This is a really great video. I thought since we saw the first one together a few years ago that I'd watch a few minutes but ended up watching the whole thing. Even though I don't have a lot of context or heavy investment in the Marvel brand, this video was incredibly approachable and thorough. I love how you used other pieces of media to illustrate your criticisms of the film and how it could be better or do things a little differently. Overall really great work and I’m excited to be one of the first few subs to this channel.
I just kind of presumed Wanda would seamlessly replace her doppelgänger in a way Billy and Tommy wouldn’t notice, and hadn’t anticipated to just spontaneously storm in demanding her children. The only thing she’d have to do is reality warp her hair to brown and use her telepathy to read all of 838’s memories, therefor having what it takes to adequately replace her, and then I guess murder her variant. That’s me giving the writers the benefit of the doubt as this wasn’t elaborated on at all and was only hinted at, but this plan would be foolproof.
I really like this video, you make lots of good points, many of which I agree with. To me, this movie was a breath of fresh air in the MCU. I have felt gradually less and less impressed with Marvel movies in general recently, the Marvel shows on Disney+ are doing better on that regard to me so far, so Sam Raimi adding a little bit of his own spin to Doctor Strange felt great to me! The funny thing is that I simply hate horror movies in a wider sense, but I love how Raimi does horror lol. It looks very unique and creative from a visual point of view. Personally, I didn't mind the initial scene, I think its context is very self-explanatory and we'd obviously get more out of it as the movie progressed. I can definetely see how the main theme perpassing Stephen's character arc can be a little unclear, though, but it doesn't bother me that much. Same for America's miraculous sudden control of her powers, though I'd have liked to see her train to gain control over them. I don't think it was bad; cliché, yeah, but not necessarily bad. As to the Illuminati, they're literally morons with delusions of grandeur lol. I've watched a video about their greatest mistakes, and turns out their first mission as a group was actually to go to the planet of the Skrulls, who had previously invaded Earth, to make a statement of "Don't mess with Earth, or we mess with you!". But they didn't count on the Skrulls being so technologically advanced that they'd be overpowered, captured, tortured and experimented on by them. The Skrulls ended up learning a lot more about Earth, its deffenses, superheroes and human weaknesess from that than from invading our planet prior to that. So, yeah, they're basically idiots 🤣🤣. Looking forward to your next reviews! 👍
Thanks! I saw the movie a second time this weekend, and I actually enjoyed it a lot more. Maybe since I was so critical the first time I could just focus on the good parts. I still stand by most of what I said, but I guess those issues didn't bother me as much this time. And yeah, I've gone back to watch all the Evil Dead films, and I can see how Raimi infused his style into this movie. I also remember reading that comic issue you mentioned, hadn't thought about it in a while lol.
For starters, this was a great video, good job bro. It had your geeky, dry humor, analysts personality in it and that’s what made it awesome. Reminds me of the young Sheldon narration. Second, Wanda in this movie is my biggest pet peeve in the movie. Felt force. Also I was slightly disappointed in some of the Illuminati. They suppose to be smartest people, not dumbasses. Love the video Nate
The illuminati are arrogant fools who look down on anyone else besides themselves and act as if they knew every answer to every problem out there in the comics, though. At least that's how I remember them from reading Marvel years ago, I'm mostly a DC and IDW reader nowadays.
@@guilhermevianabarbosa803 Oh okay. I've only read like one Illuminati comic that tied into Civil War. Just curious what are some DC and IDW comics you're enjoying right now?
@@TheMediaMonologue From DC, I'm mostly reading Wonder Woman titles. I started to read Wonder Woman back in the Future State event because they were going to introduce a new legacy Wonder Woman who's Brazilian, and, being Brazilian myself, I could not let that just pass by without reading it and I ended up falling in love with this new WW (who has been my profile picture ever since lol) and the Wonderverse in general. But I'm also reading "I Am Batman", "Superman: Son of Kal-El", "Monkey Prince", "Naomi", among some other stuff. As to IDW, I'm reading Brian Ruckley's "Transformers" (which has been nothing but phenomenal imo) and Erik Burnham's "Transformers: Beast Wars", which has been super fun to me as a Beast Wars fan! I'm also thinking about starting to read IDW's "Sonic, The Hedgehog" and maybe "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles" as well. As to Marvel, I've only read "Ms. Marvel" and "Champions" in recent times.
Yeah I enjoyed this movie, thought it was fairly good as well as thought that America Chavez was written somewhat well, they could have completely ruined her character. But i HATED Scarlett Witch. It was one of the main things that dragged this movie down for me. Maybe its because I'm not a parent but I thought her reasoning and the way she was going about it was stupid to me. I get she wants her kids back but she was willing to kill an innocent girl and a different version of herself, who we see is a fairly good parent to her version of Tommy and Billy. My friend and I talked about it after the movie and came to the conclusion that we didn't have enough screen time to see Wanda giving into the powers of the Darkhold and had we had that it might have worked out better. Its a show don't tell situation. Show us Wanda's mind is slipping by using dark magic, don't just tell us it did.
I think the thing that irked me most about this movie is that there weren't many Marvel ladies (specifically connected to the Avengers and Avengers films) to begin with. Natasha died and Wanda sacrificed herself (I could be missing someone idk). Now there's just the guys aside from Tony and Steve. Idk if it's an aversion to writing women or they just have no idea _how_ to go about it so they just kill them but it's annoying whatever it is. Cause idk I just don't see Wanda becoming a villain as fast as she did after WandaVision, after feeling all that remorse for her (initially) accidental actions.
Yeah, I wasn't opposed to Wanda becoming a villain, I just don't think her transition into villainy was handled very well. Here's to hoping we get more lady-centric MCU stories (as long as they're the exact opposite of Black Widow, that is XD).
If I recall, the comics often dictate that Chaos Magic is the opposite to the Phoenix Force, like Yin and Yang. But I’m not quite sure if one is more powerful than the other.
I'm going to stop you right there. Sam Raimi ruined this movie, he's just bad at writing. You can't blame the actress, again, Raimi can't write. Why is Christine Palmer in this movie at all? No point to it. Why does Wong have a love interest that we've never seen before but are expected to care about? Why does this movie have that love interest destroy the darkhold only for them to find another darkhold a few minutes later. Why is this movie have them looking for magic books? Why do they go to a dark castle? Why can they just teleport when Wong says its hard to get to? This movie isn't as bad as the Sequel trilogy, it has beautiful and interesting sequences; the music fight, Zombie Strange and his ghoul cape for example. Everything else is trash, this is only one level above Batman V Superman and we all know it was Snyder's fault. Lets talk about Wanda; she was a plot device in an already broken line of comics, the X-Men, whenever the writer needed a Deus Ex Machina she was there to do it. Then she became an Avenger, married Vision and had a family. Then they let some guy who was over the hill write Vision quest a story that didn't do anything other than to make Vision a robot instead of a Synthezoid, took away Wanda's children etc. After that she spent two decades being the villian and grieving the loss of her husband and her children. When Marvel's management wanted to get rid of most of the X-Men they wrote her doing it. When they didn't have a villian she became one and often each of these arcs ended with her coming to her sanity, realizing her children were fake, accepting that things were over with Vision and moving on, at least until they decided to do it all over again. It was a gigantic mistake, all of it, this movie repeating it only means the movies have to suffer it to now. Now they are going to have to do as they did; oh she's still alive but she's so remorseful, until we need her again, or she has amnesia until she doesn't. This movie can't deliver on the multiverse or the madness and its Raimi's fault. Waldron wrote the 1st episode of Loki after all, something that deftly explained the multiverse. Raimi isn't a high concept person he's from the old era of horror where visuals alone could get you by. That isn't true anymore, he's washed up and out of his depth. No one wants to say it.
This is a really great video. I thought since we saw the first one together a few years ago that I'd watch a few minutes but ended up watching the whole thing. Even though I don't have a lot of context or heavy investment in the Marvel brand, this video was incredibly approachable and thorough. I love how you used other pieces of media to illustrate your criticisms of the film and how it could be better or do things a little differently. Overall really great work and I’m excited to be one of the first few subs to this channel.
Thanks friend! Seeing the first Doctor Strange with you way back when was a lot of fun, glad to have you as a sub!
I just kind of presumed Wanda would seamlessly replace her doppelgänger in a way Billy and Tommy wouldn’t notice, and hadn’t anticipated to just spontaneously storm in demanding her children.
The only thing she’d have to do is reality warp her hair to brown and use her telepathy to read all of 838’s memories, therefor having what it takes to adequately replace her, and then I guess murder her variant. That’s me giving the writers the benefit of the doubt as this wasn’t elaborated on at all and was only hinted at, but this plan would be foolproof.
I really like this video, you make lots of good points, many of which I agree with. To me, this movie was a breath of fresh air in the MCU. I have felt gradually less and less impressed with Marvel movies in general recently, the Marvel shows on Disney+ are doing better on that regard to me so far, so Sam Raimi adding a little bit of his own spin to Doctor Strange felt great to me!
The funny thing is that I simply hate horror movies in a wider sense, but I love how Raimi does horror lol. It looks very unique and creative from a visual point of view. Personally, I didn't mind the initial scene, I think its context is very self-explanatory and we'd obviously get more out of it as the movie progressed.
I can definetely see how the main theme perpassing Stephen's character arc can be a little unclear, though, but it doesn't bother me that much. Same for America's miraculous sudden control of her powers, though I'd have liked to see her train to gain control over them. I don't think it was bad; cliché, yeah, but not necessarily bad.
As to the Illuminati, they're literally morons with delusions of grandeur lol. I've watched a video about their greatest mistakes, and turns out their first mission as a group was actually to go to the planet of the Skrulls, who had previously invaded Earth, to make a statement of "Don't mess with Earth, or we mess with you!". But they didn't count on the Skrulls being so technologically advanced that they'd be overpowered, captured, tortured and experimented on by them.
The Skrulls ended up learning a lot more about Earth, its deffenses, superheroes and human weaknesess from that than from invading our planet prior to that. So, yeah, they're basically idiots 🤣🤣.
Looking forward to your next reviews! 👍
Thanks! I saw the movie a second time this weekend, and I actually enjoyed it a lot more. Maybe since I was so critical the first time I could just focus on the good parts. I still stand by most of what I said, but I guess those issues didn't bother me as much this time.
And yeah, I've gone back to watch all the Evil Dead films, and I can see how Raimi infused his style into this movie.
I also remember reading that comic issue you mentioned, hadn't thought about it in a while lol.
For starters, this was a great video, good job bro. It had your geeky, dry humor, analysts personality in it and that’s what made it awesome. Reminds me of the young Sheldon narration. Second, Wanda in this movie is my biggest pet peeve in the movie. Felt force. Also I was slightly disappointed in some of the Illuminati. They suppose to be smartest people, not dumbasses. Love the video Nate
Thanks man! And yeah, lot of characters don't make smart decisions in the movie. Ah well.
The illuminati are arrogant fools who look down on anyone else besides themselves and act as if they knew every answer to every problem out there in the comics, though. At least that's how I remember them from reading Marvel years ago, I'm mostly a DC and IDW reader nowadays.
@@guilhermevianabarbosa803 Oh okay. I've only read like one Illuminati comic that tied into Civil War. Just curious what are some DC and IDW comics you're enjoying right now?
@@TheMediaMonologue From DC, I'm mostly reading Wonder Woman titles. I started to read Wonder Woman back in the Future State event because they were going to introduce a new legacy Wonder Woman who's Brazilian, and, being Brazilian myself, I could not let that just pass by without reading it and I ended up falling in love with this new WW (who has been my profile picture ever since lol) and the Wonderverse in general.
But I'm also reading "I Am Batman", "Superman: Son of Kal-El", "Monkey Prince", "Naomi", among some other stuff. As to IDW, I'm reading Brian Ruckley's "Transformers" (which has been nothing but phenomenal imo) and Erik Burnham's "Transformers: Beast Wars", which has been super fun to me as a Beast Wars fan!
I'm also thinking about starting to read IDW's "Sonic, The Hedgehog" and maybe "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles" as well. As to Marvel, I've only read "Ms. Marvel" and "Champions" in recent times.
@@guilhermevianabarbosa803 Nice! Thanks for sharing, gives me some stuff to check out next time I head to my local comic shop.
Yeah I enjoyed this movie, thought it was fairly good as well as thought that America Chavez was written somewhat well, they could have completely ruined her character. But i HATED Scarlett Witch. It was one of the main things that dragged this movie down for me. Maybe its because I'm not a parent but I thought her reasoning and the way she was going about it was stupid to me. I get she wants her kids back but she was willing to kill an innocent girl and a different version of herself, who we see is a fairly good parent to her version of Tommy and Billy. My friend and I talked about it after the movie and came to the conclusion that we didn't have enough screen time to see Wanda giving into the powers of the Darkhold and had we had that it might have worked out better. Its a show don't tell situation. Show us Wanda's mind is slipping by using dark magic, don't just tell us it did.
"Show don't tell" - Yep, I think that sums it up nicely.
I think the thing that irked me most about this movie is that there weren't many Marvel ladies (specifically connected to the Avengers and Avengers films) to begin with. Natasha died and Wanda sacrificed herself (I could be missing someone idk). Now there's just the guys aside from Tony and Steve. Idk if it's an aversion to writing women or they just have no idea _how_ to go about it so they just kill them but it's annoying whatever it is. Cause idk I just don't see Wanda becoming a villain as fast as she did after WandaVision, after feeling all that remorse for her (initially) accidental actions.
Yeah, I wasn't opposed to Wanda becoming a villain, I just don't think her transition into villainy was handled very well.
Here's to hoping we get more lady-centric MCU stories (as long as they're the exact opposite of Black Widow, that is XD).
Do you believe Wanda got her power amp from the darkhold? Or by turning into the Scarlet Witch officially in Wandavision?
Do you reckon the Scarlett witch is more powerful than the Phoenix Force
If I recall, the comics often dictate that Chaos Magic is the opposite to the Phoenix Force, like Yin and Yang. But I’m not quite sure if one is more powerful than the other.
Phoenix Force probably has more raw power, but Scarlet Witch has more training and control, so it'd interesting to see them go head to head.
@@marcusknightley Huh, that's an interesting detail. May have to look into that.
I'm going to stop you right there. Sam Raimi ruined this movie, he's just bad at writing. You can't blame the actress, again, Raimi can't write. Why is Christine Palmer in this movie at all? No point to it. Why does Wong have a love interest that we've never seen before but are expected to care about? Why does this movie have that love interest destroy the darkhold only for them to find another darkhold a few minutes later. Why is this movie have them looking for magic books? Why do they go to a dark castle? Why can they just teleport when Wong says its hard to get to? This movie isn't as bad as the Sequel trilogy, it has beautiful and interesting sequences; the music fight, Zombie Strange and his ghoul cape for example. Everything else is trash, this is only one level above Batman V Superman and we all know it was Snyder's fault. Lets talk about Wanda; she was a plot device in an already broken line of comics, the X-Men, whenever the writer needed a Deus Ex Machina she was there to do it. Then she became an Avenger, married Vision and had a family. Then they let some guy who was over the hill write Vision quest a story that didn't do anything other than to make Vision a robot instead of a Synthezoid, took away Wanda's children etc. After that she spent two decades being the villian and grieving the loss of her husband and her children. When Marvel's management wanted to get rid of most of the X-Men they wrote her doing it. When they didn't have a villian she became one and often each of these arcs ended with her coming to her sanity, realizing her children were fake, accepting that things were over with Vision and moving on, at least until they decided to do it all over again. It was a gigantic mistake, all of it, this movie repeating it only means the movies have to suffer it to now. Now they are going to have to do as they did; oh she's still alive but she's so remorseful, until we need her again, or she has amnesia until she doesn't. This movie can't deliver on the multiverse or the madness and its Raimi's fault. Waldron wrote the 1st episode of Loki after all, something that deftly explained the multiverse. Raimi isn't a high concept person he's from the old era of horror where visuals alone could get you by. That isn't true anymore, he's washed up and out of his depth. No one wants to say it.