I love this guy. Three years ago, “he’s over 308”. A couple of months ago, he’s back to being a 308 guy, with the new sig SBR. I love seeing the evolution.
20" is actually on the short side for a round like the 6,5 Creed but goes with the bullpup concept. With a full 24" pipe, depending on a given load, one can easily except 120fps more MV. With cartridges like the 6,5x55 Swede, .30-06 and the hottest .308's bring out the most after 26". No free lunches in physics.
@Brian W exactly, there's no reason to go longer than 18 inches with 308 or 6.5 unless you're trying to hit paper 2000 yards away it's velocity is well within acceptable/good range at 1000 yards and in, though I personally tend to only like 308/6.5 within 700, anything past that and I prefer a larger "sniper" round like 338 Lapua, 338 Win Mag, the Cheytac rounds, etc... that have both the velocity and mass to work well that far
If anyone is wondering that’s a British issue soldier 95 Field jacket. The tactical recognition flash is Royal Air Force and the small Velcro patch underneath is for the Expeditionary Air Wing Tab.
6.5 Creedmoor can be had for $.51 a round. If you want to shoot something other than Tula 308, you'll spend $.45 a round on military surplus. If you want commercial 308 like MagTech that will run you $.48 a round. The next budget 308 is Armscor at $49.5 a round. If you buy .308 to shoot at dirt clods in the country side, Tula is fine. If you want to shoot something halfway decent then you're going to spend as much on .308 as you are 6.5CM. If you're on a budget though, 308 isn't going to be your best choice either. You might want to stick with .223 or something more affordable. If you're looking for a deer caliber, 6.5CM doesn't cost any more than a good hunting .308 but it gives you superior performance. That's why so many people are moving to 6.5CM.
@Chris Indermuehle Yes, you have a heavier bullet. Everything is a tradeoff. I've found that 6.5CM is capable on animals like Nilgai where .308 is marginal. Why? 6.5CM digs in deeper to the vitals on that huge well protected animal. I know a great shooter who recently went on a Nilgai hunt with a .308. He made a perfect shot, but the animal lived to run 900+ yards and it took them two days to find it. That same shot with a 6.5CM would have ended differently, IMHO. I will hunt anything in North America with a 6.5CM, I can't say that about .308. Everyone has their preferences though. I love my .308 military rifles. A M14 in 6.5CM would be blasphemous. But if I'm going to pick a caliber today for practicality for what I do with rifles, .308 would be behind 6.5CM.
@Military Arms Channel If sectional density is such a factor that going from 7.62 to 6.5 is seen as a step in the right direction, would you adhere to the same rationale if the case being made was for 308 vs 338 federal then, in regards to effectiveness on game?
Great, more ways for me to part with my money! Thanks Tim, this could be the 6.5cm that I have been looking for. I have been looking to get in the 6.5cm market for a while. Great video.
I like where bullpup rifles are going, usually I'd just look at them and think they're neat as I'm primarily a lefty but being able to shoot one and getting to appreciate the form factor that way has changed my opinion.
@@Militaryarmschannel Please do, at your earliest convenience. To be honest, I would have loved the Atrax instead but that has been put at stop to. From what I can compare, the Tavor/x95 is more basic but was built to be a "military" use rifle, while the MDR(X) has more specialized features like dual ejecting sides and caliber changes.
Man the Atrax was a let down. Fricken... Lithgow..... I checked Brownells everyday for a month waiting on that stupid rifle and then some nutter ruined it for everyone....
@Usze 'Taham Right? You could have unbelievable force up close and the ability to move indoors pretty well and then boom, step out side and drop someone at 600-1000 yards or more.
You know my friend, we were there for the intro of the 6.5 cm and Grendel in AR platforms (about 8-9 years ago) and seen them fall flat on their faces, now look at the Creedmoor pushing aside the 308 as it was intended to do in the beginning. I guess I was wrong, it just took time to develop. I still love my ArmaLite AR 10....
"military grade" isn't exactly the most expensive designation to achieve. For 1800 to 2000 bucks in my opinion it should be at least military grade if not better especially if they are marketing it as such.
@@novajam1769 that's irrelevant, my statement is correct, they go with the lowest bid, if its between 2 companies that made it to that point in the process its the cheapest bid. You suggesting that they would use highpoint is your own stupidity
Ain't anything magical about the 308. It's .308 because we got hung up on .30 cal with the Krag. Back when we retired the Krag we should've gone 6.5 or 7mm. After all, what pushed us off the Krag was witnessing the 7mm Mauser in action. Considering that we seem to be lurching in that direction now, going there 120 years ago would've saved a lot of pussyfooting around, including hornswaggling NATO into the 7.62 and then 5.56.
I'm a prepper/survivalist. That said... Creedmoor's a good cartridge but the ammo is not readily available in a WROL scenario. You can get .223/5.56 and .308/7.62 just about anywhere
Well that is a cool thing about the MDR, it is easily convertible to 308 with just a barrel swap, and can be converted to 5.56 pretty easily as well with a kit. 2 year old comment, idk why i am replying.
i dunno man. im still loving the Kel-Tec RDB 5.56 bullpup. my gf and i love burning 5.56 all the time and shes right handed shooter and im a lefty. the RDB works great for us because its just so ambi without having to change anything around. its no precision rifle, but its great to be able to swap back and forth super easy between lefties and righties and i feel like the RDB has alot more potential than people really give it credit for.
@Military Arms Channel how does the case look after firing with a can? I had an AR10 in 6.5CM with rifle gas that would badly damage the case heads when shot with my Specwar 762 (cratering and deep ejector swipes). It is not until they started to do +2 gas and I picked up a 20in +2 gas barrel that the problem was fixed. I wonder how the MDR gas system handles the added pressure of the 6.5 and suppressor.
I’ve been checking out 6.5 creedmoor and 6.5 PRC there still pricey but man they hit hard and accurate, for those who haven’t heard of 6.5 PRC it’s creedmoor magnum big brother precision rifle cartridge
Any chance to test that forward eject, like some bumping it on hard objects, removing it and inserting it over and over again, some test for dust, but not anything brutal just typical stuff like throwing it on grass/dirt? Because every time I see it I have that feel that its just some plastic insert that will fall of after few years... its just look too small... :/
My MDR has well over 1K rounds through it (5.56). The ejection panels are solid steel and have no plastic on them. I used mine a couple months ago at a class at Front Sight, out in the desert just outside of Vegas Nevada and the winds were kicking hard on the second day. Dust was flying all over the place. Shooting prone got the rifle covered on the ejection port side, enough that I had to wipe it off when I got back up in the ready. Not one single failure, rifle worked flawlessly. We did have a couple of AR's fail though, it could have been the dust or just the rifle/ammo/shooter, not sure what the cause was. Overall, everyone was very impressed with the MDR.
Definitely gonna get the conversion once I have the money for the rifle. I'm going for 308 first though because I don't hunt. Just a range guy and 308 is almost half the price... for now. edit: tula can be had for $.24 a round as opposed to $.51.
Doesn't Tula only make steel casing? That stuff will fuck up your gun over time, its very dirty and doesn't burn as clean. My AKM that shoots Tula is always grime covered as opposed to my AR that shoots .223 brass.
Cool rifles, just not on my "anytime soon" list. Saw one at the range not too long ago, and it looked good. They owner seemed a bit frustrated. I didnt ask.
They also stated that the MDRX side eject model was to be a direct competitor to the X95. The MDRX-SE has a higher MSRP than X95, and you can get a used X95 now for 1.1-1.3k. I got mine for 1.2, and there is another in the same store right now for 1.1 in ODG. X95 is superior in 3 calibers; 9mm, 5.56, and 300blackout.
I love the x95, but it's not superior. The MDR comes in 4 calibers. It's basically brand new to the market and is already slowly coming down in price. So to try and compare prices on a new MDR vs a used x95 is disingenuous.
I compared the X95 new and the MDRX-SE and stated that the MSRP was higher on the DT than the X-95. Then stated that a used X-95 could be had for a good price, so why spend 2x the price when a used X95 is better than a new DT caliber for caliber. Maybe you misread my comment.
Better ballistics and stopping power than the 5.56, lighter than the .308 and more range than the. 300Blk.... In a bullpup? If its reliable, then its the perfect rifle for me.
If you have ar15 you should look into 6.5 Grendel you can buy wolf steel for pretty much the same price as plinking 223 and it has better trajectory than 308. Most underrated cartridge ever. The best intermediate cartridge.
Well, I was having a hard time deciding between the MDRX and the K&M M17s. As much as I like the simplicity of the 17s, heat is going to be a bigger issue than with the MDRX.
Does the 6.5 barrel have the 12 oclock cut for the large extractor? If not I'm done with DT. Love my Covert but the MDR not so much. Mine at least runs now. Recent service stepped up and hopefully it won't crack the frame holes again.....less than 200rds of factory 308 ball.
What do you think of the cissor action denting/ creasing the brass? Did NOT know about this being a nonreloadable rig when i ponied up for 223+ 308 FE Spartan Arms said DT response to damaged cases is a non issues as the book says not to use anything but nickel or brass factory loads. Not happy with there answer. 223 looks like it is being stabed with an ice pick. Do you get this damage as well? So far ive got 40 ice picked ,30 brass (2nd kit with 200 rd 308 brakingin action before this one arrived)) 30steal on 1st kit . It was sent back to DT for ice pick and liping the cases some times ripping the mouth ⅛to³/¹⁶ tord the sholder.
How has the durability been? I've read the polymer cracks and a bunch of other issues. I heard they updated the operating system so that shooting was more reliable but I'm concerned with physical durability too...like the X version?
I'm pretty giddy about this setup for sure. Let's see how I feel in a year after I've gotten some hunts under my belt. I really want to go prairie dog hunting with it to see how it performs. Thank you for the support!
6.5 Creedmoor can be had for $.51 a round. If you want to shoot something other than Tula 308, you'll spend $.45 a round on military surplus. If you want commercial 308 like MagTech that will run you $.48 a round. The next budget 308 is Armscor at $49.5 a round. So yeah, 6.5 Creedmoor is a real check book crusher. 😂If you buy .308 to shoot at dirt clods in the country side, Tula is fine. If you want to shoot something halfway decent then you're going to spend as much on .308 as you are 6.5CM.
@@ACGBLR If you're worried about the cost of ammo, I doubt you'll shoot 3k of either anytime soon. As for the MDR, it takes me 2 minutes to swap a barrel. Even as much as I shoot it will take me years to shoot 3-5k out of my MDR.
@@ACGBLR I don't have to push anything, I am stating the facts. Go get pricing, you'll see there is very little cost difference in the ammo. You can dispute it all you like, but it doesn't make it any less true.
@@Militaryarmschannel I don’t think it’s so much the cost difference in ammo which is negligible in my opinion but the cost of replacement barrels which are $539 (from Desert Tech’s website)and you’ll have to replace the barrel 2-3 times in a 6.5 Creedmore for 1 .308 barrel. I’m not saying it’s not a good caliber or gun I just don’t have a need for it.
I have a shooting question. When you are shooting long distance I notice that you don't wrap your thumb around the grip, is there a reason that you don't? Thank you in advance.
It can negatively affect precision shots with thumb wrapped around supposedly. I've never tried it so wouldn't know personally, but enough people do it that it must make a difference to them.
Any tips advice or a link to trying to figure out if my. 308 mdr has all the upgrades or not. First time out I had a stuck case albeit didn't rip the rim.
I guess it depends on what you're trying to accomplish but I've been using 7mm Rem Mag for a very long time. For my intended use, hunting, it shoots faster, it runs flatter, and it hits harder than 6.5 Creedmore. 6.5 is the solution to the problem I never had.
@@coldboremirakle in what way? Granded in 6.5 creedmore, the MDR appears to be sub 1MOA, but the M17s is a 1MOA as far as I can tell. The MDR is rather heavy, the M17s is lighter. Now I know they don't have a 6.5 offering. My question is why are they in different leagues? One appears to be para-military, the other is purely civilian, but does that make a different league in terms of performance (over all)? I don't know.
@@coldboremirakle no. I get that. I was trying to figure out how they shoot, feel, not a feature by feature comparison. Quality of build, that kind of thing. It is not an apple to apple comparison, I get that.
How does it do with gas in the face? I like my AR, but after a mag or so at the local indoor range, my eyes are watering from the spent gas in my face.
What's better over all, the MDR or the Tavor/x95? They are both close enough in price and I want a modern bullpup to contrast with my Retro M16A1. Tavors go around $1.8k and the MDR starts at $2.2k on Gun Broker.
I went MDR, mainly because of the things said in this vid. I can just purchase a barrel and convert it from 308 to 6.5. I have a 5.56 right now and am working on getting a 6.5cm, I may just purchase a .308 conversion kit and another barrel and then I will have three calibers for my rifle without having to purchase multiple cases, optics, slings, etc. Super easy to practice with the cheaper 5.56 and then just switch out for the 6.5 or 308 for hunting. With the Tavor - you get one caliber and that's it.
@@manofchaitea6904 You'll be happy to know that after a year of window shopping, I got an MDRx. Have about 600rounds through and while it's fantastic it isn't duty ready.
@@Militaryarmschannel 704 Tactical type of stuff. The less expensive things for the everyday blue collar guy. I have ZERO use or interest in anything that collects dust in a safe or costs more than a few hundred dollars. Idk if you have enough subscribers interested in my kind of stuff to be worth it from your perspective, and if not that's, okay. I'll continue to support your channel (algorithm-wise), either way. As GunsandGadgets says, "support those who support us"
I wish I could shoot enough to get tired of any caliber! 🤷🏻♂️ Great video. I wish the IWI bull pups would find a solution for their accuracy issues. I hope to add the MDR to the safe one day.
most military guys that talks about Bullpup rifles appears to hate them... and it is not the "Bullpup" they hate about them, it is usually malfunctions and complexity and how delicate they are... in my mind, the companies should not stop trying! a company wants money so they usually abandon the idea quickly... tho if Desert Tech continues improving the rifle using the public as testing grounds, they can fix those bugs over time! not to mention militaries wants more and more out of guns and not all demands can be met all at once... a gun that never miss hot or cold that never jams and weights nothing... dream on!
There are bullpups out there that will smoke other military rifles in reliability. Rifles like the X95 are exceptionally reliable and several militaries use them for that reason. If you're talking about L85's then yeah, they suck. The French used the FAMAS for decades only to swap them out for 416's recently. However, they served quite well. However, most militaries still prefer conventional rifles... and I agree, they serve their purpose very well especially in conscript armies.
I have tried most of the major brands; MSA, Safariland TCI's, Walkers, Peltors (100,300,500,ComTac), Howard Leights, etc. and I choose to go with those you see in the video. I'm wearing ComTac Peltors. They are comfortable, have amazing electronics and unlike my MSA's and TCI's they haven't failed yet.
Have you had a chance to shoot 6.5 PRC? Just curious if the additional velocity would make a difference on 1100 yard steel. Have my eye on a Bergara. Thanks
I haven't. I stick with calibers I can buy off the shelf. If I have to load for it, I don't use it... I just don't have the time anymore. I have 3 presses though!
I pine for the US bullpup that never was the *lithgow atrax...* Since that is not going to be available, I guess the Tavor or X95 will have to do. From what I have seen, the main differences are the control group, except that some people reported accuracy issues with the X95. Anyone else have any info? Or experience with both?
Both rifles, the Tavor (now discontinued) and the X95 are military accuracy with ball (about 3 MOA). They're not precision tools just as the M4 rifle isn't. The MDR and even the Tavor 7 are better suited to getting to 1 MOA with factory match ammo. Thanks for the support!
i just play tarkov. i'm not a gun nut. but IRL, when you say a "20 barrle, does that include or not include the suppressor on the end? i know that you have an extended handguard which is kind of screwing up my brain on whether it's 20" without the supressor.
i would like to know although you may have already answered and i don't see it i seen lot your videos about how much you love your Tavor but i was wondering what weapon do you prefer? do you like the X95 or the MDR more? if I get a answer thank you for the help brother
"not military rifle,...I've always thought of it as a hunting rifle". Meanwhile,....my mind went immediately to the short story "The Most Dangerous Game", but I digress....
@@Militaryarmschannel Do they still use polymer for the MDRX handguard/does it still move enough that it's not worth mounting sights on the polymer handguard?
Action is only a couple inches different from conventional rifles. If your ear protection doesn't protect you with a bullpup, you need better ear protection even when shooting a conventional rifle.
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I love this guy. Three years ago, “he’s over 308”. A couple of months ago, he’s back to being a 308 guy, with the new sig SBR. I love seeing the evolution.
Master Chief called, he wants his battle rifle back.
Looks more like a DMR imo
I want it back too
Hardly a Battle rifle.
🤣😁🤣😂🤣
the battle rifle in halo IS a DMR, and i agree with op 100%
8:40 That's pretty neat being able to see the shockwave of the bullet travel to the target.
20" is actually on the short side for a round like the 6,5 Creed but goes with the bullpup concept. With a full 24" pipe, depending on a given load, one can easily except 120fps more MV. With cartridges like the 6,5x55 Swede, .30-06 and the hottest .308's bring out the most after 26". No free lunches in physics.
@Brian W exactly, there's no reason to go longer than 18 inches with 308 or 6.5 unless you're trying to hit paper 2000 yards away
it's velocity is well within acceptable/good range at 1000 yards and in, though I personally tend to only like 308/6.5 within 700, anything past that and I prefer a larger "sniper" round like 338 Lapua, 338 Win Mag, the Cheytac rounds, etc... that have both the velocity and mass to work well that far
16.5" with a can on the end works just fine for 6.5CM. Check out some videos by DMR Rifles in Las Vegas.
btw, 6.5 was used a century ago, Swedish, Italian, Finnland and others, yes is not exact the same, but it is not something really new
If anyone is wondering that’s a British issue soldier 95 Field jacket. The tactical recognition flash is Royal Air Force and the small Velcro patch underneath is for the Expeditionary Air Wing Tab.
i really like 6.5CM. ever since the first time i heard about it (was at the same time i got to shoot it) i fell in love with the round.
DesertTech has a real winner with the new improvements.
My pocket book is happy with 800 yards.
Especially when 25 yards is a personal accomplishment.
6.5 Creedmoor can be had for $.51 a round. If you want to shoot something other than Tula 308, you'll spend $.45 a round on military surplus. If you want commercial 308 like MagTech that will run you $.48 a round. The next budget 308 is Armscor at $49.5 a round. If you buy .308 to shoot at dirt clods in the country side, Tula is fine. If you want to shoot something halfway decent then you're going to spend as much on .308 as you are 6.5CM. If you're on a budget though, 308 isn't going to be your best choice either. You might want to stick with .223 or something more affordable. If you're looking for a deer caliber, 6.5CM doesn't cost any more than a good hunting .308 but it gives you superior performance. That's why so many people are moving to 6.5CM.
@@Militaryarmschannel Great info MAC!
@Chris Indermuehle Yes, you have a heavier bullet. Everything is a tradeoff. I've found that 6.5CM is capable on animals like Nilgai where .308 is marginal. Why? 6.5CM digs in deeper to the vitals on that huge well protected animal. I know a great shooter who recently went on a Nilgai hunt with a .308. He made a perfect shot, but the animal lived to run 900+ yards and it took them two days to find it. That same shot with a 6.5CM would have ended differently, IMHO. I will hunt anything in North America with a 6.5CM, I can't say that about .308. Everyone has their preferences though. I love my .308 military rifles. A M14 in 6.5CM would be blasphemous. But if I'm going to pick a caliber today for practicality for what I do with rifles, .308 would be behind 6.5CM.
@Military Arms Channel If sectional density is such a factor that going from 7.62 to 6.5 is seen as a step in the right direction, would you adhere to the same rationale if the case being made was for 308 vs 338 federal then, in regards to effectiveness on game?
@@Militaryarmschannel I know a good hunter that had the same happen with a 300 Winmag.... Some animals are just freaks
BIG QUESTION :
THIS GUN OR....YOUR SCAR IN 6.5?
You only have one to hunt & target shoot with, what would you prefer?
This. I have no use for a SCAR in 6.5CM... yet.
This one. I have the SCAR in 308. I’d rather have this one in 6.5
That is totally amazing, I love those heavy steel plates way down range, even a rifle size hostage plate!
They are a lot of fun to shoot at.
Great, more ways for me to part with my money! Thanks Tim, this could be the 6.5cm that I have been looking for. I have been looking to get in the 6.5cm market for a while. Great video.
I just hopped on the 6.5 CM bandwagon; built literally my first rifle (AR-10) in this awesome caliber.
It is... I love it in AR's.
I like where bullpup rifles are going, usually I'd just look at them and think they're neat as I'm primarily a lefty but being able to shoot one and getting to appreciate the form factor that way has changed my opinion.
The MDR being completely ambidextrous is perfect for Lefties. You can swap to dedicated left handed eject in seconds without any tools.
2:56 well ok youtube... next thing they're gonna ban guns altogether and after that video games lmao
You could always break the rules blatantly.
RUclips is becoming like Facebook, a nanny state influenced by politicians.
Watching those rounds rip through the air to their targets was a treat, thank you for a great review!
Any reviews between the MDR and Tavor 7 in the works?
I can do a direct comparison when it warms up a bit in a month or so.
Military Arms Channel we would love to see that
@@Militaryarmschannel Please do, at your earliest convenience. To be honest, I would have loved the Atrax instead but that has been put at stop to. From what I can compare, the Tavor/x95 is more basic but was built to be a "military" use rifle, while the MDR(X) has more specialized features like dual ejecting sides and caliber changes.
Man the Atrax was a let down. Fricken... Lithgow..... I checked Brownells everyday for a month waiting on that stupid rifle and then some nutter ruined it for everyone....
Just not as realiable, Id never buy a rifle that the company pushed out half finished and fucked over tons of people with broken rifles.
Gonna get one for CQB.
Thanks!
@Usze 'Taham Right? You could have unbelievable force up close and the ability to move indoors pretty well and then boom, step out side and drop someone at 600-1000 yards or more.
You know my friend, we were there for the intro of the 6.5 cm and Grendel in AR platforms (about 8-9 years ago) and seen them fall flat on their faces, now look at the Creedmoor pushing aside the 308 as it was intended to do in the beginning. I guess I was wrong, it just took time to develop. I still love my ArmaLite AR 10....
I have about 6-7 semi and full auto .308s. I'll never buy another one.
.308 will always be something I have and shoot. But when I need to kill something a long ways out, I'll be taking my 6.5CM. 👍
556 burnout is why we've got 3 dozen different AR chamberings. For better or worse.
"military grade" isn't exactly the most expensive designation to achieve. For 1800 to 2000 bucks in my opinion it should be at least military grade if not better especially if they are marketing it as such.
Military grade is referring to it's durability.
@@weasle2904 And durability isn't free - you lose other characteristics to get it.
@j787023 1 cheapest bid is military grade
David if that’s all that matters to the military then I guess hi point should be the new service pistol
@@novajam1769 that's irrelevant, my statement is correct, they go with the lowest bid, if its between 2 companies that made it to that point in the process its the cheapest bid. You suggesting that they would use highpoint is your own stupidity
Ain't anything magical about the 308. It's .308 because we got hung up on .30 cal with the Krag. Back when we retired the Krag we should've gone 6.5 or 7mm. After all, what pushed us off the Krag was witnessing the 7mm Mauser in action. Considering that we seem to be lurching in that direction now, going there 120 years ago would've saved a lot of pussyfooting around, including hornswaggling NATO into the 7.62 and then 5.56.
I'm a prepper/survivalist. That said... Creedmoor's a good cartridge but the ammo is not readily available in a WROL scenario. You can get .223/5.56 and .308/7.62 just about anywhere
I'm with you. .223/5.56 is just easier to collect.
Well that is a cool thing about the MDR, it is easily convertible to 308 with just a barrel swap, and can be converted to 5.56 pretty easily as well with a kit.
2 year old comment, idk why i am replying.
@@jameskazd9951 LOL. Hey... we ALL gotta do our part to get facts out. Good man 👍
i dunno man. im still loving the Kel-Tec RDB 5.56 bullpup. my gf and i love burning 5.56 all the time and shes right handed shooter and im a lefty. the RDB works great for us because its just so ambi without having to change anything around. its no precision rifle, but its great to be able to swap back and forth super easy between lefties and righties and i feel like the RDB has alot more potential than people really give it credit for.
MAC: ... Thank you Federal.
Me: ... @#$& $0.60
I feel your pain.
MAC: "MDR is not a military rifle"
Desert Tech: *reeeeeee*
@Usze 'Taham once they solve reliability issues and have half the reliability of the X95.... How ever... Dam its a good looking gun...
Yeah too complicated to disassemble for a military rifle. Maybe good for elite units but this is no standard issue rifle.
@Military Arms Channel how does the case look after firing with a can? I had an AR10 in 6.5CM with rifle gas that would badly damage the case heads when shot with my Specwar 762 (cratering and deep ejector swipes). It is not until they started to do +2 gas and I picked up a 20in +2 gas barrel that the problem was fixed. I wonder how the MDR gas system handles the added pressure of the 6.5 and suppressor.
I’ve been checking out 6.5 creedmoor and 6.5 PRC there still pricey but man they hit hard and accurate, for those who haven’t heard of 6.5 PRC it’s creedmoor magnum big brother precision rifle cartridge
This gun will always be the halo dmr to me lol looks so similar
Def wanna see a IWI Tavor 7 vs. Desert Tech MDR(or MDRX) video for sure....
I will own one in FDE and .308 for sure with my Corona check haha.
The casual name for that reticle is the, "Hello Kitty" reticle. Look at it again, now you'll never un-see that :p
Any chance to test that forward eject, like some bumping it on hard objects, removing it and inserting it over and over again, some test for dust, but not anything brutal just typical stuff like throwing it on grass/dirt?
Because every time I see it I have that feel that its just some plastic insert that will fall of after few years... its just look too small... :/
It is solid steel, and after 10's of thousands of rounds, it still doesn't fall off.
My MDR has well over 1K rounds through it (5.56). The ejection panels are solid steel and have no plastic on them. I used mine a couple months ago at a class at Front Sight, out in the desert just outside of Vegas Nevada and the winds were kicking hard on the second day. Dust was flying all over the place. Shooting prone got the rifle covered on the ejection port side, enough that I had to wipe it off when I got back up in the ready. Not one single failure, rifle worked flawlessly. We did have a couple of AR's fail though, it could have been the dust or just the rifle/ammo/shooter, not sure what the cause was. Overall, everyone was very impressed with the MDR.
@@gamelord1000 Great to hear it!
@@DesertTechUT I love finding y'alls comments on videos and stuff, its neat to see yall actively engaged in social media
Definitely gonna get the conversion once I have the money for the rifle. I'm going for 308 first though because I don't hunt. Just a range guy and 308 is almost half the price... for now.
edit: tula can be had for $.24 a round as opposed to $.51.
Doesn't Tula only make steel casing? That stuff will fuck up your gun over time, its very dirty and doesn't burn as clean. My AKM that shoots Tula is always grime covered as opposed to my AR that shoots .223 brass.
Cool rifles, just not on my "anytime soon" list. Saw one at the range not too long ago, and it looked good. They owner seemed a bit frustrated. I didnt ask.
solid, nice trace footage!
They also stated that the MDRX side eject model was to be a direct competitor to the X95. The MDRX-SE has a higher MSRP than X95, and you can get a used X95 now for 1.1-1.3k. I got mine for 1.2, and there is another in the same store right now for 1.1 in ODG. X95 is superior in 3 calibers; 9mm, 5.56, and 300blackout.
I love the x95, but it's not superior. The MDR comes in 4 calibers. It's basically brand new to the market and is already slowly coming down in price. So to try and compare prices on a new MDR vs a used x95 is disingenuous.
I compared the X95 new and the MDRX-SE and stated that the MSRP was higher on the DT than the X-95. Then stated that a used X-95 could be had for a good price, so why spend 2x the price when a used X95 is better than a new DT caliber for caliber. Maybe you misread my comment.
@@TJack303 I think you misread my comment
I've had my eye on this one for a bit now
Better ballistics and stopping power than the 5.56, lighter than the .308 and more range than the. 300Blk.... In a bullpup? If its reliable, then its the perfect rifle for me.
If you have ar15 you should look into 6.5 Grendel you can buy wolf steel for pretty much the same price as plinking 223 and it has better trajectory than 308. Most underrated cartridge ever. The best intermediate cartridge.
How adout recoil at 6.5creedmoor?
I shot only 5.56mm in the army.
so I don't know how much recoil I have
Well, I was having a hard time deciding between the MDRX and the K&M M17s. As much as I like the simplicity of the 17s, heat is going to be a bigger issue than with the MDRX.
Does the 6.5 barrel have the 12 oclock cut for the large extractor? If not I'm done with DT. Love my Covert but the MDR not so much. Mine at least runs now. Recent service stepped up and hopefully it won't crack the frame holes again.....less than 200rds of factory 308 ball.
I'd love to see you test the MDR-X SE Side Ejection. Maybe that will give it the battlerifle reliability they wanted from the start...
The forward ejecting MDR has the same reliability as the SE.
Absolutely Not A Battle Field Rifle,.....Delicate Design..... Unfortunately.....
I love the look of it!
What do you think of the cissor action denting/ creasing the brass? Did NOT know about this being a nonreloadable rig when i ponied up for 223+ 308 FE Spartan Arms said DT response to damaged cases is a non issues as the book says not to use anything but nickel or brass factory loads. Not happy with there answer.
223 looks like it is being stabed with an ice pick. Do you get this damage as well? So far ive got 40 ice picked ,30 brass (2nd kit with 200 rd 308 brakingin action before this one arrived)) 30steal on 1st kit . It was sent back to DT for ice pick and liping the cases some times ripping the mouth ⅛to³/¹⁶ tord the sholder.
Check out the "ditches" the 6.5 is digging at 9.50 !
How has the durability been? I've read the polymer cracks and a bunch of other issues. I heard they updated the operating system so that shooting was more reliable but I'm concerned with physical durability too...like the X version?
8:20 Joker's famous "Hi"
I laughed.
I’ve really been looking into getting into the 6.5 for some time now, I think I’ve found it 😍
I'm pretty giddy about this setup for sure. Let's see how I feel in a year after I've gotten some hunts under my belt. I really want to go prairie dog hunting with it to see how it performs. Thank you for the support!
5.56, 7.62, 6.5 creedmore, maybe 300 blackout. Can I get mine in .280 or .303 British, or 50 Beowulf?
Nice shooting Mac! Great review!
Everybody aint sponsored by freedom munition so they can dump 6.5 all day 😂
6.5 Creedmoor can be had for $.51 a round. If you want to shoot something other than Tula 308, you'll spend $.45 a round on military surplus. If you want commercial 308 like MagTech that will run you $.48 a round. The next budget 308 is Armscor at $49.5 a round. So yeah, 6.5 Creedmoor is a real check book crusher. 😂If you buy .308 to shoot at dirt clods in the country side, Tula is fine. If you want to shoot something halfway decent then you're going to spend as much on .308 as you are 6.5CM.
If youve got the time roll your own. Pays for itself fairly quickly.
@@ACGBLR If you're worried about the cost of ammo, I doubt you'll shoot 3k of either anytime soon. As for the MDR, it takes me 2 minutes to swap a barrel. Even as much as I shoot it will take me years to shoot 3-5k out of my MDR.
@@ACGBLR I don't have to push anything, I am stating the facts. Go get pricing, you'll see there is very little cost difference in the ammo. You can dispute it all you like, but it doesn't make it any less true.
@@Militaryarmschannel I don’t think it’s so much the cost difference in ammo which is negligible in my opinion but the cost of replacement barrels which are $539 (from Desert Tech’s website)and you’ll have to replace the barrel 2-3 times in a 6.5 Creedmore for 1 .308 barrel. I’m not saying it’s not a good caliber or gun I just don’t have a need for it.
I have a shooting question. When you are shooting long distance I notice that you don't wrap your thumb around the grip, is there a reason that you don't? Thank you in advance.
It’s easier to get a better trigger pull that way
@@randompanda876 Thank you!
I'd like to pick one of these up! Where do I sign up to get in line?
hit our website or contact your dealer.
@@DesertTechUT Will do! Can you make sure mine shoots as good as Mac's? 🤣🤣🤣
@@TheOldFatDadGoober Sure!
@@DesertTechUT I've got an option to list a salesman in the order...any particular name?
@@TheOldFatDadGooberNo worries, I see you there, and I know who I am ;)
I so want this to be the best military rifle ever.
When you said 20" barrel I about dropped my $1200 phone. I can see it now, but my first guess would have been 18.
The 6.5 rounds are awesome
Why do you not wrap your thumb around the pistol grip when your shooting from the bench I’ve often wondered?
It can negatively affect precision shots with thumb wrapped around supposedly. I've never tried it so wouldn't know personally, but enough people do it that it must make a difference to them.
Excellent video mate. Like
Was hoping it would be a bit more tougher in rough conditions!
I like the how those are configured, makes more sense as a duty weapon, but no reason not to hunt with it.
Damn I wish that I had the money for an MDR.
Its tax season. Save up a bit then put it all together and buy it or get it on credit and dump a large chuncky payment so you can pay it off fast.
Any tips advice or a link to trying to figure out if my. 308 mdr has all the upgrades or not. First time out I had a stuck case albeit didn't rip the rim.
Very simple, give us a call and speak with our warranty dept. they can get you figured out.
Bullpups are great to see in action. MAC like to see you review the Jard J68 in 10mm.
I'll check into it.
I guess it depends on what you're trying to accomplish but I've been using 7mm Rem Mag for a very long time. For my intended use, hunting, it shoots faster, it runs flatter, and it hits harder than 6.5 Creedmore. 6.5 is the solution to the problem I never had.
That's like saying a Ford Mustang is competition to a Porsche Boxster.
Tim, what gas setting do you use for your Fed Premier GM 140 GR round WITHOUT a suppressor. Do you have the new 6 position gas setting? Thanks
Curious as how this compares with the K&M 17S bullpup?
It doesn't, they're not in the same league.
@@coldboremirakle in what way? Granded in 6.5 creedmore, the MDR appears to be sub 1MOA, but the M17s is a 1MOA as far as I can tell. The MDR is rather heavy, the M17s is lighter. Now I know they don't have a 6.5 offering. My question is why are they in different leagues? One appears to be para-military, the other is purely civilian, but does that make a different league in terms of performance (over all)? I don't know.
I meant Granted in 6.5, etc.
Damon Chesser does the KM switch from 308,6.5,556,300blk, etc?
@@coldboremirakle no. I get that. I was trying to figure out how they shoot, feel, not a feature by feature comparison.
Quality of build, that kind of thing. It is not an apple to apple comparison, I get that.
How does it do with gas in the face? I like my AR, but after a mag or so at the local indoor range, my eyes are watering from the spent gas in my face.
I run OSS, there is no gas in the face. 👍
6.5 is cool but I'm not a 1,000 yard marksman by any means, nor made of $. I'd like to shoot one someday though 😁
9:42 why did you blur your contacts just turn your phone off ot turn it so the screen is facing away from us but dont worry
What's better over all, the MDR or the Tavor/x95? They are both close enough in price and I want a modern bullpup to contrast with my Retro M16A1. Tavors go around $1.8k and the MDR starts at $2.2k on Gun Broker.
I went MDR, mainly because of the things said in this vid. I can just purchase a barrel and convert it from 308 to 6.5. I have a 5.56 right now and am working on getting a 6.5cm, I may just purchase a .308 conversion kit and another barrel and then I will have three calibers for my rifle without having to purchase multiple cases, optics, slings, etc. Super easy to practice with the cheaper 5.56 and then just switch out for the 6.5 or 308 for hunting. With the Tavor - you get one caliber and that's it.
MDR has a better trigger and more accurate.
@@manofchaitea6904 You'll be happy to know that after a year of window shopping, I got an MDRx. Have about 600rounds through and while it's fantastic it isn't duty ready.
Very few gun channels post vids that are of no interest to me, as often as you. But, you're very pro-2A, so I subscribe, like, and comment anyway.
Thank you. What is of interest to you? I don't mind diversifying. 👍
@@Militaryarmschannel 704 Tactical type of stuff. The less expensive things for the everyday blue collar guy. I have ZERO use or interest in anything that collects dust in a safe or costs more than a few hundred dollars. Idk if you have enough subscribers interested in my kind of stuff to be worth it from your perspective, and if not that's, okay. I'll continue to support your channel (algorithm-wise), either way. As GunsandGadgets says, "support those who support us"
@@randyemenhiser2573 Tactical and cheap are mutually exclusive.
@@xenonram so are cheap and inexpensive (in some cases)
@@randyemenhiser2573 Props for being honest and sticking to your convictions Randy. MAC, FWIW, I could dig some blue collar stuff too.
Ask them to make a 12.7x42 conversion.
How many times have you shot a deer at over 100 yards?
I've gotten kills just past 200 yards. I don't just use 6.5CM for deer. I use it for everything in North America from prairie dogs to Nilgai.
I wish I could shoot enough to get tired of any caliber! 🤷🏻♂️
Great video. I wish the IWI bull pups would find a solution for their accuracy issues. I hope to add the MDR to the safe one day.
The Tavor 7 in .308 is a 1" to 1.5" gun with match ammo at 100 yards. It's far more accurate the previous Tavors.
Military Arms Channel awesome. I hope they will offer something retro-fit upgrade for the SAR and X95.
How much WOULD you spend on the 6.5 ammo vs the 308? I am assuming three or four times as much, even for match grade...
Just for info, at sgammo 500 rounds of 308 s&b is $270 whereas for the same type of round from the same company 6.5 is only $230.
Match bullets are nearly identical price. People overlook the fact that 6.5 creed has been an established round for about 10 years now.
most military guys that talks about Bullpup rifles appears to hate them... and it is not the "Bullpup" they hate about them, it is usually malfunctions and complexity and how delicate they are... in my mind, the companies should not stop trying! a company wants money so they usually abandon the idea quickly... tho if Desert Tech continues improving the rifle using the public as testing grounds, they can fix those bugs over time!
not to mention militaries wants more and more out of guns and not all demands can be met all at once... a gun that never miss hot or cold that never jams and weights nothing... dream on!
There are bullpups out there that will smoke other military rifles in reliability. Rifles like the X95 are exceptionally reliable and several militaries use them for that reason. If you're talking about L85's then yeah, they suck. The French used the FAMAS for decades only to swap them out for 416's recently. However, they served quite well. However, most militaries still prefer conventional rifles... and I agree, they serve their purpose very well especially in conscript armies.
What ear pro do you use?
I have tried most of the major brands; MSA, Safariland TCI's, Walkers, Peltors (100,300,500,ComTac), Howard Leights, etc. and I choose to go with those you see in the video. I'm wearing ComTac Peltors. They are comfortable, have amazing electronics and unlike my MSA's and TCI's they haven't failed yet.
Military Arms Channel Where can you find them for a good price and can you find them on Amazon?
Blurring the cellphone makes my imagination go wild!
Have you had a chance to shoot 6.5 PRC?
Just curious if the additional velocity would make a difference on 1100 yard steel. Have my eye on a Bergara.
Thanks
I haven't. I stick with calibers I can buy off the shelf. If I have to load for it, I don't use it... I just don't have the time anymore. I have 3 presses though!
@@Militaryarmschannel totally understand. Reloading isn't a fav past time of mine but I need to.
Hoping Hornady won't be the only supplier.
Thanks.
Happy hunting! As always greetings from sunny and warm not hot but warm for this time of year sLOVEnia stay awesome two thumbs up from me!!
Thank you! Have a great day!
I pine for the US bullpup that never was the *lithgow atrax...*
Since that is not going to be available, I guess the Tavor or X95 will have to do. From what I have seen, the main differences are the control group, except that some people reported accuracy issues with the X95. Anyone else have any info? Or experience with both?
Both rifles, the Tavor (now discontinued) and the X95 are military accuracy with ball (about 3 MOA). They're not precision tools just as the M4 rifle isn't. The MDR and even the Tavor 7 are better suited to getting to 1 MOA with factory match ammo. Thanks for the support!
I think I can speak for everyone when I ask for a collection video? Make me jealous!
Rocking new ear protection?
Got some ComTec's to upgrade my 100 series. I have fallen in love with Peltor hearing protection.
@@Militaryarmschannel You should do a video on this, are they worth the $500 price tag?
What length was the .308 barrel you were using?
How do you measure your groups within .01 accuracy? Truly interested. Would make a good video. How to measure groups.
erozpl01 thanks for the feedback.
Someone already told ya. It's in the images I show with the measurement data but it's easy to miss.
Military Arms Channel thanks 👍
i just play tarkov. i'm not a gun nut. but IRL, when you say a "20 barrle, does that include or not include the suppressor on the end? i know that you have an extended handguard which is kind of screwing up my brain on whether it's 20" without the supressor.
i would like to know although you may have already answered and i don't see it
i seen lot your videos about how much you love your Tavor
but i was wondering what weapon do you prefer?
do you like the X95 or the MDR more?
if I get a answer thank you for the help brother
How precise is it? Pointless to have 6.5 CM if it can't be class accurate as it can be
Was that a .556 mdr with the turbo supressor ? Or does it with with 6.5 ?
great job, I liked it a lot, 👏🏽 I just left it like👍🏽
"not military rifle,...I've always thought of it as a hunting rifle". Meanwhile,....my mind went immediately to the short story "The Most Dangerous Game", but I digress....
I haven’t watched the vid yet but I just bought this gun. I hope it’s a good/positive video.
Oops, actually mine is the newer MDRX which I bought as a 6.5 creed
@@seanjohnfits Nice! I would like a MDRX. I hear I can update mine, but I really don't see a need.
@@Militaryarmschannel Do they still use polymer for the MDRX handguard/does it still move enough that it's not worth mounting sights on the polymer handguard?
Wow... early enough that no one has thumbs down yet....
The trolls aren't awake yet. 😂
Military Arms Channel Also gotta say that I’ve loved the looks of the MDR since I first say it (can’t recall if I saw it first here or in IV8888).
MAC, do you go minimum reset or full trigger travel for accuracy testing? I’ve been watching your yeti mitts and that rifle is to tight to tell.
I fully release the trigger.
I think all bullpups put the firing action to close to the ear. Headset, ear plugs not enough.
Action is only a couple inches different from conventional rifles. If your ear protection doesn't protect you with a bullpup, you need better ear protection even when shooting a conventional rifle.
The action isn't the problem. Traditional ears protect you just fine.
6:18 "Oh scissor me Xerxes!"
Why must you tempt me? Just got my tax return and now I really want to buy one!
6.5 creedmoor, 6.5 grendel, or 6.8 scp... (or spc... or whatever it is)
What is better?
@Roger Boyd see i want to make a "combat" gun, a shtf/go to hell and am trying to figure out what to chamber it in.
If you want to stay in an AR-15, go grendel. I like it but I use it almost exclusively for hunting. For anything else, I run 5.56.
I wonder if the barrel in 6.5 creedmore will be sold separately for the 308 scar 20s owners
Nice! Cheers from Ukraine😏