Black Conservatives vs White Liberals...we're in hell | Khadija Mbowe
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New video September 21st!
What’s it about?
My brother's birthday XD
Heyyy there internet Auntie! Love the hair, you look amazing all the time, very informative vid btw.
Can’t wait! Btw I love the jack-o-lantern look you’re giving 💅🏾✨🎃
Totally unrelated but I love your new look. That red hair with the bleached brows looks STUNNING ON YOU ❤️🔥
Like others have said, this “debate” was more about engagement and views. I would’ve much rather watches black conservatives vs black liberals. This just perpetuates the “white savior” argument.
I think they've already had that, so they wanted to go another route race wise.
I always did wonder about how something like this would go, but definitely not through Jubilee
id also def appreciate a conservative v leftist video, because american liberals are still very much conservative
When white leftists start calling black conservatives 🦝 the plot has been lost, smh. I hope Mr. Savior has some deep reflections if his intentions are truly altruistic
@@tygerchickchibi I think that was vice actually
Exactly
Folks say slavery was so long ago yet still worship the constitution and go on about independence, the civil war & fly confederate flags.
Also like its a terrible argument because the longer ago something was the more foundational it becomes to the present. The Roman Empire was long ago but Europeans have spent the last 2,000 years living in its shadows.
@@blixer8384Exactly. Like the Enlightenment movement happened CENTURIES ago yet so much of our modern world is a direct consequence of that, honestly we wouldn't have the modern world as we know it if that movement didn't happen.
As well as blurt out, "States' rights!" whenever asked to justify stripping away equal rights and protections for marginalized groups today. States' rights to do what, exactly? I want to hear them say it aloud.
Amen to everything in this thread!
The problem with these people is that they see history as a series of unrelated events. First theres was indians, then colonies, then independence, then the civil war and no more slavery, then Martin Luther King ended racism the end.
Jubilee's only purpose is to create digital engagement and cash out. There is no way they truly care about a middle ground with how divisive their format and questions are.
But that's the point. Is to find middle ground on divisive topics. That's the premise of the show.
It has nothing to do with seeing what we already agree on
@@CadillacBoss30It does that poorly.
And a lot of subjects aren’t something you should have a middle grounds on. Take trans rights as example.
exactly, its all abt attention and money and i wish they would just be honest and lean into that rather than pretending to be something nuanced. they want to aesthetics of politics but its all just for the drama because, yeah no ones coming on jubilee to actually talk it out with the other side, its all just a show. its like reality tv, but its more insidious imo
@@CadillacBoss30 I'm sorry, that's objectively wrong.
@@CadillacBoss30 They're not really trying to find middle ground though. Most of the people that come on just rant about their ideology and talk AT eachother not WITH eachother
I was fighting the URGE to watch this video because it was gonna make me so mad, you’re my excuse to watch it now 😂
It wasn’t as bad as I thought cause my expectations are…dwindling
MOOD 🫣
This is pretty much what I said in my head. I didn't want to watch cause I knew it would trigger me. But I'll watch a reaction from someone I like. Lol
@@KhadijaMbowe they reply!! this some good content! very informative and gave me a way different perspective, now i’m a lil less mad! and with jubilee in mind, you can only expect so much 😭
They also made me think a little differently about jubilee deliberately platforming certain people, like maybe they're not trying to do good but genuinely impartial?
something you said about bringing up the past REALLY reminded me of the situation here in South Africa. The Apartheid regime ended in the early 90s and in 1994, South Africa had its very first democratic election, resulting in the country's first black president (Nelson Mandela). I'm a 22 year old Congolese immigrant who has lived here since 2003 and the amount of times white South Africans my age have said that black and brown people need to "let go" of the past and "move on" is beyond quantifiable. ALL of my peer's parents were raised during the regime, and witnessed the bloodshed and extreme racial segregation. Again, the regime ended in the early 90s.
From 94?! Really?
Man we suck lol
The fucking audacity. If some white person I know say that black people should get over (anything to do with White supremacy and capitalism) I would literally beat them. They really didn't feel an ounce of shame. My parents are still mad about the ottomans conquering romania (the country of my ancestors) but black people arent allowed to be furious about something that hasn't even ended yet. Nothing but hypocrisy
I didn't Crawl out of my moms back door as an anti-racist, but you could never Catch me saying something like that. Even when I didn't really know the shear scale of our current oppressive systems, It was not difficult to understand that that is a incredibly insensitive and disgusting thing to say. Imagine telling Holocaust survivors to just get over it.
That is not even 30 year old history. Majority of the people who were impacted are still alive 💀 why are they being delusional & acting like it’s from Christopher Columbus times; to ease their own discomfort?
I had a conversation/debate with someone about the whole 'get over it. It was ages ago' talking point.
It basically boiled down to "If we're still feeling the effects of it, then is it really over?" Yes, the segregation and dehumanization of black people is no longer state sanctioned (in theory, but that's another topic)... but they're still experiencing those very real issues today. And by telling black people to get over it, you're ignoring their lived experiences and the role you play in the normalization of those experiences by basically claiming there's an acceptable amount of racism and black people don't get to be upset about it until it hits a certain threshold.
EDIT: So I unpasued the video, and Khadija basically said exactly this .5 seconds later lol
I just want to hear someone call a middle aged well spoken white man "articulate". Haven't seen it done yet lol
To be fair articulate middle aged white men don't show up as much as I'd been led to believe they would be
The only time you'll really see it is if the white man is very redneck-ish (? I'm not sure how else to describe it). When you're from a southern, rural or backwoods area with a heavy accent, people are surprised if you know 6+ letter words, and are "articulate."
Don't come at me - I know it's not as commonly seen/talked about as it is when it's us, but it does happen. In this case, it's more North or West vs South. Hell, even South vs South, honestly. "OoOoOo, YoU sPeAk So WeLlllll."
Jordan Peterson people do it all the time
Something interesting: people often call me "articulate". You can see me in my pfp, but I also have a standard southern english accent. I think people are just often surprised when people use words they haven't heard of before. No idea why though.
Funny I do it all the time to white men and women and every one else, you know why? Because I’ve always dreamed of being a mature articulate speaker but it doesn’t come natural and i probably never will be and now I need to except myself for not being that way at all
I'm looking forward to Jubilee's future episode: "white Buddhists vs Asian Christians"
oh my God that’s be a HOT ASS MESS
💀
I want that to be a reality TV show!
YAHOOOO!!!!!! That's Entertainment
I need this video now though
It's so weird being black today because it feels like just by existing you are politicized, especially if your a public figure. It's annoying that I can't just exist and be black..
Do you think there's a time in the USA where that wasn't the case?
I've noticed that counties that had explicit state enforced segregation or had (black) slavery directly in front of people are the ones that are most obsessed withrace relations (USA and South Africa for example).
They are also the countries where their white inhabitants are highly defensive when it comes to talking about race.
@@grandempressvicky6387nah its all over the place.
I grew up in Italy and boy the amount of xenophobia, class, racism is insane.
Northerners hate southerner, it's a back and forth, constant discrimination, reminder of their position and I'm like.... Yall italian
It's worse today. Reddit videos make America think black people are constantly fighting in the street, committing crimes and being degenerates. It's fabricated moral panic that's engineered to make people react or engage, when we should just ignore it. Not enough people understand 'the internet ≠ reality'. The statistics suddenly don't matter when a convenient anecdote is one swipe away.
That has always been the case since the start of time. When has it not in this country ?
Even their thumbnail is problematic 💀 they got the black guy looking wild and the white man is looking like "gee wilikers 🤓"
I mean 👀👀👀
GEE WILIKERS LMAO, I love your comment
Shit made me crack up
My first thought on seeing the thumbnail was "damn, they did him dirty!"
That’s you. I didn’t pick that up.
Got me laughing like a goose out here
I have constantly been told I "speak well" or "sound intelligent" and I always have that internal voice wondering .. Are you surprised cause I'm black ? Thank you for putting that into words
I have no shame, I will look them straight in the eyes and ask them why they assumed I wouldn’t.
@@onosxoAs you should. What that phrase means is "you are smart for a black l person". What kind of back handed compliment is that. Plus blaccents are beautiful no need to shame those of with one or not.
Is that how they say it nowadays? When I was younger people straight just said "you talk like a white person/don't sound black". No room for interpretation.
Another one I use to get is , "you talk white, where'd you learn that"? Bruh. I'm in a professional setting what do you expect me to sound like???
@@DMMA0726 same.
videos like this remind me why i unsubscribed from jubilee years ago.
I thought it was good for like 2 episodes, and slowly... I realised, it was so divisive
Same
Jubilee is a drama channel tbh. ik that they’re trying to market themselves as an “educational” platform that “opens up dialogue” or whatever, but if we’re being honest that’s not what they are. At all. 😂
@@abenagyampoExactly. I HATE it when channels like them try to act like they care about all these causes when they’re just simply piggybacking off of what gets them the most attention.
It feels like something that would come on mtv in the 2000’s
Nothing genuine to be found here lol
Jubilee's Black Conservatives vs White Liberals is more like click-debate than debate. 🤔
New genre alert: clickbate debate
Perhaps a... click-debait?
@@stohehaikr I'm like how can you leave that on the ground?? 😂
Click-debate .... a new subgenre of click-bait.
What about ... "debait"
What you said about while liberals and guilt is very true. When I first started getting into social justice stuff constant guilt was my MO until the day I realized that all that guilt was pretty much self serving, I didn't want to feel bad anymore so every action I took was to aleviate myself from that guilt and not to actually fight oppression or uplift the people who need uplifting, I was only listening to my own hurt and nothing else. I managed to snap out of it when I realized all that, stopped feeling guilt and just started feeling anger at it all instead and it made me a much better activist. Thing is not everyone gets out of the guilt phase. There's whole industries out there centered around nursing and profitting off that feeling of guilt.
Ooooooo!!!! *snaps*
i genuinely believe you're breaking your own generational curses with this attitude, i love that for you
@@mightymeatymech Trying. Decolonizing your mind is a lifelong fight.
Can I hear more about your last sentence w/ the industries centered around nursing & profiting off guilt?
@@32Theresa Hmm I am not sure how to describe it exactly but basically, think of it like a corporate setting that holds sensitivity workshops, right? Now I am not saying that those are bad, it's good to talk about those things, but also a lot of them are kind of...designed to come back every year so to speak. You present the subject, the whole room talks about how they understand things much better and then they'll go about their day, forget it and feel like they are a good person for having gone there. It assuages the guilt a little bit and when they feel bad again, they sign up for the next workshop.
Thing is, a lot of those are designed so that you don't really advocate for any actions that could change the systems of oppression. Because if you do change the system, then the industry can't exist anymore. You have to keep people in sort of a middle ground where they feel guilty enough to always go to these kind of events to feel better about themselves while similarly making sure people don't do the hard work that comes with decolonizing your mind or breaking off the generational chains of prejudice or getting involved into local activism because then, you don't really need those kind of things for validation.
That said this is a really imperfect way of talking about it. The reason I struggle is because there are a million things that goes into this. For example, I do think that ultimately it's better to have people willing to educate people on this than to not have any since the alternative is just letting prejudice sit in workplaces or public spaces. The issue isn't with like, hiring people to talk about these things or hold these events, it's probably because these kind of events are generally too brief to really get into the important stuff and don't really advocate for a way to deal with white guilt in a healthy way that helps you become someone that fights for a good cause instead of someone that just seeks to aleviate their guilt and pain. The idea that there is an industry that has an interest in keeping white guilt going is also part of it for sure but it's not like you can't find people who advocate for activism and doing the hard work needed to become better allies (one of my friends is precisely one of those people) but they also don't get hired as much because the more radical the message, the more uncomfortable people get and the more pushback these kind of things go, meaning the more digestible, surface messages are the ones that are sought out by employers and such. To find workshops and such that will help people become better allies, you kind of have to go to the ones that are held by people passionate about it, held on their own, where the people there will ask you to listen and challenge yourself, who will say unpleasant things that you have to face, deal with, absorb and channel into something productive. Sometimes yeah, that industry will lead to people seeking out others that will tell them more so sometimes, it can be a pipeline towards getting rid of guilt and working for actual changes but more often than not, things just kind of stay the same.
The other part of this that needs to be taken into account is that a lot of the time, those workshops are actually held by bipoc or queer folks and to that, I don't really know what to say. Can I fault a bipoc person from getting a check from their oppressors? Or a trans person doing the same? I don't think I can. You gotta survive on capitalism and you get a paycheck from it with the hope that maybe you'll trully change someone's mind at some point too. Like, despite my issues with this, I want to make it clear that I don't think the presenters or the people holding those workshops are bad people or that they want to perpetuate this or that this is necessarilly calculated. I think most of them are trying to do good and do want to lead people towards liberty but the people and systems in place don't want to get more than tolerance. And don't get me wrong, an employer does see the benefit in using this as a band aid because they want a workplace that is docile where people aren't rude to each other, they don't actually want one where people do the really hard work of digging deeply into their preconceptions and prejudice because that might foster things like worker solidarity or organizing. That said it could also simply be that the owner or leader is a well meaning white liberal who thinks they are doing a good thing by setting all of this up but is uncomfortable with the harder messages or the ahrder work that comes with like, shaking off guilt and getting ready to fight for real for liberty. Often these bosses suffers from white guilt kind of stuff themselves and setting that up makes them feel better too.
I hope this makes sense. I'm trying hard to convey all of this but I also feel like I am leaving a lot of things on the table when it comes to this discussion because often, there's degrees to it, there's context, there's a lot of intricacies and I'm always worried I'm gonna forget something important or crucial in explaining it because I have pretty severe adhd and my brain is often chaotic. Like there's also people who are actively grifting in this, people who pretend to be hosting inclusivity workshops but are actually pushing other agendas, I'm also leaving out people who can channel their guilt in a productive way because, of course that is possible. I'm leaving out a lot of things but this is already a long comment and I am pretty nervous talking about all of this on the internet.
One of the best comebacks imo to "slavery was so long ago" is Dave Chappelle's reply to that. He said something along the lines of slavery being 3 ppl ago. A lot of ppl like to think of slavery being so long ago bc they think of the start date. But reality is when it actually ended in America, it wasn't that long ago. Chappelle's great grandfather was a slave. That's 3 ppl before him. A lot of us has had the pleasure of our great grandparents being in our lives. So its possible ppl Dave's age grew up with their great-grandparent whom was a slave.
i am twenty years younger than dave chappelle, my great grandmother was born on a plantation. but no one told me that cause of ~*~generational trauma~*~ so my dense ass was wondering why she'd damn near cry when i read her the bible 💀💀
i refuse to take responsibility for that ignorance though, i was eight lmao. but yeah when i got older and someone told me she was born on a plantation i felt like i got slapped in the face with cold water.
Bruh... My mom had me read the Bible to my Grandpa because he was born on a plantation and never learned how to read either.😑
@@SCHRODINGERS_WHORE omg twin?? i know it aint just us, but i legitimately hadn't met someone else who went through that lmfaoooo. did they at least tell you WHY cause my family didn't tell me nothin lmao
My favorite comeback is "the people who went through government enforced segregation are still alive "
@@mightymeatymechwhy was she crying?
I would love to see this conversation Black Liberals vs White Liberals cuz I'm progressive but Alec was working every last nerve I had.
It's been done already by jubilee
@@jeffersonhassan4558 I guess I have to search for it. They have so many now, I've lost track. Thanks for the information.
@@jeffersonhassan4558 Did they remove it? I'm struggling to find it. I can find Black Liberals vs Black Conservatives, but I cannot find Black Liberals vs White Liberals.
alec being a little too passionate is hardly the worst thing in this video. as usual the conservatives cause brain rot
If a white liberal said they own their savior mindset, they need to read up on self determination and community building🧍🏽♀️I don't even think that's an extreme leftist perspective, it's simply not a leftist belief to ignore someone's stuff. It makes sense that he identifies as a liberal if that's how he thinks because it's giving more moderate, neoliberal than leftist.
Liberals are not Leftists just fyi! You hit it on the mark!
YES! Liberals AREN'T the LEFT and CENTRISTS are just conservatives
Why can't people see that?
And liberalism isn’t a leftist ideology
I think he wasn't be truthful but debate lord. Like instead of denying it he leaned into the absurd claim. But it was a bad strategy to do that there in that way.
Hes a good dude, just young and not so suited for debate pressure.
"black people, do less" i support this lmao
I support this too! I just feel like when she says you may be a token but get your foot in the door and open it for others who look like you, it's not possible if you are "doing less". Just existing in a predominantly white workspace causes extra stress. So to make it your business to get in the door and find ways to open it for others all while experiencing microagressions and other toxic behaviors can't possibly align with "do less". We do the most and still fight everyday.
"Trump supports Black lives," not gonna lie, I had to pause and laugh hard too
Cause girl why would they ask that??? 💀
He supports them more than the democrats who fund the KKK to this DAY, we’re behind the sham of Black Lives Matter, and Kamala on TAPE saying “I’m not helping them” talking about black people ! 🤣🤣
The way Khadija started cackling like a supervillain 🤣
I'm fairly confident that a majority of the people in DC, including Democratic politicians don't support black lives.
If someone really believes that the septuagenarian white billionaire former president supports black lives, I've got a bridge in NY to sell them.
I had to rewatch that laugh several times. The staccato ASMR killed me 😂
I've got that "you speak so good for a black person" thing my entire life. Now that I'm a youtuber, I always get the "Oh my god, you're black, I would have never guessed."
They don't know about Quinn's Sietch AHAHAHAHA
While I'm no youtuber once I get into science fiction spaces and speak of my passions it's met with surprise as a Black woman. I have heard variations of that a lot. It sucks. I love science fiction because it's the future or a vision of the future that can be hopeful or full of wonder or some badass space marines shooting things 😂. Just existing and enjoying something is "political". I'm like do you understand the genre at all? Those aliens are a stand in for...
Awww man that is cringe. I’m not surprised but that is just such an eye roll.
@@mzgreenjeansapproves “space marines shooting things” is that warhammer?
@@Chloe-ru2eb not specifically I just used space marines because it's a trope that pretty common in cheesy scifi.
I still don’t understand what exactly makes the white girl a liberal in any way
The illusion of moral superiority while still being able to get away with acting in accordance with the selfishness enshrined in conservative ideology.
She's a white liberal so her considering herself "liberal" yet being against about black american causes actually makes so much sense
@@elasit7717 sorry if u misunderstood what I said. I obviously respect ur opinion and perspective but I think u got my point wrong. Only reason I used the term “white girl” is because she’s the only person that’s white and a girl, and I didn’t bother to look back at what her name is. The only statement I was trying to make is that considering everything the girl said in the video, there’s absolutely no reason to believe that she’s liberal, I wasn’t even making any claims about what side is right or wrong.
@@smchp2007 oh my lord I’m so sorry 😂 I honestly did not watch the video, I prefer just listening to takes on these things and was half asleep
Liberal but not for the sake of black ppl it kinda makes sense tbf
12:40 "If hurt feelings make you change your political ideology, then i don't know if you're cut out for this."
This👏🏼 People will throw a whole fit over the tone of a video because it made them feel guilty, now they're choosing bigotry with the "They were mean to me" excuse.😵💫
righttttt lmfao i had someone 'threaten' me with withdrawing their allyship cause i wasn't suckin their tiddies like... ok? take it elsewhere then, cause you clearly didn't gaf bout us anyway...
Idk, a not-insignificant part of why I became more liberal was because I was tired of all my friends making me feel like a bad person
I have a problem with the term "liberal" because it really is a centrist position. That's how right of the spectrum US conservatives are. Show me the collectivist, socialist, communist, anarchists, any stance that advocates not merely for liberal individualistic freedom, but rather for a responsibility from the state or society to uplift those who have been disenfranchised
This
THANK YOU. But, Jubilee would never dare get leftists on the show.
@Smash-gs5kd He’s barely a SocDem
How to tell everyone you know nothing about other countries' political climates - most European countries aren't some leftist paradise full of anarchists and communists. Infact, the far left parties are usually smaller than the far right parties in Europe. Germany's AFD is far larger than Die Linke. In the Netherlands, the far right PVV became the biggest party while the far left parties only won 1 or 2 seats. France's far left candidate lost the first round to a Liberal, with the opposition in the second round being the far-right. The UK doesn't even have a far left party.
@@DaDARKPass What about this statement, changed the fact that American “left” is incompatible with the actual definition?
I'm a white guy who was raised super conservative Mormon christian. This year I finally confronted everything I believed as a kid and found most of it to be problematic, hurtful, and downright cruel. I've only recently become self aware of my binary black and white thinking and how it's affected mine and so many others lives. This video was eye opening and wonderful in many ways. What pitfalls and habits will I need to avoid as I move further left? What advice do you have for white liberals and progressives who want to help the black community without developing a white savior complex?
First step is usually not asking prominent black folks online for advice in a broad sense like this, partially bc it can put the burden of figuring out combatting ur own racism onto them but also, in cases like this, because they probably just won't even see the comment. There are tons of racism 101/antiblackness 101 resources online if you google exactly that, and also you can ask this question more broadly or search for other ppl asking the same thing on reddit, since it's a place more suited for this kind of dialogue than youtube comments 👍 good luck!
She answered this question in the video. Get involved in community work & figure out how you can be of service. Then be of service without trying to be in charge or to dominate conversations.
Worry less about how you’re perceived, and focus on doing the right thing.
@@BoboftheOldeWays not the op of the comment but thanks for sharing ways of helping and how worrying more about helping is what we should focus on. I’m still a little nervous on how others perceive me due to how white conservatives act and whether that changes the perception for white people who wish to help. Of course it’s better to show action rather than say I am a good person.
I will continue to help though in anyway I can because it’s fun to both hang out, talk, and help everyone too. Hope you have a great day!
Engage more with the perspectives of minorities and question groups that are trying to make you angry/complacent
Read Marx don’t be a liberal
"I have a savior complex and you have to deal with that" really isn't that far down the street from "If you make me angry I WILL retaliate violently, and I can't control that". Nah, it's your thing, you take accountability for your own person and behavior. Don't frame it like it's some kind of noble flaw. A savior complex is a bad thing. It's not "I wanna help people" it's "I need to look good protecting a specific group of people, and I don't actually care if any problems get solved or created by me doing so because this is all about serving my ego".
Exactly. One’s more covert with their bullshit while the other is blatant.
Maybe it's because this was literally the *only* criticism you saw in the comments of this jub panel, but I feel like y'all are over doing this savior complex thing alot.
As a man If i hold the door open for a woman am I doin it cause I want to, or cause society sad that's what men are suppose to do for women?
If I give a homeless person money am I doing it because I want to really help this person or because I'm investing in my karmic bank im the hope someone will do the same for me if i end up there?
There's a character named veigar in league of legends and his backstory is about his desire to be the ultimate evil but his ineptitude always lands him in the position of inadvertently saving ppl from worse evils than himself.
Everything can be classified as a virtue signal.
I think that part was comedic.
@@TheNewblade1 I feel like that is an interesting perspective. I was always confused at when Alec said he was a savior, while everybody immediate psychoanalyzed him to only do his advocacy to feel above people of color. Like that was not what he said, the word "complex" did not come out of his mouth.
@@TheNewblade1 well, why are you holding the door for women? Is it because you hold the door for ~any person~ who's behind you? In that case it might ~appear to others~ like you're doing it for women in particular, but you're actually not. But if you do hold the door for women ~specifically~, because they're women, then sure there are questions about why you do that! If you're doing it "because you want to", well WHY do you want to? You can't easily separate that attitude, that tendency etc from the society you grew up in, and the messages it pushes onto people, encouraging certain values and behaviour, giving people certain experiences, and so on
We're all a product of the environment we grow up in, y'know? And if you don't like the idea that you're doing it "because that's what men are supposed to do" then you need to do some honest reflection - and if it turns out you are influenced by that, you need to make a conscious decision to change your behaviour. None of this is a bad thing! It's growth. And the same goes for things like having a saviour complex - you need to look at yourself honestly and work out what's motivating you, if there's any part of it that's actually less than good, if you've been doing harm when you really wanted to help, putting your wants over others', deciding for them what they need. It's not an easy thing to do, but it's important
The difference here is the dude is outright saying he has a saviour complex (I dunno what the comment above is talking about, he says it at 16:27 while answering the question about whether white people have a saviour complex). There's no misinterpretation here! He's done enough reflection to realise he has one - but he thinks it's a good thing. He literally sees it as a virtue, and he's proud to present it to everyone. What he's being criticised for, is that this attitude is not actually a good thing to be embraced. The thing he feels good about is problematic, and accepting that and making an effort to change is the hard part
As a black dude I found Alec's attitude paternalistic and condescending but tbh he was the only person on the liberal side offering any actual pushback to the conservative claims being said. I do think his more confrontational attiude was warranted in certain cases since Chandler was also being a huge debate bro too. But I'll agree he was out of pocket a few times. I think he'd benefit from listening and surrounding himself with more black voices instead of solely practicing his talking points and rhetoric.
I agree. I think in a video or a live stream, he admitted he went overboard and he was wrong about some things. Hopefully, he sees how he needs to improve and works on listening more. He's not as leftist as he thinks he is, so I was not at all surprised that he used to be super conservative because he definitely gives that vibe.
@@bmaze944was he a conservative before?
Yeah, he was definitely a bit much sometimes lol but like you I feel despite that he was the only one who was in any way provoking any discussion or questions rather than trying to be agreeable and be cool about everything even though the conservatives were saying out of pocket shit all the time but in a way that was more easily digestable.
He can definitely learn to listen a lot more. It's clear that it was relatively recent that he shifted from being conservative to being a leftist; he recently learned about all the ways the world can be unjust and is still angry about it, but it's still unproductive. I think he has his heart in the right place and if he learns to not see his political enemies as personal enemies, he might be a good soldier in the revolution lol
Chandler is so annoying he thinks speak faster = sound smarter
@@reneemctume357 yeah I think he gets a lot of both his talking points and his style from ben shapiro ugh
This is the appropriate level of anger and frustration for my Thursday, thank you so much.
I can't even watch it it's so embarrassing 😭🙏 comment for the algorithm
Fair
It's honestly not that cringe
"At least you're still alive to feel those feelings." ohhh girl, i know that's right!
Khadija, saying exactly what I've always felt. Whenever I hear someone complain about bringing up "old sh*t" wrt slavery my first thought is always "the left will stop bringing it up when it stops affecting black people in the present"
right? bigots hate context, and slavery is still relevant context
17:10 Hello, I'm a disabled special education(Deaf studies) student, and we talk about this concept A LOT, which is good bc it's a big problem. We use the term paternalism(not sure if there's other common terms). Basically, the desire to help as a member of the oppressive group, but not respecting the autonomy and capability of the oppressed group enough to recognize that they should be the one's deciding what is help (bc they, y'know, live through it). As one might guess, big problem with disability advocacy with the infantilization of disabled people and general pitying bc disability is seen as being so horrible etc etc. It (clearly) does apply to other marginalized groups as well. This man has an... embarrassing case of paternalism towards Black people.
Not ideal, not allyship.
Sarah Z said something recently that blew my mind. To paraphrase, people adopting new/updated progressive language so quickly bc of discourse, faster than they can update their way of thinking to be actually progressive and unpack all those fun biases we grow up with. Unfortunately good intentions are not enough, we have to know what the feck is going on as well.
Bonus: complimenting someone by saying they're 'well spoken' is one of my personal pet peeves, bc it is ALWAYS said to a visibly disabled person and/or Black person. Like,,,, why wouldn't they be? And it would be fine if they weren't? And it's the way that they clearly see a visibly disabled person and feel weird about it and jump to that compliment. Like just accept the discomfort and try to become used to the idea of someone being disabled or looking different, you'll live I promise. wheW, sorry that one just pisses me off.
This comment is goated imo
I struggle to rein in my paternalism and find the right balance of “helping.” I have such a strong urge to help others and fix things for people. I’m also a lifelong people pleaser which likely ties into it. I even frustrate my young adult daughter by helping before she has asked for help and sometimes didn’t want my help.
Good old conservative "Slavery was so long ago"
My grandpa was forced into indebted servitude at 8yo. My grandmas quit school after the first grade because their parents could afford 1 kid at school at a time and that would always be a boy. my other grandpa joined a gang at 7yo and grew into a life of petty fraud because the only jobs he could get would have him starving for years until he died of black lung.
I'm the second man in my direct family to have finished ELEMENTARY school.
And my family didn't go through Slavery. But all the ones that did have tales eerily similar to mine. All marginalized folks can trace their generational poverty with a bit of scrutiny. Those descending from Slavery can see how their started from a rung even lower than others.
White people too yuh know
@@everfall1075White people were also slaves in America?
white people systematically discriminate against white people? @@everfall1075
@@MeanKnono, but the US is not the only country in the world
@@MrReset94…was the conversation not about slavery and conservatism/liberalism IN America?? 😭
"Slavery was so long ago!" But the last chattel slave that was actually freed was in the 1940s
Really loved this video! Saw the jubilee title and knew it was gonna be a mess. The only thing I would disagree with is the military comments. Most of that money is going to support the American war machine hurting other brown ppl and protecting no one, so I think it’s important to confront, even if it leads to difficult conversations.
Very fair, I knew my ass didn’t know enough about military and spending so that’s why my comment was very general
This. As someone who was at the Oka Crisis where the Canadian military fought against Mohawks and their Indigenous allies it was so eye opening as to how the military treats Black & Brown folks overseas. Much SA as well as other forms of physical abuse on my 15 year old body by soldiers paid to carry on colonialism and occupation
samee
Thiiis. Even when the american government tries to sell the idea that they're fighting for the liberty and democracy of other countries, you know damn well, from looking at history, that they wouldn't be against the most vile racist religious misoginist rising to power, as long as they remained subservient to the US and paid their share.
I debated about mentioning the military spending. I feel like the U.S. has gone into areas in the name of protecting its people when really it’s about protecting the U.S.’s access to resources. Then we just end up with more enemies who hate Americans. Just a never ending cycle.
"You lack the melanin for me to trust you to critique her"
Chef's kiss. People don't understand that teasing - and critique - requires trust.
(I almost added "regardless of who's doing it," but that's exactly the point. You can't successfully critique someone you don't know, or who doesn't know your struggle. You can't accept critique from someone you're not sure truly understands what you deal with day to day)
EDIT: maybe a better word than "understands" would be "empathizes." I'm not making the argument that someone has to fully understand you to criticize you, only that you need to trust them and their reasons for their critique for you to be willing to accept that critique as valid.
Your point is generally useful, but then almost nobody could critique billionaires, so it has limits
@@tagussie I was referring more to a person to person basis, but you bring up an interesting point actually.
Maybe that's part of the reason why, no matter how reasonable the criticism, it gets dismissed. Because in their minds, we don't understand them, and we don't understand why they're so deeply attached to the system that allows them to exploit people to the tune of billions of dollars. 🤔
God I feel like I just realized a problem that has no practical solution 😞
I feel sad, that the way I was born makes me look untrustworthy compared to black liberals, even when we’re giving the same critiques and saying exactly the same things
I live in Finland, my finnish ancestors were never slave owners or took part in that. Finns were poor, simple, hard working folk. Grew our our turnips. We were sometimes taken AS slaves by the vikings, that came to pilage us from time to time, history is funny.
I cannot help my white skin, but I can promise it was not me or my family that hurt you!
@@WitchPaper1 I agree with you 100%. Individuals like Jay z and Rhianna are only able to be billionaires because the system. People who spend so much time criticizing them honestly just seem to be missing the forest for the trees
I think the key word here is SUCCESSFUL critique, and you are absolutely right saying it is difficult for the receiver of critique to internalize it coming from a person in a relatively oppressive class. For white people or other privileged classes, imo the takeaway should be that whether your opinions are right or wrong, others can have valid reasons for not listening to you based on their experiences and cultural context. If you obstinately continue pushing others to take your word after they express doubt, you’re probably just going to make it worse and fail to accomplish anything positive. Between this fact and the ever present possibility that you’re wrong or missing something important in your analysis, your effort is probably better spent addressing the issues you care about in some other way.
I love your content so much. You are so good at explaining things. My instinct is to say, ‘why wouldn’t someone trust me when I share my opinion of C. Owens?’ Same reason I don’t swim with dolphins. I know a lot of them are not aggressive towards humans, but some of them are. It’s not worth it, no offense to the dolphins that did want to swim with me.
But it makes so much sense the way you explain it. And you’re so kind too 😊
Ooo I like that analogy (?) as well cause no not all white folks, but these social issues involving race have been hundreds of years in the making and will take just as long if not longer to undo
04:15 Disagree, I'm not American but I think if you're white and you're truly going to stand up against racism (deconstruction of power structures, reparations, etc) you should do it because you analyzed your own privilege and the world around you and realized it's the right thing to do, not because you feel some weird remorse for what your ancestors did and how horrible they were.
That's the same issue that also perpetuates the ignorance of the people who don't want to learn about the past because they believe that it's only about "feeling bad about what the ancestors did".
This is why we have CRT being banned, PragerU coming to some state schools and products from systematic racism still being practiced/perpetuated. At least that's a partial reason.
The other is control, fear of losing that benefit of privilege as things become more diverse and history becomes less sanitized.
Really weird timeline we live in.
@@tygerchickchibi so true.
You should ask yourself, "Is this the right thing to do" and if it's yes, it's a yes.
yup, because the remorse isn't even genuine, it dies off after a year, then they're back to the same ol
Hella thankful you mentioned the class relevancy at 6:31 for affirmative action. People not only undermine the amount of resources it takes to even have a child fill out a college app to be competitive, but also the readiness to assimilate in a university setting. As an educator of poor Black children , any student from that background who applies has worked really hard. Even if it’s a below average application (which it never is). Bureaucracy is a tool to legalize oppression.
Yes, I’m so glad they mentioned the class aspect too.
honestly surprised that it isn't common knowledge in this day and age
yes!!! a while ago i read something that pointed out the difference between "non-exclusion" and "inclusion" where the latter, while still better than nothing, works only to integrate minority folks into already existing power structures rather than dismantle them. it IS undoubtedly good that university entrance barriers are lowered for minority folk but to even get to the point where you're in your last year of highschool, and then to be able to continue with a 4-6 year university education? that is incredibly difficult for working-class folk, and affirmative action doesn't necessarily address that.
“Slavery was so long ago” okay but my mother in law who is 57 was raised on a plantation In Arkansas tho. She wasn’t a slave but she damn sure was working as a child getting up at 2am to pick cotton. So sure, maybe slavery was a lil minute ago but my mother in law had a master, she wasn’t paid for her work, and she was a child raised on a plantation in a house with no running water or electricity while her master had a big ass house (w/ electricity and plumbing).
And then also “Beeville couple arraigned on charge of holding Negro in slavery on farm (1942) The Brownsville Herald”
I think the argument is that you aren’t a slave and there are no slaves in the US anymore
Did nothing change since then? Are you living on a plantation and picking up cotton for nothing? I bet you don't.
Ugh...I don't want to watch that foolishness but I want to watch you. LOL the second hand embarrassment is strong off the title alone.
The worst timeline lol >.< Also, Ariel shouldn't you be under the sea enjoying peace
I even commented on the community post from this video that you HAVE to react to this AND HERE WE ARE! THE STARS HAVE ALIGNED!!! Thank you for this video, Love
HahHa dreams do come truuueeeee
True. Black people can also be misogynist and homophobic.
As far as affirmative action, let get rid of nepotism instead. Rich people pay their way through life and we get incompetence in every profession because of it. Nepotism kills. If your parents went someone or work somewhere, you should be banned from going there or working there. That needs to be law. Also PSAT classes shouldn’t cost money and should be mandatory for all in school (when after class when is poor kids had to work).
Even better, have college be paid for by everyone with taxes rather than a private service that's paywalled. Same for healthcare. Both of those things together would massively improve their quality, efficiency, and availability.
I'd been thinking a lot about the white savior complex lately, and I don't think it's guilt. I think it's shame. Guilt implies that they've done something wrong, whereas shame is more focused around trauma. To me, unpacking being white in a society that values whiteness felt exactly like unpacking my childhood trauma. And it certainly feels like a powerless place, too. That could be why people like Alec try so hard to be in control. It could be his way of regaining control/power in a situation that seems otherwise hopeless to him.
Idk man, what if Alec acts that way just cause he's white and he thinks his opinion matters because of the way culture normalizes the idea that his opinion matters? I feel like it's a bit inaccurate to say a person who is traditionally given a lot of control will over enthusiastically claim that control because they are ashamed to have it? Shame or guilt makes people more hesitant/shy or they try to get others to forgive them, neither of which he was doing.
The idea that racism is traumatic to people of European descent
It is.
As far as I’m concerned, “white privilege” just means you’re being used
Being conditioned to hate others or look down on others
Being conditioned to blame yours or societal woes on people in your situation or worst situations, instead of blaming the people in power of those situations
Blaming the Canary in the coal mine instead of the mine owner
It’s the cognitive dissonance,
if you really think about it, the idea of race makes no sense whatsoever.
That you can actually know anything about another person based on the color of their skin doesn’t make any sense whatsoever
The idea that people of the same Skin color somehow share the same culture is nonsense
-Having a shared history does not directly correlate to a shared culture.
The idea that the color of your skin is a valid social identity doesn’t make sense
The idea that “us vs them” can be based on the color of your skin is actually weird.
But it plays off of the human nature of us vs them
Sadly humans will always think in terms of us vs them
But we are conditioned as far as who is “us” and who is “them”
And using color as that divide is maddening
Being used and being lied to by “your own people” is traumatic
@@p0rnany0ne I don't really agree with this take because I think it excuses any behavior white people do as just "dealing with trauma." And the question this take raises is where does it stop? If Alec is just a white guy who is upset because "his own people" failed him, then who failed those people. Is every white person just acting out in response from the trauma some vague "other" white person caused in them? Could you ever pin down the original racist white person that caused all the trauma, or would you just excuse the actions of everyone?
In the end, I think the truth is that yes white people are taught to react/think in these ways, but if they are an adult they should be able to unpack that and deal with it, instead of making other people make space for their feelings of guilt or shame.
I think you have to acknowledge that Alec is in control of his own actions and if hes being disrespectful and rude in a debate that is his fault. He is not a child, and he can take responsibility for himself.
I think sometimes the guilt comes from being taught/living a culture that supports and pushes racist ideas. Similar to people brought up in hateful Christian communities/families. Voting for hateful right leaning Politicians, simply because their parents do. It is the guilt and/or shame of once giving their power to something they no longer support.
I really love that distinction between how can I be of service vs how can I save. I think that’s a great question to ask yourself when reflecting on your own opinions/actions and digging into what your motivation is.
I haven't finished watching the original video or this one yet but I think its interesting to mention the first question referring to white people having more advantages than black people and specifically Aliya's take on it being that she personally hasn't experienced those disadvantages, but she does appear more racially ambiguous due to her lighter skin tone so she would most likely be favored based on her lighter skin and by how pretty she is as well. Besides that many people use this argument of not experiencing something first hand to deny or invalidate the severity of an issue. This was commonly seen with covid too, stating that it wasn't that bad because youre family wasn't personally affected. Also her voice gaining attention due to her race is partly due to likeminded black conservatives seeking people who agree with them and other conservatives from other races but also a big factor is based on white conservatives using black conservatives as a sort of token or proof that they are not "brainwashed" and hype them up sometimes without even caring about their opinions but rather to shove it down the mouths of other black liberals.
Do you really believe white conservatives watch black conservatives just so they can prove black liberals wrong?
also poc who say this just tend to be a lot more clueless to how other people are acting towards them tbh
i'm pale af and still notice the bs on occasion
@@TheBiggestMoronYouKnow hey I’m a black woman living in the uk and I personally don’t think black ppl are oppressed, what type of stuff do you think you notice? Just wondering x
I got my ENTIRE life with this video 😩. Thought provoking, funny, yk typical khadija 🤭
Omg hiiii boo!!
Bless you Khadija! I saw this video on my home page and went oh hell no I’m not taking the bait this is going to be trash, and clicked do not recommend. Then hoped someone I follow would do an analysis/react video cos damn it I want to see but cannot tolerate the bullshit.
Not Giving them a dime of your time! 👏🏾 👏🏾 👏🏾
Love seeing people choose their peace
I don't understand the affirmative action argument. I went to a top school and never questioned if I was there because I was Black because I didn't care. I was prepared, intelligent, and completely capable. If affirmative action allowed me to join the less than 2% of African Americans in my freshman class, then I'm ok with that. I think some people just need more self confidence.
Clarence definitely needed it
It’s the fact that it’s unfair and outdated. U may not care that u went to a top school and benefited from affirmative action because well u reaped the benefits but people have the right to critique an unfair and outdated system
@@incognitojon902 The system is not outdated and unfair. As I said, I was part of a freshman class that was only TWO PERCENT Black. Asians made up more than 30% of that class meaning an Asian applicant had more than FIFTEEN TIMES the chance of being accepted than a Black applicant. If an Asian applicant didn't get accepted, they didn't lose out to a Black affirmative action applicant, it was more likely a white applicant who took their spot due to legacy and other programs that benefit the rich and privileged.
@@brendajameson5093 exactly! It's the feeling that Black people don't belong in these spaces and are resentful of seeing a Black face.
@@brendajameson5093 Thats not how percentages work. If the application pool was 40% Asian and 1% Black, and the school wound up being 30% Asian and 2% Black, for example, than Black people would actually have a HIGHER chance of getting accepted. The whole “30/2 = 15 therefore Asians have are 15x more likely to be accepted” thing is just terribly wrong.
This was one of the messiest concepts, lol. I mean... Jubilee knows how to get views. I find the problem with most "debates" online is people enter wanting to be right and win (aka. entering in bad faith), rather than understand why someone else might see the world a different way than they do. It's a mess out here and not much has been resolved.
Yes, this is why I value inquiry over debate
The skin is glowing, the hair is giving Leeloo.
But thank you for making a video on that Jubilee episode. It was too much for me, I couldn't finish it. There is ATLEAST some levity in this. I feel like some of these Jubilee videos are just trying to make people angry, like yes these are difficult topics, but I shouldn't feel tired after watching a youtube video.
I don’t have the mental space for this. But I’m commenting for the algorithm.
And the crowd said AMEN!!
I am picking up wtf you are putting down.
I am indigenous, I can only understand from my on perspective on life in my skin. Each word you said was in implanted into my brain as gospel. I hear you. I hear you as much as I can with the ears I have.
Thank you for saying it. I feel seen I feel heard. I know this was not said for me, tho I hope you know your words are changing minds and expanding minds.
Thank you for the work you do.
Take care of yourself
- blessings ekosi
There's so much nonsense out there, but I think you hit it on the head when you brought up trust. As a mixed person married to a black man, we have had several conversations talking about how white _leftist_ activists (as in, self-identified socialists) are untrustworthy, and a lot of it comes down to that assumption of knowing what's best when in reality you have no idea what the other person's life is like. That disconnect and lack of trust then causes any future misunderstandings and missteps, which are human and natural, to stand out so much more and become the reason for further distrust.
None of us have all the answers. If you can accept that, then the logical thing to do next is to ask clarifying questions AND accept that the answers you get are sincere. If you don't believe the other person is sincere, then you have a bigger problem that must be solved first before you'll get anywhere.
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On a totally separate note, I take issue with calling the political spectrum a horseshoe. That is centrist propaganda. The real left-right spectrum is about who is more important and who should have power over others. Far leftists believe no one should ever have power over others, while far rightists believe there should always be one person/group with total power over everyone else.
The _only_ overlap between the far left and the far right is an agreement that the status quo is not okay. This is why they're called extremists--they believe the current situation is so bad that drastic measures are _required._ But who decides what counts as extreme? The centrists.
Yes, thank you for critiquing the horseshoe theory! Fish hook theory is much more accurate, it shows how centrism actually plays into the pocket of the far-right all the time and gives fascism a pass.
THANK YOU FOR BRINGING UP LEGACY ADMISSIONS!! I was thinking about that during that question the whole time.
The cat sleeping on the arm of the couch gave me inner peace.
Jubilee is basically worthless from an academic perspective. It's just people with opinions, it has no bearing on fact. Anyone can lie, anyone can make something up to suit a narrative. The arguments aren't even well balanced, it's all about who gets the last word or optics, has nothing to do with having a valid argument.
When you touched on the savior issue being about control I immediately thought about how I feel about philanthropy! It's not about helping It's about "i know what's best, I'll do what I want, and you'll be greatful or no help for you"
16:35 honestly considering how black men seem to think protecting black women is nonsense it’s actually nice to hear men enthusiastically talk about defending women. I don’t care about the negative ways this can be spun, it’s sad that this doesn’t largely exist in the black community.
The only bm I've heard that from are the ones that genuinely dislike bw
@@ComedyGlor But there are a lot of those types of bm. Or they're at least the loudest on the internet and aren't really challenged by bm who don't think that way.
@@talgitangi9031 true
Honestly that’s just the different ways misogyny can present itself
Although when it’s benevolent it’s usually going to sound better than the alternative of hostile apathetic misogyny
Great video! I love the non judgemental feel for your channel. The care you put into videos, even a jubilee react, is amazing!
Those statements like “Trump supports black lives” are so vague and useless I don’t even know how they could manage to get a conversation going.
Black conservatives are scary. As a shelteted Euro white girl, I've learned to trust creators of color not to be brainwashed maniacs. I once clicked on a Black woman's video expecting a discussion about some racial themes in a cartoon, and I believed what I heard, but it quickly started spiraling. About 15 minutes in she was full on going on about how slaves enjoyed slavery actually and something something woke culture. Looked through her channel and it's all her trying to score brownie points by complaining about "woke" news. For the first time I felt like I was getting lured into the pipeline so many kids fall to these days. Cause it really makes sense at first, and unless you already know better, you won't catch on when bs begins.
I might know who you mean but yea, soon you'll start to be able to find who isn't unhinged by seeing how they title videos, their comment section, thumbnails, ECT.
Reminds me why I have to watch many videos before subscribing. Also don't make assumptions based on what someone looks like. Tho a black person with a natural or protective style is more likely to be left leaning bc hair is political too, but of course not all the time. Content matters more.
Just offering some things I noticed bc I try to avoid all content I already know don't vibe with me. Having a problem lately where if I watch too many shit post shorts on RUclips, I'll start to get centrists or anti woke types. Meh.
Can I ask what country you’re from? Wanting to move to a European country w/ better healthcare/ safety/ environmentally friendly
Your racism is startling. You need to reflect on how you expect people of certain hues to think a certain way. That's pretty prejudicial and stereotypical
@@blacksocrates1 💯💯
@@blacksocrates1stop playing dumb to the fact that there are communities of people who have never interacted with members of a minority group. The op probably was told by multiple black people to listen to their voices when it comes to black issues and wanted to follow their lead to not perpetuate anti black racism. Then dummies like you try to confuse her trying to make her think that doing the thing black people told her to do makes her racist when she correctly points out that conservatives will deny legitimacy to “identity politics” yet will use their own identities to shield criticism of conservatives ideas . You are the problem.
Just started my masters in sociology! Thanks for holding my hand and being my internet auntie 💜💜
Also thank you for making this video. I was wondering what others thought.❤
For the record, in terms of you being such a great orator, I think you excel at making your points thoroughly and thoughtfully while also still being approachable and accessible in how you communicate. You make sense and educate and entertain well.
Your Candace Owens point perfectly articulated how I feel, also the orange braids, shades and bleached brow combo 🔥
we're in such a silly, hellish era ✨
So silly, so hellish
Your analysis is so on point and I was laughing the whole time, great video !
Totally agree with what about said at 18:08 (& basically everything else you said but I’m white so I think I can speak to this specifically) - Long time watcher, I’m white and left leaning, and a community worker (community planner for the city of Toronto). I used to feel this in myself when I was younger, this need to show BIPOC I’m “one of the good white people”, but I’ve come to the conclusion (glad you agree) that white people should hold that guilt and sit with it. It’s one of the ways to keep us accountable for the structural racism and daily racism we see day to day. It’s also one of the ways to make sure we don’t get too high and mighty/white saviour-y. Also just like.. if marginalized communities have to deal with racism day to day, the least us white people can do is feel a bit of guilt about it. We need to show through continuous words and actions of standing up for minority groups we are trying to be allys to BIPOC, not prove one time we are different to get rid of the guilt.
Also so true about community workers thinking they know best because they have done the reading and stuff. Something we are taught in urban planning school when working with communities, especially indigenous communities, is to ask them what they want and then help them with the knowledge and tools we have as professional urban planners to achieve what they want - as opposed to coming in and being like “you need this and I’m right bc I’m the expert”.
White leftist here and I completely agree!!
Absolutely beautifully worded. Thank you so much for expressing this message, intentionally caring about the minority and their communities, and being mindful of others. ❤ Keep up the good work!!
From my perspective (western European, definitely a history of slavery and such) this mindset is very north American. The concept that you should feel eternal guilt or shame for something that you had and have no direct involvement in, cause that's how I see it. To me such a concept is just as racist as labeling a black person as less than, just cause they're black
You see a person's skin and go "they're guilty", what are you basing that on
I don't even know who my ancestors are, maybe they were uber poor, low status, had no money or power to have any influence on how other Europeans were treating local people in South Africa, Indonesia, etc. But I'm still guilty, cause I look similar? Make it make sense
@@439801RS As a N. American black & white person, I disagree with this statement. In the past, Europeans & North Americans of all classes looked down on even the black and darker skinned people. No matter how wealthy or poor, because it was systemic racist belief.
Even now, at least in American society, there is classism that plays a role in advantages and benefits different races have, but they all still view black & brown people as less than, due to historical propaganda against them.
Black and darker skinned people carry heavier burdens on a systemic and societal level more than white, and white-passing people will, just in a general sense.
I understand the guilt because at least through an entire black persons life, they struggle for just living in their skin, although I have no connection to my history or ancestors, and am unsure if they were ever wealthy. It makes sense, at least to me, because we still face repercussions from our global history every day, and will continue to if more people don’t have compassion for the obstacles minority people face due to white people’s ancestors/skinfolks actions.
@@439801RS I feel like that's why most European countries that have had a colonial history are showing several symptoms of colonial and racial amnesia because they lack the gumption to address the things that happened in the past and are still affecting human beings, especially people of colour in real time. I believe it is warranted to assign this specific type of culpability to white people, especially when you directly benefit from a system of oppression like white supremacy and have been granted white privilege because of it and the important question is what are you doing about it to dismantle it? Like I can understand that it's not your fault that you've been granted white privilege but once you're old enough to realize these inequalities, it is thus your responsibility to dismantle white supremacy. Like it's not something of the past like you're still directly involved. Like I feel it's the same as asking "aryan Germans" to not feel guilty for what happened to the Jewish people but that guilt and shame was instrumental in helping create an educational system in Germany that educates the youth about the events of WW2 that led to 6 million Jewish people being killed. So I don't believe that it's a North American mindset at all because Germany is a western European country that was driven by guilt and shame and channelled that into action for the better. If Germany didn't feel the slightest remorse, shame or guilt, I don't think that would sit right with the world, I'm sure a lot of countries would've called it out. Like in my books, Germany is forgiven because of that, like they earned this forgiveness with all the efforts they put in. The question that arises is if you should forever feel ashamed, guilty, or remorseful? The answer is as long as white supremacy and white privilege exist then I feel like you should sit with the guilt but once it's gone you're free to no longer be plagued by the guilt and that's not the case so .....
i like this format of video ! would love to see more chill commentary like that
Re: military spending. I would be interested to know what the likely implications would be of cutting that budget by like 5%. Cuz just that would be a lot of damn money. I do not know what is actually required to “keep our country safe”. I do know that the military industrial complex is at least in part a vehicle for shady people to grift and control our government decision makers. That is unambiguously a huge problem that we can’t just turn a blind eye to.
I’ve been wondering about this as well. I believe last year (?) the Department of Defense had around 61% of 3.5 trillion going unaccounted for in its audit. I wonder what happens to the money? I think more people against the exuberant budget for the military should first protest for investigations into where the money goes rather than straight up say it’s not protecting civilians. Until then we truly have no more information about it then what the government decides to tell us. Sort of scary.
Not to mention that the military industrial complex's present-day actions in the rest of the world are largely an extension of the same history of imperialism and colonialism that makes reparations (to marginalized communities in the global North as well as destabilized and intentionally underdeveloped countries) more than justified.
Thanks for the video! The sunglasses were iconic.
💜 I just love your stuff! Thank you not only for sharing your thoughts but also for sharing your philosophy around bringing nuance to “the discourse”
It's not easily quotable, but a very quick read: I highly recommend Ida B. Wells' article "Freedom of Political Action." Remembering that, at the time, Republicans were progressives and Democrats were conservatives. She writes a pretty blistering response to the suggestion that Black folks "owe" their vote to anyone.
I’m actually glad you didn’t show clips of the actual arguing, because these videos never fail to upset me, but I always like to hear what you have to say, so I was hesitant to click on this video but I’m glad I did
Yes, I refused to watch the actual video, but I did want to hear what Khadija thought about it. I’m glad there weren’t many clips.
I love catching your videos early, your voice is soothing and it’s always a good vibe! Thanks for the work you do ❤
the editing was on point, first clip made me run to the video first then back here. i love how you spoke about suspicions based on legacy (patterns) how making REAL and severe ammends will help people regain trust., I think that's something to be emphasised for any crises and repair cycle. the video felt shorter than it was
watching this to fill myself with rage and redirect the energy into work 👍
I don’t want to see another debate video of ANY kind for as long as I live so respectfully imma have to sit this one out see you next time
Love the glasses and attitudes, thanks for another awesome video!
Girlllllll the melanin, glasses, and hair OHMYGOD you are serving a look😍
Honestly I mean this in the most sincere way while I’m sure we don’t agree on alot of things I really respect how open minded you seem to be to realize things are true even if they don’t necessarily support a view you have on something and how you try to see other sides of the argument and more importantly you make a lot of good criticisms of both sides. That’s super rare today on both sides of just about every argument.
Khadija is serving with this new look 👏🏽
she's literally a natural born ginger, wym /j
Khadija, every time I see a video of yours I learn something new. My eyes open a little bit more ❤ Thank you
Thank you for the Living Single reference. ❤ It made me giggle in the best way.
Quick side note, Khadija you're killing it with the hair 🧡. Gosh you're just drop dead gorgeous 🤭, keep doing what you're doing girl 🧡
I was just thinking that... that hair and those glasses 🧡🧡🧡
@@merriame9487 OH MY GOSH YES the glasses just add that extra touch 🧡😭
YAYYYY NEW VIDEO (I am very excited)
IKR!?
Same
OMG! That signed sporty spice tee!!!!! Also, great views and content, as always!
10:00 your reaction brought me some much needed joy today. Appreciate your content a ton! 💙
Khadija, Love your content! Also to your point about when white people speak out of turn, I wanted to bring up something I saw last week. A white tiktoker asked a black creator about the Montgomery riverfront brawl. She asked as a white person if and when something like that should go down again how can white people help and let people of color know hey we're here to fight with you, how can we let you know we're on your side. I don't remember the creators specific response to that, but she talked about that people of color don't know that they can trust white people, or which white people are trust worthy. And that white people will have to educate themselves, earn trust through action and not just words, but also be aware that no matter what some people will just not trust you intentions no matter what, knowing why that mistrust is there, we (white people) are just going to have to accept that as a reality.
My view point watching this tik tok is i'm glad the woman asked the question and that the creator answered with ways to help but also a reality check in there. There are those of us educating ourselves to be better allies. But we're not going to always get it right, nor do I think it's possible to get it right 100% of the time because everyone has different perspectives nd view points on how to solve problems. But myself, and I'm sure other white people, are aware that it can be tricky knowing that aside from educating ourselves when it's better and appropriate to ask opinions of people of color their view point on ways to be helpful without sounding like we expect you to know the answers or show us how to solve the problem. I recognize the complicated line that exists there.
Every hole is a goal stoppp 😅 love learning from you. You’re super well spoken and intelligent, sure you’re changing lots of minds. Very true it could be a diversity vibe hire and glad you’re take full advantage of opportunities that come your way regardless. But you’re so smart of a human, i hope you feel more confident in yourself in that aspect.❤ 💜
i appreciate ur mind and exploration of nuance so much, thank you sm for the work you put into this education!!
It has to be said…..You’re videos essays are awesome! You are extraordinary!! :D
❤❤❤ I love your contagious laugh so much, I hear you laughing and I'm laughing. Excellent content ❤
As a black woman I have to ask, what are black conservatives conservative about? Slavery? Jim Crow? What about conservatism benefits black people?
Moral values, failed democratic policies
They, like many of their liberal counterparts, value their adjacency to white power more than they value their safety.
People have the right to believe what they want to, but Black conservatives, at least in an American context, seem to think that by aligning with white conservatives, they can gain benefit or access to the resources white conservatives have.
It’s about hierarchy and power, they know that they can’t be the king, but maybe they can be the head knight or court jester.
Liberals don't believe in morals how?@@jordannewsom3606
@@jordannewsom3606what values? No rights?
@@JonCage9 No rights? No. More safer communities
This is really thought provoking. Thank you.
Your first line of the video already got me CRYING 😂 also LOVE THE SHADES
Oh, this is about to be SOOOO GOOD!!!!
LET’S GOOOOO!!!👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
This was a fun watch! I really enjoy your content! 😊