My friends bought Jeep Rubicon’s 2019, fully loaded. I bought a 2019 TRD Pro 4Runner , so far on some intermediate and one advanced trail , I’ve kept up. On the advanced road we took. They had better approach angles and from factory had bigger and better tires. So stock for stock they did out perform me off road in some areas however, my resale value. Interior, reliability. I’m going to have to spend more on mods because Toyota tax to keep up with my friends but slowly in due time, one mod at a time.
Long term reliability is my main concern. That's why I went with a 5th gen 4Runner. Wranglers are great vehicles if you're looking to lease an off-road capable vehicle. You can then turn it back in and all the inevitable wiring and performance issues can become somebody else's problem.
Ugh. I’m trying to convince myself of this. JK/JL Rubicons vs TRD Pro 4Runners. The pros and cons send the scale teetering back and fourth, but build quality keeps rearing its ugly head… The sheer architecture of any Wrangler makes it incredible offroad (beam axles and approach/departure/break over angles, electric lockers, sway bar disconnects, ect.), but it’s cost-cutting appointments and propensity for failures really hold it back for me. The 3.6 Pentastar and 8 speed auto is SO NICE to drive, but its failures are just waiting you; and for every customer without any real solutions from FCA. When a Jeep Mechanic told me of the nation-wide back order on replacement oil cooler assemblies and “this and that” for all 3.6 Wranglers, I shook his hand, thanked him, and walked away from the dealership.
It is just a generic apple play unit from amazon. Maybe about $400 and super easy to put in. I can’t find the specific one. This one went in about 8 years ago
I have a Rubicon Wrangler and a TRD OR 4Runner. Stock for stock the Jeep is better off road. And with 120k miles on the Jeep no issues so far. 4Runner is definitely more comfortable. I drive the Jeep with no hard top and even no doors quite often.
I’ve driven both. Multiple gen Jeeps and Toyota tacomas and 4Runners. Earlier gens for both I’d rather buy than any of the new stuff. They’re both capable machines, there’s just more options available to customize a Jeep vs a toyota. Plus people don’t even off-road either so it makes no difference.
Toyota owners can't decide which cope to choose. Jeep has more electric components, Toyota wins. Toyota has more electric components, Toyota wins. Can't keep up with the logic it's dizzying.
Sold my GX460 (better than a 4runner in every way) and got a jeep 392 wrangler rubicon. Toyota sucks at making cool cars. Your jeep and 4runner were both slow and mall crawler modded. But for texas that's fine. But no 4runner will compete with a jeep. Eventually, you will go to a jeep if you plan on doing hard trails. But if your just car camping it will be perfect.
460's are nice but it's delusional to say they're better than a 4Runner in every way. More luxurious for sure. A bit more powerful. Powertrain reliability is comparable. They're smoother than 4Runners on the road for sure as well. GX 460: It's not as off-road capable. It requires premium gas. The front ends look silly. they lose a LOT of value just driving off the lot, as opposed to 4Runner which holds its value more than almost anything else. the frames of the 460 are thinner and therefore weaker. And among many other things, the 460's cost about $11k more than even the highest trim 4Runner.
I got both a 2021 4runner limited a 2005 4runner SR5 with a 4.7L engine and a 2021 Wrangler Rubicon with a 3.6L engine, Im a car dealer and a hunter too sorry I have to disagree with you, 1st of all a wrangler specilay the Rubicon has way much higher re-sale value , Wrangler consumes way less gas , The warngler has an 8speed transmission unlike the 4Runner has a 5 speed transmission , my rubicon made it to places that the 4Runner no way on earth could have made it when I was on a moose hunting trip, I think you had the JK not the JL , by the way I just ordered another 2022 Rubicon that will arrive in Mar, the new 4Runner are made cheap unlike the older ones, my 2005 4Runner beats my 2021 4Runner but the Rubicon beats them all, I think you regret selling your wrangler and you trying to convince yourself , cheers bud
Congrats--if I ever decide to go moose hunting I'll consider the wrangler. For everything else, the 4Rubber is "way" better than any wrangler, at anything. And forget hardcore off-roading. No one is taking a $50-60K truck hard core off-roading.
Jeeps do have a high resale value, which is strange, because of their reliability issues. But they're comparable resale value to 4Runners and Tacomas. That's just a fact. People generally like the 5 speed transmission. They're very simple and smooth. Also, far more reliable than anything Chrysler/fiat has ever made, and that goes for the engine as well. 4Runner powertrains are overbuilt, underpowered, bad on gas, but simple, smooth, top tier reliability, and that's why we like them.
I love how Toyota tries to bad mouth other brands of vehicles I will buy a Jeep over a Toyota anyday Why did you downgrade dude to an ugly vehicle that is not worth anything
Im not saying toyota isnt more reliable but man you got unlucky with that jeep lol. My dad had 200k before his got stolen and i have 80k and i would have destroyed the toyota already. Well, unless i spent like 4k on the front ifs lol. I used to have a habit of driving 80-90pmh jumping frozen berms on the lake. I know the 2012-2013 jeeps models had more issues before they changed stuff. Maybe one day ill get a toyota just for the reliability but then id have to spend so much more to get it even to the jeep i have now. 1 ton steering, suspension, tires, rear locker, all together is a lot cheaper than the mods id need for the toyota IFS with the jeep's mods. I suppose it also depends on the offroading you do, you see a lot more toyotas stranded from breaking tierods/balljoints in stock form compared to the jeep(which rarely happens with 33s/35s). Im also curious how the toyota 4.0 v6 or 4.7 v8 would handle high rpms for extended periods. The aluminum block 3.6 is fairly ok at it, and doesnt really heat soak that bad
The block and transmission were bulletproof, it’s all the crap attached to it that seemed to fail. Super disappointed in the plastic oil filter housing down below the intake manifold where it gets lots of heat and vibrations. Off roading I definitely worried less about the Jeep. The thing I hate to admit is… since we picked up some super cheap Polaris SXSs from a equipment auction those are the only things that get to go off-roading. I really don’t mind about snapping a axle when a new one is $70 with free shipping and a 30 min swap! Don’t think I can off-road a real truck again.
I just came across your video, I cracked up when you said you melted your trash can running an outboard. Love the hat shredding 😂😂
I guess outboards are for lakes and oceans not trash cans?
Just went from a 2020 rubicon to a 2023 4Runner trd pro.
Nice!!
My friends bought Jeep Rubicon’s 2019, fully loaded. I bought a 2019 TRD Pro 4Runner , so far on some intermediate and one advanced trail , I’ve kept up. On the advanced road we took. They had better approach angles and from factory had bigger and better tires. So stock for stock they did out perform me off road in some areas however, my resale value. Interior, reliability. I’m going to have to spend more on mods because Toyota tax to keep up with my friends but slowly in due time, one mod at a time.
The good news is you will get to enjoy your mods longer because the jeeps will fall apart in a few years anyways.
Long term reliability is my main concern. That's why I went with a 5th gen 4Runner. Wranglers are great vehicles if you're looking to lease an off-road capable vehicle. You can then turn it back in and all the inevitable wiring and performance issues can become somebody else's problem.
Agreed. Just switched from a Jeep Wrangler JL to a 4Runner. It’s a lot easier to live with.
Lol that hat exploded! I hope there’s an outboard engine video coming
More trash cans are needed to finish that one up.
Agree, as a 4runner owner and a previous Jeep owner I pick 4runner.
I drank the kool-aid for so long, glad I’m not the only one seeing the light.
Wait… if this 4Runner is a 2014 why does it have a 2020+ radio?
It’s a aftermarket radio. Much like the bumper, lift, wheels, winch, ladder, roof rack, cb. Do just like a Jeep tons of non OEM stuff!
This dude sounds like he’s trying to convince himself.
Ugh. I’m trying to convince myself of this. JK/JL Rubicons vs TRD Pro 4Runners. The pros and cons send the scale teetering back and fourth, but build quality keeps rearing its ugly head… The sheer architecture of any Wrangler makes it incredible offroad (beam axles and approach/departure/break over angles, electric lockers, sway bar disconnects, ect.), but it’s cost-cutting appointments and propensity for failures really hold it back for me. The 3.6 Pentastar and 8 speed auto is SO NICE to drive, but its failures are just waiting you; and for every customer without any real solutions from FCA. When a Jeep Mechanic told me of the nation-wide back order on replacement oil cooler assemblies and “this and that” for all 3.6 Wranglers, I shook his hand, thanked him, and walked away from the dealership.
I did have to do that oil cooler repair. It was crazy finding the part.
What kind of infotainment is that? Link?
It is just a generic apple play unit from amazon. Maybe about $400 and super easy to put in. I can’t find the specific one. This one went in about 8 years ago
What’s the head unit you’ve got there?
Rhino radio
I have a Rubicon Wrangler and a TRD OR 4Runner. Stock for stock the Jeep is better off road. And with 120k miles on the Jeep no issues so far. 4Runner is definitely more comfortable. I drive the Jeep with no hard top and even no doors quite often.
I’ve driven both. Multiple gen Jeeps and Toyota tacomas and 4Runners. Earlier gens for both I’d rather buy than any of the new stuff. They’re both capable machines, there’s just more options available to customize a Jeep vs a toyota. Plus people don’t even off-road either so it makes no difference.
And I thought you were going to shred leaves. 😂
I think some leaves might have fallen in there by accident.
Can you please send me the hat if you still have it? ☺
Sorry, it didn’t survive the many attempts to save it.
I bet the wood chipper was made by Jeep instead of Toyota.
I wood agree.
Toyota owners can't decide which cope to choose. Jeep has more electric components, Toyota wins. Toyota has more electric components, Toyota wins. Can't keep up with the logic it's dizzying.
Imo, Everyday uses 4RUNNER 🏆 wins.
Why, I can't buy a jeep cause I need space too lol
I would’ve asked for the hat…
Shipping can be arranged.
Sold my GX460 (better than a 4runner in every way) and got a jeep 392 wrangler rubicon. Toyota sucks at making cool cars. Your jeep and 4runner were both slow and mall crawler modded. But for texas that's fine. But no 4runner will compete with a jeep. Eventually, you will go to a jeep if you plan on doing hard trails. But if your just car camping it will be perfect.
460's are nice but it's delusional to say they're better than a 4Runner in every way. More luxurious for sure. A bit more powerful. Powertrain reliability is comparable. They're smoother than 4Runners on the road for sure as well.
GX 460: It's not as off-road capable. It requires premium gas. The front ends look silly. they lose a LOT of value just driving off the lot, as opposed to 4Runner which holds its value more than almost anything else. the frames of the 460 are thinner and therefore weaker. And among many other things, the 460's cost about $11k more than even the highest trim 4Runner.
Second that!!
Thirded!
I got both a 2021 4runner limited a 2005 4runner SR5 with a 4.7L engine and a 2021 Wrangler Rubicon with a 3.6L engine, Im a car dealer and a hunter too sorry I have to disagree with you, 1st of all a wrangler specilay the Rubicon has way much higher re-sale value , Wrangler consumes way less gas , The warngler has an 8speed transmission unlike the 4Runner has a 5 speed transmission , my rubicon made it to places that the 4Runner no way on earth could have made it when I was on a moose hunting trip, I think you had the JK not the JL , by the way I just ordered another 2022 Rubicon that will arrive in Mar, the new 4Runner are made cheap unlike the older ones, my 2005 4Runner beats my 2021 4Runner but the Rubicon beats them all, I think you regret selling your wrangler and you trying to convince yourself , cheers bud
But the bronco beats them all
@@Neo5GT if it beats them all it wont drop 50 percent after 30 days, unlike the wranglers specialy Rubicons prices go up and up
@@cheguevara6551 what are you talking about?? Broncos are selling 50-100% ABOVE msrp - new or used!🤣
Congrats--if I ever decide to go moose hunting I'll consider the wrangler. For everything else, the 4Rubber is "way" better than any wrangler, at anything. And forget hardcore off-roading. No one is taking a $50-60K truck hard core off-roading.
Jeeps do have a high resale value, which is strange, because of their reliability issues. But they're comparable resale value to 4Runners and Tacomas. That's just a fact.
People generally like the 5 speed transmission. They're very simple and smooth. Also, far more reliable than anything Chrysler/fiat has ever made, and that goes for the engine as well. 4Runner powertrains are overbuilt, underpowered, bad on gas, but simple, smooth, top tier reliability, and that's why we like them.
Lol yeah keep telling yourself that.
Give it a try, you won’t be disappointed.
No way ifs is better than solid axle for off-road
you sound salty. 4 runners cant beat wrangler offroad
I love how Toyota tries to bad mouth other brands of vehicles I will buy a Jeep over a Toyota anyday Why did you downgrade dude to an ugly vehicle that is not worth anything
Except it looks way better than a Jeep, and had higher resale value, so....
@@rushmoresociety2577 what looks better is very subjective and as far as resale value, take another look6-7 years down the road
Wrangler FTW
@@joewe23 ::: Don't have to wait years. Wranglers literally look the same. Forever.
Looks are subjective. Resale value is not. You’re making things up, which is weird.
Im not saying toyota isnt more reliable but man you got unlucky with that jeep lol. My dad had 200k before his got stolen and i have 80k and i would have destroyed the toyota already. Well, unless i spent like 4k on the front ifs lol. I used to have a habit of driving 80-90pmh jumping frozen berms on the lake. I know the 2012-2013 jeeps models had more issues before they changed stuff. Maybe one day ill get a toyota just for the reliability but then id have to spend so much more to get it even to the jeep i have now. 1 ton steering, suspension, tires, rear locker, all together is a lot cheaper than the mods id need for the toyota IFS with the jeep's mods. I suppose it also depends on the offroading you do, you see a lot more toyotas stranded from breaking tierods/balljoints in stock form compared to the jeep(which rarely happens with 33s/35s). Im also curious how the toyota 4.0 v6 or 4.7 v8 would handle high rpms for extended periods. The aluminum block 3.6 is fairly ok at it, and doesnt really heat soak that bad
The block and transmission were bulletproof, it’s all the crap attached to it that seemed to fail. Super disappointed in the plastic oil filter housing down below the intake manifold where it gets lots of heat and vibrations.
Off roading I definitely worried less about the Jeep. The thing I hate to admit is… since we picked up some super cheap Polaris SXSs from a equipment auction those are the only things that get to go off-roading. I really don’t mind about snapping a axle when a new one is $70 with free shipping and a 30 min swap! Don’t think I can off-road a real truck again.