Generally speaking, when quenched with water, the temperature gradient between the surface and the inside becomes large, and the stress caused by thermal contraction makes it easier for cracks to occur. However, of the four blades, only Eric's blade, which was quenched with water, did not crack. Tendencies and phenomena do not necessarily coincide. This episode proved it.
I think its 1045, is very tough Material and loves to be quenched in water. If you quench it in Oil, it will most times not get hard, and if you overheat it, before quenching in water, it also somtimes fails to get hard. Its not a very hard steel, but you can drop it whithout anealing (Like it shows in the show), and its a good steel for hammers and splitting wedges. I like to use it for the blade of scissors, with a mildsteel back, and i dont aneal it, is a good tough combo and easy to sharpen.
You really can’t count for experience when quenching blade in water, it’s all in the hearing of the blade and how you get it to that critical temperature, if you heat the blade up too fast it will crack……even in oil.
There's far more to it than just the analogue quench in water/oil. Temperature plays a huge factor and how the steel has been worked & treated prior to that, such as hammering one side more than the other, etc. Can also observe that they seemingly messed up the oil quenching by dipping it once then yanking it back out immediately when you're supposed to submerge & gently stir it for like 15-20 seconds.
The judges always react when a contestant uses water quenching. However, Eric decided to use water quenching after seeing Jared's failure in oil quenching using the same material. Moreover, he carefully placed the blade in the water. When a red-hot blade is placed in a coolant, the coolant evaporates and creates a vapor jacket. The vapor jacket cuts off the contact between the blade and the coolant, slowing down the cooling process. This often prevents the blade from hardening. So when oil quenching, the blade is moved in oil. When water quenching, the vapor jacket can be used to slow down the cooling rate, which is too fast. Eric seems to be not only a good bladesmith, but also a good competitor.
Well, no. He actually says he thought the other guy said "water", when he really said "hotter". So he assumed the other guy was saying their steel needed a water quench. Which is odd to assume, but the guy *was* going toward the barrels of water.
@@MGower4465 The mishearing was not a big deal. Eric would not have made such a mistake if he did not have a proper knowledge of quenching. And what Jared said and how the blade should be treated are two different matter.
You seem to be very knowledgeable. Could you guide a bit whats a good resource to learn about forging theory? I can't actually practice it. But would love to learn in-depth about forging.
Even when guys and gals lost you didn't feel that way, because of how he treated each and every blade Smith, giving a huge handshake and a pat on the back really makes a difference, at least to me it does .
It's one of the reasons I liked the show better with Wil than the later seasons with Grady. Wil always asked the departing competitor to shake his, the judges, and the other competitors hands before leaving the forge.
The worst thing that Forged in fire ever made was not having wil come back on the show !!! Wil is a stone cold veteran and has class, he brought a lot to this show and it was a huge mistake of not having him back !!! That's my honest opinion .
Actually not complicated at all. .... This show started as a nish project, a small litlle show with a host and three experts. Will, always had this aura of a veteran who is a natural leader. The way he presented the show was unique. So at one point (same with UK Top Gear 2002-2015 or Wheeler Dealers up to season 13) this show became more then a show. The Experts and Will became a cult of their own. This happens when the personalitys became greater then the show itself. When Will decided to quit TV to spend time with his family, they had to find a new host. This one had to do his own style and not copy what came before. So the presenting format changed slightly (i mean its still about forging, time and testing) humans dont like change, so they cry for Will to come back. (I liked Will better too, but its okay to me)
You know this show is such a waste .. and fake ... show us what the judges can produce flip it lol .... in the cutting .. is so staged it should be done with a robotic arm ... to reproduce the same cutting action and pressure to all the blades I don't know how this show stayed on the air as long as it has ... who are these judges anyway play we got a fact check who they are feels up to me I'd flip the show and say okay you got to make this sword and just see how they do lol ... the show is such scams in just for the ratings , I got a fact check these judges ... if they're outstanding upstanding 1 ... how long have they been swordsmith's .. they want them to make a katana ... in 3 hours .. I would buy that show and then tell him know this show is going to be you coming over the other side of the table and you making this sword ... and if you all fail you're all off as judges will get new ones ... the most useless show on TV
😮😮 it's kind of hilarious that these judges are judging others ... you know how hard it is the forge a sword in 3 hours .. it was up to me I would put the claws in their that every 3 months they would have to flip and come on over to the other side of the bench and make a sword themselves .. it's a show ... we're not talking swordsmith's like they have in Japan make the katana .. ... to make a true katana it takes over a month to make ... the expect these guys to produce a sword in what 3 hours in front of them ... what a joke
Whenever i open a new knife from its packaging, i always make a little tear, so i can rip the package open in one pull, to let the knife fall onto the ground. Normally a wooden floor...i won't do this over concrete...but its a symbolic gesture. If the knife takes no damage, I'll keep it. But if the tip bends or any hardware comes loose, i discard that knife.
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Generally speaking, when quenched with water, the temperature gradient between the surface and the inside becomes large, and the stress caused by thermal contraction makes it easier for cracks to occur. However, of the four blades, only Eric's blade, which was quenched with water, did not crack. Tendencies and phenomena do not necessarily coincide. This episode proved it.
I think its 1045, is very tough Material and loves to be quenched in water. If you quench it in Oil, it will most times not get hard, and if you overheat it, before quenching in water, it also somtimes fails to get hard. Its not a very hard steel, but you can drop it whithout anealing (Like it shows in the show), and its a good steel for hammers and splitting wedges. I like to use it for the blade of scissors, with a mildsteel back, and i dont aneal it, is a good tough combo and easy to sharpen.
Was kinda luck. "Gotta go hotter." " Gotta use water? Okay"
You really can’t count for experience when quenching blade in water, it’s all in the hearing of the blade and how you get it to that critical temperature, if you heat the blade up too fast it will crack……even in oil.
There's far more to it than just the analogue quench in water/oil. Temperature plays a huge factor and how the steel has been worked & treated prior to that, such as hammering one side more than the other, etc. Can also observe that they seemingly messed up the oil quenching by dipping it once then yanking it back out immediately when you're supposed to submerge & gently stir it for like 15-20 seconds.
@@gjfwangidk it looked completely scripted.
An almost tragic miscommunication.
The judges always react when a contestant uses water quenching. However, Eric decided to use water quenching after seeing Jared's failure in oil quenching using the same material. Moreover, he carefully placed the blade in the water. When a red-hot blade is placed in a coolant, the coolant evaporates and creates a vapor jacket. The vapor jacket cuts off the contact between the blade and the coolant, slowing down the cooling process. This often prevents the blade from hardening. So when oil quenching, the blade is moved in oil. When water quenching, the vapor jacket can be used to slow down the cooling rate, which is too fast. Eric seems to be not only a good bladesmith, but also a good competitor.
Well, no. He actually says he thought the other guy said "water", when he really said "hotter". So he assumed the other guy was saying their steel needed a water quench. Which is odd to assume, but the guy *was* going toward the barrels of water.
@@MGower4465 The mishearing was not a big deal. Eric would not have made such a mistake if he did not have a proper knowledge of quenching. And what Jared said and how the blade should be treated are two different matter.
You seem to be very knowledgeable.
Could you guide a bit whats a good resource to learn about forging theory?
I can't actually practice it. But would love to learn in-depth about forging.
@@sierrahhofzon3878 My source is the "Mechanical Engineering" bookshelf in the library, so my knowledge is basic and accessible to everyone.
@@Heuroya I seee!
Even when guys and gals lost you didn't feel that way, because of how he treated each and every blade Smith, giving a huge handshake and a pat on the back really makes a difference, at least to me it does .
It's one of the reasons I liked the show better with Wil than the later seasons with Grady. Wil always asked the departing competitor to shake his, the judges, and the other competitors hands before leaving the forge.
that's insane, water quench and a drop but survived the cut
Water quench is traditional in a lot of kinds of forging... for good reasons. For some metals it works well. For some it doesn't.
just with how many fails I've seen I'm glad he actually got it right (haven't seen full episode)
The worst thing that Forged in fire ever made was not having wil come back on the show !!! Wil is a stone cold veteran and has class, he brought a lot to this show and it was a huge mistake of not having him back !!! That's my honest opinion .
Oh he has stated he has no interest in coming back till they fix the corruption
Will is the cringe lord and the worst thing is that he hasn't been kicked out lot sooner.
It was Will's decision to leave because his child was born so he decided to focus on his family.
The Best channel in the RUclips 🔥🔥
Would wish to know what episode from s3 this is.. to see the test of the blades and finished product
All 4 of them made equally beautiful blades
these new thumbnails are so funny :)
Please do an episode in which the participants who left first are brought back and made to make a blade reusing the weapon that they failed with
I miss Wil Willis as a host. I'd really like to see more of the judges in depth deliberations
I remember how this full episode ended.
the host's barber was looking at a picture of a dog
The weird beard guy looks a lot like Heath Ledger.
Will 🔥🔥🔥
Always very short videos.. It would be more interesting if it was longer 15-20 mins 😅will be fine
who up Forging their Fire rn?
I see a lot of comments is not much viewers like a new host grady only like watching will willis,can anyone help explain why?i'm vietnam
Too complicated to explain in a sentence or two.
Actually not complicated at all. ....
This show started as a nish project, a small litlle show with a host and three experts. Will, always had this aura of a veteran who is a natural leader. The way he presented the show was unique. So at one point (same with UK Top Gear 2002-2015 or Wheeler Dealers up to season 13) this show became more then a show. The Experts and Will became a cult of their own. This happens when the personalitys became greater then the show itself. When Will decided to quit TV to spend time with his family, they had to find a new host.
This one had to do his own style and not copy what came before. So the presenting format changed slightly (i mean its still about forging, time and testing) humans dont like change, so they cry for Will to come back. (I liked Will better too, but its okay to me)
@@thomasnieswandt8805 Definitely liked Wil better, as well. Grady does a fine job, and I still love the show.
You know this show is such a waste .. and fake ... show us what the judges can produce flip it lol .... in the cutting .. is so staged it should be done with a robotic arm ... to reproduce the same cutting action and pressure to all the blades I don't know how this show stayed on the air as long as it has ... who are these judges anyway play we got a fact check who they are feels up to me I'd flip the show and say okay you got to make this sword and just see how they do lol ... the show is such scams in just for the ratings , I got a fact check these judges ... if they're outstanding upstanding 1 ... how long have they been swordsmith's .. they want them to make a katana ... in 3 hours .. I would buy that show and then tell him know this show is going to be you coming over the other side of the table and you making this sword ... and if you all fail you're all off as judges will get new ones ... the most useless show on TV
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😮😮 it's kind of hilarious that these judges are judging others ... you know how hard it is the forge a sword in 3 hours .. it was up to me I would put the claws in their that every 3 months they would have to flip and come on over to the other side of the bench and make a sword themselves .. it's a show ... we're not talking swordsmith's like they have in Japan make the katana .. ... to make a true katana it takes over a month to make ... the expect these guys to produce a sword in what 3 hours in front of them ... what a joke
They actually do have contestant vs judge challenges a lot.. go check them out
Whenever i open a new knife from its packaging, i always make a little tear, so i can rip the package open in one pull, to let the knife fall onto the ground. Normally a wooden floor...i won't do this over concrete...but its a symbolic gesture. If the knife takes no damage, I'll keep it. But if the tip bends or any hardware comes loose, i discard that knife.
A true master swordsman will never fight a sword fight with anyone. Because, he knows he would win, at the cost of taking anothers life.