He had one a while ago that killed me. They had to switch topics or something, so Chris said "ok, you're gonna have to let it breathe" then Rob jumped in and said "I've said that a few times at Magic City." Lol my man had me in stitches
Lol. Bron failed and bailed too many times. He talks a lot about wanting to be the GOAT. He'll do anything to avoid adversity and pad his stats. MJ never said he was trying to be the GOAT. MJ's focus was on winning titles for the team/city that drafted him. LeBron plays for stats, MJ played for winning. Playing to win is always going to come out on top.
Tim Duncan numbers are better than Kobe, Kareem, Hakeem Olajuwon, bill Russell, Larry bird and way better than magic Johnson. Tim Duncan: First in block First in double double 3 in rebounds One of 6 players to score 5,000 points in playoffs history 19 in assists 20 in steal. 5-1 Better percent in winning
Yeah me too. RIP MAMBA KING GOD.. I been saying this for over a year now. If most consider MJ the best and Kobe is just like him. Then Kobe gotta be number 2. But Russell, Kareem, magic, Duncan and Shaq got my vote
He’s top 10. I used to have him at 11 or 12 before he retired but he’s at 10 or 9 for me now with his career in the history books. That’s an amazing achievement. He’s among the best 10 to ever do it out of thousands of players to ever play in the NBA. I don’t see the shame on that
Kobe was great but he's simply not in the goat conversation for total career, maybe just comparing primes but first 3seasons wasn't a top 10 player last 4 seasons was hurt. And even though Lakers were very 2 man dominant and Kobes greatness was absolutely needed but Shaq was the man, and by a wide margin the first title when he averaged 38pts and 16rebounds in the finals and Kobe was 15pts on 36% and that was 4years in.
TheDiaryOfAnOxymoron you get it. It got people to tune in. They’re using Bron and I think he knows it now after he sees his previously allied media all bow down to Jordan now.
TUNEZSUN 2 I agree and Russell also 11 championships but nobody has them in top 5 Amazing.I think Kareem,Russell,Chamberlain in any order would be top 3 alltime
@@donniepate7313 Guys I'm sorry but you can't really take accomplishments of wilt and Russel with same weight as other players. They played with as low as 8 teams in the league, and in later years few season with what, 14 teams... And with that many teams he won 2 championships as freak of nature that had insane advantage over every single player in that era. And Russell was on only stacked team inside whole league (and with only few teams in it as well) so no big surprise in 11 championships Kareem has 6 rings and for sure you can put him in top players of all times, but for his last two rings he was sort of being carried, he did like 6 rebounds and 15 points so still not in GOAT conversation imo but he is very close up there. I always laugh when I see someone read how many points and rebounds Wilt scored and just went with GOAT notion without context. Who knows how many players would average that many or more if they were put in that era. I believe Shaq would do even better yet he is never in conversation for top 3 players. Its not all in the stat line boys
Notice how all the former scrub players and with most of the media that never hooped think lebron is a GOAT but top tier talent have kobe over lebron, lol
@@mackavelimillz it dont matter what you say lol, they rebuttal with something that makes no sense like "they play the same" so of course he thinks he is
LeBron put more pressure on himself when he got to Miami and said "Not 5, not 6, not 7.." Before that, he took a bad Cleveland team to the finals against San Antonio when he was young. At the time he made his prediction, Bird had 3 rings, Shaq had 4, Kobe and Magic had 5 apiece, Kareem and Jordan with 6 apiece and Bill Russell with 11. When it became obvious that LeBron wouldn't catch Jordan, then people started talking about his stats besides championships. I can't ignore 6 losses in the finals if he only has 3 victories. Magic has 4 losses in the finals, but he won five times, so why bring it up? I never hear the excuse that it's good enough to get there for any other athlete except LeBron and Peyton Manning. Peyton Manning kept failing in the postseason, people got around it by saying he was the "Greatest Regular Season Quarterback." When he got his second ring, they stopped
Gotta disagree here, he was only favored in 2 of his finals because he never had the better all round team. Except Dallas and OKC, I can't excuse Dallas and that was and is the biggest blemish on his resume. But he never had healthy running mates in their prime in the NBA Finals. They were either always injured or unreliable, he has shown up in basically every finals except for Dallas. Fundamentally, for 95% of his career he has beaten who he should have beaten with the resources he had at the time. Once again except for Dallas. That's all anyone can ask from him.
@@shaamirhaneef LeBron has the worst luck of any superstar in the history of sports. Any time you talk to any of his fans there is always an excuse to why he lost.
Bruh...the league went crazy when the Lakers got Pau who avg 20ppg TWICE in his career Lebron's THIRD OPTION avg 24ppg (Bosh) and 25ppg (Love) avg 4-5ppg MORE than Kobes SECOND OPTION the year before they joined the team
The league because the Lakers got Pau Gasol by trading KWAME BROWN,. Kobe himself called the trade highway robbery. Pau also dragged Memphis kicking and screaming into the playoffs 3x in the West, something Love couldn't do and Bosh only did twice in a weak Eastern Conference And lets not act like the league just shrugged when Lebron went to Miami. For the 4 years he was there he was the most hated player in the NBA
Dirk is 1-1 over a 20 year period. Does this 500 finals score rank him over Bron? Why not he is an iconinc player,signature move face of franchise. lol im joking but thats how yall sound. Mj the goat b4 my fellow olds start crying
Thank you it’s about winning !!! Magic went to 9 finals in 12 years. That’s 75 % of his career. No one ever talks about how many times he went there. They talk about the 5 he won !!! These lebron fans have twisted all this up. They make the dumbest arguments & standards...
VINCENT your statement is deceiving. Magic won 2 championships before Worthy was there. Kareem was pretty much washed up with the last 2 Magic won and Thompson never player with McAdoo. LeBron played with Bosh, Wade, Love, Irving, Ray Allen, Shaq and Davis which will all probably be in the Hall of Fame. But see my post can be deceiving too.
@@donaldbrady3850 Lies!! Kareem won League MVP in 1979.... That's far from Washed! That same Lakers team also had HOF SF Jamaal Wilkes before Magic got there. Y'all say anything. Magic joined a team with a 6 Time League MVP but that don't count for nothing cause y'all have a false narrative that he was washed
Lebum been swept in the finals multiple times and wet the bed against the Mavs who had 1-all-star on their team. That's pretty pathetic if you call yourself the best player to ever walk the face of the earth.
So Jordan has never been swept? Magic never lost in the finals when he was the overwhelming favorite? Like y’all are bias as hell. If you don’t like the guy just say so.
Why is this shocking? Lebron doesn’t HAVE to be in everyone’s all time top five. He’s not in mine either. Not everyone is a millennial that has been brainwashed by sports media. Here is the thing I noticed about Lebron. For someone that some people claim to be the “goat” he sure does have a lot of excuse makers for him. GOATs aren’t 3-6 in the finals. GOATs don’t (constantly) jump ship once the going gets rough. GOATs don’t choke in the finals and get ran off his own court by Dirk Nowitzki.
Anthony Broaddus Dallas beat Kobe in the western conference semi finals, It’s a dumb argument. I have never seen anyone play better than LeBron did in game 1 of the 2018 NBA finals - the Jr Smith game. Kobe had Shaq, let us be fair, Bird had 3 hall of famers, Magic as well. The Lakers were going to make it to the post season since 2013 and were probably going to make it to the western conference finals led by a 36 year old LeBron. He may not be GOAT but he is an incredible player.
Boitumelo Motsogi did I say he’s not an incredible player? Lol no. He’s an all time great. No doubt about it. Not in my all time top five. Don’t take it personal okay? You and Lebron aren’t related. Also, let’s not pretend those Miami teams that lost to Dirk, then were saved by a last second shot by Ray Allen, then were ran off the court the following year by Duncan and Kawhi were scrubs. They were absolutely loaded. Dewayne Wade is the third greatest shooting guard of all time (after Jordan and Kobe). Chris Bosh is another Hall Of Famer (who rebounded Lebron’s last second brick in Game Six and had the court presence to pass it to Ray Allen). They also had great role players. So yeah, cut it out and stop getting in your emotions.
There is still accomplishment in defeat, going to the finals 8 straight times on 2 different teams says something about the greatness of the player and each time we know he was a key factor in those teams success. The same way I don't take from the great players in any sport who didn't win any chips, my opinion
That dude! “Helicopter ride to the top” he played on the Cleveland Cavaliers for the first 7 years of his career. When he left, his best teammate was Mo Williams. How on earth is that a helicopter ride to the top. He didn’t have the privilege of his organisation drafting a hall of famer to play with him (Pippen). He didn’t have the privilege of being drafted to the best organisation in the sport with McHale and Parish arriving soon after (Bird). He didn’t get the privilege of being drafted to the LA Lakers, with a prime Shaquille O’Neal / Kareem already on his team (Kobe and Magic). LeBron’s start to his career is worlds apart from those I mentioned above, he had to leave to have a chance at success. LeBron’s stats have given him 3 titles and 9 finals appearances. Westbrook’s has given him 1 finals appearance. That’s the difference. LeBron’s stats lead to wins, he’s not hunting triple doubles at the expense of his team like Westbrook has been prone to do on occasion.
Yancy Richards again, you haven’t addressed the first 7 years of his career. He made a super team himself, how was that laid out for him? He took his career into his own hands, make no mistake about it.
I'm sorry but if anyone had a helicopter ride it would be magic n Kobe. Magic would have went back to college had the bulls won the lottery. Instead he goes to the Lakers with Kareem waiting with the great organization that is the Lakers and the big beautiful city of LA. In a weak Western conference thru out the 80s only the Lakers n the rockets represented west in that whole decade. Played with Wilkes worthy McAdoo Scott just to name a few. It's no secret that magic to Lakers bird to Boston was setup to help the NBA eat off that rivalry and help NBA for ratings. Now what bout Kobe. Kobe gets traded to the Lakers on draft day paired with a soon to be prime Shaq. Coached by phil coming off 6 titles in 8 years. Win three titles get the big head shoot away a title against the Pistons got Phil and Shaq outta town. Miss the playoffs in his prime get Phil back acquired pay gasol for pennies on dollars. Go the three finals win two. Get swept as two time defending champs(never hear that brought up). Lose Phil tear Achilles take 40 mill get farewell tour. With all that being said I respect both guys games and believe their both top ten all time greats
Good job with the smooth brain analysis. Know that you have the same conclusion as a 2nd grader. With that logic let’s draft only the winners from the NCAA, you would be fired as a nba and nfl scout if your analysis is just draft the winner.
No goat in any sport would get swept away in the finals ( broom style) TWICE! And All LeBron rings he didn't win the game in the end. He missed a 3 and was bailed out by Jesus shuttlesworth Ray Allen! Lets not speak on Mr. Irving hitting the last 7 points to seal the title. Not LeBron James.
My list: Michael Jordan Kareem Abdul Jabbar Kobe Bryant Magic Johnson Larry Bird Bill Russell Wilt Chamberlain Isiah Thomas Hakeem Olajuwon Oscar Robertson
paul is right?pauls 5 is amazing,all those guys led like generals,with no flaws in their game,never backs down never quit and led their teams to multiple championships lebron always crying quiting and backing down 17 years with all types of super teams and only wining 3,he is not top 5
Jordan. Magic. Bird. Kareem. Kobe. Duncan. Shaq. He’s not in my top 5 either. I don’t see what the big deal is 🤷🏽♂️ I think it’s fair for paul to hold it against Lebron, Imagine if other greats did that, they’d have more rings! edit: Also the head to head matchup between Lebron and pierce is 66-65 in favor of Lebron. So he’s beat Lebron the most out of anyone.
Yo Aris I agree. He’s top 10 but I always ask people this...name a player in another sport in the history of this world where that player has a losing championship record and be considered greatest of all time. And that’s just 1 reason.
he has more accolades than bird. Kobe and Duncan only have lebron in chips and defensive teams. Lebron has more of everything except chips and he is tied in finals mvps. Kareem is better but barely, Magic is debatable, Jordan is the greatest American athlete to have ever lived
I can't even imagine Jordan, Kobe, Duncan, or Shaq with SIX FINALS LOSSES! Jerry West and Elgin Baylor stats can go H2H against ANYONE. ARE THEY TOP 5?! 🤔
@@kidking___________________7554 I never said they were, but statistically they were the best players of their eras! How many finals did Elgin and Jerry West get to?! Learn the history of the game!!
Boris Diaw shutting LeBron down pissed me off. I can’t ever remember a time being so pissed off about a game Lmao that’s when I stopped believing in LeBron
They have no reason on why they think Lebron is number 2 all time. Robs reason was "he could be number 1 all time in scoring". He's not right now so why have him number 2 right now.
I said the same thing. Doesn't make any sense. People only rank him so high becasue of total stats. There are others with the same career averages and others with the same amount of accolades and others with more championships. He should be around 5 or 6. People act like it's disrespectful to say that.
TheUndefeatedOfTheEast full body of work it’s not just about what you’ve done in your prime is about your career he might be a underachiever when it comes to championships but the player itself he’s top 3 all time 17+ plus years and still being a top 3 player in the league is unheard of in any sport
Niclas Ränkel greatness means accomplishments. It has nothing to do with ability and eye test. Lebron does not have top 5 accomplishments in the NBA all time. Other players have done more with less in less time.
Broussard is acting like Lebron could've had a Finals streak with Mo Williams - he COULDN'T make it with Mo and didn't start his streak until he formed the super-team.. he formed a super-team in a conference that weak teams were rountinely winning (09' Dwight, 07' Lebron, 03' Kidd, 01' AI)
@@cbmattzilla yes, and they were at least 30 years old! Their best years were clearly behind them! Sure, they could've put on great numbers on TERRIBLE teams, but NEITHER of their teams were winning prior to Ray and KG getting shipped to Boston!
At the end of the day, Lebron beat Paul on the road to his first chip and Boston traded P to Brooklyn 😂. And miss me with the super team. You had a great front office that got you KG and Ray Allen, stop it.
Where was that great front office all those years he was losing 😂 he was lucky to get a legit run at the end of his career. Paul could’ve easily went down as a great player who never won a ring.... & remember he sent lebron packing to Miami to join 2 franchise players in their primes. Let’s not forget that
I agree with Pierce and he made a good point. He’s entitled to his professional opinion. Pierce was a rival of Kobe as well but he still has him in his top 5.
Players don’t build organizations, ask Tracy McGrady and Kevin Garnett . Organizations put teams together and Paul pierce himself should know that. His organization brought him help not him
You can’t be the goat when you weren’t the best player on your team for 3 of your 5 rings. Also can’t be a goat when you blow a 3-1 lead in the first round like Kobe 😂😂😂
Kobe #8 10yrs Top 10 Mamba #24 10yrs Top5 You play to win chips: Finals 5-2 Every player after Mj wanted to be like Mike...only one has accomplished that. Kobe like Mj had no weakness. If you can't hit free throws you NOT the 🐐 👑... Kobe hit 2 with torn Achilles. 🐐Status
@Eddy Valenica It's too hard to compare players in different generations. And it's even harder to say who's the GOAT. Everybody has his favorite player as the GOAT. Lebron is going to be one of the greatest player on and off the court. He showed his peers and the future generations of players at least the superstars how to control their careers.
Gary Ridgeway I agree with the Bill Russell argument, but even if you half Russell’s ring due to competition and round down it’s still 5 rings plus other accolades, Lebron has 3 and has needed 2 all stars each time to win, sorry not that impressive, I have Lebron 8 on my list aswell
Gary Ridgeway Shaq has 4 rings being the best player on the team each time, I’d pick a prime Shaq over Lebron anyday, Lebron is too busy trying to suck up to other players to try get them to join him
Now imagine if all the other great players got to move around from team to team and hand pick the best players to play with in order to boost their chances to win a title. Then imagine if those players also got to hand pick their role players, and pick guys who perfectly complemented their games. Then they get to trade away guys who either don't fit with the great player or who disagree with how that player does things. I don't mind the comparisons, just as long as the playing field is level.
@@firstchain_prominence Not sure what that comment has to do with my statement. I'm talking about making historical comparisons of individual players when some got to choose their situations and play GM for most of their careers, while other players had to figure out a way to win with the players they were given by Management. My comment had nothing to do with organizations that draft players and make trades, because all organizations draft players and make trades. But not all players got to play GM. In fact less than 1% of them did.
All great players had great teams..this started with the celtics in the 50's and 60' Bill Russell played with 9 Hall of famers, laker with Wilt Chamberlain, jerry west Elgin baylor, Bird had Parrish McHale Dennis johnson, tiny archibald bill Walton, lakers magic, Kareem, worthy, jamal wilkes, Bob Mcadoo...Hell celtics with pierce, Garnett, rondo, ,ray allen...Teams have always been loaded that won chips
@@dman9958 I would suggest reading my second comment again that is directly above yours, as I don't like repeating myself. You listed a bunch of great teams that were formed by the front office of great organizations. None of that has anything to do with the point I'm making about one player hand picking his teammates and playing de facto GM wherever he goes. And for every great team you can list, I can name you a dozen players who were never so lucky as to have front offices that were competent enough or well connected enough to get the right players around them. Wilt Chamberlain and Oscar Robertson played in an era when there was no free agency. This meant that they had to stay with the team that drafted them until they were traded. So is it fair to compare players of the past with players of today who have all the advantages of player movement that certain older players lacked? THAT is my point!
That dude! - because they know they’ll get a ton of clicks from the people who obsessively hate on Bron. I agree it’s perfectly reasonable for PP not to include him.
@That dude! If you don't think Paul pierce is a LeBron/Wade hater then you need to be drugtested. You guys need help lol he's been hating on both of those guys for years go look up his quotes. You guys need to update your information you're not even close with your takes lol
Vagabond_Charlie the cavs were a lottery pick team before Lebron and couldn’t make the playoffs after he left so yeah they were basically ymca pick ups😂 few good players but very inconsistent. And as far as your “dominant” players Lebron is the only player close to passing Kareem in points, magic himself doesn’t agree with you he admits bron better, Michael Jordan was 1-9 in the playoffs before pippen, couldn’t beat the pistons until they got old, and got swept twice. Kobe also got swept by the same mavs team that swept Lebron 🤦🏽♂️ your criticisms are forced corny and ignorant
He not saying its better his saying losing is losing either in the first round last round middle round you LOST no body enters the seasons and thinks losing in the conference finals or nba Finals is a success the warriora dont see last year as a success you either win or lose nothing in between
From playing sports growing, I'll be honest. Losing early in the playoffs (or not making it) doesn't hurt nearly as much as losing the finals. I'm talking tears for days type of pain.
You don’t get it. Kobe takes more heat for losing to the pistons in 04 than the spurs in 03. Bron was in the jv conference so he kinda had to make the finals to give himself a case. But that doesn’t mean he had the second best team in the nba
Defense is a hard one LBJ was one of if not the best defender earlier in his career and KD was lax on defense.. KD picked up his defense on the warriors and LBJ slacked off.. KD is 100% a better shooter however even in the NBA finals were LBJ lost he had a slightly better FG% because he could get to the basket.. LBJ is clearly a better passer and better play maker.. But if your telling me KD and LBJ are both all time greats hell yes they are.. KD and LBJ would rip the 80s and 90s league apart.. KD is a beast..
@@LovingTinha LBJ has made more clutch shots at a higher percentage in the NBA playoffs than MJ... Your just drinking Rob Parker and Skip Bayless koolaid.. They wont accept the reality that LBJ is clearly clutch.. Kawhi is not even close to hitting the clutch shots of LBJ and LBJ was a great two way player at Kawhi's age.. BTW when Kawhi won the MVP for scoring 15 points a game LBJ was scoring 28 ppg at 58% FG and 50% from 3.. Great defense Kawhi..
Pierce is definitetly salty, but when you look at his Top 5, you can make an arguement for every guy there. There are a lot of exceptional basketball players.
apothe6 exactly ! Ppl are acting like he’s putting bums ahead of lebron. You could throw in Hakim, Shaq, Duncan & Bird all in that last. I don’t understand how ppl think lebron clearly surpassed all these great players. If you think lebrons better cool, but let’s not act like we can’t debate these players being better than lebron as well...
Just tell me the players that Dan Gilbert gave LeBron during the first 7 years. They're talking about franchises that had great GMs, those GMs built those teams up but no ones says anything about that
Man what he brung in plenty of all stars and perfect pieces to fit around LeBron. I believe they were the 1 seed the year they lost to the Magic but sm1 made a horrible decision of leaving JJ Hickson off the playoff roster when he was the only one with the athleticism (besides Bron) to matchup with Dwight. They brung in Larry Hughes, Mo Williams, Ben Wallace, Antawn Jamison, and plenty others throughout the years just for ppl to say they don’t fit with LeBron. So as of now, it seems only superstars fit with him smh. Big Z was also an all star but Bron turns all post players into spotup shooters. He’s essentially the big man on the team and essentially the point guard so there are only a select few who would want to even play with him and if they do they eventually get tired of being discredited by the media. Sometimes I think if Bron was in Kyrie’s spot and hit that shot he woulda still got Finals MVP or if he had James Harden or Westbrook numbers he would win MVP 3 years in a row. Ppl are just biased. As of today with his 3-6 record with an insane amount of help it’s definitely possible he isn’t top if he retired today. But he’s definitely better at basketball than Bill Russell.
The thing is most people still have Lebron viewed unfairly. Him beating the pistons and then getting swept by the spurs should be considered one of the greatest nba feats. Him winning 3 games by himself against the Big 4 Celtics in 2008 should be seen has impressive because those same Celtics won the finals against the Lakers 4-2. Him losing to the Celtics in 6 games in 2010 is impressive, since he won 2 games against the Big 4 by himself. Contrastly Jordan didn’t win a single game against the Celtics in 2 series and moreover he never even deserved to be a playoff team because there were only 11 teams in the east and 8 teams made it. So this just blows my mind how people just tear Lebron up and then praise Jordan for doing less.
Monsta Kakarot look again Big Z was old and was only an All-Star like his rookie year. Ben was old. Hughes, look at what he did on other teams. Mo Williams is a nice player but you need more to beat 4 current all stars in the Celtics and there good bench. Jamison, nice player but look at what he did elsewhere too. None of those guys you listed I would take above Rajon Rondo. In a pickup game I’m taking Lebron first, then KG, Pierce, Rondo, and then Allen before I’m taking any of Lebron’s teammates in 2008 or 2010.
I love LeBron and he is top 3 all-time. His fans think going to the finals 8 times in a row is the same as winning 6 in 8 years lol. Championships isn't everything, but half of Jordan's career was championship wins.
@@haisai6796 Clearly you didnt get the point so i'll simplify. The bulls won 6 titles in 8 years during MJ's prime. From 1990-1998 was the definition of dominance!
Having Good Ones losing in the first round and losing in the finals is both still LOSING at the end of the day. You don’t get credit for making it to the finals and losing you Lebron fans sound so stupid making that argument. The fact is Jordan has 6 rings and 6 finals mvps and he three peated twice. That’s more impressive than anything Lebron has ever done in his career period. It’s a flat out lie that Lebron has beat “much harder” competition i know you have to be young to make a stupid statement like that. The best team he beat was golden state and that was BEFORE they were stacked, the cavaliers had just as much talent as they did in 2016. Not to mention the league had to pull some funny business to get the cavs back in that series but we won’t go down that road. The only stacked teams he faced in the finals were the 17 and 18 warriors and he got blown off the floor both times. Jordan was always the best player in the finals hands down. You can’t say that about Lebron unless your a liar. Jordan never had a finals like Lebron did in 07 when he averaged 22ppg on 36% shooting. Jordan never had a finals where he averaged 17ppg and scored 8 points in a finals game, and got outplayed by two of his teammates. Jordan never had a finals where he got outplayed by an opposing role player like Lebron did against Jason Terry lol smh. Lebron is a great player, i have him top five all time, but his greatness is way overstated sometimes...
Here's the issue, LeBron has fled to a better team every time he's felt his team was in a downward spiral. Boston and Orlando better than Cleveland, flees to Miami. Wade and Bosh start getting old, flee back to Cleveland to get a younger version of Wade and Bosh. With the salary cap maxed out with roles players and an Eastern Conference on the rise he flees to the Lakers KNOWING Anthony Davis is on his way. LeBron and AD threw the 2018-2019 season away because they couldn't get their way. Players like Jordan, Kobe, Dirk, etc stayed with their franchise to go through growing pains, and the ups and downs. LeBron has been smart to bounce around the league how he has, but it makes him look like he's not competitive.
@Having Good Ones stay out of your feelings Nick Wright Jr. He got SWEPT in those Finals and averaged 22 points on 36% shooting, so why does it matter? Also, 2007 had the worst Eastern Conference in modern history. Those Detroit Pistons were garbage compared to Larry Brown's Championship Pistons team, so please save that rebuttal (because I know you were going to go there) for someone that doesn't know what they're talking about. Allen Iverson made it to the Finals with a team of defenders, no second option and no one praises that. At least he stole a game from the Lakers (which were undefeated in the playoffs that year). Btw where did you get Shaq from? I mentioned Dirk, not Shaq and you call me an idiot? Learn to read before you call people names. Kobe did "dEmand" a trade, but that's what ultimately got him Pau Gasol, so why bring that up? Tim Duncan almost went to Orlando, is that relevant? I said LeBron was SMART for how he's managed his career, but he must be scrutinized for it because he's ran away every time the ship started sinking. No man should be above reproach. Stop worshipping athletes.
@@divantirivera5447 you are correct in saying owners trade players all the time. Never said he was wrong. I said it was smart, but that does make him look less competitive because of his timing. Kawhi Leonard won a championship and left the Raptors who had roster to run it back. When Jordan retired the Bulls won 3 Championships. LeBron left teams that were tapped out. That's the difference. He's running away.
Clutch Sports succeeded in brainwashing enough people that winning doesn't matter... They also helped people overlook that lebron's ECF win streak didn't start until he formed a super-team in a conference that weak teams were routinely winning (09' Dwight, 07' Lebron, 01' Iverson, 02-03' Kidd).. his "decision" built a fake resume based on manufactured Finals runs and then claiming "making the Finals is still great" after blowing the title These misperceptions have allowed the media to shove a fake goat debate down our throats
LeBron is going to pass Kareem in points and pass Magic in assists and they are both in the top 5. Just keep that in mind when people try and justify leaving LeBron out of the top 5.
@Mr. Perfect Argument is invalid.. Gm's are responsible for team building and they dropped the ball on LeBron for practically 10 years by not putting an All-Star around him.. He has every right to leave ..
Dude. He has Kareem in the top five, which he should. But his argument his hippocritical. Leaving Lebron out for leaving to build is no different than Kareem closing the lakers and drafting Magic and Worthy. The Jordan argument is bad too. Chicago is a large market destination. No one wanted to play in Cleveland, regardless of how pass happy Lebron was. It's a shitty city. The management had 7 years to get help. Drafting was shitty and they were lucky to get Lebron because of the lottery. Paul has sour grapes, plus his team had a big three.
"Woooow... woooow" Chris Brousard and Rob hearing Paul Pierce putting kobe ahead of LeBron...... meanwhile the majority of fans and players (active and retired) feel the same way. 😂😂😂😂😂 THEY LIVE IN THEIR OWN WORLD
He's definitely NOT top 2, we can have a conversation about Top 5 but PP made a point...Is Lebron a Laker? Cavalier? HEAT? Name isn't synonymous with a team, so what did he build?
Magic played every position in a dominate fashion. Won with different players. Brought NBA games to live broadcast. He was SHOWTIME. As a rookie, took the Lakers to a title, even replacing Kareem as a rookie! Against Darryl "Chocolate Thunder" Dawkins. Took the Lakers to the championship with Vlade Divac and Elden Campbell (lol). Magic was a better passer. He was a better rebounder. He gave up over 12 assist a game while averaging over 19 points a game. Magic could easily have been a better scorer if he wanted to. Mamba defense was way better than magic. Magic saying Kobe is the greatest Laker, is just Magic doing what he had always done.... Pass. I love Kobe and he is top 5 all time great and LeBron isn't in my top 5, but I would always take Magic over Kobe for my team.
@@greezythumb I have Kobe too 5 min cause the game is played with 5. If it was played with doubles he’d be top 2 min on my list 😂😂😂 I just wanna heyy the unbeatable squad out there. No way in hell magic could go get 80 or avg 30 for a season bruh. Cmon. Magic is a dawg. What he did as a rookie arguably the most impressive feat in nba history but Kobe I’d we’re making teams and down to magic or Kobe? They both provide elite abilities on offense but only one is elite defensively. That’s why he could shoot his 6-24 in game 7 against those Celtics and still lead the game is scoring also while grabbing 15 boards (think magics a better rebounder as well) and hit artest with the go ahead shot (making the right play, which his haters say he never does, then when he did, they criticize him) haha we are splitting hairs and I love both players. Literally 2 of the top 3 lakers (3rd being Mikan if we’re keeping it a buck haha)
Why is Lebron James rated over wilt chamberlain, when wilt won 2 rings in 13years and Lebron James one won 3 in 17 years and wilts stats are way better??🤷🏿♂️🤷🏿♂️
Wilt played when there were 8 teams. Wilt played against 6 foot 8 centers. Wilt could shoot as many times a game as he wanted. Winning 2 rings when you’re only playing against 7 other teams isn’t good enough for a best of all time discussion. LeBron has won 3 playing against 29 other teams, in an era where NBA players don’t also work another full time job to pay the bills 😂.
lebron is just packing his stats from him being able to play as long as he has , his body hasn't got beat up like the players in the previous eras , he's benefited from playing in a softer league
The thing is most people still have Lebron viewed unfairly. Him beating the pistons and then getting swept by the spurs should be considered one of the greatest nba feats. Him winning 3 games by himself against the big 4 Celtics in 2008 should be seen has impressive because those same Celtics won the finals against the Lakers 4-2. Him losing to the Celtics in 6 games in 2010 is impressive, since he won 2 games against the Big 4 by himself. Contrastly Jordan didn’t win a single game against the Celtics in 2 series and moreover he never even deserved to be a playoff team because there were only 11 teams in the east and 8 teams made it. So this just blows my mind how people just tear Lebron up and then praise Jordan for doing less.
You act like the advantages are one way. Jordan was like the only one who can jump over 40 inches in the league besides dominque. Making the playoffs was easier since there were only 11 teams in the east and 8 teams got in. Illegal defense made it easier. And finally how can you talk about packing stats when Jordan played 6 years in the fastest pace decade. So you Metal Steve don’t even know much basketball if your conclusion is “well it was more physical” because that didn’t stop that decade from being the highest pace.
LOLOL Lebron is having a bad month and since "The Last Dance" Lebron has gotten Beaten DOWN BADLY lol that 3-6 is heavy bro but seriously paul pierce has never liked lebron so this don't surprise one bit lol Lebrawn James c'mon bro
Once I actually watched and heard LeBron proclaim himself as the GOAT, I stopped being a fan of his. It was so disappointed in his display of arrogance. I will always enjoy his game but I don't actively root for him anymore.
Pierce has a good point. Looking at the individuals he brought up, they all have better personal accolades than LeBron, and better team accomplishments. Add to the fact that Bron has a 33% winning record in the Finals with ALL of the help he has recruited for his team...
Rob does make a solid argument..LeBron would have gotten more respect if he stayed at cleveland..but in LeBron's defense..where are the players nowadays that stay loyal to the franchise they began their NBA career?..however: losing 66% of the finals you got into certainly won't help your case of being the GOAT!!
No, LeBron stayed with Cleveland for 9 years. During that time period, the Gm never put an All-Star around around him and still managed his way to the finals by himself at 22.. He had every right to leave.
@@johndough5381 a right to leave of course nobody had a problem with that. How he left with the "decision" and conspiring with Wade and Bosh for a superteam is where the respect was lost for many. And Bosh wasn't even the real choice at first, it was Melo but Melo signed that huge contract in NY so Bosh was the backup plan. The hilarious thing is the same folks defending that, are destroying KD for doing pretty much the same thing, it's only worse cause he actually lost to GS but it was the same thing. Just worse cause KD joined the team that beat him.
I mean pierce has a good point though. Lebron finished #1 Scoring when retired but only got 3 rings is pretty trash. What pierce is saying is that the Legends has built an empire in the city and has won multiple rings there is a big difference.
1st: he’s still playing. Could still win another title yet. Currently the 1 seed in the west. 2nd: LeBron gave the franchise that drafted him - the Cleveland Cavaliers - 7 years to put a competent team around him. They failed to do so. Was there a Scottie Pippen on the Cavaliers in 2010? Where was the all-star sidekick on the 2010 Cavaliers that LeBron knew he could rely on like Jordan did with Pippen? Better yet- how many of LeBrons team mates on the 2010 cavaliers were still in the league by the time he came back in 2014? It’s ridiculous to expect LeBron to waste his entire career playing with Mo Williams and Anderson Varejao. No sane basketball superstar would stay with that train wreck. I wish Kevin Garnett had left Minnesota sooner, look how he wasted his prime with a garbage franchise. Same thing would have happened to LeBron. I’m glad he got out of there and didn’t have to waste his entire career on that team.
Top 15 (as it stands) 1.MJ 2.Kobe 3.Wilt Chamberlain 4.Bill Russell 5.Kareem Abdul Jabaar 6.Magic Johnson 7.Larry Bird 8.Tim Duncan 9.KD 10. Lebron James 11. Hakeem Olujawon 12. Shaq 13. Kawhi 14. Oscar Roberston 15. Issiah Thomas
@@pauljansen1137 Closest thing to MJ with more scoring range - Dominated great teams like the spurs where LBJ struggled/lost - beat the Big three celtics with Pau gasol who ain't on Dirk's level - can list so much more
He could've had paul George and Eric Bledsoe when kyrie decided he wanted out. Gilbert wouldn't do it without a long term deal from bron. Its not all Gilbert's fault lebron s made some mistakes too.
@@danielclark6912 fatcs. Lebron would go to teams, drain all their assets to build a super team and when he's done he's gonna hop to another team in free agency, then the team goes into the lottery. Gilbert was just not having any of that without a commitment from Lebron.
Lebron has more finals MVPs than Kobe tho. Lebron has never been in a position where he wasnt the best player. Shaq's 4th ring is courtesy of D Wade. Counting rings with 0 context is quite juvenile.
If MJ and LeBron played in the same era and the media was debating who was the goat, MJ would be trying to destroy LeBron on the court to prove he's the greatest and LeBron would be recruiting Mike in the offseason to try and form a super team.
I get why Pierce would leave him out. He competed against him and beat him. Watched him fold, so he don’t have the same reverence for him like maybe the Raptors or the teams in the East as of late
He watched him fold when he had 3 other all stars and LeBron had Big Z and some shooters lol. Pierce knows how great and clutch LeBron is it’s just personal for him
The deck has always been stacked against Lebron before he went to Miami bad drafting, no free agents wanted to be in Cleveland ,players that was good left Cleveland Like Carlos boozer. Lebron on your team never in the lottery no matter how bad the team is. Going against powerhouse like Pistons: Coach Larry Brown,Rasheed Wallace , Ben Wallace, Rip Hamilton,Chauncey Billups, Celtics: Coach Doc Rivers ,Paul Pierce,KG, Ray Allen ,Rondo, Perkins , Tony, Allen, James Posey, Eddie House, Leone Powe, Sam Cassel, Pj Brown,
Pierce vs lebron 35-34 pierce in meetings against him pierce bust bron in the playoffs n vise versa and on this cupcake league after kg pierce n allen left bron only been playing with kids literally think about it everyone in the east was a damn kid hell howard was the only one on the east n it showed by Orlando goin to finals lebron hasnt really been dominant at all tbh get to the west nun get a.d uh oh lebron back smh n imma laker fan dude i swear he's good but the talent he had to face was garbage mediocre at best.drose got injured i believe he would've challenged with the bulls pg was young n a 8 pt scorer a game b4 Indy got stephenson in them wade literally 4 maybe 5caliber superstars he faced yea he should've went to alot. Kobe had blazers spurs mavs denver rockets with yao Francis them boys ion mean no harm its just not even close to the talent level faced that's why bron not in alotta ppl top 5
How can he be in the debate for the goat with more losses than wins ? That is such a soft and weak mentality ! No wonder why all those players are not winning and just making stats
Its MJ KOBE SHAQ THEN LBJ. My argument is that the first three I mentioned could will their teams to a win or purely bully you down. LBJ needs a team of stars to reach that level because he's not purely gonna be on points coming from him. His teammates aren't scared to blow a play they are scared to get traded.
This recent documentary just further proves why Magic is the real 🐐 despite his recent humility .Lets see a nine part series on SHOWTIME !! Let Jack narrate ! Oh yeah one thing I forgot if you factor in ABA LBJ is behind Dr J all time .
Leaving to create a superteam with Bosh and Wade dose hurt Lebron on the list. Also, he should have at least got a 3-peat with that team, really bad lost to Mavs, great win over thunder, just, only just, win over spurs than next season, when going for a 3-peat same spurs beat heat by a record margin, absolutely destroyed them. Heat underachieved. Bird should be in top 5 ahead of LJ.
You know the issue here? People are ultimately salty that a player takes his career into his own hand instead of waiting for a bad front office to do their job. After 7 years of not getting a good draft pick, or a decent trade, or a good free agent, he decided to do his own thing and create his own team. We all forget Abdul Jabbar left the Sixers to go to Lakers. Wilt left warriors to go to the Lakers to join Jerry West. Also, every single other player on this list had a super team at some point that their front office built. Kobe had Dwight Howard, Nash, Chris Paul at some point, Shaq at his peak at another. Gasol, Odom, Bynum at another Russell had 8 hall of famers on his teams along the year. Jordan had Pippen and Rodman(2 time champion already at that time. Magic had Worthy and Abdul Jabbar Bird had Parish and Mchale Even Paul Pierce had Garnett (former MVP) and Ray Allen (Perennial All Star) Lebron just had shitty front offices, wanted to control his life, and decided to do things his own way. And we criticize him for that.
1. Michael Jordan 2. Kareem Abdul Jabbar 3. Magic Johnson 4. LeBron James 5. Wilt Chamberlain 6. Kobe Bryant 7. Tim Duncan 8. Shaquille O'Neal 9. Larry Bird 10. Hakeem Olajuwon
Iconic moment lebron falls and passes the ball gives to kyrie, lebron gets up runs toward the rim kyrie throws an oop to Lebron he catches with One hand and dunks it. 2016 finals that's Iconic.
Rob best joke ever LEBRON STATUE with the suitcase 🧳 n plane ticket 🎫 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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He had one a while ago that killed me. They had to switch topics or something, so Chris said "ok, you're gonna have to let it breathe" then Rob jumped in and said "I've said that a few times at Magic City." Lol my man had me in stitches
Lol. Bron failed and bailed too many times. He talks a lot about wanting to be the GOAT. He'll do anything to avoid adversity and pad his stats. MJ never said he was trying to be the GOAT. MJ's focus was on winning titles for the team/city that drafted him. LeBron plays for stats, MJ played for winning. Playing to win is always going to come out on top.
LMAO😂😂🤣 THAT'S FUNNY!!
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Yall need to stop sleeping on Tim Duncan. Dont make me bring the stats and accomplishments up.
His style of play and personality just wasn't attractive to most people kind of boring 🤷🏽♂️
With the greatest coach, I bet his development was real hard
Tim development came from staying all 4yrs in college, he came into the league ready, something more players need to learn.
Tim Duncan numbers are better than Kobe, Kareem, Hakeem Olajuwon, bill Russell, Larry bird and way better than magic Johnson.
Tim Duncan:
First in block
First in double double
3 in rebounds
One of 6 players to score 5,000 points in playoffs history
19 in assists
20 in steal.
5-1
Better percent in winning
i have him at 6
I’m just hear to see how they going disrespect Kobe today.. 🤦🏿♂️..
Man getting crazy
Yeah me too. RIP MAMBA KING GOD.. I been saying this for over a year now. If most consider MJ the best and Kobe is just like him. Then Kobe gotta be number 2. But Russell, Kareem, magic, Duncan and Shaq got my vote
bosslee35 nah
He’s top 10. I used to have him at 11 or 12 before he retired but he’s at 10 or 9 for me now with his career in the history books. That’s an amazing achievement. He’s among the best 10 to ever do it out of thousands of players to ever play in the NBA. I don’t see the shame on that
Kobe was great but he's simply not in the goat conversation for total career, maybe just comparing primes but first 3seasons wasn't a top 10 player last 4 seasons was hurt. And even though Lakers were very 2 man dominant and Kobes greatness was absolutely needed but Shaq was the man, and by a wide margin the first title when he averaged 38pts and 16rebounds in the finals and Kobe was 15pts on 36% and that was 4years in.
Who started comparing lebron to jordan anyways? U guys lol
CaRL DJuSTIceD lmao that was funny
Self proclaimed and self promoted as the chosen one and goat, which he is clearly not even closed.
TheDiaryOfAnOxymoron you get it. It got people to tune in. They’re using Bron and I think he knows it now after he sees his previously allied media all bow down to Jordan now.
..and since they know L3-6ron won't ever catch Mike in championships, they go straight to his "stats". Pathetic.
I agree people...whenever they talk about MJ or Bron theyre ratings on the show go up so its underatandable lol
I love how they're talking and not yelling at each other and it's more acceptable to my ears. Thanks Rob and Chris
Yeah cuz they’re agreeing this time lol
Wilt is top 5 still hold records in the NBA but always get left out smh
TUNEZSUN 2 I agree and Russell also 11 championships but nobody has them in top 5 Amazing.I think Kareem,Russell,Chamberlain in any order would be top 3 alltime
@@donniepate7313 I have those in my top 3 for sure
@@donniepate7313 Guys I'm sorry but you can't really take accomplishments of wilt and Russel with same weight as other players. They played with as low as 8 teams in the league, and in later years few season with what, 14 teams... And with that many teams he won 2 championships as freak of nature that had insane advantage over every single player in that era. And Russell was on only stacked team inside whole league (and with only few teams in it as well) so no big surprise in 11 championships
Kareem has 6 rings and for sure you can put him in top players of all times, but for his last two rings he was sort of being carried, he did like 6 rebounds and 15 points so still not in GOAT conversation imo but he is very close up there.
I always laugh when I see someone read how many points and rebounds Wilt scored and just went with GOAT notion without context. Who knows how many players would average that many or more if they were put in that era. I believe Shaq would do even better yet he is never in conversation for top 3 players.
Its not all in the stat line boys
preach i would say he is the goat if he cared enough about rings he would have 13
Aye man i witnessed kobe drop 81 lmao
"...suitcase and plane ticket," AWESOME
Do kobe's 3 with shaq count
@Fletcher Franklin not in the first 1 ...15 ppg
@Fletcher Franklin nope 15 look it up
All these players have played for 3 teams. Bron KD Kawhi Harden Kyrie Westbrook
Rob killed me about the statue thing lol
Notice how all the former scrub players and with most of the media that never hooped think lebron is a GOAT but top tier talent have kobe over lebron, lol
Jealousy......its a very ugly thing
Street ballers who grew up watching Kobe in his *prime* know he's better than LeBron.
Oscar Robertson said LeBron was right there with Michael Jordan...so it's not just scrubs!!
Mackaveli Millz he would say that because they have very similar playing styles ( the all around athletic point forward)
@@mackavelimillz it dont matter what you say lol, they rebuttal with something that makes no sense like "they play the same" so of course he thinks he is
LeBron put more pressure on himself when he got to Miami and said "Not 5, not 6, not 7.." Before that, he took a bad Cleveland team to the finals against San Antonio when he was young.
At the time he made his prediction, Bird had 3 rings, Shaq had 4, Kobe and Magic had 5 apiece, Kareem and Jordan with 6 apiece and Bill Russell with 11.
When it became obvious that LeBron wouldn't catch Jordan, then people started talking about his stats besides championships.
I can't ignore 6 losses in the finals if he only has 3 victories. Magic has 4 losses in the finals, but he won five times, so why bring it up? I never hear the excuse that it's good enough to get there for any other athlete except LeBron and Peyton Manning.
Peyton Manning kept failing in the postseason, people got around it by saying he was the "Greatest Regular Season Quarterback." When he got his second ring, they stopped
Gotta disagree here, he was only favored in 2 of his finals because he never had the better all round team. Except Dallas and OKC, I can't excuse Dallas and that was and is the biggest blemish on his resume. But he never had healthy running mates in their prime in the NBA Finals. They were either always injured or unreliable, he has shown up in basically every finals except for Dallas. Fundamentally, for 95% of his career he has beaten who he should have beaten with the resources he had at the time. Once again except for Dallas. That's all anyone can ask from him.
@@shaamirhaneef LeBron has the worst luck of any superstar in the history of sports. Any time you talk to any of his fans there is always an excuse to why he lost.
@AK Tatiracanal I agree!
@@shaamirhaneef his team was favored in 6 of those 9 finals appearances. Remember LeBron was the king of building superteams
Tony Ruby that’s a lie
Bruh...the league went crazy when the Lakers got Pau who avg 20ppg TWICE in his career
Lebron's THIRD OPTION avg 24ppg (Bosh) and 25ppg (Love) avg 4-5ppg MORE than Kobes SECOND OPTION the year before they joined the team
Any time someone starts talking about MJ and LBJ, I ask when LBJ got past Kobe...
That dude! That happens when Love always injured and Bosh was playing like a bench player some of those finals runs
The league because the Lakers got Pau Gasol by trading KWAME BROWN,. Kobe himself called the trade highway robbery.
Pau also dragged Memphis kicking and screaming into the playoffs 3x in the West, something Love couldn't do and Bosh only did twice in a weak Eastern Conference
And lets not act like the league just shrugged when Lebron went to Miami. For the 4 years he was there he was the most hated player in the NBA
@@xaviervega468 STOP! THEY HAD Tony Allen, Mike Miller, Jason Williams, James Posey. Shane Battier, and Rudy Gay. 5 champions. Solid team
@@xaviervega468 Lol my question is what was Pau's playoff record before joining Kobe....wasnt he like 0-12??Just curious
So now y’all tellin me winning isn’t important anymore?
So the guys who has more rings aren’t considered good anymore? You guys are crazy as AF‼️
kobpc1 That’s the position they HAVE to take to put LeBron in the discussion
Bill Russell won 11 rings in a league with ten teams... come on bruh.
Vagabond_Charlie yeah but you gotta admit he’s at least top 3 all time
I agree Jordan’s better
Dirk is 1-1 over a 20 year period. Does this 500 finals score rank him over Bron? Why not he is an iconinc player,signature move face of franchise. lol im joking but thats how yall sound. Mj the goat b4 my fellow olds start crying
If you struggle thinking of an iconic moment, it might not be an iconic moment 😆
that block is the most iconic play in finals history
@@WavyC Jordan’s final shot, Magic’s baby hook, Ray saving his legacy. Just off the top of my head.
@@jeffsamuels2539 The block is definitely an iconic moment
Suitcase and a plane ticket 🤣😂🤣😂
Thank you it’s about winning !!! Magic went to 9 finals in 12 years. That’s 75 % of his career. No one ever talks about how many times he went there. They talk about the 5 he won !!! These lebron fans have twisted all this up. They make the dumbest arguments & standards...
David0426 You are correct, but he played with Kareem, Worthy, McAdoo, and Mychal Thompson who were all #1 picks.
VINCENT your statement is deceiving. Magic won 2 championships before Worthy was there. Kareem was pretty much washed up with the last 2 Magic won and Thompson never player with McAdoo. LeBron played with Bosh, Wade, Love, Irving, Ray Allen, Shaq and Davis which will all probably be in the Hall of Fame. But see my post can be deceiving too.
@@donaldbrady3850 Lies!! Kareem won League MVP in 1979.... That's far from Washed! That same Lakers team also had HOF SF Jamaal Wilkes before Magic got there. Y'all say anything. Magic joined a team with a 6 Time League MVP but that don't count for nothing cause y'all have a false narrative that he was washed
They also never talk about the 4 he loss so keep the same energy.
VINCENT not refuting that he played with great players. Only stating the basketball community speaks about his 5 rings, not his appearances there
Lebum been swept in the finals multiple times and wet the bed against the Mavs who had 1-all-star on their team. That's pretty pathetic if you call yourself the best player to ever walk the face of the earth.
So Jordan has never been swept? Magic never lost in the finals when he was the overwhelming favorite? Like y’all are bias as hell. If you don’t like the guy just say so.
Swept in the FINALS multi times?🤔🤔🤔name them...
@@Nojoke4sure an L is an L right? So no other superstars lost in the finals?
@@Nojoke4sure 2007 by the Spurs and 2018 by the Warriors.
Rob Parker You move around a lot I met you in Detriot you left for a better Job
Listening to Chris stammer trying to find one iconic play by LBJ is hilarious
The block!!!!!
@@dparks2856 the go to move.
Why is this shocking? Lebron doesn’t HAVE to be in everyone’s all time top five. He’s not in mine either.
Not everyone is a millennial that has been brainwashed by sports media.
Here is the thing I noticed about Lebron. For someone that some people claim to be the “goat” he sure does have a lot of excuse makers for him.
GOATs aren’t 3-6 in the finals. GOATs don’t (constantly) jump ship once the going gets rough. GOATs don’t choke in the finals and get ran off his own court by Dirk Nowitzki.
That doesn’t place him outside of the top 5 though
Jordan Brown if he’s in your top five, then that’s cool. He’s not in mine.
Anthony Broaddus Dallas beat Kobe in the western conference semi finals, It’s a dumb argument. I have never seen anyone play better than LeBron did in game 1 of the 2018 NBA finals - the Jr Smith game. Kobe had Shaq, let us be fair, Bird had 3 hall of famers, Magic as well. The Lakers were going to make it to the post season since 2013 and were probably going to make it to the western conference finals led by a 36 year old LeBron. He may not be GOAT but he is an incredible player.
Boitumelo Motsogi did I say he’s not an incredible player? Lol no.
He’s an all time great. No doubt about it. Not in my all time top five.
Don’t take it personal okay? You and Lebron aren’t related.
Also, let’s not pretend those Miami teams that lost to Dirk, then were saved by a last second shot by Ray Allen, then were ran off the court the following year by Duncan and Kawhi were scrubs. They were absolutely loaded.
Dewayne Wade is the third greatest shooting guard of all time (after Jordan and Kobe). Chris Bosh is another Hall Of Famer (who rebounded Lebron’s last second brick in Game Six and had the court presence to pass it to Ray Allen). They also had great role players.
So yeah, cut it out and stop getting in your emotions.
If he never left Cleveland and had the same finals record he looks better
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Nope nobody give af bout Cleveland, probably y he left
There is still accomplishment in defeat, going to the finals 8 straight times on 2 different teams says something about the greatness of the player and each time we know he was a key factor in those teams success. The same way I don't take from the great players in any sport who didn't win any chips, my opinion
As a hater I would agree
Art Blakey naw, I still think nba put him in there mostly cause of them scared nobody will watch finals if he’s not there
How can you have an iconic moment when you are not clutch🤣🤣🤣😂😂🤣
I feel where Paul is coming from but I think us old heads just 👀 things with a different lens
That dude! No hate none but facts out ya mouth
That dude! “Helicopter ride to the top” he played on the Cleveland Cavaliers for the first 7 years of his career. When he left, his best teammate was Mo Williams. How on earth is that a helicopter ride to the top. He didn’t have the privilege of his organisation drafting a hall of famer to play with him (Pippen). He didn’t have the privilege of being drafted to the best organisation in the sport with McHale and Parish arriving soon after (Bird). He didn’t get the privilege of being drafted to the LA Lakers, with a prime Shaquille O’Neal / Kareem already on his team (Kobe and Magic). LeBron’s start to his career is worlds apart from those I mentioned above, he had to leave to have a chance at success. LeBron’s stats have given him 3 titles and 9 finals appearances. Westbrook’s has given him 1 finals appearance. That’s the difference. LeBron’s stats lead to wins, he’s not hunting triple doubles at the expense of his team like Westbrook has been prone to do on occasion.
Yancy Richards again, you haven’t addressed the first 7 years of his career. He made a super team himself, how was that laid out for him? He took his career into his own hands, make no mistake about it.
If you think NONE of Paul's opinion is biased, I think you are missing it. Those two hate each other
I'm sorry but if anyone had a helicopter ride it would be magic n Kobe. Magic would have went back to college had the bulls won the lottery. Instead he goes to the Lakers with Kareem waiting with the great organization that is the Lakers and the big beautiful city of LA. In a weak Western conference thru out the 80s only the Lakers n the rockets represented west in that whole decade. Played with Wilkes worthy McAdoo Scott just to name a few. It's no secret that magic to Lakers bird to Boston was setup to help the NBA eat off that rivalry and help NBA for ratings. Now what bout Kobe. Kobe gets traded to the Lakers on draft day paired with a soon to be prime Shaq. Coached by phil coming off 6 titles in 8 years. Win three titles get the big head shoot away a title against the Pistons got Phil and Shaq outta town. Miss the playoffs in his prime get Phil back acquired pay gasol for pennies on dollars. Go the three finals win two. Get swept as two time defending champs(never hear that brought up). Lose Phil tear Achilles take 40 mill get farewell tour. With all that being said I respect both guys games and believe their both top ten all time greats
Leading the league is meaningless without the rings to back it up when it comes to being the GOAT.
Good job with the smooth brain analysis. Know that you have the same conclusion as a 2nd grader. With that logic let’s draft only the winners from the NCAA, you would be fired as a nba and nfl scout if your analysis is just draft the winner.
@@mikeslemonade you'd be fired from any job for this nonsense analogy.
So Bill Russell is the GOAT if you go by championships
N this is why Wilt isnt talked about...same logic we should be using now
norm hill bill is the only other person in the goat debate so ur not doing a disservice saying that
I’m more surprised Rob has Lebron as number 2 than I am about Paul Pierce’s comments 🤣
Bro he 💩 on bron but he’s second?! Make it make sense. I try not to speak down on anybody on my top 10
No goat in any sport would get swept away in the finals ( broom style) TWICE! And All LeBron rings he didn't win the game in the end. He missed a 3 and was bailed out by Jesus shuttlesworth Ray Allen! Lets not speak on Mr. Irving hitting the last 7 points to seal the title. Not LeBron James.
Heat1up exactly
My list:
Michael Jordan
Kareem Abdul Jabbar
Kobe Bryant
Magic Johnson
Larry Bird
Bill Russell
Wilt Chamberlain
Isiah Thomas
Hakeem Olajuwon
Oscar Robertson
Paul not even top 5 at his own position 🥴😂🥱🤦🏿♂️
Right!
Paul Pierce was nice though don’t get it twisted.
I don't think he said he was though 😂🤣🤣
🤔🤔🤔 I'm not quite sure about that. After Bird Bron and Durant. Pierce might of been better than DR J and Dominique
@@smoove2432 what!!!! How old are you????
paul is right?pauls 5 is amazing,all those guys led like generals,with no flaws in their game,never backs down never quit and led their teams to multiple championships lebron always crying quiting and backing down 17 years with all types of super teams and only wining 3,he is not top 5
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He doesn’t jump over Duncan, Kobe, Magic, Bird for me 🤷🏾♂️
Aaron Aiysen Lebron definitely better than Bird
Shiiid LeBron better than all of them, more athletic and better scorer than Magic, Bird and Duncan, better passer than Kobe, Bird and Duncan
Lebron is definitely better than all those guys you named. The only player I’m willing to put ahead of Lebron is Jordan and possibly Kareem.
Lebron is not better then kobe or Duncan, yall better go look at Duncan's numbers. And kobe and Tim are superior defensive players over James.
It's amazing how he is overrated.
Chris turning into Shannon Sharpe!
Not sucking Jordan off and being honest?
LEBRON HAS BEEN GREAT FROM DAY ONE! DRAFTED STRAIGHT OUT OF H.S., AKRON,OH, NOT STRAIGHT OUT OF COMPTON! GET IT, PAUL 'THE LIE' PIERCE?! TAKE THAT
@@geraldowens7747 you right, he's been great but not top 5 all time great. No disrespect but it's the truth lol
@@geraldowens7747 why you typing all caps like a troll? No one gonna take you seriously.
@@ballhogelite UK it
Jordan. Magic. Bird. Kareem. Kobe. Duncan. Shaq. He’s not in my top 5 either. I don’t see what the big deal is 🤷🏽♂️
I think it’s fair for paul to hold it against Lebron, Imagine if other greats did that, they’d have more rings!
edit: Also the head to head matchup between Lebron and pierce is 66-65 in favor of Lebron. So he’s beat Lebron the most out of anyone.
Yo Aris I agree. He’s top 10 but I always ask people this...name a player in another sport in the history of this world where that player has a losing championship record and be considered greatest of all time. And that’s just 1 reason.
he has more accolades than bird. Kobe and Duncan only have lebron in chips and defensive teams. Lebron has more of everything except chips and he is tied in finals mvps. Kareem is better but barely, Magic is debatable, Jordan is the greatest American athlete to have ever lived
Kobe isnt top 10 or top 15
Walk on home boy go back to school
@@franknice187 if Kobe drops LeBron drops for the same logic.
I can't even imagine Jordan, Kobe, Duncan, or Shaq with SIX FINALS LOSSES!
Jerry West and Elgin Baylor stats can go H2H against ANYONE. ARE THEY TOP 5?! 🤔
Nope
They aren’t better than LeBron though
@@kidking___________________7554 not even comparable, these guys act like Lebron isn't as good as he is
imagine critiquing a top 5 player ever when you can't even make varsity
@@kidking___________________7554 I never said they were, but statistically they were the best players of their eras! How many finals did Elgin and Jerry West get to?!
Learn the history of the game!!
Boris Diaw shutting LeBron down pissed me off. I can’t ever remember a time being so pissed off about a game Lmao that’s when I stopped believing in LeBron
Itsyaboy Bruce Bowen and JJ barerra shut him down too
D. Stevenson, Jason Terry, Kawaii Leonard, Iggy, Pietrus lmaoo
jaydexe I would love to hear how we’re delusional sir. Seems like my brain isn’t connecting the dots.
He’s talking about the Dallas series when lebron laid down and Stevenson, and jj were his main defenders
Lol cut it out . Lebron dropped 30 on all of em
They have no reason on why they think Lebron is number 2 all time. Robs reason was "he could be number 1 all time in scoring". He's not right now so why have him number 2 right now.
I said the same thing. Doesn't make any sense. People only rank him so high becasue of total stats. There are others with the same career averages and others with the same amount of accolades and others with more championships. He should be around 5 or 6. People act like it's disrespectful to say that.
Its the full body of work .. the ability, the eye test, combined with stats and accomplishments
@@lord4806 don't waste your time. If they are not intelligent enough to compute so simple, let it be.
TheUndefeatedOfTheEast full body of work it’s not just about what you’ve done in your prime is about your career he might be a underachiever when it comes to championships but the player itself he’s top 3 all time 17+ plus years and still being a top 3 player in the league is unheard of in any sport
Niclas Ränkel greatness means accomplishments. It has nothing to do with ability and eye test. Lebron does not have top 5 accomplishments in the NBA all time. Other players have done more with less in less time.
Broussard is acting like Lebron could've had a Finals streak with Mo Williams - he COULDN'T make it with Mo and didn't start his streak until he formed the super-team.. he formed a super-team in a conference that weak teams were rountinely winning (09' Dwight, 07' Lebron, 03' Kidd, 01' AI)
The Celtics formed a super team
They're not ready for those facts!!
@@cbmattzilla yes, and they were at least 30 years old! Their best years were clearly behind them!
Sure, they could've put on great numbers on TERRIBLE teams, but NEITHER of their teams were winning prior to Ray and KG getting shipped to Boston!
@@atlien1988 30 years isn't old
The same weak conference Jordan won in
At the end of the day, Lebron beat Paul on the road to his first chip and Boston traded P to Brooklyn 😂. And miss me with the super team. You had a great front office that got you KG and Ray Allen, stop it.
With a free agent super team lol ran to Daddy Wade 😂
Where was that great front office all those years he was losing 😂 he was lucky to get a legit run at the end of his career. Paul could’ve easily went down as a great player who never won a ring.... & remember he sent lebron packing to Miami to join 2 franchise players in their primes. Let’s not forget that
@@MR.__G gave him a suitcase and a plane ticket...
Buck why are you talking like Shannon....get ur own material
People act like the players work the front office. It was Jordans and Kobe front office that built those teams. Not Jordan and Kobe.
I agree with Pierce and he made a good point. He’s entitled to his professional opinion. Pierce was a rival of Kobe as well but he still has him in his top 5.
what your saying is "the only authentic teams are the ones made by white guys" yall need to get off that mentality.
Players don’t build organizations, ask Tracy McGrady and Kevin Garnett . Organizations put teams together and Paul pierce himself should know that. His organization brought him help not him
Right,his reasoning is better than when Lebron fans bring up what Lebron does off the court. I actually think its a new way we could debate goats.
Kobe like Mj had no weakness. If you can't hit free throws you NOT the 🐐 👑...
Kobe hit 2 with torn Achilles. 🐐Status
Not over MJ though
Bro Kobe had a lot of weaknesses just look up the 2006 playoffs with the suns when he quit on his team in game 6 or 7
@@mikeprince2036 he's still More clutch than lebron
@@victor11218 definitely not. Not in anyway.
You can’t be the goat when you weren’t the best player on your team for 3 of your 5 rings. Also can’t be a goat when you blow a 3-1 lead in the first round like Kobe 😂😂😂
Kobe #8 10yrs Top 10
Mamba #24 10yrs Top5
You play to win chips: Finals 5-2
Every player after Mj wanted to be like Mike...only one has accomplished that.
Kobe like Mj had no weakness. If you can't hit free throws you NOT the 🐐 👑...
Kobe hit 2 with torn Achilles. 🐐Status
Stop judging an individual with a team accomplishment.
Stopped taking Paul Pierce seriously when he said his career was better than DWade
This take just reinforces that.
Either way....PP is smokin some serious drugs saying his career was better than D-Wade's
I'm with Rob, There ain't no participation trophies! You either win the whole thing, or you don't!!
Especially when being the best team in the jv conference makes you like the 5th best team in the west
If Lebron stayed in Cleveland and won 0, he would have been like Jim Kelly.
Like Dan Marino.
If Lebron stayed and not win anything he would be who he supposed to be loyal💯
whoody G Ponder - loyal to a clown like Gilbert? Be loyal to your friends and family, not some organization that will trade you in a heartbeat
@Eddy Valenica It's too hard to compare players in different generations. And it's even harder to say who's the GOAT. Everybody has his favorite player as the GOAT.
Lebron is going to be one of the greatest player on and off the court. He showed his peers and the future generations of players at least the superstars how to control their careers.
And they would be clowning him
Paul's list is pretty accurate. I have LeBron #8 all time. MJ, Magic, Wilt, Kareem, Russell, Shaq, and Kobe are better than LeBron.
Russell played against 8 teams and his comp was mainly Lil white dudes so you on meth if you think he’s better than Lebron
Wilt and shaq haven’t accomplished enough Lebron has better stats and more MVPS
Gary Ridgeway I agree with the Bill Russell argument, but even if you half Russell’s ring due to competition and round down it’s still 5 rings plus other accolades, Lebron has 3 and has needed 2 all stars each time to win, sorry not that impressive, I have Lebron 8 on my list aswell
I guess we found skip bayless’s burner RUclips account.
Gary Ridgeway Shaq has 4 rings being the best player on the team each time, I’d pick a prime Shaq over Lebron anyday, Lebron is too busy trying to suck up to other players to try get them to join him
Now imagine if all the other great players got to move around from team to team and hand pick the best players to play with in order to boost their chances to win a title. Then imagine if those players also got to hand pick their role players, and pick guys who perfectly complemented their games. Then they get to trade away guys who either don't fit with the great player or who disagree with how that player does things. I don't mind the comparisons, just as long as the playing field is level.
Lol imagine being an idiot and thinks LeBron picks every player he plays with it
tf you think the bulls,celtics,pistons, lakers did 🤣🤣🤣 gtfoh
@@firstchain_prominence Not sure what that comment has to do with my statement. I'm talking about making historical comparisons of individual players when some got to choose their situations and play GM for most of their careers, while other players had to figure out a way to win with the players they were given by Management. My comment had nothing to do with organizations that draft players and make trades, because all organizations draft players and make trades. But not all players got to play GM. In fact less than 1% of them did.
All great players had great teams..this started with the celtics in the 50's and 60' Bill Russell played with 9 Hall of famers, laker with Wilt Chamberlain, jerry west Elgin baylor, Bird had Parrish McHale Dennis johnson, tiny archibald bill Walton, lakers magic, Kareem, worthy, jamal wilkes, Bob Mcadoo...Hell celtics with pierce, Garnett, rondo, ,ray allen...Teams have always been loaded that won chips
@@dman9958 I would suggest reading my second comment again that is directly above yours, as I don't like repeating myself.
You listed a bunch of great teams that were formed by the front office of great organizations. None of that has anything to do with the point
I'm making about one player hand picking his teammates and playing de facto GM wherever he goes.
And for every great team you can list, I can name you a dozen players who were never so lucky as to have front offices that were competent enough or well connected enough to get the right players around them. Wilt Chamberlain and Oscar Robertson played in an era when
there was no free agency. This meant that they had to stay with the team that drafted them until they were traded. So is it fair to compare
players of the past with players of today who have all the advantages of player movement that certain older players lacked? THAT is my point!
“That as a huge block tho”
Lmao Lebron stan kill me 🤣.
Byrieeeeeeeeeeee
That dude! - because they know they’ll get a ton of clicks from the people who obsessively hate on Bron. I agree it’s perfectly reasonable for PP not to include him.
@That dude! If you don't think Paul pierce is a LeBron/Wade hater then you need to be drugtested. You guys need help lol he's been hating on both of those guys for years go look up his quotes. You guys need to update your information you're not even close with your takes lol
Vagabond_Charlie yeah bro Kobe is so dominant with his one mvp 😂 fck outta here.
Vagabond_Charlie the cavs were a lottery pick team before Lebron and couldn’t make the playoffs after he left so yeah they were basically ymca pick ups😂 few good players but very inconsistent. And as far as your “dominant” players Lebron is the only player close to passing Kareem in points, magic himself doesn’t agree with you he admits bron better, Michael Jordan was 1-9 in the playoffs before pippen, couldn’t beat the pistons until they got old, and got swept twice. Kobe also got swept by the same mavs team that swept Lebron 🤦🏽♂️ your criticisms are forced corny and ignorant
If Lebron won 2 championships in Cleveland it would count more than those championships he got at Miami.
musicluv80 I feel you but he took Cleveland there multiple times so it’s respect ✊🏾
The results of the NBA season matter overall, it’s the quality of how you win championship.
Exactly. Lebrons 2K16 win is more meaningful than his other 2 wins combined.
I would PIN this comment
Ryan Francisco so then 2012 doesn’t mean that much.
@@JKTProductionzIncNCo how meaningful is his 2011 finals choke job? 😂😂😂
@@gagandhaliwal9391 2011 was a choke job by LeBron 100000% but, controversy, I hope nobody forgets how legendary that mavs run was
Rob is out of his mind thinking losing early is better. What a wreck of an ideaology. That just vetos all of his arguments.
He not saying its better his saying losing is losing either in the first round last round middle round you LOST no body enters the seasons and thinks losing in the conference finals or nba Finals is a success the warriora dont see last year as a success you either win or lose nothing in between
From playing sports growing, I'll be honest. Losing early in the playoffs (or not making it) doesn't hurt nearly as much as losing the finals. I'm talking tears for days type of pain.
You don’t get it. Kobe takes more heat for losing to the pistons in 04 than the spurs in 03. Bron was in the jv conference so he kinda had to make the finals to give himself a case. But that doesn’t mean he had the second best team in the nba
Keep it 💯 KD is more skilled than Lebron. Shooting, freethrows, midrange, 3pt, Defense...
Kawhi also better, actually plays great defense as two way player, and doesn't pad stat like lebitch, and has reliable mid range and clutch game.
Defense is a hard one LBJ was one of if not the best defender earlier in his career and KD was lax on defense.. KD picked up his defense on the warriors and LBJ slacked off.. KD is 100% a better shooter however even in the NBA finals were LBJ lost he had a slightly better FG% because he could get to the basket.. LBJ is clearly a better passer and better play maker.. But if your telling me KD and LBJ are both all time greats hell yes they are.. KD and LBJ would rip the 80s and 90s league apart.. KD is a beast..
@@LovingTinha LBJ has made more clutch shots at a higher percentage in the NBA playoffs than MJ... Your just drinking Rob Parker and Skip Bayless koolaid.. They wont accept the reality that LBJ is clearly clutch.. Kawhi is not even close to hitting the clutch shots of LBJ and LBJ was a great two way player at Kawhi's age.. BTW when Kawhi won the MVP for scoring 15 points a game LBJ was scoring 28 ppg at 58% FG and 50% from 3.. Great defense Kawhi..
You must be high on sugar
Yall haters are funny. Ignorant but funny
Pierce is definitetly salty, but when you look at his Top 5, you can make an arguement for every guy there. There are a lot of exceptional basketball players.
Don’t sleep on magic if you love lebron,better fg% ,better rebounding and definitely better passing
apothe6 exactly ! Ppl are acting like he’s putting bums ahead of lebron. You could throw in Hakim, Shaq, Duncan & Bird all in that last. I don’t understand how ppl think lebron clearly surpassed all these great players. If you think lebrons better cool, but let’s not act like we can’t debate these players being better than lebron as well...
@@MR.__G exactly
Why is he salty? Because he thinks Kobe was better than LeBron? Kobe WAS better than LeBron.
Pierce ain’t salty, he’s telling the truth. Bron’s barely holding on to top 10, he might not even be in there
Just tell me the players that Dan Gilbert gave LeBron during the first 7 years. They're talking about franchises that had great GMs, those GMs built those teams up but no ones says anything about that
Man what he brung in plenty of all stars and perfect pieces to fit around LeBron. I believe they were the 1 seed the year they lost to the Magic but sm1 made a horrible decision of leaving JJ Hickson off the playoff roster when he was the only one with the athleticism (besides Bron) to matchup with Dwight. They brung in Larry Hughes, Mo Williams, Ben Wallace, Antawn Jamison, and plenty others throughout the years just for ppl to say they don’t fit with LeBron. So as of now, it seems only superstars fit with him smh. Big Z was also an all star but Bron turns all post players into spotup shooters. He’s essentially the big man on the team and essentially the point guard so there are only a select few who would want to even play with him and if they do they eventually get tired of being discredited by the media. Sometimes I think if Bron was in Kyrie’s spot and hit that shot he woulda still got Finals MVP or if he had James Harden or Westbrook numbers he would win MVP 3 years in a row. Ppl are just biased. As of today with his 3-6 record with an insane amount of help it’s definitely possible he isn’t top if he retired today. But he’s definitely better at basketball than Bill Russell.
The thing is most people still have Lebron viewed unfairly. Him beating the pistons and then getting swept by the spurs should be considered one of the greatest nba feats. Him winning 3 games by himself against the Big 4 Celtics in 2008 should be seen has impressive because those same Celtics won the finals against the Lakers 4-2. Him losing to the Celtics in 6 games in 2010 is impressive, since he won 2 games against the Big 4 by himself. Contrastly Jordan didn’t win a single game against the Celtics in 2 series and moreover he never even deserved to be a playoff team because there were only 11 teams in the east and 8 teams made it. So this just blows my mind how people just tear Lebron up and then praise Jordan for doing less.
Monsta Kakarot look again Big Z was old and was only an All-Star like his rookie year. Ben was old. Hughes, look at what he did on other teams. Mo Williams is a nice player but you need more to beat 4 current all stars in the Celtics and there good bench. Jamison, nice player but look at what he did elsewhere too. None of those guys you listed I would take above Rajon Rondo. In a pickup game I’m taking Lebron first, then KG, Pierce, Rondo, and then Allen before I’m taking any of Lebron’s teammates in 2008 or 2010.
I love LeBron and he is top 3 all-time. His fans think going to the finals 8 times in a row is the same as winning 6 in 8 years lol. Championships isn't everything, but half of Jordan's career was championship wins.
winninng 6 in 8 years? my guy bulls won 6 in 15 years lmao
@@haisai6796 Clearly you didnt get the point so i'll simplify. The bulls won 6 titles in 8 years during MJ's prime. From 1990-1998 was the definition of dominance!
@Having Good Ones Losing in the first round means nothing compared to losing in the finals idiot.
So was Russell and no one puts him at the top of their list. SMH.
Having Good Ones losing in the first round and losing in the finals is both still LOSING at the end of the day. You don’t get credit for making it to the finals and losing you Lebron fans sound so stupid making that argument. The fact is Jordan has 6 rings and 6 finals mvps and he three peated twice. That’s more impressive than anything Lebron has ever done in his career period. It’s a flat out lie that Lebron has beat “much harder” competition i know you have to be young to make a stupid statement like that. The best team he beat was golden state and that was BEFORE they were stacked, the cavaliers had just as much talent as they did in 2016. Not to mention the league had to pull some funny business to get the cavs back in that series but we won’t go down that road. The only stacked teams he faced in the finals were the 17 and 18 warriors and he got blown off the floor both times. Jordan was always the best player in the finals hands down. You can’t say that about Lebron unless your a liar. Jordan never had a finals like Lebron did in 07 when he averaged 22ppg on 36% shooting. Jordan never had a finals where he averaged 17ppg and scored 8 points in a finals game, and got outplayed by two of his teammates. Jordan never had a finals where he got outplayed by an opposing role player like Lebron did against Jason Terry lol smh. Lebron is a great player, i have him top five all time, but his greatness is way overstated sometimes...
Here's the issue, LeBron has fled to a better team every time he's felt his team was in a downward spiral. Boston and Orlando better than Cleveland, flees to Miami. Wade and Bosh start getting old, flee back to Cleveland to get a younger version of Wade and Bosh. With the salary cap maxed out with roles players and an Eastern Conference on the rise he flees to the Lakers KNOWING Anthony Davis is on his way. LeBron and AD threw the 2018-2019 season away because they couldn't get their way. Players like Jordan, Kobe, Dirk, etc stayed with their franchise to go through growing pains, and the ups and downs. LeBron has been smart to bounce around the league how he has, but it makes him look like he's not competitive.
It’s called controlling your own destiny. Owners trade players left and right.
@Having Good Ones stay out of your feelings Nick Wright Jr. He got SWEPT in those Finals and averaged 22 points on 36% shooting, so why does it matter? Also, 2007 had the worst Eastern Conference in modern history. Those Detroit Pistons were garbage compared to Larry Brown's Championship Pistons team, so please save that rebuttal (because I know you were going to go there) for someone that doesn't know what they're talking about. Allen Iverson made it to the Finals with a team of defenders, no second option and no one praises that. At least he stole a game from the Lakers (which were undefeated in the playoffs that year). Btw where did you get Shaq from? I mentioned Dirk, not Shaq and you call me an idiot? Learn to read before you call people names. Kobe did "dEmand" a trade, but that's what ultimately got him Pau Gasol, so why bring that up? Tim Duncan almost went to Orlando, is that relevant? I said LeBron was SMART for how he's managed his career, but he must be scrutinized for it because he's ran away every time the ship started sinking. No man should be above reproach. Stop worshipping athletes.
@@divantirivera5447 you are correct in saying owners trade players all the time. Never said he was wrong. I said it was smart, but that does make him look less competitive because of his timing. Kawhi Leonard won a championship and left the Raptors who had roster to run it back. When Jordan retired the Bulls won 3 Championships. LeBron left teams that were tapped out. That's the difference. He's running away.
I do not miss seeing LeBron James playing basketball it's nothing to miss
Clutch Sports succeeded in brainwashing enough people that winning doesn't matter... They also helped people overlook that lebron's ECF win streak didn't start until he formed a super-team in a conference that weak teams were routinely winning (09' Dwight, 07' Lebron, 01' Iverson, 02-03' Kidd).. his "decision" built a fake resume based on manufactured Finals runs and then claiming "making the Finals is still great" after blowing the title
These misperceptions have allowed the media to shove a fake goat debate down our throats
Facts!!!
I don't understand why his list is causing such a storm. It's a perfectly fine top 5.
Boom coz he lost to LBJ so everyone’s seeing through his salty bullshit
The media loves pushing lebron the be the best that’s why lol They act like the players he put ahead of lbj are bums
It’s his reason why
Because all these little LeBron stans cry foul whenever ppl speak the truth about their hero
Luis Garcia pierce beat him and sent him to Miami. Bron didn’t beat the Celtics til they got old
when i'm playing gears of war, 3 kills and 6 deaths looks pretty bad
LEBRON WENT 9X SO WHAT HE LOST 6X THAT AIN'T GOOD YALL TRYING TO FOOL THE WORLD ITS ABOUT THE W AND L'S
In the LEASTERN CONFERENCE! 😂
I think a high school team got to the eastern conference finals this decade.
So it would have been better if he was knocked out in earlier rounds....
Would you prefer he went 3-0 but got knocked out in the first round every other year? How is that any better?
Now the west I the weakest cuz where ever he go he hurt competition
Bruh the East was cake.....
I don't see why this is a big deal? Paul Pierce isn't my favorite person, but he is 100% correct about Lebron.
LeBron must not be your favorite person either. Lol. Yall crazy
None of them on this list don't have a losing finals record.
@Ivory777 i agree you play to win, period
Olden Polynice KILLED IT!!!
YOU CANT BE IN THE TOP 5 IF ARE UNDER 500 IN THE FINALS LEBRON JAMES LOST 6 NBA FINALS WTF ARE WE TALKING ABOUT!!!??
Did paul lie? Oldin was spitting facts too.
I got Kareem over LeBron
Lebron's not retired ..
He done winning. The super team era is over. That was the only way he won.
LeBron is going to pass Kareem in points and pass Magic in assists and they are both in the top 5. Just keep that in mind when people try and justify leaving LeBron out of the top 5.
@@joshdorrance8821 Longevity stat stuffing King 👑 Can't respect his shortcuts to championships
@Mr. Perfect Argument is invalid.. Gm's are responsible for team building and they dropped the ball on LeBron for practically 10 years by not putting an All-Star around him.. He has every right to leave ..
getting Draymond
Green suspended was a big iconic moment
Jerry West has an iconic moment...that half court shot in the finals to send the teams into overtime...
And they were down 2 the series went to 7. That’s why he was fmvp
He's got a serious beef with LeBron
He always gives LeBron props
Dude. He has Kareem in the top five, which he should. But his argument his hippocritical. Leaving Lebron out for leaving to build is no different than Kareem closing the lakers and drafting Magic and Worthy. The Jordan argument is bad too. Chicago is a large market destination. No one wanted to play in Cleveland, regardless of how pass happy Lebron was. It's a shitty city. The management had 7 years to get help. Drafting was shitty and they were lucky to get Lebron because of the lottery. Paul has sour grapes, plus his team had a big three.
He just speaking the truth
@Aaron9 LeBron is a top 5 player. It's not that difficult to understand.
Aaron9 bro pierce and Lebron have had beef since Lebron was a rookie.
"Woooow... woooow" Chris Brousard and Rob hearing Paul Pierce putting kobe ahead of LeBron...... meanwhile the majority of fans and players (active and retired) feel the same way. 😂😂😂😂😂 THEY LIVE IN THEIR OWN WORLD
Kobe ain’t even close to better than lebron…
He's definitely NOT top 2, we can have a conversation about Top 5 but PP made a point...Is Lebron a Laker? Cavalier? HEAT? Name isn't synonymous with a team, so what did he build?
Kobe is greatest laker all time. Magic is second. Prove me wrong. Kobe is ahead of bron.
Magic played every position in a dominate fashion. Won with different players. Brought NBA games to live broadcast. He was SHOWTIME. As a rookie, took the Lakers to a title, even replacing Kareem as a rookie! Against Darryl "Chocolate Thunder" Dawkins. Took the Lakers to the championship with Vlade Divac and Elden Campbell (lol). Magic was a better passer. He was a better rebounder. He gave up over 12 assist a game while averaging over 19 points a game. Magic could easily have been a better scorer if he wanted to. Mamba defense was way better than magic. Magic saying Kobe is the greatest Laker, is just Magic doing what he had always done.... Pass.
I love Kobe and he is top 5 all time great and LeBron isn't in my top 5, but I would always take Magic over Kobe for my team.
@@greezythumb bruh Kobe would bust Magic’s ass y’all need to stop.
@@jeffsamuels2539 lmao. You got your stance, I got mine.
@@greezythumb I have Kobe too 5 min cause the game is played with 5. If it was played with doubles he’d be top 2 min on my list 😂😂😂 I just wanna heyy the unbeatable squad out there. No way in hell magic could go get 80 or avg 30 for a season bruh. Cmon. Magic is a dawg. What he did as a rookie arguably the most impressive feat in nba history but Kobe I’d we’re making teams and down to magic or Kobe? They both provide elite abilities on offense but only one is elite defensively. That’s why he could shoot his 6-24 in game 7 against those Celtics and still lead the game is scoring also while grabbing 15 boards (think magics a better rebounder as well) and hit artest with the go ahead shot (making the right play, which his haters say he never does, then when he did, they criticize him) haha we are splitting hairs and I love both players. Literally 2 of the top 3 lakers (3rd being Mikan if we’re keeping it a buck haha)
Why is Lebron James rated over wilt chamberlain, when wilt won 2 rings in 13years and Lebron James one won 3 in 17 years and wilts stats are way better??🤷🏿♂️🤷🏿♂️
Rings are team accomplishments.
Why is anyone ranked ahead of Wilt? Wilt is the best scorer...rebounder..and shotblocker of all-time
And wilt holds 85 records that may not be broken
LeBron won his third in his 13th year bro n a city that has no championships n any sports an still building in the best era ever
Wilt played when there were 8 teams. Wilt played against 6 foot 8 centers. Wilt could shoot as many times a game as he wanted. Winning 2 rings when you’re only playing against 7 other teams isn’t good enough for a best of all time discussion. LeBron has won 3 playing against 29 other teams, in an era where NBA players don’t also work another full time job to pay the bills 😂.
lebron is just packing his stats from him being able to play as long as he has , his body hasn't got beat up like the players in the previous eras , he's benefited from playing in a softer league
So Jordan vs coke heads doesn’t give him advantage ok guy
Say that all time. Not his fault, but he’s definitely benefited the most. Players are handicapped on defense & there’s little to no rim protection.
David0426 true it’s not his fault but it’s a fact and has to b considered
The thing is most people still have Lebron viewed unfairly. Him beating the pistons and then getting swept by the spurs should be considered one of the greatest nba feats. Him winning 3 games by himself against the big 4 Celtics in 2008 should be seen has impressive because those same Celtics won the finals against the Lakers 4-2. Him losing to the Celtics in 6 games in 2010 is impressive, since he won 2 games against the Big 4 by himself. Contrastly Jordan didn’t win a single game against the Celtics in 2 series and moreover he never even deserved to be a playoff team because there were only 11 teams in the east and 8 teams made it. So this just blows my mind how people just tear Lebron up and then praise Jordan for doing less.
You act like the advantages are one way. Jordan was like the only one who can jump over 40 inches in the league besides dominque. Making the playoffs was easier since there were only 11 teams in the east and 8 teams got in. Illegal defense made it easier. And finally how can you talk about packing stats when Jordan played 6 years in the fastest pace decade. So you Metal Steve don’t even know much basketball if your conclusion is “well it was more physical” because that didn’t stop that decade from being the highest pace.
LOLOL Lebron is having a bad month and since "The Last Dance" Lebron has gotten Beaten DOWN BADLY lol that 3-6 is heavy bro but seriously paul pierce has never liked lebron so this don't surprise one bit lol
Lebrawn James c'mon bro
wow, 4 "lol" in one paragraph including 2 in all caps.
Once I actually watched and heard LeBron proclaim himself as the GOAT, I stopped being a fan of his. It was so disappointed in his display of arrogance. I will always enjoy his game but I don't actively root for him anymore.
Pierce has a good point. Looking at the individuals he brought up, they all have better personal accolades than LeBron, and better team accomplishments. Add to the fact that Bron has a 33% winning record in the Finals with ALL of the help he has recruited for his team...
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I don’t see why his top 5 is problem he was Lebron first biggest rival
Rob does make a solid argument..LeBron would have gotten more respect if he stayed at cleveland..but in LeBron's defense..where are the players nowadays that stay loyal to the franchise they began their NBA career?..however: losing 66% of the finals you got into certainly won't help your case of being the GOAT!!
No, LeBron stayed with Cleveland for 9 years. During that time period, the Gm never put an All-Star around around him and still managed his way to the finals by himself at 22.. He had every right to leave.
@@johndough5381 a right to leave of course nobody had a problem with that. How he left with the "decision" and conspiring with Wade and Bosh for a superteam is where the respect was lost for many. And Bosh wasn't even the real choice at first, it was Melo but Melo signed that huge contract in NY so Bosh was the backup plan.
The hilarious thing is the same folks defending that, are destroying KD for doing pretty much the same thing, it's only worse cause he actually lost to GS but it was the same thing. Just worse cause KD joined the team that beat him.
@@trowabarton321 agreed!!
I mean pierce has a good point though. Lebron finished #1 Scoring when retired but only got 3 rings is pretty trash.
What pierce is saying is that the Legends has built an empire in the city and has won multiple rings there is a big difference.
Multiple is two he has 3
Bird got 3 rings too wym? Isiah got 2. Y’all sweating having 3 rings is something bad
Malone the second leading all time and no rings...def not trash...smh
lol how is 3 rings trash? That's what Bird has. Is he trash as well?
1st: he’s still playing. Could still win another title yet. Currently the 1 seed in the west.
2nd: LeBron gave the franchise that drafted him - the Cleveland Cavaliers - 7 years to put a competent team around him. They failed to do so. Was there a Scottie Pippen on the Cavaliers in 2010? Where was the all-star sidekick on the 2010 Cavaliers that LeBron knew he could rely on like Jordan did with Pippen? Better yet- how many of LeBrons team mates on the 2010 cavaliers were still in the league by the time he came back in 2014? It’s ridiculous to expect LeBron to waste his entire career playing with Mo Williams and Anderson Varejao. No sane basketball superstar would stay with that train wreck. I wish Kevin Garnett had left Minnesota sooner, look how he wasted his prime with a garbage franchise. Same thing would have happened to LeBron. I’m glad he got out of there and didn’t have to waste his entire career on that team.
Top 15 (as it stands)
1.MJ
2.Kobe
3.Wilt Chamberlain
4.Bill Russell
5.Kareem Abdul Jabaar
6.Magic Johnson
7.Larry Bird
8.Tim Duncan
9.KD
10. Lebron James
11. Hakeem Olujawon
12. Shaq
13. Kawhi
14. Oscar Roberston
15. Issiah Thomas
Kobe at 2? love the guy but that is insane!
Paul Jansen agreed Kobe can be 6 or 7
@@Maja-hs5pd 5 till 10 yes..agreed!
@@pauljansen1137 Closest thing to MJ with more scoring range - Dominated great teams like the spurs where LBJ struggled/lost - beat the Big three celtics with Pau gasol who ain't on Dirk's level - can list so much more
@Chow Legend He had a Oscar robertson and Magic for all his chips. Plus he lost four times in the finals
LaBaby is morning my Top 5 lost either. I know lots of people that agree with this.
How can u be top 5 with 6 FINALS LOSSES and was swept 🧹 twice 🤔🤔
No way he wins 3 chips on Cleveland with any help especially with the owner reluctant to get him help
Hell he had to twist Gilbert's arm with one year deals to get any help the second time
That’s what I’m saying why are ppl forgetting that lady
He could've had paul George and Eric Bledsoe when kyrie decided he wanted out. Gilbert wouldn't do it without a long term deal from bron. Its not all Gilbert's fault lebron s made some mistakes too.
@@danielclark6912 fatcs. Lebron would go to teams, drain all their assets to build a super team and when he's done he's gonna hop to another team in free agency, then the team goes into the lottery. Gilbert was just not having any of that without a commitment from Lebron.
what are y'all talking about? the Cavs traded their whole roster sometimes to please Lebron.
That math don't work out. Losing 6 finals... when Kobe (5) and Shaq (4) wins with a 3 peat. LeBron has alot more to win before he there.
Shaq didn't win 5
@@ejr87r right he had 4 still more than LeBron .
Lebron has more finals MVPs than Kobe tho. Lebron has never been in a position where he wasnt the best player. Shaq's 4th ring is courtesy of D Wade. Counting rings with 0 context is quite juvenile.
@@lebronisgoat623g7 could've sworn Wade was on the team when Lebron was getting outplayed by 33yo Jason Terry.
@@lebronisgoat623g7 you might actually want to think your comment through a little bit more...
If MJ and LeBron played in the same era and the media was debating who was the goat, MJ would be trying to destroy LeBron on the court to prove he's the greatest and LeBron would be recruiting Mike in the offseason to try and form a super team.
Facts!
I get why Pierce would leave him out. He competed against him and beat him. Watched him fold, so he don’t have the same reverence for him like maybe the Raptors or the teams in the East as of late
He watched him fold when he had 3 other all stars and LeBron had Big Z and some shooters lol. Pierce knows how great and clutch LeBron is it’s just personal for him
Watch him fold? 🤦♂️
The deck has always been stacked against Lebron before he went to Miami bad drafting, no free agents wanted to be in Cleveland ,players that was good left Cleveland Like Carlos boozer. Lebron on your team never in the lottery no matter how bad the team is. Going against powerhouse like Pistons: Coach Larry Brown,Rasheed Wallace , Ben Wallace, Rip Hamilton,Chauncey Billups, Celtics: Coach Doc Rivers ,Paul Pierce,KG, Ray Allen ,Rondo, Perkins , Tony, Allen, James Posey, Eddie House, Leone Powe, Sam Cassel, Pj Brown,
Pierce vs lebron 35-34 pierce in meetings against him pierce bust bron in the playoffs n vise versa and on this cupcake league after kg pierce n allen left bron only been playing with kids literally think about it everyone in the east was a damn kid hell howard was the only one on the east n it showed by Orlando goin to finals lebron hasnt really been dominant at all tbh get to the west nun get a.d uh oh lebron back smh n imma laker fan dude i swear he's good but the talent he had to face was garbage mediocre at best.drose got injured i believe he would've challenged with the bulls pg was young n a 8 pt scorer a game b4 Indy got stephenson in them wade literally 4 maybe 5caliber superstars he faced yea he should've went to alot. Kobe had blazers spurs mavs denver rockets with yao Francis them boys ion mean no harm its just not even close to the talent level faced that's why bron not in alotta ppl top 5
samuel sylvestre clutch? NAH.
How can he be in the debate for the goat with more losses than wins ? That is such a soft and weak mentality ! No wonder why all those players are not winning and just making stats
Spoken like someone who has never competed you sound like you would rather lose in the 1st round then lose in the finals.
MJ won more than he lost? He played 15 years
@jayrich24 isn't second place better than 4th or 16th because when you lose in the 1st round your between 8 and 16.
When LBJ retires we will miss his talent. It's okay to acknowledge the man.
U will miss lebron, he is boring to watch to me, yall can have that boring game
Herbert Alexander LOl whos you’re favorite player to watch
@@futurekillerful Michael Jordan,t Mac, penny hardware,grant hill,Allen Iverson, Brandon roy
Mike Watkins Jr lmaooo his favorite players probably never were good enough to get to the peak of the mountain
@@futurekillerful Russell Westbrick and James hardhead
Its MJ KOBE SHAQ THEN LBJ. My argument is that the first three I mentioned could will their teams to a win or purely bully you down. LBJ needs a team of stars to reach that level because he's not purely gonna be on points coming from him. His teammates aren't scared to blow a play they are scared to get traded.
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This recent documentary just further proves why Magic is the real 🐐 despite his recent humility .Lets see a nine part series on SHOWTIME !! Let Jack narrate ! Oh yeah one thing I forgot if you factor in ABA LBJ is behind Dr J all time .
If I was drafting a player and I was choosen between Lebron and Shaquille O'neal . I'm taking Shaq
Lebron is 9th on my list
Shitty list
Doesn't make top 10 here. Top 15 OK.
@@LovingTinha 🤣🤣🤣
Leaving to create a superteam with Bosh and Wade dose hurt Lebron on the list. Also, he should have at least got a 3-peat with that team, really bad lost to Mavs, great win over thunder, just, only just, win over spurs than next season, when going for a 3-peat same spurs beat heat by a record margin, absolutely destroyed them. Heat underachieved. Bird should be in top 5 ahead of LJ.
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Its ok if he leaves LeBron out of his top 5. Everyone is entitled to their judgment and opinion...one for certain ain't NO ONE GONNA ADD EM TO A TOP 5
You know the issue here? People are ultimately salty that a player takes his career into his own hand instead of waiting for a bad front office to do their job.
After 7 years of not getting a good draft pick, or a decent trade, or a good free agent, he decided to do his own thing and create his own team.
We all forget Abdul Jabbar left the Sixers to go to Lakers. Wilt left warriors to go to the Lakers to join Jerry West.
Also, every single other player on this list had a super team at some point that their front office built.
Kobe had Dwight Howard, Nash, Chris Paul at some point, Shaq at his peak at another. Gasol, Odom, Bynum at another
Russell had 8 hall of famers on his teams along the year.
Jordan had Pippen and Rodman(2 time champion already at that time.
Magic had Worthy and Abdul Jabbar
Bird had Parish and Mchale
Even Paul Pierce had Garnett (former MVP) and Ray Allen (Perennial All Star)
Lebron just had shitty front offices, wanted to control his life, and decided to do things his own way.
And we criticize him for that.
1. Michael Jordan
2. Kareem Abdul Jabbar
3. Magic Johnson
4. LeBron James
5. Wilt Chamberlain
6. Kobe Bryant
7. Tim Duncan
8. Shaquille O'Neal
9. Larry Bird
10. Hakeem Olajuwon
LeBron , Shaq, Wilt are all guys where to talented and left chips on the table
Love Bron but he has a point! I do have him at #5 tho, with a chance to move up 1 spot maybe 2 if he wins another 2 titles
I have him at #5 as well. If he wins one more ring and Finals MVP i'll bump him to 3, 2 more of each and i'll put him at #2
Can’t wait for Lebron to make his top 50 and put Paul Pierce at like 40 way below iverson, Wade, dirk, kg, Ray Allen, and even rondo lol
I love lebron but that suitcase and plane ticket comment was hilarious
Iconic moment lebron falls and passes the ball gives to kyrie, lebron gets up runs toward the rim kyrie throws an oop to Lebron he catches with One hand and dunks it. 2016 finals that's Iconic.
First of all that finals victory LeBron had in 2016 against the warriors was a fluke!