pretty expensive after that. Also, I feel you're pretty high on your 12 valve cost of adding power, at least at the lower levels. 300hp is $300 at most, 400hp is $3000-4500 depending on the trans. This is all doing the labor yourself and in my experience of course. Well put together video 👍
In my defense, I only spelled it wrong 1 out of 2 times. 😂😂. I saw it while editing. Figured it’d just be a good Easter Egg for someone. Nothing I could do about it at that point. Good eye 👍
Thought I wanted a fummins built with a rebuilt drop in engine. Dang it I thought I finally decided what I wanted. But I want reliability and value more than power, I guess 300-350hp is enough. I wanna move into a toy hauler. Thought I wanted a 7.3 powerstroke to tow it. Nah too old, will have to keep working on it and learn about all the small issues that could leave me stranded. 6.7 powerstroke 2015+? Expensive, it's gonna need the upper oil pan gasket replaced, and it's a huge PITA. Maybe duramax? The new ones are about as bad? LBZ seems much harder to find than 7.3PS.
@@freedomworx probably built 4R100. Looks like 7.3psd crate engines are more expensive (~$11,000) than 12v cummins (CPP takeout $5,299), but it would be close with the DCS conversion kit, does that seem right?
@autismion whatever you think the swap would cost, go ahead and add a minimum of 25%. And there is no reason to spend $11k on a create engine. Mine makes 500HP to the tire and has 250k miles on it. There are lower mileage used engine out there pretty cheap. Just my $0.02. And a 4R100 is pretty tough. They can handle 350HP easily in stock form.
I'll keep the 6.0 w php ficm tune stock head bolts KR Stock trans is solid along w rest of truck Rides like a truck w front leaf springs do i care no made one payment cash Had 899k kms on my previous 03 6.0 when totaled it
Still pumping out 160 crank horsepower 30 years later 😉. Doesn’t sound so impressive when I put it like that. My 54 year old Jeep Dauntless 225 V6 is still pumping out 160HP… 54 years later 😎
You dont need all that to make 500hp. And it can be done without rolling coal all over gods green earth if you drive properly. Obviously well built trans using quality parts is a given. My extended cab dually did 13.20s @ 7050lb With a 63, studs, 5x12s, 20 degrees of timing, 4ks, no plate, and a lock up switch. 1500 egts max at the end of the quarter 800 cruising. Daily drove and towed with it like that for 10 years no problems untill i got hit by drunk driver 😢 then it was totaled.
Mine is the 24v. Bigger number=Better. Mine was so high tech and clean that it came from the factory WITHOUT a catalytic converter. I have no idea what kind of HP it makes, but I have been pretty cheap with the upgrades. I first got TST to reprogram the ECM for a power increase and they lowered the idle speed. Then I got DD Stage III injectors some kind of modified HX 40 turbo, a fancy exhaust manifold and then a TST Competition box with a custom program for sled pulling. The most expensive upgraded were to the clutch and 5-speed.
Here an interest fact about 24Vs, and this is basically applicable to all 4 valve per cylinder diesels. They didn’t go to 4 valves for more flow, they went to for valves so they could put the injector in the center of the cylinder, because that reduced exhaust emissions and helped them meet more stringent emissions standards 🤓
@@freedomworx Years ago before my turbo upgrade I was running the stock turbo and racing another truck one night I pegged my 50psi boost gauge. Then heard a loud noise and my engine started running really rough. Turns out my turbo exploded and pieces of it got stuck in the intake valves. That was my most expensive whoopsie. Had to have the head rebuilt and a new turbo installed. They also found the exhaust manifold was cracked and replaced with a 3 piece one. Still running like a Champ with over 200k miles.
Nahhhh. As far as classic american diesel truck motors it's 6bt or bust. There are some more exotic swaps that seem to be becoming more popular such as the om606. Personally, I think the john deere 4 banger is better than the 6bt. It's just a pain to track down is all.
A 7.3 sits level with a 5.9 for power for the first almost 10 years. If you've never driven a detuned 24v nv4500, you've missed out on hitting your boost at 2800 rpms finally
so did dynamite diesel cover the lost injectors since they disappeared during return shipping? was there a physical hole in the box or were they simply never put in the box? i feel like we need more info on this story
He's right about the machine shop and spending all that money. But he's also right about rolling the dice, as many of those DIY fixes introduce yet another dice roll. And how many of those do you get per engine, before you finally come up snake eyes? I hate coming up snake eyes
Love your videos and your sens of humor. I have inherited my late fathers 2002 2500 sport with the 24 valve vp44 he already had it tuned and tickled up to about 450 hp not sure i believe it.
@@freedomworx That it did that truck was the lowest cost 100K i ever put on a vehicle. In 100K i had a headlight relay (the switch burns out as soon as you let someone else drive it) and had to adjust that stupid throttle idle adjustment (gen 2 if you know the one you know my pain).
The 12 valve is not the most reliable light duty engine. The 6-71 Detroit diesel is far more reliable. I had 2 identical push boats one had a pair of 12 valve Cummins and the other had a pair of 671 Detroits. The 671s were naturally aspirated with N75s and made around 250 HP. The 12 valve Cummins were turbocharged, non intercooled, and rated for 260HP. Both boats got about the same number of hours and moved the same barges on the same bodies of water. In 5 years I had 8 blown up Cummins and only 1 Detroit that wasn’t even blown up it just was in the shop for an overhaul because it was burning a ton of oil. The 671 is more reliable then the 12 valve and it has replaceable liners so you can freshen it up in place between rebuilds. I’m not a fan of the Detroit diesels GM has made some terrible Detroit diesels like the 92 series ticking time bomb. But the inline 671 at a reasonable HP level in my experience is very reliable. Not saying the Cummins is a POS by any stretch of the imagination, but the 671 is certainly a better engine if the additional weight isn’t a concern.
You are comparing a 2-Stroke 426CI purpose built medium duty engine to a 359CI 4-stroke light duty engine. They are not competitors and not even in the same category. The 71 Series Detroit is a great platform, but it is not a light duty engine. You might as well be comparing the 5.9 Cummins to a DT466.
Given what I put my 5.9 and 6.7 through, I can't imagine 8 of them blowing up... my 5.9 maxed out at 590/1200 on dyno, and I ran it for 160k mi at 550 horse, more in the 6.7. granted I don't use all that every running moment, but if you keep them under 200° F and the right oil (imperative), they last.
@@Faolan161 All I can tell you is these were stock factory new complete engines (oil pan to air filter). They ran 15w-40 Shell Rotella, got weekly oil changes, ran 24hours a day 7 days a week half the year and they lasted about 6-8 months before either oil consumption became excessive, or they had a major failure (like a rod through the side of the block). We just replaced them with a brand new Cummins complete engine when they failed. I’m not saying they are bad engines just that they don’t last anywhere as long as other engines in the 250 HP class. As for what the operators did to these things I couldn’t tell you. Most of these guys are animals so they certainly didn’t treat them nicely. However the same animals ran the other boat (with the Detroits) on the same jobs, moving the same dump scows and that didn’t eat anywhere near as many engines. It’s the only apples to apples comparison I can make, we run Cats, Cummins, Detroits, EMDs, John Deeres, and even a few Kubotas. However they are not running in the same equipment doing the same job and being used by the same people. The two little push boats were identical and in my opinion a fair comparison. I could say the John Deere 4045s are the best small engines because on my gensets they seem to go about 45,000 hours between overhauls. However this wouldn’t be a fair comparison as they are the only ones powering this type of genset. Even comparing them to the Kubotas of the portable gensets wouldn’t be fair.
@@Trump985 Something's gotta be wrong in there to blow up that many Cummins engines. I run a 4 cyl Cummins 4.5l in a skid steer as hard as I can, and the oil even stays clean at 500-700 hrs between oil changes, 4000 it's on it now. That's tougher than the boat work. Something's off, Cummins handle massive workloads just like yours all around the world. Of course, I'm the kind of guy who looks for the root cause of breakage so I can repair or redesign with proper parts so it doesn't melt itself down... I hope you've found a better solution, that gets expensive fast.
As the owner of a 95 12 valve that dynos at 540hp/1236 ft-lbs I started to add up costs over the last few years to prove your costs were excessive and honestly I'm at about $6k but that includes swapping my nv4500 for a nv5600 and me doing all of the work including the trans rebuild. These dinosaurs are expensive to keep alive 😂
@freedomworx there certainly has been some part increases but I purchased a lot of it on black Friday, or other sales. My hx35/40 hybrid (to retain exhaust brake) was also built by me so that was only about $600. Southbend street dual disc got used like new for $500. All about those deals!
Great vid, man. I learned a lot. Question: Who do you recommend for a built transmission to handle that kind of power? I'm not going that high with my 7.3 PS, but i like to overbuild.
@@freedomworxknow anything about a 230hp pump? I got a 12V out of an RV with 38k miles and am building it to replace a blown 6.4…but the ID plate on the pump is missing. Motor plate says it was made in ‘96 and it’s a 230hp motor but can’t find anything on the pump other than casting numbers.
Keep up the good work you’re going to blow up at some point soon.
Let's hope so. I'm ready to retire from corporate life 😉 Thanks for the kind words 👍
12 valves help marriages last longer because you can't ever hear your wife while your driving it.
Same with my 7.3L Power Stroke 😂
@@freedomworxyou can put high pressure cross over hose and full fuel line cross over quites them way down
@hankclingingsmith8707 I’ve got all that. I’m assuming you’ve never seen the build videos for my excursion 😉. It’s still loud. I’ve got single shot injectors.
My 6.0 Powerstroke, straight piped, is equally as loud!😂
I'm about 80-85ish % with ya on your chart. However, I feel you're missing a few key elements.
It's too much for me to blabber about in the comments, so I must succeed...😑😆😉
“700hp isn’t streetable with a single”
My dumbass daily driving a big single 900hp duramax can absolutely verify that is true. It’s a rough life
It’ll spool up…tomorrow 😉😂
@@freedomworx🤣🤣💯💯💯Laggy pig .. big sucker single compared to compounds 🤣🤣
@@freedomworx s476 on a CR 5.9 with some big injectors doesnt take too long just a little smokey
Piss of Al Gore and the EPA, you say? Count me in.
"off" 😉
Piss on em lol
30 +years no dowel pin problem, gobs of torque, 20+MPG, and,,,,,,,,,,,,,,NO expensive repairs except 3 gallons of Delo once a year!
If you didn't have the KDP issue, you just got lucky. It's a very common failure.
Kdp, simple fix.
400ft lbs isn't considered a lot of torque especially for a diesel
All depends on what application, cummins were detuned for light truck duty due to transmission limitations.
They didn’t detune them enough obviously. Those transmission would fail if you looked at the the wrong way 😂
I know how your parts got lost in the mail. It's because idaho doesn't exist and so all mail headed there just falls off the side of the earth...cause it's flat. 🧐
😂😂. So basically Montana is the edge of the earth... Got it!
Yes exactly idaho is fake. No one move here its fake and we are 100% full 😂
@corvairwally I would believe you, but I’ve been there several times. I was once on a motorcycle trip, and I was so happy to cross into Idaho and out of Oregon so I could pump my own gas. Those things stick with you 😂
hold on for a minute ... I live at the border of Brit Columbia Canada and Idaho.. nearest Idaho town is Bonners Ferry ... was just there a few days ago !! IDAHO EXISTS. scouts honor it really does.
Don't get me started about Washington. I swear bigfoot has a stash of stolen packages in the Cascades
I notice the 6.4 PSD was not even on your chart 😂
Sucks to. They are the most capable engine as far as power production goes, they just won’t stay together.
The few times I've pulled a 6.4 powerstroke apart theyve been destroyed. Either by carbon buildup or something relating to coolant getting into the oil. Id love new diesels if they were just more reliable.
I got over 242,000 on mine and still running strong.
The 6.4 is very easy to make power, because a complete delete and a very mild tune gets you to 500HP ! All the newer diesels require malicious maintenance and that old BT started life as a 300HP tractor motor that can be neglected and keep on going. They detuned it to put in the pickup so that it didn't kill the transmission!
That tortoise yawning was the slowest, most hilarious thing ever.
Seemed appropriate. 😂
The 12v was my first experience with a diesel engine in a pickup so it'll always have a sweet spot with me
It’s a great engine. 👍
A p pump 12 v bottom end can handle about 700hp stock, all you need is 3-4k gov springs, valve springs, arp head studs, 0 fuel plate( or no plate), a nice set of 120 horse injectors, 4 or 5 in turbo back straight pipe, nicely tuned pump, and a 3rd gen turbo (or one of your choosing), and you can make a clean very reliable 450-550 hp with over 1000ft lbs of torque, and also a tranny that’ll hold this power, but it is very easy and very cheap to build one of these pigs, love the vids please correct if I’m wrong but I’ve seen and helped build multiple p pump 12v to rippers ( can’t say the same for VE pump 12v, there just pigs )
You need everything I listed to make a reliable, streetable, clean 550HP or 700HP. I don’t spend money unless I have to 😉. It might be easy, but it isn’t cheap.
@@freedomworx yes totally agree, that would make a truck drive like a dream, and run like a top 365 days out of the year, but we are normal, everyday drivers that tow wheelers on weekends, if your not doing boosted launches and already have the normal upgrades such as, lift pump, egt-coolant-trans temp gauges, and have a manual tranny , but we have all gotten very lucky and scored on two built trannys for under 2000$ a peice still rippin three years later, but a normal dude with common sense can do a minimal build and keep the motor alive. Keepin it cheap and driving moderate, again these vids are super informational, love it keep it up 👍
@PNWRIPPA yes, I’m sure someone could get away with it for a while. Just depends on how much they like to party 😂
Wrong stock bottom end will handle over 1000hp on a 12v. A 5.9common rail will only handle 700hp because of the rods. That's why they put 12v rods on the common rails. Tons of 12v pulling trucks over 1000hp with stock bottom ends
@@bigmurph1447 damnnnn, I’ve heard of people running shitloads of power through stock bottom ends, I’ve just never witnessed a 12v with over 650hp, thanks man 👍ima read up on some builds.
I have a 12 valve in my 68 F100 short bed in people's minds are always blown on how much I have into it to get it to run as well as it does
Nah man. You can make 500HP for $17 dollars with a 12V 😉
Casual and super entertaining engine build ... good channel to subscribe to ... being a Ram 5.9 owner.
I appreciate the kind words 👍
You are doing the rest of the build I wanted to do with my first gen. Good job
Thanks for watching. This thing should rip in my old Squarebody Service Truck 😎
Make millions with a 12 valve every year still ... But In first or second gear and Almost at idol Behind Drilling Rigs. Alot of drilling rigs came with 12 valves not just my trucks so that makes me happy ....I hear that sound in my Dreams.
It's a workhorse, no doubt 👍
Something about putting in the extra effort to balance the crank, rods and pistons as well as putting every part through electrolysis to clean it all the way up just gives you peace of mind. The way a balanced engine runs and sounds is amazing as well as how much vibration gets eliminated.
Engine balancing is overrated in my opinion. I threw a small block together with a piston that was 80 grams lighter than the other 7. Has a blower on it and runs at 3k rpm all day long, with runs up to 5,500. Has zero vibration. It’s a complete waste of money on an engine like this Cummins though. It simply won’t spin fast enough to ever notice. If you want to spin one of these heavy pigs up to 5k or 6k, that’s a different story.
1st time watching one of your videos, I watch another dude that does workout videos Ryan Humiston, and I swear you not only look like him but your humor is exactly like his. You made me laugh about 80 times. Educational and funny. Subscribed!
I appreciate the support. I’ll have to look him up 👍
Im glad you made this video, i love my 12v cummins. Its a stick shift, 4x4, dually found it for 9k bone stock. Ive installed compounds, replaced turbos, imstalled a dual mass clutch, and now im on to head studs and pump upgrades. This is really expensive and time consuming. But i wouldnt trade how easy the repairs are for the hp my dads 6.7 makes, hes spent triple just in repairs for failed parts
Yeah, those new diesel repairs can get very expensive. 👍
I was so hoping you would use those new golf ball speed of air pistons!
Love your content!!
You ever looked at the price of those pistons? Only way I’m trying them is if they send them to me for free. 🥴
Awesome, happy to find a new channel to binge of quality content.
Thanks for watching 👍😎
Dropped a valve on my racing lawnmower and bent a pushrod. why did Briggs make the exhaust valve pushrod hollow aluminum?
Well having worked for Briggs and Stratton as a Co-op while is was engineering school, I can tell you that just about anything in that engine that makes you scratch your head, is the way it is to reduce manufacturing costs 😉
@@freedomworx makes sense
Sweet Racin Mowers ! For cooling and oil flow I guess 🤔 makes the valve lighter for cooling . Not so heat sinked maybe .
@@cupwalker24.7 the thing is, it’s a splash lubricated engine so I assume it’s for cost savings. I just switched it out for a steel one
@@cupwalker24.7 the thing is, it’s a splash lubricated engine so I assume it’s for cost savings. I just switched it out for a steel one
I giggle at every 600hp 12 valve, because it's really only 400...
Get a full port job though and the head outflows a 4 valve.
Butt Dyno certified 🤓
wow it amazes me how far trucks have come my 2018 F150 is putting 350 🐎 horse and 430 pounds of torque to the ground with just a 93 octane tune. just a decade or so ago u had to have a Diesel to make that much. We are really spoiled horsepower wise with modern truck! Not to mention modern Diesels putting out 500 horse and 1200 pounds of torque!! unfortunately emissions systems and def have killed there reliability. Great video brother I'm not really a Cummins guy but I enjoy this video and look forward to more
I’m glad you enjoyed it. 👍
@@freedomworx thanks for the reply bro u earned a subscription. have a good week
@trackpackgt877 awesome 👍
My ‘18 halfton ford with 5.0 out pulls the 05 dodge with 5.9 Cummins I had once. Both in take off and up hills. Sure, it revs out more but still, goes to show how overrated Cummins and other diesels are compared to modern gassers.
If I was pulling trailers very often I would go with a diesel but for pulling a heavy load a few times a year, having a stinky noisy Cummins is impractical and not economical any anyway. Way quicker, more comfortable, and fun to drive than a big turf with a tractor engine
@@3000fpe and a 3.5L Eco-Boost will outpull that 5.0L 😉.
"Still has a dashboard & rocker panels"
Bro.....that had me ROLLIN'! 😆👍🏻👍🏻
2nd Gen’s are turds 💩🤷🏻♂️😂
@@freedomworx true 😂
I love how many people completely missed the point of your video. Keep up the good work
Yep. Folks hear what they want to hear and then argue a point that wasn't even part of the conversation 😂
You make great content. Very accurate and well thought out🤜🏼🤛🏼🍿
Thanks for watching 👍
My 53 Ford F600 4x4 and My RV both have 12 valve Cummins. They run on anything except gasoline and i don't do crazy things with them so hoping for a million miles.
Hones are really meant to make a bore round and take the taper out while taking them to size as well and to give them a good finish, that is actually a degalzer but what ever😶
Let me ask you this, why do machine shops use a hone after they bore a cylinder? Why not just bore the cylinder and send it out the door? I mean, it’s already straight and true, right??? There are very few instances where a machine shop will use a hone to true up a cylinder. They will bore the cylinder to true it up, and then use a hone to achieve the proper surface finish, just like I said 🥱
That’s quite a bit of work. I’ll probably never build a diesel engine but can definitely enjoy your suffering buddy. 🛠️
You can suffer vicariously through me 😉
I like the Premiers gives an opportunity to talk with the creator
Yeah buddy 👍
ive been slowly but surely building my 97 7.3 into a (more) reliable motor. been a fun project to say the least, every time a part fails, i do my research and replace it with something tougher or more efficient. the fluidampr harmonic balancer and melling LPOP was the last real battle I had with the truck. injector o-rings and valve cover gaskets are coming up next.
i did wonder for a while if i wouldn't have been better off 12v swapping it but the money never looked right when you consider all the supporting mods into that swap, especially when i already had a running truck producing acceptable power. i appreciate the video my man.
Fixing the 7.3L will be cheaper by a huge margin. Pretty much everyone underestimates the budget and time required to do a swap. Just keep throwing money at the Powersmoke. 👍
I was always on the fence with diesels, but I still remember the day Mozart's Lacrimosa played in my head when I saw a single cab shortbed D150 Cummins swap with a turbo bolted straight to the exhaust manifold timed right at head, piped directly to the intake. It was so beautiful. So simple. Just a turbo, a short piece of pipe, and two short rubber hose connectors. Straight out the turbo and literally straight into the throttle body. Perfection.
That 12 valve sound has hooked many men 😂
I worked as a Heavy equipment mechanic for Dresser Equipment Co back in the early 80's. Dresser was the Construction Equipment Division of International Harvester after a split in the company due to poor finances. Dresser had the rights to use IH engines for a number of years, but those rights ended int he 80's and they moved to engines supplied by Cummins. I received factory training on those engines at that time, and compared to the old OH engines we were used to these were a pile of crap, engineered mainly to reduce the cost of building, not for strength or durability. Case in point, sleeveless cylinders; aslo no replaceable cam bearings. Cheap, cheap, cheap. We hated 'em. Except for one thing, they turned out to be great engines, far far better than we thought they would be. As you've noted, they've proven themselves to be very durable engines, funny considering how cheaply they are built. I would still prefer an old IH engine, and in fact for the same time period as these I would go with an old 6.9l Power Stroke. I can still remember driving my old man's Ford with the 6.9 with Banks turbo kit installed, and walking past the Dodges on uphill runs pulling a 5th wheel TT. The 6.9 is a heavy duty design, far better than the Cummins, but they had problematic fuel injection system and glow plug control, both of which can be corrected with after market parts. Or at least could be, I don't know if the after market is still supporting them, that was a long time ago. There was also the DT360, again, a much better design; built like a full size heavy duty diesel engine. A guy could choose far worse for a project than an old DT 360.
This block and head were actually cast by International Navistar. The logo is right there on both. 😉
@@freedomworx well, IH knows how to cast seriously strong iron blocks. Even their gas V8's, 345's & 392's, were known for going 250k or more miles, easily.
I love your work and to the point on your video. Love it man
Glad you enjoyed it. Thanks for watching 👍
This video was perfect. Love the way that you put up a chart with all the answers and went over both the pros and cons.
I’m glad you enjoyed it 👍
I had a Case 2096 with the 5.9 Cummins…the engine was phenomenal!…the tractor not so much…Case put them in most of their construction equipment that was 20 ton and under…they had them in their Maxxum 5100 and 5200 series…super engines!..
Yep. It was definitely the standard in it's day 👍
It’s amazing how believable someone can sound when they’re telling the truth.
Sometimes I even believe myself 😉
Diesels aren’t really my thing, but they’ve been on the fringe of my interest for a while now. This was an entertaining entry into the subject. Great video style. It’s also cool to see something other than a LS go into the service truck. You got yourself a new subscriber!
I’m glad you enjoyed it. Thanks for the support 👍
I never understand why people try to juice up 12 valves... The best thing about them is that they're tireless dogs. Add oil. Add diesel or jet fuel. Go for literally forever.
Because they are unbearable to drive in stock trim 😉
@@freedomworx Dep[ends, if you just want a reliable work truck that will get you from point A to point B for decades with very few problems they are great, if you want a sport truck they suck in stock form.
I have a 4.0 inline 6 in my 2006 jeep just because the engine is reliable and easy to work on.
On the highway I'm doing 70mph no problem.
I agree with you keep it simple
Aaand found my new favorite channel. Instant subscribe
I appreciate the support 👍
Loved the video. The 12 valve is my favorite engine by a mile. I pulled one out of a ford box truck to swap into my dually square body. Timing cover plaque states 230HP @2200rpm and 605ft lbs of torque @1400rpm. It moves the truck along pretty nice, although I've always wanted to turn it up. But so far I've left it alone because I absolutely need that stock, million mile reliablity. But it's tempting...
You'll never drive it a million miles anyway. Turn it up 😎
Kdp got my 1st gen at 190k ish previous owner payed to have it fixed. They jb welded the cracked case and billed for doing it right, left the pin in the oil pan for me to find. The crank gear slipped ~ ½ a tooth retarded the cam. Stock 160/400 tune made 491.0@1846 178.3@1976 to the tire.
At~500k mi it got an overhaul crank was bent and mains where tapered from1 @0.0045 through 4@0.0035 5-7 @0.0035 so would pass mustard as factory new.. 5 and 6 where 0.003 out of round and took 0.020 over to clean up.
Point is theas are tuff motors.
Put the 2nd gen on a 3k lbs trailer (16500lbs total)and went for a 550mi drive to seat the rings
They are super tough... But somebody treated this one bad!!!
The problem with that isky tool is the cutter geometry is dumb, you really need to grind a touch of relief on the face of the cutter to make it work
I didn’t have any trouble with it cutting. But the operator was a little short on stamina 😂
“Need a bigger shop, you guys need to subscribe “ I feel you brother. This is the first video of yours I’ve seen but I subbed because I felt that lmao
I appreciate the support 😎👍
Bought my first cummins truck, 97 12v, has arp heads, and sure fire ring head, and new holset hx35, i dont know what size injectors are on it but was told they aren't stock so woohooo, I'm very happy with it. Paid 6200 bucks for it 5 speed manual. I just needed a good farm truck so I probably won't do anything to it, has plenty of get up and go for my needs. But watching this video and learning about the killer dowel pin, I will most definitely look into any aftermarket stuff that might fix that, so if anyone has any suggestions please let me know.
Yeah, you need to make sure the KDP gets addressed. You've probably got leaks on the front end that need to be addressed anyway while you have it apart. 😉
Amen to the ball hone, brother! I've used both, prefer the ball hone, and had the same good results with both. Keep on building.
Do some small Toyota forklift diesel converted to work in a truck diesel stuff......
Sub'd. I like your style.
Didn’t know diesel Toyota Forklift engines were a think 🧐
@@freedomworx Yes sir. Mostly 4-cylinder stuff with smaller pump and injectors since they're set for maximum =torque RPM. Nissan has diesel forklift engines as well. There are Deutz diesel engines, baby Cummins, and others in ground service equipment. The overland Expedition can have a Toyota overland build with a diesel engine built from a forklift. Will this work? I don't know, but a build like this would suit your style of lets go for it. Forklifts and ground service equipment like Tugs have these mechanical diesels.
I don't know, something to think about when you wonder why you contemplate other things.
Yes I’m all here for the build had a 99 v8 was gonna diesel swap but had to sell since I was in the military but in the process of getting out now and can’t wait to build this bad boy and better yet with you helping me. 👀
Yeah, swapping is usually a losing game. Just buy one that already has a diesel in it 👍
That Isky tool is pretty neat. I did the same thing with my 12 valve, except I did it in the truck. Had to make shorter handles for it because the original handles hit the firewall.
That sounds like a pain!! I was very surprised at how many calories it burned 😂
Good video, I've spent 15k+ on just making sure my 12 valve runs good for another 30 years. It was bone stock, probably didnt need to mess with it, if you ever driven a stock p7100 you know the struggles. Banks twin ram, ex manifold, afc live, 58mm turbo, exhaust brake, intercooler, headjob, banks intake, ARP studs, straight pipe, gauges, ETC. Its ready for the end times but it probably makes 250-3500 hp for ever.
Yeah, they are pretty anemic when stock. Anyone says they should be left stock either hasn't ridden in one, or has no soul 😂
Lisle makes a version of the old Sunnen style hone and they sell it for less than a couple hundred bucks. If your bore is still within size spec for your current pistons and you just want to true it back up you can get it down to tenths of taper with one, and if there's any oval shape to your bores it'll make them round again too. They're supposed to go in a machine to get the perfect crosshatch, but you can do just fine putting it into a hand drill. I did the cylinders on my tractor engine because they needed re-sleeving and I've had zero issues with oil consumption, so I know the crosshatch turned out fine. If you get under half a thou taper you can spin it to 8 grand no problem. Since this is a diesel at 4 grand, you'll have zero issues with that 1 thou of taper and it would be overkill trying to exceed it. You know it's not out of round by more than that either, which is also fine. You'll probably distort the cylinders more than that torquing down the head.
I’d never seen that Lisle hone until you mentioned it. Looks like a good unit 👍
😂😂 that noise at 18:51 🌈💅🏼
It hurt and I was trying to cope with the pain 😂
Excellent video. From someone not on the bandwagon i can agree with practically everything you said. I dont think ive ever heard anyone push the lbz that hard but id say theyre solid to 550. Hurts a little to not see the idi's represented, you can certainly buy and build a 7.3 idi to get 300hp for under 10k no problem, does take a fair bit more work than all the others though, assuming NA, add another couple grand to hit 400. Perks are theyre quiet, second best sounding engine behind the 6.0, and they were put in the best looking pickups.
Yeah, all of those numbers are obviously debatable. I was just trying to get folks to think about the entire picture, the entire truck, before deciding that they "had to have a 12 valve"
Thanks for the reply. 100 percent. I thank you.
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I watched this owning a low mile 4x4 lbz I spent 8k on a year ago. My ego is fully flexed. But I still love a 12v with a built re
A daily an LBZ that’s my Grandad bought new 😎👍
I like any diesel that can pull 30k gross every day and hit 1 million miles with only oil/filter changes. In this case, that is the 12V/P7100. Truck was $2500 in 2007, still runnin.
How many transmission you gone through? Serious question. My 2006 has had 3 new transmissions installed. Every 100k just like clockwork. 😂
@@freedomworx I don't use automatics. I run the NV4500 with a 5th gear modification. Before that it backed off the nut in 5th gear pulling a load of drill pipe. I have rebuilt the 46re,47re,48re for friends every 100k miles. I've never put all the fancy sonnax parts in etc, but that may increase the mileage. If I was going to run an Auto it would be the Allison 3000 series, rugged duty, same ones they run on trash trucks etc.
My daily is a Duramax, and that Alison 1000 is the tits. Your out an Allison 1000 next to a 46,47,48, and it makes you wonder how the Dodge transmission last as long as they do. Tiny little critters.
I hear the “Speed of Air Pistons” are the way to go especially if you are breaking it down.
Go price a set and you'll see why nobody runs them 😉
@@freedomworx That makes since, I saw them being advertised on another channel. Thank you for the replies, your channel is a lot of fun to watch. You do a great job editing and the jokes are spot on.
We need an update on the bypass oil filter please good sir!!
I've got 8,500 miles on the oil. Going to run an analysis and do a follow-up at 10,000 miles.
Very good video.
Im currently on my journey to a big diesel truck. My dad has a 7.3 powerstroke 1997 he likes, the truck looks petty cool.
I myself starting fresh am looking for a diesel truck to get into and im stuck between 12v or a 7.3.
Starting fresh before buying books and spending hours and hours researching, which do you think is best to jump into, my goals are to have a very reliable truck to work around the farm( horse trail, hauling a 2 ton mini escavator), keep kinda like a classic, and daily driver.
Honestly, whichever one you like the most. And buy one that someone else has already spent money on😎. Let someone else spend the money on tuning, exhaust, trans, etc.
I’ll say this I’ve seen a lot of people who love the coyote engine from ford but my experience with one was at first positive then went to the negative once i started seeing every issue it had to offer between 2016-2022 we ended up trading it in for a 22 ram 1500 big horn 4x4 which has been more reliable than the ford and the crazy thing is the ford was well maintained, regular oil changes, tire rotations, replacing brakes and rotors when it was needed, but the truck had a little gremlin that would see if one thing was fixed it would break another thing til it got to the point of the truck becoming unreliable due to overheating and because I was diagnosed with cancer in 2022 that would be a big problem since my appointments weren’t exactly a quick trip one of the medical facilities was 15-25 mins from me but the other was around 35-40 minutes from me which would be a huge problem if we broke down on the way there so that prompted us to finally trade in the ford for a ram 1500 4x4 big horn with a 5.7 Hemi and so far it has been an amazing truck, it’s got everything we could ask for, independent climate controls for driver and passenger, a 9ch Harmon kardon audio system with a 12.0 inch infotainment system although we might have the larger 14.0 inch screen I’d have to measure it regardless it’s useable as the truck has a backup camera, and does gps which is nice, it has satellite radio the truck also features a 120v inverter so you can plug your wall charger in for your phone or whatever device you need to charge such as a laptop, tablet etc so it’s nice and the truck has pretty decent ground clearance for a stock 4x4 truck so definitely one of my new favorites!
I’d hope a 2022 truck is still reliable. I daily a 2006 Duramax with 190k miles on it. It’s never been to a shop in 18 years. I’ve replaced 2 glow plugs, 2 front wheel hubs, and seals on the fuel filter housing. That’s a total of $550 in parts and about 6 hours of labor in 18 years. 😉
My philosophy has always been get what you can out of your vehicle/engine until something breaks, then mod it. My Duramax is at 753,000 miles with a few water pumps and one set of injectors (Yes still original CP3 pump). Tuned of course but she keeps going, trans too. My close friend has a 2012 Cummins and has done so much work to it.... and suffered several breakdowns, mostly because of the work that he thought would be benificial.
The Duramax trucks don’t get enough credit for their reliability and longevity. My daily is a 2006 LBZ truck. 190k miles with nothing more than glow plugs and fuel filter housing seals.
@@freedomworx mine blew the HG at 193k, but it was also 500hp. And it still pulled my 9k camper on a 3k mile trip threw CO and SD with a blown HG. I love my LBZ. It's a much better truck over all then anything that came with a Cummins in it.
With minimal diesel knowledge from me... what's your opinion on P pump 24V?
and re engine swaps, 4BT are more popular in some cases, to at least slightly reduce weight. Turns out they even make a 16V 4BT too but they're hens teeth.
Nothing wrong with a P-Pump 24V or a 4BT. The downside to a 4BT is just that they are expensive. Much more so than a 6BT.
I like how he leaves the option of a 24 valve and the fact that you can make a a reliable 500 to 600 horsepower easily with the 6.1 stroker 12 valve and you can still make a 24 valve run with no wires fully mechanical by putting a p pump on it
I also left out the 6.4 Powerstroke which will make more power for less than every other engine on the list. There is nothing economical about a 6.1 Stroker or P-Pumping a 24 Valve.
I will keep my 12 valve even though it did drop the dowel pin 6 years ago
It happens 🥴
I'm fine with my VE Rotary injection pump being tuned to somewhere between 500-550 pound feet of torque.
I wish I was that easily assumed 😉👍
Man you and me have similar tastes. I like tinkering with trucks and reloading and the 2a as well. I have a 550 on my bench along with a few other presses. The Dillon is the only kinda progressive press I own though.
That little Lee Press gets more action than the Dillon 😂
I like your attitude and delivery. Sub.
I appreciate the support 👍
I’m here to defend and trash my 6.0 all in one comment. You can build a 600 horse truck for way less than 26 grand but your little tidbit about the trans being able to hold it is dead wrong, I’ve gone through 3 stock ones in 3 years at about 500-550 horse 😂
Operator error 😂😂😉
@@freedomworx to be fair to the hardware, I’m buying used units from the local scrap yard
I just put an OM 617 in my jeep. I never spent so much money to be this disappointed. But I get about 20 miles per pound of bacon.
You doubled the weight of the Jeep 😂😉
I got one out of a case in my 89f250 pretty funny everyone think came from a dodge
Nice 😎
There's a reason why 12 valves are used in commercial, marine, on road, stationary etc and duramax/powerstrokes are not. Don't be a rube.
There is no comparison between a 6BT and a modern Powerstroke or Duramax. The Cummins was designed as an industrial engine in the 80's with little to no emissions requirements to meet. The Powerstroke and Duramax engines were specifically designed as light truck engines with weight, efficiency, and emissions standards to consider. And as far as power and efficiency, the 6 BT cant hold a candle to a modern Duramax or Powerstroke. Don't be a simp. I own a 7.3 Powerstroke, an LBZ Duramax, a 6BT and a Commons Rail 5.9, so I am not biased. If you want a tractor or boat engine, buy a 6BT, but don't be deceived into thinking that you are gong to buy a 2nd Gen Ram truck and get 6.7 Powerstroke Super Duty or 6.6 Duramax 2500HD performance out of it. That's a pipe dream.
D-Max, and power stroke engines are used in the medium duty GMC, and F750 trucks. Gale Banks builds D-Max engines for marine use.
@@Bill-sp8kb like I said the, the Cummins was designed for medium duty applications from the get go. It was never intended to be stuck in a pickup truck. The Duramax and Powerstroke engines, for the most part, were specifically designed for a pickup truck. They get detuned and stuck in larger trucks, but that’s not what they are designed for. And yes, Banks does produce Duramax engines for military marine applications, but that doesn’t mean they are ideal for the application. It just means Gale Banks is an awesome salesman, and the government is ran by idiots. I have worked for the government for 21 years, including 5 in the Marine Corps, and can confirm that U.S. government employees, are in fact… idiots. 🤓
I see you're fishing for comments to gain views so ill bite 😂 I have to disagree with the 7.3 logic, especially after they went to the PMR rods that are iffy at 500hp. They're an easy 300hp engine but it gets pretty expensive after that. Also, I feel you're pretty high on your 12 valve cost of adding power, at least at the lower levels. 300hp is $300 at most, 400hp is $3000-4500 depending on the trans. This is all doing the labor yourself and in my experience of course.
Well put together video 👍
Cool waiting on next part😊
Already in the works 👍
The only thing wrong with this, it's overrated not overated 😂. Great work 🎉
In my defense, I only spelled it wrong 1 out of 2 times. 😂😂. I saw it while editing. Figured it’d just be a good Easter Egg for someone. Nothing I could do about it at that point. Good eye 👍
The Cummins 5.9 is the real deal and a Joy to listen to.
The Ford and GMC diesel engines sound like they are struggling to get their exhaust out.
I sound like I’m always struggling to get my exhaust out 😂🥴
Thought I wanted a fummins built with a rebuilt drop in engine. Dang it I thought I finally decided what I wanted. But I want reliability and value more than power, I guess 300-350hp is enough.
I wanna move into a toy hauler. Thought I wanted a 7.3 powerstroke to tow it. Nah too old, will have to keep working on it and learn about all the small issues that could leave me stranded. 6.7 powerstroke 2015+? Expensive, it's gonna need the upper oil pan gasket replaced, and it's a huge PITA. Maybe duramax? The new ones are about as bad? LBZ seems much harder to find than 7.3PS.
Nothing wrong with doing a Fummins. But if you are sticking with a Dodge auto, you’ll have to build it regardless of what power level you want.
@@freedomworx probably built 4R100. Looks like 7.3psd crate engines are more expensive (~$11,000) than 12v cummins (CPP takeout $5,299), but it would be close with the DCS conversion kit, does that seem right?
@autismion whatever you think the swap would cost, go ahead and add a minimum of 25%. And there is no reason to spend $11k on a create engine. Mine makes 500HP to the tire and has 250k miles on it. There are lower mileage used engine out there pretty cheap. Just my $0.02. And a 4R100 is pretty tough. They can handle 350HP easily in stock form.
Love your videos. Make more and you will get more subs.
I appreciate it. I’m trying to speed up the process. But I’ve got a wife, kids, and a full time job competing for my time 👍
Just remember... kids, RUclips then wife. 😂 and try to fit work in there somewhere.
Work is optional
Can’t wait to see the next vid
Already in the works 👍
Bro, at the TDR, their are original 12 valve engines with over 1 million miles, many, many of them
What’s your point?
Im down to 20 Cummins and can hardly sleep at night...
wtb: more 12V Cummins Turbo Diesels... hmu
You have problems 😂
@@freedomworx don't we all
Use a stage 3 big stick cam for the 12 valve. Its a must. Idk why 12 valve guys have allergies when it comes to cams.
The horsepower just isn’t there for most people. The money is better spent elsewhere until you get to those higher horsepower levels. 👍
I like that engine stand. Can you give some info?
I hate it. If you're close to Atlanta I'll make you a good deal on it 😂
@@freedomworx No. Sorry. From Albany, but live a bit further.
I'll keep the 6.0 w php ficm tune stock head bolts KR
Stock trans is solid along w rest of truck
Rides like a truck w front leaf springs do i care no made one payment cash
Had 899k kms on my previous 03 6.0 when totaled it
A leaf sprung 6.0 🥴. Questionable life choice my friend 😉
90% of 12 valves manufactured are still running, the trucks might have rotted away but the engines live on in other trucks and equipment
Still pumping out 160 crank horsepower 30 years later 😉. Doesn’t sound so impressive when I put it like that. My 54 year old Jeep Dauntless 225 V6 is still pumping out 160HP… 54 years later 😎
WOW! Thanks I really enjoyed you video. I also found out I was real smart in 06 to buy my lbz truck....lol
My daily is an LBZ 😉
DD671 has entered the chat. If you have the means...I highly recommend picking one up
They are amazing engines, probably some of the toughest engines ever devised, just not light duty. 😉
Great content brother...subbed for sure @freedomworx
Thank you 👍
My brothers been snapping LBZ cranks (3) with just tunners added.
Sounds like a personal problem 😉. It can happen. Might want to find a new tuner 😉
You dont need all that to make 500hp. And it can be done without rolling coal all over gods green earth if you drive properly. Obviously well built trans using quality parts is a given. My extended cab dually did 13.20s @ 7050lb With a 63, studs, 5x12s, 20 degrees of timing, 4ks, no plate, and a lock up switch. 1500 egts max at the end of the quarter 800 cruising. Daily drove and towed with it like that for 10 years no problems untill i got hit by drunk driver 😢 then it was totaled.
500HP is not 550HP 😉
It definitely was about 550 to run that number at that weight. But ok 😏
@@freedomworx rack plug and intake horn boom 550
Mine is the 24v. Bigger number=Better. Mine was so high tech and clean that it came from the factory WITHOUT a catalytic converter. I have no idea what kind of HP it makes, but I have been pretty cheap with the upgrades. I first got TST to reprogram the ECM for a power increase and they lowered the idle speed. Then I got DD Stage III injectors some kind of modified HX 40 turbo, a fancy exhaust manifold and then a TST Competition box with a custom program for sled pulling. The most expensive upgraded were to the clutch and 5-speed.
Here an interest fact about 24Vs, and this is basically applicable to all 4 valve per cylinder diesels. They didn’t go to 4 valves for more flow, they went to for valves so they could put the injector in the center of the cylinder, because that reduced exhaust emissions and helped them meet more stringent emissions standards 🤓
@@freedomworx Years ago before my turbo upgrade I was running the stock turbo and racing another truck one night I pegged my 50psi boost gauge. Then heard a loud noise and my engine started running really rough. Turns out my turbo exploded and pieces of it got stuck in the intake valves. That was my most expensive whoopsie. Had to have the head rebuilt and a new turbo installed. They also found the exhaust manifold was cracked and replaced with a 3 piece one. Still running like a Champ with over 200k miles.
@kdw75 they are tough 👍
The dt360 is 10 times the motor cummins build. Internationals 5.9l (Dt360) can see 700hp from just a turbo and p7100. And sustain those powers.
Have fun stuffing it into a pickup.
Nahhhh. As far as classic american diesel truck motors it's 6bt or bust. There are some more exotic swaps that seem to be becoming more popular such as the om606. Personally, I think the john deere 4 banger is better than the 6bt. It's just a pain to track down is all.
A 7.3 sits level with a 5.9 for power for the first almost 10 years. If you've never driven a detuned 24v nv4500, you've missed out on hitting your boost at 2800 rpms finally
I'll stick with the 6BT. I like the 4BT also, but they are a good bit more expensive than the 6s.
Perkins in line 6 from massy Ferguson 760 combine mid 70s simple design swap to half ton dodge standard transmission reliable
so did dynamite diesel cover the lost injectors since they disappeared during return shipping? was there a physical hole in the box or were they simply never put in the box? i feel like we need more info on this story
They actually disappeared on the way to DDP. They called me and asked why I sent an empty box 😂. USPS at its finest…
He's right about the machine shop and spending all that money. But he's also right about rolling the dice, as many of those DIY fixes introduce yet another dice roll. And how many of those do you get per engine, before you finally come up snake eyes? I hate coming up snake eyes
I think you can roll the dice a bunch of times with a 12V before you go bust 😉…probably
Love your videos and your sens of humor. I have inherited my late fathers 2002 2500 sport with the 24 valve vp44 he already had it tuned and tickled up to about 450 hp not sure i believe it.
You can make a good bit of power on a VP44. Just make sure it’s got a good lift pump feeding it 👍
12 valve saved my marriage, before getting it my wife tried to talk to me on road trips.
Yep. And saving a marriage is saving money. So it basically made you money 🤓
@@freedomworx That it did that truck was the lowest cost 100K i ever put on a vehicle. In 100K i had a headlight relay (the switch burns out as soon as you let someone else drive it) and had to adjust that stupid throttle idle adjustment (gen 2 if you know the one you know my pain).
The 12 valve is not the most reliable light duty engine. The 6-71 Detroit diesel is far more reliable. I had 2 identical push boats one had a pair of 12 valve Cummins and the other had a pair of 671 Detroits. The 671s were naturally aspirated with N75s and made around 250 HP. The 12 valve Cummins were turbocharged, non intercooled, and rated for 260HP. Both boats got about the same number of hours and moved the same barges on the same bodies of water. In 5 years I had 8 blown up Cummins and only 1 Detroit that wasn’t even blown up it just was in the shop for an overhaul because it was burning a ton of oil. The 671 is more reliable then the 12 valve and it has replaceable liners so you can freshen it up in place between rebuilds. I’m not a fan of the Detroit diesels GM has made some terrible Detroit diesels like the 92 series ticking time bomb. But the inline 671 at a reasonable HP level in my experience is very reliable. Not saying the Cummins is a POS by any stretch of the imagination, but the 671 is certainly a better engine if the additional weight isn’t a concern.
You are comparing a 2-Stroke 426CI purpose built medium duty engine to a 359CI 4-stroke light duty engine. They are not competitors and not even in the same category. The 71 Series Detroit is a great platform, but it is not a light duty engine. You might as well be comparing the 5.9 Cummins to a DT466.
Given what I put my 5.9 and 6.7 through, I can't imagine 8 of them blowing up... my 5.9 maxed out at 590/1200 on dyno, and I ran it for 160k mi at 550 horse, more in the 6.7. granted I don't use all that every running moment, but if you keep them under 200° F and the right oil (imperative), they last.
@@Faolan161 All I can tell you is these were stock factory new complete engines (oil pan to air filter). They ran 15w-40 Shell Rotella, got weekly oil changes, ran 24hours a day 7 days a week half the year and they lasted about 6-8 months before either oil consumption became excessive, or they had a major failure (like a rod through the side of the block). We just replaced them with a brand new Cummins complete engine when they failed. I’m not saying they are bad engines just that they don’t last anywhere as long as other engines in the 250 HP class. As for what the operators did to these things I couldn’t tell you. Most of these guys are animals so they certainly didn’t treat them nicely. However the same animals ran the other boat (with the Detroits) on the same jobs, moving the same dump scows and that didn’t eat anywhere near as many engines. It’s the only apples to apples comparison I can make, we run Cats, Cummins, Detroits, EMDs, John Deeres, and even a few Kubotas. However they are not running in the same equipment doing the same job and being used by the same people. The two little push boats were identical and in my opinion a fair comparison. I could say the John Deere 4045s are the best small engines because on my gensets they seem to go about 45,000 hours between overhauls. However this wouldn’t be a fair comparison as they are the only ones powering this type of genset. Even comparing them to the Kubotas of the portable gensets wouldn’t be fair.
@@Trump985 Something's gotta be wrong in there to blow up that many Cummins engines. I run a 4 cyl Cummins 4.5l in a skid steer as hard as I can, and the oil even stays clean at 500-700 hrs between oil changes, 4000 it's on it now. That's tougher than the boat work. Something's off, Cummins handle massive workloads just like yours all around the world. Of course, I'm the kind of guy who looks for the root cause of breakage so I can repair or redesign with proper parts so it doesn't melt itself down...
I hope you've found a better solution, that gets expensive fast.
@@Faolan161 how much do you know about boats? There are not many if any land vehicle that you can compare to a boat in the amount of abuse it takes.
As the owner of a 95 12 valve that dynos at 540hp/1236 ft-lbs I started to add up costs over the last few years to prove your costs were excessive and honestly I'm at about $6k but that includes swapping my nv4500 for a nv5600 and me doing all of the work including the trans rebuild. These dinosaurs are expensive to keep alive 😂
I'd say you got out pretty cheap. But did you adjust for inflation? Because it's almost like we've had a lot of that over the last 3 years 😉
@freedomworx there certainly has been some part increases but I purchased a lot of it on black Friday, or other sales. My hx35/40 hybrid (to retain exhaust brake) was also built by me so that was only about $600. Southbend street dual disc got used like new for $500. All about those deals!
@wyattl341 I love a good deal. I bought most of this stuff on sale myself. Just did the math with retail prices. 👍
Great vid, man. I learned a lot.
Question: Who do you recommend for a built transmission to handle that kind of power? I'm not going that high with my 7.3 PS, but i like to overbuild.
For a 7.3 built trans: Twisted Diesel, A1 transmission of Georgia, BTS, Sam Wise all good ones.
A1 Trans in Georgia built the trans in my 7.3L Excursion. I highly recommend those guys. 👍
Great video n information can't wait to see part 2
Thanks for watching 👍
At least their block won’t crack
53 Block Life 🤓
Should to transmission rebuild video! What did you end up going with?
Im getting there 😉
A guaranteed fact. A 913(215hp) ppump is not in the same ballpark as the 160-175hp pumps .
I wish this was a 215HP pump. But the 180HP Pump should be enough for this build...for now. 😉
@@freedomworx 180 pump is good. I still prefer the 913/887 tho. As there is a difference.
@@jeremymyers5643 The 215HP Pump has a more capable plunger and barrel setup.
@@freedomworxknow anything about a 230hp pump? I got a 12V out of an RV with 38k miles and am building it to replace a blown 6.4…but the ID plate on the pump is missing. Motor plate says it was made in ‘96 and it’s a 230hp motor but can’t find anything on the pump other than casting numbers.
@@kawi10r998ccit's a good one. I know that. I've got one out of a Tour Bus getting compounds soon for ma Fummins.