I bought an old house 30 years ago. Within 6 years I replaced the 2 HVAC units with 1 system. With nothing better to do at the time I helped the installer remove the old units and held things for him during the install of the new unit. Once everything was cleared out we were peering into the crawl space. I said where's that rusted out pipe going. The whole bottom half of the pipe was gone. It spanned 15 feet across the crawl space to the other side of the basement. It was the metal flue for one of the old furnaces. I turned white as a sheet. My family could have had a serious out come if the house hadn't been so drafty. The owner of the company hired me several years later because he liked what he saw in me that day helping his installer. I learned a valuable lesson that day and I always pointed things out to homeowners if things weren't right with their other home systems.
Great videos! I spent 35 years in the hvac business and I really enjoy watching you work! I was the same way as you by looking at every appliance even if it wasn't the appliance they called for. I always leave the job site in better condition than I found it. It was pure laziness not to remove the 2 water heaters and cap off the vent pipes at the chimney.
Thanks for the videos. I am a home inspector in upstate New York. In my state you are required to go to school and of course pass a state test, neither of these really prepare a person to be a thorough home inspector. I have been in the construction industry for more than 35 years, building and remodeling homes. Even with that experience still I don’t know everything. Especially when it comes to hvac. As a contractor I guess I put a lot of trust in the people I hired. As a home inspector I am continuing to educate myself about different components of a home that I may not be as familiar with. And yes there may be some inspectors out there who don’t have any business being one, just like some hvac guys who have no business being out there. So anyway, I appreciate your videos. They are very informative to me and well done. Keep up the good work!
👁WOW👁 Makes me glad I stayed in industrial-commercial refrigeration but I like your channel and your style. Integrity & NO Hack work! No BS to the customer & keep it safe! Thanks 👍
My dad was an electrician. He was called to an older ladies' house one day. The breaker kept tripping on her oil furnace. We went to look at the oil furnace and found the flue pipe was nearly rusted through completely in one area. As I recall, her bedroom was right above the furnace. Just now thought about that. The lady was a very tough person. She was widowed for many years. I think her children all passed away and she recently passed in her 90s.
Ran into this same thing in Michigan. Took it all apart and the chimney was collapsed on the inside. Couldn’t run a chimney liner down through it if we tried. Ended up abandoning the chimney and selling them a new 90% water heater and furnace. Total mess.
I have watched many this type of videos, and help me to do my own maintenance/repair at house, seeing inside of houses, basements of peoples, and can not believe how some of them are in very bad shape and unsafe and dangerous , and also how some of companies ripped $ome people off.
Fly by night. I went to commercial installation to get as far away from attics and crawl spaces and BS like that as possible. How in the hell can they get away with that shit. That is exactly how I almost lost a customer.
Also, condensation in the flu doesn’t really happen with 80 percenters as the flu temps are too hot. High efficiency equipment that produces condensate cannot be piped into a clay lined chimney. That’s when either a concentric vent kit is used or separate venting piped outside from another location is utilized. I’ve even seen pvc pipe run down the existing chimney to the high efficiency appliance, which is legal where I’m at.
The two WHs are from 1989, the year is encoded into the serial number, starts with MMYY. You mentioned that 80% AFUE furnace is not allowed to be piped and vented through a clay lined masonry chimney. Is this some sort of local code, because NFPA allows it as long as the flue is sized correctly. Here you typically need a metal liner to reduce the flue size when the appliance is converted from oil to gas or the clay liner is missing and or shot. Thanks.
The power vent exhaust on the nonhigh efficiency hot water should pitch downward to drip away from the structure and be at least 5 feet away from an opening that is above it. They should have used the crawl vent for the exhaust opening and it would have been easier to do and that would allow them to raise the heater.
Wow, what a hack job. Plumber should have taken care of it. If a home inspector was here, he/she would have been responsible if there would have been a c/o incident. Thanks for posting.
I wonder if they told the homeowner they could get a better price if they were allowed to leave the old tanks and smoke pipes under the house intact. Would that be unusual?
Flushing with rx-11 stands the potential of contaminating the new system. My recommendation would be investigate something called pipe wiping. Enjoyed the clip, thanks again.
northern mn here my new propane hearth is vented 90 degrees north side of house double wall stainless flue pipe but on days colder than -25 below condensation frost plugs the inlet part of pipe i have to check it daily or it throws error code
Looks like a level metal flue with no ability to catch and remove condensation caused that fluen to fail and the uncapped abandoned flue pipes didn't help any either
Talk about CO leaking! They're lucky it is under there house, probably pulling in a draft as you said. If it was in a basement would definitely be letting out large amounts of CO especially being a standard 80%! Just got a 96.1% efficient furnace installed with AC and love it, can walk by the PVC exhaust pipe and not really smell anything. On top of that way less lower gas bills. Got a Amana with a lifetime warranty on the heat exchanger only thing getting used to is the concentrate pump but that drains right into the washtub and is not noticeable really. The difference between that with rebates and a standard 80% is not that much difference. Like they said the standard 80%'s are mostly for rentals nowadays. Also love the LUX brand thermostats, came with the new Honeywell and gave it back, like LUX brand because they all have an adjustable "swang" +- from .5 to 4 degrees off set temp. Thermostat is right above a heat vent although with a deflector still puts out a little more, all Honeywells seem to be low on features and are stuck at .5 degree differential with no way the change. Which was kicking it on and off every 5 mins. Like the Wi-Fi, but LUX has Wi-Fi models as well upgrade to in the future. Thermostat I have is less than a month old was under $50 and works much better than the $199 Honeywell. If you have a brand new home properly insulated the Honeywell might be ok but in a 100 year old home these thermostats are a lifesaver for the furnace to not sure if cycle all the time. Parents had a lux thermostat from '99 installed with the furnace furnace needed no repairs in AC and I contribute that a lot to the thermostat not short cycling the furnace!. Best in my book and easy to set up, Honeywells are right up in the same category as nests in my book. For the price and the features you get can't beat LUX thermostats. Furnace was on every 5 minutes before, now on for 10 to 15 in 30 degree weather and off for 30min huge difference and really no temperature drop difference. Like that all of them have the temperature swing setting if you want it if not it can work the same as the Honeywell At .5
I spent 30+ years in construction, I tried for a inspector position and was denied because of no college degree. My paintings contractor was offered the job ,because he had a business degree. He looked at me and said, I know nothing about construction but paint work. He was told he could start immediately. I was used in housing court, as expert witness. The city inspectors lack of knowledge was disturbing.
Such a gross crawlspace. I removed 1,000lbs of garbage and old building materials from mine. Just because you don't see it, doesn't mean it's not there people.
Did you look at the transition between the furnace and coil? It looked like they used the old transition for the tall skinny furnaces and maybe blocked off some of the furnace supply side
In my basement, I have single wall pipe from my 1987 water tank and older boiler into the chimney. Is that in violation? A few years back, I had to replace a rotted out section.
looking at the serial number on the water heaters is saw the first four of 0189. I would guess January or the first week of the year of 1989. That flue was bad, seen some like that here in my area. The ANSI Z21.10.1A-1988 is just standards on the installation of said water heater standards of 1988.
first off 1988 is the ansi date not date unit was made, but I don't see how the plumber not removing those old water heaters and flues is even relevant to the rotted flue for the furnace
Tony it’s not relevant aside from poor workmanship. The issue is if he touches anything he needs to bring it to code. He cannot easily vent into that chimney at this point.
Mookie Man There normally isn’t an open thimble in the basement or crawl space for the same chimney as a fire place. If a house has a fireplace AND furnace there are two separate chimneys. That house looks new enough to be that way.
Very strange condition you found. This video must be older than January though. How isn't there any snow? Remove the old pipes. Don't force a 90%er bullshit furnace on them though. They are a scam. They are junk. They last maybe 10 years max.I know you are a dealer with them, but do not demand they buy a 90% ever. Be like Steve, and ask first, do you want a 90, or do you want an 80 again, and rebuild the current chimney? That's what you do. If anything, I think the people in the south should have the 90+s. Up in the north, no, we need the 80s. Too many problems with condensation pipes freezing. Flue pipes will freeze ice up totally solid and shut down the unit. They have it all backwards. For the time that the 90% units run up here in the north, they are destroyed prematurely. They can't handle the heat call load. BTU is always BTU no matter what. I hope the 80s never phase out. They actually work, for us folks in the north. Happy new years to you.
I just had a short or "low boy" (32") electric water heater installed in my Florida condo. May I ask why you said that they don't make these anymore? Might you have been referring to gas units only?
If that happened in NYC the gas company would be called and a big red sticker would be placed on the door making it illegal to operate the unit due to co2 poisoning risk
the tankless exhaust is supposed to be pitched downwards to the outside, from what I recall installing that type/brand long ago, there was also some minimum clearance to combustible materials I don't recall offhand.
complied with 1988 standards, guessing by serial number it's 1989 (1st month). I think that's how the serials went on those, too much info in my dome to recall without looking it up and I'm not going to lol
The 1988 date is correct. My dad had this same tank in his basement working trouble free. It hadn’t been serviced since 1993 and when my dad moved out of the house in 2015 the tank was still running as it should. I remember as a kid we could all shower and have the dishwasher running and there would never be a lack of hot water. They aren’t like that now!
You know you can not get a oil fired furnace above 86%. That being said it is not required for a furnace at least in my area to meat the 90% mark. The mistake you made with most high efficiency hot water, furnace That the need a vent strait to the outside because the flue gasses are so cool they will not drat right though a traditional chimney. Their dose not have to be any special liner. Most real chimneys are refractory lined and it is not necessary to do more than replace that pipe. Fake chimneys You may need to change the pipe. Some the things Could be just some local codes..
It's good to see someone doing another trade paying attention to the surroundings and let the homeowner know what's going on.
Big picture is important:)!
I bought an old house 30 years ago. Within 6 years I replaced the 2 HVAC units with 1 system. With nothing better to do at the time I helped the installer remove the old units and held things for him during the install of the new unit. Once everything was cleared out we were peering into the crawl space. I said where's that rusted out pipe going. The whole bottom half of the pipe was gone. It spanned 15 feet across the crawl space to the other side of the basement. It was the metal flue for one of the old furnaces. I turned white as a sheet. My family could have had a serious out come if the house hadn't been so drafty. The owner of the company hired me several years later because he liked what he saw in me that day helping his installer. I learned a valuable lesson that day and I always pointed things out to homeowners if things weren't right with their other home systems.
Great videos! I spent 35 years in the hvac business and I really enjoy watching you work! I was the same way as you by looking at every appliance even if it wasn't the appliance they called for. I always leave the job site in better condition than I found it. It was pure laziness not to remove the 2 water heaters and cap off the vent pipes at the chimney.
Thanks for the videos. I am a home inspector in upstate New York. In my state you are required to go to school and of course pass a state test, neither of these really prepare a person to be a thorough home inspector.
I have been in the construction industry for more than 35 years, building and remodeling homes. Even with that experience still I don’t know everything. Especially when it comes to hvac. As a contractor I guess I put a lot of trust in the people I hired.
As a home inspector I am continuing to educate myself about different components of a home that I may not be as familiar with. And yes there may be some inspectors out there who don’t have any business being one, just like some hvac guys who have no business being out there.
So anyway, I appreciate your videos. They are very informative to me and well done. Keep up the good work!
As Steve Lav would say.. “that’s a shit show. Sure ain’t no Taj Mahal momma!”
And he'd have fixed this mess.
Except that's probably at least a $500,000.00 house.
@@tuffram2165 Irrelevant
👁WOW👁 Makes me glad I stayed in industrial-commercial refrigeration but I like your channel and your style.
Integrity & NO Hack work!
No BS to the customer & keep it safe!
Thanks 👍
That was, to repeat your statement, a mess! At the least I personally would have never left those water heaters!
My dad was an electrician. He was called to an older ladies' house one day. The breaker kept tripping on her oil furnace. We went to look at the oil furnace and found the flue pipe was nearly rusted through completely in one area. As I recall, her bedroom was right above the furnace. Just now thought about that. The lady was a very tough person. She was widowed for many years. I think her children all passed away and she recently passed in her 90s.
Like seeing that 31 year old Tempstar still cooling. From March of 1989. We have a lot of those here in the midlands of S.C.
The date code on the water heaters is 89. It's in the serial number. Love your vids Ted.
Those old CA30's CA50'S and CA55'S where Monsters !! That's the old ICP before Carrier took over and moved production from Tennessee to Mexico
Ran into this same thing in Michigan. Took it all apart and the chimney was collapsed on the inside. Couldn’t run a chimney liner down through it if we tried. Ended up abandoning the chimney and selling them a new 90% water heater and furnace. Total mess.
Around my part of the country you can’t even vent into a masonry chimney period. Must put in a liner kit if you want to use chimney.
The flexible’s are used to line old chimney’s in the UK replacing the old coal fire with a gas fire.
The water heaters were made in 1989. You can tell by the serial number. 1988 was just the year the design was certified.
I have watched many this type of videos, and help me to do my own maintenance/repair at house, seeing inside of houses, basements of peoples, and can not believe how some of them are in very bad shape and unsafe and dangerous , and also how some of companies ripped $ome people off.
If you look at the serial number on the tank, the 3rd and fourth numbers are the year they were manufactured.
Love your videos! Thanks!
I have a Heil air conditioner, just like that one, on my house. It is also from 1988/89. Still works and blows ice cold.
My dad always said to always remove the old work for the next tradesman. I think that's right.
Fly by night. I went to commercial installation to get as far away from attics and crawl spaces and BS like that as possible. How in the hell can they get away with that shit. That is exactly how I almost lost a customer.
The date on that Rheem water heater was made in January of 1989.
Also, condensation in the flu doesn’t really happen with 80 percenters as the flu temps are too hot. High efficiency equipment that produces condensate cannot be piped into a clay lined chimney. That’s when either a concentric vent kit is used or separate venting piped outside from another location is utilized. I’ve even seen pvc pipe run down the existing chimney to the high efficiency appliance, which is legal where I’m at.
The two WHs are from 1989, the year is encoded into the serial number, starts with MMYY. You mentioned that 80% AFUE furnace is not allowed to be piped and vented through a clay lined masonry chimney. Is this some sort of local code, because NFPA allows it as long as the flue is sized correctly. Here you typically need a metal liner to reduce the flue size when the appliance is converted from oil to gas or the clay liner is missing and or shot. Thanks.
The power vent exhaust on the nonhigh efficiency hot water should pitch downward to drip away from the structure and be at least 5 feet away from an opening that is above it. They should have used the crawl vent for the exhaust opening and it would have been easier to do and that would allow them to raise the heater.
On the serial numbers for the rheem water heaters were 0189, they were manufactured January 1989.
Wow, what a hack job. Plumber should have taken care of it. If a home inspector was here, he/she would have been responsible if there would have been a c/o incident. Thanks for posting.
I wonder if they told the homeowner they could get a better price if they were allowed to leave the old tanks and smoke pipes under the house intact. Would that be unusual?
Flushing with rx-11 stands the potential of contaminating the new system. My recommendation would be investigate something called pipe wiping. Enjoyed the clip, thanks again.
Im so glad we don't have but maybe a few crawl spaces here in pa.
True. It's hard to find good help
northern mn here my new propane hearth is vented 90 degrees north side of house double wall stainless flue pipe but on days colder than -25 below condensation frost plugs the inlet part of pipe i have to check it daily or it throws error code
The water heaters are 89s, the 3rd and 4th digits on rheems indicates the year
Looks like a level metal flue with no ability to catch and remove condensation caused that fluen to fail and the uncapped abandoned flue pipes didn't help any either
In Arkansas it is a 2 week course to become a home inspector.
dear lord that was bad. Good job Gunslinger !
That system is in bad shape. Rust setting in ontop of it. Close up that vent. New furnace and water heater. Nice neighborhood.
Talk about CO leaking! They're lucky it is under there house, probably pulling in a draft as you said. If it was in a basement would definitely be letting out large amounts of CO especially being a standard 80%! Just got a 96.1% efficient furnace installed with AC and love it, can walk by the PVC exhaust pipe and not really smell anything. On top of that way less lower gas bills. Got a Amana with a lifetime warranty on the heat exchanger only thing getting used to is the concentrate pump but that drains right into the washtub and is not noticeable really. The difference between that with rebates and a standard 80% is not that much difference. Like they said the standard 80%'s are mostly for rentals nowadays. Also love the LUX brand thermostats, came with the new Honeywell and gave it back, like LUX brand because they all have an adjustable "swang" +- from .5 to 4 degrees off set temp. Thermostat is right above a heat vent although with a deflector still puts out a little more, all Honeywells seem to be low on features and are stuck at .5 degree differential with no way the change. Which was kicking it on and off every 5 mins. Like the Wi-Fi, but LUX has Wi-Fi models as well upgrade to in the future. Thermostat I have is less than a month old was under $50 and works much better than the $199 Honeywell. If you have a brand new home properly insulated the Honeywell might be ok but in a 100 year old home these thermostats are a lifesaver for the furnace to not sure if cycle all the time. Parents had a lux thermostat from '99 installed with the furnace furnace needed no repairs in AC and I contribute that a lot to the thermostat not short cycling the furnace!. Best in my book and easy to set up, Honeywells are right up in the same category as nests in my book. For the price and the features you get can't beat LUX thermostats. Furnace was on every 5 minutes before, now on for 10 to 15 in 30 degree weather and off for 30min huge difference and really no temperature drop difference. Like that all of them have the temperature swing setting if you want it if not it can work the same as the Honeywell At .5
Jtechmodern wow you sure can ramble on about nothing for quite a while. Your Fingers must get tired before your mouth does.
I spent 30+ years in construction, I tried for a inspector position and was denied because of no college degree. My paintings contractor was offered the job ,because he had a business degree.
He looked at me and said, I know nothing about construction but paint work. He was told he could start immediately.
I was used in housing court, as expert witness. The city inspectors lack of knowledge was disturbing.
Thanks. Doesn't that 1988 indicate the year of the ANSI code that preceded it? Of course that could also be the year of manufacture as well.
Such a gross crawlspace. I removed 1,000lbs of garbage and old building materials from mine. Just because you don't see it, doesn't mean it's not there people.
Did you look at the transition between the furnace and coil? It looked like they used the old transition for the tall skinny furnaces and maybe blocked off some of the furnace supply side
Texas Made did you have your sound off while he was talking about that?
In my basement, I have single wall pipe from my 1987 water tank and older boiler into the chimney. Is that in violation? A few years back, I had to replace a rotted out section.
Good video as usual. Thx.
looking at the serial number on the water heaters is saw the first four of 0189. I would guess January or the first week of the year of 1989. That flue was bad, seen some like that here in my area. The ANSI Z21.10.1A-1988 is just standards on the installation of said water heater standards of 1988.
Interesting to see a lack of windows on the one end of the house.
I’m sure you got to stay away from foundation vents, i’d say it would say that in the book at the water heater
first off 1988 is the ansi date not date unit was made, but I don't see how the plumber not removing those old water heaters and flues is even relevant to the rotted flue for the furnace
Tony it’s not relevant aside from poor workmanship.
The issue is if he touches anything he needs to bring it to code. He cannot easily vent into that chimney at this point.
I lost count on everything that was wrong with the two water heater and furnace.
So, your building code won’t allow you to use the chimney? What is the chimney for then?
matt bauckman a fireplace....
Mookie Man
There normally isn’t an open thimble in the basement or crawl space for the same chimney as a fire place. If a house has a fireplace AND furnace there are two separate chimneys. That house looks new enough to be that way.
Mookie Man now that’s funny, because it’s true 😂
I'd never buy a crawl space house. It should be on slate or have basement.
Those low boys were manufactured January 1989!
Very strange condition you found. This video must be older than January though. How isn't there any snow? Remove the old pipes. Don't force a 90%er bullshit furnace on them though. They are a scam. They are junk. They last maybe 10 years max.I know you are a dealer with them, but do not demand they buy a 90% ever. Be like Steve, and ask first, do you want a 90, or do you want an 80 again, and rebuild the current chimney? That's what you do. If anything, I think the people in the south should have the 90+s. Up in the north, no, we need the 80s. Too many problems with condensation pipes freezing. Flue pipes will freeze ice up totally solid and shut down the unit. They have it all backwards. For the time that the 90% units run up here in the north, they are destroyed prematurely. They can't handle the heat call load. BTU is always BTU no matter what. I hope the 80s never phase out. They actually work, for us folks in the north. Happy new years to you.
Does South Carolina have rolling stop signs? 🤪
I just had a short or "low boy" (32") electric water heater installed in my Florida condo. May I ask why you said that they don't make these anymore? Might you have been referring to gas units only?
Correct, the "low boy" gas water heaters are no longer manufactured. At least not around here.
If that happened in NYC the gas company would be called and a big red sticker would be placed on the door making it illegal to operate the unit due to co2 poisoning risk
Alex B everything is better in NYC right? Just like a yankee...
Alex B CO2 is carbon dioxide.
the tankless exhaust is supposed to be pitched downwards to the outside, from what I recall installing that type/brand long ago, there was also some minimum clearance to combustible materials I don't recall offhand.
Water heater was from 89
Old ICP a/c unit 867.###### is a Sears model #
Good ol late night upload.
This is why i have carbon monoxide detectors in our house
I seen/saw what you did there. Good for you!
Jeez....... Hackville!!!
Just curious,is there a follow up for this?
We always remove the old water heaters idk why they would leave. It
Electrolux lad They were half assed lazy F offs. It’s scary.
Great video!
complied with 1988 standards, guessing by serial number it's 1989 (1st month). I think that's how the serials went on those, too much info in my dome to recall without looking it up and I'm not going to lol
Good video Happy New Year
Happy New Year!
yikes mama!!
would be nice to have those water heaters refurbished
Slap some duct tape on that flue....
Do you have any videos for electric heat? Love your videos but it's always gas
what kind of hack did that, lol
Depends on the knowledge of the “so called plumber” also…🤷🏻♂️
As usual things done or not done to misguidedly save the customer money.
Definitely a bad install on that tankless.
The 1988 date is correct. My dad had this same tank in his basement working trouble free. It hadn’t been serviced since 1993 and when my dad moved out of the house in 2015 the tank was still running as it should. I remember as a kid we could all shower and have the dishwasher running and there would never be a lack of hot water. They aren’t like that now!
Dangerous!
Real mess for sure. Just too lazy to do it right.
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That flue is not looking so Kosher Ted
very dangerous....
Good
Happy new Year! , the gas flues feed into the chimney, but are there open fireplaces in the house? sounds like a gas killing waiting to happen .
You know you can not get a oil fired furnace above 86%. That being said it is not required for a furnace at least in my area to meat the 90% mark. The mistake you made with most high efficiency hot water, furnace That the need a vent strait to the outside because the flue gasses are so cool they will not drat right though a traditional chimney. Their dose not have to be any special liner. Most real chimneys are refractory lined and it is not necessary to do more than replace that pipe. Fake chimneys You may need to change the pipe. Some the things Could be just some local codes..
at 8:32 in video date "1989" in the mortar holding foundation vent in! date of the house lol
throttle bottle I guess you watched the video with your sound off.
I tell you what.
01/1989 I believe
Lol, wow!, not lol, And it was inspected?!!...
0189 serial on hot water heater 1989
Jan 89
That wh
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