I tend to keep watches for a long time. I dislike variance. Once my watch is about 30 seconds off, I reset it. Most of my collection is NH35/38 powered. Usually I reset them once a week. However, I just picked up a Pelagos 39; didn’t think the enhanced accuracy would mean much, but in practice, not having to reset my watch as frequently is nice; less crown wear, less chance of water ingress. That’s not to say that non-certified watches can’t exhibit similar accuracy, but it’s nice knowing that’s guaranteed right out of the box.
I have 6 watches with nh35/36 movements.All except one (invicta1953 ) are doing less than 10 spd.I have a seiko king turtle thats doing +2 spd in all positions. With others i sometimes use positional accuracy to keep them on track. I also have ten years old Omega seamaster 300m and its doing - 4-5 spd witch is slightly outside of its cosc specifications , but to be honest i dont really care. @@adventureswithtime
@@adventureswithtime some are better regulated than others, but usually +/- 5-7 SPD. Granted, the watches in question were all reregulated prior to being assembled, which I know is not always the case with Seiko powered microbrands.
That doesn't really mean anything because mass produced movements have a range of quality. You might have just got lucky with a good one. Also how long is that going to remain accurate? We can't really know without propper testing.
Good video -- a lot of fun to watch. Love a knowledgeable guy who seriously doesn't take himself too seriously. Personally, I am a fan of watches whose accuracy is measured in lower single digit second daily variances. COSC and Metas are certainly good starting points for me when I am trying to decide whether I'm interested in a particular watch. Loved your recent piece on the GO Sea Q -- am saving up my nickels for one, and hope to be able to pull the trigger before I become too myopic to read the date window on the smaller one ( ;-) ). I'm also big fan of Grand Seiko, which obviously doesn't use either COSC or Metas or DIN, but who's watches are as accurate as any European watchmaker's or better. Would love to see a video from you discussing Japanese high horology testing standards, too. Keep up the good work!
Thanks for the positive feedback. I too as trying to learn about all of this horology stuff. I am also hoping one of these days to be able to by a GO watch. But saving nickels will take a long time. I'd love to do something about the testing operations at GS. I'd love to have a GS watch. As I've said in several videos, I'm still trying to find one that is the "it" GS watch for me. I think I missed my opportunity a few years ago with the SBGH269. At that time I wasn't ready to spend about $7K on a watch. Maybe I'll see if I can get info on GS testing. I'd love to go back to Japan to visit their new manufacturing and design location.
As an average-Joe watch collector, my life is not dependent on such certifications and I just view them as marketing tools used to justify an already inflated price. As long as the watch appeals to me, keeps reasonable time, and has an appropriate amount of water resistance and price, I’m good to go. These certifications are something I don’t even bother with.
I have never paid much attention to them either. But learning about them certainly made me think about them more and wonder how other people consider them.
I am a serious collector now i have 118 watches (my standard) is made in switzerland and printed on the face or back swiss made. the rest are german or seiko or orient and In EIGHT YEARS (ONLY ONLY ONE DIE I WAS A BULOVA MADE BY CITIZENS.( ALL ARE QUARTZ) AND WILL LAST OVER THIRTY YEARS. MY STORY AND I'M STICKIN TO IT!!!
From my point of view certification is more valuable to new brands which are not able to rely on their brand to reassure their customers that the movement will be of good quality. If you are buying a well known brand with a movement that is also well known, then you have to ask what the point of certification is. I also think that certification has lost its importance in modern times because there used to be much less information available to the ordinary man who may not know what is good, and so would rely on an official certification to assure quality in their purchase. These days the internet provides plentiful information about the different movements and the quality of each kind so we are not as blind in our buying as we used to be.
Yes, a brand like Glashutte Original doesn't need to go to an independent testing org. Those who know the brand understand they do a complete set of in-house testing and that the quality is there. I'm not sure if new brands can afford the cost of getting certified. Although I really have no idea how much it costs. I remember reading something that for certain testing orgs you need to first become a member and then pay for each movement tested. That can't be cheap.
I tend to keep watches for a long time. I dislike variance. Once my watch is about 30 seconds off, I reset it. Most of my collection is NH35/38 powered. Usually I reset them once a week. However, I just picked up a Pelagos 39; didn’t think the enhanced accuracy would mean much, but in practice, not having to reset my watch as frequently is nice; less crown wear, less chance of water ingress. That’s not to say that non-certified watches can’t exhibit similar accuracy, but it’s nice knowing that’s guaranteed right out of the box.
Are you getting that much accuracy out of the NH35 movements. After a week, I would think they are over a minute off.
I have 6 watches with nh35/36 movements.All except one (invicta1953 ) are doing less than 10 spd.I have a seiko king turtle thats doing +2 spd in all positions. With others i sometimes use positional accuracy to keep them on track. I also have ten years old Omega seamaster 300m and its doing - 4-5 spd witch is slightly outside of its cosc specifications , but to be honest i dont really care. @@adventureswithtime
@@adventureswithtime some are better regulated than others, but usually +/- 5-7 SPD. Granted, the watches in question were all reregulated prior to being assembled, which I know is not always the case with Seiko powered microbrands.
My most accurate watches are not cosc. My zenith is + .2 spd.
That doesn't really mean anything because mass produced movements have a range of quality. You might have just got lucky with a good one. Also how long is that going to remain accurate? We can't really know without propper testing.
As the other commenter said, sometimes we get lucky. I have that with my Islander Diver.
Good video -- a lot of fun to watch. Love a knowledgeable guy who seriously doesn't take himself too seriously. Personally, I am a fan of watches whose accuracy is measured in lower single digit second daily variances. COSC and Metas are certainly good starting points for me when I am trying to decide whether I'm interested in a particular watch. Loved your recent piece on the GO Sea Q -- am saving up my nickels for one, and hope to be able to pull the trigger before I become too myopic to read the date window on the smaller one ( ;-) ). I'm also big fan of Grand Seiko, which obviously doesn't use either COSC or Metas or DIN, but who's watches are as accurate as any European watchmaker's or better. Would love to see a video from you discussing Japanese high horology testing standards, too. Keep up the good work!
Thanks for the positive feedback. I too as trying to learn about all of this horology stuff. I am also hoping one of these days to be able to by a GO watch. But saving nickels will take a long time.
I'd love to do something about the testing operations at GS. I'd love to have a GS watch. As I've said in several videos, I'm still trying to find one that is the "it" GS watch for me. I think I missed my opportunity a few years ago with the SBGH269. At that time I wasn't ready to spend about $7K on a watch. Maybe I'll see if I can get info on GS testing. I'd love to go back to Japan to visit their new manufacturing and design location.
Yes, it does, however you can get a more affordable piece just for fun watch with out the cosc.
I agree. I'm more into the design and aesthetics. But I do find it intriguing the process of designing and testing these certified watches.
I think it is good to have cirtification, but so long as the watch appeals to me and is accurate and affordable, I will buy it,
;-)
Yup. Appeal is job 1.
I have COSC Certified and METAS certified watches, my watch with an unadjusted 8L35 outperforms them all. Go figure.
Sometimes we get lucky. I had the same thing with my Islander Diver.
As an average-Joe watch collector, my life is not dependent on such certifications and I just view them as marketing tools used to justify an already inflated price. As long as the watch appeals to me, keeps reasonable time, and has an appropriate amount of water resistance and price, I’m good to go. These certifications are something I don’t even bother with.
I have never paid much attention to them either. But learning about them certainly made me think about them more and wonder how other people consider them.
Definitely a plus but does not affect my liking and decision to purchase!
Ditto
I am a serious collector now i have 118 watches (my standard) is made in switzerland and printed on the face or back
swiss made. the rest are german or seiko or orient and In EIGHT YEARS (ONLY ONLY ONE DIE I WAS A BULOVA
MADE BY CITIZENS.( ALL ARE QUARTZ) AND WILL LAST OVER THIRTY YEARS. MY STORY AND I'M STICKIN TO IT!!!
So I'll put you down for a NO vote as to whether certification matters. LOL
From my point of view certification is more valuable to new brands which are not able to rely on their brand to reassure their customers that the movement will be of good quality. If you are buying a well known brand with a movement that is also well known, then you have to ask what the point of certification is. I also think that certification has lost its importance in modern times because there used to be much less information available to the ordinary man who may not know what is good, and so would rely on an official certification to assure quality in their purchase. These days the internet provides plentiful information about the different movements and the quality of each kind so we are not as blind in our buying as we used to be.
Yes, a brand like Glashutte Original doesn't need to go to an independent testing org. Those who know the brand understand they do a complete set of in-house testing and that the quality is there.
I'm not sure if new brands can afford the cost of getting certified. Although I really have no idea how much it costs. I remember reading something that for certain testing orgs you need to first become a member and then pay for each movement tested. That can't be cheap.