!0000K in 6 months on my 114 tirglyde...NOT ONE problem..and I ride hard..it pulls like a saturn rocket .. I LOVE this freaking bike...66 yrs old..50 yrs riding experience on all kinds of bikes
I have a 2019 M8 117ci., during a test ride. I noticed a bike ran smoother, cooler and had more power. A big improvement over the twin cam. I am impressed.
The funnest part of riding this bike is the sound it makes when you twist the throttle. It leaves me with permagrin for about an hour after I get off. It’s an addiction.
I started riding H-D’s as a teen on a ‘72 XLCH and I have to say they’ve really come a long way. This new M8 is my favorite engine by far. No more crank issues and the few issues they had with the engine thanks to the EPA have been addressed. I put over 100k on my TC96 before trading it in and am expecting this M8 to go just as far before a rebuild. We will see.
I agree with that. My brother has a 1976 FXE. That bike will shake you apart. The AMF bikes had a deserved bad reputation. It leaks a lot of oil, shakes like a paint shaker, has a lot of little problems. But it sounds very unique and you just don’t see them around anymore. It’s kinda like a new Challenger vs a 1970. The old one may be worse in some ways but it has a lot of character
I just come back home from a trip to Colorado. I rented a a FLHTCU with a 107 m8. Loved it. It did everything I expected and more, got 48.9 mpg. Transmission made more noise than I thought it should make. Lot of gear whining. Overall l want one
@Brad Brad I know women that ride everything from sporsters to full blown S&S 120" road glides... Some can kick your ass... And I have owned Triumphs, Hondas, a Ariel Sq 4, a 883, a knuckle, a pan, 2 FX's and a FLR.. Now a FLHP... Nothing wrong with a 883 for short rides.. And can make a base for one of the finest custom chopped bobs you can build...
The m8 114 has a serious issue with the valves leaking. Oil goes into top of pistons and glazed bores at only 100 miles!! Beware of blue smoke on cold start! That’s the first sign
Awesome vid, thanks! I traded my 08 kick-ass blacked out springer with 16" apes which I still love btw, for a 19 Ultra Limited (YES, I'm getting old) and it was the best thing I ever did, no regrets. I cruise at 80, tunes cranking and hear them perfectly with extreme comfort and enough power to twist it and pass whoever I need to. I looked at Indian, BMW, etc. but just love the style of a HD better...
I like how Harley eliminated all vibration. I used to own old Harley's and from my expirence those bikes were wrenched on alot due to over excessive vibration
That's a signature Harley thing. Want a baby smooth bike then ride a honda. I'd rather feel the roughness of an old Harley then any of the new ones. Harkey has lost so many customers with their new bikes and the way they look. Look at the new bobber. Queerest looking bike they make it's not a bobber anymore. Glad I got my 17 dyna before they stopped.
@@drearaujoa6 I'm not going to lie I love my 17 fxdb but I like my old wide glide just as much. If I was do raise hell I go with my new dyna but if I'm cruising I like my wg. Far as fuel injection I do like it because I can tune it however I want with my laptop and power vision much easier then tuning for power with carbs. My 17 is higher maintenance then the wg though
@@wyattsmith9791 you guys are holding Harley back. I'm glad Harley has started making bikes for the modern rider. All you old heads are going to die soon and you just can't help but bring Harley to the grave with you. Harleys new bikes are better in every way from engineering to looks. Now with the sportster s, the nightster and the Pan American we finally see Harley making brand new modern motorcycles that are actually able to compete and beat Japanese bikes. Soon its going to be all new generations of Harley fans that actually appreciate the engineering that Harley puts into their new bikes instead of crying because Harley uses more reliable and better performing technology.
I just rode a 2016 dyna twin cam 103 with a stage 1 yesterday, followed by a 2018 slim, M8 107 with slip ons, and the power difference between those two bikes back to back was 🤯💥🇺🇸 drastic comes to mind. The entire ride quality, handling, feel, shifting, literally everything about the M8 slim was far superior to the twin cam dyna. I say that but I still wanted the dyna more! Go figure? It rumbled and shook, and sounded like an angry beast and I loved it!! Then I rode a ‘21 FXLRS with the 114, stock, left over from last year and I bought it!! Amazing bike in every way. IMO whatever that’s worth?
Thanks a lot for this nice video! I just bought a 2019 road glide 107ci and its a huge improvement over the 103ci Ultra Limited I had before. One thing you didn’t mention in your video is the primary drive on the M8 is much smoother than the twin cam bikes especially at low speed in second gear. It also seems like the primary chain case is narrower on the M8 than the twin cam but that might be my imagination. I’ve been riding 25 years, all kinds of bikes...Honda, Triumph, Yamaha, Harley...I’m very happy with my new M8.
I have a 2018 SE CVO using about 1 qt of oil every 5,000 miles. Factory said it's normal. Never had a HD using oil. Thing about applying the lemon law.
The last bike I had was an ‘89 Yamaha VMax I sold in 96 or so. I moved to Florida and decided to get back into riding again. I’ve always wanted a Harley and have ridden a few of my friends and family members’ throughout the years and liked them. I bought an Iron 883 in January and three weeks later, I traded it for a Low Rider. One thing I noticed immediately was the lack of vibration relatively speaking and a nice amount of torque all the way through the power band. I’m really happy with it and have enjoyed having any excuse to ride it.
Awesome and well worded video . My 2018 FXLR Low Rider is the best I’ve ever had . ( I’ve owned 13 H-D’s in 43 years ; oldest was a 53’ FL panhead ) I do believe this is Milwaukee’s best effort - with only (2) complaints . 1.) I don’t agree with the placement of the factory installed oil cooler . This was a great addition to the engine , however it totally blocks the “ clean air “ to the front cylinder . I do believe that , like some aftermarket oil coolers on the market , it could have been catching its own clean air off to the left of the frame’s front down tube . This would have allowed the front cylinder to continue to receive its clean air as it always has . 2.) the brakes , although “ better “ , are very inconsistently set up . I have spoken to many a riders of this new softail . They ALL agree that the front brakes are too sensitive , and most men agree that two fingers is the safer and more common way that they apply them . The rear brakes require that you use unnecessary application from your right boot to get the bike to slow / stop . When speaking to my trusted dealership that I have frequented since 1988 ; they explained that the “ engineering department “ at H-D did this intentionally to encourage the use of “ more front brake “ . I shook my head and wondered why they couldn’t let the novice rider learn to ride and not dumb down the pressure required for the rest of us . Also I would have liked to hear more about the M-8’s compression release described and perhaps seen the inside parts and how it works in this very informative video . Thanks for this job well done .
Been riding Harleys since 1972. In the old days we didn’t buy bikes, we built them. Brought home my first Panhead in boxes. Had sportsters, pans, shovels, and twin cam. Just bought 2020 Breakout in Stiletto red. Best bike I’ve ever owned, blows all the others away. Most problems with engines can be traced back to the loose nuts behind the handlebars!
Traded in my 06 Fat boy and 15 Street Glide Special on 19 Tri Glide 114 cc. The reduction in heat is the best. More torque and power. HD did their home work. This Milwaukee 8 is the best yet. Continually surprise the cagers at how quick I leave the light. Takes a little time to get use to the trike after 49 years on two wheels. Never took to my 08 Electra Glide Ultra. Couldn't get past the heat and the height center of gravity with a rider and the tour pack loaded.
Just traded my 2000 Road King on a Softtail Slim, Been riding Road Kings and "King of the highway ( shovel road king predecessor) forever I need a lighter and lower bike 5'5" 67 yrs, love it a million
Absolutely love my '19 Heritage 107. Dealer wanted it back, marketing ploy- IDK. I responded what, why? I absolutely love this bike - NO... Not a word since. I've owned many and rode many, but of all I absolutely love this bike...
I gotta compliment you on reading the spec sheet accurately, but nearly every reviewer talks about the increase in HP and torque at RPM. Just talking numbers doesn't tell the story of the M8 performance. What makes the M8 impressive is the fact that it achieves approx. 90% torque output at 2100 RPM, and sustains that level past 4000 RPM. The torque curve on this motor is high and flat, check out a dyno run chart, not just the numbers.
My stock 2019 107 roadking STANDARD is a torque monster with 35 yrs.of riding everything with 2 wheels it is smooth.(I had other enthusiasts walk up to my bike and place their hands next to my cylinders ,,after 150 mile ride and say how cool my motor was,,,they knew more about my engine than eye did ,,,until now ,,,after watching your content.thanks !!!--Happy Trails ya,ll-!!!☆☆☆
Nine yrs ago I bought my first harley a 13 hertiage which I still have just flipped to 100000 and still going but a year ago bought a 18 ultra and OMG I love the bike I tell people it's my quiet bike and the hertiage is my loud one
Bought the M8 lowrider. changed the stock seat because it's crap,put on V&H slipons. sounds great,drives good,rear brake isn't up to much.very happy with it other than that.
I too bought a 2018 FXLR I am very happy . My two main complaints - The crap seat - as there is no padding for a passenger ! And VERY sensitive front brakes , which I’m getting used to - but seem to have to work “ too hard “ to apply rear brakes ! You and I agree on these , so thanks for saying so , as I now don’t feel alone on this ... Later Ride safe
Just got a 2017 FLHP after riding a 2001 FXDXT for many years and I can say the 107ci is heads and shoulders above the old Cam 88... I gave my FXDXT to my son and he's rebuilding it to his liking down in Tx and hoping to meet up with him half way on the way to Sturgis next year,,,
Dual spark plugs and four valves per cylinder which have been used on metric bikes for 25 years now. Everyone is raving about this engine but it’s old news to many of us.
It took a little time for me to adjust to this motor, but it’s like I like it more and more every time I ride it. I went from 2015 SGS (103ci) to a 2017 Road King Special 107ci , and I love it.
Sounds like with the new oil cooled heads, this new design for them might be the primary cause for oil sumping which is an issue the can't seem to correct with what now, 8 new/replacement oil pumps?
So...10% more torque from a 4% bigger engine? Eh...not to excited about that. But I do like that they have finally gotten on board with cooling and the 4 valve 2 spark plug heads...my 00 vulcan has those and it makes a big difference.
I love mine it is way better than the twin cam on back. I still own a EVO but this bike will run circles around it, best Harley I have ever owned out of several from Panhead on. I have a 2017 Ultra Limited
At time 4:08 he said Harley was asking people what they wanted to see in a new engine, wow! that's is easy . An engine that doesn't need fixing after buying it or a warranty that covers it not ... pay us and will fix it.
If you own a M8 like my 2018 Fatbob, 2017 and 2019 CVOs don't waste money on Harley stage kits. The engine will blow up due to oil pump design flaws and/or plastic tappet guides. Yeah and $50k motorcycle with plastic tappet guides. Neither the dealer who installs it or H corp office will disclose this. S&S, Fueling or Zipper all make higher quality performance kits.
Softails have dual counterbalancers, that’s why they are a little down on power compared to the touring bikes. The 114 in the tour bikes puts out 122 ft lb of torque vs 119 ft lb in the Softail, the 107’s are the same way.
As much as I love Harley, they are still struggling to catch up with the Japanese power cruisers from a decade ago power wise. The Suzuki M109R lays down 118lbft @ 3200rpm and 128hp @ 6200 rpm and weighed under 700lbs. The Honda VTX 1800 made 120lbft and 106hp, but it weighed almost 100lbs more. Granted, both were water cooled, but these are numbers from 2005-2006...
@@Peter-976 not necessarily. I had 2.5" Hard Krome pipes on my Suzuki C50 when I worked for Daytona H-D and was frequently asked about them because guys wanted their Softails to sound like it. Sure, it didn't have the signature sound of an Evo, but it didn't sound bad at all.
You could take it that way. To a lot of people my Suzuki sounded better than their Twin Cams, and Twin Cams sound better than M8s. None of them sound better than an Evo though. So Evo > Suzuki > Twinkie > M8
Still surprised by all the Harley hate. I've had Suzuki, Yamaha, Honda all were good. Kids bought me a 2018 low rider. Comparing air cooled to air cooled harley is just as quick if not quicker Definitely easier to hop up. I prefer the Harley. The others never brought 50 mpg plus. Just like politics, no one can just leave people alone .
Do a video on the Street lineup or the Revolution X engine, the Street Rod is probably the only note worthy bike out of the lineup with a dual throttle body, hemi piston heads, upgraded fuel injectors and upgraded cams. The revolution x engine in the street Rod is also liquid cooled, and no counter balancers, so you can redline at 9000 RPM and feel every bit of it, in my opinion, it’s an absolutely amazing bike, only 750 CC 64 cubic in, but stock it has 18% more hp and 8% torque over the normal 750 cc revolution x engine that’s in the Street 750. I ran a low 13 sec 1/4 mile on it with pump gas and stock muffler and air intake, yes I said low 13 STOCK, my buddy has a S&S 114 cubic in engine in his road king and he runs 11s
It's amazing Harley spent all this money into r&d (at least what they claim as an excuse for their prices) but yet the m8 has all kinds of problems. They just came out with an improved oil filter as well as a vented oil tank cap by fueling because their umbrella valves suck.
So are the heads on the 117 water or oil cooled , ive researched this over and over and half the time they say the heads are water cooled and that radiator inbetween the frame holds water ??????
I don’t know if I should get the new softtail low rider with the M8 it’s scaring me a little because it’s still new and everyone I talk to they say they got a lot of issues with them. I’m looking at 2019 low rider got 2 miles on it the dealer is asking 16,400
I bought a 2018 Ultra Limited 107 earlier this year after about 500 miles a defect in the case showed its ugly head oil started weeping out of the side of the casing. Dealer has it now for two weeks till they send a new case and they rebuild the motor. The whole thing is warranted but what the hell brand new bike. I was loving the bike yes less heat nice ride but now I’m not to happy.
John Hoffman Problems just happen sometimes, when I built my sportster flat track bike I cracked a cylinder liner from top to bottom on the very first run on the track, and these were brand new iron lined cylinders.
Yes I know this isn’t anyone’s fault I don’t think Harley does their own castings so no quality control but with all the oiling problems the M8 has had it’s kind of ironic that this maybe the reason there is oil transfer internally.
How are they for reliability? Seems like finned valve covers would take some heat. Separate high volume jets of oil sprayed to piston pin area helps to transfer heat to oil cooler radiator. Top quality gaskets are essential to survive heat cooling cycles. Uneven heat dissipation stresses mating surfaces. Keeping rear cylinder exhaust valves cool is always a challenge. Exposed to white hot heat for hours on end that heat has to be removed or engine melting becomes a clear danger. Air cooled engines don’t like to idle in bumper to bumper traffic in desert heat they need air flow so a separate fan would be needed in this application. More oil and efficient cooling radiator is the way to go. Two systems, lubrication, cooling makes for a happy motor. Proper octane fuels help to deliver power not just heat. The more horses neath you the more heat as well. Low stress engines last longer. Two hundred degree engines are happy. 😄Five hundred degree engines say I’m out of here dude!🥵
I have seen evidence of the M8 heads made cheap by some foreign manufacturer. The machine work is not the greatest and the heads look like Kawasaki may be the ones making the heads. I watched a noted machinist rebuild a set of M8 heads that had less then ten thousand miles. Valve seats were poor quality and the ports were really rough. I ride a 2010 Heritage and will stick with it. I believe the best engine HD ever made but did not have the power the new ones have is the Evo
I know it's been 4 years, but the combustion chamber design is called Pentroof, vs the previous HEMI design. Basically every car in existence today uses Pentroof because it's cheap and easy to make them have more than 2 valves per combustion chamber. HEMI heads are harder to make and basically impossible to run 4 valves per head. Although, I would argue that 4 valves is a waste, especially in Harleys. 4 valves only lend themselves to high RPM. They lose low end torque.
Gurn Blanstein I liked the sound and working on my FXRS EVO, but I love my FLHX ANV M8 better. Not saying that you need to move to the M8, the EVO works great, just that the M8 has improvements that I enjoy. It is about a hundred degrees cooler than my FLHTC EVO and way more power.
EVO best motor Harley ever made my friend has 100,000 miles on it yes its worn but he bought a new st glide with 120 motor just happy harley rider since 1983.
Good video man. Upgraded from my 08 Fatbob with a Fuel Moto 107 kit, to a 2018 SGS. The new engine stock, is better in almost everyway than my old bike. Now I just gotta find some good slip ons and I'll be set for awhile.
Pan head still runs just fine thanks! neat motor though, bet it has a ton of power ! these have the be the loudest Harley engines ever ! how ' bout building them entirely here using only American steel and American Workers Like Knucks and Pans were made! Make America Great Again indeed ....
@ yeah , as long as you support the already way over priced HD. You get what you get . Fuk harley davidson greedy bastards. Oh and most of the harley riders I've talked to are Trump supporters. Not snowflakes.
The HD dream engine for me would be shape and size like Knucklehead with around 61-74 ci with 120+ horse power. I'm not a speed hunger but 77hp from 107ci was too pathetic, and all of the power on a 700lbs you couldn't outrun ktm390 or ninja400.
Love the new ride I have but it don't sound like a Harley no more. I have a new 18 limited . Put a stage 3 in it love the power hate the sound. At list I still have my 2010 cvo 110 Softail now it sounds like a Harley.
well i have had 2 107 no problem so far the sump issue is mostly blown up by trolls there have been a few issues but it's a machine and 90% of those problems was with stage 4
Will a Vance and Hines short shot exhaust from a harley 2012 103 twin cam fit a 2023 harley m8 103? I’m a new rider and having a hard time finding any information on it
Harley Davidson did'nt do a game changing change, they just came up to what everyone else was doing with a 8 valve engine and counter balancing. One more thing harley needs to do from a maintenance stand point is to get rid of the chain primary.
I totally AGREE ! Do you remember the 1981 “ Twin Belt Sturgis “ ??? What a shame that they failed at that one time attempt to deliver this - and since they failed at it , scrapped the idea forever !!!
I'm lte on this video but I have a 2015 CVO Ultra with 110 and my buddy just got a '20 with the M8 and some differences, he can go about 110KM (70 miles) further on a tank of fuel. The power is nothing we are almost identical but fuel milage is critical, hated having to stop for fuel as I am on reserve and he could go another hour.
Just got a brand new (even though it’s a 2018 model) Road King 107 for a work bike and I’m hoping for the best. My personal bikes are a 95 FLHT Electra Glide Standard with the Evo and a 83 FXSB Lowrider with the Shovelhead. I always loved the sound and coolness of the Shovel and the absolutely bulletproof reliability of the Evo. Not that I care too much about reliability with the M8 since we have a dedicated, full-time mechanic to work on the bikes. But, I also don’t want to have a shop queen either. So far the guys that already have them like them, especially since they have hydraulic clutches.
hey, every HD engine from the first one to the last one yesterday are oil cooled. Some of the M-8 engines are liquid cooled along with air and oil cooling. My brand new Tri Glide is cooled by all three and it will still cook your ass in slow traffic.
I like them. I just won’t ever get one due to the simple fact that I can’t work on it myself without a fancy (expensive) computer. I’ll keep my old evo or even a carbureted twin cam some day.
@@Schnot I love classic cars. But i feel having a modern, correctly running car is necessary. Same with bikes. Unless you want one simply as an ongoing project.
I have a '15 RGS and am considering selling it and buying an older Evo powered bike for this very reason. Can't even change my own brake fluid? Albeit, I see both sides! "IF" I had that kind of "disposable" income I would; trade up the '15 to a '19 and then go shopping for an EVO. But I don't, so I'll just hang in for a while and see what the future brings.
Jackie Howard exactly. On the newer models, even just turning on the headlight goes through the computer. To change the pipes, you have to tune it. To tune it right it needs to go on a dyno. That’s $200+ extra just to change pipes. On my evo, it’s about $3.99 for a jet for the super e carb.
just wondering, did they go back to gear drive timing, or are they another version of the chain drive? what is allowable run out on the crank ? thanks !
I was surprised to read that part about the cam and then “ chain “ ! I just bought a 2018 FXLR Low Rider and I was under the impression that it would be “ gear driven “ ???
shovelheads and the open road,only change is the baker 6speed,o ring chain and the damn bugs,sometimes I just put a fan on it ,to hear it idle,there is no other bike
@@northerniltree Torque means nothing without RPMs! The formula for hp is torque times Rpms divided by 5252 ! Hp is what gives you power, speed, top speed etc! Harley will never make real power until they design a new engine, from the ground up!
Purchased 2019 ultra limited 114 in jan20. 1100km & 1 week later I returned to dealer with oil leaks. Motor pulled and new motor cases on order. I have requested a new bike . Waiting on answer. Anyone had similar issues?
Almost 100k subscribers bro! Damn what a year. I remember when I joined before you started upgrading the 883 and I figured you would blow up, but this fast is Awesome. Good for you man! I predict 1 million subscribers by this time next year..... mark it down😁👍🇺🇸
Well...I'm still plugging away on my 46 Knuckle....been riding it since 1975....can't complain....
Keep plugging you salty old dog. Sounds like real fun.
Getting closer to a modem bike engine 2plugs a cover-up for bad combination chamber design why not go full water cooled design
@@brucemcgeehan8255 where did you come from MARS? bad ? my bad design harley makes 134HP and 138 ftlbs 4 valves?
I'll just keep on puttin on my ole 81 shovel
46 knuckle I salute you sir!
!0000K in 6 months on my 114 tirglyde...NOT ONE problem..and I ride hard..it pulls like a saturn rocket .. I LOVE this freaking bike...66 yrs old..50 yrs riding experience on all kinds of bikes
I have a 2019 M8 117ci., during a test ride. I noticed a bike ran smoother, cooler and had more power. A big improvement over the twin cam. I am impressed.
The funnest part of riding this bike is the sound it makes when you twist the throttle. It leaves me with permagrin for about an hour after I get off. It’s an addiction.
I started riding H-D’s as a teen on a ‘72 XLCH and I have to say they’ve really come a long way. This new M8 is my favorite engine by far. No more crank issues and the few issues they had with the engine thanks to the EPA have been addressed. I put over 100k on my TC96 before trading it in and am expecting this M8 to go just as far before a rebuild. We will see.
I agree with that. My brother has a 1976 FXE. That bike will shake you apart. The AMF bikes had a deserved bad reputation. It leaks a lot of oil, shakes like a paint shaker, has a lot of little problems. But it sounds very unique and you just don’t see them around anymore. It’s kinda like a new Challenger vs a 1970. The old one may be worse in some ways but it has a lot of character
I just come back home from a trip to Colorado. I rented a a FLHTCU with a 107 m8. Loved it. It did everything I expected and more, got 48.9 mpg. Transmission made more noise than I thought it should make. Lot of gear whining. Overall l want one
I just picked up a 17' road king with the 107. I love it. I had a dyna, vrod, and then 883. This is my favorite so far. Great bike
@Brad Brad I know women that ride everything from sporsters to full blown S&S 120" road glides... Some can kick your ass... And I have owned Triumphs, Hondas, a Ariel Sq 4, a 883, a knuckle, a pan, 2 FX's and a FLR.. Now a FLHP... Nothing wrong with a 883 for short rides.. And can make a base for one of the finest custom chopped bobs you can build...
harleys best bike has always been the Road King ive had 2
I really like my M8 107. Only had it about a month and a half but Im already hooked on it...
Same! im in love whit mine, got the street bob and cant stop riding it, The engine is amazing!
The m8 114 has a serious issue with the valves leaking. Oil goes into top of pistons and glazed bores at only 100 miles!! Beware of blue smoke on cold start! That’s the first sign
Yes it’s happened to me! Good enough source for you??
Damn that sucks, I get 18,000 miles riding two up on my ole shovel before it starts the blue smoke
i have 51,000 kms on my 2018 FLTRU, no issues at all, stage 2 with cat out. Love it
@Just J not sure what sports bike you've ridden but it must of been 250cc
Try an external breather, i think it's due to heads breathing into throttle body. Not good for any engine
Awesome vid, thanks! I traded my 08 kick-ass blacked out springer with 16" apes which I still love btw, for a 19 Ultra Limited (YES, I'm getting old) and it was the best thing I ever did, no regrets. I cruise at 80, tunes cranking and hear them perfectly with extreme comfort and enough power to twist it and pass whoever I need to. I looked at Indian, BMW, etc. but just love the style of a HD better...
I like how Harley eliminated all vibration. I used to own old Harley's and from my expirence those bikes were wrenched on alot due to over excessive vibration
That's a signature Harley thing. Want a baby smooth bike then ride a honda. I'd rather feel the roughness of an old Harley then any of the new ones. Harkey has lost so many customers with their new bikes and the way they look. Look at the new bobber. Queerest looking bike they make it's not a bobber anymore. Glad I got my 17 dyna before they stopped.
dah welcome to Harleys?
@@wyattsmith9791 lol anything made in the last few years or so ain't a Harley especially once they went fuel injected.
@@drearaujoa6 I'm not going to lie I love my 17 fxdb but I like my old wide glide just as much. If I was do raise hell I go with my new dyna but if I'm cruising I like my wg. Far as fuel injection I do like it because I can tune it however I want with my laptop and power vision much easier then tuning for power with carbs. My 17 is higher maintenance then the wg though
@@wyattsmith9791 you guys are holding Harley back. I'm glad Harley has started making bikes for the modern rider. All you old heads are going to die soon and you just can't help but bring Harley to the grave with you. Harleys new bikes are better in every way from engineering to looks. Now with the sportster s, the nightster and the Pan American we finally see Harley making brand new modern motorcycles that are actually able to compete and beat Japanese bikes. Soon its going to be all new generations of Harley fans that actually appreciate the engineering that Harley puts into their new bikes instead of crying because Harley uses more reliable and better performing technology.
I just rode a 2016 dyna twin cam 103 with a stage 1 yesterday, followed by a 2018 slim, M8 107 with slip ons, and the power difference between those two bikes back to back was 🤯💥🇺🇸 drastic comes to mind. The entire ride quality, handling, feel, shifting, literally everything about the M8 slim was far superior to the twin cam dyna. I say that but I still wanted the dyna more! Go figure? It rumbled and shook, and sounded like an angry beast and I loved it!! Then I rode a ‘21 FXLRS with the 114, stock, left over from last year and I bought it!! Amazing bike in every way. IMO whatever that’s worth?
I’m upgrading my 107, to a 124. It’s gon be a beast!
72,000kms on my 2018 FLTRU M8, Not one problem with it...LOVE IT.
Thanks a lot for this nice video! I just bought a 2019 road glide 107ci and its a huge improvement over the 103ci Ultra Limited I had before. One thing you didn’t mention in your video is the primary drive on the M8 is much smoother than the twin cam bikes especially at low speed in second gear. It also seems like the primary chain case is narrower on the M8 than the twin cam but that might be my imagination. I’ve been riding 25 years, all kinds of bikes...Honda, Triumph, Yamaha, Harley...I’m very happy with my new M8.
I have a 2018 SE CVO using about 1 qt of oil every 5,000 miles. Factory said it's normal. Never had a HD using oil. Thing about applying the lemon law.
this was excellent man. I have the heritage 114 and very happy with it. I cant imagine someone not liking it. good job on the presentation.
The last bike I had was an ‘89 Yamaha VMax I sold in 96 or so. I moved to Florida and decided to get back into riding again. I’ve always wanted a Harley and have ridden a few of my friends and family members’ throughout the years and liked them. I bought an Iron 883 in January and three weeks later, I traded it for a Low Rider. One thing I noticed immediately was the lack of vibration relatively speaking and a nice amount of torque all the way through the power band. I’m really happy with it and have enjoyed having any excuse to ride it.
Awesome and well worded video .
My 2018 FXLR Low Rider is the best I’ve ever had . ( I’ve owned 13 H-D’s in 43 years ; oldest was a 53’ FL panhead )
I do believe this is Milwaukee’s best effort - with only (2) complaints .
1.) I don’t agree with the placement of the factory installed oil cooler . This was a great addition to the engine , however it totally blocks the
“ clean air “ to the front cylinder . I do believe that , like some aftermarket oil coolers on the market , it could have been catching its own clean air off to the left of the frame’s front down tube .
This would have allowed the front cylinder to continue to receive its clean air as it always has .
2.) the brakes , although
“ better “ , are very inconsistently set up .
I have spoken to many a riders of this new softail . They ALL agree that the front brakes are too sensitive , and most men agree that two fingers is the safer and more common way that they apply them . The rear brakes require that you use unnecessary application from your right boot to get the bike to slow / stop .
When speaking to my trusted dealership that I have frequented since 1988 ; they explained that the “ engineering department “ at H-D did this intentionally to encourage the use of “ more front brake “ .
I shook my head and wondered why they couldn’t let the novice rider learn to ride and not dumb down the pressure required for the rest of us .
Also I would have liked to hear more about the M-8’s compression release described and perhaps seen the inside parts and how it works in this very informative video .
Thanks for this job well done .
got a new 17 ultra c.2 weeks ago with 5400 miles on it with the 107 she just bad ass nothing bad to say at all
I liked my 80 evo ,until I rode a 103 what a difference!
Been riding Harleys since 1972. In the old days we didn’t buy bikes, we built them. Brought home my first Panhead in boxes. Had sportsters, pans, shovels, and twin cam. Just bought 2020 Breakout in Stiletto red. Best bike I’ve ever owned, blows all the others away. Most problems with engines can be traced back to the loose nuts behind the handlebars!
This engine impresses me everytime I ride. Good vid as always
Traded in my 06 Fat boy and 15 Street Glide Special on 19 Tri Glide 114 cc. The reduction in heat is the best. More torque and power. HD did their home work. This Milwaukee 8 is the best yet. Continually surprise the cagers at how quick I leave the light. Takes a little time to get use to the trike after 49 years on two wheels.
Never took to my 08 Electra Glide Ultra. Couldn't get past the heat and the height center of gravity with a rider and the tour pack loaded.
Just traded my 2000 Road King on a Softtail Slim, Been riding Road Kings and "King of the highway ( shovel road king predecessor) forever I need a lighter and lower bike 5'5" 67 yrs, love it a million
I checked the fuel mileage on a 107 M8 Softail Standard and it was 54 mpg! That's about the same as a 1200cc carbureted Sportster.
Love my '17 RK. Awesome power, and super easy riding.
Absolutely love my '19 Heritage 107. Dealer wanted it back, marketing ploy- IDK. I responded what, why? I absolutely love this bike - NO...
Not a word since. I've owned many and rode many, but of all I absolutely love this bike...
I do not need any more power or speed, i,ll keep my dependable 2000, 88 cid....it has a few upgrades and is dependable.
I gotta compliment you on reading the spec sheet accurately, but nearly every reviewer talks about the increase in HP and torque at RPM. Just talking numbers doesn't tell the story of the M8 performance. What makes the M8 impressive is the fact that it achieves approx. 90% torque output at 2100 RPM, and sustains that level past 4000 RPM. The torque curve on this motor is high and flat, check out a dyno run chart, not just the numbers.
My stock 2019 107 roadking STANDARD is a torque monster with 35 yrs.of riding everything with 2 wheels it is smooth.(I had other enthusiasts walk up to my bike and place their hands next to my cylinders ,,after 150 mile ride and say how cool my motor was,,,they knew more about my engine than eye did ,,,until now ,,,after watching your content.thanks !!!--Happy Trails ya,ll-!!!☆☆☆
I have the 107...wish it was bigger but, still rips and ive loved all 26k so far
Nine yrs ago I bought my first harley a
13 hertiage which I still have just flipped to 100000 and still going but a year ago bought a 18 ultra and OMG I love the bike I tell people it's my quiet bike and the hertiage is my loud one
Sweet video. I love seeing the M8's go together at the factory. Thanks Block !!
Bought the M8 lowrider. changed the stock seat because it's crap,put on V&H slipons. sounds great,drives good,rear brake isn't up to much.very happy with it other than that.
I too bought a 2018 FXLR
I am very happy .
My two main complaints -
The crap seat - as there is no padding for a passenger !
And VERY sensitive front brakes , which I’m getting used to - but seem to have to work “ too hard “ to apply rear brakes !
You and I agree on these , so thanks for saying so , as I now don’t feel alone on this ...
Later
Ride safe
You forgot to mention while idle in high temps the rear cylinder shuts off
Thats nothing new. Mine does that and its an 06
My old 103 does that too
You can turn that off if you want
Just got a 2017 FLHP after riding a 2001 FXDXT for many years and I can say the 107ci is heads and shoulders above the old Cam 88... I gave my FXDXT to my son and he's rebuilding it to his liking down in Tx and hoping to meet up with him half way on the way to Sturgis next year,,,
Dual spark plugs and four valves per cylinder which have been used on metric bikes for 25 years now. Everyone is raving about this engine but it’s old news to many of us.
Just came here to see about pushrods. My 2000 SUZUKI VL1500 has an internal chain to operate upper mechanics and 4 valves too. HD lagging 😄
It took a little time for me to adjust to this motor, but it’s like I like it more and more every time I ride it. I went from 2015 SGS (103ci) to a 2017 Road King Special 107ci , and I love it.
I kind of like the idea off no vibration they should give folks the option.
Its a tremendous engine, homerun hd!
Ride what you can afford some people just can’t afford much LOL
Sounds like with the new oil cooled heads, this new design for them might be the primary cause for oil sumping which is an issue the can't seem to correct with what now, 8 new/replacement oil pumps?
So...10% more torque from a 4% bigger engine? Eh...not to excited about that. But I do like that they have finally gotten on board with cooling and the 4 valve 2 spark plug heads...my 00 vulcan has those and it makes a big difference.
I love mine it is way better than the twin cam on back. I still own a EVO but this bike will run circles around it, best Harley I have ever owned out of several from Panhead on. I have a 2017 Ultra Limited
At time 4:08 he said Harley was asking people what they wanted to see in a new engine, wow! that's is easy . An engine that doesn't need fixing after buying it or a warranty that covers it
not ... pay us and will fix it.
normal for Harley
I have the m8 stage 2 / 465 cam,
its really fun to ride...
Thanks for this information I am trying to learn everything I can to apply for a job with Harley Davidson
Matchbox Garage good luck. I’ve been trying for a while. It seems hard to get into a dealership. I hope you get it
If you own a M8 like my 2018 Fatbob, 2017 and 2019 CVOs don't waste money on Harley stage kits. The engine will blow up due to oil pump design flaws and/or plastic tappet guides. Yeah and $50k motorcycle with plastic tappet guides. Neither the dealer who installs it or H corp office will disclose this. S&S, Fueling or Zipper all make higher quality performance kits.
I'm feeling better and better about my 103 HO stage 2. Hauls me around pretty well.
Has Harley been quick to fix the defective composite cylinder head gasket?
Softails have dual counterbalancers, that’s why they are a little down on power compared to the touring bikes. The 114 in the tour bikes puts out 122 ft lb of torque vs 119 ft lb in the Softail, the 107’s are the same way.
Love your videos by the way, thanks for posting!
As much as I love Harley, they are still struggling to catch up with the Japanese power cruisers from a decade ago power wise. The Suzuki M109R lays down 118lbft @ 3200rpm and 128hp @ 6200 rpm and weighed under 700lbs. The Honda VTX 1800 made 120lbft and 106hp, but it weighed almost 100lbs more. Granted, both were water cooled, but these are numbers from 2005-2006...
@@Peter-976 not necessarily. I had 2.5" Hard Krome pipes on my Suzuki C50 when I worked for Daytona H-D and was frequently asked about them because guys wanted their Softails to sound like it. Sure, it didn't have the signature sound of an Evo, but it didn't sound bad at all.
You could take it that way. To a lot of people my Suzuki sounded better than their Twin Cams, and Twin Cams sound better than M8s. None of them sound better than an Evo though. So Evo > Suzuki > Twinkie > M8
@Palmer White I'm just going by what I was told by Harley owners when I worked at the shop. I'm happy with the Evo I have now.
Still surprised by all the Harley hate. I've had Suzuki, Yamaha, Honda all were good. Kids bought me a 2018 low rider. Comparing air cooled to air cooled harley is just as quick if not quicker Definitely easier to hop up. I prefer the Harley. The others never brought 50 mpg plus. Just like politics, no one can just leave people alone .
I never liked the engine and trans together in other bikes.
Split cases and you have a trans with it.
Do a video on the Street lineup or the Revolution X engine, the Street Rod is probably the only note worthy bike out of the lineup with a dual throttle body, hemi piston heads, upgraded fuel injectors and upgraded cams. The revolution x engine in the street Rod is also liquid cooled, and no counter balancers, so you can redline at 9000 RPM and feel every bit of it, in my opinion, it’s an absolutely amazing bike, only 750 CC 64 cubic in, but stock it has 18% more hp and 8% torque over the normal 750 cc revolution x engine that’s in the Street 750. I ran a low 13 sec 1/4 mile on it with pump gas and stock muffler and air intake, yes I said low 13 STOCK, my buddy has a S&S 114 cubic in engine in his road king and he runs 11s
German design V rod nuf said.
It's amazing Harley spent all this money into r&d (at least what they claim as an excuse for their prices) but yet the m8 has all kinds of problems. They just came out with an improved oil filter as well as a vented oil tank cap by fueling because their umbrella valves suck.
I've heard guys say if u decat them they run much cooler...
Finally 4 valves per cylinder getting in the game with all the metrics
Yeah And *STILL* Don'T Need To Rev-up To 8-9 Thousand Rpm To get Torque from a Motorcycle...
"Not Like The Metrics"
@@haxallmobil1597 and what do you consider "metrics"
@@hiposho68 Any Production Motorcycle that contains ZERO imperial *''Inch''* Bolts, Nuts, or Screws... Duh!
Ugh!! PEOPLE
4 is not better its a Harley gimmick pal the latest and greatest harley gimmick, remember the twin cam gimmick? it works people love harley gimmicks.
I did a stage 2 and absolutely luv it
So are the heads on the 117 water or oil cooled , ive researched this over and over and half the time they say the heads are water cooled and that radiator inbetween the frame holds water ??????
I don’t know if I should get the new softtail low rider with the M8 it’s scaring me a little because it’s still new and everyone I talk to they say they got a lot of issues with them. I’m looking at 2019 low rider got 2 miles on it the dealer is asking 16,400
I bought a 2018 Ultra Limited 107 earlier this year after about 500 miles a defect in the case showed its ugly head oil started weeping out of the side of the casing. Dealer has it now for two weeks till they send a new case and they rebuild the motor. The whole thing is warranted but what the hell brand new bike. I was loving the bike yes less heat nice ride but now I’m not to happy.
John Hoffman
Problems just happen sometimes, when I built my sportster flat track bike I cracked a cylinder liner from top to bottom on the very first run on the track, and these were brand new iron lined cylinders.
Yes I know this isn’t anyone’s fault I don’t think Harley does their own castings so no quality control but with all the oiling problems the M8 has had it’s kind of ironic that this maybe the reason there is oil transfer internally.
How are they for reliability? Seems like finned valve covers would take some heat.
Separate high volume jets of oil sprayed to piston pin area helps to transfer heat to oil cooler radiator.
Top quality gaskets are essential to survive heat cooling cycles. Uneven heat dissipation stresses mating surfaces. Keeping rear cylinder exhaust valves cool is always a challenge. Exposed to white hot heat for hours on end that heat has to be removed or engine melting becomes a clear danger.
Air cooled engines don’t like to idle in bumper to bumper traffic in desert heat they need air flow so a separate fan would be needed in this application.
More oil and efficient cooling radiator is the way to go. Two systems, lubrication, cooling makes for a happy motor. Proper octane fuels help to deliver power not just heat. The more horses neath you the more heat as well. Low stress engines last longer. Two hundred degree engines are happy. 😄Five hundred degree engines say I’m out of here dude!🥵
yes but Harley has been at it a long time my friend. My pal retired his 1984 harley with 100,000 miles on it still runs but he bought a new harley.
This is a pretty good copy of the Yamaha 113 Stratoliner motor from 2006.
Way to go HD!!
Why not 8 valves along time ago ???-
Especially the sportster which still does not have 8 valves ???
I got the stage 2 and torque cam and it's very impressive...
Dennis Morris I’m getting the stage 2 torque very soon. I’ve got the stage 1 now and have heard that the stage 2 is a beast
I have seen evidence of the M8 heads made cheap by some foreign manufacturer. The machine work is not the greatest and the heads look like Kawasaki may be the ones making the heads. I watched a noted machinist rebuild a set of M8 heads that had less then ten thousand miles. Valve seats were poor quality and the ports were really rough. I ride a 2010 Heritage and will stick with it. I believe the best engine HD ever made but did not have the power the new ones have is the Evo
I know it's been 4 years, but the combustion chamber design is called Pentroof, vs the previous HEMI design. Basically every car in existence today uses Pentroof because it's cheap and easy to make them have more than 2 valves per combustion chamber. HEMI heads are harder to make and basically impossible to run 4 valves per head. Although, I would argue that 4 valves is a waste, especially in Harleys. 4 valves only lend themselves to high RPM. They lose low end torque.
I have a 23 fxst with 107. Love it
I'll keep my Evo thank you...
I still ride my '94 Hugger!
Me too
I'll just ride my old bikes from a 45 flathead to a shovel
Gurn Blanstein I liked the sound and working on my FXRS EVO, but I love my FLHX ANV M8 better. Not saying that you need to move to the M8, the EVO works great, just that the M8 has improvements that I enjoy. It is about a hundred degrees cooler than my FLHTC EVO and way more power.
EVO best motor Harley ever made my friend has 100,000 miles on it yes its worn but he bought a new st glide with 120 motor just happy harley rider since 1983.
Good video man. Upgraded from my 08 Fatbob with a Fuel Moto 107 kit, to a 2018 SGS. The new engine stock, is better in almost everyway than my old bike. Now I just gotta find some good slip ons and I'll be set for awhile.
I have Rineharts on my 18 FLFB.
Pan head still runs just fine thanks! neat motor though, bet it has a ton of power ! these have the be the loudest Harley engines ever ! how ' bout building them entirely here using only American steel and American Workers Like Knucks and Pans were made! Make America Great Again indeed ....
The brother has a 1976 FXE and it definitely has more character and a much different sound than the newer ones
@ yeah , as long as you support the already way over priced HD. You get what you get . Fuk harley davidson greedy bastards. Oh and most of the harley riders I've talked to are Trump supporters. Not snowflakes.
Love my 2019 RG Ultra 114, lot different than 110 CVO , definitely runs cooler and much more responsive. 😎
My 2020 Sport Glide goes like a dream. Any idea why pre 2020 they were listed as a 1745cc. 2020 onwards listed as a 1746cc?
The HD dream engine for me would be shape and size like Knucklehead with around 61-74 ci with 120+ horse power. I'm not a speed hunger but 77hp from 107ci was too pathetic, and all of the power on a 700lbs you couldn't outrun ktm390 or ninja400.
Don’t forget in the 107 oil transfers issue !! Mine is at Harley waiting for vent kit for Harley under warranty !!
Just bought my first HD, 2021 Low Rider S. Really stoked about it, hopefully I made a good decision.
I have a 2022 114...... are the valves usually loud as hell that's my only concern with it
Please make a video about the m8 problems
Sal Panahi that’s probably against his contract rules
Only one problem - its looks like yamaha.
Love the new ride I have but it don't sound like a Harley no more. I have a new 18 limited . Put a stage 3 in it love the power hate the sound. At list I still have my 2010 cvo 110 Softail now it sounds like a Harley.
well i have had 2 107 no problem so far the sump issue is mostly blown up by trolls there have been a few issues but it's a machine and 90% of those problems was with stage 4
Oelsumping/Oeltransfer?
Will a Vance and Hines short shot exhaust from a harley 2012 103 twin cam fit a 2023 harley m8 103? I’m a new rider and having a hard time finding any information on it
Until HD does away with their chain primary I'll just stick with my Shovel with S&S carb,belt drive primary and 5-speed trans set up.
perfect wish I still had my shovel?
I love this New engine and the old others one
Harley Davidson did'nt do a game changing change, they just came up to what everyone else was doing with a 8 valve engine and counter balancing. One more thing harley needs to do from a maintenance stand point is to get rid of the chain primary.
I totally AGREE !
Do you remember the 1981
“ Twin Belt Sturgis “ ???
What a shame that they failed at that one time attempt to deliver this - and since they failed at it , scrapped the idea forever !!!
That would be the sportster engine....
tell em boss you know what harley need just like all my friends always tell me what harley need for 50 years
Harley...reinventing the wheel.
Is it normal for 114 engine tap noise when idling after lets say 1 hour riding?
I'm lte on this video but I have a 2015 CVO Ultra with 110 and my buddy just got a '20 with the M8 and some differences, he can go about 110KM (70 miles) further on a tank of fuel. The power is nothing we are almost identical but fuel milage is critical, hated having to stop for fuel as I am on reserve and he could go another hour.
Good job! I knew the stats but the engine video clips are super cool!
Just got a brand new (even though it’s a 2018 model) Road King 107 for a work bike and I’m hoping for the best. My personal bikes are a 95 FLHT Electra Glide Standard with the Evo and a 83 FXSB Lowrider with the Shovelhead. I always loved the sound and coolness of the Shovel and the absolutely bulletproof reliability of the Evo. Not that I care too much about reliability with the M8 since we have a dedicated, full-time mechanic to work on the bikes. But, I also don’t want to have a shop queen either. So far the guys that already have them like them, especially since they have hydraulic clutches.
Hah, you got a dream job sounds like!
First off I do an 80 role and second you did not bring up water cooled heads . I have a 2017 ultra limited
Good to see harley going in the right direction
1 of these days Harley will get it right?
hey, every HD engine from the first one to the last one yesterday are oil cooled. Some of the M-8 engines are liquid cooled along with air and oil cooling. My brand new Tri Glide is cooled by all three and it will still cook your ass in slow traffic.
I like them. I just won’t ever get one due to the simple fact that I can’t work on it myself without a fancy (expensive) computer. I’ll keep my old evo or even a carbureted twin cam some day.
Smh
Mr. Borjas why?
@@Schnot I love classic cars. But i feel having a modern, correctly running car is necessary.
Same with bikes.
Unless you want one simply as an ongoing project.
I have a '15 RGS and am considering selling it and buying an older Evo powered bike for this very reason. Can't even change my own brake fluid? Albeit, I see both sides! "IF" I had that kind of "disposable" income I would; trade up the '15 to a '19 and then go shopping for an EVO. But I don't, so I'll just hang in for a while and see what the future brings.
Jackie Howard exactly. On the newer models, even just turning on the headlight goes through the computer. To change the pipes, you have to tune it. To tune it right it needs to go on a dyno. That’s $200+ extra just to change pipes. On my evo, it’s about $3.99 for a jet for the super e carb.
just wondering, did they go back to gear drive timing, or are they another version of the chain drive?
what is allowable run out on the crank ?
thanks !
I was surprised to read that part about the cam and then “ chain “ !
I just bought a 2018 FXLR Low Rider and I was under the impression that it would be “ gear driven “ ???
Why was the twin cooling installed on the 17's CVO and then removed, was there an issue..?
shovelheads and the open road,only change is the baker 6speed,o ring chain and the damn bugs,sometimes I just put a fan on it ,to hear it idle,there is no other bike
Wow if Harley could make another 20 hp , they would be making almost as much power as a 1969 Honda 750cc
That 750cc was a real torque beast as well, eh?
@@northerniltree Torque means nothing without RPMs! The formula for hp is torque times Rpms divided by 5252 ! Hp is what gives you power, speed, top speed etc! Harley will never make real power until they design a new engine, from the ground up!
@@MrJimmy1437 Right. But, Honda can't make potato, potato sounds. Chew on that.
@@northerniltree True, but i always though that if sound is a big thing with a person , they should go to the opera!
@@MrJimmy1437 So, you aren't a baritone kinda guy. Got it.
75% less shake? I have a 1997 sportster mounted on the frame with no rubber. That's what I would like them to bring back.
You can't honestly be spelling shake as shaque are you?
It's the french in me. Auto correct! Lol
Purchased 2019 ultra limited 114 in jan20. 1100km & 1 week later I returned to dealer with oil leaks. Motor pulled and new motor cases on order. I have requested a new bike . Waiting on answer. Anyone had similar issues?
Wow, this is nostalgia as its finest, Block. Just out of curiosity,.... which one of those beauties did you take your name-sake from @0:25 ??
Almost 100k subscribers bro! Damn what a year. I remember when I joined before you started upgrading the 883 and I figured you would blow up, but this fast is Awesome. Good for you man! I predict 1 million subscribers by this time next year..... mark it down😁👍🇺🇸
Only at 162k, 4 months left. Ain’t gonna happen
Great video Block. Very informative for us not HD riders.