RED Komodo - How To AND Why Black Shading is Important
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- Опубликовано: 25 дек 2020
- RED Komodo - How To AND Why Black Shading is Important
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I wish I had seen this before. I’ve had so much problems with color distortion and banding. This should solve it all.
Considering subscribing 😉
Great black shade review! When I’m back up to the ranch from down south in the hospital I’ll be in touch. New studio construction starting and fiber optic.
As a camera rental business owner expecting to get the Komodo any time in a very near future can asure you this is a very good advice, even to all current users of any Red camera!
amazing thank you!
Thanks man! I’m getting my Komodo in a few days, so this was a GEM of a video!! Keep making them!! Subscribed 👍😎
Thanks Bro
Awesome thanks for the video that was really helpful
Glad it helped
great video. show us more komodo stuff that is easily overlooked!
Very valuable information!
Glad it was helpful!
YES! more Komodo content please!!
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Great video!
Thanks for the visit
Muy agradecido Carlos por generar contenido para Red Komodo, continua elaborando contenido especifico como estos, ya hay demasiado de otro tipo sobre que accesorios poner en camara pero no se encuentra mucho sobre como exponer correctamente. saludos desde Chile
Well done
I feel like I just went to Camera Church of Mount RUclips! Black shading is everything with RED. Keep creating amazing content!
haha I had to make this video because so many people complain about their image or show off less than nice looking image on social media...blah blah blah
this is more rigorous than just about anyone i know does in the field, but it's definitely good info.
Man, I was doing it wrong. I was just putting the lens cap on and not restarting the camera afterward. Also, good thing you mentioned turning off the camera first before switching out a lens.
yeah, you don't want to deal with dust on the sensor or worse because of a lens change while on a project.
Yet another great video! Nice job! OK so I've calibrated and shot in my home 70 degrees .. worked great. ... I went outside it was 90 degrees, calibrated and it worked great. Brought the camera back into the cool environment and the next day (today) I want to go back outside to the same 90 degree environment. So AFTER I let camera warm up outside, doesn't the Red Komodo remember the last calibration from yesterday (which should work fine if it does)? OR is there a way to recall yesterday's 90 degree shoot calibration, so that I can save time? ... OR must I ALWAYS calibrate when moving the camera from one environment to another (where the temperatures vary widely) even if it's the same as yesterday? I thank you in advance for your advice.
thx
Thanks Carlos. What Mic did you use in this video? Couldn’t find it in your gear.
Nicely done. Informative... no time waisted. No need to make a video of coffee making either! lol I wish most channels were like this mate! To the point, well explained & knowledgeable! thank you!! I don't own the RED ecosystem, but thinking of getting into it, for a nature/wildlife project. Thought about the Black Magic 12K as well ... but not too sure about that camera yet... thoughts? Thank you mate!
Thanks so much. Is necessary to black shade every single time or you said that if necessary only when the ambient temperature change significantly? Thanks again
Give me more content like this with the RED KOMODO please :)
I’d love to see a comparison on an image that’s been properly black shaded vs not. Like you’ve said in a previous reply, just get the shot vs not is probably good advice, but to black shade after changing frame rates seems like ridiculously too much work.
Thank you for this! This is Smitha
You're so welcome!
I have atomos shinobi as a monitor for red komodo. The waveform on shinobi looks not correct and it only covers around 5 to 60 at iso 250 or 5 to 100 at iso 4000. How should I set the sdi monitor correct both on red komodo and atomos shinobi? Thanks
So if I'm showing up to a shoot where I'm going to be shooting interviews at 24fps, and b-roll at 48fps - and going back and forth all day - which fps setting should I black shade at?
great explanation Carlos,
as always! Step by step...
(I am not a Red user, but just one quick question: how does black shading works? I mean, sensor cap is on... so... sensor sees nothing right? or is there some sort of sensor on the camera body? If there is no sensor cap (we forgot it) is it possible simply to cover a sensor with something black and do black shade..?
thanks
the idea is not to allow any light to hit the sensor, so that it can establish a black point for every pixel
@@carlosq00 yeah but why then do it again when we change the studio, light environment.
black is black with the cap on... 🤔
why do it again
@@VirtuosityToniLekic I’ve also had this question while I was watching this video. Would be great to get an answer.
@@VirtuosityToniLekic you wouldn’t need to unless the other settings are changed.
Thank you for this one, that helped a lot. Do you think it matters if I do the black shading and move the komodo around? Or should it be on a fixed position?
Black shading has to do with sensor temperature not motion. If you see your T/E switch from Green to Orange or RED time for you to recalibrate. Or if the temperature changes drastically say going from indoors to extreme heat or cold
@@carlosq00 Thanks Carlos 👍
Do we call your Komodo Karlos or Carlos 70? I’m in near total isolation and recovering and they’ve put plastic sheet airlocks in the hospital to prevent spread of COVID and no access to any of my cameras. I’m feeling better, but just watching content.
Carlos. Thank You. We just had a disaster with a Cinematographer who was at least 2 stops under (normally not a big deal) and we believe didn't Black-Shade calibrate the Komodo because the footage is super noisy at 800 ISO. We're trying "Topaz" to de-noise, but, its a little challenging with some of the shots. What De-Noiser do you use, specifically for this issue with Red Footage and black shade issues. Thanks So Much. Love your videos BTW.
Your best bet will be Neat Video and a custom noise profile for best results - sorry it worked out that way.
is this feature meant to be calibrated every time will it put any wear on censor?
wear on the sensor no, it is a way of calibrating the image processor...
Do you need to black shade when changing recording frame rate, or just when changing the project frame rate? Thank you for the videos!
if you black shade at the start of your project, you will likely be in good shape throughout the day unless you go from one extreme to the next in terms of temperature. As long as your T/E don't go red you're good to go. if the T/E goes orange, keep an eye on the goal posts.
@@carlosq00 thank you. I’m still not sure about the frame rates though. If I keep the project frame rate at 24p but change the shooting frame rate to 50p, do I need to black shade again?
CAN YOU LEAVE THE LENS YOU ABOUT TO USE, while you are performing the Black Shade ? Or you need to remove Lens too ?
NO you should always use the body’s sensor cap and any time you change a lens you should power down before removing a body cap or lens to avoid static or other energy from polluting your sensor.
Filming a wedding. Do I have to black shade every single time I change my frame rate from 24 to 60? So scenes I may want to capture both then decide in post which one works best ( Reg Motion or Slow Motion ). Also do I have to black shade every single time the environment / lighting changes? Filming a wedding, you can go from one scene to the next fairly quick ( Inside to Outside / Room to Room ). What is the best strategy for black shading during a wedding?
if you are not going through significant temperature changes say within 10ish degrees or so you're in relatively good shape just keep an eye on your temp to ensure that you are in the green. If you change your ISO or Frame Rate then Black Shading becomes important and to my knowledge, there isn't a way on Komodo to store black shade values for multiple frame rates, like there is on DSMC2...
So that is def a down side that I would have to black shade every single time I decide to change the frame rate to slow mo.
Having used it on a shoot like this, I can say it is important to do this step, but not necessary. If you can’t calibrate it, just get the shot.
@@jvke.p How long does it take to black shade??? I'm trying to put my self in a scenario shooting a wedding.
@@bcoss2 about 3 minutes thru and thru
is it ok to calibrate when we have a lens on?
no it is not.
@@carlosq00 ty for heads up!
What were you about to say about indoor/outdoor shoots? You were about to talk more on it, then the Calibration finished and you moved on. I asked because recently I shot with the Komodo inside of a warm car and then outside and about 15ﾟtemperatures. I was black shading every time I was in the car or outside and before i would fire off a shot - repeatedly back and forth (catching various shots in a day with mixed natural lighting and shitty planningon producers part) so I'm curious. Do I need to allow the Komodo to get to the temperature of indoor/outdoor temps before the black shade everytime and how long typically does the Komodo take to get to appropriate temp? New to Komodo but want the best IQ and so I can get and to learn 👍solid video btw. I'm in Wyoming&Colorado so winter is crazy sometimes
Yes, you have to allow the camera to come up to temperature before black balancing.
Can you change settings after blackshading? Lets say you want to change frame rates.. should you blackshade again?
(( got my answer in some of the comments below ))
Short version is that the calibration happens over a range not like DSMC2 so as long as you don’t see orange or red in your t/e you should be ok
Do i need black shade if i shoot a diferent scene in the same location with a different iso?
Not unless you see your T/E change from green to RED
@@carlosq00 thanks!
I’ve been really debating this and the c70. In your real world experience, do you see a major improvement in image quality in the Komodo over the c70? Especially since In one of your c70 videos you mentioned how it’s reminds you of the image from the helium.
If you want that image quality go for the Komodo. The final image it delivers is out of this world.
Is it necessary to black shade if shooting in prores?
Yes
In one of reds videos they say on the bigger bodies it takes an hour to do blackshading... Seems really tedious. Was the blackshading on the komodo in this video was realtime or not?
a mistake from people new to RED leads them to AUTO Black Shade and why it takes a long time. Auto Black Shade is not recommended... Yes this was done in real time.
@@carlosq00 thanks!
Blackshading on my dsmc2 takes forever 😭
That can be true if you allow it to auto black shade. It is recommended that you don’t auto black shade for best results!
@@carlosq00 Awesome thanks! Just got it, still trying to figure it out.
soooo... run & gun means something totally different with this camera?
Yes
Not sure why anyone thinks the boot up time + the black shading is something they can live with...the footage is great but in this day and age...25 seconds boot up and I cant take it from inside to outside without waiting on a blackshade???
Why does red need to do this but arri doesn’t?
which ARRI are you talking about? or a better way to ask the same question, are you interested in denoising in post or do you shoot in Log C ever?
@@carlosq00 black shading specifically. No other camera sensor needs that.
I shoot in LogC each time i use Arri and denoising in post only when a super clean image is needed. (Arris grain actually looks quite nice to me most the time)
@@ryanjosephdp I believe the reason could be that the sensor in an Alexa is heated/cooled to a specific temperature no matter what the external temperature is. As such the sensor does not need to be calibrated to specific settings/temperatures. I might be mistaken but this is what i’ve heard.
Do you have to black shade every time you change the ISO or any of the settings even if you have already just blackshaded within that same environment?
not if your T/E stay green. If they don't stay green or go Red, then you should.
@@carlosq00 Thank you man. I appreciate you answering my question!