Yeah, the reason the Brabham BT52 looked like a lawndart, was because it was initially designed as a ground effect car, but after the gruesome death of Gilles Villeneuve and the massive crash of Didier Pironi, FISA (the governing body of F1 back then) decided to ban ground effect next year onward...
The timing of this video is perfect. Only yesterday I went back to AMS2 for the first time in months specifically to try out the historic formula cars via a Quest 3 after watching another YT video about them in action. Fantastic fun however going back to GT3s afterwards was a bit of a downer :-(
Very nice video, even if a little more on the fun side - not much new to learn here if you have been busy browsing Wikpedia and RUclips for tidbits about F1's different eras, but it provides a great overview. AMS2's representation of these different eras - especially with the additional sharpening they've gotten in the beta - is truly something you can't get out of the box anywhere else, even though you of course can get all this and more with AC's mods (but with very much varying quality). Too bad these cars are absolutely not used in online racing. I've never quite understood why there is so much trouble with them, why people don't struggle with GT3 cars but can't push a formula car even somewhat close to its limits. A 90's or 70's formula race can absolutely be a lot of fun, but finding enough people who know how to drive these cars is impossible. Much respect for delivering all these laps on Monaco of all tracks ^^
Great Video, Nils! Really enjoyed it! I really love AMS2 and I think this sim is truly a love letter to motorsports in general. Formula cars are pretty fantastic - I have of course no idea wether they are realistic or not, never driven such a car, surely never will. But they feel great, immersive - especially sound is really good - and they are fun!
3:44 Soft tyres? Nope, they were rock hard, could last several Grand Prix's and because of the Diagonal construction... any sideways force would deform the contact patch, making it difficult to control it when cornering.
Nice narration while I had to input ungodly amount of invoices in accounting software. Anyhow, race lap times are actually pretty similar from mid 2000 to now. 1:15 in 2006 and 1:15 in 2022. Yes, Qualy times are way faster now. In the past, I checked other tracks, like Spa, Canada,... Similar race lap times. If we went wild and threw away any regs and safety, then I think we'd have rocketships on wheels. With 2026, if engine regs stays as they are now, we'll get 5+ sec slower cars. See video: Engineering Explained: Is Formula 1 About To Get Really Slow? (You can't get around physics. Also, Nils Heusinkveld made a similar video when 50% electrification was announced, and came to the same conclusion.)
The BMW engine in the Brabham in 1983 produced 640bhp in race spec and 700bhp in qualifying. Over the next few years it was developed to produce 1400bhp in qualifying in 1986. Reiza have done a poor job at recreating the 1983 turbo cars, they have far too much power. I watched the 1983 season at the time, "yes I am old", and bought the literature from the time. BMW themselves released a statement before the penultimate GP at Brands Hatch, stating that their engine Produced 640 in the race and 700 in qualifying. The BMW wasn't even the most powerful engine for the most part of 1983. The Ferrari was the most powerful for the majority of the season, as they used special qualifying engines. Not until the Dutch GP at Zandvoort did the BMW surpass the Ferrari in terms of power.
I dont know why ppl love driving gt3 and the like. Slow, sluggish, takes forever. At least in sims. Dont know if it's a skill isuue (probably not) but i dont get why people would rather race them than formula cars or cars with good downforce at least. I am a formula 1 fan so maybe others just arent 🤷🏾
The average sim racer can't drive open wheelers competitively, even though they might be huge Formula 1 fans. When I race with people at my level, we crash. When I race with more talented racers, I'm getting lapped pretty quickly. Box cars are a bit more forgiving.
For me it’s the relatability of the cars. Sports car racing is imo way more intriguing for me. Also the irl races have way more overtaking and side-by-side action than F1. I don’t really like F1. For me these cars are glorified karts, not real cars.
GT racing is quite different, position switches occur more often, the cars usually can take a lot more than formula cars, so racing can be more exciting. Aaaaannnd GT racing is also more accessable to most people in real life... sure, you still need a ton of money to compete in a GT class, but formula one is unreachable to 99,999% of motorsport drivers. Which is fine, so it's a goal for aspiring drivers to get into formula racing and especially F1. I personally prefer GT racing, but as an old F1 fan I don't deny formula racing- pretty much the same like Nils mentioned, I also was a big F1 watcher during the mid 90s to mid/end 2000s. But I have to admit that I have come to appreciate modern F1 more and more... not only because of the Neflix show (yeah, it's more drama, but still nice to watch), but those cars are real masterpieces of engineering. Let's say this: GT3 draws a lot of people because there is a lot of GT3 sim content on YT and GT3s are of course slower than F1, but faster than "tuned pimp my ride" cars like in Need For Speed or other Fast-and-Furious type of games. AMS2 does a great job to bring F1 to your sim... way better than the official game. And if you really want the real names and liveries... there are mods for that. The only thing missing of course is the diversity of the real cars, you can only plaster the "standard Reiza F1 car" with the real liveries. But I personally prefer that over the somewhat strange handling of the official F1 games.
- Formula cars are just difficult to drive. GT3 is in a sweet spot where it's approachable for newcomers but there is still a high skill ceiling. - GT cars are just cool and there are much greater differences between them, yet they can all compete more or less on equal footing because of BOP. - As Nils mentions F1 is just underrepresented in hardcore sims because the F1 games themselves simply don't do a good enough job of it. - Because there are already so many people racing GT3s, that's where the most and best competition is so people who want to race online will naturally gravitate to that. - Modern F1, from what I can see, doesn't appeal as much to motorsport enthusiasts anymore. People want to drive GTs because that's where the best action is. If LMU ever gets to a point where it's a good product, I'm sure hypercars will be also very popular for the exact reason, they're the hot stuff right now. GT is also just more accessible irl. Tickets are much cheaper and GT World Challenge races are streamed live for free on RUclips. - Correct me if I'm wrong but lower formula series are actually quite popular on iRacing, idk tho because I don't play iRacing personally.
@@rednoseferrariThis comment makes no sense, as there's always gonna be people in the same pace as you. Even in GT3 it's quite difficult to be in the same pace as alien drivers.
Yeah, the reason the Brabham BT52 looked like a lawndart, was because it was initially designed as a ground effect car, but after the gruesome death of Gilles Villeneuve and the massive crash of Didier Pironi, FISA (the governing body of F1 back then) decided to ban ground effect next year onward...
The timing of this video is perfect.
Only yesterday I went back to AMS2 for the first time in months specifically to try out the historic formula cars via a Quest 3 after watching another YT video about them in action.
Fantastic fun however going back to GT3s afterwards was a bit of a downer :-(
they're just so slow in comparison :D
Best sim is still Grand Prix legends , the sound and slippery physics makes that game so fun
Very nice video, even if a little more on the fun side - not much new to learn here if you have been busy browsing Wikpedia and RUclips for tidbits about F1's different eras, but it provides a great overview. AMS2's representation of these different eras - especially with the additional sharpening they've gotten in the beta - is truly something you can't get out of the box anywhere else, even though you of course can get all this and more with AC's mods (but with very much varying quality). Too bad these cars are absolutely not used in online racing. I've never quite understood why there is so much trouble with them, why people don't struggle with GT3 cars but can't push a formula car even somewhat close to its limits. A 90's or 70's formula race can absolutely be a lot of fun, but finding enough people who know how to drive these cars is impossible.
Much respect for delivering all these laps on Monaco of all tracks ^^
Well, probably because GT3 have driving aids, much less power and don't have a tiny window of operation to be driven at for being competitive
Great Video, Nils! Really enjoyed it! I really love AMS2 and I think this sim is truly a love letter to motorsports in general. Formula cars are pretty fantastic - I have of course no idea wether they are realistic or not, never driven such a car, surely never will. But they feel great, immersive - especially sound is really good - and they are fun!
Wow! It was really brave to choose Monaco for this comparison. But, you nailed it.
I see an AMS 2 Video and i upvote :3
Heck, i see a Nils Video, i upvote
Fr 😂
3:44 Soft tyres? Nope, they were rock hard, could last several Grand Prix's and because of the Diagonal construction... any sideways force would deform the contact patch, making it difficult to control it when cornering.
Nice narration while I had to input ungodly amount of invoices in accounting software. Anyhow, race lap times are actually pretty similar from mid 2000 to now. 1:15 in 2006 and 1:15 in 2022. Yes, Qualy times are way faster now. In the past, I checked other tracks, like Spa, Canada,... Similar race lap times. If we went wild and threw away any regs and safety, then I think we'd have rocketships on wheels.
With 2026, if engine regs stays as they are now, we'll get 5+ sec slower cars. See video: Engineering Explained: Is Formula 1 About To Get Really Slow? (You can't get around physics. Also, Nils Heusinkveld made a similar video when 50% electrification was announced, and came to the same conclusion.)
he's always a step ahead of me! :)
The battle of the two Ni(e)ls: Heusinkveld throws meme cars at Naujoks while Naujoks calmly analyzes them and gives us setup advice.
Just an idea.
great video
We need 1950s F1 cars in Automobilista 2! Then we will have cars from every decade of F1 history.
The BMW engine in the Brabham in 1983 produced 640bhp in race spec and 700bhp in qualifying. Over the next few years it was developed to produce 1400bhp in qualifying in 1986.
Reiza have done a poor job at recreating the 1983 turbo cars, they have far too much power. I watched the 1983 season at the time, "yes I am old", and bought the literature from the time. BMW themselves released a statement before the penultimate GP at Brands Hatch, stating that their engine Produced 640 in the race and 700 in qualifying.
The BMW wasn't even the most powerful engine for the most part of 1983. The Ferrari was the most powerful for the majority of the season, as they used special qualifying engines. Not until the Dutch GP at Zandvoort did the BMW surpass the Ferrari in terms of power.
The car selection image changed?
idk tbh
No clutch??
no h-shifter here
I dont know why ppl love driving gt3 and the like. Slow, sluggish, takes forever. At least in sims. Dont know if it's a skill isuue (probably not) but i dont get why people would rather race them than formula cars or cars with good downforce at least. I am a formula 1 fan so maybe others just arent 🤷🏾
The average sim racer can't drive open wheelers competitively, even though they might be huge Formula 1 fans. When I race with people at my level, we crash. When I race with more talented racers, I'm getting lapped pretty quickly. Box cars are a bit more forgiving.
For me it’s the relatability of the cars. Sports car racing is imo way more intriguing for me. Also the irl races have way more overtaking and side-by-side action than F1. I don’t really like F1. For me these cars are glorified karts, not real cars.
GT racing is quite different, position switches occur more often, the cars usually can take a lot more than formula cars, so racing can be more exciting. Aaaaannnd GT racing is also more accessable to most people in real life... sure, you still need a ton of money to compete in a GT class, but formula one is unreachable to 99,999% of motorsport drivers. Which is fine, so it's a goal for aspiring drivers to get into formula racing and especially F1.
I personally prefer GT racing, but as an old F1 fan I don't deny formula racing- pretty much the same like Nils mentioned, I also was a big F1 watcher during the mid 90s to mid/end 2000s. But I have to admit that I have come to appreciate modern F1 more and more... not only because of the Neflix show (yeah, it's more drama, but still nice to watch), but those cars are real masterpieces of engineering.
Let's say this: GT3 draws a lot of people because there is a lot of GT3 sim content on YT and GT3s are of course slower than F1, but faster than "tuned pimp my ride" cars like in Need For Speed or other Fast-and-Furious type of games.
AMS2 does a great job to bring F1 to your sim... way better than the official game. And if you really want the real names and liveries... there are mods for that. The only thing missing of course is the diversity of the real cars, you can only plaster the "standard Reiza F1 car" with the real liveries. But I personally prefer that over the somewhat strange handling of the official F1 games.
- Formula cars are just difficult to drive. GT3 is in a sweet spot where it's approachable for newcomers but there is still a high skill ceiling.
- GT cars are just cool and there are much greater differences between them, yet they can all compete more or less on equal footing because of BOP.
- As Nils mentions F1 is just underrepresented in hardcore sims because the F1 games themselves simply don't do a good enough job of it.
- Because there are already so many people racing GT3s, that's where the most and best competition is so people who want to race online will naturally gravitate to that.
- Modern F1, from what I can see, doesn't appeal as much to motorsport enthusiasts anymore. People want to drive GTs because that's where the best action is. If LMU ever gets to a point where it's a good product, I'm sure hypercars will be also very popular for the exact reason, they're the hot stuff right now. GT is also just more accessible irl. Tickets are much cheaper and GT World Challenge races are streamed live for free on RUclips.
- Correct me if I'm wrong but lower formula series are actually quite popular on iRacing, idk tho because I don't play iRacing personally.
@@rednoseferrariThis comment makes no sense, as there's always gonna be people in the same pace as you. Even in GT3 it's quite difficult to be in the same pace as alien drivers.