Chris Broussard & Rob Parker - Has 'The Last Dance' Changed How You Feel About LeBron & Jordan
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- Опубликовано: 15 сен 2024
- THE ODD COUPLE - Chris Broussard & Rob Parker react to the conclusion of the documentary, 'The Last Dance', and also discuss the results of peoples' opinions of LeBron James VS. Michael Jordan
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Really loved the scene with MJ on the piano after winning...was like kid on Christmas morning despite it being his 6th title. Dude LOVED to win.
the things that mj has to endure to be at the top and go out there every single night and dominate the game without making an excuse and without making shortcuts, men thats greatness.
true ...pippen was not pippen until 1990...people don't understand this ...to go 6 in 89 with the pistons without another 13 ppg guy is insane...
Just like LeBron
@@christianmontanez5036 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Yeah run to another team to save him 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I feel like MJ might do more things behind closed doors. We almost never see MJ. Lebron strikes me more as the “I want people to see what I do” type. Especially in this social media age.
That's exactly right! We may be surprised how much MJ may have contributed to the community without advertising it!
@@ntwalipat2 Who cares if he didn't. That's not what people are talking about.
Didn't change my mind, just reaffirmed the fact LBJ is a backstabber and MJ would just confront you as a teammate.
Would much prefer someone pushing me to elevate my game then someone buying me gifts only to trade me.
ikr
@Dats a paddlin only those who are lazy and entitled will want such. MJ, just like EVERY great leader believed in his teammates and his team. He believes that they can be better and he prepared them to not only be better - skill wise BUT he also prepared them to be as strong willed as him. The reason is, MJ knew that to be champion his teammates must reach a certain standard... that is why MJ's Bulls became THE juggernaut. That is a testament to how great a leader he is. LeBron basically smiles at you BUT wouldn't work with you.. he isn't patient and will trade the cogs away in order to get what he wants.
LeBron does shortcuts... he either trade his teammates for others... or will leave and form a super team. MJ DEVELOPED his teammates... as hard as he is... that is tough love.
Only the lazy, the one who wants a free pass will ask for a trade.
@@normanlee725 Well put. Couldn't have put it better myself. As tough as MJ was on his teammates, I would rather go through that than somebody smiling in my face then turn around and say stuff to management about me without saying anything to my face. And we saw also that Michael's style won, and as you so eloquently put it, his team became a juggernaut. That's on him as the leader. LeBron has been given every advantage to succeed with management kowtowing to him and bending to his demands, paying over the top for mediocre teammates like Tristan Thompson and JR. Smith, both at LBJ's behest. Trying to get Kyrie traded was unforgivable in my opinion, confirming what we all know... that LeBron is a terrible GM.
@@normanlee725 Mj developed his teammates? Jordan didnt develop a damn thing are you kidding? If jordan was such a great developer of teammates as a player in his 20s and 30s, than why hasn't he accomplished the same success as a 50 something year old owner?
@@halfurbanhalfsuburban8219 Wow ok let's try and break this down ok just because someone is a great leader/athlete doesn't automatically translate to coaching/ownership of a team I mean look at Magic Johnson he's very good at business and was a great basketball player but he tried to GM and coach and he was terrible at both so people aren't going to be great or even good at everything.
Jordan averaged 32.2 points, 9.4 assists and 8.3 rebounds in 41 regular-season and playoff games as the Bulls' point guard, and that stretch included a streak of seven consecutive triple-doubles. Hey Broussard, Jordan was a great passer.
If the only debate againts this Poll is that Lebron is a better passer...... Can I remind everyone that in 1989 when Jordan was asked to play as a Guard for the Bulls as an experiment that he made 10 straight tripple doubles............ so MJ the 🐐 CAN in fact pass the ball very well and I wouldn't bet against the GOAT if he lined up with Lebron on a passing skill test. Would you?? Think about it.
I hate being in the millennial group. I’m 32 vividly remember watching Jordan play. Knew he was the goat then. And know he’s the goat now.
I'm 32 also. Why do you hate being in the millennial group? I hate that "millennial" has such a negative connotation. Like, they don't even realize that Gen Z is a thing...
@@koreypaul6698 Gen Z are usually full of crayon eaters
@@KVJ-w7h LOL! Facts!
All they have to do is make a lebron documentary
You were born in ‘90 or ‘91. So do you remember the 1st 3 peat vividly? When you between 2-6 or the 2nd 3 peat? When you were no older than 9 the last year they played? And if you could understand everything about Basketball at that age, you’re basically a basketball savant. I call 🧢
In 1989 Jordan had to play Point Guard for 11 games because of an injury to another player. Jordan recorded 10 triple doubles out of 11 games and 7 straight triple doubles. His stats for the 11 games were as follows: 33.6 Points per game, 11.4 rebounds per game, 10.8 assists per game, 2.9 steals per game, 0.8 blocks per game and shot 51% from the field. Jordan was most definitely a better passer than Lebron when he wanted to be. He could do anything.
Yeah i agree. I seen paul pierce nearly average triple double for s grip after Rondo got hurt. But he couldnt do it for his entire career. Thats a big difference.
Lol y’all should be drug tested talking about Mike a better passer. Y’all can’t even give Bron this.
Indeed. Impressive. How about career wise? Chicago did NOT need MJ to pass the rock. The triangle offense made sure the rock was touched by everyone. Otherwise, MJ would still be shooting the ball today (joke). My point is, they needed MJ to put numbers on the board and score. He was a natural scorer with instant amnesia and no conscious. He was going to go out shooting. He was NOT a facilitator like Magic, Bird, Lebron, Kidd, Nash or Stockton. I admit he learned to pass more as he matured, but I think Phil, Tex and the triangle offense made sure of that.
It’s not JUST the last shots... it’s the big rebounds, the steals, the shots when down by multiple possessions in the final minutes.
I'm 33 and was living in Europe at the time and I remember being absolutely obsessed with the bulls and Jordan during the second 3-peat era.
How do you judge LeBron as the better passer? If more of Lebron's passes have been intercepted, is he still the better passer? If MJ is the more polished, smarter and wiser better, does this count as the better passer?
Lebron n his media team been up LATE past few weeks.... 😱 😓
Lebron has to make his move next to change this narrative. This should be fun
itouchme78 since he can’t do anything about it on the court 🏀....he’ll prolly transition to female and became the best “female” former male basketball player ever... and HE will tell you that it makes him the greatest.... (Sending Millennials into a “WOKE” Frenzy)
mrkareem1975 for real bro... HEAVY FLOW.... 🌊
Brendan Walsh why go to this psycho level wtf😂
NAHHH. WE CHILLIN 😂 LaGOAT JAMES
Lebron had money from Nike early on, thanks to Mike's legacy
flashflash not like lebron
Nike won't be the Nike we know today if not for Jordan. FACTS! Remove that Jordan Brand from Nike, it would be a different story for sneaker culture in a instant. MJ is the cheat code in and out of the court.
@ J day... man, are you really that stupid? "Jordan wouldnt be jordan without nike" yea cuz you know MJ had no skill whatsoever. Gtfoh Jordan is and always will be the GOAT regardless if nike signed him or not. Dumbass, you shouldve stayed in school.
@J Day wtf?! 🤣 Nike would long be gone had they not gambled on signing MJ. If not for MJ, Nike would not be able to lure the superstars to promote their brand.
@J Day ur so funny really hahahaha..
Every Goat debate ever:
*MJ fans tell you what he did.
*Lebron fans tell you why he didn't.
*MJ fans tell you he was Great and Unstoppable!
*Lebron fans tell you the Spurs were great and the Warriors were Unstoppable!
And nobody ever brings up coaching
💯
I’d like for Chris to list everything he knows MJ has done in the Black community. Because I think most folks dont know because MJ doesn’t broadcast to the world everything he does.
Yup. My question is what has LBJ DONE? A SCHOOL LOTS OF PPL HAVE BUILT SCHOOLS. SO WHAT DOES LBJ CLAME
@smutton Lebron would befriend you then trade you away when he's done with you
MJ is the reason why black athletes today are getting big pay checks in the NBA and from other endorsements and advertisements.
@smutton you know how most schools are named after people? Those lotsa people
Just because he's not announcing stuff doesn't mean he's not doing anything......As we found out in the doc...MJ doesn't care for the spotlight
Mike got killed in the media but Magic ,Bird Isaiah and others knew ...this dude is next Level ..they all said it
They knew from back in '84 when Mike and Ewing whipped all of them in exhibition games between the US men's basketball team and the NBA All stars.
Then when MJ got into the NBA, they all pretended like MJ was losing because he "didn't trust his teammates". 😂
Nick wright gang in shambles
KingBradicus you mean The Gang That Couldn’t Speak Straight??? 🤥
Just because bron is a more willing passer, it doesn't make him a BETTER passer.
Shiiii, I was a marvelous passer, in my high-school freshman years, when my shot was rusty as well!
Lebron is a better passer stop it
The doc is doing so work. My friend is the biggest Bron fan and he finally admitted Jordan is the GOAT after the last episode lol. We're both millennials but on the slightly older spectrum. I was shocked that he was won over. He barely wanted to watch the doc, but Jordan willing his team to a chip while on his last leg was inspiring to him.
True basketball fans would recognize a true winner! Basketball at the end of the day is a competitive sport, and MJ has the edge over Lebron!
He an older millenial and he thought bron was the GOAT....I wouldnt trust any of his insights
My favorite thing about the Last Dance doc was that it offered rich information on how to become great and successful at whatever you want to do or be. We can learn from MJ's good decisions, and his mistakes, and see how to change our own mentalities to will ourselves to overcome the obstacles in front of us and acheive what we want.
There was a poll a year ago that had MJ as the goat at 70 percent, this latest poll had him at 72 percent. A active players poll in the past year had 75 % for MJ. These polls have stayed at 70+ % for MJ with people knowing what things both players have accomplished. Seems to me the debate has ended with the masses not budging on mj. Even lebron James teammates say Jordan is the goat.
Even Lebron's kid is clever enough to say MJ is better than daddy 😂
Jordan is the GOAT. Only things LeBron does better is passing, rebounding, impact off the court, and teammate. That's it
It wasn't much of a debate LeBron botched winning 4 rings (2 against teams he had a clear advantage over) and has a history of choking in big moments there's no coming back from that.
🤣🤣🤣 man....it’ll never end. In 10, 20, 30 years from now it’ll be brought back up again. Time suppresses a lot of history and people forget it too
Reeal Evans which 2 were those? Dallas yes. Which other?
Chris Broussard acting like LeBron's social media tweets count as activism,Jordan has done a lot in business and hiring minorities from his brand Jordan company and the NBA team he owns plus he's a great role model for children just because he does not tweet everything he does for the community.
unless you’re a casual who claims to know the game of basketball like rob the your mind will be changed but if you understand the game at a high level you already knew
Excellent point
Exactly
I played D1 and professionally overseas and I agree with you 💯.
How can he be a causal fan when he was a NBA BEAT REPORTER?! lol
I’m confused on what credit was Jerry Krause expecting to get:
Every player on those Bulls teams talks about Jerry during the parade & gives him a thank you card?
Every Chicago citizen makes a thank you poster for drafting MJ/Pip??
He mad no sense and he was jealous of Phil/MJ
Jordan played to win. LeBron plays for legacy.
Agree, Jordan wasn't chasing stats and records
The last dance hasn’t changed anything Michael Jordan is still the goat don’t listen to these pathetic lebron fan boys in the media
I don't think he's the goat and I hate LeBron so nice try
Facts don’t lie mj is better
Jordan is a better passer? ok, the poll sounds about @ FAKE. C'mon, if MJ has to bring out a docu and force-feed folks w/stats & data, btw, data he can't hold to Kareem & Russell, this all sounds very desperate. Don't compare yourself to an active player, that's really reaching and it's a creepingly insecure move. Yea and Chris finally mentioned...your teammates on drugs, how fair were those games w/Rodman drug-induced playing, MJ and the BUlls cheated the sport and I question those chips.
Christine Smith mj is better it’s obvious 6 and 0
haha mj career assists is 5.3 ang lebron's is 7.4, this bron fanboys made it sound like 3-6 is close to 6-6 finals stats hilarious
One of the most powerful things Jordan did that separates him from these modern players including Lebron is the fact that he wanted to play every game because there were kids and others that wanted to see him. Add to that he said that he wanted to give them his best.
thats true!!!!
Facts!
Every game?
Jordan was a great passer
30:11 Pippen was a non division 1, 5th pick rookie when he joined the Bulls. He averaged 8 ppg in his 1st yr. Phil had no NBA head coaching experience before he joined the Bulls . MJ stayed and helped develop pippen to be a great wingman player. MJ decided to accept the mgmt decision to replace Doug and subjected himself to Phil and Tex's Triangle system even though he knew that it will lessen his touches and affect his stats.
And i disagree with this comment by chris 30:30. Let's go back in '87 and replace MJ with lebron. They were just swept by a dynasty team. And the only help jerry krause could get lebron is acquiring two ROOKIES. Do u think lebron will take it as the "help" he needs to battle the top tier teams like the celtics, pistons and lakers?
MJ the GOAT and my favorite player but to win in every category is kinda surprising. This was never a debate tho. When past players, legends and today's players vote MJ it really says something.
Yep! I always say... If Michael was given Lebron's physical characteristics, you'd see the scariest player to ever compete on the basketball court. If LeBron would've been gifted with Jordan's body on the other hand, I doubt he'd be able to do any more than he already can do right now. So it's really MJ's mentality that's further makes him the GOAT!
Boy y’all milk the hell out of this l documentary 😂
Lol for real
🤣😂🤣😂
What else is there to talk about
Let's get it coronita
Word!! Overrated coke sniffin era...
it made me realize the gap between everyone else and MJ lol.
Another thing that makes you consider the gap bw MJ and everyone else: everyone already considered him the GOAT when he retired the first time. Then he came back and doubled his legacy pretty much.
@@wyansas The first retirement, second or third? 😆
@@obitou5595 Any of them. He was the GOAT after 3 rings then after his 2nd 3-peat and every single season and playoff record.
I want the NBA season back simply because I am tired of the same topics
It will be back next season in October
If they ain’t talking about this they’re just talking about Lebron
What would be different?
news flash lol first time I ever been called a Jordan Hater. That’s wild
EBHS00 It has increased 10 fold since season cancelled
LeTaco's 3 rings would only need a 30 minute episode...🤔
Watch the tapes fellas. Mike was a Great Passer!!
Great? He was ok. Great scorer-great defender. He was not known for his passing. Magic, Bird, Stockton, Kidd, and Lebron = Great passing. MJ was not in that category. Rewind the tape and see how many great passes he made compared to his slam dunk highlights and mid range jump shot. Now go to RUclips and watch Magic pass the rock.
@@user-hb9ig4fx9p like my man said.. watch the tape.
@@gregorygrobama6429 we watched and he still not in there lane when it comes to passing just stop it.
@@jimmyb4361 he was.. he was just even better at scoring.. he didn't need to resort to passing like those other greats you named.
huh? so a simple pass that sets a player to make a shot cant be counted as a great passer? if you want to be a great passer, you need more no look or fancy passes to be considered a great passer? mmm..bs
Aye chris, youtube "jordan passing"
Bron passes more cuz he he isnt offensively what Jordan was
But Jordan skill level as a passer edges bron
mj played team ball pass that led to a pass so he didn't get the assist but he got the hockey assist..lebron gets stats cause he holds the ball too much and is not a team player...he just dribbles a lot ...thats why the spurs expose him ..they play real system ball ...the pass is faster than your dribble or defense...
David Stern acknowledged MJ as the one that have a major impact on NBA Basketball Business that speak to be the beloved GOAT but ofcourse in the help of others NBA superstars.
"Major impact" does not mean MJ IS THE GOAT. Try again, FAN GIRL.
@@kingofpendragon 🤣🤣🤣 Top #5 Nba players of All Time in order... #1 JORDAN, #2 Kareem, #3 Wilt, #4 Bird, #5 Kobe. FACTS OVER FEELINGS! lebron NOT even a Top #10 All Time player. Deal with it! Nowadays there's NO defense, No physicality and players that just stand around like the WNBA and shoot. 🤣🤣🤣 PATHETIC AZZ era. It's so weak, soft and devoid of physicality that Unathletic White Euros have come in and Dominated. Facts!
You just know about what Lebrons done you don’t know everything Jordan has done. Because he doesn’t publicize it.
Im glad MJ is getting his shine
@Dats a paddlin I'm talking about the silly debate on who is goat lol although I could have used less kerr and more ron harper Or Grant. I like kerr but he got way too much air time I think bcz he is successful coach with warriors.
Im not going to tell you why we on the street don't respect LBJ.but finally y'all starting to get closer to the truth.
You got secrets...do tell. Don't be silly, Paris.
You don't respect him as a man, a player? Do tell. Even if he's not the GOAT he's a great player and a stand-up dude.
Lebron is the phony 🐐
That one caller was right--Jordan really developed the non-D1 draft pick Scottie Pippen into a HofFamer. Therefore, we can remove some of that credit from Krause.
Can't remove credit. Krause had a great eye for talent. You gotta give krause talent. But Mj Jordan developed Pippen through tough love, tough practices
i love LBJ but Jordan would have mentally killed Lebron...when you get to that level of athleticism and such, it takes a mental strength to overcome all the others. Jordan was a killer and mentally tougher. No disrespect to LBJ but can he out mental game MJ?
Is mj some sort of telepath ? Wtf does mentally kill him mean ? Mj played in a watered down league and didn’t beat any of the super teams like the lakers,Celtics , pistons until they were past their prime 😂
Erick Salazar it means he would make Lebron James QUIT... players FAR LESS than the likes of Michael Jordan have made Lebron quit... he would have taken His soul.... trust me Lebron James is a great player and unbelievably talented but he just isn’t built of the same stuff as Michael Jordan...
Erick Salazar Watered down league? Penny and Shaq’s Magic who the Bulls swept in 95-96 were better than any team Lebron beat in the Finals except for the 15-16 Warriors.
Lebron played against the greatest regular season team (73-9) , then that same team plus Durant, the spurs with 3 hof (duncan,ginobli,kawhi maybe Parker) , okc with 3 hof (Durant,Westbrook,harden) and if you say that okc was too young then you have to say the same about Shaq and penny they weren’t at they’re prime . Jordan also was favored in every finals , he just had the better team by far during that era, Lebron took Nobody’s to the finals . Jordan couldn’t make it past the first round without Scottie
@@HomeboyTV_ stop it with the shannon sharpe talking points. It's been over. 3-6 Mafia. If I remember JJ Barea and Jason Terry dominated LeBron.
I remember people calling Jordan the goat after he won his third chip, At that time that wasn’t Meritable To be called the goat after chips three chips.
i realize it's kind of off topic but does anybody know a good place to stream newly released movies online?
@Christopher Vincenzo Try Flixzone. You can find it by googling =)
Give me MJ all day, all time. The GOAT. . Nobody is close.
Jordan the goat stop it!!!
@9:28 "Let's keep real LBJ has done far more off the court....."
Christ B. Can you elaborate on that? Because it's one thing to be saying it but another thing is to prove factually.
Bro lebron has foundation, giving out and back to the community, did you know that lebron speak on social issues and been the topic of conversation on politics? What about the school he built ? Or his corporations ?
it’s not even close stop it
he’s the greatest off court nba athlete ever
All 3 of these comments are ridiculous. What year did all Lebron's activism start?? Why are you all acting like he came into the league with this outspoken mentality. Dude, started getting vocal as soon as realized he wasn't getting more rings than Jordan in Miami. Once that happened, his crew decided to change the narrative and do the one thing Jordan was criticized about not being an "Activist on social issues". All he's doing is trying to sway people with off the court moves. It's great! But it doesn't change that he's not MJ on the court. Had he won 8 rings in Miami. We wouldn't have seen any school being built in Ohio.
Xavier Steel ya sound like skip, why are you making up motives for another man? he’s never compared himself to jordan off the court what are you talking about. lebron has always given back, i lived in miami my whole life. i was here when he was in miami, i didn’t start following his career until he got here. his off the court greatness is inseparable from his on court greatness. when you think about lebron, you’ll always think about what he’s done for communities/continues to do for communities. stop tryna take away from a man’s greatness, he’s touched a countless amount of lives and has been flawless in terms staying out of trouble and being a great role model, all WITHOUT having a father in his life. EVERY city would love for lebron to come to their city and their team. not to mention he’s one of the biggest reasons nba players have so much power now. rings rings rings, you sound ridiculous
"Done More" doesnt necessary translate as Impact of the court. Jordan definitely had way more impact of the court than lebron, Lebron has only impact in American, Jordan impact is worlwide, you americans forget that other countries exist and they also watch basketball, not everything is about American Only.
What it did was make Jordan as real as Lebron to those who were not alive, and in doing so they can better judge Jordan, that he's the real deal, and not some random superstar who happens to be remembered fondly.
facts. people look at what Jordan accomplished and think "he can't be that good at 6'6". But the reality is, Jordan is as every bit as good as what his accolades tell he is.
Mike did a lot of charities in Chicago
MJ was a way better passer than Lebeba. Bird was Greater than Lebeba.
Drugs is one crazy thing
@Chris King duh!!!! Your teammates have to actually make the damn shot!!!! Clown
Nah i grew up watching MJ Lebron is a better passer
Mj brought the ball up in the 93 final he was the decoy
Jordan has now donated some $30 million over the last five years to activist projects, including $5 million to the National Museum of African American History and Culture, at least $3 million to hurricane relief, millions to Make-A- Wish foundation.. not to mention funding the Malcolm X movie in the 90s.. the countless amount of kids he has sent to college.. they make it seem like Jordan didn’t help people.. he just wasn’t vocal about it.
And no one knew it because mike prolly used some other name to do it. Hes a political coward. Hes an issues coward. Period
LeBron somewhere swinging at the air 😂
i doubt it; I'm pretty sure bron is at the mansion chillin with his lovely family sippin on some wine and enjoying life.
Mark Warner lol that’s exactly it
@@manofaith75 bs.. he is a competitor trying to reach goat status.. I'm sure all this has him feeling a type of way..
@@gregorygrobama6429 Maybe so but at the end of the day, he can look back on his accomplishments on and off the court and smile.
@@manofaith75 ...and working out on his game, physical fitness, and watching tape. Hopefully, he working on his free throws too.
When has LeBron every avenge 40? Come on Man! Be real. Nothing that man can do to past MJ. They was calling MJ the best ever his 3rs year in the league. Not his 18th season.
Jordan never averaged 40 points
@@dre2844 He did in the Finals.
@@dre2844 He did in 6 different playoff series, including the finals
Lol the fact that in year 3 they was calling Mike the Goat shows just how crazy people are.
Mj has still shot more shots than LeBron.... Let that sink in
At 10:31 Chris called Lebron a sell out. Which is true.
@John Grey Lebron noped out of the HK situation real quick when his money and reputation got threatened
Jordan never lost international games....James???
@@norsaben92 Lebron just always manages to lose, no wonder he's 3-6
he really thinks the 2016 finals mean more than the 2 heat rings?...how?...without those he doesn't get 2016 hes still a choker and in 2016 he needed the suspension and bogut to get hurt and curry to act like a moron...lebron was never going to be the goat ..like with kd leaving helped his legacy...he could not handle the stress and without him leaving no kyrie so....there is no world 1 ring means more than 2
Chris you low-key a lebron agent. That's why you always have to say you believe Jordan the GOAT... then go on a indirect mj tear...OK Jordan IS a better passer...
Right he's always tearing Mj down while trying to raise Lbj in the process.
Nice 1 Rob - Nick Wrong LOL
Nicks reasoning is lbj is bigger, stronger, and faster. What kills me with this conclusion is Mj is faster, and lbj doesn't like contact
@Marcus Graham 1986
HE ALWAYS SO WRONG I WISH CRIS CATER COULD STILL MUSH CAKE IN HIS FACE.
@Angel 23 Jordan ran a 4.3, Lebron runs a 4.6
Jordan was faster. LBJ might be stronger, but MJ was also extremely strong. Making it a dumb argument by Nick Wright
That poll will probably have MJ beating Lebron in social issues
When LeBron sold out during the NBA/China feud it showed his true colors, he ain't Ali or Jim Brown when it comes to political/social issues. Jordan said hes not a politician so stuck to basketball yet made many donations throughout his lifetime. Stop exaggerating
haha good one and your probably right. This doc. has the ability to rewrite reality somehow.
Tell your caller that food poisoning comes in many different ways, even as simple as eating in another city, because everyone prepares food differently, also drinking water that you are not familiar with can have an adverse affect on you.Their are those people that have an allergic reaction to certain foods; so it is asinine to think that someone can get mild poisoning from food, and because he threw everything that he ate up, and the fact that he didn't eat anything earlier all contributed to him being weak, and feeling flu like symptoms. I know, because i had first hand experience.
How does LeBron get to be in this discussion with only 3 championships lol, i will never understand..
When he retires they won’t talk about him and he’ll fall down the rank, most people that put him up there are media analysts it’s just for business. Durant and kwahi are better than him rn even Anthony Davis but he gets in mvp conversation
@@LaForce1notdone Right! I don't understand that either, the mvp race to me looks like it should be Giannis by himself..
they literally said jordan was the goat after 3 rings...yall just fall for the ESPN and Nike hype...nike could have pushed magic and the outcome would have been the same..fools fall for anything
Lol the same way Jordan some how got into the discussion with no chips and then the same way he was in it with 3 chips.
Marlow Stanfield Lol sure 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I’m confused on what credit was Jerry Krause expecting to get:
Every player on those Bulls teams talks about Jerry during the parade & gives him a thank you card?
Every Chicago citizen makes a thank you poster for drafting MJ/Pip??
He mad no sense and he was jealous of Phil/MJ
The diferent is that both create dinatys with their actions, michael made de bulls, lebron made golden state ... enough said
Jerry K built that Team. Don’t forget . Just saw the doc lol
Young kids realizing Jordans the GOAT, and they only had to document 1 season 💯
When Lebron left Cleveland... that actually worked out to Cleveland's advantage, because they were bad enough to draft Kyrie... Had Lebron stayed they may not have ever drafted Kyrie, and never won the chip.
Right plus in Lebron's first 7 years in Cleveland he never had a Scottie Pippen/Khris Middleton type player as robin on his team so i understand why he left if he had a player like that then i would've wanted him to stay
I didn't know how deep that Indiana team was they should've used Jalen Rose more he was only playing 16 minutes a game
Chris: Impact off the court: Jordan brand (Sneakers), NBA Brand took off, Player Salary took off . LeBron: May have done more from social than Jordan, but as total impact I think it is Jordan. Just my opinion.
Lol thinking anything has changed is hilarious. The conversations probably louder than ever now.
news flash oh ok cool
Millions and millions of young kids wanted to be like Mike... Just because Lebron speak out about social issues doesn't make him more impactful... Jordan don't brag about his giving.. Most wealthy people don't.........
honestly if you're a student of the game watching old games on youtube do more justice than this documentary
Totally agree with you. I was hoping for something groundbreaking. Even though I am a Lebron fan, this documentary wasn't all that! It made good TV during the COVID-19 pandemic. Good to see MJ is doing well for himself and enjoying retirement. Great marketing for Nike and it makes MJ relevant again. I wish the season would start up again.
But what do you think? Cause I do watch the old games & only thing I got from the doc. Was what jordan wanted it to look like, anything against him he denied & covered up & said yes to things that people already had proof. His team wasn’t trash & I had how scottie get remembered as the best number 2, as if jordan won 1 series without Scottie. Scottie was a beast & they set jordan up with great teammates that compliment him & lebron going to college hurt him because he never had got to learn to play team ball if bron went to college I think we would clearly see bron as the greatest. I think jordan just had perfect timing
Jerrod Garland lebron going to college is irrelevant and to learn the game at the highest level while playing at the highest level is doing so in the nba
OG James I know bron didn’t need college but I just think a college coach would of taught him how to move without the ball I think bron the goat
OG James when me & my son debated this topic he went on RUclips and watched every finals game of Jordan’s career & drew his own conclusions. After watching it he said undoubtedly that Jordan was the greatest basketball player he’s seen.
Just appreciate greatness while we have it‼️
I did appreciate it while Jordan played. Facts! 👍🏻
Well, the Media may have killed him but Bird, who was the reigning MVP, said in 1985: Michael Jordan is the best player of all time ". That's Larry talking about Michael Jordan as a rookie. And Magic said Jordan was the best player in the league...individually. those are facts. And Jordan is the better passer, he was just not marketted this way. The difference is people can watch youtube now, debate it and make and opinion for themselves. Lebron is not even a great one on one player. Jordan is the best at it all time.
Bird didn't say that
Yes he did. That was in 1985 and Jordan was still a rookie. Bird was still the MVP of the league and the reigning champion.
he isn’t a better passer honestly but overall player and various ways of scoring is what makes jordan better than lebron to me
I been heard the food poison story,where have you people been?
I'm black and while LeBron has had a lot of impact off the court, I don't agree that all of LeBron's impact has been positive. Jordan's impact was overwhelmingly positive.
Ok. Jordan didn't brag about being giving. Bron brags about how he helps.
The media, y’all are the media FOH
They want too be players so bad 😭
LeBron isn't even top 4 c'mon. MJ 1st, Kareem 2nd (stats, accolades, nuff said), Magic 3rd (finals MVP as a rookie? Then 4 more, oh c'mon!), Russell 4th. I put Russell only at 4 coz the competition back then really wasn't all that much, but still, 11 rings is 11 rings. 5th is a toss up between Wilt or LeBron. If you wanna bring in stats ala Nick Wright, Wilt's stats trumps over LeBron.
Rob. Wade played with LeBron and he says MJ is the goat. Let that sink in
he grew up in chicago idolizing mj...fool...wade thinks hes better than lebron...his mentality is why hes special
Why is Chris saying it’s not close. Jordan has been giving to charity since he came into the league. Built Boys & Girls Club, Make A Wish as well as numerous charities. So what Lebron wore a hoodie and a T-shirt. What has he done on the front line. That school alone does not make him the king of giving. Just another way of giving him another runner up trophy
and also remember what he did in his salary during his time in wizards...
These people need to really stop with the Phil Jackson nonsense... Phil Jackson wasn’t a nba championship caliber coach before he coached Michael Jordan.. Check Scottie Pippens stats his first couple of years. MJ’s production was consistent
Finally someone said it!
That was his first NBA head coaching job.
Nick Wrong should forever stick
How come You've forgot Who M. J. Was?....I've never forgot Whom He was, I knew a long time ago HE WAS THE G.O.A.T.!!!!
5:15 - 5:22 .....Well said Rob Parker....
That’s the #1 thing that I had a problem with Lebron that Rob states right off the bat, Jordan was not anointed. Lebron before we stepped onto the NBA court, they dubbed him the “chosen one”. And maybe it’s his embracing of that. I really do enjoy watching Lebron play. He is awesome! All out awesome. But we’re nitpicking because we are discussing best of the best, see MJ in his interviews and his humility, just wanting to be in the conversation and that the eras are incomparable. It’s literally on youtube. And Lebron just brings out, I’m the best ever. Bruh. Jordan has to earn his stripes. He stayed, and he got over the challenges. Lebron literally ran to not just a star studded team, but a superstar team. He lost me there. I wish he just stayed with the Cavs, bled and won with his hometown team.
Odd Couple>>>Undisputed>>>First Take. Another quality episode, good sirs!
First take is better than undisputed.
Odd couple is a radio show on fox,they have liberty to say what they want
The main reason I watch first take more than undisputed is because at least they use reason in arguments n they don't change them to support a different like Skip saying one thing about MJ and changing the basis of his argument just to argue how great Brady is...plus nobody wants to listen to Skip talking about the cowboys in almost every segment when they haven't done jack
Agreed.
Well, obviously MJ didn't litteraly always took the last shots...but he did it like what...90% of the time...he would just take over the game at some point and played like it from the beginning till the end...in 1998. Even with the Wizards at 40...he would still do it most of the time. That's not even worth mentioning it.
I want to talk abour the passing...Lebron is a great passer for a big man and a great passer, period but not better than Jordan. First of all, assists were not counted the same way. In Jordan's era, when you passed the ball to a player, if he'd take one dribble and score, it was not considered an assist. In today's game, when a player takes 6 dribbles after receiving the pass and score, it's still being considered an assist. So, let's not get carried away with the stats.
Second, Jordan played in the triangle offense for most of his career and it took away from his assists numbers. When he played the point guard position only a full month in 1989, he averaged 32/8/8/54%. So, having the ball a lot and playing a different position changes the numbers. And back then, players were playing their positions. The game was more rigorous/organized from that perspective.
Third, and for some reasons, it's probably the most overlooked aspectof Jordan's career but he had poor offensive help.
With Jordan's teammates struggling offensively, it obviously made it harder to get assists. In the 1996 title run, the 72-10 Bulls became the only championship team since the 1964 Celtics where the 2nd and 3rd scorers both shot under 40% for the playoffs.
Can you imagine that?
Even better than that, in the 1997 title run, Jordan became the only player to ever lead a championship team to the title with only one double digit scorer for the playoffs. Pippen had 19 ppg on a sub-par 42%, and all other Bulls failed to reach 8 ppg. That's absolutely unheardof.
Moreover, the 1997 and 1998 Bulls have the two lowest scoring supporting casts by a winning team in the NBA Playoffs in the shot clock era.
So, like Rob Parker would say...there is a context to it. But go back and watch the video "Michael Jodan's playground" when players talk about Jordan being in the category of Magic and Bird as a passer (with the highlights). It's nothing new, he just wasn't marketed this way. Go watch on his wikipedia page, when MJ talks about how the nba marketed him just as a scorer instead of an all around player. Nothing new really...
...also, Lebron is the most overrated passer in NBA history. Many of his assists come from him having the ball in his hands well over 90% of the time. Don't get me wrong, he is a good passer but this foolish notion that he is anywhere near the level of a Magic or a Bird is absolutely LAUGHABLE!!!
P.S. and while MJ was every bit as good a passer as Lebron, he is nowhere near the level of a Bird or Magic. Jordan was a much better scorer than both Bird and Magic but Bird was way above Magic as far as scoring and shooting. Bird was actually a better all-around player than Magic, Magic just had a longer career and more accomplishments because he was a little younger and stayed healthier longer. Not to mention he had the better team and more talent 90% of the time they played each other.
P.S.S. and Bird was by far the superior defender and had a higher basketball IQ as well.
Preach! MJ creates double teams in crucial situations and pass the ball to an open team mate for a WIDE open jumpshot or dunk. The steve kerr shot in the finals and wennington's dunk in double nickel game happened bec of jordan's ability to create a double team and pass the ball at the right moment. On the other hand, you have a big point forward with a mismatch on top of the key, didnt create a double team, decided to pass it to a cutting role player/point guard then gets fouled underneath the basket. As a result, pg was forced to shoot crucial free throws. Also this big point forward had a foul troubled defender on him, attacked the basket, wasnt double teamed, but still passed the ball to a spot up 3 pt shooter that was challenged and missed the shot.
@@anthonyzarate9807 who did bird ever shut down defensively? Competition matters
Chris should watch that Documentary again how
MJ took the NBA to the world. 1992 Olympics is testament to MJs popularity in the world.
wtf is rob talking about? im 33, i saw the last 3 peat as a kid. i remember.
@Tod Wilkinson i wont claim that i saw all the games because that would be a lie. the only reg season and especially playoff games i were able to watch were the games that were showed on the weekends during the nba on nbc broadcast back in the mid 90s with marv albert.
If you know you know. A documentary can't change your mind.
Younger folks know Bron a crybaby, faux woke, great player but not close to Mike on or off the court business wise.
Jordan is a billionaire 2 times over. He gave way more money to the community and not for a Nike promo shoot or for Twitter. MJ employs way more black folks than Bron ever will with his Jordan brand alone not to mention the NBA players. Let's count the executives for Charlotte also.
Fred Whitefield, James R Jordan, Donna Julian, Seth Bennett all BLACK EXECUTIVES on the hornets.
How about we see what Lebron does after he retires. We know he gives back to the community and education. That's a good start. Maybe Lebron and MJ team up and collaborate on a project. Why are you hating on the man. He keeps his nose clean and plays ball and is still vilified for it. I don't get it.
Jordan has a much more story book career and resume than LeBron. Iconic moments: the 63 points in Boston Garden playoffs, the 88 dunk contest, game winner vs Cavs, flu game/squirts game and the Last Shot. Lastly, LeBron should have never worn number 23. He's a one of one all-time great but constantly being compared to MJ is not fair to anybody.
Now I know why people stop reading Sports illustrated, rename General Manager illustrated 🤣
Of course the youngins are going to change their minds and roll with Jordan. His finals moments were the best and with numerous highlights. LeBron 3-6 and his biggest moment is a damn block that ESPN made famous 🤣
jordan would of schooled LeBron 1 on 1
IKR!!?? Likw why is that even a question? If size makes the difference then that means Lebron loses one on one to Dwight Howard!
How would Jordan stop Lebron from scoring!?
not sure about that
The one fact that is left out about Jordan is that he became the Player the NBA Chose to take their brand Global.
You have to be put in a Marketing strategy position to accomplish that.
Jordan had that cache.
I was shooting hoops on a dirt court in Japan a few days ago with some 12-14 years olds and whose name did one little guy yell out to his friends to flex when he pulled off a ridiculous layup? Hint: it wasn’t LeBron.
Chris delusional af jordan has done way more than lebron for the community. Just lebron looks for the credit
I guess you want chris to kiss jordan's ass every-time and give lebron james credit for nothing; typical response from a hater but i dont condemn you bruh, I'm actually praying for you. God bless and goodnight.
Mark Warner so many of them In the comments. If you let them tell it the man ain’t never did nothing.
@@FireAngelChris bruh I tell u it's sad.
Really dude
That’s the dumbest comment on this entire string of dumbass Lebron hate comments. I can just say things without proof too
Cheryl Miller is Greater than Lebeba. LMAO!
I've heard the pizza theory multiple times over the years. I don't know why it's such a mystery to everyone
I worked at a pizza place in the 90's. I was told about fromunda cheese and other disgusting things some cooks did. Jordan getting stomach flu / food poisoning is easily possible
Lebron = Flopping = Quiting (against Celtics, Spurs and Mavericks)