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Nice video however you vastly underestimated the french army in 1936 while it was not in the best shape it was vastly more powerful than the germans which were just beginning to rearm, german generals did not belive in victory in 1940 so it makes no sense that a way weaker german army still beats france in 36 (and since it's inspired by hoi4 France has been nerfed to death in the game so that the german ai wins against them)
I agree with you, but while France having a large army is a fact, it was spread all around the world, guarding their colonies. Germany only needed to hold the french advance. The defender always has the advantage of 3:1, so I believe the Germans could have stalemated the war and turned it around with the collapse of the French Empire. Also there was a civil war ongoing and a lot of political instability. The French currency was non-existent and being devalued to nothing.
You fool. Ever heard of MEFO bills? The Germans already had a surplus of better equipment than the French did before they even invaded in 1940. You are a fool for believing that a corrupt and power stricken French army could do anything but watch as the Germans, who knew how to fight better due to years of research into technology and strategy, crushed them.
Exactly, this guy has no understanding of history. Only in 1930 the French had stormed into Germany and taken reparations in raw materials when the Germans failed to pay in capital.Also, Britain has always had the intention for the balance of power but wouldn't betray France in the way described.Even after the 7 years War, when they had completely marginalised France, especially globally, the decided in Parliament to allow France to keep the Caribbean islands the official reason was that taking the lucrative islands would need to an overwhelming sense of vengeance in France against the Brits.
@@Ali-bu6loI think he’s saying it would be boring for a 7 minute video; it might be interesting if it was 10-20 minutes, but he doesn’t have that time.
As a frenchmen, I can say that this scenario isn't totally accurate, considering that actually, the french communist party (PCF) and the french section of the socialist international (SFIO) were quite pro-rearmament. And even, the communists would not start a civil war for this, considering that the more time progressed, the more sympathizers/members they had, so it would be counter-productive to start a civil war. *BTW sorry if my english is not very comprehensible.
Thank you, I understood all of it. I agree that the Communists were involved in the French Government so no need to start a civil war, just wait. But there is one more factor I want to mention and it is that if they were anti-war, they would grow so much in popularity.
@@rewriting-history It's true, but at what cost. We can only speculate on the decisions that the leaders of the PCF (particularly Maurice Thorez) would have made. What is certain is that France was not yet ready for war, since it was only from 1938 and the Munich conference that the French began to "want war" (in the sense where they realized that it was becoming inevitable).
Historicly speaking, the french would be supported by the poles from the east. Poland and France were in an allience since the 1ww and the poles would like to use thenopportunity to take some land.
You are right this Scenario is also very unrealistic because in 1936 the germans where just beginning the 4 year plan and their Army was very small. So basically the french alone would crush the germans
@@srodipl1639 unlikely. The German army was small on paper, but able to be enlarged by a factor of ten on very short notice. Both France and Poland were to instabile for a war of aggression
@@ddggfcff i would say that the Poland even asked france to attack germany i think in 1937 or smth. Poland also had very big army, in 1939 it was the size of 700k soldiers. And, the german officers didnt belive they would win, even in 1940. French army was considered the strongest one in Europe, and its navy was still so strong it could acieve naval supremacy and blockade germans without any help. And, the germans lost because of fighting a two front war. It woudnt be possible for Germany to win without any allies. And yea, Hitler gave order to retreat from rhineland if france tried to stop them.
Perhaps you're right, but I think what I came up is more interesting + I already made 3 videos on the same time period with France and the UK fighting together. I wanted to do something different.
So what matters is what is more interesting? Please create video about what if Greenland invaded Australia, since we don't care about realism@@rewriting-history
I think we may need more time to explain the history behind stuff, because this was straight into the action without explaining political and historical backgrounds and reasons, like an actual history channel video
@@rewriting-history Sorry for replying late, was at therapy. I'll be honest, I prefer knowing the history and the backstory of the scenario, since it adds lore for both your reasoning why stuff happens, and why history happened the way it did too.
1:45 "successful communist uprising" "French soldiers refused to fight other fellow citizens" I stop to see the video. A) Foreign Legion B) Ultra Catholics C) Actually at this time France suffer somewhat an uprising of Nationalist Far Right extremists.
I'm fine with unrealistic scenarios, but this doesn't even attempt to create a suspension of disbelief, Germany had next to no army, no equipment, etc.
I think instead of a civil war the communists would try to stage a revolution by couping the government in Paris which they had support in. This coup and the massive instability it would cause would probably giver Germany a serious advantage early on and possible cause counter revolutionary uprisings. France being communist would also help the scenario of Britain helping Germany since they viewed the soviets as the biggest threat on the continent. Hitler was also actively pursuing an alliance with Britain for an anti communist bloc with Germany, Britain, China and possibly Italy against Japan and Russia.
This scenario is more interesting than realistic. I think that civil war isn't very likely and german troops had orders to retreat if France challenged them since Germany wasn't fully ready for war but still great video 👍
Oh nice! Thank you! I'll look forward into doing it. Germany would get defeated very quickly, so I don't think much interesting would happen. Will do it into a short
@@rewriting-historyi mean, i dont really think they will be defeated THAT easily, they would probably call some troops back, and defend the rhine, until they get pushed back by the polish, and start conscripting alot of soldiers, because nationalism was HIGH in germany in 1939, soo recruiting men would be easy, unlike france.
Sorry bro, this is the most unrealistic scenario by far. At this point Framce had the largest army in the world, and Germany hasn't even gotten past 100,000 troops. Also, there was already a socialist prime minister, so there's wouldn't be a need for an uprising.
Germany I think had 350,000 troops. Yes, France did have the largest army, but it was spread all around the globe, with most of it simply being a garrison army. The French couldn't actually use most if it in an actual combat
@@rewriting-historywell... thats the thing, France only had like 100 000 troops to secure their entire colonial empire the VAST majority of their army was in Europe at the time so in 1936 if France had decided to keep the rhineland demilitarized they would have succeded with ease. Even the idea of a communist revolution is quite unrealistic since 1936 is precisely the year where the left gained power in the country.
This scenario would be better, and more historical if with france, poland also attacked germany. Polish Goverment said 2 times that they are willing to go to war with french against germany. In 1933 when hitler came to power, and when rhineland was remilitarized. So its weird that you made this scenario witchout poland supporting france
One. Why would communist rise up? They were firstly in the middle of an electoral campagn *in the winning coalition* (You do not rise up when you're winning) and would be 100% in favor of the invasion. They were in that coalition in order to help fight against fascism and quite that coalition over appeasement. They wouldn't rise up. They rise up in HOI4 for balance purpose in order to stop ww2 to be to easy but real life doesn't have balancing mecanism... Two. French colonies didn't have strong enough independance movement to rise up with so short of a notice. And France couldn't get Algeria back after it's independance because of a peace treaty with Germany... Three. The German army wasn't strong enough to win against France and had the order to not fight if France tried to take back the Rhineland.
I assume they would gain even more popularity if they shift their policies away from an invasion and start being anti-war. Everyone in France who was against war would support them, growing their popularity even further.
@@rewriting-history More or less every communist party where following Moscow's line at the time, and Moscow's line was to fight fascism, they would 100% lose a lot of popularity with the left if they decide to fight with the Nazi against the French government. The only people who might support such a move wouldn't never support the communists anyway. People who didn't want a war didn't want a civil war either. And since the Nazi very famously hated communists, having the Wehrmacht at the French border isn't something communist would want.
Didn't Hitler order for German troops to retreat should France actually respond to the Rhineland? At the time denying the Rhineland was considered to be a very real possibility especially since France already occupied western Germany during the Ruhr crisis.
Why as it would happen at the same time as the SCW, why didn't the Spanish Communists & Anarquists strike Southern France to aid their fellow revolutionaries in the north? Besides that, cities such as Marseille & Lyon were known to have massive amounts of communists, so the revolutionary action wouldn't be only in Nord-Pas de Calais. On the other side, why didn't Poland use the situation to attack Germany?
I forgot about Poland, since I was using a smaller map. This is my bad, I really should have included them, this would have made the video 10 times more interesting!
@rewriting-history this is just my theory but: I feel like the entente will lessen the blow on Germany just to keep a strong Germany to fight the USSR as Poland and prob the baltic states will fall to Soviet influence, and we may see a more bold Soviet Union under Stalin and some attempts at power projection in Romania, Finland, and Germany by using the Socialist party in the Weimar Republic of Germany. Now theres a chance that the communists and fasists will fight over Germany along with other small factions of weimar supporters, monarchists, and democrats will fight over Germany with Soviets, Brittain and France supporting different sides with Italy joining too for nono Germany leading to a split Germany in the 30's. Now this will mean in the west is the Fasists win out and the Communists win out in the east with some western territory too. So to sum up, the cold war is now faster than before and a small chance that fasism wont grow like in our timeline but it will last longer as the Fasists in Germany is supported as counter balance to Soviets.
I like the animations, but this video is quite inaccurate. First, you only mention around 300,000 French troops being killed, the French army was composed of over a million. The borders of the newly independent African states are most likely incorrect. They would have had different borders seeing as many of the region's borders weren't fixed yet. Secondly, the diplomacy between France and the UK, what in the world is going on??? The British were 100% against war with Germany and wanted more leniency. The French population would be outraged of an unnecessary war against Germany, and I highly doubt a Communist coup (which actually isn't a coup but a revolution) would have worked so well. And the defense of Paris would have been the foremost priority for thr French army. By the way, you've heard of president Blúm right? The Socialist supporter? That's one of the reasons why I doubt a Communist revolution would occur. If something like it would happen, it would probably be what French do best, go on strike. Also why do you put the Rhineland controlling most of Baden? There are quite a few errors that I would've preferred been fixed but the animation is nice I guess. And another thing. There is a common misconception that the Germans were automatically op. By 1936, the French could have decimated the Germans. Adolf Hitler would not have wanted war, even if he believed they were just bluffs. He hadn't taken Austria, he hadnt taken the Sudetnland (I mispelled that) and he hadnt even taken Czechslovakia. He was in no way industry and militarily ready for a war.
Great vid I like the part where france gets destroyed! But i think you missed a key point and that is that Germany would have just paradropped into Paris.
not realistic at all, The Germans woudnt have had any chance at beating the french army at that time and even hitler knew it as he ordered a retreat to the rhine if france decided to declayer war
@@rewriting-history thats also true, tho dont take this as me wanting you to stop doing videos as just the reason you go for the most interesting senario you can find is why i watch your videos i just wish sometimes you said that you do that as i feel like many people will come out with the wrong conclusion and think Germany could have actually won if France attacked when the rhineland was militilized
im sorry but this sounds way too much like a hoi scenario and it just isnt realistic in the slightest, German High Command themselves admitted that if France pursued war in 1936 then the Germans would have lost.
True, but does the German High Command take into account the French Civil War? They don't, right? So the situation changes and the argument is not valid in this case.
To be rather frank, France wouldn't have a Civil War. its a popular misconception that France was so deeply unstable it was on the brink of collapse. There may be strikes, but a full-on Civil War is incredibly unlikely to happen.@@rewriting-history
What if the Allied powers gave all of East Africa to Ethiopia? I remember hearing how they planned on giving Ethiopia Somalia and Eritrea but decided not to due to Somali nationalism
@@rewriting-history Another idea I have had is what if Germany stopped expansion at the Sudetenland. Britain expected peace after Germany obtained Sudetenland, but was wrong. But what if his predictions were correct? It would surely change a lot.
And the French army was occupying half the world's colonies, so while their numbers are big, they weren't so good in Europe. Germany didn't push them, they simply were holding for the duration of the war.
Don’t trust hoi 4, the French army at the time was the strongest in the world in quantity and professionalism. In hoi 4 France is weak to allow Germany to attack the Soviet Union and have an “historicall experience”. But that was not reality. Even in 1940 Germany, despite communist sabotaging, the French army had better tanks, and a powerful artillery and could never had been defeated without the Dunkerk pocket and the incompetence of it’s leaders.
The Brits are never going to allow the French to come close to losing to a communist uprising nor a defeat by the Germans. They would have intervened earlier to ensure French victory.
Yeah, no. Realistically, Britain wanted to isolate itself from Europe and was not intending AT ALL to go towards an offensive war on Germany. Britain would simply somewhat aid the French, but nothing too significant. The British focus in the inter war period was to prioritise the empire out of anything else. Unless the British implement a change of foreign policy, that's highly unrealistic. Again, as the creator himself said. This video is unrealistic and too vague to be somewhat true at all. Germany was FAR less stronger then it was in 1939. In 1936, the German army roughly had 300,000 troops who we're still non mechanized at that time. France's colonies also would of not been able to revolt. Any resistance movement prior to 1936 was non extent in let's say Algeria, Syria, Morocco, Tunis, etc. Even the communist uprising would of never happened considering that they didn't support the policy of appeasement. Instead, they we're pushing for war against their ideological enemy, Fascism.
The problem with this scenario is thst it is totally unrealistic since in 1936 Germany had one of the weakest militarys in Europe. In 1936 they would have got overrun
hey so ive been asking all my favorite guys in the trade of alt history for a while now to try this video idea so since youre 1 of my favorite now youll also have to suffer me commenting this in all your videos What if Crassus conquered all of Persia and made Publius his heir entering the civil war as a third party
I don't have maps for these time periods and since I make them by hand, it's not worth it for me to make it right now. I have maps for the past 100 years, so I'll focus on this for now, after that I'll start drawing some more maps
chamblerlin being the leader during the invasion of poland would most likely not declare war on germany in 1939 due to them having no allies in europe at all. and russia defending poland is just the dumbest idea ever so moltov ribbentrop pact would most likely also be signed but more in sercret likely
Sorry but this alternate history scenario is terrible. First, the socialists and communists were in government and they were all concerned about the rise of militarism in Germany. Second, France has had a fairly strong military industry while Germany was just rearming, if anyone had a guns shortage in this scenario it would be Germany. Third, France has a much larger number of planes and tanks and it would be years before the Germans could even surpass them in quality and quantity. Even in our timeline the Germans used a lot of Czechoslovakian tank designs that were better than the ones they used, something they can't do in this timeline. Fourth, GB would never allow a German hegemony in Europe, much less help them achieve hegemony. Fifth, the USSR would have immediately supported France by sending tons of weapons and volunteers. For a long time they sought to form an alliance against Germany that was always rejected so allowing France to be defeated is simply unimaginable. Even if the French communists attempted a civil war these members of the comitern would simply receive a letter from Stalin telling them to stop messing around and fight the Germans. HOI4 Is fun but they alternative scenarios are complete unrealistic and dumb, don't use it if you want to make what if scenarios.
Perhaps they should have, since they were looking for an opportunity to strike ever since Hitler rose to power. I just didn't want this to be yet another allies victory scenario.
Sorry mate, this video was 10 months ago, back when I had 0 experience and anything. My most recent videos are way better and I have learned from my mistakes. Will put a disclaimer on many of my older videos
Good video over all but try more creative things. I doubt france would remain a democracy in a literal state of war + civil war as if its the usual. Even with Spain being in civil war this would worry the british too much not to intervene politically to save whats left of the french government
@@rewriting-history Huh you definetly should experiment with that one. But honnestly even if france Is fascist I cant see them directly ally with germany anyway, them being fascist/dictatorship doesnt mean they have to be friends especially since they fought a war together, same as franco wouldnt join germany after his own civil war IRL. I think that actually germany would have to settle for less and respect the agreements to not turn everyone against them since there is no "fascist block", given all of europe is de facto under dictatorships. Like France could turn german allies against germany if it suits them and strenghten its alliences in the east, especially with poland, italy and spain. Though your idea of a german war with the soviets is also interestning and could be really fun. There not being an ideological spearation within europe would change a lot
Very predictable scenario with a boring end. You couldve made Frannce declare a martial law under petain thus turning the country into a dictatorship in the image of franco spain and mussolini. That or make the communists negotiate a peace or actually take over.
Believe it or not, I originally made France fascist where they would white Peace with Germany and focus on their rebels. I scrapped that scenario because I couldn't see what would happen after that. Perhaps France will ally with Germany, helping them get Austria, Czechoslovakia, Poland and etc. In the end, both nations will be defeated, so nothing would change. Do you think I should experiment on this scenario, but they won't attack the USSR, both taking lands from the Benelux for themselves. Also idk if Italy would join Germany if they ally with France. Too many things I couldn't consider and be accurate. This is why I decided to go with this idea instead.
@@rewriting-history Huh you definetly should experiment with that one. But honnestly even if france Is fascist I cant see them directly ally with germany anyway, them being fascist/dictatorship doesnt mean they have to be friends especially since they fought a war together, same as franco wouldnt join germany after his own civil war IRL. I think that actually germany would have to settle for less and respect the agreements to not turn everyone against them since there is no "fascist block", given all of europe is de facto under dictatorships. Like France could turn german allies against germany if it suits them and strenghten its alliences in the east, especially with poland, italy and spain. Though your idea of a german war with the soviets is also interestning and could be really fun. There not being an ideological spearation within europe would change a lot
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Nice video however you vastly underestimated the french army in 1936 while it was not in the best shape it was vastly more powerful than the germans which were just beginning to rearm, german generals did not belive in victory in 1940 so it makes no sense that a way weaker german army still beats france in 36 (and since it's inspired by hoi4 France has been nerfed to death in the game so that the german ai wins against them)
I agree with you, but while France having a large army is a fact, it was spread all around the world, guarding their colonies. Germany only needed to hold the french advance. The defender always has the advantage of 3:1, so I believe the Germans could have stalemated the war and turned it around with the collapse of the French Empire. Also there was a civil war ongoing and a lot of political instability. The French currency was non-existent and being devalued to nothing.
@@rewriting-historythe colonies of france isn't a problem. They're weak
France had been putting a similar amount of money into their military to Italy. Germany had basically doubled and nearly tripled that.
You fool. Ever heard of MEFO bills? The Germans already had a surplus of better equipment than the French did before they even invaded in 1940. You are a fool for believing that a corrupt and power stricken French army could do anything but watch as the Germans, who knew how to fight better due to years of research into technology and strategy, crushed them.
Exactly, this guy has no understanding of history. Only in 1930 the French had stormed into Germany and taken reparations in raw materials when the Germans failed to pay in capital.Also, Britain has always had the intention for the balance of power but wouldn't betray France in the way described.Even after the 7 years War, when they had completely marginalised France, especially globally, the decided in Parliament to allow France to keep the Caribbean islands the official reason was that taking the lucrative islands would need to an overwhelming sense of vengeance in France against the Brits.
This scenario is just what happens if you refuse the rhineland in hoi4
Yes! I tried to imitate that with it! I'm glad somebody noticed
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Didn’t Hitler order that it if they saw any French troops to retreat from the Rhineland?
He did and if I did that into the video, I bet you it would get very boring. Nothing interesting would happen, no WW2, nothing.
@@rewriting-history How exactly a scenario as big as "no World War II" could be boring?
@@Ali-bu6loI think he’s saying it would be boring for a 7 minute video; it might be interesting if it was 10-20 minutes, but he doesn’t have that time.
That would turn the video into a statement.
@@rewriting-historyI don't think so. France would have been overstretched when Germany strikes back, retaking land with the support of the locals.
As a frenchmen, I can say that this scenario isn't totally accurate, considering that actually, the french communist party (PCF) and the french section of the socialist international (SFIO) were quite pro-rearmament. And even, the communists would not start a civil war for this, considering that the more time progressed, the more sympathizers/members they had, so it would be counter-productive to start a civil war.
*BTW sorry if my english is not very comprehensible.
Thank you, I understood all of it. I agree that the Communists were involved in the French Government so no need to start a civil war, just wait. But there is one more factor I want to mention and it is that if they were anti-war, they would grow so much in popularity.
@@rewriting-history It's true, but at what cost. We can only speculate on the decisions that the leaders of the PCF (particularly Maurice Thorez) would have made.
What is certain is that France was not yet ready for war, since it was only from 1938 and the Munich conference that the French began to "want war" (in the sense where they realized that it was becoming inevitable).
@@rewriting-history where did you pull out the fall of the empire ?? It was pure nonsense
Historicly speaking, the french would be supported by the poles from the east. Poland and France were in an allience since the 1ww and the poles would like to use thenopportunity to take some land.
You are right this Scenario is also very unrealistic because in 1936 the germans where just beginning the 4 year plan and their Army was very small. So basically the french alone would crush the germans
And this comes from a pole living in Germany
@@srodipl1639 unlikely. The German army was small on paper, but able to be enlarged by a factor of ten on very short notice. Both France and Poland were to instabile for a war of aggression
@@ddggfcff i would say that the Poland even asked france to attack germany i think in 1937 or smth. Poland also had very big army, in 1939 it was the size of 700k soldiers. And, the german officers didnt belive they would win, even in 1940. French army was considered the strongest one in Europe, and its navy was still so strong it could acieve naval supremacy and blockade germans without any help. And, the germans lost because of fighting a two front war. It woudnt be possible for Germany to win without any allies. And yea, Hitler gave order to retreat from rhineland if france tried to stop them.
i doubt the british would betray the french like that
Perhaps you're right, but I think what I came up is more interesting + I already made 3 videos on the same time period with France and the UK fighting together. I wanted to do something different.
thats fair@@rewriting-history
So what matters is what is more interesting? Please create video about what if Greenland invaded Australia, since we don't care about realism@@rewriting-history
I think we may need more time to explain the history behind stuff, because this was straight into the action without explaining political and historical backgrounds and reasons, like an actual history channel video
I know, you maybe saw I poll I made earlier, I wanted to experiment with a video where I don't explore the lore and just go to the point
@@rewriting-history Sorry for replying late, was at therapy. I'll be honest, I prefer knowing the history and the backstory of the scenario, since it adds lore for both your reasoning why stuff happens, and why history happened the way it did too.
1:45 "successful communist uprising" "French soldiers refused to fight other fellow citizens" I stop to see the video. A) Foreign Legion B) Ultra Catholics C) Actually at this time France suffer somewhat an uprising of Nationalist Far Right extremists.
I'm fine with unrealistic scenarios, but this doesn't even attempt to create a suspension of disbelief, Germany had next to no army, no equipment, etc.
I understand your point of view, but this was pretty obvious, couldn't make any suspense with the situation Germany has put themselves into
I think instead of a civil war the communists would try to stage a revolution by couping the government in Paris which they had support in. This coup and the massive instability it would cause would probably giver Germany a serious advantage early on and possible cause counter revolutionary uprisings. France being communist would also help the scenario of Britain helping Germany since they viewed the soviets as the biggest threat on the continent. Hitler was also actively pursuing an alliance with Britain for an anti communist bloc with Germany, Britain, China and possibly Italy against Japan and Russia.
I agree with you, your scenario makes way more sense than mine!
Love your content
Thank you! I'm very glad you do!
This scenario is more interesting than realistic. I think that civil war isn't very likely and german troops had orders to retreat if France challenged them since Germany wasn't fully ready for war but still great video 👍
do a video on if the french actually continued the offensive into germany in 1939, that would be a very interesting topic!
Oh nice! Thank you! I'll look forward into doing it. Germany would get defeated very quickly, so I don't think much interesting would happen. Will do it into a short
@@rewriting-historyi mean, i dont really think they will be defeated THAT easily, they would probably call some troops back, and defend the rhine, until they get pushed back by the polish, and start conscripting alot of soldiers, because nationalism was HIGH in germany in 1939, soo recruiting men would be easy, unlike france.
Great video
Glad you enjoyed it!
this is literally the hoi4 scenario
Yes! I tried that to see how it would turn out
i think it turned out good!@@rewriting-history
Sorry bro, this is the most unrealistic scenario by far. At this point Framce had the largest army in the world, and Germany hasn't even gotten past 100,000 troops. Also, there was already a socialist prime minister, so there's wouldn't be a need for an uprising.
Germany I think had 350,000 troops. Yes, France did have the largest army, but it was spread all around the globe, with most of it simply being a garrison army. The French couldn't actually use most if it in an actual combat
@@rewriting-historywell... thats the thing, France only had like 100 000 troops to secure their entire colonial empire the VAST majority of their army was in Europe at the time so in 1936 if France had decided to keep the rhineland demilitarized they would have succeded with ease. Even the idea of a communist revolution is quite unrealistic since 1936 is precisely the year where the left gained power in the country.
I loved this! Too bad France got mugged by the UK and Germany, but it made sense! This would make a good scenario for a part 2! Keep up the good work!
I don't know if i will make part 2, i will leave it to you guys to figure it out what would happen!
No sens that France is beat by germany in 1936
This scenario would be better, and more historical if with france, poland also attacked germany. Polish Goverment said 2 times that they are willing to go to war with french against germany. In 1933 when hitler came to power, and when rhineland was remilitarized. So its weird that you made this scenario witchout poland supporting france
Honestly I should have done that, it would make it 10 times more interesting for sure!
While sure i can see it’s based on the hoi4 path. I like how you can explain in more detail scenarios that are just based on a game scenario,
Thank you very much! I really appreciate the kind comment!
Suggestion: Do about what if Spain won the franco Spanish war 1635-1659
One. Why would communist rise up? They were firstly in the middle of an electoral campagn *in the winning coalition* (You do not rise up when you're winning) and would be 100% in favor of the invasion. They were in that coalition in order to help fight against fascism and quite that coalition over appeasement. They wouldn't rise up. They rise up in HOI4 for balance purpose in order to stop ww2 to be to easy but real life doesn't have balancing mecanism...
Two. French colonies didn't have strong enough independance movement to rise up with so short of a notice. And France couldn't get Algeria back after it's independance because of a peace treaty with Germany...
Three. The German army wasn't strong enough to win against France and had the order to not fight if France tried to take back the Rhineland.
I assume they would gain even more popularity if they shift their policies away from an invasion and start being anti-war. Everyone in France who was against war would support them, growing their popularity even further.
@@rewriting-history More or less every communist party where following Moscow's line at the time, and Moscow's line was to fight fascism, they would 100% lose a lot of popularity with the left if they decide to fight with the Nazi against the French government. The only people who might support such a move wouldn't never support the communists anyway. People who didn't want a war didn't want a civil war either.
And since the Nazi very famously hated communists, having the Wehrmacht at the French border isn't something communist would want.
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Didn't Hitler order for German troops to retreat should France actually respond to the Rhineland? At the time denying the Rhineland was considered to be a very real possibility especially since France already occupied western Germany during the Ruhr crisis.
Historically this is what the Germans wanted to do. But it didn't come true because France had a civil war, so things were different
Why as it would happen at the same time as the SCW, why didn't the Spanish Communists & Anarquists strike Southern France to aid their fellow revolutionaries in the north? Besides that, cities such as Marseille & Lyon were known to have massive amounts of communists, so the revolutionary action wouldn't be only in Nord-Pas de Calais.
On the other side, why didn't Poland use the situation to attack Germany?
I forgot about Poland, since I was using a smaller map. This is my bad, I really should have included them, this would have made the video 10 times more interesting!
Great video it was a awesome hypothetical
Bluds when they forget to turn off the non historical ai
Seems like an (unrealistic) series of unforunate events for France 😆. But I get you had to make the senario more interesting.
I'm glad that you get it. If I was realistic, then ww2 would just start 3 years earlier and nothing would change in the end
What if Soviets Beat Poland in the battle of Warsaw?
Already have that idea written down! I will experiment with it for sure soon!
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@rewriting-history this is just my theory but:
I feel like the entente will lessen the blow on Germany just to keep a strong Germany to fight the USSR as Poland and prob the baltic states will fall to Soviet influence, and we may see a more bold Soviet Union under Stalin and some attempts at power projection in Romania, Finland, and Germany by using the Socialist party in the Weimar Republic of Germany. Now theres a chance that the communists and fasists will fight over Germany along with other small factions of weimar supporters, monarchists, and democrats will fight over Germany with Soviets, Brittain and France supporting different sides with Italy joining too for nono Germany leading to a split Germany in the 30's. Now this will mean in the west is the Fasists win out and the Communists win out in the east with some western territory too. So to sum up, the cold war is now faster than before and a small chance that fasism wont grow like in our timeline but it will last longer as the Fasists in Germany is supported as counter balance to Soviets.
Nice job!
Thank you! Really appreciate it!
I like the animations, but this video is quite inaccurate. First, you only mention around 300,000 French troops being killed, the French army was composed of over a million. The borders of the newly independent African states are most likely incorrect. They would have had different borders seeing as many of the region's borders weren't fixed yet. Secondly, the diplomacy between France and the UK, what in the world is going on??? The British were 100% against war with Germany and wanted more leniency. The French population would be outraged of an unnecessary war against Germany, and I highly doubt a Communist coup (which actually isn't a coup but a revolution) would have worked so well. And the defense of Paris would have been the foremost priority for thr French army. By the way, you've heard of president Blúm right? The Socialist supporter? That's one of the reasons why I doubt a Communist revolution would occur. If something like it would happen, it would probably be what French do best, go on strike. Also why do you put the Rhineland controlling most of Baden? There are quite a few errors that I would've preferred been fixed but the animation is nice I guess. And another thing. There is a common misconception that the Germans were automatically op. By 1936, the French could have decimated the Germans. Adolf Hitler would not have wanted war, even if he believed they were just bluffs. He hadn't taken Austria, he hadnt taken the Sudetnland (I mispelled that) and he hadnt even taken Czechslovakia. He was in no way industry and militarily ready for a war.
How about the maginot line? You Didnt meantion IT once
Great vid I like the part where france gets destroyed! But i think you missed a key point and that is that Germany would have just paradropped into Paris.
*German naval invasion sound*
This video seems like HOI4 logic is used to explain everything. I'm guessing any troops who got encircled and overrun would instantly all disappear.
not realistic at all, The Germans woudnt have had any chance at beating the french army at that time and even hitler knew it as he ordered a retreat to the rhine if france decided to declayer war
Perhaps you're right, but it would make the video very boring. Germany would die in a week, no WW2, nothing. I need to make it interesting somehow
@@rewriting-history thats also true, tho dont take this as me wanting you to stop doing videos as just the reason you go for the most interesting senario you can find is why i watch your videos i just wish sometimes you said that you do that as i feel like many people will come out with the wrong conclusion and think Germany could have actually won if France attacked when the rhineland was militilized
im sorry but this sounds way too much like a hoi scenario and it just isnt realistic in the slightest, German High Command themselves admitted that if France pursued war in 1936 then the Germans would have lost.
True, but does the German High Command take into account the French Civil War? They don't, right? So the situation changes and the argument is not valid in this case.
To be rather frank, France wouldn't have a Civil War. its a popular misconception that France was so deeply unstable it was on the brink of collapse. There may be strikes, but a full-on Civil War is incredibly unlikely to happen.@@rewriting-history
@@rewriting-historyno, because it wouldn't goddamn happen!
Awesome
Thank you! I'm glad you enjoyed it!
What if the Allied powers gave all of East Africa to Ethiopia? I remember hearing how they planned on giving Ethiopia Somalia and Eritrea but decided not to due to Somali nationalism
Great idea! I will make that into a video!
@@rewriting-history Another idea I have had is what if Germany stopped expansion at the Sudetenland. Britain expected peace after Germany obtained Sudetenland, but was wrong. But what if his predictions were correct? It would surely change a lot.
This is not realistic, the German army only start to rearm in 1935.
And the French army was occupying half the world's colonies, so while their numbers are big, they weren't so good in Europe. Germany didn't push them, they simply were holding for the duration of the war.
Don’t trust hoi 4, the French army at the time was the strongest in the world in quantity and professionalism. In hoi 4 France is weak to allow Germany to attack the Soviet Union and have an “historicall experience”. But that was not reality. Even in 1940 Germany, despite communist sabotaging, the French army had better tanks, and a powerful artillery and could never had been defeated without the Dunkerk pocket and the incompetence of it’s leaders.
The French colonies also allow France to get cheap manpower they could put into the frontline
Wait, is this a narration of your HOI4 playthorught?
No, it's just a video in a HOI4 style.
can you do what if Germany didn’t invade Poland (just wait with what they had for a few years)
Interesting scenario, but I think it will be somewhat boring.
The Brits are never going to allow the French to come close to losing to a communist uprising nor a defeat by the Germans. They would have intervened earlier to ensure French victory.
Yeah, no. Realistically, Britain wanted to isolate itself from Europe and was not intending AT ALL to go towards an offensive war on Germany. Britain would simply somewhat aid the French, but nothing too significant. The British focus in the inter war period was to prioritise the empire out of anything else. Unless the British implement a change of foreign policy, that's highly unrealistic. Again, as the creator himself said. This video is unrealistic and too vague to be somewhat true at all. Germany was FAR less stronger then it was in 1939. In 1936, the German army roughly had 300,000 troops who we're still non mechanized at that time. France's colonies also would of not been able to revolt. Any resistance movement prior to 1936 was non extent in let's say Algeria, Syria, Morocco, Tunis, etc. Even the communist uprising would of never happened considering that they didn't support the policy of appeasement. Instead, they we're pushing for war against their ideological enemy, Fascism.
The problem with this scenario is thst it is totally unrealistic since in 1936 Germany had one of the weakest militarys in Europe. In 1936 they would have got overrun
this is so similar to hoi4 lmao nice vid man
Pretty much! Thank you and I'm glad that you enjoyed it!
wow this seems like a horrible scenario for france, it's good that this didn't happen to them
Yeah they dodged a bullet right there
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Too bad germany never forgets to back down on the historical playthroughs in hoi 4 as france
you are the french government
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yoo rat hello my friend, what are you up to?
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hey so ive been asking all my favorite guys in the trade of alt history for a while now to try this video idea so since youre 1 of my favorite now youll also have to suffer me commenting this in all your videos
What if Crassus conquered all of Persia and made Publius his heir entering the civil war as a third party
I don't have maps for these time periods and since I make them by hand, it's not worth it for me to make it right now. I have maps for the past 100 years, so I'll focus on this for now, after that I'll start drawing some more maps
@@rewriting-history once you start working on the inevitable Roman map please keep my idea in mind
PLEASE DO A TNO VIDEO or another video using hoi4 images its funny ! btw when African videos?
Is this a hoi4 mod?
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chamblerlin being the leader during the invasion of poland would most likely not declare war on germany in 1939 due to them having no allies in europe at all. and russia defending poland is just the dumbest idea ever so moltov ribbentrop pact would most likely also be signed but more in sercret likely
I never said that the USSR will help them, I just put it up as a question. The finale is open ended, anything can happen
What is this a hoi4 game that you lost?
I think he plays hoi4?
would italy annex any of france's colonies
Not initially. Maybe Tunisia, since they are independent now
@@rewriting-history how about djibouti
@@rewriting-history and would portugal annex guinea and senagal and would spain annex mauritania morocco and gabon
What if South Sudan invaded the Soviet Union in 1984
when france... dies cause of protest... sounds familiar
Why did Britain turn on France?
France couldn't be saved, no matter what the British do. They would much rather take their colonies, since it was guaranteed to happen.
Love your content! What if Henry V survives
7:13 - lmao USSR literally attacked Poland in 1939
I didn't say that they will defend them, I simply raised a question?
Is it possible to have an upload schedule similar to PH? Having some ideas on what’s to come might lead to more subs!
Sure I'll try that, next video I'll show the next 5 videos I'm working on.
So many hoi4 references
This was the idea of the video, did you like it?
and another Napoleon will raise
Would be very interesting for part 2! Nice!
Sorry but this alternate history scenario is terrible.
First, the socialists and communists were in government and they were all concerned about the rise of militarism in Germany.
Second, France has had a fairly strong military industry while Germany was just rearming, if anyone had a guns shortage in this scenario it would be Germany.
Third, France has a much larger number of planes and tanks and it would be years before the Germans could even surpass them in quality and quantity. Even in our timeline the Germans used a lot of Czechoslovakian tank designs that were better than the ones they used, something they can't do in this timeline.
Fourth, GB would never allow a German hegemony in Europe, much less help them achieve hegemony.
Fifth, the USSR would have immediately supported France by sending tons of weapons and volunteers. For a long time they sought to form an alliance against Germany that was always rejected so allowing France to be defeated is simply unimaginable. Even if the French communists attempted a civil war these members of the comitern would simply receive a letter from Stalin telling them to stop messing around and fight the Germans.
HOI4 Is fun but they alternative scenarios are complete unrealistic and dumb, don't use it if you want to make what if scenarios.
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Exactly what I was going for
Honesly I was expeting Poland To join the war
Perhaps they should have, since they were looking for an opportunity to strike ever since Hitler rose to power. I just didn't want this to be yet another allies victory scenario.
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So ill continue it.
Ok britain sides with poland also ussr does. France does to. And in the 1941 german capitulates.
cool
Thank you very much! Appreciate it!
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I will do a full video on that topic very soon!
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Actually I'm from Bulgaria
so unrealistic
Sorry mate, this video was 10 months ago, back when I had 0 experience and anything. My most recent videos are way better and I have learned from my mistakes. Will put a disclaimer on many of my older videos
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The frenchies are mad!
Good video over all but try more creative things. I doubt france would remain a democracy in a literal state of war + civil war as if its the usual. Even with Spain being in civil war this would worry the british too much not to intervene politically to save whats left of the french government
I just replied to your previous comment, did you delete it?
@@rewriting-history no, wierd
@@rewriting-history Huh you definetly should experiment with that one. But honnestly even if france Is fascist I cant see them directly ally with germany anyway, them being fascist/dictatorship doesnt mean they have to be friends especially since they fought a war together, same as franco wouldnt join germany after his own civil war IRL. I think that actually germany would have to settle for less and respect the agreements to not turn everyone against them since there is no "fascist block", given all of europe is de facto under dictatorships. Like France could turn german allies against germany if it suits them and strenghten its alliences in the east, especially with poland, italy and spain. Though your idea of a german war with the soviets is also interestning and could be really fun.
There not being an ideological spearation within europe would change a lot
Very predictable scenario with a boring end. You couldve made Frannce declare a martial law under petain thus turning the country into a dictatorship in the image of franco spain and mussolini. That or make the communists negotiate a peace or actually take over.
Believe it or not, I originally made France fascist where they would white Peace with Germany and focus on their rebels. I scrapped that scenario because I couldn't see what would happen after that. Perhaps France will ally with Germany, helping them get Austria, Czechoslovakia, Poland and etc. In the end, both nations will be defeated, so nothing would change. Do you think I should experiment on this scenario, but they won't attack the USSR, both taking lands from the Benelux for themselves. Also idk if Italy would join Germany if they ally with France. Too many things I couldn't consider and be accurate. This is why I decided to go with this idea instead.
@@rewriting-history Huh you definetly should experiment with that one. But honnestly even if france Is fascist I cant see them directly ally with germany anyway, them being fascist/dictatorship doesnt mean they have to be friends especially since they fought a war together, same as franco wouldnt join germany after his own civil war IRL. I think that actually germany would have to settle for less and respect the agreements to not turn everyone against them since there is no "fascist block", given all of europe is de facto under dictatorships. Like France could turn german allies against germany if it suits them and strenghten its alliences in the east, especially with poland, italy and spain. Though your idea of a german war with the soviets is also interestning and could be really fun.
There not being an ideological spearation within europe would change a lot
Bro graduated from mcdonalds university
Lmao this video is like 10 months old, back in the day I had no idea what I was doing
ill try this in hoi4 💀