Powercreep in Yugioh - The Three Effect Rule
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- Опубликовано: 6 мар 2024
- Justin attempts to explain the newest trends in powercreep in yugioh.
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we love anti ant art appreciaton theyre SO GOOD
I laughed so hard that I turned into the card
I really need to find someone who makes custom cards for that purrley art
i reply here because the vid is 4 month old and i dont think u will check it for new comments :)
idk if it is the same in tcg and ocg as in master duel but i can say there the greed of konami goes even further. the use the banlist to harm current meta decks so hard they dont been really playable when the new meta arives. in example tear was so watered down that is close to unplayable only with a 2nd and 3rd archetype (in that case kash and horus) its viable while snake eyes/ fireking runs rampage. (not to speak of rouge decks like evil twin, tribrigate, eldrich ect). if we compare tear vs snake eyes both full power then tears win but there are few aspects on tears what i value way over snake eyes. snake eyes is just "dont let ur opponent play" with generic stuff like baron from extradeck. while tears is more of a control type. (1 spin here, 1 pop there, 1 summon negate, 1 once per turn monster effect negate) that operates fully on his own archetype with own boss monster.
yes tear cards are generic but tbh beside of despia tear there isnt really a big use outside of the archetype.
and the biggest plus point on tear vs snake eye imo is that tears supports interaction from both players while snake eye is just handtraps plus full negate
dont get me wrong tears release in Master Duel i disliked because the other playable decks in this time was not good enought but a tear mirror match was awesome because the interactions was insane.
with the current powercreep in fire archetype decks, full power tears would fit way better
Can't wait for powercreep to reach deck-trap monsters that summon themselves and can't be responded to when your opponent takes a breath
Soot Blossom is annoying the way it special summons a 200 atk nothing during your opponent's mainphase1, but at least I'll always have a way to stop them from searching their deck once per turn. Plus it technically thins the deck and lets me shuffle what I put on the bottom more towards the middle incase I want to discard half my deck later.
You can use it as tribute but you still need an extra monster, really it just lets you remove it from the field if not destroyed in battle.
Yeah, idk. I think the power creep is more of an issue than a blessing. But that's different from person to person.
Your deck trap can do nothing against my not in the game trap. I can just counter your card with a card I'm not actually running in my deck.
Also, I own a copy of the new Exodia in my collection back at home so you just lose.
We do have monsters that can special summon themselves from the deck, so it's only a matter of time.
@@goddessbraxia Now that it's turn 5, my Time Machine special summons itself from the previous game on the other side of the convention center. But not before it battles the Eldrich Stalker lvl 3 I'm going to send backwards in my next game, causing me to lose 800LP and discard a card from my hand.
I like the way you differentiated modern Yu-Gi-Oh card effects.
Oh hey! Love your channel and your thoughts on powercreep in the game also.
Quick question, do you have any thoughts on what the "end game" of this power creep could become? Like, what effects would be considered universally "too much" for yourself and other players?
Dragon Rulers: 4 effect, only one and only once per turn
Now several monsters has 3 effect and all of them can be used once per turn
Crazy part is they could've errata'd "dragon ruler monster" text to not stack them but never did. It nerfed bazoo and skull lair hard lol not as bad as ring of destruction (no ties/lethal damage to opponent and can't target own monster). In the old as it was cheap discard and removal for stuff that didn't come back, let alone snatch steal lol. The fact change of heart is free shows you how much power creep happened too. I got tired of the nostalgia trips to the attic every year let alone speed duel didn't bother with xyz, synchro, links or a good battle pack sealed format.
And then half are quick effects so now your opponent is playing your turn too.
@@chazzitz-wh4lythis is exactly what makes modern Yugioh unenjoyable
@@chazzitz-wh4lylabyrinth and snake eyes decks do this all the time lol
When you think about it Dragon Rulers were strong because of the era they came out in, and they still got hit fast. They only got banned when a table 500 FTK deck came out with Dark Matter.
I'm just going to print proxies and play with friends and family .
I did that... but no family members or friends to play with. 😭
I do that with character decks
Tbf the online simulators are just less work. I don't have any problems with proxies but its just easier to play online for most things.
@@shawnjavery that's fair, they are the easiest. I have my decks built on simulators too but my friend group and I prefer paper play. It just feels better for us in person rather than online
@@fantasmabrasileiro21 Same :(
Konami barely does anything with yugioh, exept churning out set after set, amping up the power creep in the process
It's so frustrating seeing this game not receiving the care it deserves
It genuinely feels like they don’t care about their game. Just the money. Yugioh is easily the most mishandled card game out there. The power creep is absolutely insane. There’s nothing else out there like it. All because kunami refuses to put their game in formats like Pokémon does. This game is a new players nightmare. They have no chance. It really sucks
The complexity of the game was perfect in 2014. Crazy to be a full decade since that point. It's really not the same game anymore. Hard to still call it yugioh.
A lot of reason you've listed are why I usually stick with online sims like Dueling Book, EDOpro, or even Master Duel. The frequent powercreep is a lot more manageable when I'm not breaking my wallet just to play a game I enjoy.
I think yugioh wants to weed out the IRL card game tbh. That’s what it feels like more and more each year.
@@isaacsamuel6035not really lol, its still their goldmine
Konami isn't getting hid of it so soon
@@isaacsamuel6035 They're not trying to kill their game, they're following the same line must go up shareholders first policy as every other large corporation who engages in enshittification.
The game is frustrating to play and balance as is, but at least we can try it free.
@@akiradkcnwon't they? They're clearly seeing that their sales aren't increasing, and they're not managing to get new players, that's why there's so many new simplified formats. Who in his right mind is gonna pay $1.000+ to make a deck on a game that they barely know and that is probably gonna get powercreeped in a couple of weeks
The powercreep is legit THE main reason people are opting to play the game online instead of IRL nowadays. Its just too damn much of a money sink just to lose to someone running tons of UR cards (generic or otherwise) cause they have a bigger wallet and more time on their hands.
Its the main reason why I've multiple times have gotten big breaks from the game. Even if we are reaching the point where a big amount of fun strategies are getting support that legit makes them very playable and resistant to hand traps even on the lower tiers of archetypes. It just feels like a losing battle. Sometimes it feels I will go to an event and just lose cause the person infornt of me just has the expensive generic staple/extra deck monster. It demoralizes you to really try to go and play in your locals.
To make clear I don't mind expensive archetypes, expensive generic staples is what I mind.
If people made better spending decisions (because let’s face it there’s more important/better stuff to invest in that aren’t expensive staple cards). This wouldn’t be an issue
@@STEPHxCAit's an issue because this is a made up structure by Konami TCG. Just copy over the OCG rarity structure and that'll improve the experience plenty fold
@@STEPHxCA the issue of generic staples being too expensive, is caused by Konami. Them not printing enough copies. Price is entirely determined by playability and accessibility. (How strong and how many copies exist)
Wild of you to think consumers decisions; are why cards can be too expensive.
Working as designed
I've noticed an emerging trend, its becoming a pattern.
Decks are playing on the opponents turn.
New decks have the capacity to make smaller plays and combos during their opponents turn to supplement their end board.
This enables them to sidestep hard once per turn restrictions and have a lot of variability in when they need to interact.
The future of the game IMO, but sucks that it would be an Ash-Blossom level of power gap for old decks
I have a friend that plays branded, and after a 20+ card combo, he's doing 5 fucking things during every end phase and another 5 whenever i negate/pop ANY of his shit. it's so fucking ignorant
Not to tout Magic as an solution, but to compare: mana is the limiting factor we don't have here, so you can just cast spells for days...
Yugioh's resource system used to be turns (aka normal summons), but now both turns are fair game to play for either player. There's literally nothing controlling anything.
@@ninezerotwo1778 its time for konami to make new master rule that limit summon shit each turn and also limit shit you can summon on opponent turn. a good argument for them to do it, because it will fuck everyone deck and they can just sell new card to make more money.
The three effect rule is exactly what I have been thinking about for the past year, I think you put it perfectly. It feels like nearly every deck is just a cookie cutter copy of another deck, because all of the decks are designed nearly the same at their core.
And by far, by FAR the biggest problem I have with the gameplay is the complete lack of restrictions. They just don't exist anymore. Why can Snake-Eyes be a Link, Fusion, Synchro, and XYZ deck all in one? Why does Tearlament, a fusion deck, not lock you into fusion monsters the turn you use them? I don't want to give the impression that "meta deck bad", but I genuinely find the game so much more enjoyable when a deck has a core identity, theme, and game plan rather than being able to do everything in the game. (Seriously, why the heck can these decks easily summon stuff like Barone De Fleur when it has absolutely no reason to?)
@CudaWudaShuda I understand that. The biggest issue I have is exactly one of the points you made, that some decks are more locked into a strategy than others. Why is Exosister, SHS, Swordsoul, etc, restricted when other decks just have full reign to do whatever they want? I agree that Konami has a clear intent for card design, but it's not for a good or fun reason. In fact, we have almost never heard what Konami's card designers' thoughts are for this game outside of very niche examples, like with Nibiru or Dark Ruler No More.
Unless they express why they designed a card or deck a certain way, the only real conclusion is that it was designed to be broken solely because they want to push product. "Sure, let your fusion deck summon XYZ monsters, that just makes it better to sell more! This other deck though...nope, only XYZs."
Don't get me wrong, I love being able to lab out combos and summon Naturia Exterio in Goblins. That stuff is amazing and hilarious. However, that is what it should end at. A goofy combo you can pull off every now and then. Not every single game with no penalty or restriction.
I don't like archetype locks for entire decks but it does seem like some cards are strong enough to require it. If branded fusion is strong enough to be locked then surely Kitkallos is as well. Konami released Kitkallos as a normal summon, as in, normal summon Reinohart>effect. Wtf were they smoking.
I understand you but if it would be that way you describe, then a new camp would had been formed which would b*tch and moan about that they cant do everything but are then locked in one card-type. Then ofc you have others which will pop up and say YGO is dead cuz it never rly evolved. I guess its konamis take to put in even more broken and blwon out methods to play the game to then still keep the franchise afloat.
Idk about most, but the Tear thing is kinda dumb, because of their Lore. If Tear were to be locked out of anything but fusions, using Visas Starfrost would be stupid (considering their field spell searches it), that along with all the other Heart extra deck monsters.
I was just thinking about how the best XYZ deck ever is full power Tear
Yugioh is literally the rich kid's game. Top decks constantly cost $500+ and get banned so frequently that it's never worth it. You're better off buying a printer at that price point that can print holographic cards (via sticker paper or the acetone method) at that point. I grew up playing Yugioh, but I never feel like I'm truly welcome in the space due to how much top decks cost and how difdicult it is to play with rogue decks or options.
Whatever you do bro, don't look up the prices of your average Magic the Gathering deck💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀
Standard mtg is less than $300 consistently. It's only formats like modern that get expensive.
Plus most of magic is commander atm so there's not much competitive incentives behind it.
@@MonkeyFightTCG More than half of the top 10 standard decks are 300-500 and that rotates. That's assuming standard is even alive in your area. The only constructed mtg alive in my area with a large playerbase is modern and pioneer. Pioneer is about 300-600. Modern is as you know anywhere from 600-1100. Yugioh is really only insanely expensive if you're buying in from 0, which is the same with mtg if you don't already own good lands. Despite the price differentials modern is probably the "cheapest" in the long run, at least it was before modern horizons sets started essentially rotating the format.
And the commander paradox is a whole other thing. Yes you have plenty of people who just proxy, but in my experience commander players drop more money on singles and sealed product than any other group of mtg players. They are the people buying special versions of cards. And commander players never have just one deck either.
We are in an especially expensive season of yugioh at the moment but the difference is not as large as people act it is.
@@dudesk099 The lands at least will always be useful once you have them. None of the fire king monsters will be useful in the next wind tier 0 deck
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Rotation at least means you get a few formats out of it by just swapping whatever staples get rotated out. Plus, MTG does frequent reprints of common cards and even some archetypes. Plus around a quarter to a third of your deck is basic lands, which are 1. stupidly cheap even as singles (to the point that it's actually cheaper to buy single lands in bulk than it is to pull them from packs) and 2. always legal for play. Heck, I'd have to check but I'm pretty sure even white-border and Un-set lands are legal in standard.
Your point about certain game breaking decks previewing future norms is so relevant. Chaos was probably 4 years ahead of its time, Diamond Dude Turbo felt 5 years ahead of its time, Tele-DAD was about 4 or 5 years ahead of its time, Rulers were 4-5 years ahead of their time, Zoo was also about 4-5 years ahead etc. and it just happens these all coincide with about the same timeframe.
Oh my god you're so right, the Dragon Rulers were literally ground zero for modern cards' design. There's also the creeping removal of drawbacks from monsters, XYZ boss cards used to stop themselves from attacking if their effects were used, giving Synchros an upside in that regard for being harder to summon.
The price is the biggest problem if you want to play this game competitively, but the power creep is already enough to drive people away or feel alienated. I still like to play Yugioh sometimes, but seeing how bad the decks I've come to love or grow up with are nowadays ( Nekroz, Monarchs, Thunder Dragons, Lightsworn ) makes me sad, although I can still stomach it. The support of some of my beloved decks rejuvenates my desire to play this game.
I'm glad new Raidraptor cards don't cost 70€ per card. This is where the other side of power creep hits, however. When I get these new cards and sit down to play with friends, who similarly prefer playing with their old cards, rather than getting new Archetypes, the experience is miserable. I often find myself in non-games, because they can't keep up with the ridiculous nonsense I do. I dislike having to play against solitaire decks or play solitaire myself, and despise the fact that the only way to "fix" it is by trying to have a pre-game talk about the decks we play, MTG Commander-style, to figure out if we even get an interactive game together.
It's fine to talk negatively about something you like, especially if it's a real problem that hurts the game's accessibility.
I got distracted by the Purrely art and had to rewind haha. I like the effect you put on all the cards that makes them look like they're ultimate rares.
I dont understand how yugioh - of all card games - is the hardest to proxy. MTG leads the world via proxies, and yet, Yugioh cant? Its the definitive TCG to proxy for!
Because Komoney can't of any profitable ways to gain money through that idea...
They dont allow Asian English so proxies is beyond any expectation
Yu-Gi-Oh cards aren't standard playing card size so it's harder to use online printing services like magic players can
mtg has cards that are worth thousands of dollars that you have to play. and proxies arent legal for sanctioned events if you want to proxie cards to play with your friends no one is stopping you
You can proxy for casual play but for competitive proxies are not allowed in yugioh.
Konami really do be doing with power creep indeed.
I feel like the powercreep that Yugioh has seen is partially responsible for older/Time Wizard formats becoming more popular.
The game has shifted so far in card design that some people have to look backwards in order to find the game they fell in love with.
I play Master Duel exclusively, I can see Konami using future knowledge to push for more URs in heavily used archetypes. Snake-Eyes is an all UR archetype except for Snake-Eyes Ash, which is obviously made as an escape in case Konami needs to neuter the deck and not refund URs.
Yeah, it's absolutely disgusting and they don't even attempt to hide their greed. "We released this currently tier 0 deck early in MD so you'll buy it sooner. Have fun!"
They know they can milk TCG and Master Duel players but can't milk the OCG because of how competitive the card game market is over there
Even staples in midterm decks are URs now in masterduel SMH
*Komoney
I play YGOPro only now. Just want to simulate decks for fun now.
Problem is there are people who are completely okay with shelling out $1100 USD for a deck that'll be meta for a few seasons. People like that is the reason why Konami keeps getting away with highway robbery. People vote in greedy behaviour with their wallets.
Yeah, but those people don't really help Konami. They buy singles. Not product.
@@orga7777 That still helps Konami. Those singles came from packs, in booster boxes, which konami sold. The prices of those singles affect the prices of the sets they're from. People who sell cards will buy those sets, get the cards they need, and sell them at however much they need to in order to cover the cost of the set, make some profit, and enough to reinvest into buying more sets.
People buying singles DEFINITELY helps Konami, just not directly. If this wasn't true, Konami would be working to change things. The secondary market benefits them. They may not profit directly from it, but they do make more profit because of it.
@@antonyfranco2866They can't rely on vendors buying bunk product all the time in bulk for online single sales forever. It is not sustainable, especially since stores are dropping Yugioh more and more these days because it isn't profitable. They will have to change things inevitably.
@@orga7777the singles come from people mass buying product though. You need to buy a case to be able to sell a playset of bonfire. That factors into your selling price when you sell the singles. I live in Japan and the best cards are so cheap here and people still buy product.
@@antonyfranco2866the secondary market helps Konami wether they like it or not. If Konami wanted to make it illegal to sell Yugioh cards online in the USA, they’d be sadly disappointed.
Konami does profit from the secondary market directly. People buy boxes to chase cards, that sell high… the secondary market is the key to understanding chase cards.
Yugioh is best when its long and grindy and resources are limited. I really miss the poker aspect of the old days where you could realistically bluff blowout cards and you could come back from quite far behind
The time wizard event in Master Duel really was one of the best events held.
All the meta decks are different but each deck individually plays the exact same. There is no longer any personality to decks, it’s just net decking and following a step-by-step guide.
I love Yu-Gi-Oh!, it's my favorite game, but just like you said near at the end of the vídeo, it's hard to even recommend it, it's hard to really enjoy it.
This game is so bigger, so much bigger than Meta, Competitive, Tournaments, YCS... That's why I only play with cards that I can affort and I only play with people who run away from the Meta just like me, people who I can have a really good time playing with.
It's a shame locals and tournaments are becomimg more and more frustrating, with really expesive decks and staples like S:P Little Knight, it's a shame the majority of players only reunite to play on these events, but what can we do? I try to cope with it.
Konami doesn't care about Yu-Gi-Oh! anymore, they just want momey, but the players care, we care about the healthy of that awesome game, we need go explore it, trying banning meta decks and some staples for a specific friends only tournament, only using cards used in anime, Archetype only decks, Yu-Gi-Oh! is way bigger that we can imagine.
Even if Konami is slowly killing their game, fans will keep it alive, and we can always come back to older formats, older rules sets, our good memories that make this game look better than it actually is, there are still light at the end of the tunnel.
Old and alternative formats are amazing. It's why at every ycs and regionals the side event time wizard tournaments fill up immediately. Konami has been acknowledging this but I wish they'd do more with it. Such as fully adding alt format game modes to master duel.
We have come up with an idea to incentivize the non meta competitive players to show up and play tournaments. We limited the decks to a total of 250 of our currency, what it's about 50 dollars. But it's not a 1-5 conversion, cards go for like 5-10x the dollar price, so it's like we can only build decks that are 30 dollars total. That way a person needs to compromise what the decks big cards going to be. I'm curious on how it's going to turn out to be honest, and I'm happy my fun decks will see play
It's nice to duel my friends with my Crusadia deck
I hate yugioh so much. All it ever did for me was waste my time and money.
The least it could do is be fun, but it stopped being that a long time ago.
Sorry to break your bubble, but if players cared we wouldn't be in this conundrum.
What i hate most is the fact that these "cost" end up going into an extender or other effects so basically cost isn't really a cost anymore
Holy shit the part at the end about card prices in the OCG vs. TCG is just shocking. I already hated Konami for how they handled their rhythm games (suing ITG out of existence then immediately abandoning DDR in the NA market for a decade), but seeing how they intentionally drive up the cost of cards in the TCG by 10x compared to the OCG really drives home how greedy and soulless Konami is. Makes me damn glad I got into Pokemon instead of YGO (but don't get me started on the main line games, Game Freak and Nintendo are also awful!)
I predict we are going to get "hand traps" in the extra deck. Basically Effect Veilers in the extra deck.
That would be horrific.
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Cards like Zeus already feel like a half-step toward that. All it's missing is having the summon happen on attack declaration rather than after the BP.
@@frostbite_1244the game already is horrific. Because your opponent only needs to draw Mathmech Circular in order to summon a full board with 3 face down traps that means he always has access to the 2 effect veiler, ash and imperm in his hand.
The game is so toxic and shitty.
At that point, they might as well put a new trap deck zone onto the field. Konami will love selling the new sets with trap-deck exclusive cards.
Honestly the worst part of post-modern ygo is the generic negate boss monster. Yeah snake eyes is super overpowered, but at least you can try to do something about it.
I believe the problem is not each different summoning mechanic, but the cards (archetypes) with tons of effects. Each card on snake-eye has 3 effects, and they can be activated during either turn. An example of a deck half decent is D/D/D which also spam monsters and have a "good" endboard, but just 2 negations (3 with High Genghis which only work during the player's turn). Yes, griphon is a 3 effects card but they activate during different steps and it's the only one (i don't count the pendulums effects in this case because the scales are usually other monsters). Also for the DDD you need a lot of resources and a bit of luck with the opening hand. Decka like snake eye just need 1 card that is searchable and it summons itself just because. SHS is the same, but in this case you not only have a 1 card combos but a not once per turn card too.
I was just about to talk about Gryphon Vs Poplar and how you can easily identify what archetype will be pushed to be meta just by their wording. Yes, wording is fundamental even if it makes minor differences. For example D/D could be a as oppressive as Tear 0 with only changes in wording, yet they became irrelevant on release.
For anyone not knowing what Gryphon does:
1) Special from hand in DEF that activates if you control a D/D
2) Draw a card if pendulum summoned by discarding a D/D or Dark Contract as cost
3) Search a D/D card when revived from GY.
Would it hurt to summon in ATK while it has 1200 ATK/DEF and Fen has double? Why isn't it a starter by using "if you control no monsters, or you control 1 D/D"? Why is the search effect on the revive instead of Normal/Special summon? Why is the draw effect on Pendulum Summon and not the search effect? Why do you need to already have a 3 card combo to get the search by reviving from GY?
BTW it sounds horrible and it was the best support card for the deck. But it's so easy to drive the point home with that. Meanwhile cards like Circular abuse the mechanic of cost so they won't lose to Ash while they have 0 activation requirements.
Gilgamesh (the link 2) places exactly 2 scales exclusively from the deck, not "hand or Deck", not "up to 2". This means if you used a scale to make a play for enough materials you cant activate the effect at all, and if you drew a scale you need to place something else that removes itself. To top it of, it has a floating effect when destroyed by card effect, or by AN OPPONENT'S ATTACKING MONSTER so that you can't crash it. Meanwhile Ib/Denglong are super generic that float just by farting in their direction.
Now imagine if Poplar placed itself in the S/T Zone when added to hand, Special Summon itself if sent to the GY, then search a card when Special Summoned from the S/T Zone. This is how Gryphon feels like.
I’ve known that cards are power crept, even decks that felt unstoppable just a few years ago. But you finally put into words how cards are power crept.
just wanna say your editing and the presentation style of your videos are really cool. i really like the color highlighting of the important things to differentiate them, and the way cards appear on screen with their lil swiveling animation and the foiling effect.
There's definitely something to this three effect rule. I didn't quantify one of them as recursion, but I noticed it in archetype design early on. What I noticed is that archetype design would have a summon method, and 2+"gimmicks". Like Volcanics has both blaze accelerator and burn, Predaplants has fusion focused and predator counters, Cubics have 3 seperate gameplans, Virtual world has Gates, 3-6-9. banishing, and Type/Attribute match, and Vaylantz has both moving left/right and moving up/down.
It seems like these gimmicks have started showing up on the same card or are better weaved into each other. Like Snake-Eyes is Level 1 FIRE matters but also Spell Trap zone manipulation and sending cards you control to activate effects and it all interweaves perfectly. Tearlements is Shaddolls but instead of flip effects they sending cards to the graveyard from hand or field. I feel like if Predaplants was designed today, Darlington cobra would place predator counters on your opponents creatures. If Spright were made post-snake eyes, Blue or Gigantic would have the tribute another 2 to do something effect.
To think that we escaped two Tier Zero Formats (with Tearlament, Kashtira, and MAYBE Superheavy Samurai and Unchained (I’m not too entirely sure)) only to land right smack dab into another. 😔
whoa whoa whoa we had a good time around AGOV release. Unchained was def the strongest (or one of the strongest) but so much other stuff was playable too. SP was just the one big pain point iirc
Superheavy and unchained? Lmao
Only tear was tier 0 then we had fire decks. Every other format in between sure the decks may had a large representation but no where near as dominant as fire and tear was
Tear was the last tier 0 format Kash was close but didn't make it
Kashtira was definitely a tier 0 format. If you say otherwise your delusional
My limit is no more than $30 per card, $100 per month. One card shouldn't outweigh a structure deck in terms of value. I am willing to buy a box, but I am less interested in another if I don't pull what I need. I do this because I bought into Pot of Duality on release $120 each. It was a tin promo in a year. I'm too conscious now of Konami's business model, and it deters me from overspending like I used to. Master Duel lets me play competitively for cheap, and I will still play paper casually with friends. I like older formats more, but I do some modern to a limited capacity. Best I can do to work it all in. I hope more people see it this way, especially when those who bought into Bonfire see its being reprinted in Rarity Collection 2. We need more people who make better choices, be more selective with where they buy in, so Konami doesn't feel like the community will lap up whatever predatory garbage they put out there.
Great video! The graphics and animations look fantastic, and the concepts are well thought out!
Thank God for retro formats . Goat , Edison and tengu are fun af
There is also the official "Common Charity" common rarity cards only format.
Last time I checked, Lunalight, Traptrix, Tenyi Wyrms and Ninjas were among the best decks there.
@@sephyrias883Have you heard of Decicive battle at Golgonda
@@sephyrias883 sounds fun to me!
GOAT: Play Scapegoat, play metamorphosis, tell opponent to "draw the out". If you weren't playing Goat Control as well your only real options were either a one-of Dark Hole, a -1 Raigeki Break or an easily MST-able Skill Drain (Did Lava Golem even exist back then?). There's a reason both metamorphosis and TER were banned after that. TER might be chump change now but back when the only consistent way to remove monsters was to attack over them it was a nightmare. I think people mainly play this format because it predates the introduction of Cyber Dragon, which is a card that gets blamed for kick-starting the constant power creep, and they see it as a "pure" form of the game, when in reality it's nearly as degenerate as some modern formats.
Edison and Tengu-Plant seem like really good formats, though.
@@VestedUTuber goat control isn't even the most played deck in goat format tournaments , it's Chaos turbo.
I think this video really signifies that Yugioh needs multiple formats like MTG.
officially, anyway. I'm glad Edison and GOAT have thriving communities that have been around for a while.
Awesome video man, you articulated my thoughts better than I could, with great quality, editing, and research. Keep it up, subbed.
The best yu gi oh channel out there by far
No lie here 😁
Love your video series, and the shiny animations, just spot on 🎉 Best video for Yugioh State Sum-up yet
One point i have to mention is that while i like this new direction, i feel like old decks that can be sped up should be sped up to compete. Even just one card can turn your favorite pet deck into something for locals.
As an example, my favorite deck, Myutants, were designed with Postmodern in mind. While they can easily be moved over to the Current power level with 1 great piece of support, the issue is that while I’m waiting for said support the deck is completely unplayable, and that frustrates me.
Only issue with that is that one crazy new piece of support just ends up as the deck’s biggest choke point. And really old archetypes would need a lot more help than just one card. Like the only original Fire King card being played currently is Fire King Island. Even Arvata is legacy support that came out way later. Everything else is just the new stuff, at which point just make a new archetype. If you take a somewhat new archetype you’d need to go the Mathmech route and make the support busted and inherently play around hand traps, which just gets frustrating to play against and even playing with it won’t feel good because you just lose if you don’t open said busted support or a way to get to it.
Generally though, you're gonna want 2 or 3 new high-powered cards. Not every deck can be fixed with a Circular, they're just too old.
The problem with that the end resilt leads to either having one support card that's completely busted in a vacuum, or it leads to a total overhaul of the archetype that sands away everything that made it unique.
These decks shouldn't need either just to keep up, the power creep should have never gotten this bad to begin with.
I kinda wish people would just boycot konami product, but they are afraid that their local game stores would close. Overall konami has people by the balls and they are all too willing to comply
That the thing, the very people who were complaining about $1000 went and bought it after they made their complaints. I don't think you have to outright boycott everything. But if they see people are not buying the upshifted and short printed stuff as much it would have an effect I think.
@@chriswillis4960 prob, if ppl dont buy 1000$ deck, the deck price will reduce so ppl will get it for 700$ so that put the entire community in a dilemma, no one in the community have the power to make all player agree to stop buying product
Konami has a clause with the stores that they're obligated to buy all the stuff they release before any cards get revelead. Not buying products from stores only hurts the local store because konami already sold their products. The problem is much beyond a simple solution like "just don't buy then"
OTS store are basically non-existent here already. Some had to beg a board game store to let THEM do all the work and they can just act as a front and take the profits. It's fucked.
The entire country has like 2 stores in the capital that legit still carry and host events.
It sucks to have to buy from the local stores just to keep them afloat as well because it's often a 20% extra due to VAT alone compared to cardmarket.
Then you have the fact that konami product aside from maybe structure decks and 1 set a year of many is not worth the cardboard it's printed on, let alone the box price.
It's already a miracle that people are dedicated enough to this game to keep it going.
@@kqjut3I mean yes thats true, but companies only listen to money at the end of the day. If Konami profits out the ass with X Y or Z they will make more of it and make it even harder to get the good cards next time. So if a game store or whatever distributor works with them says "I dont want to buy anymore my stuff isnt selling" then likely Konami is going to realize people are sick of their shit and make some changes. Companies don't have to be OTS stores, they can easily hold un-sanctioned events for their player base. While I dont understand the exact contractual obligations. I'm sure being an OTS store gives stores a discount on new product, while also ensuring Konami ships X amount of product to them, for better or worse, as well as OTS packs, and promotions like Lost Art.
Glad you mentioned Swordsoul cuz playing it in 2024 and comparing it to how flexible and explosive the new decks are you would never guess it was only 2 years old
The ending really hit hard. Konami is going to have to change their yugioh practices soon. My OTS shops have so much product just sitting there...I hate to think of the money being sunk. I'm pretty much done buying packs aside from occasionally for fun since the value is never there.
incredibly well made video
I really like your content and will thumbs up and comment everywhere I can!!!
small criticism: the contrast between blue and purple in your yugioh era graphic is really hard to differentiate between, at least for me. but still great video!
These card visuals are so beautiful! How are you doing them?
This is the first video recommended from you and you got yourself a new viewer.
Also great flow and descriptions of your mentioned points, thank you!
i was literally thinking about what decks i would recommend to new players, as a few friends of mine expressed interest in trying to get into the game through master duel; i felt similarly stumped trying to come up with decks that are fairly good for newcomers and are all different and teach different mechanics and playstyles, in the end all i could come up with was Swordsoul, Cyber Dragon & Labrynth lmao
If you have money I'd recomend kashtira. Floowandereeze, invoked shaddoll dogmatika, and despia are also good.
You cant go wrong with Runick. I personally play a Dogmatika brew.
@@four-en-tee😭😭😭😭 another runick player
Randomly saw this video in my recommended a couple weeks ago, and the "three effect rule" stuck in my head.
Really agree with a lot of the points made here, a lot of the overall community has a very tunnel vision-y mindset and prefers to focus on Konami's individual decisions, or look at the game from banlist-banlist, but there are a lot of overarching problems that don't get discussed for a number of reasons.
I feel like the bigger issues are what's really frustrating, and it bleeds into the rest of how the community thinks, even if they don't talk about it.
So much truth here, firstly I want to talk about card quality, it wasnt always this bad. I remember the Upper Deck era of Yugioh having amazing quality cards on par with the OCG. I dont mind powercreep but it tends to leave many fan favorite decks in the past and makes it hard for many to enjoy the game. The rarity shifting is annoying, while looking through my cards today I noticed some early OCG cards and realized this has always been a thing, some cards being upshifted from Common to Super Rare or Rare as early as the first sets.
I remember when misprint were more rare than ghost rare, and thus, you can enjoy the novelty of having one for collection. Nowaday, it's such common occurence they feels like indication of how minimal Konami care for their product.
I remember when I used to actually want to have ultimate rares. Now, I couldn't care less. For about a decade they've been trash. It's disgraceful how bad high rarities look.
@@ninezerotwo1778High Rarities look fine to me, but the quality is def lower. Ultras and Supers are worse then ever however. I used to like the way Ultras looked but not they just look glossy and the holofoil looks cheep.
I think a ban list like what Speed Duels uses would greatly benefit the game. Basically a limit two will say from this list, you can only use two of these cards, not simply two copies of the same card. This format really differentiates decks and forces players to give up using certain powerful cards in exchange for using other powerful cards.
You summed it up perfectly. The game itself is the best it's ever been for interactivity, and the high speed is really fun, something you can't get out of other card games. The problem is that Konami's practices with the card releases and banlists are insanely exploitative.
Excellent video and points. I think Konami is punching above their weight now though, it's crazy how many sets they push out in a year and the formula has been more or less the same.
Recently some Pro level players have been hinting at the glaring issues and casual players have been more vocal as well. Ygo is 100% going to selfdestruct in the future, playing online sims is the way for now imo.
The true problem of Yugioh is konami themselves. They are greedy and care only about profit and have irrepairably damaged the game.
From a pure game design perspective, I quite like where the game is going. With a few exceptions, decks have been getting grindier and grindier while still maintaining the fast-paced YGO that some (including me) love.
I love that Konami's bringing out more ways to interact beyond saying "n o" like popping which still resolves most effects, or shoving cards into backrow. The lowered or oddly-specific restrictions also helps decks feel less cookie-cutter as well; I know they never were and that tech card choice had lots of skill expression, but it's really cool to mix and match engines to see how things fit together. You get to see cards in whole new combinations. If the match is between decks of comparable power level, there's so much interaction and skill. Alas, that's the catch; decks must be of comparable power and ideally affordable for the vast majority.
So much of the game's issues really come down to Konami's shitty pricing imo. This Contemporary Era (name suggestion?) of YGO and its new design philosophy could be really cool and interesting if only it were more accessible from official channels. As it is, I'll probably just proxy stuff to have fun with these cool new decks at a chill locals or with friends.
It's really sad to see this game become so inaccessible. For a little while things seemed to be doing better after rarity collection, but with bonfires and the SS package being so ridiculously expensive it just sucks.
That's how konami operates. They print expensive cards, then reprint them much much later to create good will and more money, and then they just print more expensive cards.
Latest format is by far the most disgusting example of it too. Multiple sets of support, a structure, and gutting the previous format's tiered decks too guarantee a tier 0 meta
Rarity Collection was always going to be merely the bone Konami throws to the consumers to get them to quit yapping for a little while (see: Duel Devastator). They've made a habit of it. Expect the next one in 2 years.
Unrelated to the topic but I love the sneaky little Purrely alt arts xD
Oddly enough, videos like this are a huge reason why you're one of my favorite Yugitubers. It is unfortunate that this one tended to be so negative, but this shit is real, and the "break in character" towards the end when you talked about how it's supposed to just be a game really fucking resonated with me. It's truly unfortunate how politics and greed are so prominent literally everywhere. Maybe it'll be better someday. Not today, but maybe someday.
As long as I've been playing Yu-Gi-Oh over the decades it has been around this is one of the best informed videos about the power creep in the game and I greatly applaud you for making this. I can see that some of these choices were made to keep the game fresh but on the other side of that Konami is simply greedy and eventually this Power Creep will we'll get to the point were the game will start to collapse on itself due to too much going on at once. Great video again.
I just keep coming back! I guess I love that kind of videos. Very interestingly, the new design feels like peeps three weeks into playing DuelingBook customs! My brother said (kind of as a joke) that the game got so crazy that the only thing keeping Pot of Greed banned is the FTKs.
This has been very informative, My buddies and I talk about this stuff all the time and feel like conspiracy theorists for treating Konami like some evil shadow government that only has the worst intentions for us.
Excellent video, power creep is the word. I remember having red-eyes dark dragoon, thinking this is peak yu-gi-oh. The introduction of hand traps and reviving Maxx c completely changed the game.
Woah, really good video! I hope that this way of referring to Yugioh becomes the new standard. One smal thing that I would like to say, because I've given this topic wayyyy too much thought in my head, is that I'd say the key difference between middle and modern Yugioh is the streamlined design of archetypes. What I mean by that is that archetypes after DUEA have much more cohesive and hollistic gameplans. In middle Yugioh archetypes were generally designed (with a few exceptions) as gimmick + generick good effect with a boss monster often strong on its own (think Shi-en or Abyssgaios for example), but no way to tie everything together. This meant that decks in addition to their archetype played a whole host of generic cards, most notably in the extra deck, which was generally used as a generic toolbox. Then since DUEA suddenly archetypes are getting cards which tie the entire gameplan together. El Shaddoll Construct is a perfect example, as it makes the need for generic toolbox cards basically defunct, as it is in itself the entire toolbox! In general this divide between relying on generic cards vs. the archetype being basically able to do everything, is for me the primary difference between middle Yugioh.
One day, the game just gonna be a best 2 out 3 coin toss. Whoever goes first will just be declared the winner that round
Very informative, thank you!
The way Konami is managing yugioh, makes it feel like Konami wants, American player's to shift more towards, Proxies and Oricas. It's sad to think about the amount of times, Konami has used these awful business practices.
These last Four years of hyper inflation, has really exacerbated the general economies, of the world too though.
I am enjoying how decks play at so many axis now and have interruptions that aren’t necessarily negates but I do not enjoy how many of these cards create free recursion. I think thats defo something they can tone down a bit
Konami: introduces hand traps to slow your opponent and give you a chance to respond
Also Konami: Makes decks that play around hand traps
Honestly: I think in terms of general accessibility yugioh is in a pretty solid place… Juuuuust as long as you’re only wanting to play on a locals level or less. In terms of budget decks there’re a ton of options that compared to every other deck in the game are solid. It’s just when you start caring about tiered events is when the gap between those budget decks and tier one is most apparent.
Depend on your locals, in my city the local are with multiple country winner, ycs winner, world player and a very bunch of wcq winner or top i feel the meta and you only go 1-4 or 2-3 at best with a less Tier 2 deck. The previous meta are fun, sadly Edison price does up because ppl getting tired on current format, if you not have friend who play like you cheap fun deck, your just out of the game
A sad and good point your comm remind me is, they print a lot of useless card so that make ppl possibility to build deck for 5$
Honestly: this is cope
As someone who just wants to play red supernova dragon I felt that section on how everything is so restrictionless now. I gotta lock myself into dark dragon synchro monsters so even if I have the extra cards to combo bodies onto the board I can’t keep extending into a useful link monster or a common synchro staple, on too of the fact that my final boss monster is lvl 12 and requires specifically 3 tuners and a dark synchro dragon and my deck fetch card only works if only it and a single synchro monster are on my field so I can’t use it in any unusual board states. Also both my “archetype” graveyard effects can only be activated on later turns not the turn they go to the graveyard. I put archetypal in quotes because red rising dragon and wandering king wildwind are not really helped by the archetype and only serve to mention the resonators in their effects
I ended up watching this video again because I had some things on my mind in relation to "power-creep." Would you consider doing a video on decks that could potentially become meta again if their bnb cards were no longer on the banned list (prankids is one that comes to mind)? Let's be honest, some of the "power creep" is just artificial. If block dragon was taken off the banned list would adamancipator/megalith become a force again?
I have an idea kinda like that I've been working on. It might be a while before I release it though.
Thank you for this PSA. I was thinking of coming back, but this has been eye opening. If anything I may just try edison
Edison is a great format. I also recomend hat if you can find a group to play it with
in 10 years, we will have decks that draw 10 cards with no restrictions, and have a board full of negates and still be considered weak.
the powercreep in yugioh is so extrem, you basicaly can't play cards that are 1 or 2 years old, because the creep is so fast
I fucking love your videos my dude. Please do more 😭
Thank you for this video. If anyone is looking to rekindle yu-gi-oh memories, should see this to gain an understanding of how the game is these days. Remember, Kaz wanted this to be about making connections, not the cash grabbing gacha heartless pit it's turned into.
Heart of the cards, my friends!
I love how games never go bad after they peak, they're just increasingly "not for everyone".
according to invested players anyway lol
I’Ve wondered how Yu Gi Oh got to the Wild point it’s at. Thanks for this explanation.
You somehow gotta keep the franchise alive
Seen it happen in league of legends, fortnite and now yugioh. These games start off slow and methodical then ramp up to a fast pace. Seems like the natural evolution of things I guess. I mean, speed chess is a thing.
Current monsters have way too many effects.
I was looking for a reason to retire from competitive. Firewall FTK and Tear almost gave me a reason. But a $1000+ tier 0 deck is the straw that broke the camels back for me. I've retreated to goat and edison now lmao.
Still want a deck choice guide! As someone who’s playing voiceless voice and already knows what he wants to play, I just like watching your videos and hearing your thoughts!
One of the biggest things I’ve noticed is the lack of restrictions post POTE, even promethean flame princess just locks you to fire while she’s on the field
I was honestly surprised the first time I heard that the OCG and even games like Magic the Gathering treat their rarities/pull rates better than the TCG, and that what we have isn't the norm.
Honestly I’ve always been in and out of yugioh, the early unchained rescue ace format was so good because it allowed so many decks that would soon be power crept to be played. I piloted swordsoul in a 22 man local and went X-1-2, had a blast but short lived since snake eye released shortly after. I genuinely think it’s time to hang the game up. Just bought premium sleeves and deck boxes with silicone packets to keep the cards from warping over time. I don’t even want to play it anymore but it’s nice to have the decks as memories of game I used to enjoy
I know yugioh is rough right now, but don't give up on the game. Give it a bit of time and a format you love will come around again. Probably after fiendsmith comes and goes. It's just how yugioh is as a game. After every wind up hand loop is a hat format.
@@MonkeyFightTCG I like tcg too much to be waiting for a few months out of the year to play lol, I’m alright with tier 0 formats, but we’ve gone from spright, to kash, to tear to snake eye. Usually there’s a little break in between but this year has been so ass. I’ve been playing since just before zoo (I played zoo on release) but these past couple formats have been atrocious along side the inflation of prices and lack luster sets
Dragun : can't be targeted or destroyed by card effect , Omni negate that destroys , gains power after destroying card with negate effect , can destroy monster cards and burn for attack stat
TY-PHON : 1 card generic XYZ. Non target bounce, stops monsters over 2900k from activating effects
Yugioh is just broken. You don't even need to summon monsters properly anymore. In 2030 we will have kaijus from deck without any restrictions
Excellent point made at 12:55 where you're not welcome as a paper player if you dont have the money
Cozmo players back in 2016 were super fucking pissed that their $500+ dollar deck was losing to basically the monarch structure deck and I feel like quite a few players got shunned for playing it
It’s crazy to see what the game has become over the years. Can the game take another decade of power creep like it has before? Something has to give eventually.
Price point issues are valid but I think the game still isnt casual friendly at all minus time wizard like formats, which is more of an elephant in the room than existing playerbase wants to admit via all the downplaying it gets
This was really well done! Even if I happen to disagree about the pace changes being mexhanically better, since I prefer a slower game with less recursion and searching.
Man... You are so absolutely right. I am a classic player, since the 2000s and card games was never an cheap hobby. But lately... the single card prices are exploding the deck prices that Ive known...We are mostly playing money in attack position for Konami.
This is why I ignore meta decks as I’m not shelling out 1000 dollars for a deck. I stick with my rogue type decks like Aliens and make them work with my own creative deck building. I don’t need to win to have fun and if I win easily with a meta deck is it even worth it? The harder you work for something, the more satisfying it feels when you finally achieve it. I think one of the ways we can slowly change Konami’s greedy ways is vote with your wallet and stop buying into their new product, but that would require everyone to agree and stand in unison against Konami.
I too like aliens
I also feel like the game needs Special Summoning limited to twice per turn, added into the rulebook, just to stem the flood of OTKs as well.
twice per turn is too little. hell, even my fun decks from 10 years ago special summon more than twice. make it a limit on, lets say, 5.
@@Dr.AvenVon Either way, Banning Summon Limit is NOT the answer.
Yeah what I'm seeing is that most meta decks can use a lot of resources and get a ton of resources back cause of their card's graveyard effects. It's not like back in the day where if you fusion summon an elemental hero monster you're going minus 3 just to summon 1 monster whereas nowadays you can special summon a bunch of stuff and still get ++++. It's dumb.
The message of the video: Komoney greedy
Great video
In mtg the community freaks out and cries powercreep once a 3 mana draw two cards sorcery gets printed as a instant.
Sometimes its really baffling how insane the powercreep in yugioh is.
Bruh anyone who thinks the game of yugioh now is better than what it used to be is insane. I used to remember games going over the 10 turn mark often. You used to be able to be creative with your deck and still actually have a viable shot at winning even against the meta decks; I know because I used to do it all the time. I brought decks I made up entirely on my own or with the help of some friends of mine at the time to regionals and went as high as 5-3 (I was really close to topping but I bricked game 1 of round 8 and it was over from there.) I would do that kinda stuff for fun, in between the events I'd take more seriously. I wouldn't dare try to play the game like that now; I'd just get stomped by Snake Eye, or whatever other ridiculously strong strategy becomes relevant to sell cards. I just want a physical Rush Duel but Konami wont give it to me smh.
Synchro and early Xyz era were the most fun to play. There was actual interaction between players. Nowadays all the "interaction" you get is using handtraps to negate during turn 1 and using omni negates during turn 2. It's all about disrupting plays, getting to your win condition and stopping the opponent from getting to their win condition, not about managing resources and finding a way to play around the opponent's strategy.
Top decking a card that helps you break your opponent's board is so much more satisfying than doing a 15-minute long combo line over and over again.
The cards should simply Do Less Things. You're so right about the 3 effects, and it's too much. "1 card combo" should just not exist. You shouldn't go plus over the course of your turn, cards should CONSUME resources instead of generate MORE resources.
I'm still so new to yugioh that it's just hard to wrap my mind around power creep and changing metas. I just want to play dinos and d/d in peace
I will say, as much as I don’t like this level of power creep, archetypal hand traps I think are a neat design
With the cards price here in Brazil it's even more atrocious to acess new cards, I leave that to Master Duel, when I duel IRL with my friends we discuss which banlist we going to use and always stick to rogue decks with tons of variety, we have lots of fun doing this, it's a shame that unless you got the Fireking Snake-Eyes latest shit you're not going anywhere lmao. God, I miss the last two decades of Yugioh 😭
those purrely cards look so cute 🥺 idc how good they are, i would play them!
anyway, i think a deck choice guide would still be cool, even if you were salty. it is still cool to see what decks you think can steal some wins from the big scary meta deck.
For Like a straight year since release up untill this current format,they have been anywhere from 'okay' to ' top 5 best decks' ,but that Also changed even from event to event,
Watch thelawygo's ygo 2023 recap vid for more info but i remember their Being a part of the year where they went from Like 4+ decks in top 16,to 0,to back in top 16 Again from event to event.