The .30-30: A useful fighting rifle?
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- Опубликовано: 11 апр 2024
- The .30-30 was designed as a hunting rifle load, not a fighting rifle cartridge. But, in a well-equipped lever-action rifle it can be an excellent self-defense cartridge for folks who don't live in a congested urban environment.
The tactical .30-30 lever action allows a rancher or farmer to have one rifle for anything from feral dogs to feral people
That’s quite true.
That's why there's an AR bouncin' around in the back with all the other "ranchy' stuff. But if I had to have a lever gun, I'd take it and happily
For feral people and urban primates yes, but why would you shoot a stray dog instead of rescuing it.
@@russellweber3466 We have had two folks killed in Northern Arizona from dog attacks and one child lost his arm. My father carried scars from a feral dog attack till he died
@@ftdefiance1 What and where and when? I have scars on both by forearms from trying to pull 2 of my dogs doing the wild thing off a female pitbull that was in heat that I took in that urban primates had abandoned in 2004.
My Dad had a very old 30-30 Model 94. He used it for ground hogs, bears, deer, elk, moose, and coyotes. We lived in Montana near Glacier National Park. Most of our meat came from that rifle. I wish I had that rifle.
They are easy to find.
I inherited a 30-30 a few years back. Just finished reloading its ammo. This thing is a hitter. Big power in a small package.
Another aspect that a lot of people neglect is the fact that some people cant afford multiple guns. So get a good deer rifle to put food on the table, and use it for home defense
30-30 has underestimated pop. Took a big whitetail buck at 260 yards 22 November 2005 here in Alberta. Williams FP receiver sight.
M94 Winchester carbine circa 1956.
The lever action 30-30 is a very powerful rifle in a small package. The round hits hard at 150 yards and in, so I wouldn't feel under gunned if that's what I had.
Useful fighting rifle? No, a useful everything rifle.
Folks on the frontier , homesteaders millions of them protected themselves their families and property, provided food using lever guns and they worked fine , my grandfather used one for years and years ! I started out with a model 94 Win for my first center fire in 30-30 to this day it’s still a fine cartridge!
When I started as CO at Stateville CC (near Joliet IL) in 1984 the 3 weapons in use were a Remington 870, 12 gauge, a S&W model 19, .38, and a Winchester Model 94, 30/30. The armory had Thompson SMG's in .45 cal.with 100 round drums, 50 round drums and 20 round stick mags.
Ahhhhh, the Thompsons! I wonder where those went. Now they have Mini-14's the last I heard.
A fixed 4x scope on a .30-30 is a very good combo for thick woods deer. Sitting with my son in a blind, a deer wondered in at about 50 yards...thick woods. We both had marlin .30-30. mine with eotech, his with a fixed 4x scooe. I could not find the deer through the eotech....the 4x scope dropped it within seconds.
30-30 is a great round. With a good rifle you know well and 60-100 rounds of ammo you have practice under your belt with, you are well armed for all but the most extreme cases.
Agreed
Some 30 years ago I worked a rural county as a Deputy. For some time I had a 12ga and 870 and a Winchester 94 in the rack of the squad. (An old Dodge Ramcharger the slowest vehicle I ever drove!)
My hunting buddy used to have Ramcharger V-6 ... what a gutless Mopar design, and I'm a Mopar guy.
Ramchargers are great, until you get on the highway! They can’t be beat off pavement though
Always check you lug nuts on a Ram. They love to try 4x4 with 3 wheels.
30/30 was the patrol rifle, before patrol rifles were cool!
Just found your channel and subscribed. I grew up around the .30-30 Winchester lever action and .44 Magnum, my Dad was an acquaintance of Elmer Keith in the early 60's when I got to meet him. All the deer I took in the 70's and early 80's were with a .30- 30. Even in the High Desert of S.E. Oregon and S.W. Idaho where long range shots are common I managed to take all deer at under 150 yards. My 16" Trapper carbine and my 20" fit perfectly on the top of the dash in my GMC and are great for a quick first shot speed and range The new Leverevolution by Hornady seem to work very well increasing velocity and range. I may take my old pre '64 Winchester out this year to see how well it works. Thanks for your video.
Thanks for your memories.
A carbine version would definitely be a great choice, but I’ve always had a soft spot for the trapper version since it is so handy. Your comments on peep sights are spot on and my 1894’s wear Lyman peep sights.
My Marlin 1894c in 357 is by far my favorite rifle. I have the Skinner sights front and rear on it. And yes, sadly my state is not 2A friendly. With my 63 year old eyes, hitting a pie plate at 100 yards is about the best I can do. I have no doubt that the gun is more capable than I am.
Hitting that pie plate at 100 yards should get you all the performance you need 99% of the time.
Yes, I am with you on these 30/30 rifles, as being a good fighting rifle for bad times.
Big believer in the 30/30 Win in a good lever gun. I have experience with both the Winchester and Marlin varieties. The Marlin is my go to 30/30 at the moment. It is in traditional wood, but has a rail and red dot. GREAT ranch and bush camp gun!! Nice video Dick!
I'm pretty much a Winchester guy (or the Browning copies), but the Model 94 isn't high on my list ... action is a bit herky-jerky, especially when compared to the butter-smooth 86/92. So, for a .30-30 size lever gun, I agree with you on the Marlin action.
For marlins I have a soft spot for the .35 remington.
I just came across a marlin 336 35 remington I love it @loquat44-40
I've got an old Savage Model 1899 in .30-30 with a 26" barrel...
anything that goes 1000+ fps is something I don’t want shot at me…….
Even less than 1,000 fps is effective. The rim fire .22 was originally developed as a self defense round. Guess what. It wasn't the LR. That came later. It was the Short!
Definitely the one cartridge/ rifle combination you can own. Especially if you just want or can afford only one good all rounder👌
I urge folks who want a good lever gun to haunt pawnshops! Older models turn up constantly for incredibly low prices. People think they need the latest Big Thing and get rid of Grandpa's old piece. Pre-1995 Marlins are simply superb unless the bores are rusty. IGNORE a little rust or scratches or beat-up wood! These are of better quality than most new ones, and are amazingly accurate. It is very easy to slick-up the action by gently rubbing the flat sides of the moving parts on a fine oil stone---stay away from the sharp sear edges! A rubber butt-pad soothes the recoil too. Be respectful of the pawn shop workers and do not sneer at their stock, but you can have success just by politely asking if they "have any room to come down on the price?"..........................elsullo
i inherited my grandfathers 35 cal remington pump rifle.. old but reliable.. loved it, people always assume its a shotgun..but its not..lmao
The 30-30 winchester is a grand old cartridge. I cant see any end to its usefulness.
I have a 30-30 Winchester I bought brand new in 2005. Great rifle.
Another valuable video! I really appreciate the 30-30s , for the reasons you state. I suggest it's a political mistake to popularize the 'tactical' levergun. Traditional models remain somewhat stealthy because they are 'cowboy' guns, not evil black rifles which disquiet the children and sheep. The 'tactical' lever guns ARE scary black rifles to the ignorati and will be legislated as such. And, those new restrictive definitions will then also come to encompass the traditional designs. Most ungood! Keep 'em traditional - and (quietly) train any way you desire!
you're right about "tactical." As soon as somebody puts on a picatinny rail, a flashight mount or red dot sight the snowflakes scream about assault weapons and machine guns. Keep it simple and low profile. And when karen or kennie come to your door looking for safety charge admission of 100 rounds of your preferred ammo - each.
The info you provided on better sights for the lever action is much appreciated.
Humans are deer sized animals, just sayin'....
There's a song from the Mexican Revolution called _Carabina .30-.30_ it's not about hunting rights.
Pancho Villa's favorite song.
I think you will find, with a fighting rifle, that the most important thing is the willingness of the operator to take another human life. Calibre and action are secondary. Always.
Whether you are talking warfare, law enforcement or self-defense ... stepping over "that" line defines us all.
Well said
I love lever action rifles and the 30-30 caliber, but with the lack of relatively inexpensive plinking ammo, I think that a ruger American Ranch or similar rifle in 7.62x39 is a better option. At least in these hard times you can still find ammo at 50 cents per round and enjoy my rifle in the range. 30-30 is all hunting ammo at 1.50 or more per round. So for the time being, I restrict my lever actions to 357 and 22lr
I live in a pro 2nd state (Texas) and I prefer my .357 pistol and 30-30 Winchester over the Stryker and AR guns.
Bringing home the nostalgia tonight. My old Winchester 94 "thutty-thutty" was my first rifle. I put a set of the Williams side mount peep sights on there and just like you said, took out the little ring a long time ago. I found it out to a hundred yards, even with just the ghost ring, the rifle was far better than the idiot behind the trigger. I sort of moved on from it I guess, although I still have it, but I haven't shot it in 25 years. For several years, at least in this part of Virginia, you couldn't find 30-30 for anything. I probably need to dust the poor thing off and run some lead down the barrel just to make it feel loved again. It's a good all-around rifle, but I suppose I just sort of got into more accurate and bigger calibers. But all that said, I would never sell it, too much sentimental value. One thing about that caliber, you can always tell it's a 30-30 by the sound, more than any other rifle (well, except maybe a 7x57; that has an extremely distinctive sound too). Great video, thank you!
Thanks for your memories.
My parents gave me one for Christmas in the early 70's when I was 12. Found the receipt a couple years ago - $67.00 at JC Penney. I still have it and use it.
@@ZekeRivers I'll give you double that amount today.
For those of us who grew up , and grew old with one of these, ( mine is a 94 ).
It can be quite accurate and deadly.
Like most of my contemporaries, I can shoot it in the dark pretty well and it stands as my nightstand , home defense firearm.
Funny you made this video this week. I just put a skinner peep and flashlight mount on my 94 trapper. Sick of constantly using different rifles all the time and finally decided to put most of my time in with the .30-30 for everything. Great do all gun for me. Thanks for the video
Sounds like you are well equipped.
Well done
I love the .30-30. I own a Henry Single Shot with a 2.5X scope on it. It also has back up iron sights. My other is a Rossi M95 trapper model. I have a peep sight on it and I have a detachable red dot sight. I used to have a Winchester Ranger Youth model. It was great for winter hunting. I would put on a heavy jacket and I could bring that rifle up and look through the aperture sight. That was a great boar and deer rifle. The tactical lever action rifles are nice looking but I go with simple. The Winchester 94 was made to be simple to carry and to shoot. Plus, using a traditional wood and steel rifle seems not to offend the snowflakes as much when it comes to self-defense situations.
Rossi makes a nice 336 pattern lever action chambered in 30 WCF now too for a good price. I think the 30 WCF is all that is needed for deer and black bear, etc. and is an excellent fighting cartridge in a lever gun. I have too many choices for fighting tools to mention. This would not be my first choice but I would feel well armed if its all that I had. And I love a good aperture sight being 62 now with eyes that just don't work as well as they used to. Another great vid - thanks Dick.
The lever evolution ammo really is a game changer, over 1,000 ft/lbs of energy out of a 30-30 at 300 yards, and relatively minimal drop/drift compared to the flat nose bullets. 30-30 is a fantastic round to shoot, has great power, minimal recoil.
Its a good ban state option. Not the best option out there but still solid.
It's been a useful rifle for the last 130 years. It is said to have killed more deer than all other calibers put together.
And the most people, both good and bad.
@@sharonrigs7999 That's not really true. There have been accidental shootings, but 30-30's have not been used extensively for criminal activity. They were used by law enforcement correction facility personnel however.
@bobclifton8021 I'm talking about the early days of the cartridge. Very end of the 19th and early 20th century.
As the only smokeless repeater in the country ( except the military Krag and Lee Navy) for years and by far the most common, the .30-30 was absolutely used by criminals and gangs. Keep in mind, that the .30-30 was capable of penetrating armoured cars ( Western Union ect) when blackpowder cartridges couldn't.
@@sharonrigs7999 It was designed as a hunting cartridge to go along with the Winchester 1894 lever action rifle. I believe you are thinking about a different cartridge, perhaps the 30-03, 0r the 30-06. They were both military cartridges.
@bobclifton8021 Yes. Of course it was designed to be the first commercial smokeless cartridge, primarily for hunting.
Anyway, I can't flog a dead horse any longer. Just do some research. The .30-30 was the ONLY smokeless option for a number of years. This made it highly desirable for cops and robbers.
FYI....the .308 and .223 were both initially sporting cartridges.
I’ve got a very nice 308 lever action savage 99c mag fed that was made in 1974. It’s a nice gun but I prefer my model 6 pump in 30-06, has a smoother action for sure and a little less recoil but that lever gun is a pound or two lighter. 22” barrels on both of them
Really injoying the channel by the way.
When 30-30 was cheap, I tried rebuilding a DPMS AR10 in it. I never could get a good magazine that held more than ten rounds in a single stack to work. It cycles well, and I could probably make it work now, with 3d printing.
Tacticool Guys: "30-30 as a fighting cartridge? Give me a break."
Mexican Revolutionary: "Señor, hold my cerveza, por favor."
:P
Winchester lever guns have been used in many wars.
@@loquat44-40 Yes sir. They were even used in aerial combat in World War I. :D
.30-.30s were used by british navy boat crews, french army couriers and u.s. forestry guards to protect lumber mills. The ol' fudd gun got around!
@@davidkermes376 It may be a fudd, but it was and is no dud. Most browning guns that got made can still be quite useful today when one can find ammo for them. .
I am a 20 yr USAF vet. Never could warm up to the M16/AR15 platform. I understand it's value but just don't LIKE it! I've got my 44 mag levergun and had .30-30s in the past. That's my comfort level!
Thanks for your service. The Air Force is almost like being in the military, isn't it? Just kidding.
@@lockloadwithdickfairburn-cr1jb The only military service that sends the officers out to die first.
@@lockloadwithdickfairburn-cr1jb😂😂😂😂
I like the core lock 150 gr
A peep is not faster than a buckhorn.
I disagree, and training many folks with both military peeps on the AR platform and ghost rings on cowboy guns, I've seen it demonstrated many times.
Thanks Dick. I love my 30-30. Looks like Henry in 2024 SHOT Show rolled out magazine fed lever actions. It started with 5.56 and 300 BLK. I'd imagine that in a few years they will have one in 308. That may be the perfect lever action. Small mag if hunting. Larger mag for home defense.
Remember folks. The aftermarket Williams Firesite front sight, is a full one third smaller than the Winchester M94 factory bead. Info.
Thanks😀
I have a Winchester made- Ted William Sears 30-30. My dad bought it in the early 70s when I was a kid. It's still in great shape. I will never part with it.
a lot of unlearned people kick the 30-30. oh it's good for about 100yd at best. Bs. through the years I've reloaded them and made good 200, 250,300 shots. and some luck up possibly 100yd shots
But I consider 100 200 yd no problem with my reloads and a scope . as a self defense fire arm it's wonderful, plenty of energy power, fast handling, reasonably accurate to very accurate. not I nail driver but in the hands of a good rifleman deer are in great jeopardy 100,200, 250gr yards.. it's all about shooting and finding your limitations. Papa 😊
1893 Marlin kicks ass
I really enjoy all of your videos. Please keep it up and don’t change anything. When you said in another video that you were going to make this one, I wanted to comment, I forgot to. I was gonna ask you if you could ,in the 30-30video, talk about for maybe just one minute ,the 32 special because that’s kind of confusing how very similar they are ,and I think they made the 32 special so that you could reload black powder easier, but I’d rather hear that from you. Thanks again for your good information.
I've had a nice Winchester Ranger since 1989.
I have a 26”, octangle barrel model 94. Replaced the front sight with a taller Marble sight with brass bead. Replaced the rear sight with a Marble folding sight, and added a Marble tang sight. I use the folding sight for 25 yards and the tang sight for 75-100 yards. Rubbing linseed oil into the stock and forearm will improve the looks of an old rifle, sometimes dramatically.
All of my Browning lever action rifles have had the hi-gloss polyurethane finish stripped off and replaced by multiple coats of TruOil to look more original.
Rossi now has their version of a 30-30 out, which I think is sub $1000. Worth looking at.
A good fighting rifle? The one you have at hand when the fight starts....
XS sights is a great company & I use their pistol sights exclusively on my defensive pistols. But for hunting I like the Skinner .090 serrated front sight blade. I paint the top quarter inch white but leave the top serration black. I've gotten close to one inch groups sighting in with that & a fairly narrow peep & take out the insert for a ghost ring to hunt with. The XS front sight is bigger & maybe slightly faster but I get my best accuracy with the narrow Skinner blade. The white/black contrast helps.
From my observation, the flat nose 30-30 bullets put game down as fast or faster than a 308 with the same weight pointed bullets moving faster. But the flat noses don't hold up as well at longer ranges. Irrelevant to me since I hunt wooded areas where 50 - 100 yards is about max. For that, the 30-30 is as good now as when it first came out.
Nice video with solid points. I am a big fan of the 30-30 lever action. I have three of them including one of the new Rossi R95 with 20" barrel. As to the peep sights I like them. My peep sighted guns have the bead front sights. I have them set so that out to around 75 yards whatever you want to shoot set it right on top of the bead. Out to 150 yards just put the bead on the target and the round will hit right behind the bead.
On the Rossi put a Vortex 2-7x32 scope on it the ballistic reticle to help with drop at longer ranges. I would have no problem depending on a 30-30 for a SD gun. I have ARs, SKS and a Mini-14 but really prefer my lever actions. For a lever in the house I would most likely pick my Marlin 357 with mid range loads. I really like that little gun.
I use a Browning B92 in .357 Magnum for my "house" gun.
300,yards,,o,hell,yes
The lever gun is a great tool no matter which you use my favorite is my Marlin both 357 or 44 mag, the others are great too the 30-30 included, my 45-70 is also quite good, the LPVO scopes are great sighting tools for the lever gun
You can really hookup a lever gun with Ranger Point Precision parts, if you wanted too. I use their rear peep on my 336c. Love it, it's quick, simple, robust and low profile. Love a lever gun!
Got a 30-30, 2ea 32 winchester special model 94's only problem is finding ammo locally.
Im waiting for the henry Supreme. Using stanag ar mags. Check em out. Its on my list.
Bond Arms is coming out with rifles based on a lever action AR lower. Initial offerings in the same calibers as the Henry Supreme. The look of the Bond gun is Old West meets Star Wars, which is kind of cool. More important to me, down the road they plan to produce it in 350 Legend and 450 Bushmaster, which would make it more practical since I live in an area with a straight walled cartridge rule.
I was curious about the new bullet weights and making the 30-30 a beast for anything while keeping the rifle The Rifle. Lighter and heavier bullet weights can really help it.
During W.W.2. the Winchester 30-30 was issued to p.o.w. prison guards, & sentries! And several police agencies and border guards, while it was never issued as a military rifle for overseas units, but it was used by a lot of civilian police agencys & civilian hunters have proved its usefulness for over 100 years!
The problem with 30-30 Winchester is that it can not be found on the shelves of gun stores . Even the gun stores that sell reloading components don't have round nosed or flat nosed bullets in stock . I reload and have a set of 30-30 dies but no brass or bullets . I also have a mould that casts 150 grain flat pointed bullets and a 1,000 box of gas checks .
I source most of my reloading components from mail order suppliers like Cabela's or Midway USA, few stores have a good selection on hand anymore, even Cabela's retail locations. If you are near a Scheel's store, they keep an excellent selection of powders, primers and other components on their shelves.
@@lockloadwithdickfairburn-cr1jb I live in Upstate South Carolina and there are no Sheel's stores in these parts . Thanks for your timely response , Sir .
At around 525 that's a model 92 with a aperture sight and they were not chambered in 30-30 they were chambered in the old pistol cartridges of the era 44-40,38-4032-20and 2520
I stated in the video that I do not currently have a .30-30. The 92 in the picture is a Browning 92, which they sold in the 1980's, made by Miroku in Japan, chambered for both the .357 Magnum and the .44 Magnum. I have one of each, custom modified by a late cowboy/outfitter buddy from Wyoming, with original Marble's tang sights and with the high-gloss Browning finish stripped off and oil finished.
@@lockloadwithdickfairburn-cr1jb I'm familiar with the Browning made by miroku and also the old Rossi pumas basically just copies of the model 1892 Winchester and like I stated the original Winchester 92s were chambered in pistol cartridges I was only commenting that the picture was not a 94 that it was a 92 that is all not looking for a argument or criticizing
I have found that the 160 grain Hornady had 8 in less drop at 200 yards than a 150 grand round nose
Yes
Check out the Rossi R95 in 30-30! You will want one! :)
All of my lever guns are set up with a Lyman flip up and a sou dough front.
Work great, don't they!
yep great video well summed up... In Canada we have some very poor legislation implemented .. a lot of us are switched to 357 leaver rifles now
I wonder whether the next "revolutionary war" will begin in Canada or the US ... you are a bit ahead of us in gun craziness.
@@lockloadwithdickfairburn-cr1jb we have 75 to 80 percent hate ... yes hate our current government in power .. no wonder they are disarming us
My shtf rifle is a Winchester m94 30-30. So there.
Good for you!
Hm...I'd rather have a .45-70 if I'm going with a lever action and looking for more power than the pistol calibers provide. Of course there are other options like the Savage 99, Browning BLR, and Henry Long Ranger all come in .308 and other modern full power rifle cartridges. There's the Winchester 88 too but that's kind of a collectors item now.
So within the span of 30 seconds I heard you say "A magnified optic on a lever gun just doesn't feel right," and then, "On my gun I have a flashlight/green laser combo so I have nighttime aiming capability." You can rationalize a laser but not an optic? Brass tube optics were in use even before the lever action was invented.
30-30 is a good round. For defense, I would think the 45 colt, 44 mag, or 357 would be much better. Cheaper ammo too. They can reach out 125 yds. They have even less kick than a 30-30 so that even a kid who flinches a lot won’t have any issues, possibly exception being the 44 mag. They have more capacity than a 30-30. And let’s face it, a 45 colt, 44 mag, or 357 round is great for defense in a revolver. Put them in a 16 inch barrel set up they are way more controllable, softer shooting, and dramatically increase their performance over a revolver. I can’t figure out why many defensive revolver folks act like a 357 is a fantastic defense round, but lever action guys act like it’s as appealing as a 22 for defense. If 357 is good for defense in a revolver when moving out of a 16 inch barrel it’s moving way faster and hitting way harder. It’s just that much better in a lever gun. And these rounds can double as hunting rounds too. A 44 mag out to 100 yards has no perceivable performance difference on the target than a 30-30. It’s only after 100 yards the 30-30 starts to outshine it. If you aren’t trying to engage targets beyond 125 yards, these rounds are viable. If you are using iron sights, both these rounds and 30-30 are likely limited to the same ranges anyways unless your eyesight is very good. I love the 30-30 as a hunting round, but it feels over powered for defense purposes to me. It’s like arguing if 22-250 or 308 are better for defense.
By the way, the leverevolution rounds are good and hard hitting, but they cycle clunky in my Winchester. When hunting I tend to drop in a leverevolution round into the chamber and load the tube with regular 30-30 rounds.
Great discussion. The .357 is an EXCELLENT self-defense carbine round. The .30-30 has a bit more reach and delivers more power at 100 and beyond. If someone already has a .30-30, I wouldn't get a .357 strictly for defense, the "dirty-dirty" can serve both roles.
Some day you may need to go on offense and the 30-30 has better chance of punching through helmuts or body armour than the pistol rounds.
My Winchester cant hit nothing with Leverlution pointed ammo. Drop in a 170grain roundnose and its on target . Its sighted in at 50yards off standard sights
It depends on what you mean by “fighting rifle.” If you mean ”fighting rifle” to mean any rifle in a decent sized caliber that can fire 5 or more rounds without reloading accurately, then yes, a .30-30 fits the bill. It will drop any animal. It’s perfectly good vs. a thug working with just entitlement issues and a stolen gun he barely knows how to use.
But if you’re anyone who’s been in the military in the past 30 years, “fighting rifle” means an AR or AK or equivalent rifle. One that’s intermediate or heavy(ish) caliber that’s semiautomatic, uses 20 or 30 round detachable magazines, and preferably uses modern optics. THAT’S a rifle you need in a fight with a determined foe with lesser or similar weapons.
A pickup truck is great for the farm and construction. But it’s got no place in a stock car race.
The primary place where a .30-30 shines as a potential fighting rifle is in states (like mine) where liberal politicians have legislated away their right to buy a proper fighting rifle. Or perhaps for folks with limited funds who happen to have grandads Winchester leaning in a closet.
@@lockloadwithdickfairburn-cr1jb I live in California, so I feel your pain. For self defense I have pistols, shotguns, and a lever action .357 magnum. They are all I need for most self defense scenarios. However, I think every patriotic American should have a fighting rifle. And ones living in communist states should have one in case they're attacked by mobs.
Here are some options that work about as good as you can hope for in ban states.
1. The Sig MCX Regulator. An AR action with a ban state legal magpie stock and just a few minor ergonomic problems. Takes GI mags and you can hang all the gadgets off it. Issues: Sig has a rep for getting it right the 2nd time so beware; insane $3k price tag.
2. The Ruger Mini-14. Rugged, reliable, half the price of the Sig (though still overpriced for what it is). Somewhat inaccurate compared to an AR ("minute of man"), uses stupidly expensive proprietary magazines. Not easy to hang many gadgets off it.
3. The Fightlite SCR. Similar to Sig MCX design except you can swap out the upper with any AR and again half the price. Takes GI mags; you can hang all the gadgets on it. Downside is it's kind of pricey and it's so popular it's rarely in stock.
4. The SKS. Hardly ideal but it is semi-automatic and holds 10 rounds. Pricier than it used to be but very dependable. Hard as hell to mount anything but a basic scope.
5. The Garand M1. Really reaching with this one. But you can still get them from the CMP and look patriotic even in communist states. You can't hang much of anything on it and since it's so heavy already you won't want to. .30-06 is stupidly heavy but it will drop anyone _after_ it goes through the brick wall they're hiding behind.
@@EricDaMAJ I keep one full can of surplus M2 Ball, in clips in bandoliers, ready for my M1 Garand in case everything else fails.
Millions of hunters and Tom Horn can vouche for the 30-30’s effectiveness lol
In the movie he had a 45-60
The 22 lr Can be a fighting, rifle If you don’t spray and pray
Elk at 200+ yards with 170gn bullets in Federal loaded cartridges. Is 200 yards close range or are you a believer that the 30-30 hit dirt by 25 yards?
For an experienced shooter hitting at 200 yards with a .30-30 is no problem, just a bit of holdover depending on your zero distance. But, the .30-30 is not a powerhouse at the muzzle and the blunt bullets shed velocity quickly. You'll get deep penetration since expansion will be reduced at the longer range. Having tracked some elk hit with more powerful cartridges, I just think elk hunting at 200 yards with a .30-30 is not ideal. Elk can pack a lot of lead a long ways in rough country.
@@lockloadwithdickfairburn-cr1jb Prove it. You say need hold over to hit at 200 yards, deer is a 8”+ vitals zone, elk is even bigger. Paul Harrell proved that it has the range. How much velocity do you think animals require you to hit them with for the shot to make meat? The 30-30 Winchester could be useful up close but since minute of meat at 200+ without holdover is easily achievable then minute of man would put a 150 yard zero to good work to 300+ yards. That was the point of your video but you perpetuate the lie that 30-30 is just a close up cartridge. Paul Harrell dispelled the lie that it’s an extreme close range rifle years ago on his RUclips channel. I’m pressing this to benefit you. The drop ain’t near what you think it is. I agree it could be used in a pinch for defensive purposes. So can break action shotguns but we would all rather autoloaders. Some like pumps and mostly for cost but still illustrates my point.
@@gb123-ej8wh Have you killed or seen killed a lot of elk with the .30-30 or other round?
I’ve always understood the .30-30, powerwise, to be rougly equal to an AK47.
Actually it will throw 170 gun bullet at 2000 fps, no AK can do that! The 762x39 will throw a 120 gun bullet at alittle less than 2000 fps, 30 30 wins over 76x39!
@@gkauto1959What are you talking about? Just the military surplus 123 grain 7.62x39mm readily clears north of 2300 FPS out of a 16 inch barrel.
The .30-30 has the ability to come in much heavier bullet weights, but the usual 150-170 grain bullets don’t have a velocity advantage over the typical 7.62x39mm round. You have to load down to 110-130 grain loads to get the .30-30 to go noticeably faster by comparison.
...i got...i mean HAD an old Marlin, at least 50 yrs old probably more. Never ran its numbers to find out for sure. Passed down to me long time ago. Comfortable to use. But I'm not a gear head. Never worried about ammunition, just as long as it was 30-30.
Alas, i never was much good with watercraft.
You are a little optimistic for some 30-30 loads, but it has enough juice to do the job for self-defense. But to use a lever gun well in that role takes more training that is required with an Ar-15. Reloading is likely good idea since 30-30 can be hard to find and is expensive. I recommend to try and get it made in a Winchester or a non-remlin marlin. I have not heard any feed back on the mossbergs in that chambering. I would likely try to find a pump action remington in .223 three or .308 myself. There should be some 10 round mags out there and some remingtons in .223 had adaptors to use 20-30 rounder magazines.
I love my levers and have 3 in 30/30….love hunting with them. Light weight. Easy to shoot and load and quick action. Im in my mid 50’s and irons are not good for me so I have LPVO’s or red dots….and since im in a blue commie state it easier to get a lever instead of a semi auto….never know what new gun law is passed and if im going to jail if I bring out my AR or AK’s…😂
If you’re open to doing another pistol caliber video, you could do a video on the “super 45s” (45 super, 450smc, and 460 Rowland). They’re gaining popularity as woods/hiking cartridges.
I really like this episode. The unfortunate truth is that if taken to court after defending your family and yourself in your home with a firearm, the firearmand cartridge combination will possibly have an impack on the likelyhood that you are not convicted of anything at all, or one combination will lend you a 21 year jail sentence, while the other means you actually will serve only a few months. The best alternative in my humble opinion be a Ruger Mini 14 with wood furniture, but the SJWs in the jury will still find a way demonizeing you for haveing a semi-automatic rifle in .223 Remington. If comfortable with a lever action and recoil, get a leveractioned rifle in 45-70 to defend your family in your home.
Really cool-I would tend to agree with you on the rifle caliber and combo “possibly” making things more difficult for you in court. For me, a levergun is both pistol and rifle caliber will do fine. They look like a rifle from a western movie and the good guys always had them. No real bad press about them either 😊
I personally like the old.45 Colt in a good double action Smith and Wesson I roll my own ammo for everything and I keep the loads pretty hot with jhp
Of course it's a good cartridge-in a lever action it becomes the hillbilly assault rifle!
4:32 A short stroke, pistol-caliber lever gun with a detachable box magazine, would be a heck of a substitute for an AR or AK where those are restricted. Someone might even develop a higher energy cartridge for the rifle, and still maintain the short stroke. The only negative of the .30-30 is the small capacity magazine and the slow reload.
🇦🇺😎👍Self defence with a rifle is illegal in Australia. One of my mates got in a fist fight with a burglar and eventually the burglar was arrested and taken away. Shortly after the police took him away they returned to confiscate his gun licence and registered rifles for using excessive force against the burger. No broken bones , just a few scuffs and scratches
The laws in the UK and its commonwealths have evolved to the point that self-defense is essentially illegal. While our rights in the US have long been under attack by liberals, our Constitution's Bill of Rights was intended to prevent government from limiting what our framers considered "God given rights." Among those was the right to bear arms which builds upon the unmentioned right to self-defense. So far, we have held onto our rights even though many individual states have severely restricted them for decades. Recent rulings by the US Supreme Court point to those restrictions eventually being struck down, but freedom is a tenuous thing always at risk of being lost. Good luck Australia ... your people deserve better.
It's amazing I have four ram chargers and the only one I ever bought brand new was an 88 model of a 318 and it and I got a speeding ticket before Thanksgiving last year and I told that officer I said I was driving behind two other vehicles and one just pulled and turned left in front of to my left and I said I don't do speed I'm 74 years old I don't do speed in this vehicle definitely doesn't do speed and if he gets over 45 mph I will know without even looking to speedometer what that vehicle is actually doing but I got to take it anyway a ticket
What the heck does his shirt say? Border what?
Reivers. It refers to Scottsman that patrolled the Scottish and English border protecting Scottish independence. (I THINK)
Yeah they were a light cav / light infantry fighter in the Scots borderlands. They fought in the independence wars for Sctoland (sometimes earlier they were referred to as "hobilars"), but many of them were also mercs who fought for the English crown and even Continental employers. They also were known to engage in banditry and highway robbery.
Border Reivers --- what we would call rustlers here in the US. About 100 families which populated the Scottish/English borders from about 1300-1603AD. They were some of the most violent and fearless light cavalry fighters the world has ever seen. Essentially, they were land-based Vikings (rape, pillage and THEN we burn!) and many of the clans had Viking ancestry. The largest and most feared border clan were the Armstrongs. The legend goes that a noble named Fairburn (see the connection?) rescued the Scottish King when he was un-horsed in battle (circa 1000AD?), lifting him to a horse, armor and all, with just one arm. The King knighted Fairburn, gave the family lands on the border and decreed that the family name would henceforth be "Armstrong."
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Back 25 or 30 years ago a swat team went in a house after a guy. The guy was laying on the floor down a dark hallway under a chair. When swat made entry he downed several before they got him. First 3 or 4 swat members didn't make it home that day if I remember correctly.
Do you remember where that happened? The number of multiple officers down in a SWAT raid can almost be counted on one hand.
@@lockloadwithdickfairburn-cr1jbI have a few of the 30-30s
It wasn’t called the Kentucky Assault rifle for nothing. At most fighting ranges a 30-30 is definitely a worthwhile consideration, especially if you already own own. I see Turnbull offers a red dot mount and if you are thinking of using one as a fighting rifle I’d suggest you look into that.
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Well if you have any doubts about 3030as a fighter just ask the indan or the Mexican
NO.
A typical .30-30 rifle has a magazine capacity of a mere 6 rounds. That is laughably poor compared to an AR or AK. These guns are meant, and always have been meant, for DEER, not people.