Just Preach the Gospel? | Doug Wilson
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- Опубликовано: 28 авг 2024
- In this episode of Ask Doug, pastor Doug Wilson answers a question about whether we should "just preach the gospel."
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So I'm the Mike that asked the question. Some close to me believe that we should only resist the gov very narrowly if we are specifically "forced to sin", and that we should "just preach the gospel." Here I was looking for some guidance on how to articulate that the Christian resisting tyranny is a righteous cause and in accord with preaching the gospel of the kingship of Christ. Interpreting Peter and Paul's writings on gov resistance has become more nuanced in recent years for me and this conversation has come up more and more. Thank you Pastor for your insightful perspective. And thank you all for your comments.
I recommend reading “Vindiciae Contra Tyrannos: A defense of liberty against tyrants.”
I think if there was something Christians were going to violently rebel over; it would be over not being allowed to worship. But we couldn’t even peacefully not comply over that.
I’ve encountered a lot of the same the past 2 years. So this is quite helpful for me as well.
I love this man so much. I was just talking about this along with the mentality of ‘the world is going to hell anyway, why try?’ with a premillennial dispensationalist today. it’s about defending the freedom we need to preach the Gospel. Without that freedom we will be forced to bow to Caesar. God bless!
I'm still on the premill fence, but I like the postmillenialist's mindset of sowing and working for the Lord constantly until the end (if that makes any sense.)
@@milton5417 absolutely bro. That’s what appealed to me too. Faith in action and a desire to serve that I just don’t see in premillennialism (Not all, but the vast majority in my experience) these days, a lot of apathy, doom and gloom, false prophecy and focus on the rapture.It’s exhausting.
@@Ephesians-yn8ux Yep
You don’t need “freedom” to preach the Gospel. At least not from the government, because government does not give that freedom. God does. Even if the government “takes away” that freedom, that won’t stop the Gospel from being preached. As a matter of fact, many of the world’s fastest growing churches are in countries where the government is strongly opposed to Christianity and murder Christians such as Iran, Afghanistan, North Korea, China,
Algeria, Somalia, Sudan and the list goes on.
@@jean-marcbrand1093 and thousands and thousands of Christians have become martyrs in the process. You can also be arrested for having a Bible in the wrong neighborhoods of some of those locations currently, and be thrown in a re-education camp.
I realize the Gospel can prosper in spite of the tyranny, my point was more about protecting the God-given freedom that we have maintained for 245 years in America to avoid our children going through that if possible.
I was on the Tuman river area and met with a elderly believer from NK and organized gospel material for the churches. At that time believers were being lined up head to toe on road projects and run over with a steam roller. The leader of NK knows that if the Lordship of Jesus is preached the despot is no longer in power.
We are to obey God rather than men. Sometimes this will mean not complying with the ‘authorities’ (Acts 4).
Our focus must remain fixed on the work of Christ’s Kingdom. Remember we are sojourners, we may not be welcomed, we may be expelled, but we ought not conform to this world.
Preach the gospel in season and out of season.
Regarding letting every soul be subject to the governing authorities, in the U.S. the governing authority is not a person, but the Constitution. When a person comes into a governing office, he defers his authority to the Constitution by oath “so help me God.” If that individual does not follow the Constitution, Americans and Christians must resist in order to obey Romans 13 so that the governing authority (Constitution) is obeyed.
Exactly! I do not seek to "overthrow the government," I seek to restore the constitution by bringing the oath breakers to justice.
Love this comment.
Bible>constitution. God's Word will not return void... constitution..seems to be okay with amendments. While we struggle to know what our Amens meant...😇💪🙏
Finally someone gets it. Love Todd Friel but he doesn't understand this. We submit to the constitution not the men who undermine it at every turn.
@@1Whipperin Negative, the founding fathers who framed the constitution instructed us to resist tyranny. Therefore it is morally correct in that regard
Such a powerful point
IS THAT AUDIO WADE???🔥
Many people love Jesus, and stop short of declaring him Lord over their life.
That's because he is not YET. When you become an immortal spirit, in the kingdom, he will be Lord. Jesus SHALL be Lord.
Someone else, (which should be obvious), is in charge now. You, have to endure it.
Matthew 24:13
He told his immediate disciples, the exact same.
10:22.
@@eltonron1558
You are reading Matthew 24:13 the wrong way.
Salvation is a completely different thing that Jesus being Lord in this life by person's free will to submit to Jesus FIRST and then to whatever other powers may be around in our social structures.
Many people truly have faith but are afraid of consequences of practicing their faith because the circumstances may be too harsh.
A weak faith is still faith, these people will be saved regardless of their failures to put their faith in practice.
On the other hand, people who are strong in their faith and knowledge of scriptures will make Jesus Lord regardless if their lives are in critical danger. They don't stand and shine the light by their own power, they don't pray to Lord God to ease their suffering, they pray to Lord God to give them power to endure whatever suffering comes their way. See the story in Daniel 3 and their Determination was made clear to the King in verse 18.
They knew God is capable, but it made no difference to them if Lord God would choose not to deliver them. They would rather die than disobey Lord God.
When fear is lord, is because people are in sin and disconnected from the comforting power of Lord God.
Confessing our sins immediately as we get the conviction is key in keeping ourselves in good standing with our Lord Jesus and staying fully charged with power of endurance.
Much love and blessings.
@Canon Press Dr. Wilson I wish you blessings. I would like to suggest that you have an open discussion with Fr. Josiah Trenham and/or Jonathan Pageau discussing Eastern Orthodoxy. Thanks for considering this!
Iunno if this is true... Simply put, JPTG (just preach the gospel) has logical outworkings that result in action and reform… Josiah Rediscovered the lost book of Dueteronomy and he didn’t just let it transform him in an internal personal way. It transformed him to externalize his internal convictions and make reforms in the nation of Israel. I’m not leaning on works righteousness but if we have no impact by what metric are we to measure our successful endeavors? If God gives metrics at the end of each king’s reign why aren’t we?
The government is currently more occupied with shutting down Conservatives, classic liberals, and Republicans rather than CHRISTIANS. Just because we have a lot of overlap we shouldn’t kid ourselves on who is really in the line of fire. Meaning we aren’t really pushing the rock of offense (The Bible) nearly as much as we should, because it’s not convicting enough people in Church to DO SOMETHING about our state of affairs.
somewhere in Foxe's Book of Martyrs, Foxe says that the authorities of the day sincerely believed that these Christians were preparing for some King to come and overthrow them and that his return was imminent
*That* is convicting
It's safe to say the most important question is "who was/is Jesus?" From a human perspective: If Jesus is not Lord of all, He is not Lord at all.
AMEN.
Pastor Doug - We do see the Apostle Paul resisting the lower authorities (regional authority which was even breaking the Roman law) in Acts and appeals to the higher authority - Rome, as a Roman citizen.
Jesus and the disciples didn’t “resist” the political authorities in power, but however, they did brought to light their sin and hypocrisy . Even John the Baptist calls out Herod, which brought about his persecution. Having a position of power wasn’t challenged, but wouldn’t you say that they criticized or tried to persuade unrighteous people holding power to become righteous?
In addition to your comment, Jesus and the disciples did not live under a government or they had the right privilege and responsibility to choose the leaders over them and were admonished to choose Godly and Christian leaders, can you imagine if they did and they refused to choose leaders but rather let the Pagan society around them choose leaders they would persecute and kill them and Implement ungodly and wicked policies and culture?
Just preach the gospel.
Besides pastors in church services, are many lay Christians actually preaching it? I don't see it or hear any evidence anywhere out there in the streets, market places, stores, and in the towns or cities, even though there are churches all around the towns. However, I see more often, if not exclusively, sometimes being stated in social media or online chat.
Matt 23
1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,
2 Saying The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.
5 But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments,
6 And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues...
9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
We must define the gospel. Plenty of “Christians” preach the life, death and resurrection of Jesus while functionally denying His lordship in many areas of their lives. So, no, preaching the gospel isn’t enough. Which church will converts go to once saved? All the faithful churches in your parish? I don’t think so.
Not to mention that some professing Christians don't even see the need to go to a church. Their love and zeal for Christ wanes, or they are wounded by some immature Christian, apostate, or tare in a church environment. We need to learn how to finish well, which involves denying ourselves and following Jesus.
@@RebeccaJeffersonOAC please check out our film, “The Draft - A Conscription of Conscience” and follow-up material. Such is the general state of unfaithfulness, our conviction is that the Lord closed the churches in March 2020, having called for it in January 2020. I think it is a false assumption that “going to church” addresses the problem and, rather, perpetuates the problems between gospel proclamation and genuine discipleship. The solution to this disconnect is more radical and disruptive than most of us can even begin to conceive.
Every act of obedience to Christ as Lord, is an inherently political act. Sometime that bumps up against other pretenders to the throne. I recent western history, not so much, and in other places a lot more. In either situation, there is not escaping the political implications of faithful Christianity. The real question or more likely to be “Where are be failing to be faithful?”
How about inviting Joseph Pearce on your show and talk literature?
If all works outside of Christ Jesus are gonna be like filthy rags...and He is already on the throne and doesn't need our vote to be King cuz He is and will remain...why do we keep battling the Lord? For a "well done good and faithful servant" by keeping our mouth shut when it comes to serving two masters?
Shows just how weak we are on our own to fight evil...and the battle is the Lords and He has already claimed victory... He is patient and waiting on US to repent and trust Jesus as Lord and Savior as it is His desire that none perish... don't think for a second that a gov't has your best interest at heart... let God be true.
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You practice it too
Is the government you see today and instrument of righteousness?
Ummm ??? I would say when the Sanhedrin told the Apostles to stop preaching Jesus , and THEY DIDNT !!!!
Getting arrested over and over and over .
All of them, Peter, John, Paul etc…..
So you don’t have try to over throw the government , to resist the government . But preaching the Gospel of Our Lord , is resistance enough !
Hey, can someone recommend to me Doug's book, Rules for Reformers? Can it prove to be useful for a young fellow like me living in Romania? Does it deal only with local American Evangelical topics or has a more wider scope?
I'm interested in buying the ebook version and even that proves to be quite costly, so I want to make sure it is profitable for me
Pastor Wilson.. I watched your daughters Sabbath dinner post.. Could you post the secret Jumbalaya recipe?
Roman's 13 says what a god ordained government is. Governments aren't allowed to murder rob assault commit injustice and so on so if the do they are disobeying God. The bible puts plenty of restrictions on government obeying an evil government and letting evil run rampant is to disobey God's commands to love protect and help otherd
Roman's 13 was written during the reign of a government antagonistic toward Christians, and certainly Peter 2:13-17 was as well. Any rules for government in the Bible are pretty exclusively for Jewish government, although there's plenty of principles there for a Christian world leader to follow if there was such a person. But there are no godly people in power right now. That being said, ALL GOVERNMENT IS ORDAINED BY GOD. Recall the hardness of Pharoh used to show God's great power. God ordained that to be (Roman's 9 says that specially). God gave Jeremiah a prophecy of how he was going to exact judgement on Israel using the evil government of Babylon (Jeremiah 27:5-8). The entirety of Lamentations is the product of God's wrath upon Israel. Revelation is a judgement God has set out for the ungodly in the end of times. God uses evil government for his purposes, the Bible makes that very clear. He likely isn't judging his people specifically, but the only reason this government is here is because God said it would be so. We can cry out to God and pray for him to end the injustice, but we must be faithful to his word. God says vengeance is his, he knows what the world systems do to his people. But God also says submit to the government. We are to be peace keepers. I believe this word is appropriate to be used in this situation, "For this is a gracious thing, when, mindful of God, one endures sorrows while suffering unjustly." 1 Peter 2:19
@@umbrellathegreatdetective5423 you don't see the contradiction in what you just said ? An evil government can't be GOD ordained as Roman's clearly states what a government is i don't know how people miss that
@@umbrellathegreatdetective5423 for rulers are not a terror to good works but to bad that be definition means God ordained rulers do not commit evil or use government power for evil purposes the bible literally says woe to those who make unjust laws. The Bible says God hates injustice and doesn't tempt anyone so God doesn't deliberately make people in government evil some of them choose to be
@@umbrellathegreatdetective5423 not all government is God ordained. A claim to authority doesn't make it legitimate
@@umbrellathegreatdetective5423 if I claim I'm the king of the universe that doesn't make me so. Government isn't what most people think it is and almost no government even comes remotely close to the definition paul gave of what a God ordained government is
When Jesus made his good confession before Pilate, Pilate did not percieve this as a threat to Rome
Yes, just preach the gospel, especially, Exodus 21:16 (slavery is BAD) and then Ephesians 6:5 (slavery is NOT Bad).
Then dance around "translation", "context", and divert to "other verses"....
Do you think the word “slavery” describes exactly the same thing every time and place it is used?
@@bigstory1153 : There you go........let's dance around "semantics" and maybe, just maybe, we can make it more "palatable and acceptable"...........C'mon.
The Gospel does resists the earthly magistrates 🗣 👥 🛡 👤 🤺
Who is the guy interviewing Doug?
Doug im trying yo find a church for a friend of mine who lives in seven hills ohio could you recommend a church i could send her to ?
Amen, watch for my explanation of cov and the axe
In 2 months
This is not good for the world...
Audio Wade!
How did Peter write First Peter when he couldn't read or write?
Assuming what you say is true (which is questionable), he could certainly speak, and someone else could do the writing. Is this the quality of anti-Christian thought these days?
@@bigstory1153 illiterate fishermen from Galilee had familiarity with the Septuagint, did they?
@@bigstory1153 The majority of New Testament scholars (who are also Christians) do not believe First and Second Peter were written by Simon Peter. Questioning the authorship of NT documents is hardly "Ant-Christian."
Majority people think they are saved. Myself, hopefully believing Yahweh has chosen me by election to have mercy upon me. Who's sovereign? You or Jesus? Majority of professing people salute the Sovereignty of God but believe, adhere too in the sovereignty of man.
Not a scriptural reference, but it seems like the American Revolution was a government overthrow. At least locally. Was that ungodly?
If we preach a message of 'nice' christianity - where we just want to imitate the 'goodness' of Jesus as something moral, no problem, but if we are saying that Christ's Lordship is alone is what rules (saves) people by justifying them by His atoning work and nothing else, then we're enemy number one. Men want their 'righteousness' to count as the major, however they are seeking to present that. The Lord says that amounts to less than nothing - only the righteousness of His beloved Son prevails. Interesting to see how Peterson and Shapiro seek to equate Christianity to a 'me' religion, but Christ - in respect to actual truth - keeps getting in the way: ruclips.net/video/5tfyvjBpl-Q/видео.html
Just like the unregenerate they don't want to hear that Christ is Lord because most people want to be their own God.
Does anyone think that God is unaware of our system of government, or that he did not ordain it to exist? We are to honor the ruling authorities... In the United States, that is the rule of law as restrained by the constitution. Put bluntly, those who misused the bible to claim we are to submit to unlawful elected officials as if they are in authority under God, may as well say we should consider a thief with a gun as our ruling authority ordained by God as well.
Idk what you guys are talking about. The apostles had DEMONSTRATIVE AUTHORITATIVE POWER, we don't, so...
The Word of God. Sharper than a 2-edged sword.
Just because miracles don't always happen doesn't mean that God has stopped working. God wants his people to see that their King is coming. We need to live like the coming of our King is imminent. And even if the King doesn't come, we need to fearlessly "push" our faith. Yes, push. Because I don't know what on earth we are doing now.
@@RebeccaJeffersonOAC look sis, you need to read the details better. I never implied that God has stopped anything. It's US that've lost it, not God.
@@knowone11111 I get re: the US; we are in complete rebellion against God. But I think what we should express doesn't have to do so much with apostolic authority as it does with the fact that we are representing a King. We don't need to worry about convincing people with miracles. We need to be concerned with how we are representing Christ to a world that utterly hates him.
@@RebeccaJeffersonOAC srry but again I'm not saying that we should be using miracles to do anything. God wants to move but we have to align or confirm to His will & everyone unfortunately has a different interpretation of what that means. Prov 16:2
Nothing new under the sun, Romans 11:31Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy. 32For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all. SO MILK IS FUNNY you get lots of it then a little meat you still look outside, David and Paul same story and death was outside Saul till going inside yourself then spirit is mature with four states son, Father, lord, God ONE in you.
Luke 17:20And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: 21Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
We are doing it wrong by allowing the government in our churches with the tax free 501c3.
Alisa Childers just created a lot of confusion and gave these people a lot of excuses to hide behind Scripture and avoid their cowardice.
How can the lordship of Jesus, be the gospel, when the source of the gospel is Jesus? The gospel is NOT about Jesus, but FROM Jesus.
Matthew 24:14
Mark 1:14-15
Acts 28:31
The lordship of Christ, is a TEACHING, of Christ, not the gospel, according to Christ.
Isn’t it both? The Gospel OF Jesus Christ is both about Him and from Him, unless I’m not understanding you.
@@amyclutter7259 The kingdom of God, is the gospel from Christ. LATER, he TAUGHT, salvation, and his lordship.
Gospel first.
Salvation after.
Matthew 6:33, 24:14
Acts 28:31
Most of Christianity, ignores the gospel, according to Christ, and goes straight to preaching salvation, but calls it, the gospel. I'm not confused.
The Kingdom of God, is Jesus's lordship. Think with me for a moment what "Kingdom" means. The King's Domain. The area where the king rules .
Jesus is not merely 'the source' of the gospel, He is the gospel. He is the good news. He's the one who came and showed us all God's heart towards humanity perfectly without deviation. If you've seen Jesus, What he's like, You've seen the Father ( God). He's also our salvation.
@@Wildslayer50 While you are sort of correct, the truth is, HE IS NOT YET KING or LORD. He SHALL be, upon his return, to unseat the current lord of the world. He won't return, until the gospel OF THE KINGDOM, is preached FIRST.
Matthew 24:14
This is hair-splitting and semantics.
Send Doug to Moscow, … Russia to preach. And , God will show up.