Before "Victim in Pain" (1984), "Age of Quarrel" (1986) and LONG before H2O's first recordings (1995), the early foundations for New York Hardcore were laid by bands such as Kraut, Adrenalain OD, Even Worse, The Mad, Cause for Alarm and Bad Brains.
H20 has a strong presence in hardcore, but don't say they they laid an early foundation with the Cro-Mags and Agnostic Front. AF was doing it well over 10 years before H20 started. H20 is third generation pop hardcore.
Totally agree with you! H2O I love them to bits, but they are definitely more of a 3rd wave to me. with Agnostic Front, Regan Youth, Antidote in the first wave, then Sick of It All, Leeway, Gorilla Biscuits, Youth of Today etc in the 2nd wave then 3rd wave comes H2O and CIV maybe Quicksand all to name a few here and there.
My husband still has his ticket stub from Wallys in south Bethlehem pa, 1982 for MINOR THREAT. Its a framed stub and he has been offered $200 for it and he refused. 3 Years ago we took our then 13 year old son to see Bad Religion and we were talking to Brian Baker outside the club and he saw the black "X"s on our sons hands and he said "Are you Straight Edge". My son said "Yes". Brian said , "Its the way to be. Don't let ANYONE tell you different."
I love that vice is trying to delve into hardcore culture and explain it for those who don't know about it but this is hardly even the tip of the iceberg you really have to just experience it
Most hardcore kids wouldn't be hardcore kids if they didn't spend awhile going through the entry level stuff. I wouldn't be where I am today if the Ramones were never recommended to me. Everyone starts somewhere, and Vice/Noisey does a pretty good job of making learning the basics about the culture and introducing a new listener to a wide range of bands easy and fun.
They should really make a documentary about Toby. such an inspiration to everybody that is straight edge or a hardcore music fan. gotta keep that PMA !!!
Fuck that guy. I was locked up on a heroin related charge in 2012. The whole time I was inside, I kept singing OLOC to myself in an effort to change my outlook on life. Sure, I stumbled, but heroin hasn't been a part of my life for almost 4 years now. Toby and his PMA are great
I wouldn’t say Toby is fronting. He came up in the hardcore scene and is cool with all the pioneers of the scene. His sound is more SoCal pop punk but a lot of people prefer that. Including me. I’ll take Bad Religion or Pennywise any day over Gorilla Biscuits or Madball. Having actual melody in your music doesn’t make it tame, IMO.
H2O are pretty weak and weren't hardcore pioneers. They only stood out in the mid 90s cuz they were signed to Epitaph back when there were very few popular hc bands who didn't play Victory Records metalcore. Fast raw DIY hardcore was ripping shit up back then but didn't get attention from bigger punk labels.
These 50 something year old foggie still believing and doing that silly thing call hardcore, man they need to grow up and move on. Hardcore is dead its been dead since the mid 80s.
If you think this was something that should be "grown out of" you never really understood it and definitely didn't belong in it. It's only dead to those that don't live it and likely never did. I suspect hardcore was only something you were into and not something you felt and lived. It obviously didn't shape you the way it did and does guys like these. The fact that you can't see value in that reaffirms my previous statement, you never understood it.
Before "Victim in Pain" (1984), "Age of Quarrel" (1986) and LONG before H2O's first recordings (1995), the early foundations for New York Hardcore were laid by bands such as Kraut, Adrenalain OD, Even Worse, The Mad, Cause for Alarm and Bad Brains.
Another punk guy who likes some old school hip hop.
Respect.
Baltimore XVX
Especially in nyhc. Lots of them likes hip hop too.
Punk & Hip Hop are both cultures that have a lot in common.
A message delivered with a minimalistic back beat that moves people
these episode should be longer!
H20 has a strong presence in hardcore, but don't say they they laid an early foundation with the Cro-Mags and Agnostic Front. AF was doing it well over 10 years before H20 started. H20 is third generation pop hardcore.
+Mike Shea Yea but Hardcore is about the feeling and the Message !
that really counts
Mike Shea exactly
Totally agree with you! H2O I love them to bits, but they are definitely more of a 3rd wave to me. with Agnostic Front, Regan Youth, Antidote in the first wave, then Sick of It All, Leeway, Gorilla Biscuits, Youth of Today etc in the 2nd wave then 3rd wave comes H2O and CIV maybe Quicksand all to name a few here and there.
Thanks fo saying what I was about to. I was like are you kidding putting these guys in that category?? Not even
They laid the groundwork for the second wave of NYHC 100% along with Madball. H2O came outta Toby touring with sick of it all
My husband still has his ticket stub from Wallys in south Bethlehem pa, 1982 for MINOR THREAT. Its a framed stub and he has been offered $200 for it and he refused.
3 Years ago we took our then 13 year old son to see Bad Religion and we were talking to Brian Baker outside the club and he saw the black "X"s on our sons hands and he said "Are you Straight Edge". My son said "Yes".
Brian said , "Its the way to be. Don't let ANYONE tell you different."
I love that vice is trying to delve into hardcore culture and explain it for those who don't know about it but this is hardly even the tip of the iceberg you really have to just experience it
Pretty sure the founders of that magazine were hardcore kids.
Most hardcore kids wouldn't be hardcore kids if they didn't spend awhile going through the entry level stuff. I wouldn't be where I am today if the Ramones were never recommended to me. Everyone starts somewhere, and Vice/Noisey does a pretty good job of making learning the basics about the culture and introducing a new listener to a wide range of bands easy and fun.
The Sound Off series is incredible
They should really make a documentary about Toby. such an inspiration to everybody that is straight edge or a hardcore music fan. gotta keep that PMA !!!
Beautiful, enlightful!!, its nice to see and hear that good punk bands still got it, the new songs are great!
love Toby. even though he's straight edge, he's not a dick about it. open minded. likes more than just punk.
Jim Jones lol ok
Fuck that guy. I was locked up on a heroin related charge in 2012. The whole time I was inside, I kept singing OLOC to myself in an effort to change my outlook on life. Sure, I stumbled, but heroin hasn't been a part of my life for almost 4 years now. Toby and his PMA are great
Solid stuff
H2O are very inspirational
Yes
Brilian dud, ur da best🤙
Grande y especial persona!
“One life one chance” has always stuck with me, such an amazing song! And the crazy thing is...I’m not a big H2O fan
you really cant help but love this guy.
Toby is one of the coolest cats around.
One word: IDOL.
Was that Matt Skiba on stage at the end?
it was their show couple years a go at groezrock, the awesome yearly fest!
Just came back from it! it was amazing
Mto bom!!otimo exemplo
Nate Manning from Cruel Hand on drums?
R.I.-X FOREVER
this is fucking awesome!
H20 go!!! Im trying.to.come see them in chicago. For riotfest. Anyone that can get me in ?!?!?
I wonder what type of mentality those who often dislike videos like this have. smh
Certainly not the PMA kind!
His brother is my Study teacher😭😭
cool Coldplay shirt
Coolest guy ever
-your brother Todd's niece
Toby and Max :'D
h20 is some fuckin bad shit.
2:02 funnier if he said ..and theyre all true
0:17 like family))
Kid has a fucking drum riser in his room
Moved to L.A... sell out...lol....so am I...traded in my docs for open toe sandals and no socks. West coast...Best coast👍👍👍
I better like first wave hardcore..like cro-mags..Agnostic front...Antidote...Murphy's Law...
Where's the Deafheaven episode?
Isn't that Walter Delgado in the intro?
Ironic.
Faster Days yes
haha he said he was done! I still see skin here!
Sorry but calling these guys pioneers when they started in 1995? What?
Kenn Hiser x edge maybe they mean first to live that way in that scene.
@@andrew3912 except they weren’t? straight edge goes back to 81
Okay
Not knocking the band, but to insinuate that they had anything to do with the foundation of NYHC is quite a miss leading quote!
Good vid but I'm sure the Pistols message despite being nihilistic wasn't ever 'Fuck y'parents' :)
FREE WALLY!
h20 are a pop-punk band fronting as HC because they play the same lineups. music wise it's tame as fuck
I wouldn’t say Toby is fronting. He came up in the hardcore scene and is cool with all the pioneers of the scene. His sound is more SoCal pop punk but a lot of people prefer that. Including me. I’ll take Bad Religion or Pennywise any day over Gorilla Biscuits or Madball. Having actual melody in your music doesn’t make it tame, IMO.
Nah I just saw em live and that show was far from "tame" they may be more melodic but those riffs rip! Similar to 7 seconds.
Good guy, but my eyes bled when I saw a pic with 2 fuckin' cops :/
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Posing with cops -
not that cool :/
I agree. When I saw that, my eyes bled :(
more like h2no
lololol
Too bad Toby Morse is a hypocrite
Why?
plz explain
Positive is for your HIV test, not for hardcore
Tried to listen to them. Mediocre.
H2O are pretty weak and weren't hardcore pioneers. They only stood out in the mid 90s cuz they were signed to Epitaph back when there were very few popular hc bands who didn't play Victory Records metalcore. Fast raw DIY hardcore was ripping shit up back then but didn't get attention from bigger punk labels.
These 50 something year old foggie still believing and doing that silly thing call hardcore, man they need to grow up and move on. Hardcore is dead its been dead since the mid 80s.
wrong
If you think this was something that should be "grown out of" you never really understood it and definitely didn't belong in it. It's only dead to those that don't live it and likely never did. I suspect hardcore was only something you were into and not something you felt and lived. It obviously didn't shape you the way it did and does guys like these. The fact that you can't see value in that reaffirms my previous statement, you never understood it.