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- Опубликовано: 2 май 2024
- In this podcast, Kushal speaks with Disha Ahluwalia about archaeology in India beyond the Indus Valley Civilisation. They talk about different sites Disha has studied and personally worked at.
Follow Disha:
Twitter: @ahluwaliadisha
Twitter: @coa_archaeology
Articles: t.co/jIKymbmaZR
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I love how passionate she is about her work.
DO YOU FIND HER ANY UTUBE ELSE..??
Disha is my favourite ❤❤
She's so passionate about her work and its always good to see people like them
It's always a pleasure to listen to Disha Ma'am's podcast. 🥰
Current ruling dispensation talks so much about our civilisation yet neglects our precious archaeological sites. It's a shame! If conducting research isn't feasible at the moment, the least we can do is ensure that these sites are isolated from public and in future when we are economically and technologically prepared, our archaeologists can thoroughly study and uncover the secrets they hold. 🤦🤦♂🤦♀
Thanks for the great work. Feel so sorry about the ASI's vulnerability because of indifference from the GOI.
Makes lot of sense. Even today we have the sentinelese who doesn't want to be in touch with the modern people. Similarly, there would lot of tribes who want to follow their ethnic way and doesn't want to modernize. North east also an example. So a new advancement may not be accepted by another set of people. India is so diversed, even a language changes within 200 kms. If we could have so many languages, why not we have so many iron age groups, bronze age groups living in parallel. May be legend of Ram meeting Hanuman, is similar to a one prince from a different group meeting a minister from a different group. Western history is all about world changing at the same time. Bible fixing a time for creation etc... However they also agree to evolution of species too.
Bible is a political manifesto to take control and bring an end to chaos. It follows the same vision as prophet zarathustra who believed single source of truth is necessary for stability to exist otherwise we will have a society where everyone has their own personal morality and standard and they use "might is right" philosophy to crush whoever goes against their standards. Though their attempt was to create stability and order, they have no issues further creating disorder in a place that differs from their standard. But they are clear about the standards they have.
I come across your articles in print. I like it. Just one suggestion - you preserve an archeological site by spread rumour its haunted!! And people will stay away!!😅
well funny enough this works in India 😂, but negative side is it can become future haunted tourism site too
But then it gives way for vandals, smugglers to do things freely the
More power to Disha ! Commendable work !
Hi pls do a podcast with Yajna Devam who claims to have deciphered IVC as Classical Sanskrit. I feel like you can ask more pointed questions since you have some idea on Vedam. He claims that Harappans moved to Haryana, south India and Gangetic plains due to climate change - 200yr drought and drying up of Saraswati river. You can compare and contrast it with Dr. Shrikanth Talgeri's theory.
That’s amazing!
Don't believe anyone until they provide proof. We have seen many Dravidian nationalist types claim they've deciphered ivc script too.
In case of south Indian settlements even if iron mines were closer to people, they still need better furnaces than bronze age furnaces, dont they?
Need to preserve archeological sites
Personally loved this podcast
Mahabharata war lot of weapons were used this was post ivc when iron was in common use nilesh oak to correct his dates of Mahabharata
Archeology is science.
Historians work is their fantasies.
Pls add timestamps to your videos.
For history pls call surya roy sir and praveen mohan they are amazing and talk about dharmic revival.
Besides the veducation founder can also be great guest at your amazing podcast who is working to re establish gurukul school.Also Sahana singh who is based in usa to talk about ancient indian education.Venkatesh rangan sir is a great historian too who has published three books and worked upon ancient indian conquests and our great civilization.Raghava krishna ,the founder of brhat is doing great work.
Also ,Capt praveen chaturvedi who made sahib movie is great person who advocates for our santana cause and tells how it has been systematically destroyed.Shaleen wadhwani is a great art educator,curator and talks greatly on how British looted of our riches and how it can be repatriated
Disha jaisi wife chahiye but as i'm from kerala i know i'm gonna get a confused marxist girl,
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sathyam 😂💯
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Yeh kanya single hai? for archeological research purpose
Control uday control!
Pran jaye par Tarkak Na Jaye.
Married hai
@@mrinspalawat2752how do you know...??
She is really passionate and knowledgeable . Impressed. She is a Logical girl
Jai Hind 🇮🇳🙏
Wow what an interesting podcast. I really want to know the timeline continuity between mahabharat and ivc. I’m really interested in knowing a timeline of historical events according to Hindu itihasa and overlap it with the order of events recorded by the western or the marxists historians because the latter is what most people seem to follow. Can someone recommend a book for this?
As far as I understand, after the mahabharat war, ivc started. So what we think of as the mature and urban phase of ivc (2600-1900 BCE) is actually nothing compared to the glory of pre-mahabharat times. Of course, ivc by itself was extremely civilised and urbanised; I’m only making a comparison. Also i think it makes sense that ivc is post-mahabharat because the people there lived extremely isolated lives, maybe trying to cope with the horrors of the war?
P.S. I’m not a history student. I’m far from it. I am just an enthusiast who enjoys reading history a lot. I’m only theorising.
Mahabharat happened around 700 BC, if at all whether it did happen.
You have to understand difference between Civilization and Empires.
Mahabharat is war of empires or kingdoms.
Empires can not predate Civilizations.
This is archaeologically false.
We are pre harrappa we have kings in india who took Mahabharat dates
So why is there no government or ASI order to protect the site?
Disha is unbiased
Reich has this new paper recently in 2024 on Indo-European languages can you do a podcast on it unbox it please kushal
We need an Indiana Jones in ASI to revolutionize archeology.
Indiana Jones is such a bad example of an archaeologist. It would be more appropriate to call him a Tomb Raider.
Do we find records of conflicts between these distinct cultures ?
Thumbnail thoda kezual sa hain😂😂😂
Please interview Nilesh Oak
Hahahaha
@@nakulgote in astronomy he is very good rest is just guess work.
There are differences between the way west looks at science/philosphy/spiritualism etc.. They are looked at separately. Good to an extent, but holistic approach is what is Bharatiya culture, may be because of the long cultural continuity. We look at even time in cycles, in yugas. We look at science and spiritualism together. Of course even a human has physical parts and a mental part. Mind and body needs to be made healthy together, otherwise the sync is gone. That is why healing the mind, heals the body and vice versa. That is the reason quantum physics is trying to find answers in Upanishad
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The print website sucks. Article links never open.
Coexistence is the essence of this earth! 😐
I am really disappointed that even the current government, which is the only one which seems to take interest in real history of India, is so disinterested in archaeology.
Please have better mic.. audio is hard to listen to.
Pictorial aid will be useful km and Disha
I request podcast on downfall of Mumbai Indians 😅
Kushal,
Bishnoi killed Nijjar according to Kaneda. I'm sure you will have something to say about it.
who is bishnoi ??🤔
who is bishnoi??
@@rakeshbarman3486arey woh gangster hai na Sabarmati jail mein... Lawrence Bushnoi
@@namansinghnegi8931 gangster desh bhakt nikla.
Is she saying "pasterulist" ?
It's "pastoralist".
people confused with aaryan , steepe people/central asian, r1a1 haplogroup. they all are different in different era.
Disha ko dekh kar mai apni disha bhool chuka hu. Simping for disha 😍🥰😍😆
KUSHAL WERE YOU TALKING ABOUT RANVEER ALLAHABADIA'S PODCAST WITH "NIKESH NILKANTH OAK" AT 36:33 BECAUSE HE IS THE ONE 😂😂😂 WHO MADE ME LAUGH LOUD RECENTLY WHAT THE HELL IS HE SAYING 😭😭😭😭
I cant even abuse Mr Raman...hes got a divine name close to our hearts!!
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Wth...
Hes smart...but hes got khangress body parts inside certain parts of his own body!!!!
इंग्लिश का फौरन रिटन एक्सेंट सुनकर मैं बीच में ही सत्तोलॉजी का हिंदी लेक्चर सुनने जा रहा हूं, अपने कान साफ करने। टॉपिक कुछ जटिल भी लग रहा है।
Poor audio quality
U know u know u know😅
I disagree. Humans were well connected with each others even 5000-6000 years ago.
To say that Indians started using iron tools 1000 year before rest of humanity does not make any sense.
You can argue 10-100 years, but 1000 years is way to extreme.
Iron age spread like a wildfire throught the world after its invention.
did you read her column or what , it's not some presumption ,it's from archaeological findings and they did metallurgical testing , first go and read then comment,
most of us didn't read that column , I also didn't read that column, but after watching this podcast 1st time ,I read that print column
Problem with your logic . Earlier historians were pushing some date fot iron for whole world. Now with archaeological findings in india , we have proof that it started here 800 years earlier than prior date.
Now you can not just blind claim that it arated in whole world 800 years earlier . For that claim you will need archaeological evidence in other civilizations. Till that evidence and excavation and papers of other civilizations come, we can push indian proven dates 800years earlier . Qnd wait for other places to have evidence merged.
Science is continuous moving target. So problem with your statement is that we need to wait for archaological evidence for other places
I think Bhartiya archeologists need to work closely with scientist who work on DNA & RNA
Kushal at least look at her and listen to. Your wandering eyes shows you are busy reading something 😂
Also Disha needs a better microphone
There was a aaryan who came from west called bharat/bhrat fought with 10 indian king (5 indiginous +5 aaray king ) ,,,and he defeted all of them,, thats how aarayan become king of IVC ,,,,and that aarayan name taken as identity of india which bharat,,,,it mean bharat name is from aarayan west people
Madrasha graduate... Huh?
@@weird_philosopher vo to pta nhi ,,,par archeologist or acient history k book me yhi likha h,,,a profound archeologist (may be) and historian krithika madam tought this for IAS preparation
@@weird_philosopher kher tera nam weird h to tujhse weird bate hi expact kruga
I don't blame you cuz you have been reading same old historians and academicians books who ruined our history, archaeology ,
recent archaeological excavation ruined their propaganda
@@rakeshbarman3486 yes but upsc accept this syllabus ,,,,if you have guts then prove it wrong ....otherwise dont bark as of only emotion
Congratulations Kushal on you getting sold out and the publisher going for reprint.
Sorry Kushal - she’s better read than heard. Is not very persuasive verbally plus is very self conscious. Its important for a woman scholar to stay away from constantly preening with hair etc - unnecessary in a scholarly podcast. My pov. You could disagree!
dude believe me intellectual calibre doesn't mean speaking coherence, many scientists are highly acclaimed in their field but they are not good in speaking skills
Its okay man. Tomorrow you will demand that she should put her hair in hizab
@@pgjybbtqnrqehbkffbntwnhph2924 you’re a fool with no intellect. Don’t enter a convo you can’t amd don’t understand.
My stance is, I'm skeptical of Aryan invasion, but I don't think OIT has any possibility as in Indian dna going to Europe.
First lets look at DNA.
I don't see the genetics of Indians in Europeans. No European has single drop of South Asian hunter gatherer DNA. But most Indians have Eastern European hunter gatherer DNA which is a key component of steppe dna. And we all know Indus valley people were mixed with South Asian hunter gatherers. Today, highest amount of South Asian hunter gatherer DNA is found in paniya people.
Now coming to culture and language, this I believe there's a possibility could've originated in South Asia or Iran. Two key components of steppe dna are caucasian hunter gatherer and Eastern European hunter gatherers. Caucasian hunter gatherer is nearly identical to Iranian Neolithic hunter gatherer(key ancestry in IVC) with slight west Eurasian shift. So they probably had a common ancestor. Now if proto Indo European language and culture had most of its origins in the common ancestor of CHG and Iranian_N then it's indeed possible that the culture and language has origins in either Iran or North Western region of South Asia. It could even be Armenia or Anatolia.
Close but not there yet. Answer you are looking for is Mithras, The chaddest people on planet 3500-5000 years ago, every single thing about Indo-European culture, religions, languages, and genetic similarity and R1a originated from them.
You figure out source of origin of Mithras, you figure out whole Indo-European history.
And there are only 2 contenders....
1 Iranians
2 Indians
DNA gonna prove nothing coz every iindian has r1a1 haplogroup ( except NE & andamanese).
@@kalpeshkumarpatel380 not present day iirainian.
@@urrasscal8380Bro, the Iranians from the times of Darius are same as modern Iranians. Indians had already diverged from Iranians 10k years ago. Also it's not necessarily Iranian but Iranic people which includes people who live in Afghanistan, Tajikistan and even Uzbekistan used to have Iranic people. The dasa or dahae were one of those Iranic people. Let's not confuse Iranic with Iranian.
What if the migrants were not SAHG mixed. Only ZNF?
BJP ki parchi jadeja eats up the spot of Rinku Singh
BJP is anti poor Rinku is poor that's why he didn't got selected by Jay Shah .
Vote out BJP or they will destroy India like they destroy Indian cricket
true bro,,, BJP ne mere garib friend ko bawasir dediya lekin mujhe nahi diya
BJP ne mera friendship destroy kr diya so vote out BJP
@@sigmaweeb1259 see BJP Desh mein bawasir phaila rahi hai
Bhai chala ja kuch ganda bol dunga
You are charsi aren’t u
@@dharmahin shiv ji bhi charas ganja bhang maarte hain bhai
Mein bhi mast leta hoon
My crush is again back on a podcast ❤❤
The western lens is painted with western color. You can and will never identify Bhartiya shade with it.