I'm looking forward to Arrow Lake... the latency should be very low with no Hyper-Threading... the last PC I built was for my younger brother with an 12600K but I'm still running X58 and X99 systems myself haha... it'll be nice to run something faster for my music production and Photoshop workloads.
auto meldown mode by 3(and a half) MB producers :D with the specs by intel the MB limits the voltage so the cpu can never pull the voltage that is damaging....probably also the reason why intel never noticed the problem befor....
@@proxis9980 it's much deeper than that. The performance and efficient cores connected using the same rails, and those rails were susceptible to damage when the voltage is set to higher than what Intel outlined. And that's one of the reasons why the damage is permanent to the affected 13th and 14th generation cpus.
@@yadayada4559 how is that"much " deeper?....the quint essence stays EXACTLY the same.....cpu requests to much voltage which it would never get with not insane MB settings...and that not all cpus have it in fact problable less than we even think (remeber the 4090 melted connectors or the 3090tis dieng on the amazon game in the end it was like what globaly 5000cards ? but the youtuber spend 2months complaning ?) ....same shit probably......ive yet to see somebody beeing able to systematicly reproduce the problem....
@@enilenis Intel is not dead, they're too important to US chip manufacturing, US government won't let them fail. If Boeing can kill hundreds of people with faulty planes and still survive, Intel can too.
Intel needs to handle the 13th/14th gen issues and take care of all customers before myself or anyone I know would even think about their new line of cpu's
Why would anyone trust Intel at this point they really still have not dealt with current issues 13/14 gen there going to continue dragging there feet how many people will end up with broken systems because of this.
@@loomawoe Since Intel has yet to come clean on the problems with their chips (and seem to be actively trying to hide them) I have zero trust in them anymore.
@@loomawoe At least, intel will lose a large amount of consumers who bought 13th/14th CPU.Even Arrow Lake have better performance than AM5,I wont buy it.
Here is what I feel more than anything about new Intel chip: Did they actually solve ring bus voltage issue, or did Raptor Lake issues migrate to Arrow Lake. Inheriting the issues of Raptor Lake. I am telling you this as 12 year owner of Intel CPUs only. 12 years before that on AMD I also speak as a person who is sitting on the 2nd 13900k after RMA. As much as these benchmarks are cool, I want to understand if they can confidently call their new chip "stable" and "issue free" It's way more important to me now, rather than if they can beat Ryzen 9950X, because I know they can...but what about the quality and consistency?
The fast Intel ringbus and 6 GHz boosting, to feed the superior IMC, simply come with a price: faster core degradation. AMD has this too, but with safer boosting voltages.
@@michaelmcconnell7302yes because it's only the i9 chips that are affected which barely any general consumers have so idk why so many people are crying about it tbh
@@Serandi1987 Would be good and the right thing to do but I don't see Intel shipping millions of CPUs, new boards and memory. I fear they will just continue to ignore it and brush it under the carpet.
Those benchmarks are not good for Intel. 3/6 benchmarks showed equal or lower absolute performance. For a new architecture on a new process node, this seems like a disaster. Normally in such situations, there’s a clear performance improvement across the board.
Intel is headed for a bulldozer era. The problem for calling for "competition" at this point is that Intel still has a dominant market position and can afford to be knocked down a few pegs, so that they will learn to stop being the Boeing of the semiconductor industry. There has to punishment for cockups or lessons will never be learned.
This is bad but not for an obvious reason. 14900ks have pretty extreme reliability problems and you are telling me that they want to put 20% higher clocks on it, that is madness. If the ring bus is melting as is then this might drop reliability even further. Now this could all have been fixed in design but Intel hasn't clarified the issue so it is still up in the air so it looks like a big win for AMD to me.
Same performance or 20% on Multi Core....That's not really great looking to me. And If I had read that correctly still 250 watts. Zen 5 looking good in comparison to me. Just wish they could do better on their GPU side.
zen 5 is miles ahead of 15th gen. this is probably as good as it gets for the 285k as it's a qualifying sample. the performance uplift is very mediocre. i mean the single threaded performance is basically the same. r9 9950x matches the multi core performance of 285k running at just 160 watts compared to 250 watts on the i9. and the single thread performance is significantly ahead of the i9 as well.
@@Tugela60 I’m sure everyone has issues but nothing comparable to the intel 13/14th gen disaster. And look at the way intel handles it. You expect me to still trust them?
*Arrow Lake's Multi-thread problem...* The people that tend to care more about multi-threading processing power ALSO tend to be people who do more research. And/or people who need these platforms for work. Thus RELIABILITY will be a huge factor in their decision and these people are likely going to know about the Intel failures. Intel needs to earn back trust and they certainly aren't going about it the right way currently. They are STILL selling CPU's that will start DEGRADING the second you start using them as the BIOS patch needed won't be ready for likely a few months (and even then many people won't even know to update their BIOS/UEFI). I'm sure they'll get the micro-code sorted for new CPU's that are being made but they haven't pulled their current store inventory yet AFAIK. That's not good.
The Ryzen AI 9 HX 370 based on Zen 5 is pretty awesome considering how low power it is. It beats out anything on the market now so Arrow Lake will NEED to be better, and also not melt. Without knowing Intel desktop configs for their CPUs, If Intel goes SMT-1 then for the processors where AMD has higher thread counts I'd say AMD has the advantage because looking at what they did with the laptop part mentioned above I have to think Zen 5 desktop is a pretty big boost for multithreaded scores, but it's going to depend on what they can pull off with their infinity fabric.
I still would rather see, Amd or Intel innovating on the desktop front and offering chips that use 60watts or less with huge gains due to new cache systems in place instead of cranking up clock speeds and making our power bills climb up a wall.
*Building a COMPUTER in 2024 has gotten easier...* "Hey tech expert, I've been told to decide on the CPU first. Which one do you recommend?" *Tech expert* "What's your budget? Then we can decide which AMD CPU makes sense. Why not Intel? Well, they have to earn back people's trust and that needs a generation or two..."
Last year’s exploding AMD CPUs weren’t as bad as the 13th-/14th-gen Intel CPUs degrading. Why? - The catastrophic failure of AMD CPUs was due to motherboard manufacturers (ASUS was the worst one) applying increased voltage to the CPUs’ SoC to force higher stable memory frequencies. AMD is partially at fault here for not prohibiting motherboard manufacturers from doing that. - Intel’s fault lies within faulty manufacturing (for a smaller badge of CPUs) as well as Intel microcode demanding too high voltages from the motherboard power stages. That’s why Intel had to release new microcode versions (0x129 and newer) to change this voltage table. Is that really the end of it? We don’t know, yet. Intel’s behaving worse than AMD since AMD from the beginning said they’ll RMA any defective CPU whereas Intel has been trying to get out of as much responsibility as they (pseudo-) legally can. Every higher-end 13th- and 14th-gen Intel CPU that ran a while with older microcode is potentially damaged now and may be failing in the not too distant future. The used market for these parts will be a dumpster fire to watch the next years.
@@abavariannormiepleb9470 BS. Intel has expanded the warranty to 5 years (by the way, did AMD expand the warranty because of the issue? NO. And there may be degraded AMD 3D CPU's in users' computers because of this case). Intel replaces all defective CPU's. These are almost exactly same type of cases but of course there are nuances. And by the way, a very considerable factor in the Intel case was ALSO the MB manufacturers default OC and power limits. So almost exactly the same reasons.
Intel need to sort out i9 13900& i914900 before they think about 15gen arrow lake. Will Arrow lake last 6mnths -2yrs stable then fall of a cliff or will they last for as long as you need them. Also how much power are Intel pumping through them to keep up with AMD.
Old E-Cores were actually like Skylake. i5 skylake cores since they had no hyperthreading. Now it's more like somwhere between an 11th gen core and 12 gen P-core. The rise in performance i huge for the new e-cores. They get you 20% more performance despite hyperthreading not being there anymore for the P-cores, so the performance uplift for the e-cores are much greater than 20%
Intel needs Arrow Lake to be a home run.... Raptor Lake may well turn out to be Lawsuit Lake.... my 13900k is apparently fine ever since I put it in the motherboard but too many people have been reporting issues.
Will it have the same ring bus high voltage deterioration as Intel's previous generation? E cores sharing the same lane as P Cores and causing it to overheat.
4:58 Ooooff Those bench results looks very bad. Literally 1% improvement in GeekBench SC performance. AMD is looking better for gamers. Also VideoCardz shows an average of 4% uplift over the 14900K in various benchmarks. The lack of hyper threading will bite back Intel in the bum.
I don’t understand why they don’t make one or more designs with just 8 massive cores. Amd or intel have shown they have extra power and transistors budget so why not? Can still make other high core parts for production work but give us the choice
Like a plague. Intel processor should be avoided until they recall all affected 13th and 14th gen cpu. 100% eventual failure rate. How can you be ok with that.
Seems like ARL won't even catch up to Zen 4. Well, not even if ARL won't fail also after just a few months. AMD won't have any competition for years, again. Too bad.
*They found one of the biggest culprits of the degeneration of Intel processors to be the E-cores. Because they kept adding more and more E-cores and upping the power requirement, it eventually caused severe issues in the architecture integrity.* *Now they got rid of hyperthreading and use the E-cores to replace the hyperthreading. What do you think is gonna happen? Voltage issues again. I told everyone the big little processor architecture was dumb. Yet a multi-billion dollar corporation couldn't figure it out for themselves?*
I just purchased a new PC a month ago and it has an i514400F. I don’t play games or overclock. So I’m wondering if I’m ok? I just haven’t been able find out if this cpu is prone to this issue? I really don’t want to run any of the stress tests since that may permanently start the damage.
I can say I am lucky for I don't encounter any problem with my 14900k+rtx4090 combo. Daily rendering 8k videos for all my channel and never had any problem like all others are experiencing. Maybe they dont use the proper AIO to cool or they have wrong BIOS settings.
@@nipa5961 and that's why they still ourself amd by a very large margin but go on about their losing. Puget systems stats show amd has twice the failure rate that intel has
Looks mediocre, And after their 13th and 14th gen debacle. I'll let someone else be the guinea pig this time seeing I'm usually the one that beta tests and buys day one.
I mean if you find another solution to the problem and help with the fact your p cores are giant why not take it (and arrow lake won’t be a power vacuum like the current self immolation obsessed raptor lake)
I mean this time the E cores are actually really strong. More IPC than Raptor Cove is nothing to scoff at as it’s literally better than every Intel micro architecture before it. It can also clock into the 4GHz range which is more than enough in mobile. Skymont’s insanely good and reminiscent of earlier Intel micro architectures like Conroe and Sandybridge.
You can just downclock a p core if you want efficiency. E core turn on when needed so p core are always on, good luck for improving a laptop battery like that, maybe when e core will be enough for windows they will boot up first.
They do actually make all-E-core laptops. It’s just that they only use the Intel N100, a 4 ecore single channel super budget cpu, meant for the pentium/celeron market.
its why intel gonna all in 12v only motherboard....to make it work well for PowerVia....for peripherals, it can have 2 options...either by PSU unit does conversion switching or motherboard that be only high end board can take advantage of 12v only PSU
@@impuls60no it wasn’t. It was officially confirmed that _Lunar Lake_ won’t have hyperthreading “to better fit that platform”, and the engineers were quick to stress that when those p cores end up in server they will obviously be retaining hyperthreading, but made no comment one way or the other for arrow lake in the middle there.
I personally agree that it’s a good idea to wait and see. While the 13th and 14th generations may have problems, it’s irrelevant to the performance of unreleased products.
A Ryzen 5 5600X on the CPU side is more than enough for games coming until 2030. Considering it is better than PS5 and SX CPU offerings. Unreal Engine 6 & alike shall be available by then. It's pointless to upgrade the CPU every now and then for gaming use case only.
22+ years of Intel and I'll never ever EVER give them another dollar unless AMD has a problem at least 2x worse than my 13900k has and even then AMD will probably tell me about it instead of try to hide it and hope I never find out to RMA it. (F Intel btw)
@@mehck-gk9yn well you say everything ...more than 22 years using Intel .... It could be some problems in Intel ... but i doubt that Intel don´t came Stronger than ever, in near future. I saw this movie years ago. Intel is not a small Company, and if you know how they inversted in Factories, you will be dumb if you think Intel will be on pair with amd, that´s it at the moment both companies have + - the same cpu Perfomance. Beside you talk about some problems with Intel cpu´s, looks like you forgot amd and cooking problems .
Will no buy Intel till they deal with 13th and 14th Gen Processors. Why did Intel take no action during 13th gen and 14th gen. Going AMD and Intel can go shove it. Profits ahead of customers. Intel needs to prove to us buyers that next processors are bug free.
No one and i mean NO ONE will risk buy Intel, the only way someone would buy it would be 2 years minimum after release with mutile tests to be sure the CPU doesnt have the same instability issues that 13th/14th gen and at taht point probably AMD would have a better option, Intel needs to sit down first and regain the trust of the consumers and then come up with a better product if they want to go against AMD
No issues with my 13900K or 14900K locked at 5.8/4.6 since I got them. The issue wasn’t really a major thing by itself, but compounded by board vendors defaulting to no power limits and pushing single core boost clocks across all cores. I set 13900Ks and 13900KSs up for a couple of my friends as well and none of them are having any issues either. Cooling is another factor as well.
@@enilenis the motherboard vendors are just as much if not more at fault for not having power limits set by default. And anyone who buys a CPU like a 13900K or 14900K who doesn’t at least monitor their temperatures, power draw, voltages etc under load at least when they first get it or have someone else do it for them is an idiot. I see posts about people trying to OC these with no power budgets on 240mm and 360mm AIOs. The only AIO where it’s even worth the attempt is maybe the direct die AIO.
36k is if you run the CPU as it was to be supposed to be run under Intel guidelines before they pushed power profiles to beat Zen4 and cause issues for themselves
@AleraKira says someone that doesn't have this cpu. Of course intel going to tell people the older cpu is getting a lower score because they want to push the new one lol. 14900k. Don't get 36k in R23
We were asked to remove a leak by a company who contacted us, and out of respect we've followed their request.
Sorry, I had to take a leak too... 15 pints of beer on a Sunday will do that to you!
I'm looking forward to Arrow Lake... the latency should be very low with no Hyper-Threading... the last PC I built was for my younger brother with an 12600K but I'm still running X58 and X99 systems myself haha... it'll be nice to run something faster for my music production and Photoshop workloads.
Imagine recommending Intel in 2024
Ladies and gentleman......I am a retard in a girly vest who can't keep my hand still.
Intel still excels at scientific computing on consumer desktop chips.
Better than AMD
@@enilenis xeon🤮
@@444halukmaybe. It what about their 14xxx Desaster ?
Great, but will it kill itself?
You mean, can it run a crysis?
Will I get 60 FPS in Tekken 8??😂
@@enilenis I know you hate intel but why make things up?
It’s crazy to see how many intel bots in the comments section. Never seen such thing in others’ videos.
@@enilenis peopel if you ahve no clue just stfu......your amd stock bettign trolls are not welcome here.....
Auto-meltdown mode lets you know when you need an upgrade. Intel is back baby!
110C here we come!
auto meldown mode by 3(and a half) MB producers :D with the specs by intel the MB limits the voltage so the cpu can never pull the voltage that is damaging....probably also the reason why intel never noticed the problem befor....
@@proxis9980 it's much deeper than that. The performance and efficient cores connected using the same rails, and those rails were susceptible to damage when the voltage is set to higher than what Intel outlined. And that's one of the reasons why the damage is permanent to the affected 13th and 14th generation cpus.
@@yadayada4559 how is that"much " deeper?....the quint essence stays EXACTLY the same.....cpu requests to much voltage which it would never get with not insane MB settings...and that not all cpus have it in fact problable less than we even think (remeber the 4090 melted connectors or the 3090tis dieng on the amazon game in the end it was like what globaly 5000cards ? but the youtuber spend 2months complaning ?) ....same shit probably......ive yet to see somebody beeing able to systematicly reproduce the problem....
@@proxis9980 It's the bus between the performance and the efficient cores within the chiplet.
Imagine in 2026 has that cpu the same issue what the 13 and 14 gen has
@@enilenis I suspect that's why clock speeds are more conservative too.
@@enilenis Intel is not dead, they're too important to US chip manufacturing, US government won't let them fail. If Boeing can kill hundreds of people with faulty planes and still survive, Intel can too.
@@enilenis Laptop chips are unaffected my man, i5 13420h happy noises ^^
Intel needs to handle the 13th/14th gen issues and take care of all customers before myself or anyone I know would even think about their new line of cpu's
Why would anyone trust Intel at this point they really still have not dealt with current issues 13/14 gen there going to continue dragging there feet how many people will end up with broken systems because of this.
@@loomawoeToo much confidence bruh, chill.
@@loomawoe WILL NOT be carried over.🤣🤣🤣
@@loomawoe Since Intel has yet to come clean on the problems with their chips (and seem to be actively trying to hide them) I have zero trust in them anymore.
@@loomawoe At least, intel will lose a large amount of consumers who bought 13th/14th CPU.Even Arrow Lake have better performance than AM5,I wont buy it.
Here is what I feel more than anything about new Intel chip: Did they actually solve ring bus voltage issue, or did Raptor Lake issues migrate to Arrow Lake. Inheriting the issues of Raptor Lake.
I am telling you this as 12 year owner of Intel CPUs only.
12 years before that on AMD
I also speak as a person who is sitting on the 2nd 13900k after RMA.
As much as these benchmarks are cool, I want to understand if they can confidently call their new chip "stable" and "issue free"
It's way more important to me now, rather than if they can beat Ryzen 9950X, because I know they can...but what about the quality and consistency?
The fast Intel ringbus and 6 GHz boosting, to feed the superior IMC, simply come with a price: faster core degradation. AMD has this too, but with safer boosting voltages.
Nah, after their 13th and 14th gen, I think the prudent ones will wait and see.
Wait and see for sure. My 13700k hasn't had any stability issues yet but I remain enthusiastic about intels road roadmap to the Jim Keller vision
Now they should refund all the defected 13th & 14th CPU's or give the new Arrow Lake CPU counterpart of the defected previous gen!
@@michaelmcconnell7302yes because it's only the i9 chips that are affected which barely any general consumers have so idk why so many people are crying about it tbh
@@Serandi1987 Would be good and the right thing to do but I don't see Intel shipping millions of CPUs, new boards and memory.
I fear they will just continue to ignore it and brush it under the carpet.
My 14th gen has no issues.
Those benchmarks are not good for Intel. 3/6 benchmarks showed equal or lower absolute performance. For a new architecture on a new process node, this seems like a disaster. Normally in such situations, there’s a clear performance improvement across the board.
Intel is headed for a bulldozer era. The problem for calling for "competition" at this point is that Intel still has a dominant market position and can afford to be knocked down a few pegs, so that they will learn to stop being the Boeing of the semiconductor industry. There has to punishment for cockups or lessons will never be learned.
they will match or beat the 9k AMD lineup so i dont know what kind of smoke you are trying to blow up peoples arses fan boy.
Agreed, everyone was expecting more and If thats the real deal then It will get smoker in gaming compared to the 9000X3D Chips.
@@iequalsnoobi mean he's right lol you're sounding like more of a fanboy tbh
Yes, looks like Intel is just delivering more waste of sand.
This is bad but not for an obvious reason. 14900ks have pretty extreme reliability problems and you are telling me that they want to put 20% higher clocks on it, that is madness. If the ring bus is melting as is then this might drop reliability even further. Now this could all have been fixed in design but Intel hasn't clarified the issue so it is still up in the air so it looks like a big win for AMD to me.
@@loomawoeIt is not manufacturing node that is the problem. It is the ring bus design limitations.
@@loomawoe Copy and paste, Sound like a bot!
Did you not watch the video? "It looks like there will be a regression in clock speeds, about -300MHz"
Same performance or 20% on Multi Core....That's not really great looking to me.
And If I had read that correctly still 250 watts.
Zen 5 looking good in comparison to me.
Just wish they could do better on their GPU side.
zen 5 is miles ahead of 15th gen. this is probably as good as it gets for the 285k as it's a qualifying sample. the performance uplift is very mediocre. i mean the single threaded performance is basically the same. r9 9950x matches the multi core performance of 285k running at just 160 watts compared to 250 watts on the i9. and the single thread performance is significantly ahead of the i9 as well.
lol arrow lake will meet or beat the performance of the 9k amd lineup. fanboy much?
All leaked benchmarks are very underwhelming. I hoped for Intel finally getting competitive again. But in reality they fall behind more and more.
@@iequalsnoob Says this unironically.
@@iequalsnoob Ironic you saying "fanboy much" when all of your comments are shilling for Intel. hypocrite much?
Ryzen 9000X3D's in September would be nice. Intel being competitive is definitely a great thing. Thumbs up!
If Intel does not make good with the 13th and 14th gen chips ..I will never buy intel ever again.
The smart money is on skipping this generation to see if Intel will properly make it right for Raptor Lake buyers AND not repeat the debacle.
I’ll let someone else be the lab mice for me😂
Why are you buying AMD then? We already know they have an issue they won't tell us about.
@@Tugela60 I’m sure everyone has issues but nothing comparable to the intel 13/14th gen disaster. And look at the way intel handles it. You expect me to still trust them?
@@MaxwellHay That's a literal Intel bot lol ignore it
@@MaxwellHay If you're so confident about all these issues, why aren't any of y'all suing Intel? I'd love to see how that plays out.
@@swagyolo8602 I will join a class action lawsuit for sure
Intel CPU is consumable now like a cartridge.
Like printer ink.
3-9 months life cycle depending on how much you use your PC.
*Arrow Lake's Multi-thread problem...*
The people that tend to care more about multi-threading processing power ALSO tend to be people who do more research. And/or people who need these platforms for work. Thus RELIABILITY will be a huge factor in their decision and these people are likely going to know about the Intel failures. Intel needs to earn back trust and they certainly aren't going about it the right way currently. They are STILL selling CPU's that will start DEGRADING the second you start using them as the BIOS patch needed won't be ready for likely a few months (and even then many people won't even know to update their BIOS/UEFI). I'm sure they'll get the micro-code sorted for new CPU's that are being made but they haven't pulled their current store inventory yet AFAIK. That's not good.
The Ryzen AI 9 HX 370 based on Zen 5 is pretty awesome considering how low power it is. It beats out anything on the market now so Arrow Lake will NEED to be better, and also not melt.
Without knowing Intel desktop configs for their CPUs, If Intel goes SMT-1 then for the processors where AMD has higher thread counts I'd say AMD has the advantage because looking at what they did with the laptop part mentioned above I have to think Zen 5 desktop is a pretty big boost for multithreaded scores, but it's going to depend on what they can pull off with their infinity fabric.
I’m guessing the chances that 15th gen have the same issues as 13th and 14th gen are very high.
Sure, but at least they will test for it now and work around it in software. They have to, even if it means dropping 500mhz
I disagree.. I'm sure they knew about the problem and fixed it.
The problem is the fix is probably either slowing the chip down or delaying it a year. Best bet is to buy an old chip or AMD.
Guessing is as good as nothing. Did you also guess that Zen 5 CPU's will explode destroying the motherboard?
@@Mtylgd Like an exploding Ryzen 3D?
I still would rather see, Amd or Intel innovating on the desktop front and offering chips that use 60watts or less with huge gains due to new cache systems in place instead of cranking up clock speeds and making our power bills climb up a wall.
All I ask is that Intel and AMD give us headaches because their products are GOOD and we don't know what to choose.
*Building a COMPUTER in 2024 has gotten easier...*
"Hey tech expert, I've been told to decide on the CPU first. Which one do you recommend?"
*Tech expert*
"What's your budget? Then we can decide which AMD CPU makes sense. Why not Intel? Well, they have to earn back people's trust and that needs a generation or two..."
Don't be a sucker for internet drama.... I've got Intel systems still running rock solid after 10 and 7 years (X58 and X99 platforms).
Overclocked to the gills too.... I've had motherboards fail before the CPUs have.
My trust issues need a generation or two to heal.
Same with exploding AMD CPU's?
Last year’s exploding AMD CPUs weren’t as bad as the 13th-/14th-gen Intel CPUs degrading. Why?
- The catastrophic failure of AMD CPUs was due to motherboard manufacturers (ASUS was the worst one) applying increased voltage to the CPUs’ SoC to force higher stable memory frequencies. AMD is partially at fault here for not prohibiting motherboard manufacturers from doing that.
- Intel’s fault lies within faulty manufacturing (for a smaller badge of CPUs) as well as Intel microcode demanding too high voltages from the motherboard power stages. That’s why Intel had to release new microcode versions (0x129 and newer) to change this voltage table. Is that really the end of it? We don’t know, yet.
Intel’s behaving worse than AMD since AMD from the beginning said they’ll RMA any defective CPU whereas Intel has been trying to get out of as much responsibility as they (pseudo-) legally can. Every higher-end 13th- and 14th-gen Intel CPU that ran a while with older microcode is potentially damaged now and may be failing in the not too distant future. The used market for these parts will be a dumpster fire to watch the next years.
@@abavariannormiepleb9470 BS. Intel has expanded the warranty to 5 years (by the way, did AMD expand the warranty because of the issue? NO. And there may be degraded AMD 3D CPU's in users' computers because of this case). Intel replaces all defective CPU's. These are almost exactly same type of cases but of course there are nuances. And by the way, a very considerable factor in the Intel case was ALSO the MB manufacturers default OC and power limits. So almost exactly the same reasons.
Intel need to sort out i9 13900& i914900 before they think about 15gen arrow lake. Will Arrow lake last 6mnths -2yrs stable then fall of a cliff or will they last for as long as you need them. Also how much power are Intel pumping through them to keep up with AMD.
Unfortunately AL still needs much more power to match Ryzen 9K in MT. Can AL do AVX512?
Old E-Cores were basically Haswell-Class right? So the new ones are Skylake-Class performance?
depends on the workload. sometimes they choke a lot and are much slower than haswell.
Old E-Cores were actually like Skylake. i5 skylake cores since they had no hyperthreading.
Now it's more like somwhere between an 11th gen core and 12 gen P-core.
The rise in performance i huge for the new e-cores. They get you 20% more performance despite hyperthreading not being there anymore for the P-cores, so the performance uplift for the e-cores are much greater than 20%
Intel claims the new one has Raptor Cove IPC.
Intel needs Arrow Lake to be a home run.... Raptor Lake may well turn out to be Lawsuit Lake.... my 13900k is apparently fine ever since I put it in the motherboard but too many people have been reporting issues.
Problem is that you can't be sure. It could start to fail in a month or in a year just after your warranty expired.
that’s fair. Very fair.
It'll be interesting to see how the lack of hyperthreading will affect gaming performance with Arrow Lake-S
Will it have the same ring bus high voltage deterioration as Intel's previous generation? E cores sharing the same lane as P Cores and causing it to overheat.
Im forever done with Intel. When my 13th gen i5 dies in the coming years, im going full AMD.
good bye boris hahaha
@@iequalsnoob what?
@@Ignisan_66 He is an Intel troll.
Enjoy AMDip
New feature: automatically downclocks as it degrades over time
Who gives a shit when they haven't recalled their 13th and 14th gen i9?
4:58 Ooooff Those bench results looks very bad. Literally 1% improvement in GeekBench SC performance. AMD is looking better for gamers. Also VideoCardz shows an average of 4% uplift over the 14900K in various benchmarks.
The lack of hyper threading will bite back Intel in the bum.
NEVER again after 13/14gen fiasco. If Intlel thinks that it will be sitting quiet and everything just pass, they are SO WRONG!
NEVER again with exploding Ryzens also?
basically single digit IPC uplift. very underwhelming
that will be rolled back after a few months by a security mitigation or a microcode update..
I don’t understand why they don’t make one or more designs with just 8 massive cores. Amd or intel have shown they have extra power and transistors budget so why not? Can still make other high core parts for production work but give us the choice
AMD actually are limited to 8 performance cores per chiplet.
@@jayvee8502So what? If you can stack there is no issue at all. The problem that no one wants those E cores on the Intel side.
Infinity fabric is needed to "stack" it, which made IMC off ring even for single CCX variant, which made gaming performance awful (aka AMDip).
Would like to see single core scores and not the multi core
Not sure it matters what Intel does. The have lost the public’s confidence and especially RUclips Tech Channels.
Like a plague. Intel processor should be avoided until they recall all affected 13th and 14th gen cpu. 100% eventual failure rate. How can you be ok with that.
If these projections will turn right it will be a bloodbath for AMD and this generation.
Hope that Intel will recover from the previous gens scandal.
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Nah mango, it's time for intel to take the backseat for a decade or two.
I have i7 7700 and I am going to upgrade to 9900x
The chips they had to pull due to "issues"?
runs great for a few months then takes a dump. F intel
I need my system to last a few years or more!
Yeah but do they work?
Let's hope these benchmarks aren't correct. If true Arrow Lake is just another dud.
so by your remark that means that the 9k amd lineup is a dud.
@@iequalsnoob You still can't read. Sad.
@@iequalsnoob Considering they all need to be recalled, I'd say yes they're a failure.
Seems like ARL won't even catch up to Zen 4. Well, not even if ARL won't fail also after just a few months.
AMD won't have any competition for years, again. Too bad.
first, they have to not burn itself and not admitting in it's product life for the issues
Dual channel memory won't do anything for single core scores as the memory is more than enough to feed it, once you add more cores then it matters.
*They found one of the biggest culprits of the degeneration of Intel processors to be the E-cores. Because they kept adding more and more E-cores and upping the power requirement, it eventually caused severe issues in the architecture integrity.*
*Now they got rid of hyperthreading and use the E-cores to replace the hyperthreading. What do you think is gonna happen? Voltage issues again. I told everyone the big little processor architecture was dumb. Yet a multi-billion dollar corporation couldn't figure it out for themselves?*
Ive been watching this channel for awhile now... i had no idea the dude was a minnie Arnold Schwarzenegger.
How can you recommend Intel 😬
I just purchased a new PC a month ago and it has an i514400F. I don’t play games or overclock. So I’m wondering if I’m ok? I just haven’t been able find out if this cpu is prone to this issue? I really don’t want to run any of the stress tests since that may permanently start the damage.
You are good , non K i5 14th are alderlake and therefore safe
13900K/14900K average 40,000-42000 for Cinebench R23. 36000 is i7 scores.
We don't care about arrow lake. Fix the crap you got now
I care about Arrow lake.
My 13th gen CPU works just fine.
If they don't fail within 12 months and are sold at half the price people might get interested again.
Arrow Lake degrade-v2 available
why can't we have more than 8 cores in a single CCD ?
2 things that I'm actually curious about Intel next gen desktop - power targets and gaming performance around 300$. Wake me up when you learn more.
Fight back with oxidation and microcode ? 😂😂😂
We have to call them Economy cores.
If QS is anything close to the final performance then its not really impressive, especially when its at 250w.
I can say I am lucky for I don't encounter any problem with my 14900k+rtx4090 combo. Daily rendering 8k videos for all my channel and never had any problem like all others are experiencing. Maybe they dont use the proper AIO to cool or they have wrong BIOS settings.
100 percent failure rate. Just wait.
Good luck anyone who buy intel cpu ☠
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trouble is it will take 3 years before they can be trusted again
hahaha ok fanboy. cope
Problem is they couldn't be trusted for years already, but all they do is losing even more.
Agreed.
I would never trust them again if you know the history of Intel.
@@nipa5961 and that's why they still ourself amd by a very large margin but go on about their losing. Puget systems stats show amd has twice the failure rate that intel has
No way in hell I m buying intel until all that BS is adressed. I m staying on my i5-12600k thank you
Intel fan boys are restless...keep doinn it AMD will thank u. :D :D
im just gonna say it i didnt think you were this jacked man. nicely done.
Intel fights back, so what are they doing for their customers who bought the dodgy CPU’s?
Paul's got his guns out again, he must mean business!
Getting buff Paul. Yeah I may go back to Alder Lake too, good suggestion.
Intel just laid off a goodly portion of their workforce and cut the dividend.
I’ve been team Intel for almost 30 years. After spending a small fortune on a 13th Gen system, I’m just done. I’ll be jumping ship to AMD.
Will be renamed to LAVA Lake
Looks mediocre, And after their 13th and 14th gen debacle. I'll let someone else be the guinea pig this time seeing I'm usually the one that beta tests and buys day one.
E-cores, for when you can't compete on power to performance normally. Wait for Intel to put all E-cores into low power devices like laptops.
I mean if you find another solution to the problem and help with the fact your p cores are giant why not take it (and arrow lake won’t be a power vacuum like the current self immolation obsessed raptor lake)
I mean this time the E cores are actually really strong. More IPC than Raptor Cove is nothing to scoff at as it’s literally better than every Intel micro architecture before it. It can also clock into the 4GHz range which is more than enough in mobile. Skymont’s insanely good and reminiscent of earlier Intel micro architectures like Conroe and Sandybridge.
@@dex6316But it must be more efficient than Zen 5c.
You can just downclock a p core if you want efficiency. E core turn on when needed so p core are always on, good luck for improving a laptop battery like that, maybe when e core will be enough for windows they will boot up first.
They do actually make all-E-core laptops. It’s just that they only use the Intel N100, a 4 ecore single channel super budget cpu, meant for the pentium/celeron market.
Paul, it is indeed ok. I too am a 36yo child. Much love for your content brother.
Damn didnt know u were jacked, benchpress > benchmarks
throwing down the gauntlet to other non-buffed pencil neck geek tech RUclipsrs...
its why intel gonna all in 12v only motherboard....to make it work well for PowerVia....for peripherals, it can have 2 options...either by PSU unit does conversion switching or motherboard that be only high end board can take advantage of 12v only PSU
Are we still expecting no hyperthreading with arrow lake?
Yes its officially confirmed by Intel.
@@impuls60no it wasn’t. It was officially confirmed that _Lunar Lake_ won’t have hyperthreading “to better fit that platform”, and the engineers were quick to stress that when those p cores end up in server they will obviously be retaining hyperthreading, but made no comment one way or the other for arrow lake in the middle there.
I personally agree that it’s a good idea to wait and see. While the 13th and 14th generations may have problems, it’s irrelevant to the performance of unreleased products.
hey man we know your buff but save it for the other channel
More like Intel "fires" back aha
A Ryzen 5 5600X on the CPU side is more than enough for games coming until 2030. Considering it is better than PS5 and SX CPU offerings.
Unreal Engine 6 & alike shall be available by then. It's pointless to upgrade the CPU every now and then for gaming use case only.
Should have titled it "Here's how to trade in your bad intel 13th and 14th gen chips: Wait for the 15th gen!" LOL
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I Definitely will upgrade to Arrow Lake... Intel is and always will be the best Cpu
You must not be paying attention to the 50% failures rates on the 13 and 14 gen CPU's.
22+ years of Intel and I'll never ever EVER give them another dollar unless AMD has a problem at least 2x worse than my 13900k has and even then AMD will probably tell me about it instead of try to hide it and hope I never find out to RMA it. (F Intel btw)
@@mehck-gk9yn well you say everything ...more than 22 years using Intel .... It could be some problems in Intel ... but i doubt that Intel don´t came Stronger than ever, in near future. I saw this movie years ago. Intel is not a small Company, and if you know how they inversted in Factories, you will be dumb if you think Intel will be on pair with amd, that´s it at the moment both companies have + - the same cpu Perfomance. Beside you talk about some problems with Intel cpu´s, looks like you forgot amd and cooking problems .
Will always have the highest temperatures, power consumption and failure rates for sure.
@@nipa5961 are you talking about amd fusion edition or cooking edition ????
Will no buy Intel till they deal with 13th and 14th Gen Processors. Why did Intel take no action during 13th gen and 14th gen. Going AMD and Intel can go shove it. Profits ahead of customers. Intel needs to prove to us buyers that next processors are bug free.
Pee cores and poop cores....
WHO'S been to the gym ????????????
Great info, Paul.
wrong
13700k no issue's here.
"Intel fights back", as though they are the underdog against big bully AMD.
7:30 What game is this?
The Riftbreaker
Keep your hand still.
No one and i mean NO ONE will risk buy Intel, the only way someone would buy it would be 2 years minimum after release with mutile tests to be sure the CPU doesnt have the same instability issues that 13th/14th gen and at taht point probably AMD would have a better option, Intel needs to sit down first and regain the trust of the consumers and then come up with a better product if they want to go against AMD
No issues with my 13900K or 14900K locked at 5.8/4.6 since I got them. The issue wasn’t really a major thing by itself, but compounded by board vendors defaulting to no power limits and pushing single core boost clocks across all cores. I set 13900Ks and 13900KSs up for a couple of my friends as well and none of them are having any issues either. Cooling is another factor as well.
I‘ll get it over Zen 5 for sure
If anyone thinks that’s an Intel Fanboy here, no I am using a 5900X and I am not happy with Ryzen
I will be buying ArrowLake 285k and 9800x3d. I have a feeling ArrowLake/Z890 will be much more fun and interesting.
@@enilenis the motherboard vendors are just as much if not more at fault for not having power limits set by default. And anyone who buys a CPU like a 13900K or 14900K who doesn’t at least monitor their temperatures, power draw, voltages etc under load at least when they first get it or have someone else do it for them is an idiot. I see posts about people trying to OC these with no power budgets on 240mm and 360mm AIOs. The only AIO where it’s even worth the attempt is maybe the direct die AIO.
My 14900k locked at 56p 43e. Always gets around 39k. Don't know where they got 36k. Iv never pulled a 36k
36k is if you run the CPU as it was to be supposed to be run under Intel guidelines before they pushed power profiles to beat Zen4 and cause issues for themselves
@AleraKira I'm Running intel spec. 253 pl1 253. Pl2. 307amp. llc low. With an undervolt. Never had anything close to 36k ever
@@RobH2022 enforcing the baseline power limits as Intel suggests gets you 35851.
@AleraKira says someone that doesn't have this cpu. Of course intel going to tell people the older cpu is getting a lower score because they want to push the new one lol. 14900k. Don't get 36k in R23
@@RobH2022 believe me or don't but that's literally what happens when you tune a BIOS to the settings Intel wants you to use...
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