FOR ANYONE PLAYING RED RESCUE TEAM WHO SEES THIS VIDEO: *IT WORKS.* However, after you quicksave and return to the main menu, you have to hard reset (shut off the GBA) and then turn it back on before resuming adventure to have the manipulation function. I've done this run just watching the video and it works like a charm :)
@@MCcarlos235 The leveling in the same in those games. there is some shortcuts tho, like taking a pokemon with an AOE attack like Charmander and farm in the big rooms of the silver trench. Mewtow dungeon also bring a lot of IQ. By eating a lot of jelly you should be unkillable around level 60
@@uwu_senpai agreed. Mewto dongeon is a great farm for xp and IQ. My first playthrough was a machamp around lvl 60, he became an unkillable destruction machine.
@@rpgeezplayz9089 That's pretty much the only reason I dislike that game so much. In all the other games you finish the main story around level 35-ish on a normal playthrough, but that game you finish around level 28-ish even though you go through just as many dungeons. The world tree level was awful because I was so underpowered
Hey, just tried your farming method, it works really well ! Just one update to it : I tried to do the exact same steps as you did, with just one difference : not eating the green gummi so that it doesn't affect Alakazam's Frustration damage in the long run, and i was able to grab the last joy seed and immediately leave the dungeon with an escape orb i brought with me with litteraly 1 hp left ! Anyway, thank you for all your guides !
With this though you wouldn’t need to use Alakazam unless you were using 3 linked Frustrations because you’d be able to gain 32 levels or more before the Gummi would take effect on Frust, and then at that point just use confusion or Psychic
@@WWASHDyou have to follow the movements to get to the seeds, but you don’t have to actually follow the movements for the manipulation to work. You only have to quick save at the same points in the video, after that you have freedom to move wherever you want and do whatever you want.
I forgot to unlock plustle and the first few seeds worked for me... then I messed up and didn't quick save the second time. My brain isn't big enough for this shit.
I've been attempting this many times now, and I've kept messing up running diagonals. Then I figured out what the R button is used for in this game in dungeons...I. Feel. Incredibly. Stupid.
Oh dear God I'm a friggin idiot. I'm playing on a 3DS... which has a thumbstick for diagonal controls... and is much easier to use than the d-pad for this... >_
He manually searched for them under these specific circumstances. Quick saving and belly fullness seem to be factors on whether or not they'll generate and how they will generate. he also is making exact movements that always result in the same circumstances, so the dungeon always generates the same way, every single time. The dungeon generation and loot generation in the game seems to take into account all of your actions in any given order at specific times as well as specific stats and potentially even what moves you use, quick saving, eating, or belly fullness upon entering a floor, picking up an item, encountering an item, may all effect this. Knowing this with trial and error, and maybe with the help of behind the scenes tools like a hex viewer as well as save states on a emulator for quick experimenting He was able to develop a ritual a set of actions that always almost 100% of the time generates specific circumstances and gets the highest yield.
From I understand from that, belly factor has nothing to do with this. It’s all quicksaving. When you quicksave, the dungeons “value” (how the dungeon appears and what makes it random) is set to 0 when you load the save and move to the next floor. After you quicksave, the rest of the dungeon is preset. That’s how quicksaving manipulation works. By quicksaving on the 1st floor, you can set the rest of the dungeon and it’ll be the same every time you re enter. Take Tiny Woods for example. If you quicksave on 1F, that floor would be the only random floor since the rest of the dungeon is set to whatever layout they have. That’s how Mystaldi found this out. By quicksaving and save states, he was able to find the locations of all the joy seeds.
One-Room Orb! you save state once you enter a floor, then use One-Room orb which tears down ALL walls letting u see all items, and then you load the state back!
You can just...... find Joy Seeds in the wall............. Okay then. A few questions, you said having Super Mobile works as well, but wouldn’t that screw with the RNG manipulation since you wouldn’t be able to travel through the walls in diagonals? If I remember correctly, Super Mobile lets you dig through the walls, but only in the cardinal directions, not diagonals. (Could be wrong though.) Secondly, would Thrawl and One-Room Orbs “reveal” them or does the game pretend like they don’t exist until you dig them out/pick them up? Thirdly... no seriously why are there Joy Seeds in the goddamn walls.
The RNG is only based on quicksaves, your movement on each floor is irrelevant (unless you're recruiting something). The one room + trawl orb combo would also absolutely work as well. And lastly, I have no idea haha ^_^
Mystaldi so wait. If only the quicksaves are relevant, does this mean I can take any Pokemon into the dungeon? Because I have a full IQ, lv 100 Blastoise which could wear a tight belt. Or is it possible that my Alakazam could bring some apples with, before entering the dungeon? I'm asking this, because the first time I tried the method you showed in the video, I had troubles with an empty belly, so what am I doing wrong? :c
@@AmedeoMCpretty sure you can bring your blastoise, it’s just that it’ll probably require more items thus less space to hoard all 16 joy seeds in the dungeon.
This route works for me up to 11F. When I make my second R input, instead of stopping just infront of the water as you show in the video, I instead stop right above the yellow tree. To get to the stairs, I end up needing one additional R input. Later on, 12F ends up with a different item/enemy layout. In the video, you can see a Gravelrock on the right side of your screen in 12F, but in my game it's a Max Elixir. Later in your patreon notes, after DD DR DD dr RR, I encounter a Flaafy who blocks my path through the tunnel, which isn't there in your video. Going ur (x3) and u (x2) like in your notes, I get 3 Gravelrocks on the corner of the wall and no Joy Seed. I have some slight differences from the video, but based on your comments elsewhere I'm not sure how much of a difference they make. I'm using a Natu instead of an Alakazam (but with the same move setup), and I'm usign Red instead of Blue (but I'm restarting the game after quicksaves which shouldn't change anything). I'm not really sure what's going wrong because everything matches up exactly to the video up until that one input on 11F.
There are differences like that between Red and Blue, and unfortunately all my routes are done on Blue. You'll just need to make some changes as you've pointed out. (Edit: I just realized! It's so different due to version exclusives. Having different pokemon spawn can completely change some item spawns, in this case you have plusle instead of minun I'm assumimg.)
@@Mystaldi How would someone playing Red make those changes? What's the process for finding this stuff out? Or do I just need to have Minun in Red EDIT: I just combed through the comments, I wasn't hard resetting. I think it may work now, I'll update this comment again after I complete a run! EDIT2: WOW! It worked, but I brought too many items into the dungeon to pick up the Green Gummi you had to eat on one of the floors (just in case I screwed up I brought another Cleanser Orb, a Reviver Seed, and an Escape Orb, on top of all the "optional items"), instead of that I ate one of the Joy Seeds. Funnily enough, I entered at level 30-ish, which gave me just enough HP to not starve to death before Floor 30 XD Thank you for the videos!
@@Dave_Chrome could you please explain if you did anything different? I'm playing on Red and having your same issues (getting the Flaaffy blocking the route and the 3 gravelrocks instead of the joy seed). I always turn off and on again the game boy after each quicksave, but it still generates the wrong objects in the right positions
@@coldplus1you need to have both version exclusives plusle and minum in your game. So go get a rescue job mail with both plusle and minum and you will unlock them both in your dungeons. You can also unlock all the version exclusives this way. You can look up a Pokémon rescue team wonder mail generator and generate all versions exclusives rescue team jobs in the easy dungeons so you can unlock them all quick.
Instead of Happiness, Frustration/Return work off of your IQ, which is raised only by Gummis if I remember correctly. If you’re lower level you probably won’t have high IQ, so Frustration’s damage should be maxed, if not high. I could be wrong on a lot of this though; it’s been a while since I last played.
Frustration does more damage the lower your IQ is (which means, a pokemon that didn't eat any Gummis will do the highest amount of damage). It also looks like it does fixed damage (similar to dragon rage), so it's an easy, reliable flat 45 damage.
Stompy it does a maximum of 45. But 45 damage is a lot for a level 16 Pokémon to do to these higher leveled enemies. It would do 45 if alakazam was level 1 as well
XortaClanc I don’t have any advice for manipulation per say, but it’s been known for ages a wondermail generator for blue rescue team exists. Google it, and for the reward item, pick vitamins, and a long easy dungeon. For me, I tend to prefer Mt. Steel. Good luck!
Yeah, I know about the wondermail generator, but it as it takes so long to input those codes, and because this manip exists, I thought there might be a chance for other manips to exist/be discovered as well, that's why I asked. It would save a lot of time in any case
@@8Bit-Peach hahah.. No.. Use One - Room Orb.. With That Theirs No Walls.. Any More Everything Will Be Visible.... Then Take A Screen Shot Or Do Recording..
Abra can be recruited between floors 1-8 of Solar Cave, with a base recruit chance of about 10%. It’s a little tricky since Abra only spawns as a sleeping Pokémon. It should be ready to evolve into Kadabra out of the gate, and you can easily get Link Cables by going back to Solar Cave and going to the HM rooms on floors 10, 15, and 20
Brute force mostly, I would just quicksave at the start and go through one room orbing each floor to find the joy seeds and then route from there, there was also someone in the speedrunning discord who later on mapped out a lot of the valuable items that spawn on each set of floors you get from quicksaving which was very helpful.
Could this be done with a Gardevoir? Ignoring the difference in base stats, would Trace affect the manipulation? I think I tried her at purity forest and died due to low stats, but Trace didn't affect anything?
Yeah, I think it would still work! The only problem is, some of the teleport manipulation is based on using the Frustration chain, so you might run into problems with that, but the joy seeds should be the same.
I don't know, what I'm doing wrong. The first time I tried this, it was like witchcraft. It worked so well. And then, I don't know, what happened, when I'm trying to do it again, it just doesn't work. It's so frustrating... Please help...
@@Mystaldi Thank you so much! You are literally a saint, for putting this out there! Trying to gather them, to finally recruit Keckleon, so not only thank you for the Joy Seed tutorial, but also thank you for the Keckleon tutorial! C:
So if I use anything that destroys walls (such as the 1 room orb or the IQ skills that lets you move through walls by destroying them) do the items become visible on the floor? And do items spawn in walls also normally (without any manipulation)?
Yes, the movements I have routed for this video are just the fastest, if you quicksave in the same places I do the items will appear in the same place. Without any manipulation you can still find items like this in the walls.
This is specifically routed in blue rescue team, there are slight differences in some parts of the game that will cause that, specifically version exclusive pokemon, it may not be the same
@@Mystaldi It works perfectly for red rescue team as well, just went through the whole thing on the Nintendo switch emulator. Just like you said for blue rescue team, for red you have to unlock minun and it will fix that problem. Also like the other comments said when you quick save you have to do a hard reset. This was a life saver, thank you!!
My Lairon just evolved into Aggron and I recruited a Larvitar a while ago ... How hard is it to get it to evolve into a Tyranitar at this point in the game without this trick (Shortly after beating Kyogre and before entering Burried Relic and Smeargle's mission ... I was training hard in Team Rumblerock's Dojo oh yes and I'm on Red rescue team version)
I think i saw him get 2 joy seed next to each other. So there might be more than just one. Just one question, how do you figure out where the seeds are?
Quicksaving sets things up so the rest of the dungeon is the same every time, so all I had to do was use a one room orb on each floor to find the items and then figure out how to get to them. Also, this may not work on Red Rescue Team. When you quicksave in RRT, you have to do a hard reset of the game to get the manipulation to work, but I don't know if the version difference effects anything.
The idea is that this pathing takes you straight to the seeds on the right spots if you follow the same steps and you quicksave on those specific places, this way the RNG will spawn the same maps with the same items on the same places This is the specific method for farming Joy Seeds, but you can also find other methods for farming different items, all based on manipulating the RNG like this
@@Mystaldi eh, I just found it a bit convenient since Mewtwo is difficult to recruit. Heck most of the Pokemon give away 600+ exp anyways I mean you have an awesome way of doing things your way.
I'm not too sure about that one actually, it's worth a try. I know quicksave manipulation works for other regions but I don't know if it will result in the same floor layouts.
Je n'est rien compris la manipulation ce serait formidable de rediger ca en francais! Car sinon je vais retourner sur la version dx et dans les ruines enfouies les objets caches dans les murs sont visibles aux rayons x !
@@cmchorda2646 I don't understand how that works... How do you unlock them or recruit them by just completing a job where he/she is the client? :/ Ex: I have Blue Rescue Team, I used a Wonder Mail code to unlock/recruit Roselia, wich is exclusive of Red Rescue Team, and nothing happened... just got the common rewards for completing the job but not Roselia... :/
@@sefirot57 You have unlocked Roselia in the sense that it'll now appear in dungeons as a Pokemon you can recruit. In PMD EoS you can get people recruited after missions are done but not in this game. You'll have to go find Roselia. I think they appear in Uproar Forest.
It won’t because quicksaving has been changed from setting the rest of the dungeon to just being a save Note: the whole setting of the rest of the dungeon isn’t intentional so it makes sense why it was fixed
@@poolygoliath7833 Alakazam is the best teleport user at low level. Teleport is just to avoid walking and fighting Pokemon. You can use any Pokemon with max IQ, but it's longer.
If I remember correctly, a lot of his RNG manipulation is based on trial and error with save states on Virtual Console or emulator. Subsequent room layouts are fixed when you quicksave at a particular floor, which makes manipulation doable on console. Cheating in infinite One-Room Orbs and Trawl Orbs would help in that process too
Hmm I’m having trouble following the guide. Im not sure why my frustration doesnt deal 45 damage each time which screws the whole route up. Also it appears that moving down and left compared to diagonally in one move changes things
![[PMD] Blue Rescue Team - Recruiting Regirock, Regice, and Registeel in 10:00!](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/7FsiMbcQ1io/mqdefault.jpg)
"Very angry Psychic Fox-Man beats up locals and tears apart walls for seeds"
Since when Alakazam is a fox?!? (O.o!)
@@sefirot57 If you compare Abra's closed eyes to a keaton mask or kyuubi, or fox mask they do look quite similar.
@@troyschramii4828 Yeah, but even with the resemblance Alakazam is definitely not a fox
I’M DOING A 100% RUN AND THE LEVELING PROCESS IS DISGUSTING SO THIS IS GREAT THANK YOU
Mystery dungeon leveling /neg
real, like tf u mean i need over 30000 exp to level up 😭😭😭😭
FOR ANYONE PLAYING RED RESCUE TEAM WHO SEES THIS VIDEO: *IT WORKS.* However, after you quicksave and return to the main menu, you have to hard reset (shut off the GBA) and then turn it back on before resuming adventure to have the manipulation function. I've done this run just watching the video and it works like a charm :)
Thank you! I was scouring the comments to see if anyone else had tried this with red rescue team.
Any idea if this works on emulators?
Why do you need to quicksave to do it
you should put all these manipulations into a TAS for a 100% run, itd be super cool to see how fast it could be done
Because of how TAS is I’m sure on the GBA version it could avoid quicksaves altogether and manipulate the seed directly.
Wow this is gonna save so much time. I don't need to go farm western cave anymore. Thanks man.
This is great, I myself have been trying to manipulate the RNG into farming life seeds but to no luck yet. Appreciate your vids
I approve of this. The level up system in blue rescue team is so painfully slow I'm glad they improved it in the explorer games
Painful in Blue? I'm so fucking intrigated how that affects during your adventures, as I played Red.
@@MCcarlos235 The leveling in the same in those games. there is some shortcuts tho, like taking a pokemon with an AOE attack like Charmander and farm in the big rooms of the silver trench. Mewtow dungeon also bring a lot of IQ. By eating a lot of jelly you should be unkillable around level 60
@@uwu_senpai agreed.
Mewto dongeon is a great farm for xp and IQ.
My first playthrough was a machamp around lvl 60, he became an unkillable destruction machine.
super mystery dungeons xp system is way worse than blue rescue teams system..
@@rpgeezplayz9089 That's pretty much the only reason I dislike that game so much. In all the other games you finish the main story around level 35-ish on a normal playthrough, but that game you finish around level 28-ish even though you go through just as many dungeons. The world tree level was awful because I was so underpowered
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Hey, just tried your farming method, it works really well !
Just one update to it : I tried to do the exact same steps as you did, with just one difference : not eating the green gummi so that it doesn't affect Alakazam's Frustration damage in the long run, and i was able to grab the last joy seed and immediately leave the dungeon with an escape orb i brought with me with litteraly 1 hp left !
Anyway, thank you for all your guides !
With this though you wouldn’t need to use Alakazam unless you were using 3 linked Frustrations because you’d be able to gain 32 levels or more before the Gummi would take effect on Frust, and then at that point just use confusion or Psychic
It works also in Red Rescue Team. The only differences are that you have to reset the game after quicksave and you have to unlock Minun
Thanks man i was looking for this comment :D
I'm Sorry for necropostinfg, I have to move as he moves? I didnt understand how the manip works
@@WWASHDyou have to follow the movements to get to the seeds, but you don’t have to actually follow the movements for the manipulation to work. You only have to quick save at the same points in the video, after that you have freedom to move wherever you want and do whatever you want.
I forgot to unlock plustle and the first few seeds worked for me... then I messed up and didn't quick save the second time. My brain isn't big enough for this shit.
I've been attempting this many times now, and I've kept messing up running diagonals. Then I figured out what the R button is used for in this game in dungeons...I. Feel. Incredibly. Stupid.
Only took me a day or 2 to figure out what the r did. Stuff happens
Even with the R button, I somehow keep running the wrong direction, like DL instead of UL... >_
Oh dear God I'm a friggin idiot. I'm playing on a 3DS... which has a thumbstick for diagonal controls... and is much easier to use than the d-pad for this... >_
Your RNG manip guides are really helpful! You earned a sub my man.
i guess this is faster than my method of holding A and B in the middle of Western Cave. Thanks!
Is it just me or is his voice kinda soothing after hearing dream scream for 40 mins.
I dont get how you can know where the joy seeds are hiddem
He manually searched for them under these specific circumstances. Quick saving and belly fullness seem to be factors on whether or not they'll generate and how they will generate. he also is making exact movements that always result in the same circumstances, so the dungeon always generates the same way, every single time. The dungeon generation and loot generation in the game seems to take into account all of your actions in any given order at specific times as well as specific stats and potentially even what moves you use, quick saving, eating, or belly fullness upon entering a floor, picking up an item, encountering an item, may all effect this. Knowing this with trial and error, and maybe with the help of behind the scenes tools like a hex viewer as well as save states on a emulator for quick experimenting He was able to develop a ritual a set of actions that always almost 100% of the time generates specific circumstances and gets the highest yield.
From I understand from that, belly factor has nothing to do with this. It’s all quicksaving. When you quicksave, the dungeons “value” (how the dungeon appears and what makes it random) is set to 0 when you load the save and move to the next floor. After you quicksave, the rest of the dungeon is preset. That’s how quicksaving manipulation works. By quicksaving on the 1st floor, you can set the rest of the dungeon and it’ll be the same every time you re enter. Take Tiny Woods for example. If you quicksave on 1F, that floor would be the only random floor since the rest of the dungeon is set to whatever layout they have.
That’s how Mystaldi found this out. By quicksaving and save states, he was able to find the locations of all the joy seeds.
@@mr.krustykrust Yes, it resets the seed to its base state.
One-Room Orb! you save state once you enter a floor, then use One-Room orb which tears down ALL walls letting u see all items, and then you load the state back!
@@AphidKirby This Is The Most Helpful Method All Other Doing Blah Blah..
Very to see how doing fast level up! With only 1 quicksave I found 9 sitrus berry in Ancient Relic, I think it can be improved.
watching these videos makes me want to play pmd
You can just...... find Joy Seeds in the wall.............
Okay then.
A few questions, you said having Super Mobile works as well, but wouldn’t that screw with the RNG manipulation since you wouldn’t be able to travel through the walls in diagonals? If I remember correctly, Super Mobile lets you dig through the walls, but only in the cardinal directions, not diagonals. (Could be wrong though.)
Secondly, would Thrawl and One-Room Orbs “reveal” them or does the game pretend like they don’t exist until you dig them out/pick them up?
Thirdly... no seriously why are there Joy Seeds in the goddamn walls.
The RNG is only based on quicksaves, your movement on each floor is irrelevant (unless you're recruiting something). The one room + trawl orb combo would also absolutely work as well. And lastly, I have no idea haha ^_^
Mystaldi so wait. If only the quicksaves are relevant, does this mean I can take any Pokemon into the dungeon? Because I have a full IQ, lv 100 Blastoise which could wear a tight belt. Or is it possible that my Alakazam could bring some apples with, before entering the dungeon?
I'm asking this, because the first time I tried the method you showed in the video, I had troubles with an empty belly, so what am I doing wrong? :c
@@AmedeoMCpretty sure you can bring your blastoise, it’s just that it’ll probably require more items thus less space to hoard all 16 joy seeds in the dungeon.
None of these videos are in your blue Playlist. Thought I was through all your videos but I am wrong
This route works for me up to 11F. When I make my second R input, instead of stopping just infront of the water as you show in the video, I instead stop right above the yellow tree. To get to the stairs, I end up needing one additional R input.
Later on, 12F ends up with a different item/enemy layout. In the video, you can see a Gravelrock on the right side of your screen in 12F, but in my game it's a Max Elixir. Later in your patreon notes, after DD DR DD dr RR, I encounter a Flaafy who blocks my path through the tunnel, which isn't there in your video. Going ur (x3) and u (x2) like in your notes, I get 3 Gravelrocks on the corner of the wall and no Joy Seed.
I have some slight differences from the video, but based on your comments elsewhere I'm not sure how much of a difference they make. I'm using a Natu instead of an Alakazam (but with the same move setup), and I'm usign Red instead of Blue (but I'm restarting the game after quicksaves which shouldn't change anything).
I'm not really sure what's going wrong because everything matches up exactly to the video up until that one input on 11F.
There are differences like that between Red and Blue, and unfortunately all my routes are done on Blue. You'll just need to make some changes as you've pointed out. (Edit: I just realized! It's so different due to version exclusives. Having different pokemon spawn can completely change some item spawns, in this case you have plusle instead of minun I'm assumimg.)
@@Mystaldi Yes I have plusle and no minun. I'm assuming I need both for the route to work?
@@Mystaldi How would someone playing Red make those changes? What's the process for finding this stuff out? Or do I just need to have Minun in Red
EDIT: I just combed through the comments, I wasn't hard resetting. I think it may work now, I'll update this comment again after I complete a run!
EDIT2: WOW! It worked, but I brought too many items into the dungeon to pick up the Green Gummi you had to eat on one of the floors (just in case I screwed up I brought another Cleanser Orb, a Reviver Seed, and an Escape Orb, on top of all the "optional items"), instead of that I ate one of the Joy Seeds. Funnily enough, I entered at level 30-ish, which gave me just enough HP to not starve to death before Floor 30 XD
Thank you for the videos!
@@Dave_Chrome could you please explain if you did anything different? I'm playing on Red and having your same issues (getting the Flaaffy blocking the route and the 3 gravelrocks instead of the joy seed).
I always turn off and on again the game boy after each quicksave, but it still generates the wrong objects in the right positions
@@coldplus1you need to have both version exclusives plusle and minum in your game. So go get a rescue job mail with both plusle and minum and you will unlock them both in your dungeons. You can also unlock all the version exclusives this way. You can look up a Pokémon rescue team wonder mail generator and generate all versions exclusives rescue team jobs in the easy dungeons so you can unlock them all quick.
Why frustration specifically? I’m kinda new to mystery dungeon and I’m curious of why you chose that?
Instead of Happiness, Frustration/Return work off of your IQ, which is raised only by Gummis if I remember correctly. If you’re lower level you probably won’t have high IQ, so Frustration’s damage should be maxed, if not high. I could be wrong on a lot of this though; it’s been a while since I last played.
Frustration does more damage the lower your IQ is (which means, a pokemon that didn't eat any Gummis will do the highest amount of damage). It also looks like it does fixed damage (similar to dragon rage), so it's an easy, reliable flat 45 damage.
Nauriek so, it does more damage based on how low your IQ is, with a minimum damage of 45?
Stompy it does a maximum of 45. But 45 damage is a lot for a level 16 Pokémon to do to these higher leveled enemies. It would do 45 if alakazam was level 1 as well
Oh god I needed this so much. Thank you
Does this also work the same way for Red Rescue Team or do you need Minun instead?
It does, you just need to hard reset (shut off the GBA) after you quicksave. You might also need Minun in the dungeon
I was wondering if you had any manipulations for farming sitrus berries/vitamins as well, since those can be a bit annoying to get?
XortaClanc I don’t have any advice for manipulation per say, but it’s been known for ages a wondermail generator for blue rescue team exists. Google it, and for the reward item, pick vitamins, and a long easy dungeon. For me, I tend to prefer Mt. Steel.
Good luck!
Yeah, I know about the wondermail generator, but it as it takes so long to input those codes, and because this manip exists, I thought there might be a chance for other manips to exist/be discovered as well, that's why I asked. It would save a lot of time in any case
Do these exploits work with Abra, Kadabra, or an Alakazam acquired via the Wish function in Wish Cave?
Yup!
Does this work for Red Rescue team?
I'm pretty sure it does, I've done a quicksave manipulation by Mystaldi on Red rescue team and it worked fine
It does, you just need to hard reset (shut off the GBA) after you quicksave. You might also need Minun in the dungeon
On your Patreon page there's an error: on F2 after Frustration is UL, not UR.
Oh thanks! I'll check it out.
do ghost types work for this as well? also how do they form in walls?
4 years late, but the way it works is that burrowed items can spawn inside wall tiles, some rare items can only be found this way
How do you know where all the Joy Seeds are when they're invisible on the map?
Mickelräven i guess he digs all the walls in the map and record the locations of each seed... really appreciate his hard working
@@8Bit-Peach hahah.. No.. Use One - Room Orb.. With That Theirs No Walls.. Any More Everything Will Be Visible.... Then Take A Screen Shot Or Do Recording..
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Oh god, oh no lmaoooo
can you make a video on how to get pokemon like alakazam or machamp?
I have the idea that I gotta trade something or use a link cable.
Abra can be recruited between floors 1-8 of Solar Cave, with a base recruit chance of about 10%. It’s a little tricky since Abra only spawns as a sleeping Pokémon.
It should be ready to evolve into Kadabra out of the gate, and you can easily get Link Cables by going back to Solar Cave and going to the HM rooms on floors 10, 15, and 20
@@The_Legendary_Nic oh my gosh I forgot I commented on this video lol
thank you a bunch though
Does this work in Red too?
How does this work with the walls and quiksaving
Quicksaving presets the rest of the dungeon, do by trial and error, you can map exactly where everything is
How were people supposed to naturally find that first joyseed 🤔🤔🤔
How do you know there is a joy seed in the fields? There’s nothing indicated on the map to be picked up
Brute force mostly, I would just quicksave at the start and go through one room orbing each floor to find the joy seeds and then route from there, there was also someone in the speedrunning discord who later on mapped out a lot of the valuable items that spawn on each set of floors you get from quicksaving which was very helpful.
Could this be done with a Gardevoir? Ignoring the difference in base stats, would Trace affect the manipulation?
I think I tried her at purity forest and died due to low stats, but Trace didn't affect anything?
Yeah, I think it would still work! The only problem is, some of the teleport manipulation is based on using the Frustration chain, so you might run into problems with that, but the joy seeds should be the same.
How do you know where are joy seeds
I don't know, what I'm doing wrong. The first time I tried this, it was like witchcraft. It worked so well. And then, I don't know, what happened, when I'm trying to do it again, it just doesn't work. It's so frustrating...
Please help...
Make sure that you quicksave everywhere that I do. If you're playing on Red, reset the game after you quicksave
@@Mystaldi Thank you so much! You are literally a saint, for putting this out there! Trying to gather them, to finally recruit Keckleon, so not only thank you for the Joy Seed tutorial, but also thank you for the Keckleon tutorial! C:
So if I use anything that destroys walls (such as the 1 room orb or the IQ skills that lets you move through walls by destroying them) do the items become visible on the floor? And do items spawn in walls also normally (without any manipulation)?
Yes, the movements I have routed for this video are just the fastest, if you quicksave in the same places I do the items will appear in the same place. Without any manipulation you can still find items like this in the walls.
I'm playing red rescue team and doing all the steps right but at the 5th seed i find a gravelerock instead. What am i doing wrong?
This is specifically routed in blue rescue team, there are slight differences in some parts of the game that will cause that, specifically version exclusive pokemon, it may not be the same
@@Mystaldi It works perfectly for red rescue team as well, just went through the whole thing on the Nintendo switch emulator. Just like you said for blue rescue team, for red you have to unlock minun and it will fix that problem. Also like the other comments said when you quick save you have to do a hard reset. This was a life saver, thank you!!
Amazing. Thanks for the video
My Lairon just evolved into Aggron and I recruited a Larvitar a while ago ... How hard is it to get it to evolve into a Tyranitar at this point in the game without this trick (Shortly after beating Kyogre and before entering Burried Relic and Smeargle's mission ... I was training hard in Team Rumblerock's Dojo oh yes and I'm on Red rescue team version)
Level 55. Simple as that
Do Team Hydro
They give 2833 EXP if you defeat all of them (Hint: Charizard With Heat Wave and Articuno with Powder Snow)
Does this work for red recue team?
Is there only one Joy Seed in the walls per floor?
There might be more than one on some floors? I don't remember to be honest.
I think i saw him get 2 joy seed next to each other. So there might be more than just one. Just one question, how do you figure out where the seeds are?
@@johnlabu1154 One room orbs and Trial multiple tries to look at all stages, then adding in the rng manip to fix room seeds and routing
1st floor screwed me over with explosive tiles and being sandwiched by pokemon haha
My brain hurts...
Does it actually matter what Pokemon you use besides saving time teleporting to the stairs?
As long as you teleport or have the IQ skill that lets you move through walls, it shouldn't matter too much.
Does it matter whether or not I hold B when moving around?
No just quick save at the exact moments
This is one hell of a method.
How do you know where the item is anyways? And does this work on the other version: Red Rescue Team?
Quicksaving sets things up so the rest of the dungeon is the same every time, so all I had to do was use a one room orb on each floor to find the items and then figure out how to get to them. Also, this may not work on Red Rescue Team. When you quicksave in RRT, you have to do a hard reset of the game to get the manipulation to work, but I don't know if the version difference effects anything.
@@Mystaldi I am playing on an emulator anyways. So I can just save and delete the file over and over again. But I guess this can help.
Can you confirm if this works on RRT after spending some time with this? Cuz this stuff seems absurdly overpowered and I would love to use it.
It works. You just need to turn it off after every quicksave (hard reset)
i don't understand how this works. how do you know were to go to find these seeds to me it looks like your just going to random spots on the map
The idea is that this pathing takes you straight to the seeds on the right spots if you follow the same steps and you quicksave on those specific places, this way the RNG will spawn the same maps with the same items on the same places
This is the specific method for farming Joy Seeds, but you can also find other methods for farming different items, all based on manipulating the RNG like this
This would work... But fighting those Blastoise and Charizard's in Western cave seems almost as effective...
Going 90 floors to grind everytime seems like a bit much, grinding the Team Hydro dojo is the fastest way normally.
@@Mystaldi eh, I just found it a bit convenient since Mewtwo is difficult to recruit. Heck most of the Pokemon give away 600+ exp anyways I mean you have an awesome way of doing things your way.
Is there a new place the dungeon notes are now that the patreon is defunct?
Discord! Starting to add them in a channel there
Thank you. I might join later then.
Is there any manipulations for EOS?
Sadly no :(
Are these manips exclusive to game region or can I reproduce these on a european game?
I'm not too sure about that one actually, it's worth a try. I know quicksave manipulation works for other regions but I don't know if it will result in the same floor layouts.
@@Mystaldi Thank you for the quick reply! I'll try as soon as I can and report the results.
@@Mystaldi All floor layouts were the same, I was able to recruit mew successfully! Thank you so much for your guides!
Je n'est rien compris la manipulation ce serait formidable de rediger ca en francais! Car sinon je vais retourner sur la version dx et dans les ruines enfouies les objets caches dans les murs sont visibles aux rayons x !
9:21 Plusle and Minum exclusives?? I see both of them in the same game... :/
You can unlock them
@@cmchorda2646 I don't understand how that works... How do you unlock them or recruit them by just completing a job where he/she is the client? :/
Ex: I have Blue Rescue Team, I used a Wonder Mail code to unlock/recruit Roselia, wich is exclusive of Red Rescue Team, and nothing happened... just got the common rewards for completing the job but not Roselia... :/
@@sefirot57 You have unlocked Roselia in the sense that it'll now appear in dungeons as a Pokemon you can recruit.
In PMD EoS you can get people recruited after missions are done but not in this game. You'll have to go find Roselia. I think they appear in Uproar Forest.
For some reason floor 12 joy seeds are gravelerocks
Does this only work for blue? What about red?
It does, you just need to hard reset (shut off the GBA) after you quicksave. You might also need Minun in the dungeon
Would this work for red as well? Or just blue?
Just Blue, sorry. You can give it a try, making sure to reset the game after each quicksave, but I doubt it will work. :(
Yes, I tried it, this also worked for red, but in 12f, I picked up Gravelerock, not Joy seed :P
Enler Rakuen awesome! So everything else is joy seeds?
@@csh86 And in 13f,not joy seed, the others are joy seeds
Do you have to do this move by move???
Yes
@@Mystaldi oh well. Where do I find an alakazam?
@@IStoleAllYourCookies solar cave (abra)
I'm interested to play on emulator..can i get that wondermail when play using emulator?
Yes iirc, there are wondermail generator websites for rescue team games. It's just a bunch of code afterall
@@rin8310 if i want to use code on B rank but im in C rank, does it work? Do i need to go to postgame first? Sorry for bombarding you with question
@@johnlabu1154 not able to answer, but the discord might be helpful
If youre playing on emulator, you might aswell use cheat codes for infinite exp or joy seeds...
@@shadowblitzo123 just want to experience the "pain" people talk about this game but can't afford to buy the real console
Stream?
Does this work on red rescue team
It does, you just need to hard reset (shut off the GBA) after you quicksave. You might also need Minun in the dungeon
Hopefully this'll work on the new HD version
Doubt it
It won’t because quicksaving has been changed from setting the rest of the dungeon to just being a save
Note: the whole setting of the rest of the dungeon isn’t intentional so it makes sense why it was fixed
Anyone know if this works for Rescue team DX?
Noooope
Does this work in dx?
No
I'm so confused
Recruit kadabra instead of abra so that alakazam is level 30
The level doesn't really matter too much for this strat, plus that's much harder to do without manipulation.
Thank you sooooo much
Can you do this without a level 16 Alakazam?
Level doesn't matter for this, I was just demonstrating that you can do this with the lowest possible leveled Alakazam.
@@Mystaldithanks, but I have another question. Can we use another Pokemon instead of Alakazam?
@@poolygoliath7833 Alakazam is the best teleport user at low level. Teleport is just to avoid walking and fighting Pokemon. You can use any Pokemon with max IQ, but it's longer.
@@alphaclement7695 okkkk thanks :)
Plllss explain this manipulation stuff! I don't find anything about this on Google etc!
If I remember correctly, a lot of his RNG manipulation is based on trial and error with save states on Virtual Console or emulator. Subsequent room layouts are fixed when you quicksave at a particular floor, which makes manipulation doable on console.
Cheating in infinite One-Room Orbs and Trawl Orbs would help in that process too
You have to be fat for this work
Stream more, nerd!
I can't anymore, my internet isn't good enough :(
@@Mystaldi Maybe It Will Be Good Soon..
It doesn't work at all, I fucking tried for one week😂.
Please help me I'm really desperate...
PS: I have RRT and Idk how I can do it.
You have to reset after quicksaving.
BAD
Hmm I’m having trouble following the guide. Im not sure why my frustration doesnt deal 45 damage each time which screws the whole route up. Also it appears that moving down and left compared to diagonally in one move changes things
You increased the IQ on your Alakazam, which makes the attack do less damage. Just recruit another Abra and evolve it to Alakazam and use that one. :P
Mystaldi thank you!
Does it work with Red Rescue Team ?
Yes! But when he quicksaves and returns to the menu, you need to shut off and turn back on the GBA for it to work
Does it have to be lightning field?
Unfortunately yeah because this place seems to have those than anything, I remember with my Charizard with max CI I got sitrus berry very frequent.