I don't think they meant Ultron being "susceptible" to computer viruses as him actually being *"weak"* to them. Think of it like how Superman is susceptible to magic; He doesn't actually have a particular weakness to it the way he does to Kryptonite, but rather is just open to attack by it. Ordinary humans aren't susceptible to computer viruses because the way our organic brains function is completely different, but Ultron being an AI by default means that certain viruses can attack him but not necessarily defeat him like fire to water. EDIT: Also, just thought of something interesting; How would the Sigma Virus actually destroy the Ultron AI? Think of how it operates; It makes reploids incredibly hostile and even insane, driving them to acts of aggression towards humans... except Ultron *already* acts that way. Unlike the Ultron AI, which explicitly infects its consciousness to other mechanical beings like the Phalanx in a hive-mind state, the Sigma Virus doesn't actually control an army in a hive mind state. From how I gathered, the Mavericks that make up Sigma's vast army follow and obey Sigma because they share his ideals and thoughts on eradicating mankind, not because the Sigma Virus directly forces them to act against their will or create a collective conscious hive-mind, and even then reploids like X have been able to resist infection despite their AI clearly not being as advanced as Ultron's. Even if Sigma did somehow infect Ultron, 1.) How would it really affect him considering he's already genocidal to all organic life? 2.) would Ultron even obey him considering he's always been the type to *give* orders, not *recieve* them? 3.) How would he be able to destroy his AI when he can't infect less advanced AIs like that of X?
"He's frequently defeated by viruses that attack his AI directly." *end of death battle* "The only time ultron was bested by a virus..." Excuse me what? Yeah I'm with you my dude. I can see Ultron winning but they said several misleading things leading up to the battle and that's a huge issue death battle has. Love the content!
They specifically state that Ultron's AI is only vulnerable to viruses that are specifically designed to bypass his security specifically (which by itself is incredibly complex), the "Sigma Virus" was not such a virus. More than that, if a virus works on Ultron once, it won't work a second time since Ultron will update his AI to be able to counter the same virus.
TheButterGolum maybe the battles gonna start with Roshi and Jiraiya finding Nightwing's secret 'porn stache' (DBcast reference) and they fight over it.
Im gonna be honest here, I cant really decide on how Jaraiha would win here. I mean Roshis biggest feats were holding off Broly and beating some Freiza soldiers and destroying the moon. And his victories in the Tournament of power weren't as big as the Broly feat but that feat alone is big. Jaraiha cant destroy a moon.
Well if you scale Roshi based on the Manga he was able to hold his own for a bit against Jiren, who is stronger than a God of Destruction (which are Universe+ level beings). Hell, just scaling Roshi based on the DBS Anime would put him many many times light speed and at least solar system level. Heller still, just scaling him based on Dragonball itself means he is a near light speed moon buster.
I think it was pretty misleading that they said: Ultron is often defeated by viruses, but then in the end: Well actually, he was only defeated by viruses that one very specific time. -.- My thought process was similar to yours, that virus thing was the one thing why I also thought Sigma might win, but that was just because they had that misleading line in the analysis...
The weird thing is the time they specify as the "one time" wasn't actually a virus in any traditional sense, it was a failsafe in Ultron's program to shut down his defenses in that very specific point in time put in the original Ultron program back when it was created via time travel shenanigans allowing Age of Ultron, Ultron to be targeted and defeated. The one virus was the time with him turning Tony's body into a woman, and the virus only succeeded in forcing Ultron out of Tony's extremis armor. The comic ended with Ultron's mind popping up on Hank's desktop before going into space to encounter the Phalanx where he preceded to completely overpower their virus...which also eventually let Ultron create the Ultron Virus which is his current form within the Ultron body fused with Hank Pym. So the actual one time that a virus worked on Ultron was immediately followed up by Ultron defeating the Phalanx Virus. And current Ultron also overcame both Vision and Hank fusing with him and attempting to take over his consciousness leading to the whole....Ultron wearing a Hank Pym flesh mask. The Virus comment was misleading on a couple of levels..
@@DimensionalWanderer1 Yeah, the only time i remember that one hacked into Ultron it was Doom when Ultron was dead and one time that a mutant in the UK drove off Ultron because his mutant power was to hack anything in a Commodore 64 ( i think) and Ultron was too advanced to be protected against this kind of atack
@@Motorata661 Commodore 64 is the time with Tony turned into a robotic double of Wasp, Ares was shrunk down and entered the body with the Commodore 64 armed with a virus specifically designed by Hank. In Hank's own words the coding was so out of date Ultron wouldn't have access to the programing language (and they confirmed in Mighty Avengers 5 when Hank picked that system that Tony's systems didn't), basically the computer equivalent of using a dead forgotten language so no one knows what you're saying as you cuss them out. The process would (in Hank's own thought bubble words "hopefully" 2.bp.blogspot.com/IN4_OoiecunVPKvItUm2JbAlQvyeJgc0eT_be8dbpRAcneCaH7Ih7i6QQrSmoOWqXo4M6d7d0Pcodg=s1600 ) reverse and uninstall all the programs she added and "hopefully" revert Tony to normal. Basically Hank was gambling on math that it would even be successful, which it was since according to Reed and Hank Ultron was seconds from achieving perfect AI (whatever that means?) that said that afternoon after all was said and done Ultron was right there on Hanks computer 2.bp.blogspot.com/ccXoITCpy5xTkUrIKB83rlZSkKaME1h9vjClj1SIdsYpDddtZ0CBmyRhQQ67jKOl3YLplmTEsB0tIw=s1600 The Doom thing was Secret Wars and is weird because that was the Ultron the Beyonder brought back into existence, the AI was technically disabled when Doom reprogrammed him due to Galactus slurping all the power out of him like a milkshake so that likely explains that one. The UK thing I can't seem to find anything about.
"..Thor and his hammer and we all know how awesome that thing is." And yet he still can't beat Wonder Woman who is definitely under planet buster in terms of durability.
@@edwardaucay8597 When has Wonder Woman everdisplayed the kind of strength to destroy planets from the shockwaves of her attacks? Her best strength feat is helping to move the Earth. Her speed feats are also questionable as the pieces of that ancient god dude seemed to teleport into the room and then converge on him rather than actually move towards him from all corners of the universe. Heck they seemed to be rotating around him rather than directly moving towards him based on the motion lines. Inb4 Eternity does not weigh infinity. And even if he did it's arguable how much she contributed to lifting him. While half of infinity might be infinity, that's the same as saying she might as well not have been there because it means Superman can lift infinity on his own and having two or three people lifting him wouldn't make a difference. In fact, that's almost proof that Specter does not weight an infinite amount as that would be the only way another person could contribute to lifting him. It's most likely stated in the metaphorical sense like "The weight of the ages has borne heavily upon this old soul", which implies strong will power and goes better with eternity being related to time. Rant over.
theblasblas to answer your question, in terms of speed. Wonder Woman is fast enough to catch up to reverse-flash while he was ahead of her in time. Meanwhile, Thor’s best speed feat was at most just enough to catch up to quicksilver who’s barely even light speed; and as we all know, Reverse Flash is obviously far more faster than quicksilver. In terms of strength, the feat where she lifts the earth at is core as well as the time when she lifted Spectre out of the ground (despite getting help from Superman) proves that she’s 8000 times stronger than Thor as Thor has never been shown to have any strength feats that are comparable to those mentioned. Also, in terms of arsenal. Wonder Woman’s sword is capable of slicing opponents at a microscopic level which is more impressive than any destructive force mjolnir was capable of doing to it’s opponents. Tip: lay off on the salt and just take the L
@@edwardaucay8597 Just wanted to add that they didn't even give Thor Jarnbjorn, his battle axe that is basically the same as WW Sword. An indestructible bladed weapon capable of killing gods. Not saying it would have changed the outcome much.....but she could have probably lost an arm or something like in the Jack vs Afero fight.
@@edwardaucay8597 To reply: 1. She did not catch up to the reverse flash, she "tagged" him. Which is more of a prediction and reflexes feat than a speed feat. It's how slower heroes in the Marvel universe are sometimes able to hit people like Quicksilver. In any case hardly matters in the face of sheer strength and durability. 2. In terms of strength feats... pretty sure blowing up multiple planets with the mere shockwaves of your attacks trumps lifting a single planet. 3. In terms of arsenal, Thor is a master spellcaster capable of conjuring forcefields that can definitely trump a sword that can just cut at the microscopic level. He was even able to tank a multi-galaxy level explosion with a forcefield. It's also difficult to say whether the sword can trump Mjolnir in terms of destructive capability. It's a matter of who they're fighting against. In most instances however, Mjolnir trumps the sword. Thor also has the Godblast. Tip: Learn to logic. Like seriously. I don't know how in your mind lifting a planet makes someone 8000 stronger than someone capable of blowing up multiple planets from the shockwave of his attack. Perhaps you could say that about their lifting strengths, but that hardly matters in combat as much as striking strength .
I'm pretty sure the reason they tend to leave out information that can clearly skew our views of the battle one way or the other is to make it less obvious who wins. Yes, with all available information, Ultron is clearly just on another level entirely to Sigma, but NOT knowing who would win is sort of the point. They tend to give us the deciding, important feats without the numbers behind them so people can still come to their own guesses going into it. If they made it blatantly clear going into the animated battle which side was obviously superior, we'd be watching the battles whilst knowing the outcomes.
I still would love one of those posters, but yeah the next death battle will be interesting, especially the theme, old master pervs, for now your good, it was still very impressive of a fight with these robots, plus the marvel vs capcom joke was very nice
Pre-battle analysis: "Ultron is vulnerable to hacking." Post-battle analysis: "Ultron can't be hacked, it's impossible, they tried with a super virus keyed to Ultron specifically and it barely slowed him down enough to beat him by throwing the entire rest of the universe at him." In many ways this was a good battle, but in terms of misleading analysis, this has to be the worst one ever.
@@benpage11 For starters, even that very narrow thing that you say they said is not true. He wasn't killed by that virus, it just kept him busy. But that's _not_ what they said. Their exact words were: "He is frequently defeated by computer viruses that can attack his AI directly." Every word of that sentence is a lie.
wagnersalom I don't see how it's a stretch, Utlron has taken on and even defeated Thor consistently throughout the comics. Hell, he's even taken on entities like Sentry and Silver Surfer on multiple occasions, both of whom are either as strong or even stronger than Thor and his Mjolnir.
Apparently they strongly considered that but didn't want to go Marvel vs DC again HASN'T STOPPED THEM FROM MAKING THAT THE MOST COMMON MATCHUP WE'VE HAD
Thing is: they can't make it obvious who wins or else the fight is obsolete so they hide the math on some stuff but STILL give you enough to make the right choice
I think the Virus thing is actually more specific than you'd realize with Ultron. Sure, he has been defeated by viruses, but Sigma isn't on the same level of those, considering Ultron probably needs super massive huge brain geniuses to make the viruses against him, so Sigma was probably too weak, and a virus is still code, so it makes sense Ultron could recode him, considering the sheer intelligence difference.
Ris, I know you said a while ago that you had watched a tiny bit of DBZ Abridged. Any chance of getting reactions to that series? Now would be a prime time to do it since they won't be making new episodes until next year, probably later in the year at that.
@@Ris_Grestar They're usually easy to reach on Twitter if you were so inclined. If you do, since you've said you don't remember a lot about the actual series, it's still pretty easy to follow the real story. Just remember stuff like "basically everything that Abridged Popo does or says is stuff they made up" and "what they say happens to a certain character in the future doesn't really happen" and you'll be fine.
I thought Ultron was going to lose too because he had been defeated by a virus before. However I did think on a physical level Ultron had the edge because he could take on all the Avengers at once where I only herd Sigma taking on X and Zero at once. If it makes you feel any better you have still been right 3 more times than me.
I also thought Sigma would win for that reason. But in the start they said Ultron was often defeated by viruses, and after the match they said he was defeated only once.
They technically didn't lie, they said that he constantly is defeated by virus that attack his AI directly, to do that, it first has to bypass his defenses, wich has only happen because he fights against genius that can create machine capable of altering reality
Dean!! Megaman lore explained here if you're interested. Dr Light realized Dr Wily was getting more and more devious with his creations, and feared Rock, aka the original Megaman, would eventually be overpowered and perish, so Light started creating a replacement, X. X was a gentle robot, with the unique ability to basically make his own decisions and form attachment to individuals who seem kind hearted to him. A perfectly free and independent robot. These next details are not concrete, but at some point, Zero, Wily's final and most deadly creation, kills Megaman, once and for all, and apparently gets put back into his stasis pod. Meanwhile, Light is watching over X, afraid to release X to the world right away, fearing mankind's panicked reaction to a robot with free will. So Light, with old age taking it's toll, tells X that his life is ending soon, and places X into a stasis pod for a few more decades with some peacekeeping and justice filled simulations, to help X understand the difference between good And evil. Many years later, Dr Cain Finds X, and you know the rest.
While I doubt this will happen and they'd probably put him against Martian Manhunter (hope not but this is a common suggestion) I want to see the inverse of this, where its the androids that they have fought and are closely related to who fight each other. Basically I want to see X vs Vision, the android who Sigma was based off of vs the android that Ultron created. Both are also based off of previously established characters as well with X being based off of Megaman while Vision was made from the body of the original Human Torch (Jim Hammond, an android who was a WW2 hero fighting alongside Cap and Namor) while his brain patterns were based on Wonder Man. Would be a cool fight and it sounds more interesting than another Marvel vs DC fight where the only real thing in common is they are green and can go intangible.
@@Ris_Grestar You missed the one at the beginning. Again, I know it's a tiny detail, but still... but looking back at your comment., I don't agree, but you do you IG.
That's what I'm saying: I didn't miss the 23andMe commercial, I left it in there out of respect; Ben and his team work hard doing what they do, and they get companies to sponsor them so they can make money off of it. I'm just watching the videos they produce. So, if I can do something to help--like leave in a commercial, if for no other reason than to maintain the original video's integrity--then I shall.
@@Ris_Grestar Oh well, ok. (Ignore the rest of you don't want shameless plug) Well, about tomorrow, my comic will be up. Normally I wouldn't do this, but because I like your content, and need some outside input, do you want to review my comic?
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@@Ris_Grestar a copyright claim of some description. Which I don't get both Marvel and Capcom have been on other death battles. I wonder what the copyright was about? You shouldn't worry the Turtle battle royal was removed once and your channel was fine.
Ris, you do realize that DeathBattle analyzes are very often meant to be misleading? You complain about it like they fucked up something, when something done on purpose to keep the outcome as uncertain as possible.
@@Ris_Grestar wasn't precisely my point. Is wasn't about "bother or not bother me" or "shouldn't bother you" but about "that difference is there ON PURPOSE, they are misleading ON PURPOSE". You can totally not like the idea, but you need to accept the fact that DB is NOT about "giving fair informations before the battle begin"; those are reserved for the post match.
I can accept the fact that it's going to happen, but that doesn't mean I can't complain about it. Life, for instance, is garbage, and terrible things are bound to happen, but that doesn't mean we should be content with those terrible things. But if nothing else, you and my other viewers need to accept the fact that I AM going to complain about them not "giving fair informations before the battle begin," because when they straight-up offer contrary information and then go back on it in their conclusions, that's a flaw in their presentation, and I'll maintain that.
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Roshi is the one who taught Goku the Kamehameha, and he has multiple world martial arts championships under his belt. But, Goku and friends surpass their master over the course of the original Dragonball and Roshi is pretty useless during Dragonball Z. Though I havent seen Resurrection F, so that may not still be the case. All things considered, my money is on Jaraiya.
Spoilers if you still care to see Dragon Ball Super, I will try to make it to where you don't see them unless you want to. While he never gets to the same level as the main characters, in the Frieza Arc of Super he does fight along side the other heroes to fight off Frieza Soldiers and he also takes part in the Tournament of Power, a multiversal tournament with the multiverse's strongest warriors and I think he actually did fairly decent in it. When it comes to most things he is useless since he isn't god like but he is still really powerful, powerful enough that he can at least be fairly useful in a multiverse tournament,
Well if you scale Roshi based on the Dragonball Super manga he was able to hold his own for a bit against Jiren, who is stronger than a God of Destruction (which are Universe+ level beings). Hell, just scaling Roshi based on the DBS Anime would put him many many times light speed and at least solar system level. Heller still, just scaling him based on Dragonball itself means he is a near light speed moon buster.
Well if you scale Roshi based on the Manga he was able to hold his own for a bit against Jiren, who is stronger than a God of Destruction (which are Universe+ level beings). Hell, just scaling Roshi based on the DBS Anime would put him many many times light speed and at least solar system level. Heller still, just scaling him based on Dragonball itself means he is a near light speed moon buster. From what little I know of Naruto I don't think anyone is above Moon-busting level.
demomanchaos late shippenden has naruto at planet when he fought madara but jiraya is town level due to scaing to pain and orochimaru but roshi is moon level with sealing hax note both need there powered up forms for these feats and powers note sage mode is needed to comparable to said characters
@@iris7982 If they use DBS Roshi would be a match for Solar System level characters or higher, especially if they cite him hanging with Jiren in the manga.
demomanchaos 1 super is to inconsistent to scale 2 there not allowed to kill so that means he wouldt try as hard and this is manga since roshi lost against bird man in anime and had a similar technique to ultra instist in the manga (poor toyotaro) but roshi has mufuba which bypasses durability due to its sealing effects
Ok bit of advice here.. do NOT compare the Marvel comic book universe with the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Death battle ALWAYS uses the comics and it’s been confirmed that the characters in the movies are MUCH weaker than their comic book counterparts.
Never watched DBZ, eh? You should watch DBZ Abridged. It's *hilarious,* and it gets better the farther along you go. To the point where quite a lot of people consider it superior to the original. Kinda like SAO and the Abridged version -- only DBZA does admittedly start pretty roughly. But that's ironed out rather quickly. It does have in-jokes for people who are really knowledgeable about the series, but they enhance the hilarity, rather than being the focal points of it. 0You should watch DBZA. And obviously I'd prefer if you did a Let's Watch series, including the specials and the movies, but so long as you watch it, that's the important thing.
That ending makes no sense, this is my third time watching the battle, and it STILL makes no sense, especially considering Sigma wasn't defeated canonically until every single scrap of his virus was SIMULTANEOUSLY removed from ALL technology, if even a shred of Sigma's data remained he would be able to eventually come back, the way they framed the battle is that one specific instance of the Sigma Virus was converted to Ultron's will, not the entirety of the Sigma Virus, and while yes I could see Ultron winning, I figured it would be by destroying every robot to house the Sigma Virus, plus Sigma's origin as a Reploid means he's just like a human in terms of thought: unpredictable, wild, but always with some kind of motivation, and let's not forget, Ultron has been outsmarted in the past, by humans nonetheless, and even ignoring that, Sigma's army on it's own wields Reploids capable of wielding heat that could CERTAINLY melt Ultron's delicate circuitry, and seeing as Sigma commands them, he could've easily had one of them do just that, I could see Ultron winning this battle, but in that case it'd be much more long and drawn out as he'd need to eliminate every scrap of the Sigma Virus, all the while Sigma could look for a gap in Ultron's mental defenses until he found the opening he'd need to overtake his AI, overall though, I'd say it depends ultimately on the mental aspect, with all physical combat being for show, as if Ultron continually developed his own firewalls, he would be unbeatable, leaving him to simply destroy all robots and reploids infected with the Sigma Virus, while Sigma could win by simply finding an opening in Ultron's firewalls, while distracting him with physical combat.
@@creaturetransylvania8943 So you dont like characters with flaws? Everybody has a bad side to them. It is stupid to hate characters for not being pinacles of absolute flawless virtue.
@@blankblank1284 Yeah I agree their is no such thing as perfection and I do think it's dum to hate someone because they are not perfect,it's not that I hate flaws it's that I hate certain flaws like being a pervert.
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I don't think they meant Ultron being "susceptible" to computer viruses as him actually being *"weak"* to them. Think of it like how Superman is susceptible to magic; He doesn't actually have a particular weakness to it the way he does to Kryptonite, but rather is just open to attack by it. Ordinary humans aren't susceptible to computer viruses because the way our organic brains function is completely different, but Ultron being an AI by default means that certain viruses can attack him but not necessarily defeat him like fire to water.
EDIT: Also, just thought of something interesting; How would the Sigma Virus actually destroy the Ultron AI? Think of how it operates; It makes reploids incredibly hostile and even insane, driving them to acts of aggression towards humans... except Ultron *already* acts that way. Unlike the Ultron AI, which explicitly infects its consciousness to other mechanical beings like the Phalanx in a hive-mind state, the Sigma Virus doesn't actually control an army in a hive mind state. From how I gathered, the Mavericks that make up Sigma's vast army follow and obey Sigma because they share his ideals and thoughts on eradicating mankind, not because the Sigma Virus directly forces them to act against their will or create a collective conscious hive-mind, and even then reploids like X have been able to resist infection despite their AI clearly not being as advanced as Ultron's. Even if Sigma did somehow infect Ultron, 1.) How would it really affect him considering he's already genocidal to all organic life? 2.) would Ultron even obey him considering he's always been the type to *give* orders, not *recieve* them? 3.) How would he be able to destroy his AI when he can't infect less advanced AIs like that of X?
Very good thoughts
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Anyone here because the original video was taken down by a copyright claim?
"He's frequently defeated by viruses that attack his AI directly."
*end of death battle*
"The only time ultron was bested by a virus..."
Excuse me what?
Yeah I'm with you my dude. I can see Ultron winning but they said several misleading things leading up to the battle and that's a huge issue death battle has.
Love the content!
It's the same thing just re-worded.
@@jacobulbikas1016 if you thought that was the same thing then you don't know what frequently means.
They have to, the battle wouldn't be entertaining if they made it to obvious
They specifically state that Ultron's AI is only vulnerable to viruses that are specifically designed to bypass his security specifically (which by itself is incredibly complex), the "Sigma Virus" was not such a virus. More than that, if a virus works on Ultron once, it won't work a second time since Ultron will update his AI to be able to counter the same virus.
Yeah it was a bit cheecky and as comicbook fan it kinda pissed me off
Every time a death battle happens in just like SATURDAY SATURDAY.
Roshi vs. Jiraiya. Battle of the Perverted Mentors of two iconic Shonen Protagonists (I.E. Goku for Roshi and Naruto for Jiraiya).
next battle is a draw. roshi and jiraiya will die of nose bleed from a hentai mag....
Yeah but neither of them can transform into a busty woman
@@wessltov who knows maybe Jiraiya picked up on Naruto's technique.
TheButterGolum maybe the battles gonna start with Roshi and Jiraiya finding Nightwing's secret 'porn stache' (DBcast reference) and they fight over it.
@@tldoesntlikebread I'm gonna bet that it starts with them reaching for the last dirty magazine on the rack.
Im gonna be honest here, I cant really decide on how Jaraiha would win here.
I mean Roshis biggest feats were holding off Broly and beating some Freiza soldiers and destroying the moon.
And his victories in the Tournament of power weren't as big as the Broly feat but that feat alone is big.
Jaraiha cant destroy a moon.
I can't wait for the next battle
Well if you scale Roshi based on the Manga he was able to hold his own for a bit against Jiren, who is stronger than a God of Destruction (which are Universe+ level beings). Hell, just scaling Roshi based on the DBS Anime would put him many many times light speed and at least solar system level. Heller still, just scaling him based on Dragonball itself means he is a near light speed moon buster.
I think it was pretty misleading that they said: Ultron is often defeated by viruses, but then in the end: Well actually, he was only defeated by viruses that one very specific time. -.-
My thought process was similar to yours, that virus thing was the one thing why I also thought Sigma might win, but that was just because they had that misleading line in the analysis...
Same here. They need to stop doing that.
The weird thing is the time they specify as the "one time" wasn't actually a virus in any traditional sense, it was a failsafe in Ultron's program to shut down his defenses in that very specific point in time put in the original Ultron program back when it was created via time travel shenanigans allowing Age of Ultron, Ultron to be targeted and defeated.
The one virus was the time with him turning Tony's body into a woman, and the virus only succeeded in forcing Ultron out of Tony's extremis armor. The comic ended with Ultron's mind popping up on Hank's desktop before going into space to encounter the Phalanx where he preceded to completely overpower their virus...which also eventually let Ultron create the Ultron Virus which is his current form within the Ultron body fused with Hank Pym.
So the actual one time that a virus worked on Ultron was immediately followed up by Ultron defeating the Phalanx Virus. And current Ultron also overcame both Vision and Hank fusing with him and attempting to take over his consciousness leading to the whole....Ultron wearing a Hank Pym flesh mask.
The Virus comment was misleading on a couple of levels..
@@DimensionalWanderer1 Yeah, the only time i remember that one hacked into Ultron it was Doom when Ultron was dead and one time that a mutant in the UK drove off Ultron because his mutant power was to hack anything in a Commodore 64 ( i think) and Ultron was too advanced to be protected against this kind of atack
@@Motorata661 Commodore 64 is the time with Tony turned into a robotic double of Wasp, Ares was shrunk down and entered the body with the Commodore 64 armed with a virus specifically designed by Hank. In Hank's own words the coding was so out of date Ultron wouldn't have access to the programing language (and they confirmed in Mighty Avengers 5 when Hank picked that system that Tony's systems didn't), basically the computer equivalent of using a dead forgotten language so no one knows what you're saying as you cuss them out. The process would (in Hank's own thought bubble words "hopefully" 2.bp.blogspot.com/IN4_OoiecunVPKvItUm2JbAlQvyeJgc0eT_be8dbpRAcneCaH7Ih7i6QQrSmoOWqXo4M6d7d0Pcodg=s1600 ) reverse and uninstall all the programs she added and "hopefully" revert Tony to normal. Basically Hank was gambling on math that it would even be successful, which it was since according to Reed and Hank Ultron was seconds from achieving perfect AI (whatever that means?) that said that afternoon after all was said and done Ultron was right there on Hanks computer 2.bp.blogspot.com/ccXoITCpy5xTkUrIKB83rlZSkKaME1h9vjClj1SIdsYpDddtZ0CBmyRhQQ67jKOl3YLplmTEsB0tIw=s1600
The Doom thing was Secret Wars and is weird because that was the Ultron the Beyonder brought back into existence, the AI was technically disabled when Doom reprogrammed him due to Galactus slurping all the power out of him like a milkshake so that likely explains that one.
The UK thing I can't seem to find anything about.
@@DimensionalWanderer1 No i think that it was a Age of ultron Tie in with captain britain at least i think so
Awesome reaction dude
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Green Lantern (DC) VS Nova (Marvel) should be as Episode 1 for Season 6
I think Ghost Rider vs Spawn should be Season Premiere.
I would love Hal VS Nova for season premiere
Cody Lane I have been asking for the same thing
"..Thor and his hammer and we all know how awesome that thing is."
And yet he still can't beat Wonder Woman who is definitely under planet buster in terms of durability.
theblasblas well to be fair it’s true that Thor has the durability advantage. It’s just That Wonder Woman outclasses him everywhere else
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When has Wonder Woman everdisplayed the kind of strength to destroy planets from the shockwaves of her attacks? Her best strength feat is helping to move the Earth. Her speed feats are also questionable as the pieces of that ancient god dude seemed to teleport into the room and then converge on him rather than actually move towards him from all corners of the universe. Heck they seemed to be rotating around him rather than directly moving towards him based on the motion lines.
Inb4 Eternity does not weigh infinity. And even if he did it's arguable how much she contributed to lifting him. While half of infinity might be infinity, that's the same as saying she might as well not have been there because it means Superman can lift infinity on his own and having two or three people lifting him wouldn't make a difference. In fact, that's almost proof that Specter does not weight an infinite amount as that would be the only way another person could contribute to lifting him. It's most likely stated in the metaphorical sense like "The weight of the ages has borne heavily upon this old soul", which implies strong will power and goes better with eternity being related to time. Rant over.
theblasblas to answer your question, in terms of speed. Wonder Woman is fast enough to catch up to reverse-flash while he was ahead of her in time. Meanwhile, Thor’s best speed feat was at most just enough to catch up to quicksilver who’s barely even light speed; and as we all know, Reverse Flash is obviously far more faster than quicksilver.
In terms of strength, the feat where she lifts the earth at is core as well as the time when she lifted Spectre out of the ground (despite getting help from Superman) proves that she’s 8000 times stronger than Thor as Thor has never been shown to have any strength feats that are comparable to those mentioned.
Also, in terms of arsenal. Wonder Woman’s sword is capable of slicing opponents at a microscopic level which is more impressive than any destructive force mjolnir was capable of doing to it’s opponents.
Tip: lay off on the salt and just take the L
@@edwardaucay8597 Just wanted to add that they didn't even give Thor Jarnbjorn, his battle axe that is basically the same as WW Sword. An indestructible bladed weapon capable of killing gods. Not saying it would have changed the outcome much.....but she could have probably lost an arm or something like in the Jack vs Afero fight.
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To reply:
1. She did not catch up to the reverse flash, she "tagged" him. Which is more of a prediction and reflexes feat than a speed feat. It's how slower heroes in the Marvel universe are sometimes able to hit people like Quicksilver. In any case hardly matters in the face of sheer strength and durability.
2. In terms of strength feats... pretty sure blowing up multiple planets with the mere shockwaves of your attacks trumps lifting a single planet.
3. In terms of arsenal, Thor is a master spellcaster capable of conjuring forcefields that can definitely trump a sword that can just cut at the microscopic level. He was even able to tank a multi-galaxy level explosion with a forcefield. It's also difficult to say whether the sword can trump Mjolnir in terms of destructive capability. It's a matter of who they're fighting against. In most instances however, Mjolnir trumps the sword. Thor also has the Godblast.
Tip: Learn to logic. Like seriously. I don't know how in your mind lifting a planet makes someone 8000 stronger than someone capable of blowing up multiple planets from the shockwave of his attack. Perhaps you could say that about their lifting strengths, but that hardly matters in combat as much as striking strength .
I'm pretty sure the reason they tend to leave out information that can clearly skew our views of the battle one way or the other is to make it less obvious who wins. Yes, with all available information, Ultron is clearly just on another level entirely to Sigma, but NOT knowing who would win is sort of the point. They tend to give us the deciding, important feats without the numbers behind them so people can still come to their own guesses going into it. If they made it blatantly clear going into the animated battle which side was obviously superior, we'd be watching the battles whilst knowing the outcomes.
I still would love one of those posters, but yeah the next death battle will be interesting, especially the theme, old master pervs, for now your good, it was still very impressive of a fight with these robots, plus the marvel vs capcom joke was very nice
Pre-battle analysis: "Ultron is vulnerable to hacking."
Post-battle analysis: "Ultron can't be hacked, it's impossible, they tried with a super virus keyed to Ultron specifically and it barely slowed him down enough to beat him by throwing the entire rest of the universe at him."
In many ways this was a good battle, but in terms of misleading analysis, this has to be the worst one ever.
Steampunk Papercut they’re right. Again they said he can be killed by viruses created specifically to kill Ultron
Steampunk Papercut so no. It’s not the worse. It actually makes perfect sense
@@benpage11 For starters, even that very narrow thing that you say they said is not true. He wasn't killed by that virus, it just kept him busy. But that's _not_ what they said. Their exact words were: "He is frequently defeated by computer viruses that can attack his AI directly." Every word of that sentence is a lie.
@Ris Grestar,
Both Ultron and Sigma were both in Marvel VS Capcom game
Duuuuuuu
I do wonder if this was inspired by Ultron-Sigma from Marvel VS Capcom.
Honestly the Mjolnir thing was a strech, but the rest is fine, Ultron is just so OP
Well there was that one time he fought Sentry and was in an exploding star.
wagnersalom I don't see how it's a stretch, Utlron has taken on and even defeated Thor consistently throughout the comics. Hell, he's even taken on entities like Sentry and Silver Surfer on multiple occasions, both of whom are either as strong or even stronger than Thor and his Mjolnir.
Man...whoever decided to claim this deathbattle on Screwattack's channel needs to get slapped...(possibly with both a hand and a lawsuit)
I think they missed a trick here; Ultron vs Brainiac would have been a better match up.
Apparently they strongly considered that but didn't want to go Marvel vs DC again
HASN'T STOPPED THEM FROM MAKING THAT THE MOST COMMON MATCHUP WE'VE HAD
@BJGvideos Well, Marvel and DC are currently exactly even on wins against each other, maybe they want to keep it that way for a bit.
brainiac is far more op then ultron, it would of been a curb stomp. thats why they went with sigma.
Have you watched the latest death battle cast?
+drakota185 Hmm, I dunno. I agree that Brainiac would have won but I think it would have been closer than this.
Spoilers ahead!
I was sad sigma lost this one, but this fight was dope as hell and the music killed it!
Thing is: they can't make it obvious who wins or else the fight is obsolete so they hide the math on some stuff but STILL give you enough to make the right choice
I think the Virus thing is actually more specific than you'd realize with Ultron. Sure, he has been defeated by viruses, but Sigma isn't on the same level of those, considering Ultron probably needs super massive huge brain geniuses to make the viruses against him, so Sigma was probably too weak, and a virus is still code, so it makes sense Ultron could recode him, considering the sheer intelligence difference.
Ris, I know you said a while ago that you had watched a tiny bit of DBZ Abridged. Any chance of getting reactions to that series? Now would be a prime time to do it since they won't be making new episodes until next year, probably later in the year at that.
If they explicitly say reaction videos are fine, then I'll consider it.
@@Ris_Grestar They're usually easy to reach on Twitter if you were so inclined.
If you do, since you've said you don't remember a lot about the actual series, it's still pretty easy to follow the real story. Just remember stuff like "basically everything that Abridged Popo does or says is stuff they made up" and "what they say happens to a certain character in the future doesn't really happen" and you'll be fine.
@@Ris_Grestar Huzzah!
I thought Ultron was going to lose too because he had been defeated by a virus before. However I did think on a physical level Ultron had the edge because he could take on all the Avengers at once where I only herd Sigma taking on X and Zero at once. If it makes you feel any better you have still been right 3 more times than me.
I also thought Sigma would win for that reason. But in the start they said Ultron was often defeated by viruses, and after the match they said he was defeated only once.
KethusNadroev Ultron can only be defeated by viruses created specifically for him
They technically didn't lie, they said that he constantly is defeated by virus that attack his AI directly, to do that, it first has to bypass his defenses, wich has only happen because he fights against genius that can create machine capable of altering reality
Dean!! Megaman lore explained here if you're interested.
Dr Light realized Dr Wily was getting more and more devious with his creations, and feared Rock, aka the original Megaman, would eventually be overpowered and perish, so Light started creating a replacement, X. X was a gentle robot, with the unique ability to basically make his own decisions and form attachment to individuals who seem kind hearted to him.
A perfectly free and independent robot.
These next details are not concrete, but at some point, Zero, Wily's final and most deadly creation, kills Megaman, once and for all, and apparently gets put back into his stasis pod. Meanwhile, Light is watching over X, afraid to release X to the world right away, fearing mankind's panicked reaction to a robot with free will. So Light, with old age taking it's toll, tells X that his life is ending soon, and places X into a stasis pod for a few more decades with some peacekeeping and justice filled simulations, to help X understand the difference between good And evil.
Many years later, Dr Cain Finds X, and you know the rest.
Actually megaman x's creator confirmed zero didn't kill megaman.
@@christiancrusader9374 I'd believe that, seeing as zero was in that pod for decades like X
@@DukeofGames50 my guess is that he was decomissioned after light died.
@@christiancrusader9374 dumb but convenient
@@DukeofGames50 there's also the fact that robot masters have expiration dates. Megaman was probably destroyed because the law said he had to be.
While I doubt this will happen and they'd probably put him against Martian Manhunter (hope not but this is a common suggestion) I want to see the inverse of this, where its the androids that they have fought and are closely related to who fight each other. Basically I want to see X vs Vision, the android who Sigma was based off of vs the android that Ultron created. Both are also based off of previously established characters as well with X being based off of Megaman while Vision was made from the body of the original Human Torch (Jim Hammond, an android who was a WW2 hero fighting alongside Cap and Namor) while his brain patterns were based on Wonder Man. Would be a cool fight and it sounds more interesting than another Marvel vs DC fight where the only real thing in common is they are green and can go intangible.
X's debut to Death Battle will most likely have him fighting Samus or Tony, who might destroy X unfortunately.
There’s only one path to peace.
Peace in my time
The path to peace is ultron
The avengers' extinction.
Hopefully nobody demands this to be taken down.
Agreed.
Could you please edit out the commercial parts? It's such a small detail but makes the video better.
I edit out the commercials that put my video at risk for copyright claims, but I otherwise leave them in out of respect for Ben and his team.
@@Ris_Grestar You missed the one at the beginning. Again, I know it's a tiny detail, but still... but looking back at your comment., I don't agree, but you do you IG.
That's what I'm saying: I didn't miss the 23andMe commercial, I left it in there out of respect; Ben and his team work hard doing what they do, and they get companies to sponsor them so they can make money off of it. I'm just watching the videos they produce. So, if I can do something to help--like leave in a commercial, if for no other reason than to maintain the original video's integrity--then I shall.
@@Ris_Grestar Oh well, ok. (Ignore the rest of you don't want shameless plug)
Well, about tomorrow, my comic will be up. Normally I wouldn't do this, but because I like your content, and need some outside input, do you want to review my comic?
I'm not super familiar with the realm of comics, but feel free to link it to me on Twitter or Facebook! (I assume linking here would auto-hide or -remove the comment.)
Can a virus be destroyed or deleted?
I mean like get rid of the virus entirely
I stayed up till 2 for this
Ultron Sigma'd a race of Sigmas. Which means Ultron super wins.
Really for Roshi vs Jiraiya?
Who would win Lex luthor vs Ultron?
This show is no longer available on Screw Attack.
It's--no? What do you mean?
@@Ris_Grestar a copyright claim of some description. Which I don't get both Marvel and Capcom have been on other death battles. I wonder what the copyright was about? You shouldn't worry the Turtle battle royal was removed once and your channel was fine.
damn I was hoping for Roshi vs Happosai
Ris, you do realize that DeathBattle analyzes are very often meant to be misleading?
You complain about it like they fucked up something, when something done on purpose to keep the outcome as uncertain as possible.
There's a difference in presentation that matters, at least to me. I'm glad it doesn't bother you.
@@Ris_Grestar wasn't precisely my point.
Is wasn't about "bother or not bother me" or "shouldn't bother you" but about "that difference is there ON PURPOSE, they are misleading ON PURPOSE".
You can totally not like the idea, but you need to accept the fact that DB is NOT about "giving fair informations before the battle begin"; those are reserved for the post match.
I can accept the fact that it's going to happen, but that doesn't mean I can't complain about it. Life, for instance, is garbage, and terrible things are bound to happen, but that doesn't mean we should be content with those terrible things. But if nothing else, you and my other viewers need to accept the fact that I AM going to complain about them not "giving fair informations before the battle begin," because when they straight-up offer contrary information and then go back on it in their conclusions, that's a flaw in their presentation, and I'll maintain that.
Will Ris Grestar ever break his losing streak? Will Death Battle ever make Ruby vs Maka? Why am I asking you all these questions? Find out next time on People Bitching About Fiction!
Hey. This video marks a losing streak of one, thank you very much. xD
Also, Roshi once destroyed the moon
If I recall he did it fairly easily too.
+Carl Bertsson, and that was after he almost killed Goku. right afterwards he turned Oozaru. Goku, not Roshi. XD
Darkseid VS Thanos!
roshi taught goku how to use the Kamehama, I can't remember how powerful roshi kamehama was though. i think at best he destroyed a mountain with it.
@richard conaway I don't think he has gotten stronger
Ris: Sigma loses SPOILERS....
Me: Oh come on
Ris:..... at the end of every game.
Roshi is the one who taught Goku the Kamehameha, and he has multiple world martial arts championships under his belt. But, Goku and friends surpass their master over the course of the original Dragonball and Roshi is pretty useless during Dragonball Z. Though I havent seen Resurrection F, so that may not still be the case. All things considered, my money is on Jaraiya.
Spoilers if you still care to see Dragon Ball Super, I will try to make it to where you don't see them unless you want to.
While he never gets to the same level as the main characters, in the Frieza Arc of Super he does fight along side the other heroes to fight off Frieza Soldiers and he also takes part in the Tournament of Power, a multiversal tournament with the multiverse's strongest warriors and I think he actually did fairly decent in it. When it comes to most things he is useless since he isn't god like but he is still really powerful, powerful enough that he can at least be fairly useful in a multiverse tournament,
He blows up the moon in the original dragonball and has gotten stringer since then
Well if you scale Roshi based on the Dragonball Super manga he was able to hold his own for a bit against Jiren, who is stronger than a God of Destruction (which are Universe+ level beings). Hell, just scaling Roshi based on the DBS Anime would put him many many times light speed and at least solar system level. Heller still, just scaling him based on Dragonball itself means he is a near light speed moon buster.
Poor Jiraiya...
To be honest and kind a hoping master Rosi wins the next one
Well if you scale Roshi based on the Manga he was able to hold his own for a bit against Jiren, who is stronger than a God of Destruction (which are Universe+ level beings). Hell, just scaling Roshi based on the DBS Anime would put him many many times light speed and at least solar system level. Heller still, just scaling him based on Dragonball itself means he is a near light speed moon buster. From what little I know of Naruto I don't think anyone is above Moon-busting level.
demomanchaos late shippenden has naruto at planet when he fought madara but jiraya is town level due to scaing to pain and orochimaru but roshi is moon level with sealing hax note both need there powered up forms for these feats and powers note sage mode is needed to comparable to said characters
@@iris7982 If they use DBS Roshi would be a match for Solar System level characters or higher, especially if they cite him hanging with Jiren in the manga.
demomanchaos 1 super is to inconsistent to scale 2 there not allowed to kill so that means he wouldt try as hard and this is manga since roshi lost against bird man in anime and had a similar technique to ultra instist in the manga (poor toyotaro) but roshi has mufuba which bypasses durability due to its sealing effects
In Dragonball he was a multi time world champion before even teaching Goku and the others, way before the entertainer Hercule came along.
The only reason they put roshi against jiraiya is because neither of them could survive no nut November
Ok bit of advice here.. do NOT compare the Marvel comic book universe with the Marvel Cinematic Universe.
Death battle ALWAYS uses the comics and it’s been confirmed that the characters in the movies are MUCH weaker than their comic book counterparts.
lol I know you're right, it's just usually the only relevant knowledge I have, so I subconsciously grasp onto it sometimes.
Next time, that battle of the pervs, unless by later in the story they are not that anymore I dont watch those two anymore
In DBS Roshi overcomes her perviness to fight in the Tournament of Power.
R.I.P Stan Lee
So was this battle a stomp?
It was one-sided yes, but nowhere near as bad as some others like Natsu vs Ace, Bane vs Venom...but ya
Roshi vs Jiraiya?
On no nut november?
_Oh boy..._
What's Sigma?
Never watched DBZ, eh? You should watch DBZ Abridged. It's *hilarious,* and it gets better the farther along you go. To the point where quite a lot of people consider it superior to the original. Kinda like SAO and the Abridged version -- only DBZA does admittedly start pretty roughly. But that's ironed out rather quickly. It does have in-jokes for people who are really knowledgeable about the series, but they enhance the hilarity, rather than being the focal points of it.
0You should watch DBZA. And obviously I'd prefer if you did a Let's Watch series, including the specials and the movies, but so long as you watch it, that's the important thing.
@Ningen Oooh. You're right. Thanks.
Now I'm sad that I can't watch him watch it, but at least he got to experience the awesomeness that is DBZA.
I just learn that STAN LEE is dead 😟😦😢😢😢
Noooooooooooooooo
- vader
Ultron even survived hulk and hulk is stronger the Thor in all universe
That depends on the situation. Hulk's power level is constantly fluctuating up and down.
"In all universe"?
Thor is stronger than hulk tho
@@wildman456 no he's not, the hulk is way stronger, that's because "the angrier he gets the stronger he gets"
@@Sophie_the_Sapphic please tell me your joking
That ending makes no sense, this is my third time watching the battle, and it STILL makes no sense, especially considering Sigma wasn't defeated canonically until every single scrap of his virus was SIMULTANEOUSLY removed from ALL technology, if even a shred of Sigma's data remained he would be able to eventually come back, the way they framed the battle is that one specific instance of the Sigma Virus was converted to Ultron's will, not the entirety of the Sigma Virus, and while yes I could see Ultron winning, I figured it would be by destroying every robot to house the Sigma Virus, plus Sigma's origin as a Reploid means he's just like a human in terms of thought: unpredictable, wild, but always with some kind of motivation, and let's not forget, Ultron has been outsmarted in the past, by humans nonetheless, and even ignoring that, Sigma's army on it's own wields Reploids capable of wielding heat that could CERTAINLY melt Ultron's delicate circuitry, and seeing as Sigma commands them, he could've easily had one of them do just that, I could see Ultron winning this battle, but in that case it'd be much more long and drawn out as he'd need to eliminate every scrap of the Sigma Virus, all the while Sigma could look for a gap in Ultron's mental defenses until he found the opening he'd need to overtake his AI, overall though, I'd say it depends ultimately on the mental aspect, with all physical combat being for show, as if Ultron continually developed his own firewalls, he would be unbeatable, leaving him to simply destroy all robots and reploids infected with the Sigma Virus, while Sigma could win by simply finding an opening in Ultron's firewalls, while distracting him with physical combat.
I really dislike the next fighters,if they both die in the fight I will consider that the best outcome.
@@sparkyphantom92 They are the good guys but they are not good guys,I really dislike those type of characters.
@@sparkyphantom92 Them just being perverts.
@@creaturetransylvania8943
So you dont like characters with flaws? Everybody has a bad side to them. It is stupid to hate characters for not being pinacles of absolute flawless virtue.
@@creaturetransylvania8943
To hard to qrap your brain around flaws I guess.
@@blankblank1284 Yeah I agree their is no such thing as perfection and I do think it's dum to hate someone because they are not perfect,it's not that I hate flaws it's that I hate certain flaws like being a pervert.
Not first
So?
7th? Damn
So?
First