Felipe Massa might try to invalidate the 2008 Singapore GP 😳
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- Опубликовано: 6 апр 2023
- Felipe Massa is exploring options to question the validity of the 2008 Singapore Grand Prix (AKA Crashgate), as well as the outcome of the 2008 F1 Championship, which he missed out on winning it by 1 point.
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I do feel bad for Massa, but there is no way anything come from this. The pandora's box this would open would be nightmarish.
Absolutely tremendous scenes would occur
I don’t feel bad for him, if he had scored a point or 2 instead of spinning out then yeah you know
@@itswais77he was on track to win the Singaporean GP that year.
After Nelson Piquet Jr.’S crash brought out the yellow he was still likely to win if Ferrari hadn’t stuffed up his pit stop.
If Massa had won that race and Lewis ended up 4th, Massa would have one the championship by 10pts (if my maths is correct).
Massa definitely deserved to win the championship though Lewis didn’t do anything wrong either.
I feel really sorry for Massa though think it would be opening Pandora’s box to revise the results now.
To do so would invite who knows how many races to be called into question.
@@shaunmclaughlin5167 The fact that the Ferrari was considerably better than the McLaren and how the penalty in Belgium robbed Lewis of a win makes Lewis definitely a deserving champion
@@askeladden5764 Massa was leading the Hungary GP when his engine blew up as well, and you cant really say that the Ferrari was "considerably better". Just the year before they were really close, but in 2008 Hamilton had a not-that-good teammate
Unfortunately, that's seemingly the only way I can see a Ferrari world champion any time soon.
haha true and thing is just like today in reality they them selves fucked it up in classic ferrari pitstop action
things have changed a bit😂
@@barrylyndononlyfans Lois can't fix a pit crew
If this goes through, bet Hamilton will appeal for 2021 😂
hehe Maxie. You know, when Martin Brundle says on air you've, "been a little naughty" he really means, "You done fucked up son."
And he would be in the right 🤷
Ye
And that would change nothing, Max would still be champion.
It's different than crashgate.
Massa knows it'll never be overturned. He's just seeking to have something done, like acknowledgement or damages etc.
He wants money
@@eden5260 nah it means more to him surely you never competed in sports the last thing you care about when something like this happened is money lol and i'm sure he has enough of that
He claims this not about money even though monetary damages are all he can hope to achieve. Even so, he would have to name and sue Bernie Ecclestone and Max Moseley in any action. They would be defendants in any civil suit!!
Not true
So Fernando Alonso didnt question the strange strategy to pit him much earlier than all cars and end up winning?😅
He ended up winning and played stupid, which worked wonderfully.
Fernando may be a great driver but he always liked to complain about racism and favouritism while being the most toxic driver on The grid
@@eden5260 Alonso toxic ?? 😅😅😅😅😅😅
@@Perrocko tell me you're 12 without telling me your 12 lol.
Been watching the guy since his first day in F1 mate, he wasn't always 41 you know .
@@eden5260 I'm 35 bro I've been watching f1 since shumacher debut
They’re never going back to a race that was 15 years ago and changing the results. Sry Felipe
Omg if this happened imagine what Team LH would do🤦🏻♂️
Even then Max still win 21
If void the whole race
@@WhosManIsThis they could argue for Monaco too
@@konigsegg_1to1 then Max gonna argue for British GP.
@@WhosManIsThis yes, do agree on that. Then there is Monza etc - it will be red bull and Mercedes punching each others balls for their drivers
Absolutely nothing 🤣🤣🤣. Reverse that decision and other reviews would be required. Alonso would lose his championship and Max would lose his first. TeamLH is not phased by this. 🤣🤣🤣
It's important to note that if the race was disqualified right after it happened it would be much different than after the season. How many points they have changes the landscape and how willing they are to take risks. If justice was done in the beginning as it should have, Lewis might still have won anyway
Even then it doesn't make sense.
The crash had nothing to do with Hamilton and both him and Massa and the rest of the grid excluding a few were dealing with the same situation.
He lost because of his team
@@eden5260Massa himself said on a Brazilian podcast that the guys on his team were nervous and one of them ended up letting him go earlier. They had to be quick to not only release him fast enough so he could get a good position but also to deal with Massa's companion who was right behind his car. So the planned accident did have an influence on Ferrari's mistakes, because if it hadn't happened, the pit stop would have been different and they would have been calmer to release him.
He lost because of a mistake if his team
No one can tell how the race would finish without the fake crash
Wait 2008 was 15 years ago?
I was born after a few days after sebs 1st win and I’m going to collage in abt 6 months 💀
The crash wasnt even the reason he lost the championship. When the caution came out, Massa came in to pit and Ferrari messed up the stop as usual. I believe the gas can was still in the car when Massa left his stall. So, if the stop was good, Massa could've still won the championship
But Massa said on a brazilian podcast that the guys at the pit stop were nervous, and one of them ended up clicking the button to release him earlier. If Alonso's team hadn't done what they did, they probably wouldn't have been so nervous to release Massa and he would have made the pit stop calmly. The pit stop error was a consequence of the confusion caused by the planned accident.
If Massa gets his way then Lewis will definitely challenge the 2021 result
Abhu dhabi 2021 woould follow this prescedence
If he had made a legal challenge as soon as the truth came out I would have no issue with this but over ten years later this is ridiculous.
You don't get it do you? The truth came out in 2009. It was too late to appeal cos the rule was that if the driver was crowned champion it couldn't be overturned. So he didn't appeal because he couldn't. The difference now is that they admitted knowing about it in 2008 when an appeal was possible. So they've admitted corruption and hiding the truth and preventing appeals. It's completely different. It's not like massa took 14yrs to kick up a fuss. Bernie just publicly admitted they knew and covered it up. Can you not see the difference?
Only 10 years later Bernie Ecclestone told the truth about what happened that year, and all the manipulation to try to hide it from the public that year. There was a rule that the GP result couldn't get canceled after a certain period of time, but what what Ecclestone said makes clear that F1 knew about that, before that time limit. That scandal wouldn't even get knew by the public if it wasn't for Piquet's son being fired by Renault.
Massa was a great team driver to Schumacher, Massa deserves the win and the championship.
No driver deserves to be a world champion unless they win the world championship. Being a good team mate or good person should not have anything to do with.
@@lloydgross5762 It is an observation the rules are the rules if he gets the win he gets the win and the championship. His driving history is a matter of record which I indicate. Capiche?
@@lloydgross5762 depends. Gilles or stirling moss should have won a championship. Even Kubica 2008 is bmw did cae about upgrades than year
@@sambananas4513 He could have won, on the track and not in a court room. If he didn’t leave the pits in Singapore with fuel hose attached, dropping back to last and not scoring a single point. So instead of just beating Hamilton on track that day or even scoring a single point, he could have won the championship. But instead he wants the court to do it bc the race shouldn’t have counted is pathetic in my opinion. What Renault did, didn’t effect Massa’s race anyway.
@@lloydgross5762it did affect. Massa said on a brasilian podcast that the guys on his team were nervous, so one guy pressed the button to release him earlier. They were nervous not only because they had to release him fast enough so he could get a good position but also because they had to deal with his teammate who was right behind his car. If the crash hadn't happened, there wouldn't have been the confusion of all the cars entering the pits at the same time and the guys from the Ferrari team would have been much calmer following the original strategy and thus releasing him more calmly and at the right time.
Maybe Massa should have not driven off with his fuel hose and maybe he would have been able to score a single point in the Singapore GP. It’s pathetic and he’s going to lose a lot of respect for it. Also that was round 12, he had plenty of other chances to out score Lewis on track and didn’t do it.
its not his fault he drove with the fuelhose
@@dctrsnapl still doesn’t deserve a championship. You have to win them not litigate them
Exactly!!
He can disqualify Alonso, but he can not invalidate the whole gp because a team cheated which was found out a year later
I dont think it will go through because its so long ago
ik piquet crashed causing the sc and causing massa to pit but it was Ferrari who fucked up the stop
Partially. In a Brazilian podcast, Felipe said that the guys on the team were nervous because of the confusion of all the cars entering the pit at the same time. Not only did they have to release him early so he could get a good position, but they also had to prepare for the car behind that was about to enter the pits right after Massa. One of the guys ended up pressing the button to release him earlier and then happend what we know that happened. So if the crash hadn't happened, most likely they would have followed the original strategy and released him at the right time.
Let it go mate
DO IT!!!
I think Hamilton is secretly willing this to happen so then he can plead his cause about 2021 Max is the one who has the most to lose here
The two scenarios are not the same. The only remedy for Hamilton is to invalidate the race result of abu dhabi 2021. If the race result is invalidated, then Max would still be champion because he had more points than Hamilton before the race.
@rsamancunian5609 they would argue to invalidate the last lap and have the race finish in order before masi fucked up
McLaren has brighter red than Ferrari...
If this actually happens and his title is taken away from him, me being a Max fan would like the 2021 title to be awarded to Lewis
gigachad Verstappen fan 👏🏻
The crash had no effect on Ferrari’s awful pit debacle. Massa had a chance the win and failed.
Exactly
I don't know by the race back then, but according to the F1 rule if there is any suspect and after that a confirmation of corruption in one race so ALL the race will be invalidated. Massa isn't saying that he went harmed during the race, he just wants that the F1 follow the rules and cancel the race results.
Massa himself said on a Brazilian podcast that the guys on his team were nervous and one of them ended up letting him go earlier. They had to be quick to not only release him fast enough so he could get a good position but also to deal with Massa's companion who was right behind his car. So the planned accident did have an influence on Ferrari's mistakes, because if it hadn't happened, the pit stop would have been different and they would have been calmer to release him.
If Felipe gets his championship than Lewis should get his championship from2020.
Tell me you know nothing about F1 without telling me you know nothing about F1
massa deserves the championship 👏 the corruption back then and the characters involved robs massa of his outstanding performance
So now Hamilton is crashgate champion?
If anything would happen from this, it would end up disqualifying Renault from the race and Massa still wouldn't be champion based on those results. There is no way invalidating one race because cheating happened by one party results in invalidating a whole race (would think it would result in a lot of races getting the same treatment by that same reasoning).
Lewis Hamilton 6 times world champignon
If Lewis has to give this up max has to give his up too
I’m Brazilian and as much as I like Felipe I think it’s really sad that after all this years he’s trying in Court take a title Lewis won on the track. If he get’s it, will him really few okay with it?
Poor Massa 15 yrs later still can’t get over it
The only possible action that can be taken which doesn't have every other team and driver who raced in the 2008 season/SingaporeGP immediately launching lawsuits of their own against Massa and Bernie (because voiding the entire race result is overly broad; why punish everyone for the shenanigans of a single team?) would make Hamilton 2008 champ by an even wider margin. It ain't happening. Stop poking the Team LH crazies with the false hope stick.
if Massa is successful, Hamilton needs to challenge the 2021 result and Damon Hill should challenge the result of the 1994 championship. if all successful, Hamilton stays on 7, Hill increases to 2, Schumacher reduces to 6, and Verstappen reduces to 1.
i feel bad for him but why he is talking about it now, after X years, doesnt make sense
This proves mass doesnt deserves it just look guys massa isnt effected by this incident clearly, massa hamilton just raced hamilton got 3rd place while massa didnt apart from this incidenr these two drivers were racing why would he demand to cancel this race bcuz he didnt finish early if he was in front place he will never say that will he (lets think it as a normal win)
But he made a lot of mistakes that season
that doesnt mean anything, he just wants race result from Singapore invalidated due to the cheating which he argue results doesn't count because of the cheating by renault
But still was the best driver that year and would have won the championship if it was not for his team mistakes...
Well hamilton was robbed of the 2021 title so f1 has never been fair.
NEVER GONNA HAPPEN OR LEWIS WOULD HAVE 8 TITLES RIGHT NOW
Even if it happens he still be 7 time world champion
I don't feel bad for Massa at all. The Singapore GP was won by Fernando Alonso. Lewis Hamilton finished 3rd on track. Massa foolishly took off from a botched pit stop with a fuel rig attached to his car. He subsequently was penalized and ended up in last place!! A proper out come would be to invalidate Alonso's victory and not the entire race which would elevate Hamilton to a 2nd place finish!! This whole "controversy" is nonsense and Massa has been crying about it ever since!! He never matched his own performance in that season again in his career!! Sour grapes!!
Massa Wins by his Hose stuck to his car and Lewis loses 2008 and 2021 because of the Final one lap super showdown WWE style 😂
Bottas should have been told to crash at Abu Dhabi
Let me guess Bernie owns Massa's legal team¿¿¿
it's a f-ed ferrari mistake and a massa spin. he crashed way before the race would have completed. massa would have finished in a good place atleast he didn't spin. and hes now claiming for a title? pity 😂
I remember watching that whole season…it was crazy. Massa was the better driver that year.
Got favoured by the fia in spa and bottled it in Australia and especially Britain. 5 spins and getting lapped..: better driver my ass
Nah he binned it by himself way too many times
Did you skip Australia, Malaysia and Britain?
To each their own I guess. He and Hamilton made multiple errors but Hamilton's highs were much higher.
People seem to have forgotten that the FIA found out that Renault did it deliberately 1 year after the 2008 Singapore GP.
No. The F1 CEO at the time recently said that Hamilton's title didn't count for him due to the cheat in Singapore and that Mass should have won. He said this because according to him, they knew about Renault's plan 2 months (or close to that) after everything had happened. This statement caused Massa to bring this back to the surface to see if he can recover the situation. Did you really watched the video?
Spa 2008 should be looked at then
So Lewis is actually at 6 lol
Then Lewis would challenge the Validity of the Abu Dhabi GP in 2021. I think if the 2008 season gets flipped, so should the 2021 season.
Still 7. It’s just Massa is still crying and coping unnecessarily when he got lapped by his rival and spun 5 times. He’s crying because in a faster car he bottled it 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂such a shit driver
@@andrewwinslow9315 then it would be a tie and Max would still win based off of more wins.
@@ryangarner570 Oh I forgot about that. Or they disqualify Max on accounts of Cheating
@@andrewwinslow9315 if you are referring to the cost cap breach, look back at how spygate was handled: it was the team's actions and not those of the driver, so in the most extreme punishment, RB would lose all constructors pts but Max and Checo would keep driver's pts, just as Alonso and Lewis did in 2007.
If this happened, Lewis hamilton would still be a 7 time world champion. iykyk.
It won’t happen.
This definitely means that the race should be invalidated and championship given to Massa who truly deserves it
If thats the case they should give Hamilton the 2021 title
@@hmsfan9max still wins if they invalidate Abu Dhabi
It was only Renault that cheated. So should Nico Rosberg have his podium taken away from him and every other driver that got a result that day. Bernie just made ludicrous claims about that race. Just like he has always done. If any action was taken at the time only Alonso would lose his race win. And everyone else would move up. As no one else cheated. Which would mean Hamilton still wins by 2 more points. So he didn't need to pass glock.
@@hmsfan9 no, they shouldn’t
At most, Alonso is disqualified which elevates everyone else!! Massa still loses the championship!!
I've always felt a bit sorry for Massa as this was his only real chance of winning a WC but if he was awarded it now (based on the ramblings of renowned shit stirrer Bernie Ecclestone) it would be a very hollow victory as we would all remember Lewis Hamilton as the 08 WC
Lol it is not gonna happen😂😂
i hope this happens, this just say how much hamilton inst sooo good after all.
he prob doesnt win all the 7 titles with another car.
@@arashi8621Hamilton haters are hilarious… get a life! The fact remains that he is a 7-time WDC and your ridiculous comments/opinions on the internet won’t change that.
@@arashi8621 hamilton lives rent free in your head 🤣🤣
@@arashi8621 then Schumacher should be stripped off of 1994 and 2003
@@arashi8621 The Ferrari was literally better than McLaren in 2008 but okay
Clown
Won't happen
it's good to remember Jesus Christ is the redeemer of mankind Hallelujah happy Easter! Glory to God!
Massa needs cash. Nothing more, nothing less. If you stoop to this level to ask for ‘reparation’ you are not worth to be called a ‘champion’. Sorry mate, but the sympathy I had for you in the past has vanished with the announcement.
British fans will hate him but he have rights to feel angry and get what belongs to him
Ah ?
ferrari fucked up the stop
Bro is crying that he was 1 Season wonder
He was legitimately robbed of a championship. I guess you've never competed at a high level for anything, but when you are unjustly vilified or have a victory stolen from you (which the whole world agrees on) it tends to stay with you.
He should be having a go note at alonso and Renault than anyone else. It’s obvious alonso knew the plan the word scandal is written all over his name
@@ShinM. 2007/08 he was fantastic but after that, he had like 4 podiums. Btw I'm playing hockey 8 years so I know how IT feels when we lose
@@adam8747bruh after those years he had the accident with the suspension spring. He definitely couldn't be good again 😢
Massa can blame his country man and Lewis can blame Latifi and Massi 😂
Lame driver...
He was robbed. We all know it
So was Senna 89, Prost 90, Hill 94, all the Michelin runners 03, Lewis 21. Let's be honest it was Ferrari that blundered the pit stop. Not Piquet crashing that he lost that day.
Lewis robbed MASSA. MASSA YOU ARE THE WORLD CHAMPION
Max ROBBED LEWIS
LEWIS YOU ARE THE WORLD CHAMPION
@@NicholasGoatifiFan Mercedes ROBBED Crymilton with poor strategy. Crymilton is a FRAUD
@@NicholasGoatifiFan Lewis Crymilton is the SPYGATE CRASHGATE TIMO GLOCK ERROR CHEAT
😂😂😂😂good joke.
Still on copium since 2018. Man max fans are a different breed of copium
Prost robbed senna in 89