Hello Duncan, tanks for the video and testing the adapter with that phasetetection AF. I tryed out my lenses with my A6500 and MC-11 (FW 1.08). Here are my results: rather old Canon 70-300mm (4-5.6 IS USM)=Phasedetection available. It feels snapy but its old and rumbles a bit while focusing. Older Sigma 30mm 1.4 (Mark I, Canon EF Mount) = Phasedetection available. It feels very snapy and fast, even at low light difficult structures. It is my fastest adapted lens. Sigma 18-35mm 1.8 Art= no Phasedetection. It works but slow. It is like you said a shame on Sigma, that the newest best lens(es) did not support fast AF. It is annoying. Now I am not shure if I want to replace the old Canon 70-300 with a native Sony 70-200 f4 or a used Canon 70-200 2.8. It is the same price range.
maccooley70 yeah old lenses will be slower and noisy. But remember that sigma designed it to work with certain sigma lenses. So we should be happy that it works with Canon lenses. I tried the sigma 18-35 and it seemed decent if AF in photo mode. The problem is that sometimes it will choose the phase detection and sometimes it will choose contrast af and you have no control over that. I would also consider the canon 70-200 F/4. Much smaller but great and sharp
HI Duncan thanks for the review, I've got very decent shot experience and snappy AF with my Sigma Art 35 1.4 and Sony A7 III , Maybe a firmware update?
Eric Touati hi there ! I have done new testing with new firmware updates but I still can’t really get it right with the sigmas nor the Canon. Lol But it seems that the A7iii performs way better than any other Sony cameras. My A7riii does an ok job
excellent review! informative and fun to watch too! cant understand how you have 2k subscribers with this quality! was interested in the 70-200mm lens and found the perfect video! would you be able to try with sigma 70-200mm 2.8 lens? trying to find the cheapest way to get a 70-200mm 2.8 for the sony a7ii
Farabeats cheers mate ! I really enjoy making those types of videos and yeah I do wish that I had more followings haha cause those videos takes a lot of time to make but life is tough ! I might be able to do that but not before a few months. I talked to one of the head guys at B&H and they will let me borrow what even I want once I get back to the US ;) I’m just worried that the sigma will act like other sigma and not have the control of what AF it uses like the Canon’s have :Phase detection AF. I would go for the tamron version if I were you. Even the first vr version was great. Unless you are shooting videos and in which case you want to go with a sigma
haha i used to make videos too but there is so much that goes on behind it! all the shooting lighting etc and not to mention editing and to see so little following! but i am sure with your quality you will go very far! i usually dont comment of videos but i had to let you know how incredibly well put together your videos are!
Farabeats thanks man I really appreciate it ! And yes you have to have made a video like that to know how much time and effort are put into them :) I’m glad that you found this useful ! Have a good one !
Nice review! I am using mc-11 with a 50mm f1.8 its not that great. I am considering to get the 70-200 f2.8 Is. Also how did you record your video off the camera???
Benjamin Lu yeah it works better with the newer lenses usually. But it is very unpredictable/unreliable. I recently shot with t and the 85mm canon and I had so many photos out of focus. The more I use this adapter the less I like it. I used the blackmagic video assist monitor. It has an sd card slot to record via hdmi ;)
Duncan Dimanche yes I may need to reconsider and just save up for the Sony 70-200 f4... haha. I’ve recently acquired the 28-75mm f2.8 tamron and it’s a beast of a lens at a fraction of the price!
Thank you to you and your beautiful model for a very helpful video. I will purchase the Sigma adaptor and see how I get on with my Canon 70-200mm f2.8 IS mkii on my Sony a6000.
Chris Severis i have moved from nikon (D80) to canon (7d for the video) then back to nikon (d800) then to sony a6500 (current camera) I needed 4k, continues autofocus and a lighter camera I’m happy with the camera itself but not the lenses
Great video and good comments/tests. Really useful! On this exact setup using the 70-200mm, have you noticed any unability to focus on video mode, even manually? Trying to narrow down my problems, but neither my Canon 70-200 f4 IS or my 70-300mm f4.5-5.6 DO IS USM can reach focus at all when I go beyond ~130mm. It's worse than a soft focus, the image is almost unusable, specially when doing 120fps@1080p. Really annoyed about this, because the pictures you took @200mm are perfectly focused and sharp.
Christian Reid what lens adapter are you using ? I had no problem in photo mode but the af is in video doesn’t do continuous with Canon lenses (it works fine with sigma lenses) Manual focusing isn’t a problem in either modes.
Sigma MC-11! Just like yours. Firmware 1.12 It's the image itself that doesn't get sharp enough. I can see that the focus distance is right, and also what should be in focus and what should be out-of-focus (depth of field is clear), but nothing is actually good in the frame (above ~130mm). Both lens are clean, clear, just a variable ND filter that I use on other lenses with no problems, and yet, no good images are achieved. Oh, and auto-focus is totally lost! Haha.
No. Just the telephoto ones that reach above 120-130mm. I've actually found your video while browsing for a problem like mine, because you reviewed the 70-200mm. The image is fine on the 85mm f1.4, 24-105mm f4, 50mm f1.4...it is strange indeed. I don't think it's a lens problem either, because it happens with both 70-200mm and 70-300mm. I'll try to look further into it, see if something comes up. P.S.: Subscribed to your channel and followed on Instagram! Good info and great content! Congrats!
Aliux Saavedra Cantellano it might be down to the camera that you are using. The a7rii has a very old focusing system. I was using the a6500 which is lightyears ahead of the a7rii
chris_zueger I KNOW ! it’s a shame ! I really wish that someone would find the right formula. But so far the sigma Art seem to be the only one that have a working continues AF :(
Duncan Dimanche I’ll be making a video soon on the mc-11 focusing on the sigma lenses for filming. Would appreciate if you swing by and leave me a feedback to improve my reviews 💪🏻
chris_zueger awesome ! Yeah just leave me a link when you do so on here and i’ll check it out. Don’t forget to test out the different af tracking speed
Hi there ! did you watch the video ? The autofocus with the sigma lenses is horrible because it uses Contrast AF... I shot a wedding with the sigma art 35mm f1.4 and it was a disaster....
Duncan Dimanche i watched the video and u r wrong It uses both. And in my case... Sigmas work better. And in others people too... Maybe u should upgrade the firmware of ur sigma adapter... After last update... Sigma adapters work as good as native lenses. Give it a try to the new firmware ;)
the problem with sigma lenses you cannot choose which AF system. The camera sometimes shoots with Contrast AF and sometimes it uses phase detection. So if you can select it with the new firmware then It's awesome and i'll update my review
I have to ask my friend again for her lens cause I did not want to keep it. But can YOU tell me if you have the choice to choose from either AF system with your Sigma lens ?
Bonjour en français cela donne quoi ? J'ai un A7 III cette bague va me faire perdre quoi ? j'aurais voulu l'utiliser avec objos canon et avoir la mise au point sur l'oeil automatique , ce n'est pas possible ? merci pour la réponse
Gaetan Habrand hello. Tu va perdre la mise au point en continue si tu shoot en rafale. Tu perds aussi la mise au point sur l’oeil. Le dernier adaptateur metabonne te donnera la mise au point sur l’oeil par contre avec les canon et ton a7iii. Mais il coute 300euros il me semble.
Marco Blondus it should work but if you don’t have an adapter yet you should get the metabonne version cause you will also get eye detection. But not sure about the version 1 of the 70-200 though...
Gavin Shen i’m not sure about Tamrons. They should work the same as the Canon but I haven’t tested them out. I sold my 24-70 before I got the adapter:(
Ken Hu Well that is what I have found with my sigma adapter... I went to B&H to talk to a Sigma salesman and he seemed very surprised of my « findings » and he said that it is not normal. So I will have to do a few more tests but I tried 3 sigma art lenses that are suppose to work with the mc-11.
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Hello Duncan, tanks for the video and testing the adapter with that phasetetection AF. I tryed out my lenses with my A6500 and MC-11 (FW 1.08). Here are my results: rather old Canon 70-300mm (4-5.6 IS USM)=Phasedetection available. It feels snapy but its old and rumbles a bit while focusing. Older Sigma 30mm 1.4 (Mark I, Canon EF Mount) = Phasedetection available. It feels very snapy and fast, even at low light difficult structures. It is my fastest adapted lens. Sigma 18-35mm 1.8 Art= no Phasedetection. It works but slow. It is like you said a shame on Sigma, that the newest best lens(es) did not support fast AF. It is annoying. Now I am not shure if I want to replace the old Canon 70-300 with a native Sony 70-200 f4 or a used Canon 70-200 2.8. It is the same price range.
maccooley70 yeah old lenses will be slower and noisy.
But remember that sigma designed it to work with certain sigma lenses. So we should be happy that it works with Canon lenses.
I tried the sigma 18-35 and it seemed decent if AF in photo mode. The problem is that sometimes it will choose the phase detection and sometimes it will choose contrast af and you have no control over that.
I would also consider the canon 70-200 F/4. Much smaller but great and sharp
thx for your replying!
maccooley70 you are very welcome !
HI Duncan thanks for the review, I've got very decent shot experience and snappy AF with my Sigma Art 35 1.4 and Sony A7 III , Maybe a firmware update?
Eric Touati hi there !
I have done new testing with new firmware updates but I still can’t really get it right with the sigmas nor the Canon. Lol
But it seems that the A7iii performs way better than any other Sony cameras. My A7riii does an ok job
Hey, at 4:53 the reason you were missing shots is because you can't have the camera is AF-S shooting a moving subject. Camera should have been in AF-C
excellent review! informative and fun to watch too! cant understand how you have 2k subscribers with this quality! was interested in the 70-200mm lens and found the perfect video! would you be able to try with sigma 70-200mm 2.8 lens? trying to find the cheapest way to get a 70-200mm 2.8 for the sony a7ii
Farabeats cheers mate !
I really enjoy making those types of videos and yeah I do wish that I had more followings haha cause those videos takes a lot of time to make but life is tough !
I might be able to do that but not before a few months. I talked to one of the head guys at B&H and they will let me borrow what even I want once I get back to the US ;)
I’m just worried that the sigma will act like other sigma and not have the control of what AF it uses like the Canon’s have :Phase detection AF.
I would go for the tamron version if I were you. Even the first vr version was great. Unless you are shooting videos and in which case you want to go with a sigma
haha i used to make videos too but there is so much that goes on behind it! all the shooting lighting etc and not to mention editing and to see so little following! but i am sure with your quality you will go very far! i usually dont comment of videos but i had to let you know how incredibly well put together your videos are!
Farabeats thanks man I really appreciate it ! And yes you have to have made a video like that to know how much time and effort are put into them :)
I’m glad that you found this useful !
Have a good one !
Great review, thank you Duncan
T Khuram cheers mate !! ❤️
Nice review! I am using mc-11 with a 50mm f1.8 its not that great. I am considering to get the 70-200 f2.8 Is. Also how did you record your video off the camera???
Benjamin Lu yeah it works better with the newer lenses usually. But it is very unpredictable/unreliable. I recently shot with t and the 85mm canon and I had so many photos out of focus.
The more I use this adapter the less I like it.
I used the blackmagic video assist monitor. It has an sd card slot to record via hdmi ;)
Duncan Dimanche yes I may need to reconsider and just save up for the Sony 70-200 f4... haha. I’ve recently acquired the 28-75mm f2.8 tamron and it’s a beast of a lens at a fraction of the price!
Good work man .....the review is fantastic !!!
CHEERS !!!!
Thank you to you and your beautiful model for a very helpful video. I will purchase the Sigma adaptor and see how I get on with my Canon 70-200mm f2.8 IS mkii on my Sony a6000.
Chris Severis yeah that’s an amazing combo ! Huge but great !
You are very welcome ! Haha and yes she is beautiful
Duncan Dimanche May I ask, have you moved from Canon to Sony? I am seriously considering the switch.
Chris Severis i have moved from nikon (D80) to canon (7d for the video) then back to nikon (d800) then to sony a6500 (current camera)
I needed
4k,
continues autofocus
and a lighter camera
I’m happy with the camera itself but not the lenses
Great video and good comments/tests. Really useful! On this exact setup using the 70-200mm, have you noticed any unability to focus on video mode, even manually? Trying to narrow down my problems, but neither my Canon 70-200 f4 IS or my 70-300mm f4.5-5.6 DO IS USM can reach focus at all when I go beyond ~130mm. It's worse than a soft focus, the image is almost unusable, specially when doing 120fps@1080p.
Really annoyed about this, because the pictures you took @200mm are perfectly focused and sharp.
Christian Reid what lens adapter are you using ?
I had no problem in photo mode but the af is in video doesn’t do continuous with Canon lenses (it works fine with sigma lenses)
Manual focusing isn’t a problem in either modes.
Sigma MC-11! Just like yours. Firmware 1.12
It's the image itself that doesn't get sharp enough. I can see that the focus distance is right, and also what should be in focus and what should be out-of-focus (depth of field is clear), but nothing is actually good in the frame (above ~130mm). Both lens are clean, clear, just a variable ND filter that I use on other lenses with no problems, and yet, no good images are achieved.
Oh, and auto-focus is totally lost! Haha.
Christian Reid oh very strange ! Mine were fine.... i’m not sure what is going on with your adapter. Is it doing the same thing with all your lenses ?
No. Just the telephoto ones that reach above 120-130mm. I've actually found your video while browsing for a problem like mine, because you reviewed the 70-200mm.
The image is fine on the 85mm f1.4, 24-105mm f4, 50mm f1.4...it is strange indeed.
I don't think it's a lens problem either, because it happens with both 70-200mm and 70-300mm.
I'll try to look further into it, see if something comes up.
P.S.: Subscribed to your channel and followed on Instagram! Good info and great content! Congrats!
HI great review . What do you think would be the best adapter if I am getting Tamron G2 lenses for my Sony A7rii ? Thanks
Debasish Das probably the sigma mc-11 if it acts like the canon (and it should)
Can I use MC-11 adapter on Sony a6400 with canon 70-200mm f4 lens?
Film World yes of course !
@@DuncanDimanche-sreview thanks a lot for your time to clear my doubts
Can you please tell me if the adapter is te SA-E version or the Canon EF-E version?
Imadi Estudio Creativo EF-E ;)
How can I get the full black box and more focus points? In my sony a7II the black box is smaller and less focus points, what I'm missing?
Aliux Saavedra Cantellano it might be down to the camera that you are using.
The a7rii has a very old focusing system.
I was using the a6500 which is lightyears ahead of the a7rii
Perfect video brother 🙏🏽
Maxime Demosthenes thanks man !! Much appreciated !!
Very helpful Video Thanks Duncan! Bummer that the Canon lenses are not working as good in video mode as in photo mode
chris_zueger I KNOW ! it’s a shame ! I really wish that someone would find the right formula.
But so far the sigma Art seem to be the only one that have a working continues AF :(
chris_zueger and thanks for your kind comment ;)
Duncan Dimanche I’ll be making a video soon on the mc-11 focusing on the sigma lenses for filming. Would appreciate if you swing by and leave me a feedback to improve my reviews 💪🏻
chris_zueger awesome ! Yeah just leave me a link when you do so on here and i’ll check it out.
Don’t forget to test out the different af tracking speed
sigma mc-11 is ment to be used with sigma lenses, try it with sigma lenses and u will see u never miss a focus!
Hi there !
did you watch the video ? The autofocus with the sigma lenses is horrible because it uses Contrast AF...
I shot a wedding with the sigma art 35mm f1.4 and it was a disaster....
Duncan Dimanche i watched the video and u r wrong
It uses both. And in my case... Sigmas work better. And in others people too... Maybe u should upgrade the firmware of ur sigma adapter... After last update... Sigma adapters work as good as native lenses. Give it a try to the new firmware ;)
the problem with sigma lenses you cannot choose which AF system. The camera sometimes shoots with Contrast AF and sometimes it uses phase detection. So if you can select it with the new firmware then It's awesome and i'll update my review
Duncan Dimanche please update it and then tell me :) you will see
I have to ask my friend again for her lens cause I did not want to keep it.
But can YOU tell me if you have the choice to choose from either AF system with your Sigma lens ?
Bonjour en français cela donne quoi ? J'ai un A7 III cette bague va me faire perdre quoi ? j'aurais voulu l'utiliser avec objos canon et avoir la mise au point sur l'oeil automatique , ce n'est pas possible ? merci pour la réponse
Gaetan Habrand hello. Tu va perdre la mise au point en continue si tu shoot en rafale. Tu perds aussi la mise au point sur l’oeil. Le dernier adaptateur metabonne te donnera la mise au point sur l’oeil par contre avec les canon et ton a7iii. Mais il coute 300euros il me semble.
Gaetan Habrand et tu perds aussi la mise au point en continue en video avec les objectifs Canon
Re bonjour Duncan , je me trompe ou dans cette video la personne prouve que cela fonctionne bien ?? ruclips.net/video/QfFxbFJ9jdM/видео.html
Oui c'est avec les nouveau appareil A7iii et A7riii ! Et des mises à jours du Sigma mc-11 et de leur objectifs ! C'est une good news
Great work, thank you. I guess i'll be keeping my C70-200 :D
Thanks, a question, i'd like buy a 70-200 2.8 not IS with mc11 on my 7r3? will work?
Marco Blondus it should work but if you don’t have an adapter yet you should get the metabonne version cause you will also get eye detection. But not sure about the version 1 of the 70-200 though...
ok, with a mc11 and canon 70-200 2.8 is is better? I have a mc11 with a sigm art
not sure what you are asking bro :)
70-200 with mc 11, do IS working?
Bodin Kosakanun yes ! Affirmative ! It works
Have you tested the autofocus in video mode?
Sébastien Sutter yes and it's non existent:(
You only get terrible single af and no continuous af
So bad... Thanks to your reply!
Sébastien Sutter With the sigma 18-35 f1.8 AF-C in video mode it's amazing. Absolutely flawless
Greg yeah the sigma lenses works really well in video mode in C-AF
Which camera are you using?
Benjamin Lee sony a6500
I would assume the other different canon 70-200 would do the same good job ?
Kai Liu yes correct ! I have tried many canon lenses and they all performed well ;)
what about third parties like Tamron 70-200? I know canon USM works fantastic
Gavin Shen i’m not sure about Tamrons. They should work the same as the Canon but I haven’t tested them out. I sold my 24-70 before I got the adapter:(
okay thx for the video btw, very informative and straight forward
Gavin Shen you are very welcome !
Where is this place? thank you
hi there ! Search for Palais Royal in Paris France. it is right next to The Louvre
Lol how you gonna say it sucks with Sigma lenses in the description but it was made specifically for Sigma?
Ken Hu Well that is what I have found with my sigma adapter... I went to B&H to talk to a Sigma salesman and he seemed very surprised of my « findings » and he said that it is not normal. So I will have to do a few more tests but I tried 3 sigma art lenses that are suppose to work with the mc-11.
Duncan Dimanche oh ok, probably a faulty adapter. Glad you tried different lenses, hopefully they can resolve your issue.
Everything works way better on the A7iii and A7riii and with the new Sigma mc-11 upgrade I will do further testing
Hey, at 4:53 the reason you were missing shots is because you can't have the camera is AF-S shooting a moving subject. Camera should have been in AF-C
which sony camera you were using?
never mind, a6500 i got it
yes that is correct ;)
Canon lenses with the A6500 are great !