Testing the NEW Civic Type R - Hondata Fuel System
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- Опубликовано: 31 окт 2020
- Today we're testing the Hondata Fuel System on the Honda Civic Type R with Flex Fuel.
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Love your videos bro. You are a great example to the CTR community!!
Glad your car is running fine again, it’s such a gut wrenching feeling when your car starts to act weird and not normal. Power I’d say maybe 370/380? Can’t wait to start my channel soon for my ST. Awesome content brother.
Love the videos! I’m so excited I just picked up a 19 type r and I’m sooo excited for this bad girl to run
Hope you enjoy it man!
Thanks for creating such great content and thanks for those helpful links. Keep em coming
Must definitely man, it's my pleasure
The BOOST~BY~GEAR Traction Control Feature will help out a ton... HOPEFULLY all is good with the TUNE and that TYPE R runs at least 4.X's 0-60...
Totally agree
Nice insite to the gapping with the new system and plugs . The car is coming along nice as mine is still almost standard.
Guns and cars. I envy your life. Great job 👏🏻
Pretty good information to note!! Ty
It's my pleasure man
Pepo Besosa is a freaking magician with this cars. Let me share my story real quick I have a full bolt on civic type r and installed a prl flex fuel kit currently on stock fuel system. Uploaded hondata basemap running e20 my car felt amazing, I decided to get a data log to ensure everything was actually right I found out that as soon I went WOT the fuel pump was maxing out and there was some knock. I immediately contacted redstarmotoring and let me tell you my car has never felt this strong and now running e25 with no issues what so ever. Your car is definitely on the best hands that it can be.
Love the vids ! Love the channel. But thats why I went for the STI. The AWD traction puts power down like crazy. Too much power on the R you are struggling to get grip..
Nice build brotha
I had the same issue on my 10th gen Si... I went from a prl street maf to a race maf and a prl catted to catless downpipe and saw a worst time when I ran my dragy... my car was losing traction when boost kicked in alot easier with the upgraded mod... the time difference were a consistent 14.0 on 1/4 mile to a 14.5 consistently after my upgrade... and you should try out the paid hondata app where you can time your car on the app... shows you the same times like the dragy and it estimates hp as well which was pretty close to what my car had dyno...
I LOVE nice cars, but I also live having a clunker so I don't have to worry if it breaks or gets torn up! Someday I'll be rich 😜
I’m going to be building my k20c1 with JE ultra pistons and initially Saenz 800 hp tri beam rods but switching to Weisco Boostline rods. A spare head is being ported by Tom @ Portflow in Harbor City Southern California with full Ferrea valve train rn. I’m waiting for Hondata to finish r&d with Extreme di mechanical hp fuel pump and add support for it to Hondata Flashpro. I too am waiting for the PRL P600 drop in turbo.
Holy shit I only have a intercooler and flex fuel kit. I wish I could get my head redone for the extra rpm. Maybe in the future once the platform is more affordable
Have 4piston do a 2.2L stroker. Best in the business
I’m moving to motec but the Hondata transaction control is amazing as long as you’re wide with good tires you’ll be fine. I am 20x10 on mine and it has great traction on my TOYOs
Good choice!
Hey bud. Good to see you doing well, you can run full e85 I do at 25PSI make sure to use Hondata traction control.
Tell me what u mean by this ?
@@davidayuso2815 if you are running higher power on a tune you’ll want to use traction control from Hondata not the factory traction control that just kills power from a traction loss.
I had a sc 2010 si with full bolt one's running 10 psi.. Great car .
Built it up the day I got it new ..
I put in a 2'' phelonic spacer to keep engine heat off the blower , an rdx throttle then a aftercooler and walboro fuel pump with id750 injectors .. Also put a cooling jacket on the supercharger after I sent it out for a small pully and porting .. Deleted all the EPA crap and bypassed the coolant at intake and throttle body , put a larger crank pully as well .. Straight piped , no cat but hondata made it able to pass smog lol.. Also changed the cmc out to a older em1 civic cmc so it wouldn't rev hang nor grind second gear ..
Red line trans fluid .. It was a blast .. Even kept the stock clutch bc it was holding fine
Don't ever test out new engine mods without tuning first .. Your going to ruin that nice car .. Your making major changes to the fuel system so it could run lean or knock like crazy and without staring at live fp data you would never know ..
Your fuel mixture and knock count is the main thing a owner should really watch constantly ..
I re pinned the ecu to give me the afr right in front of me on a aem Gage and also re pinned the ecu to give me knock counts for every cyl .
That's all the really important info you need at all times .
You want 0 knock counts . and I believe an afr of 11 if I member right bc of the boost we run it ritch to make sure the car is safe and I can beat on it every day without fear of any damage occurring ..
I didn't know a lot about the tuning but was told by tuner that afr and knock counts are the most important for me to keep an eye on .. ..
Plz get some gauges so you can see 24/7 that it's running right ..
I've seen the stupid failures . One young man went on a 30 min drive with a boost kit just installed .. No tuning and he kept trying wide open throttle. His knock counts were in the thousands !
It blew b4 he got it tuned..
You need to take baby steps when installing new engine parts .. If you don't ,,, well kaboom...
Very brave not getting a proper tune on there before giving it some big sends after putting a huge fuel upgrade system on there, hope it’s nothing big for you fella!
Looking forward to seeing the next vids with this all set up 👌👍😎
Probably pushing close to 400hp! Keep up the content! I cant wait to see your impressions with the new tune and seeing the boost by gear tweaked for better traction!
I can't wait to see either man
Fbo with flex kits puts u over 400 lmao
@@davidayuso2815 Depending on the mods you go with you can get close to 400hp.. with e85.. If you have 100 octane or higher.. Yes you can make over 400hp.. The stock fuel pump is at 100% duty cycle at this point.. If you upgrade the fuel system and go past 400hp stock clutch starts to go out.. Then if you want more power than 420.. You gotta upgrade the turbo.. $5k-$6k right there
@@EvilStreetShark clutch does not go out after 400 lmao not even at 500😭
@@EvilStreetShark with fuel system and hbo you can be mid 450 range
Great video, I have a hybrid turbo on my fk8 running 430bhp..and the first 3 gears are nothing but wheel spin.. looking back, I wouldn’t have modded so much.
Thanks for sharing that man
Could you not get a custom tune with boost by gear so gears 1-3 run less boost/power providing better traction?
@@raulvasquez807 what turbo? I have the rs450 from rampage fabrication
@@johncortez277 i was commenting on earth dreams uks comment. he said he has a hybrid turbo.
@@raulvasquez807 my bad
I bought the full 4p race crate engine swapping and adding all the upgrades from them.
Nice!
LoCash Racing is close to you. They can tune it for optimal performance across the spectrum. Good guy and honest.
Depending on e% from your local pumps like e85 maxes at 83% here. I range 73-83 and whp 410-430 wtq 430-450
That’s on 25PSI dyno tuned. Feels like a complete different car when you get your tune and Hondata traction control on. I plan to be the 1st R to 1000HP even if it’s not a good driving experience I can turn it down to the optimal experience for daily and street. At worst durability and longevity just lots of $ I’m going all in.
This was a cool video
Hey man, I know this video is a bit old so you may not see this. however, wanted to say that I miss your videos. Hope you and your cars are doing well. Both cars are awesome and can't wait for more videos!
check for a hairline crack on the porcelain. I had that happen, car ran like crap. The crack was almost invisible gotta look real close. Awesome videos!
Need more civic videos. New tune and or dyno would be nice.
Awesome video bro I was waiting to see your experience on the hondata fuel system with ethanol. I currently have the same set up with a custom tune. I probably have one of the best tuners in Southern California just saying lol Had to give him some credit. his name is Eric from Eric‘s Racing. He works directly with hondata To tune my car I am currently pushing for 450HP 480TQ to the Wheels.
That's badass man! What kind of power are you getting on 91 octane? Also what percentage of ethanol?
I am currently running E50 bro 50-50 mix. On my 91 custom tune I’m at 375HP and 385TQ. I forgot to mention I had to switch my clutch to a clutch master FX 400. The stock clutch did not want to take the power. I highly recommend if you’re ever in town or look him up Eric‘s racing in Baldwin Park California.
Daniel butler is better
The tune you had prior for your original setup for wide open throttle operation is probably on the richer side now without a dyno calibration.
Although the hondata Is calibrated for the larger injectors/pump which allows you to start the car and drive it under idle and cruise conditions the increased fuel flow especially with the ethanol likely has your car running richer which is usually quieter the smooth sounding from the excess fuel, you noticed vs the crisp wide open throttle leaner sound you are used to.
The richer mixture can cause misfires and blow out the spark, the smaller gap is to mitigate this, as boost/power levels increase the gap is reduced to maintain spark in the higher density air charge.
I would not perform any wide open throttle testing until it was calibrated with the new fuel setup.
Also you will spin more with the added power but it's not a problem you can pull power out with boost by gear if you have that setup and your 0-60 time will get faster its really almost separate from dyno tuning.
Totally agree, I'll get it re-tuned shortly
It’s amazing how difficult it is to work on new cars 🚗 but I suppose that’s kinda of the idea by the manufacturer and dealer. Watching you have to remove the cover and packs makes me glad all I have to do on my 68 is just remove a plug wire! 😂. Can’t wait to see what you get done with that camaro.
Man everyone felt like goin to mexico that day huh? 😂
I’m upgrading to the 4P 2.1L full race engine build.
Hey man, with this fuel kit, you see any changes with your mpg on a regular driving basis?
I can't tell yet, I'll make sure to mention it once the car is tuned
How much total did you spend on all the parts you have on the civic type r? I wanna know so i can save up to build me one.
10:12 the lady is really diggin in
Getting that gold nugget out
I have one of those socks with magnets on it so it def hold the plug
I have almost the same mods except i have stock fuel system and red star tuned me at e25 and im at a little over 400hp
Yoo nice to see ur a car guy too. Nice type R. That car is super fast around a circuit track. Broke records at Nurburg ring. I drive a g37 w a few mods sitting on rpf1 wheels. Main reason i got a glock was to mod it lol us car guys mod everything
I’m fbo, prl hvi, prl intercooler, prl dp, prl fp, prl flex fuel,ti resonated exhaust from rampage fabrication, ti turbo inlet from rampage fabrication, drop in turbo rs450 from rampage fabrication. Hondata fuel system and hondata flash pro. I hope everything works out for your fk8. I’ve been remote tuned, I’m guessing I’m around 425whp-430whp.
I’m running e30
Who is your tuner?
@@joeautomotive8582 rampage fabrication and design did my build.
When you planning to tune it ?
Hey man, what county are you in in AZ. The roads in some of your videos look super familiar and I go shooting in the desert somewhat close if that’s where I’m thinking it is.
E ranges like 51-83 depending on area and season.
Car sounds so gooooooooood
Thank you so much man
@@TORQToolbox no problem you inspired me on your gun channel have a few , bought a 2020 so then saw this channel I was like.. DOPE best of both worlds!
I used to have a Honda Civic sport and I took my door panels off and ever since I put the panels back on I would here a clicking 24/7 while driving the car. Part of it could have been since I had an aftermarket exhaust
Each time a spark plug fires a little piece on both ends vaporizes. If you pull plugs out of an engine with 100,000 miles on them you can see how much of the material is gone especially next to a new plug. For higher compression ratios the gap has to be smaller because the spark may not jump the gap at a wider gap. Under boost compression is significantly increased over natural atmospheric pressure. Basically you compressed the air and fuel with the turbo and then the combustion chamber compresses it even further. I'm sure the hondata system increases boost or brings it lower into the rev range which is why it's a requirement to shorten the spark plug gap.
The new cars are difficult but type are is clean when built in my opinion
What’s an egnine?
You should 245 35 20
Pelli tire on the OEM wheel
Alright so this time I won't push it as mu--RED LINE 1-2-3
Also same, love the redline on the type r
lol that's so true man
17:50 lol We've all said that
there is definitely performance being lost in those tires, as good as they are on the street. They still won't hold anywhere near as much as a Toyo r888 - R1R , Kumho Ecsta V700, Bridgestone RE-71R, Yokohama AO52
Do you not plan on racing it? For the street you already have more power than you need. On large tracks you can definitely use 500+ hp.
You just need to get your traction control set on and tuned.
Agreed
youre not wrong about breaking them but i always tap them on wood never had one break lol
And you're still on the stock clutch?
Yessir
Just an observation based on experience. Going from a .032 plug gap to a .020 gap in your situation seems extreme and unnecessary. Do you want to reduce the gap? YES. But, going straight to a .012 reduction at this power level seems extreme. Perhaps if you're getting a street-re-tune, when you're not in the shop, they are simply going 100% straight to what will work for anything instead of stepping the gap down .004 at a time until any misfires stop. I say this because a .020 gap is what we use on a 600+ HP K20/K24 builds. My mechanic uses a .017 gap on a 1000 HP K20 powered Acura, but that is a full drag race car. Until you do a big turbo mod on your car and move over the 500 HP mark, you should be able to use something more reasonable.
Whether we use the Hondata Fuel System or the XtremeDI fuel pump, and can now provide the car and a skilled tuner with all the fuel they need, the factory turbo is still not going to be able to safely provide more than 400 - 410 HP on pump 93-octane, which we have in my area. That is only in the hands of a skilled tuner and is going to involve the tiny bit more boost the factory turbo can safely provide, additional timing, etc. This is never going to be a super high boost/high HP system on a stock bottom-end, stock turbo, daily driver level. At that power level, I cannot imagine something more conservative, such as going to .028, preventing any misfires. If not, I'd go to .024 and try it before going to .020. As long as you aren't misfiring, the larger the plug gap the better, especially for a daily driver where normal idle, drivability and reasonable fuel economy are desirable.
I certainly do not know everything on the topic and if any tuners out there would like to chip in based on their experience, I welcome it. The more information we all have, the better.
Already back to correct myself. I don't know why they didn't respond here, but some of my more experienced associates have provided real world experience that demonstrates the limits of my experience. My comments above are wrong and here's why.
First, running just one of the Hondata canned tunes, gapping the plugs from the factory spec .032 down to .020 has resulted in absurd increases in HP. One tuner says he's seen a 30 HP increase at the top and a smoother power curve with no other change. I would never have imagined such an increase in top-end burn efficiency at such a low power level. Clearly, I stand corrected.
They also said that with the XDI fuel pump and using 93-octane, closer to 440 HP is possible with the stock turbo. Again, I stand corrected. I'm 0 for 2...damn.
They did confirm the possibility of slightly less fuel economy around town and cruising on the highway, but said it was perhaps 1 mpg difference. A worthy sacrifice for that kind of free horsepower! I've already ordered a new set of plugs and the gapper tool (had the feeler gauge already). Thank you for taking me down this path of learning!
Does anyone know how much a tune cost?
Typically $300-$500 depending on who's tuning it
You will be over 400 with E85 dual tune.
You going to dyno this rig or what?
mmm bolt on's and fuel kit ..470 hp with all that spinning I say maybe around 500 in torque
What does this do??
Lowest octane rating for the car is 60, reason you broke something is cause your running 50
Now I'm commenting before you got home but it sounds like you fouled a plug
Yup exactly
@@TORQToolbox yeah as soon as you said it was throwing a code for #4 cylinder misfire I knew that's what it had to be especially since you hadn't retuned it yet. That Type R is coming along very nicely though and I can't wait to see the content on the ZL1 since that's more my style
Clutch seems like it’s slipping
0-60 is sooooo important...
It's pretty much the times you can test without a track.
is this tj hunts dad
Did you get locked up? What happened to you? Trade the car for a prius?
Buddy you are no doubt my favorite you tuber but, you need to work on your shifting sounds like you was red lining it several times.
If you don't bang it off red line and shift earlier the car loses power... at least thats what I've experienced.
I was man, the car revved much faster with the new mods
Love you're content keep up the awesome work
Didn't mean to sound negative I really love all your vlogs 💓
Dude said a bent rod 😂 what a 🤡
Poor baby. Is Sick
Second here
Your car is not ment to be a dragster... if anything a roll racer, or track star.
Get a better tuner
You definitely have no Idea what you are talking about
@@joeautomotive8582 literally installs new fuel system then tune shits the bed
@@Virt7_ the cars was tuned on 91 octane by redstar he installs the flex kitthe hondata fuel system puts 25% ethanol and tunes the same 91 oct tune. How is a new tuner needed? He has not been tuned to run ethanol yet.
@@joeautomotive8582 then that’s his fault
@@Virt7_ exactly the tuner doesn’t have anything to do. Now he mentioned at the beginning of the video
I really feel like you are experiencing 'the law of diminishing returns'...you keep dumping more and more money into the car for better performance, and you get nothing or very very little in terms of improved performance. You will dump several thousand dollars more and you will still keep getting the same 0-60 times or worse times than stock as proven by this video... You have to realize at some point you have a 4 cylinder 2.0 turbo and you'll never get the numbers of a V6 or V8 no matter how much money you put into it. What a waste of money and time!
How is it diminishing returns in with a totally new fuel system and different fuel when it is not tuned for it? Car is tuned on 91 no flex fuel tuned boost by gear with the previous power not the new power he is making? You can come back with that same law of your when he tunes the car again and keep putting bad numbers until then you are just a hater.
Kids don't do this at home and listen to this guy the worst ever and doesn't know wtf he's doing lol you've to be kidding me click bait
You say literally FAR too often and you don't even use the word properly. It's quite annoying.