@@russellweber3466 We have had two folks killed in Northern Arizona from dog attacks and one child lost his arm. My father carried scars from a feral dog attack till he died
@@ftdefiance1 What and where and when? I have scars on both by forearms from trying to pull 2 of my dogs doing the wild thing off a female pitbull that was in heat that I took in that urban primates had abandoned in 2004.
30-30 has underestimated pop. Took a big whitetail buck at 260 yards 22 November 2005 here in Alberta. Williams FP receiver sight. M94 Winchester carbine circa 1956.
My Marlin 1894c in 357 is by far my favorite rifle. I have the Skinner sights front and rear on it. And yes, sadly my state is not 2A friendly. With my 63 year old eyes, hitting a pie plate at 100 yards is about the best I can do. I have no doubt that the gun is more capable than I am.
Another aspect that a lot of people neglect is the fact that some people cant afford multiple guns. So get a good deer rifle to put food on the table, and use it for home defense
hah, waste of money. You wont practice nearly enough with it. $600 for an AR and $200 for a .22lr conversion unit for that ER and you'll save $1 per shot vs 30-30 factory ammo, and 50c per shot vs reloads for the 30-30. The 30-30 is a bad joke, man. Sell it now, while there's fools who will buy it and get useful rifle. You can buy an AR-15 lower for under $100 and add the rest of it a piece at a time.,, or get a $3000 half time college loan. The payment on such a loan is $20 per month and you can make $50 per hour, one hour per week, selling your blood-plasma. Anyone can get $6000 for a year's Pell grant which will cover your tuition and fees at a cheap college, and they can also get $12,000 per year of full time college loans. and the payment will be under $100 per month. All you have to do is pass half of the first semester's 4 classes. You DO have to attend the other classes and take the tests, but you dont have to pass them. in order to get a full time loan for the second semester (ie, $6000) 2 semesters per year. If you start in the fall, the entire 12k is in your hands in just 5 months.
I agree but if you're on a tight budget and need bang for the buck a pump or double barrel shotgun is a better choice unless someone in your family isn't strong enough to use it.
My Dad had a very old 30-30 Model 94. He used it for ground hogs, bears, deer, elk, moose, and coyotes. We lived in Montana near Glacier National Park. Most of our meat came from that rifle. I wish I had that rifle.
There's all these online self made gun gurus saying 3030 is underpowered for black bear. East of the Mississippi it probably bagged more black bears than any other round.
30-30 is a great round. With a good rifle you know well and 60-100 rounds of ammo you have practice under your belt with, you are well armed for all but the most extreme cases.
Add in a bandolier or two for mobility and you have a rifle that can keep up a decent rate of return fire without having to stop and reload a magazine.
A carbine version would definitely be a great choice, but I’ve always had a soft spot for the trapper version since it is so handy. Your comments on peep sights are spot on and my 1894’s wear Lyman peep sights.
A fixed 4x scope on a .30-30 is a very good combo for thick woods deer. Sitting with my son in a blind, a deer wondered in at about 50 yards...thick woods. We both had marlin .30-30. mine with eotech, his with a fixed 4x scooe. I could not find the deer through the eotech....the 4x scope dropped it within seconds.
The lever action 30-30 is a very powerful rifle in a small package. The round hits hard at 150 yards and in, so I wouldn't feel under gunned if that's what I had.
Some 30 years ago I worked a rural county as a Deputy. For some time I had a 12ga and 870 and a Winchester 94 in the rack of the squad. (An old Dodge Ramcharger the slowest vehicle I ever drove!)
Folks on the frontier , homesteaders millions of them protected themselves their families and property, provided food using lever guns and they worked fine , my grandfather used one for years and years ! I started out with a model 94 Win for my first center fire in 30-30 to this day it’s still a fine cartridge!
Big believer in the 30/30 Win in a good lever gun. I have experience with both the Winchester and Marlin varieties. The Marlin is my go to 30/30 at the moment. It is in traditional wood, but has a rail and red dot. GREAT ranch and bush camp gun!! Nice video Dick!
I'm pretty much a Winchester guy (or the Browning copies), but the Model 94 isn't high on my list ... action is a bit herky-jerky, especially when compared to the butter-smooth 86/92. So, for a .30-30 size lever gun, I agree with you on the Marlin action.
When I started as CO at Stateville CC (near Joliet IL) in 1984 the 3 weapons in use were a Remington 870, 12 gauge, a S&W model 19, .38, and a Winchester Model 94, 30/30. The armory had Thompson SMG's in .45 cal.with 100 round drums, 50 round drums and 20 round stick mags.
For those of us who grew up , and grew old with one of these, ( mine is a 94 ). It can be quite accurate and deadly. Like most of my contemporaries, I can shoot it in the dark pretty well and it stands as my nightstand , home defense firearm.
I love lever action rifles and the 30-30 caliber, but with the lack of relatively inexpensive plinking ammo, I think that a ruger American Ranch or similar rifle in 7.62x39 is a better option. At least in these hard times you can still find ammo at 50 cents per round and enjoy my rifle in the range. 30-30 is all hunting ammo at 1.50 or more per round. So for the time being, I restrict my lever actions to 357 and 22lr
I urge folks who want a good lever gun to haunt pawnshops! Older models turn up constantly for incredibly low prices. People think they need the latest Big Thing and get rid of Grandpa's old piece. Pre-1995 Marlins are simply superb unless the bores are rusty. IGNORE a little rust or scratches or beat-up wood! These are of better quality than most new ones, and are amazingly accurate. It is very easy to slick-up the action by gently rubbing the flat sides of the moving parts on a fine oil stone---stay away from the sharp sear edges! A rubber butt-pad soothes the recoil too. Be respectful of the pawn shop workers and do not sneer at their stock, but you can have success just by politely asking if they "have any room to come down on the price?"..........................elsullo
Another valuable video! I really appreciate the 30-30s , for the reasons you state. I suggest it's a political mistake to popularize the 'tactical' levergun. Traditional models remain somewhat stealthy because they are 'cowboy' guns, not evil black rifles which disquiet the children and sheep. The 'tactical' lever guns ARE scary black rifles to the ignorati and will be legislated as such. And, those new restrictive definitions will then also come to encompass the traditional designs. Most ungood! Keep 'em traditional - and (quietly) train any way you desire!
you're right about "tactical." As soon as somebody puts on a picatinny rail, a flashight mount or red dot sight the snowflakes scream about assault weapons and machine guns. Keep it simple and low profile. And when karen or kennie come to your door looking for safety charge admission of 100 rounds of your preferred ammo - each.
Bringing home the nostalgia tonight. My old Winchester 94 "thutty-thutty" was my first rifle. I put a set of the Williams side mount peep sights on there and just like you said, took out the little ring a long time ago. I found it out to a hundred yards, even with just the ghost ring, the rifle was far better than the idiot behind the trigger. I sort of moved on from it I guess, although I still have it, but I haven't shot it in 25 years. For several years, at least in this part of Virginia, you couldn't find 30-30 for anything. I probably need to dust the poor thing off and run some lead down the barrel just to make it feel loved again. It's a good all-around rifle, but I suppose I just sort of got into more accurate and bigger calibers. But all that said, I would never sell it, too much sentimental value. One thing about that caliber, you can always tell it's a 30-30 by the sound, more than any other rifle (well, except maybe a 7x57; that has an extremely distinctive sound too). Great video, thank you!
My parents gave me one for Christmas in the early 70's when I was 12. Found the receipt a couple years ago - $67.00 at JC Penney. I still have it and use it.
Even less than 1,000 fps is effective. The rim fire .22 was originally developed as a self defense round. Guess what. It wasn't the LR. That came later. It was the Short!
Love it! I keep my Winchester 94 AE in .30-30 available for such a task, even though I live in a 2A friendly state. Skinner Sights is a solid choice! Andy Larson is turning out a quality sight for all lever guns these days. Highly recommend his product!
Just found your channel and subscribed. I grew up around the .30-30 Winchester lever action and .44 Magnum, my Dad was an acquaintance of Elmer Keith in the early 60's when I got to meet him. All the deer I took in the 70's and early 80's were with a .30- 30. Even in the High Desert of S.E. Oregon and S.W. Idaho where long range shots are common I managed to take all deer at under 150 yards. My 16" Trapper carbine and my 20" fit perfectly on the top of the dash in my GMC and are great for a quick first shot speed and range The new Leverevolution by Hornady seem to work very well increasing velocity and range. I may take my old pre '64 Winchester out this year to see how well it works. Thanks for your video.
Funny you made this video this week. I just put a skinner peep and flashlight mount on my 94 trapper. Sick of constantly using different rifles all the time and finally decided to put most of my time in with the .30-30 for everything. Great do all gun for me. Thanks for the video
I love the .30-30. I own a Henry Single Shot with a 2.5X scope on it. It also has back up iron sights. My other is a Rossi M95 trapper model. I have a peep sight on it and I have a detachable red dot sight. I used to have a Winchester Ranger Youth model. It was great for winter hunting. I would put on a heavy jacket and I could bring that rifle up and look through the aperture sight. That was a great boar and deer rifle. The tactical lever action rifles are nice looking but I go with simple. The Winchester 94 was made to be simple to carry and to shoot. Plus, using a traditional wood and steel rifle seems not to offend the snowflakes as much when it comes to self-defense situations.
I am a 20 yr USAF vet. Never could warm up to the M16/AR15 platform. I understand it's value but just don't LIKE it! I've got my 44 mag levergun and had .30-30s in the past. That's my comfort level!
Rossi makes a nice 336 pattern lever action chambered in 30 WCF now too for a good price. I think the 30 WCF is all that is needed for deer and black bear, etc. and is an excellent fighting cartridge in a lever gun. I have too many choices for fighting tools to mention. This would not be my first choice but I would feel well armed if its all that I had. And I love a good aperture sight being 62 now with eyes that just don't work as well as they used to. Another great vid - thanks Dick.
I’ve got a very nice 308 lever action savage 99c mag fed that was made in 1974. It’s a nice gun but I prefer my model 6 pump in 30-06, has a smoother action for sure and a little less recoil but that lever gun is a pound or two lighter. 22” barrels on both of them
met a distant relative once while hunting an old woods road, once establishing whom we were he proceeded to tell me of a time he met my uncle Norman Renaud at the same spot during the depression years. he told me that as they spoke a doe and two lambs sprung from cover up over a ridge and to his amazement my uncle Norman shot all three with a lever action 30 30 from the hip before he could raise his rifle to his shoulder. i had previously heard "the rest of the story" from my beloved Grandma, it seems when Norman reached home there was a game warden in the yard talking to my grandfather. Norman left his rifle in the ditch and walked into the yard. the warden asked Uncle Norman who the hell was down there hunting with an automatic rifle? Uncle Norman replied that he didn't know anyone whom owned an automatic rifle. Then the warden was invited to a supper of previously obtained fresh deer meat. times were tough and deer were as prevalent as mice in the Maine woods in those days. the warden was on his way after thanking my Grandma for an excellent meal.
@@sharonrigs7999 That's not really true. There have been accidental shootings, but 30-30's have not been used extensively for criminal activity. They were used by law enforcement correction facility personnel however.
@bobclifton8021 I'm talking about the early days of the cartridge. Very end of the 19th and early 20th century. As the only smokeless repeater in the country ( except the military Krag and Lee Navy) for years and by far the most common, the .30-30 was absolutely used by criminals and gangs. Keep in mind, that the .30-30 was capable of penetrating armoured cars ( Western Union ect) when blackpowder cartridges couldn't.
@@sharonrigs7999 It was designed as a hunting cartridge to go along with the Winchester 1894 lever action rifle. I believe you are thinking about a different cartridge, perhaps the 30-03, 0r the 30-06. They were both military cartridges.
@bobclifton8021 Yes. Of course it was designed to be the first commercial smokeless cartridge, primarily for hunting. Anyway, I can't flog a dead horse any longer. Just do some research. The .30-30 was the ONLY smokeless option for a number of years. This made it highly desirable for cops and robbers. FYI....the .308 and .223 were both initially sporting cartridges.
I have a Winchester made- Ted William Sears 30-30. My dad bought it in the early 70s when I was a kid. It's still in great shape. I will never part with it.
@@davidkermes376 It may be a fudd, but it was and is no dud. Most browning guns that got made can still be quite useful today when one can find ammo for them. .
When 30-30 was cheap, I tried rebuilding a DPMS AR10 in it. I never could get a good magazine that held more than ten rounds in a single stack to work. It cycles well, and I could probably make it work now, with 3d printing.
40 years later I took out my 336 to ☀️ Mountain Gun range. I put on a 1×4 Vortex. Went home happy with the super small groups at 100 yds. #hunting #outdoors #shooting #riflescope #vortexoptics #guns
I really enjoy all of your videos. Please keep it up and don’t change anything. When you said in another video that you were going to make this one, I wanted to comment, I forgot to. I was gonna ask you if you could ,in the 30-30video, talk about for maybe just one minute ,the 32 special because that’s kind of confusing how very similar they are ,and I think they made the 32 special so that you could reload black powder easier, but I’d rather hear that from you. Thanks again for your good information.
I think you will find, with a fighting rifle, that the most important thing is the willingness of the operator to take another human life. Calibre and action are secondary. Always.
The lever evolution ammo really is a game changer, over 1,000 ft/lbs of energy out of a 30-30 at 300 yards, and relatively minimal drop/drift compared to the flat nose bullets. 30-30 is a fantastic round to shoot, has great power, minimal recoil.
A couple years ago a friend inherited his brothers rifles. The brother was a gun trader and traded Winchester lever action rifles. There were nearly 200 of them. I located an on line auction company and auctioned these firearms along with ammo for them in three different auctions. I was surprised how much people wanted those rifles and how much they were willing to pay.
@@lockloadwithdickfairburn-cr1jb Almost none of the cowboy movies were ever correct. They always depicted firearms in movies that hadn't even been produced yet. The first time I ever noticed correct firearms for the era were in Clint Eastwood movies.
a lot of unlearned people kick the 30-30. oh it's good for about 100yd at best. Bs. through the years I've reloaded them and made good 200, 250,300 shots. and some luck up possibly 100yd shots But I consider 100 200 yd no problem with my reloads and a scope . as a self defense fire arm it's wonderful, plenty of energy power, fast handling, reasonably accurate to very accurate. not I nail driver but in the hands of a good rifleman deer are in great jeopardy 100,200, 250gr yards.. it's all about shooting and finding your limitations. Papa 😊
I looked for a marlin 30-30 win 336 A for twenty years and I found one about 5 years ago it was made in 1973 the barrel is longer than a 336 c and it is built better than the newer ones I hunt hogs and black bears an deer up at my off grid home in extreme North Georgia just a few miles from Tennessee in the Appalachian mountains!!
Bond Arms is coming out with rifles based on a lever action AR lower. Initial offerings in the same calibers as the Henry Supreme. The look of the Bond gun is Old West meets Star Wars, which is kind of cool. More important to me, down the road they plan to produce it in 350 Legend and 450 Bushmaster, which would make it more practical since I live in an area with a straight walled cartridge rule.
Thanks Dick. I love my 30-30. Looks like Henry in 2024 SHOT Show rolled out magazine fed lever actions. It started with 5.56 and 300 BLK. I'd imagine that in a few years they will have one in 308. That may be the perfect lever action. Small mag if hunting. Larger mag for home defense.
I have a 26”, octangle barrel model 94. Replaced the front sight with a taller Marble sight with brass bead. Replaced the rear sight with a Marble folding sight, and added a Marble tang sight. I use the folding sight for 25 yards and the tang sight for 75-100 yards. Rubbing linseed oil into the stock and forearm will improve the looks of an old rifle, sometimes dramatically.
All of my Browning lever action rifles have had the hi-gloss polyurethane finish stripped off and replaced by multiple coats of TruOil to look more original.
Nice video with solid points. I am a big fan of the 30-30 lever action. I have three of them including one of the new Rossi R95 with 20" barrel. As to the peep sights I like them. My peep sighted guns have the bead front sights. I have them set so that out to around 75 yards whatever you want to shoot set it right on top of the bead. Out to 150 yards just put the bead on the target and the round will hit right behind the bead. On the Rossi put a Vortex 2-7x32 scope on it the ballistic reticle to help with drop at longer ranges. I would have no problem depending on a 30-30 for a SD gun. I have ARs, SKS and a Mini-14 but really prefer my lever actions. For a lever in the house I would most likely pick my Marlin 357 with mid range loads. I really like that little gun.
The lever gun is a great tool no matter which you use my favorite is my Marlin both 357 or 44 mag, the others are great too the 30-30 included, my 45-70 is also quite good, the LPVO scopes are great sighting tools for the lever gun
You can really hookup a lever gun with Ranger Point Precision parts, if you wanted too. I use their rear peep on my 336c. Love it, it's quick, simple, robust and low profile. Love a lever gun!
At around 525 that's a model 92 with a aperture sight and they were not chambered in 30-30 they were chambered in the old pistol cartridges of the era 44-40,38-4032-20and 2520
I stated in the video that I do not currently have a .30-30. The 92 in the picture is a Browning 92, which they sold in the 1980's, made by Miroku in Japan, chambered for both the .357 Magnum and the .44 Magnum. I have one of each, custom modified by a late cowboy/outfitter buddy from Wyoming, with original Marble's tang sights and with the high-gloss Browning finish stripped off and oil finished.
@@lockloadwithdickfairburn-cr1jb I'm familiar with the Browning made by miroku and also the old Rossi pumas basically just copies of the model 1892 Winchester and like I stated the original Winchester 92s were chambered in pistol cartridges I was only commenting that the picture was not a 94 that it was a 92 that is all not looking for a argument or criticizing
The problem with 30-30 Winchester is that it can not be found on the shelves of gun stores . Even the gun stores that sell reloading components don't have round nosed or flat nosed bullets in stock . I reload and have a set of 30-30 dies but no brass or bullets . I also have a mould that casts 150 grain flat pointed bullets and a 1,000 box of gas checks .
I source most of my reloading components from mail order suppliers like Cabela's or Midway USA, few stores have a good selection on hand anymore, even Cabela's retail locations. If you are near a Scheel's store, they keep an excellent selection of powders, primers and other components on their shelves.
@@lockloadwithdickfairburn-cr1jb I live in Upstate South Carolina and there are no Sheel's stores in these parts . Thanks for your timely response , Sir .
XS sights is a great company & I use their pistol sights exclusively on my defensive pistols. But for hunting I like the Skinner .090 serrated front sight blade. I paint the top quarter inch white but leave the top serration black. I've gotten close to one inch groups sighting in with that & a fairly narrow peep & take out the insert for a ghost ring to hunt with. The XS front sight is bigger & maybe slightly faster but I get my best accuracy with the narrow Skinner blade. The white/black contrast helps. From my observation, the flat nose 30-30 bullets put game down as fast or faster than a 308 with the same weight pointed bullets moving faster. But the flat noses don't hold up as well at longer ranges. Irrelevant to me since I hunt wooded areas where 50 - 100 yards is about max. For that, the 30-30 is as good now as when it first came out.
During W.W.2. the Winchester 30-30 was issued to p.o.w. prison guards, & sentries! And several police agencies and border guards, while it was never issued as a military rifle for overseas units, but it was used by a lot of civilian police agencys & civilian hunters have proved its usefulness for over 100 years!
The 30-30 cartridge was designed for fairly close range hunting. Where I live you would be hard pressed to take a white tail over 60 to 70 yards. I'm not sure if I have ever taken one over 60 yards. The 30-30 is perfect for that and I like the fact that it doesn't ruin a lot of meat. If it takes a white tail down it shouldn't have much problem with a two legged critter either. If you are using a rifle for self defense and you need to make a long shot then you had better be at war and be able to prove the need for that. Think about that. I myself prefer a good 12 gauge shotgun for anything within the home and property distances.
I have no idea why the algorithm is bringing me all these videos about 30-30. But it's interesting none the less. I have a Henry 30-30 Wildlife edition and two Win 94s that I inherited (a standard model and a Cowboy Edition). When my FIL passes, I'll also get a 336. Maybe start a 30-30 Club in the neighborhood LOL
1935 Marlin modified to have the rifle drill and tapped for scopes. The modified 30 30 in 1936. So the name 336 became the designation for the rifle. The 336 is designed for a scope. Just put one on mine. It's a straight shooter!
IN the discussion regarding sights on these very basic lever guns, one thign almost always goes un-addressed: The age and eye sight of the shooter. At some point, most of us will get glasses - usually to make far objects clear. A huge problem for many is thatthe hprescription acnnot make the adjustments thatyou r eyes can. The lense is static. So, your aiming eye does a jig and a dance trying to see the target, the muzzle sight, and the bucksight. The result is an average optical message to the brain. The peep sight solves this for most prescription wearers by refracting the light and producing a clearly focused front blade, while your glasses focus the target. I do this by placing a carefully cut square of electrical tape in the upper Left corner of my Right lens, with a sharp 1/16" hole punched cleanly in it. This puts the aperture of the peep at the prescription distance from my eye. A few minutes of trial and error will show you where you need to stick your patch. Works like a miracle - better than a tang mount peep, which I love. It works with handguns too because the front blade is out there like a rifle, but the aperture remains close to the eye, as it should. For me it was a game changer. No, you don't notice the tape after a couple minutes. I keep a couple re-cut tape apertures in my kit at all times. I just stick them onto the lid of my range box. If you try this, make sure the aperture hole is sharply punched. No fuzzyness allowed. Costs about .005 cents. No un-attractive bolt ons with my rifles. No chance of bumping a sith out of calibration.
I was curious about the new bullet weights and making the 30-30 a beast for anything while keeping the rifle The Rifle. Lighter and heavier bullet weights can really help it.
Is there a good ghost ring sight for these? I have a 336 and find I can’t find the rear sight when I see the front, and vice versa. Would LOVE to replace them with those “glo” type front sights and a big ring in the rear. Edit: NM, should’ve waited longer in the video to ask. LOL 😂
The Canadians ordered 3000 of this rifle for protection on their pacific coast if the Japanese came calling. I think they specked crating lumber for the wood but other than that they were Model 94s. As a opinion, I think this rifle and cartridge would have at least matched the junk Arisaka of the Japanese.
So within the span of 30 seconds I heard you say "A magnified optic on a lever gun just doesn't feel right," and then, "On my gun I have a flashlight/green laser combo so I have nighttime aiming capability." You can rationalize a laser but not an optic? Brass tube optics were in use even before the lever action was invented.
I would have to ask what's the difference between a hunting gun and a defense gun ? I carry the same gun every day and can play defense or offense with it just like basketball ....😁
30-30 Winchesters aren't as expensive as you think. You can buy a new Rossi 336 for under $500 and a Mossberg 464 for $389. Most are $700 and up but there are a few cheaper ones and I never heard anyone complain Rossis or Mossbergs don't work.
For an experienced shooter hitting at 200 yards with a .30-30 is no problem, just a bit of holdover depending on your zero distance. But, the .30-30 is not a powerhouse at the muzzle and the blunt bullets shed velocity quickly. You'll get deep penetration since expansion will be reduced at the longer range. Having tracked some elk hit with more powerful cartridges, I just think elk hunting at 200 yards with a .30-30 is not ideal. Elk can pack a lot of lead a long ways in rough country.
@@lockloadwithdickfairburn-cr1jb Prove it. You say need hold over to hit at 200 yards, deer is a 8”+ vitals zone, elk is even bigger. Paul Harrell proved that it has the range. How much velocity do you think animals require you to hit them with for the shot to make meat? The 30-30 Winchester could be useful up close but since minute of meat at 200+ without holdover is easily achievable then minute of man would put a 150 yard zero to good work to 300+ yards. That was the point of your video but you perpetuate the lie that 30-30 is just a close up cartridge. Paul Harrell dispelled the lie that it’s an extreme close range rifle years ago on his RUclips channel. I’m pressing this to benefit you. The drop ain’t near what you think it is. I agree it could be used in a pinch for defensive purposes. So can break action shotguns but we would all rather autoloaders. Some like pumps and mostly for cost but still illustrates my point.
30/30 very close ballistics to 7.63x39 so hell yeah and the other benefits. Down here where I live a good lever action. 357 magnum gets the job done and you get the advantage of only carrying one caliber if you have a revolver. But yeah big fan of 30/30s and yeah still carry a 1911 45 they both worked back in the day an bad guys really aren't any tougher.
@@casejasnoch2533yeah the woods are vary thick and a stalk and sometimes tree stands usually go for heavy. 357 loads but with 18, 20 inches of barrel it is very effective provided that you do your part! I shoot with irons always have except in the Army well that another story but yeah no problem with. 357 in the south !
The tactical .30-30 lever action allows a rancher or farmer to have one rifle for anything from feral dogs to feral people
That’s quite true.
That's why there's an AR bouncin' around in the back with all the other "ranchy' stuff. But if I had to have a lever gun, I'd take it and happily
For feral people and urban primates yes, but why would you shoot a stray dog instead of rescuing it.
@@russellweber3466 We have had two folks killed in Northern Arizona from dog attacks and one child lost his arm. My father carried scars from a feral dog attack till he died
@@ftdefiance1 What and where and when? I have scars on both by forearms from trying to pull 2 of my dogs doing the wild thing off a female pitbull that was in heat that I took in that urban primates had abandoned in 2004.
30-30 has underestimated pop. Took a big whitetail buck at 260 yards 22 November 2005 here in Alberta. Williams FP receiver sight.
M94 Winchester carbine circa 1956.
my husband missed a giant buck because of his 30 30 . he took two quick shots and by the time he put the cork back in the bottle the deer ran away
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@@marykoski8811OMG I’m going to steal that when I miss my first deer this season. 😂
I inherited a 30-30 a few years back. Just finished reloading its ammo. This thing is a hitter. Big power in a small package.
My Marlin 1894c in 357 is by far my favorite rifle. I have the Skinner sights front and rear on it. And yes, sadly my state is not 2A friendly. With my 63 year old eyes, hitting a pie plate at 100 yards is about the best I can do. I have no doubt that the gun is more capable than I am.
Hitting that pie plate at 100 yards should get you all the performance you need 99% of the time.
Another aspect that a lot of people neglect is the fact that some people cant afford multiple guns. So get a good deer rifle to put food on the table, and use it for home defense
hah, waste of money. You wont practice nearly enough with it. $600 for an AR and $200 for a .22lr conversion unit for that ER and you'll save $1 per shot vs 30-30 factory ammo, and 50c per shot vs reloads for the 30-30. The 30-30 is a bad joke, man. Sell it now, while there's fools who will buy it and get useful rifle. You can buy an AR-15 lower for under $100 and add the rest of it a piece at a time.,, or get a $3000 half time college loan. The payment on such a loan is $20 per month and you can make $50 per hour, one hour per week, selling your blood-plasma. Anyone can get $6000 for a year's Pell grant which will cover your tuition and fees at a cheap college, and they can also get $12,000 per year of full time college loans. and the payment will be under $100 per month. All you have to do is pass half of the first semester's 4 classes. You DO have to attend the other classes and take the tests, but you dont have to pass them. in order to get a full time loan for the second semester (ie, $6000) 2 semesters per year. If you start in the fall, the entire 12k is in your hands in just 5 months.
I agree but if you're on a tight budget and need bang for the buck a pump or double barrel shotgun is a better choice unless someone in your family isn't strong enough to use it.
@@SonnyCrocket-p6hI can reload 30 30 for far cheaper then anything you just mentioned
I can cast my own bullets too.
My Dad had a very old 30-30 Model 94. He used it for ground hogs, bears, deer, elk, moose, and coyotes. We lived in Montana near Glacier National Park. Most of our meat came from that rifle. I wish I had that rifle.
They are easy to find.
There's all these online self made gun gurus saying 3030 is underpowered for black bear. East of the Mississippi it probably bagged more black bears than any other round.
30-30 is a great round. With a good rifle you know well and 60-100 rounds of ammo you have practice under your belt with, you are well armed for all but the most extreme cases.
Agreed
Add in a bandolier or two for mobility and you have a rifle that can keep up a decent rate of return fire without having to stop and reload a magazine.
A carbine version would definitely be a great choice, but I’ve always had a soft spot for the trapper version since it is so handy. Your comments on peep sights are spot on and my 1894’s wear Lyman peep sights.
A fixed 4x scope on a .30-30 is a very good combo for thick woods deer. Sitting with my son in a blind, a deer wondered in at about 50 yards...thick woods. We both had marlin .30-30. mine with eotech, his with a fixed 4x scooe. I could not find the deer through the eotech....the 4x scope dropped it within seconds.
30/30 was the patrol rifle, before patrol rifles were cool!
The lever action 30-30 is a very powerful rifle in a small package. The round hits hard at 150 yards and in, so I wouldn't feel under gunned if that's what I had.
Some 30 years ago I worked a rural county as a Deputy. For some time I had a 12ga and 870 and a Winchester 94 in the rack of the squad. (An old Dodge Ramcharger the slowest vehicle I ever drove!)
My hunting buddy used to have Ramcharger V-6 ... what a gutless Mopar design, and I'm a Mopar guy.
Ramchargers are great, until you get on the highway! They can’t be beat off pavement though
Always check you lug nuts on a Ram. They love to try 4x4 with 3 wheels.
Folks on the frontier , homesteaders millions of them protected themselves their families and property, provided food using lever guns and they worked fine , my grandfather used one for years and years ! I started out with a model 94 Win for my first center fire in 30-30 to this day it’s still a fine cartridge!
Yes, I am with you on these 30/30 rifles, as being a good fighting rifle for bad times.
The info you provided on better sights for the lever action is much appreciated.
I have a 30-30 Winchester I bought brand new in 2005. Great rifle.
Big believer in the 30/30 Win in a good lever gun. I have experience with both the Winchester and Marlin varieties. The Marlin is my go to 30/30 at the moment. It is in traditional wood, but has a rail and red dot. GREAT ranch and bush camp gun!! Nice video Dick!
I'm pretty much a Winchester guy (or the Browning copies), but the Model 94 isn't high on my list ... action is a bit herky-jerky, especially when compared to the butter-smooth 86/92. So, for a .30-30 size lever gun, I agree with you on the Marlin action.
For marlins I have a soft spot for the .35 remington.
I just came across a marlin 336 35 remington I love it @loquat44-40
i inherited my grandfathers 35 cal remington pump rifle.. old but reliable.. loved it, people always assume its a shotgun..but its not..lmao
When I started as CO at Stateville CC (near Joliet IL) in 1984 the 3 weapons in use were a Remington 870, 12 gauge, a S&W model 19, .38, and a Winchester Model 94, 30/30. The armory had Thompson SMG's in .45 cal.with 100 round drums, 50 round drums and 20 round stick mags.
Ahhhhh, the Thompsons! I wonder where those went. Now they have Mini-14's the last I heard.
For those of us who grew up , and grew old with one of these, ( mine is a 94 ).
It can be quite accurate and deadly.
Like most of my contemporaries, I can shoot it in the dark pretty well and it stands as my nightstand , home defense firearm.
I've got an old Savage Model 1899 in .30-30 with a 26" barrel...
I love lever action rifles and the 30-30 caliber, but with the lack of relatively inexpensive plinking ammo, I think that a ruger American Ranch or similar rifle in 7.62x39 is a better option. At least in these hard times you can still find ammo at 50 cents per round and enjoy my rifle in the range. 30-30 is all hunting ammo at 1.50 or more per round. So for the time being, I restrict my lever actions to 357 and 22lr
I urge folks who want a good lever gun to haunt pawnshops! Older models turn up constantly for incredibly low prices. People think they need the latest Big Thing and get rid of Grandpa's old piece. Pre-1995 Marlins are simply superb unless the bores are rusty. IGNORE a little rust or scratches or beat-up wood! These are of better quality than most new ones, and are amazingly accurate. It is very easy to slick-up the action by gently rubbing the flat sides of the moving parts on a fine oil stone---stay away from the sharp sear edges! A rubber butt-pad soothes the recoil too. Be respectful of the pawn shop workers and do not sneer at their stock, but you can have success just by politely asking if they "have any room to come down on the price?"..........................elsullo
Another valuable video! I really appreciate the 30-30s , for the reasons you state. I suggest it's a political mistake to popularize the 'tactical' levergun. Traditional models remain somewhat stealthy because they are 'cowboy' guns, not evil black rifles which disquiet the children and sheep. The 'tactical' lever guns ARE scary black rifles to the ignorati and will be legislated as such. And, those new restrictive definitions will then also come to encompass the traditional designs. Most ungood! Keep 'em traditional - and (quietly) train any way you desire!
you're right about "tactical." As soon as somebody puts on a picatinny rail, a flashight mount or red dot sight the snowflakes scream about assault weapons and machine guns. Keep it simple and low profile. And when karen or kennie come to your door looking for safety charge admission of 100 rounds of your preferred ammo - each.
Bringing home the nostalgia tonight. My old Winchester 94 "thutty-thutty" was my first rifle. I put a set of the Williams side mount peep sights on there and just like you said, took out the little ring a long time ago. I found it out to a hundred yards, even with just the ghost ring, the rifle was far better than the idiot behind the trigger. I sort of moved on from it I guess, although I still have it, but I haven't shot it in 25 years. For several years, at least in this part of Virginia, you couldn't find 30-30 for anything. I probably need to dust the poor thing off and run some lead down the barrel just to make it feel loved again. It's a good all-around rifle, but I suppose I just sort of got into more accurate and bigger calibers. But all that said, I would never sell it, too much sentimental value. One thing about that caliber, you can always tell it's a 30-30 by the sound, more than any other rifle (well, except maybe a 7x57; that has an extremely distinctive sound too). Great video, thank you!
Thanks for your memories.
My parents gave me one for Christmas in the early 70's when I was 12. Found the receipt a couple years ago - $67.00 at JC Penney. I still have it and use it.
@@ZekeRivers I'll give you double that amount today.
anything that goes 1000+ fps is something I don’t want shot at me…….
Even less than 1,000 fps is effective. The rim fire .22 was originally developed as a self defense round. Guess what. It wasn't the LR. That came later. It was the Short!
Definitely the one cartridge/ rifle combination you can own. Especially if you just want or can afford only one good all rounder👌
Love it! I keep my Winchester 94 AE in .30-30 available for such a task, even though I live in a 2A friendly state. Skinner Sights is a solid choice! Andy Larson is turning out a quality sight for all lever guns these days. Highly recommend his product!
I live in a pro 2nd state (Texas) and I prefer my .357 pistol and 30-30 Winchester over the Stryker and AR guns.
Just found your channel and subscribed. I grew up around the .30-30 Winchester lever action and .44 Magnum, my Dad was an acquaintance of Elmer Keith in the early 60's when I got to meet him. All the deer I took in the 70's and early 80's were with a .30- 30. Even in the High Desert of S.E. Oregon and S.W. Idaho where long range shots are common I managed to take all deer at under 150 yards. My 16" Trapper carbine and my 20" fit perfectly on the top of the dash in my GMC and are great for a quick first shot speed and range The new Leverevolution by Hornady seem to work very well increasing velocity and range. I may take my old pre '64 Winchester out this year to see how well it works. Thanks for your video.
Thanks for your memories.
Funny you made this video this week. I just put a skinner peep and flashlight mount on my 94 trapper. Sick of constantly using different rifles all the time and finally decided to put most of my time in with the .30-30 for everything. Great do all gun for me. Thanks for the video
Sounds like you are well equipped.
Well done
The 30-30 winchester is a grand old cartridge. I cant see any end to its usefulness.
I love the .30-30. I own a Henry Single Shot with a 2.5X scope on it. It also has back up iron sights. My other is a Rossi M95 trapper model. I have a peep sight on it and I have a detachable red dot sight. I used to have a Winchester Ranger Youth model. It was great for winter hunting. I would put on a heavy jacket and I could bring that rifle up and look through the aperture sight. That was a great boar and deer rifle. The tactical lever action rifles are nice looking but I go with simple. The Winchester 94 was made to be simple to carry and to shoot. Plus, using a traditional wood and steel rifle seems not to offend the snowflakes as much when it comes to self-defense situations.
I am a 20 yr USAF vet. Never could warm up to the M16/AR15 platform. I understand it's value but just don't LIKE it! I've got my 44 mag levergun and had .30-30s in the past. That's my comfort level!
Thanks for your service. The Air Force is almost like being in the military, isn't it? Just kidding.
@@lockloadwithdickfairburn-cr1jb The only military service that sends the officers out to die first.
@@lockloadwithdickfairburn-cr1jb😂😂😂😂
Rossi makes a nice 336 pattern lever action chambered in 30 WCF now too for a good price. I think the 30 WCF is all that is needed for deer and black bear, etc. and is an excellent fighting cartridge in a lever gun. I have too many choices for fighting tools to mention. This would not be my first choice but I would feel well armed if its all that I had. And I love a good aperture sight being 62 now with eyes that just don't work as well as they used to. Another great vid - thanks Dick.
Its a good ban state option. Not the best option out there but still solid.
I’ve got a very nice 308 lever action savage 99c mag fed that was made in 1974. It’s a nice gun but I prefer my model 6 pump in 30-06, has a smoother action for sure and a little less recoil but that lever gun is a pound or two lighter. 22” barrels on both of them
met a distant relative once while hunting an old woods road, once establishing whom we were he proceeded to tell me of a time he met my uncle Norman Renaud at the same spot during the depression years. he told me that as they spoke a doe and two lambs sprung from cover up over a ridge and to his amazement my uncle Norman shot all three with a lever action 30 30 from the hip before he could raise his rifle to his shoulder.
i had previously heard "the rest of the story" from my beloved Grandma, it seems when Norman reached home there was a game warden in the yard talking to my grandfather.
Norman left his rifle in the ditch and walked into the yard. the warden asked Uncle Norman who the hell was down there hunting with an automatic rifle? Uncle Norman replied that he didn't know anyone whom owned an automatic rifle.
Then the warden was invited to a supper of previously obtained fresh deer meat.
times were tough and deer were as prevalent as mice in the Maine woods in those days.
the warden was on his way after thanking my Grandma for an excellent meal.
It's been a useful rifle for the last 130 years. It is said to have killed more deer than all other calibers put together.
And the most people, both good and bad.
@@sharonrigs7999 That's not really true. There have been accidental shootings, but 30-30's have not been used extensively for criminal activity. They were used by law enforcement correction facility personnel however.
@bobclifton8021 I'm talking about the early days of the cartridge. Very end of the 19th and early 20th century.
As the only smokeless repeater in the country ( except the military Krag and Lee Navy) for years and by far the most common, the .30-30 was absolutely used by criminals and gangs. Keep in mind, that the .30-30 was capable of penetrating armoured cars ( Western Union ect) when blackpowder cartridges couldn't.
@@sharonrigs7999 It was designed as a hunting cartridge to go along with the Winchester 1894 lever action rifle. I believe you are thinking about a different cartridge, perhaps the 30-03, 0r the 30-06. They were both military cartridges.
@bobclifton8021 Yes. Of course it was designed to be the first commercial smokeless cartridge, primarily for hunting.
Anyway, I can't flog a dead horse any longer. Just do some research. The .30-30 was the ONLY smokeless option for a number of years. This made it highly desirable for cops and robbers.
FYI....the .308 and .223 were both initially sporting cartridges.
I have a Winchester made- Ted William Sears 30-30. My dad bought it in the early 70s when I was a kid. It's still in great shape. I will never part with it.
Im really enjoying these videos from you, refreshing to hear a mature experienced perspective for once in a long while
Tacticool Guys: "30-30 as a fighting cartridge? Give me a break."
Mexican Revolutionary: "Señor, hold my cerveza, por favor."
:P
Winchester lever guns have been used in many wars.
@@loquat44-40 Yes sir. They were even used in aerial combat in World War I. :D
.30-.30s were used by british navy boat crews, french army couriers and u.s. forestry guards to protect lumber mills. The ol' fudd gun got around!
@@davidkermes376 It may be a fudd, but it was and is no dud. Most browning guns that got made can still be quite useful today when one can find ammo for them. .
When 30-30 was cheap, I tried rebuilding a DPMS AR10 in it. I never could get a good magazine that held more than ten rounds in a single stack to work. It cycles well, and I could probably make it work now, with 3d printing.
40 years later I took out my 336 to ☀️ Mountain Gun range. I put on a 1×4 Vortex.
Went home happy with the super small groups at 100 yds. #hunting #outdoors #shooting #riflescope #vortexoptics #guns
I really enjoy all of your videos. Please keep it up and don’t change anything. When you said in another video that you were going to make this one, I wanted to comment, I forgot to. I was gonna ask you if you could ,in the 30-30video, talk about for maybe just one minute ,the 32 special because that’s kind of confusing how very similar they are ,and I think they made the 32 special so that you could reload black powder easier, but I’d rather hear that from you. Thanks again for your good information.
I think you will find, with a fighting rifle, that the most important thing is the willingness of the operator to take another human life. Calibre and action are secondary. Always.
Whether you are talking warfare, law enforcement or self-defense ... stepping over "that" line defines us all.
Well said
The lever evolution ammo really is a game changer, over 1,000 ft/lbs of energy out of a 30-30 at 300 yards, and relatively minimal drop/drift compared to the flat nose bullets. 30-30 is a fantastic round to shoot, has great power, minimal recoil.
Very impressed
I have a Marlin from 1985ish. Just put on a Vortex Crossfire
There's a song from the Mexican Revolution called _Carabina .30-.30_ it's not about hunting rights.
Pancho Villa's favorite song.
Useful fighting rifle? No, a useful everything rifle.
I like the core lock 150 gr
A couple years ago a friend inherited his brothers rifles. The brother was a gun trader and traded Winchester lever action rifles. There were nearly 200 of them. I located an on line auction company and auctioned these firearms along with ammo for them in three different auctions. I was surprised how much people wanted those rifles and how much they were willing to pay.
The lever action is, and probably will always be, THE American rifle. All those cowboy movies can't be wrong.
@@lockloadwithdickfairburn-cr1jb Almost none of the cowboy movies were ever correct. They always depicted firearms in movies that hadn't even been produced yet. The first time I ever noticed correct firearms for the era were in Clint Eastwood movies.
a lot of unlearned people kick the 30-30. oh it's good for about 100yd at best. Bs. through the years I've reloaded them and made good 200, 250,300 shots. and some luck up possibly 100yd shots
But I consider 100 200 yd no problem with my reloads and a scope . as a self defense fire arm it's wonderful, plenty of energy power, fast handling, reasonably accurate to very accurate. not I nail driver but in the hands of a good rifleman deer are in great jeopardy 100,200, 250gr yards.. it's all about shooting and finding your limitations. Papa 😊
I looked for a marlin 30-30 win 336 A for twenty years and I found one about 5 years ago it was made in 1973 the barrel is longer than a 336 c and it is built better than the newer ones I hunt hogs and black bears an deer up at my off grid home in extreme North Georgia just a few miles from Tennessee in the Appalachian mountains!!
Thanks😀
Im waiting for the henry Supreme. Using stanag ar mags. Check em out. Its on my list.
Bond Arms is coming out with rifles based on a lever action AR lower. Initial offerings in the same calibers as the Henry Supreme. The look of the Bond gun is Old West meets Star Wars, which is kind of cool. More important to me, down the road they plan to produce it in 350 Legend and 450 Bushmaster, which would make it more practical since I live in an area with a straight walled cartridge rule.
Lever actions won this country, never underestimate them
I've had a nice Winchester Ranger since 1989.
1893 Marlin kicks ass
Really injoying the channel by the way.
Thanks Dick. I love my 30-30. Looks like Henry in 2024 SHOT Show rolled out magazine fed lever actions. It started with 5.56 and 300 BLK. I'd imagine that in a few years they will have one in 308. That may be the perfect lever action. Small mag if hunting. Larger mag for home defense.
hell yeah!
I have a 26”, octangle barrel model 94. Replaced the front sight with a taller Marble sight with brass bead. Replaced the rear sight with a Marble folding sight, and added a Marble tang sight. I use the folding sight for 25 yards and the tang sight for 75-100 yards. Rubbing linseed oil into the stock and forearm will improve the looks of an old rifle, sometimes dramatically.
All of my Browning lever action rifles have had the hi-gloss polyurethane finish stripped off and replaced by multiple coats of TruOil to look more original.
Nice video with solid points. I am a big fan of the 30-30 lever action. I have three of them including one of the new Rossi R95 with 20" barrel. As to the peep sights I like them. My peep sighted guns have the bead front sights. I have them set so that out to around 75 yards whatever you want to shoot set it right on top of the bead. Out to 150 yards just put the bead on the target and the round will hit right behind the bead.
On the Rossi put a Vortex 2-7x32 scope on it the ballistic reticle to help with drop at longer ranges. I would have no problem depending on a 30-30 for a SD gun. I have ARs, SKS and a Mini-14 but really prefer my lever actions. For a lever in the house I would most likely pick my Marlin 357 with mid range loads. I really like that little gun.
I use a Browning B92 in .357 Magnum for my "house" gun.
The lever gun is a great tool no matter which you use my favorite is my Marlin both 357 or 44 mag, the others are great too the 30-30 included, my 45-70 is also quite good, the LPVO scopes are great sighting tools for the lever gun
Got a 30-30, 2ea 32 winchester special model 94's only problem is finding ammo locally.
It seen some use in the Spanish American War don't recall Ted Roosevelt having any complaints.
Thanks for the video 👍😎🇺🇸
You can really hookup a lever gun with Ranger Point Precision parts, if you wanted too. I use their rear peep on my 336c. Love it, it's quick, simple, robust and low profile. Love a lever gun!
At around 525 that's a model 92 with a aperture sight and they were not chambered in 30-30 they were chambered in the old pistol cartridges of the era 44-40,38-4032-20and 2520
I stated in the video that I do not currently have a .30-30. The 92 in the picture is a Browning 92, which they sold in the 1980's, made by Miroku in Japan, chambered for both the .357 Magnum and the .44 Magnum. I have one of each, custom modified by a late cowboy/outfitter buddy from Wyoming, with original Marble's tang sights and with the high-gloss Browning finish stripped off and oil finished.
@@lockloadwithdickfairburn-cr1jb I'm familiar with the Browning made by miroku and also the old Rossi pumas basically just copies of the model 1892 Winchester and like I stated the original Winchester 92s were chambered in pistol cartridges I was only commenting that the picture was not a 94 that it was a 92 that is all not looking for a argument or criticizing
The problem with 30-30 Winchester is that it can not be found on the shelves of gun stores . Even the gun stores that sell reloading components don't have round nosed or flat nosed bullets in stock . I reload and have a set of 30-30 dies but no brass or bullets . I also have a mould that casts 150 grain flat pointed bullets and a 1,000 box of gas checks .
I source most of my reloading components from mail order suppliers like Cabela's or Midway USA, few stores have a good selection on hand anymore, even Cabela's retail locations. If you are near a Scheel's store, they keep an excellent selection of powders, primers and other components on their shelves.
@@lockloadwithdickfairburn-cr1jb I live in Upstate South Carolina and there are no Sheel's stores in these parts . Thanks for your timely response , Sir .
Humans are deer sized animals, just sayin'....
And not nearly as strong or tough, so a .30-30 is more than capable.
XS sights is a great company & I use their pistol sights exclusively on my defensive pistols. But for hunting I like the Skinner .090 serrated front sight blade. I paint the top quarter inch white but leave the top serration black. I've gotten close to one inch groups sighting in with that & a fairly narrow peep & take out the insert for a ghost ring to hunt with. The XS front sight is bigger & maybe slightly faster but I get my best accuracy with the narrow Skinner blade. The white/black contrast helps.
From my observation, the flat nose 30-30 bullets put game down as fast or faster than a 308 with the same weight pointed bullets moving faster. But the flat noses don't hold up as well at longer ranges. Irrelevant to me since I hunt wooded areas where 50 - 100 yards is about max. For that, the 30-30 is as good now as when it first came out.
Yes
During W.W.2. the Winchester 30-30 was issued to p.o.w. prison guards, & sentries! And several police agencies and border guards, while it was never issued as a military rifle for overseas units, but it was used by a lot of civilian police agencys & civilian hunters have proved its usefulness for over 100 years!
The 30-30 cartridge was designed for fairly close range hunting. Where I live you would be hard pressed to take a white tail over 60 to 70 yards. I'm not sure if I have ever taken one over 60 yards. The 30-30 is perfect for that and I like the fact that it doesn't ruin a lot of meat. If it takes a white tail down it shouldn't have much problem with a two legged critter either. If you are using a rifle for self defense and you need to make a long shot then you had better be at war and be able to prove the need for that. Think about that. I myself prefer a good 12 gauge shotgun for anything within the home and property distances.
300,yards,,o,hell,yes
Every one should have a 30-30 rifle
I have no idea why the algorithm is bringing me all these videos about 30-30. But it's interesting none the less. I have a Henry 30-30 Wildlife edition and two Win 94s that I inherited (a standard model and a Cowboy Edition). When my FIL passes, I'll also get a 336. Maybe start a 30-30 Club in the neighborhood LOL
If your in a big city with draconian laws a 357 or 44 lever, might be the best sd rifle for you.
According to what I have heard , 30-30 saw a lot of military service in the Mexican revolution
1935 Marlin modified to have the rifle drill and tapped for scopes. The modified 30 30 in 1936. So the name 336 became the designation for the rifle.
The 336 is designed for a scope. Just put one on mine. It's a straight shooter!
IN the discussion regarding sights on these very basic lever guns, one thign almost always goes un-addressed: The age and eye sight of the shooter.
At some point, most of us will get glasses - usually to make far objects clear. A huge problem for many is thatthe hprescription acnnot make the adjustments thatyou r eyes can. The lense is static. So, your aiming eye does a jig and a dance trying to see the target, the muzzle sight, and the bucksight. The result is an average optical message to the brain.
The peep sight solves this for most prescription wearers by refracting the light and producing a clearly focused front blade, while your glasses focus the target.
I do this by placing a carefully cut square of electrical tape in the upper Left corner of my Right lens, with a sharp 1/16" hole punched cleanly in it. This puts the aperture of the peep at the prescription distance from my eye. A few minutes of trial and error will show you where you need to stick your patch. Works like a miracle - better than a tang mount peep, which I love. It works with handguns too because the front blade is out there like a rifle, but the aperture remains close to the eye, as it should.
For me it was a game changer. No, you don't notice the tape after a couple minutes. I keep a couple re-cut tape apertures in my kit at all times. I just stick them onto the lid of my range box. If you try this, make sure the aperture hole is sharply punched. No fuzzyness allowed. Costs about .005 cents. No un-attractive bolt ons with my rifles. No chance of bumping a sith out of calibration.
I had XS Sights put on my old 336 30-30. I am able to knock a steel gong around at 200m. I just use 150gr ammo off the shelf.
Rossi now has their version of a 30-30 out, which I think is sub $1000. Worth looking at.
Maybe Elk? Are you serious? In Canada we take out Elk, Moose, Bears, even Grizzlies with 30-30 (when it was legal).
I was curious about the new bullet weights and making the 30-30 a beast for anything while keeping the rifle The Rifle. Lighter and heavier bullet weights can really help it.
yep great video well summed up... In Canada we have some very poor legislation implemented .. a lot of us are switched to 357 leaver rifles now
I wonder whether the next "revolutionary war" will begin in Canada or the US ... you are a bit ahead of us in gun craziness.
@@lockloadwithdickfairburn-cr1jb we have 75 to 80 percent hate ... yes hate our current government in power .. no wonder they are disarming us
Is there a good ghost ring sight for these? I have a 336 and find I can’t find the rear sight when I see the front, and vice versa. Would LOVE to replace them with those “glo” type front sights and a big ring in the rear.
Edit: NM, should’ve waited longer in the video to ask. LOL 😂
The Canadians ordered 3000 of this rifle for protection on their pacific coast if the Japanese came calling. I think they specked crating lumber for the wood but other than that they were Model 94s. As a opinion, I think this rifle and cartridge would have at least matched the junk Arisaka of the Japanese.
So within the span of 30 seconds I heard you say "A magnified optic on a lever gun just doesn't feel right," and then, "On my gun I have a flashlight/green laser combo so I have nighttime aiming capability." You can rationalize a laser but not an optic? Brass tube optics were in use even before the lever action was invented.
A good fighting rifle? The one you have at hand when the fight starts....
I have marlin 336. With 1x6. Nikon works great
I would have to ask what's the difference between a hunting gun and a defense gun ? I carry the same gun every day and can play defense or offense with it just like basketball ....😁
A lot more thump than AR-15 or AK-47
Check out the Rossi R95 in 30-30! You will want one! :)
30-30 Winchesters aren't as expensive as you think. You can buy a new Rossi 336 for under $500 and a Mossberg 464 for $389. Most are $700 and up but there are a few cheaper ones and I never heard anyone complain Rossis or Mossbergs don't work.
My shtf rifle is a Winchester m94 30-30. So there.
Good for you!
Elk at 200+ yards with 170gn bullets in Federal loaded cartridges. Is 200 yards close range or are you a believer that the 30-30 hit dirt by 25 yards?
For an experienced shooter hitting at 200 yards with a .30-30 is no problem, just a bit of holdover depending on your zero distance. But, the .30-30 is not a powerhouse at the muzzle and the blunt bullets shed velocity quickly. You'll get deep penetration since expansion will be reduced at the longer range. Having tracked some elk hit with more powerful cartridges, I just think elk hunting at 200 yards with a .30-30 is not ideal. Elk can pack a lot of lead a long ways in rough country.
@@lockloadwithdickfairburn-cr1jb Prove it. You say need hold over to hit at 200 yards, deer is a 8”+ vitals zone, elk is even bigger. Paul Harrell proved that it has the range. How much velocity do you think animals require you to hit them with for the shot to make meat? The 30-30 Winchester could be useful up close but since minute of meat at 200+ without holdover is easily achievable then minute of man would put a 150 yard zero to good work to 300+ yards. That was the point of your video but you perpetuate the lie that 30-30 is just a close up cartridge. Paul Harrell dispelled the lie that it’s an extreme close range rifle years ago on his RUclips channel. I’m pressing this to benefit you. The drop ain’t near what you think it is. I agree it could be used in a pinch for defensive purposes. So can break action shotguns but we would all rather autoloaders. Some like pumps and mostly for cost but still illustrates my point.
@@gb123-ej8wh Have you killed or seen killed a lot of elk with the .30-30 or other round?
30/30 very close ballistics to 7.63x39 so hell yeah and the other benefits. Down here where I live a good lever action. 357 magnum gets the job done and you get the advantage of only carrying one caliber if you have a revolver. But yeah big fan of 30/30s and yeah still carry a 1911 45 they both worked back in the day an bad guys really aren't any tougher.
Do you use the 357 for deer?
@@casejasnoch2533yeah the woods are vary thick and a stalk and sometimes tree stands usually go for heavy. 357 loads but with 18, 20 inches of barrel it is very effective provided that you do your part! I shoot with irons always have except in the Army well that another story but yeah no problem with. 357 in the south !
@@troyspain7073 what load do you like to use and what’s your furthest kill?