Range Report: Girsan MC 14T (.380 Clone of a Beretta 80 Series with Tip-Up Barrel)
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- Опубликовано: 19 июл 2023
- In this Range Report I take a look at a really cool copy or clone of a Beretta 80 Series pistol chambered in .380, but unlike the Berettas this pistol has a tip-up barrel. This pistol is the model MC 14T by Girsan. The build quality seems good, however I did have a few issues with both the reliability and take down of the firearm. This video documents my personal thoughts, opinions and experiences with this pistol. Yours may vary.
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I just bought an MC14T about a month ago and love it. I have only had a couple of feed problems with it but have discovered it was the ammo I was using . With the correct ammo there have been no more feed problems.
That's a good data point. Thank you for sharing.
what ammo did you use
I have a Beretta Mod 86.Very few were made and imported into the U.S. The only advantage the MC 14T brings is the double stack mag and 5 extra rounds other than that they are basically the same pistol. Good Video.
That is so cool you have one! Congrats! I am jealous!
I own six Turkish made guns. I’m happy with all of them. All metal guns with excellent machining.
No problems out of any of them .
Tisas and Sarsilmaz.
I am glad to hear it. I am happy to hear they are working out for you.
As far a complete takedown and cleaning. This gun was made for that demographic. I bought one, because at 72, my hand lessened strength and lack of ability to rack the slide of my previous carry pistol. Most people who buy this will probably put very few rounds through it, or even carry it. It will probably be a bedside gun for most of the elderly and women who buy one.
You might be right and it makes a lot of sense from that perspective.
It's more of a copy of the Beretta 86 because of its tip-up barrel. Very few Beretta 86s were made. If you can find one, they command premium prices. That makes the Girsan MC14T a good bargain, if you want an easy- to- load tip-up barrel because you have difficulty racking the slide on Beretta 84s and 85s due to old age, or other hand strength issues.
I totally get that. I would love to see one in person.
This gun looks pretty boss in black gloss/gold. I would get one if I was able to afford to collect a little, looks like an easy barrel swab. I think my next buy will be a Bersa Thunder 380 Combat Plus.
I agree. The anesthetics of this pistol are really nice.
Excellent video here sir!! Best review I've seen on this here tip-up, very thorough with loads of information!! Had to sub! 😎🤘
That means a lot to me. I am glad you enjoyed it!
Professional analysis is always important. This gun might have been the most accurate gun on the market. You would simply have to add a small soloist at the end of the barrel to the rear sight and place it on top of the aforementioned soloist, in such a way that the sights are fixed on the barrel. It would be necessary to put a polygonal barrel and a nail extractor is also essential. Without a doubt the remarkable design of the tilting gun could have easily been perfected and made perfect. It is understood that the wonderful Beretta gunsmiths were not supported enough by the Engineers, otherwise we would already have it available. The other modification must come to the 380 caliber that has to go to 9x18 of German origin and perfect the loads, to obtain an ideal projectile in terms of pressure, recoil and tuning in pocket weapons for the 21st century.-
Very good points.
I love mine, 500 rounds and not one problem. Thank you
You are very welcome. Thank you for watching!
What ammo are you using? The feed issues seem to be related to what ammo is used.
I really like your gun videos. I love the honest opinions you give I’ve subscribed to the channel.
I am honored! Thank you for saying that.
It is a slightly updated version of the Beretta 86 tip-up which did not have a light rail. My dad has always said that the 86 Tip-up was one of the only Beretta's he would have bought, IF he could have found one in 32ACP. Based on the available ammo of the time 32ACP was usually more accurate than .380. Since many of the direct blowback .380 pistols of the time were designed for the smaller cartridge they could beat themselves to death overtime, the HK4 is a prime example of this. With modern metallurgy, springs and ammo I've told him he really needs to look at the MC 14T.
Then it sounds like this is a great pistol he might really like.
I would like to see the Girsan come with a squared off trigger guard.
This is a great show and thanks for the info and i have one of them in 380 and I got it 20 years ago and the gun is great 👌👌👌👍👍👍💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💪💪👌
Thank you so much and I am glad you enjoyed it.
Beretta made a model 80 Cheetah then it went out of production. They have since resurrected the Cheetah with the 86. I am looking into getting the Girsan MC 14T due to an issue with racking the slide on my G19. I agree that it looks and performs like a Beretta clone.
Good information. I wish Beretta would reissue the original!
@@thetexasgunvault Me too! lol
Girsan seems to make near perfect accurate reproductions of older competitor gun models like their 1911 military pistol. The small changes made to this gun seem to be the better barrel hinge pin design.On the original Berretta that pin and barrel is Not removable. It IS removable and replaceable, their 3 pc hinge pin assembly on the Girsan MC14T. It allows the barrel and slide to be removed on this pistol. (Just in case you want to remove the slide / barrel etc. for some deep cleaning etc.) I wish they had made the huge thick front sight removable/dovetailed in the barrel, but we cant have everything. For close range 380ACP defense shooting the sights should be fine. For elderly folks or those with hand strength issues this should be a great Self defense pistol imho.
Thank you for the information.
I have read that you could Not remove the hinge pin on the Original Berretta. Its was splined and peened into place for life supposedly. Girsan Improved this old design. Its now a removable hinge pin by taking out a single roll pin. Now you can easily remove the barrel and slide! Excellent job Girsan ! Now this gun is much easier serviced and disassembled (unlike the original Berretta.)
Good point. I would like to see and handle one of the originals though.
@@thetexasgunvault I would love to see and handle one of the original model 86 Berretta's too. They are the rarest of All the series 80 pistols. The original model 86 Tilt barrel 380's from Berretta were single stack 8 round and came with 2 mags. I have seen pictures and listings as high as $1599.00 for an original 86 here in Missouri. Unfortunately I just looked and the best thing to the Girsan MC14T I could find is the new 13 round Non Tilt up barrel , Berretta Cheetah for $769.00 I bought the tilt barrel Girsan MC14T in FDE for half of that. The lanyard loop sold me ! 😆🤠 Never know when I may have to go jump on a horse and go shooting. I'm just joking , As you said, I think Girsan really tries to make their new reproduction guns as close to exact duplicate of the original as possible. Girsan and Tisas (both Turkish gun makers) are similar in making almost exact copies of the old original all metal guns from yesteryear for usually half the cost. The Tisas 1911A1 Army model is so close to an exact WWII pistol its crazy. BTW, I saw another U tubers shooting video where he showed the Berretta 13 round mags fit and function perfect in these Girsan MC14T's which is good. Girsan has mags on backorder for some time and the gun only ships with 1 mag! I ordered 3 xtra 80x Berretta mags for under $30.00 ea. (Both are made by Mec Gar) I am not a fan of Turkey at all myself, but this pistol had so many special things going for it I had to get one. Its either that or spend $800.00 for a Beretta Cheetah which is not a Tilt up barrel. Its my 1st DA/SA pistol so If I get used to the manual of arms I may get a Berretta 92 someday. Thanks for your video review and shooting video that helped me make up my mind to order one.
One reviewer observed that if there is a failure to eject you would need a ramrod to clear the fired casing. Racking the slide wouldn’t remove it. Is that true?
Yes depending on the type of malfunction or ruptured case. The extractor might not be strong enough to pull it out.
The Girsan does not even have an extractor at all, just like the Tomcat, which I have, and the Bobcat. I think that lack of an extractor could have caused some of your range troubles too.@@thetexasgunvault
Obviously if she doesn't like the gun, she doesn't like it.... BUT re-watch her shooting, her hand is not up in the beaver tail..
Theres a large gap between the webbing and beaver tail. If she chokes up a bit that might help
I agree. However if the LOP for the trigger made her hold it lower.
@@thetexasgunvault Ultimately, the gun choice is hers. My wife has personally chosen every firearm she owns. I'd never try to convince someone to like something that they obviously don't, but poor technique is never an excuse.
Siempre es importante el análisis profesional. Esta pistola podría haber sido la pistola más precisa del mercado. Simplemente habría que agregarle una pequeña solista al final del cañón hasta la mira trasera y poner la misma encima de la mencionada solista, de tal forma que las miras queden fijas sobre el cañón. Habría que ponerle un cañón poligonal y además fundamental un extractor de uña. Sin dudas se podría haber perfeccionado facilmente el notable diseño del cañón basculante y hacer una perfección. Se entiende que los maravillosos armeros de Beretta no fueron apoyados lo suficiente por los Ingenieros, sino ya la tendríamos disponible. La otra modificación debe de venir sobre el caliblre 380 que tiene que pasar a 9x18 de origen Alemán y perfeccionar las cargas, para obtener un proyectil ideal en cuanto a presión, retroceso y puesta a punto en armas de bolsillo para el SXXI.-
Thank you for posting this in Spanish and English.
Good morning, Jason, looks like a reasonably good quality copy of the Beretta. The tip up barrel as you pointed out is fairly common in the Beretta pocket pistol family. A mate had a 22rf version for many years. Does Girsan make a 1911 copy???
I believe they do.
Another feature of tip up design and DA/SA you can have a round in the chamber and never have the hammer back until you wish to fire, in some its a decocker that can not fail.
That is a good point.
Man that's really unfortunate they design it to be a pain to clean. How exactly are you supposed to lube the rails If you have to take a pin out of the barrel every time?
Yeah, I completely agree. I know most won't clean it that deep, but I know many people would.
I love the 80 series
They are all pretty nice.
Kinda hoping it would be a little smaller, I know being silly but at that size and cost I'm on the fence. That not being able to filled strip it makes me kinda grumpy. I feel like this isn't bad but the not sure if it truly finds it's mark. Like they said it's a good gun for home defense and carry for people with weak hands. I just don't know how true that it. Watching you're video and others I need to get my hands on one. Because I think I'd be more for a tomcat.
I think that is a fair comparison.
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Ok, the Girsan is kinda cool too!
Yeah, his stuff is amazing!
The Beretta 86 did not have a Picatinny rail. Thanks for the review. Good information.
You are very welcome.
I would love to see and handle one of the original model 86 Berretta's too. They are the rarest of All the series 80 pistols. The original model 86 Tilt barrel 380's from Berretta were single stack 8 round and came with 2 mags a brush. manual and plastic case. I have seen pictures and listings as high as $1599.00 for an original 86 here in Missouri. Unfortunately the closest thing to the Girsan MC14T I could find, is the new 13 round Non Tilt up barrel , Berretta Cheetah for $769.00 I bought the tilt up barrel Girsan MC14T in FDE for half of that. The lanyard loop sold me ! 😆🤠 Never know when I may have to go jump on a horse and go shooting. As you said, I think Girsan really tries to make their new reproduction guns as close to exact duplicate of the original as possible. Girsan and Tisas (both Turkish gun makers) are similar in making almost exact copies of the old original all metal guns from yesteryear for usually half the cost. The Tisas 1911A1 Army model is so close to an exact WWII pistol its crazy. BTW, I saw another U tubers Girsan MC14T shooting video where he showed the Berretta 13 round mags fit and function perfect in these Girsan MC14T's. Girsan has the mags on backorder and the gun only ships with 1 mag! I ordered 3 extra Berretta 80X mags with mine for under $30.00 ea. (Both are made by Mec Gar) I am not a fan of Turkey at all myself, but this pistol had so many special things going for it I had to get one. Its either that or spend $800.00 for a Beretta Cheetah which is not a Tilt up barrel and not as interesting to me. Its my 1st DA/SA pistol so If I get used to the manual of arms I may get a Berretta 92 someday. Thanks for your video review and shooting video that helped me make up my mind to order one.
I am so glad I helped and I think you are really going to like this pistol.
I like Girsan guns and have several of their shotguns, along with several of their pistols. That said, they need to figure out how to make better extractors. I had occasional FTE issues in both of my Girsan Regard pistols, changed them out for Beretta extractors and the problems went away. Also had the chambers of my shotguns polished so the shells would eject. Good quality guns, just need a little tinkering sometimes.
I completely agree.
I will say the rack the slide is hard. So yeah, definitely want to have that tip up barrel.
It is a cool feature and I wish Beretta would put it on their current 80 series.
Can u feed it Underwood +p and Buffalo Bore ammo?
I believe so, but I did not test that ammo in this review.
18:33 I really want to like this gun, but have seen too many failures with different ammo in several different videos. Think I’ll wait till a Gen 2 comes out.
I hope they come out with one.
There is a distinct size difference between this and the 80X. Side by side the Girsan is noticeably larger. I’m also weary of the lack of extractor and all the reports of feed issues.
Good information. Thank you so much.
"IF" you have to get to the internals of the gun then bench work disassembly is not a big deal to me, in fact I expect it.
And getting a brand new practically identical clone (in form/function) to a Berretta for half the price of a used one is a no brainer.
You make good points.
I know I've already talked about it I kinda do want 1 or something a little better like this but fixed.
Me too.
thats is the best way to load and un load a bullet without racking the slide..only downside is it is good only on small caliber pistols..
I agree 100%.
It is a clone of the Beretta 86 that was discontinued a few years ago.
Yes it is.
It’s more a copy of the Beretta 86. Thanks for the vid!
You are very welcome.
Not too bad...but a NO GO for me... =) Thanks for the review
Thank you so much and thank you for watching! It is an interesting pistol.
What’s arm manufacture made Girsan ?
I think they uses to be called Tisas.
@@thetexasgunvault Two different companies.
Taurus have the PT59
I would like to try that one out too.
If a round is unfired it’s a failure to feed. If it’s fired it’s failure to extract.
Sorry if I misspoke. I do that from time to time.
its big problem no decocker for a fast reload if you carry it for self defence not good home defence its a coin toss but its the only thing when there hand strengh issues better than nothing
Good point
Just let the hammer down , Ha !
People in the USA believe no one knows how to do or can do good things. Turkey as a lot of tradition related to firearms, it we add that it belongs to NATO that is more than enough to know that these products are approved and homologated at the level oh Germany or Italy. They are reliable and of very good quality. Remember. AK-47 are russian, Porsche, Mercedes-Benz, BMW & Audi they are german, Glock austrian and pandas chinese.
Very good points.
It’s actually a copy of a Beretta 86!
So I have heard.
Barrel looks longer than the Tomcat barrel.
It is. It is much longer.
I think I’ll just keep my Bersa
Nothing wrong with that.
😀😀
Thank you!
Likem
Thank you.
Hi - the •not• made in America was the redline for me. Turkey isn’t even an ally.
I totally get that point of view.
They are making a small 380 for women. It’s a ladies model
Not all 380s are intended for women.
Chek out beretta 86 tip.top.barrel
That is a great pistol too for sure.
@@thetexasgunvault Girsan made a copy