Can we just take a moment to let the fact sink in that this man took the time out of his days to study like more than a dozen seperate scriptures from different time periods and places, just to make a video for us to understand the myths, stories, and legends behind an animated show on amazon? Props to him, my dudes fuckin awesome.
Haha, I mean I've been doing this for years, really you guys liking this kind of stuff is awesome because it gives me not just the time to study it all but the time to do it in a way that integrates for me, its been a blessing to be able to just learn and share and live to do that.
@@CartoonUniverse I was not at all expecting you to reply so fast, if at all, haha. I'm glad its something you enjoy, and you do such an exceptional job at it, as well. I hope it continues to be something that makes you happy. :)
Feels like sinners overlooked the loophole with extermination day. They could just unalive themselves before extermination day starts. I've heard it takes at minimum a day to regenerate in hell. So if they are dead and regenerating, then angels can't kill them with their weapons. Regeneration is painful, but it would be a better option than not existing anymore.
I always understood this regeneration as more gruesome, like, it takes a full day to *finish* regeneration, so you could in fact be laying somewhere defenseless, making it easier for an exterminator to find you.
@@vicenteisaaclopezvaldez2450 I feel like it would have to work different in some cases, as cannibals eat sinners, and the sinners sold at the meat store aren't just regenerating in the store as their meat is being sold off.
My theory for the seven deadly sins is that if they are hellbons and not fallen angels, then perhaps Lilith made them, as she is considered the mother of demons. After some time, they created other demons, like Beelzebub created hellhounds and Satan created imps. Edit: since we know Lucfier loves lilith he wouldn't want to stop them from working or existing despite not agreeing with what they do.
@@muhemmadalamery1025yea the show is clearly going with a different route with the sins seeing as Lucifer is the only angel that actually fell with no other angels(Besdies exterminators) that were considered fallen
he alos can not care bcs think if people are good they just ignore what demons try do to thme... where probady why demons just not come to Earth and kill evryone.... but yee we have like only one corp who work around that ? there are few ways to enter Earth and only one imp try it ? i think this company is on line if they do to much problems Lucy just end it but for now it work
Since Lucifer is just a guy playing with ducks I've been thinking that maybe... The real Pride Deadly Sin actually might be Lilith, and she could be the mother of all the other deadly sins
@@AshesAshes.DustToDust I've been stuck with this thought since Lucifer was presented in episode 1 as a "creative dreamer" that was banished for having different thoughts about humanity, in this interpretation of the show he doesn't embody Pride at all, since he didn't fell from grace by wanting to be as powerful as God... But Lilith denying to be inferior than Adam, can be seen as a demonstration of pride in my opinion
There's one slight hint towards whether the Ars Goetia are angels or not: Stolas bled black sludge, like other hellborn species, when he got hurt by Stryker. During his song-off against Allastor, Lucifer bit his own mouth when he sang "who just happens to also be your blood" to Charlie. His blood was yellow/gold, more like the exterminators' or Adam's blood.
I noticed the loan sharks had red blood in hazbin hotel though, and I think its just design choices not being too thought through so far. Good catch though I will be bringing that up next time we loop this.
@CartoonUniverse It's worth noting that when Alastor attacks the Loan Sharks in episode 5, Lucifer tells Charlie that "Sinner*s* are violent psychopaths." While he could easily just be talking about Sinners as a whole, using a plural would imply that Alastor vs Loan Sharks was a Sinner vs Sinner fight. In addition, we see a Loan Shark in episode 4 that, despite being riddled with bullets by Angel Dust and Husk, can still speak just fine and just kind of snarkly complains. He was suffering from way more severe injuries than any of the Loan Sharks that Millie killed in the Exes and Oos episode, yet was still kicking it for at least a while, which is what you'd expect from a Sinner capable of regeneration. Combined with the mentioned red blood instead of black, that would imply they are Sinners. That said, that gives no explanation as to why so many Sinners would take on near identical shark forms, or why the show would establish a *second* group of mafia sharks with a completely different origin. My personal headcanon is that humans who engage with loans and scams take on shark like forms when they become Sinners. Once in Hell they team up with the larger colonies of native born Loan Sharks to act as more expendable/heavy hitting agents for Hell's mafias. That still doesn't explain why ALL the sharks we see in Hazbin bleed red, but it's satisfactory enough for me to explain the riddled with bullets guy without devaluing Helluva's lore. (Kinda like how Crymini is a Sinner but Hellhounds are also a thing.)
@heyheyitsjae2475 I just figured the creator had a furry fetish 😅 but one could argue that since animals don't have souls, perhaps the sinners take on animal forms because they acted soulless on earth?
I don’t think the blood we saw there was from him bitting his own lip. I think that’s the shows way of showcasing when someone is showing the more darker side to themselves or showcasing a sin. All of the overlords we have seen, when they showcase the much more darker tones of themselves have that appear. We see it in welcome to the show for vox, and Alistor. In position it is VERY present on Valentino pretty much all through the song.
@@robando2922 na, I think it was said sinners show the aspects they hate about themselves like angel dust hated his legs or husk not liking cats or something
@@CartoonUniverseThis was super informative, even as an atheist I find this kind of Christianity wonderful. In my life it seems the best folks I have known have been good Christians, or just accepting yet still spit real people. Kudos!
Contrary, I now will be quite upset whenever I hear anyone say "myth" out of context and fully intend to give them a dictionary and lesson on it. "Inform thyself meager peasant of pathetic knowledge *extra dramatic*"
I feel like if you're watching helluva boss or hazbin and are a deeply religious Christian who takes all of the book of genesis 100% seriously, genuinely believes hell is a real place, etc, you are delusional to be criticizing this fictional INSPIRED show or expecting something reverent and religiously accurate. this is NOT made for a religious audience
I have a theory on why out of all the characters, why only Sir Pentious went to heaven. Out of all the characters we’ve seen, Pentious is the only sinner in our cast who’s been trying so redeem himself who also doesn’t have a soul contract on him. Charlie can’t be redeemed since she’s a hellborn Vaggie could possibly end up in the angels ranks again, but it’s unclear. Angel has his soul contract with Val Husk has his contract with Alastor Alastor also has a soul contract on him and he also hasn’t made any attempt to redeem himself. Cherri hasn’t made any attempts to redeem herself. Nifty is just Nifty and we’re to assumed she also has a contract with Alastor. Another theory I have is that angel could easily break is contract with Val whenever he wants to, however, Val has conditioned Angel to be with him so Angel would come back to the studio (due to the “poison”) I think Angel would get redeemed if he said “screw you, I’m not going to the studio anymore” and Val legally can’t do anything about it since Val would only have control of Angel in the studio. Another piece of evidence is that Vox literally asked if Angel quit. This implies that angel could just quit at any time.
I thought it was implied. When Adam asks "then why isn't Angel Dust here?" I immediately thought, well because his soul is owned by Valentino. that would be quite interesting, because it means that Charlie in the second season will have to demolish the socioeconomic sysetm of hell that relies on a few overlords owning many souls.
While the contract part may have something to do with it, the more obvious reason Sir Pentious went to heaven while Angel Dust didn't is because Pentious was killed by Adam. Both have gone through a reformation process but it seems that some sort of self-sacrifice, with permanent death (in the lore of the world), is also required. This also fits with what was established during the meeting in heaven as even humans would need to die before being able to go to heaven.
@@mrwolf84 I would love to see the struggle Charlie goes through when she realise she might need to destroy the socioeconomic system to be able to get souls to go to haven.
In the first episode of HH Adam mentions "this virtue chick", so I presumed the Heavens have Seven Heavenly Virtues as counterparts of Hell's Seven Deadly Sins, and considering Sera's birdlike original appearance (and Lucifer having multiple motives of ducks and the Ugly Duckling in particular, he could be a swan-like angel), I presumed seraphim are counterpart of Hell's Goetic demons in the sense them being avian beings as well.
Well aside from Lucfier I noticed all the 7 deadly sins have extra body parts. Ozzy three heads Queen bee 4 arms Mommon several legs Thechinally Lucfier has 6 wings bit that was before he fell. Not sure of this was done on purpose to show their power. I can only assume Satan has extra body parts or the rest of the deadly sins we haven't seen
@leonides4377 Technically yes they are the same person. But the name lucifer wasnt originally Satans name in Christian beliefs. It was added in later by other mythology, similar to how Lilith became to be. I think this creater is just taking liberties and making them separate people.
Thank you for being respectful about religion. As being a SDA, Christianity gets mocked a lot and hated. Its nice seeing someone cover this show without full on bashing the religion, despite how many things the show gets wrong
Haha to be honest it did not take very long to put together, I'm actually writing a book about mythologies and this is more like simple side practice.@@BritishRat573
What's interesting to me is that depending on how far Viziepop wants to take inspiration from the myths of Lilith, this could explain why Charlie is her and Lucifer's sole daughter (and relatively recent one too, as she's 'only' 200 years old by the time of the show), when according to Viziepop, Lucifer and Lilith have a very loving relationship which you would expect would produce a fair size of children over 10,000 years. And Viziepop even says Lilith's actually very good with children and likes them, but apparently didn't have any herself until Charlie. In Hazbin lore, Lilith being the first Sinner or human turned Demon would also make her sterile, but there's debate on whether that did apply to Lilith because she didn't appear to actually die, but literally fell into Hell with Lucifer, and whether that would affect her biologically. Even then, if she was originally as sterile as other Sinner demons, it's then a bigger mystery how did she then have Charlie in the last 200 years. What exactly changed?
I think contrary to the other sins, Lucifer as he was doomed by the elders, got assigned pride because they deemed him prideful for his ideas. So it makes sense to me that he isn't acting as he said 'evil' or explicitly prideful, since it's a tag he got and not a trait that naturally commands his whole personality
6:48 what if the cherubs are like the ones from the bible but they take simple forms so they don't scare humans? The same way Sera and Emily changed to a more human appearance
I will miss this series, it (and Lucifer) have been my obsession since December. Until season 2 comes out, how long will it take? I think Viv has confirmed 1,5 to 2 years. Maybe it will not take that long? I'm most looking forward to seeing the characters' pasts and what they were like as humans.
Yeah Im thinking its bound to be at the very least 2 years, because alongside that they got Helluva Boss to make. But on the upside, we can watch Helluva Boss whilst we wait? :)
@@An0nym0us_Pers0n Im not sure about that cause i swear i heard they were working on season 2 of hazbin a few months back while waiting to release season 1 but i could be wrong abt that
I always thought it is because Sinners/Demons respect whoever is most powerful and threatening - Lucifer and Charlie despite probably being the most powerful don't act on it because they aren't power hungry, so they are basically like sleeping dragons. They only use their power when needed so people aren't really afraid of them.
So something no one talks about is in ep. 5 Dad beat dad if you pause as charlie is scrolling through her contacts she has Azazael's number and someone named Amon.
As someone who grew up in a very Christian household, the thorough research you did in this really scratches some parts in my brain I hadn’t touched in a while xD The hellverse really gives an interesting take on the story of genesis and I really appreciate how well researched this video was :)
I like to see Lucifer's morality and how he acts less "sinful" and such as sorta like the morals of a Fae entity. He's kinda Fae-like as a bit of a spritely, trickster style character, so seeing his morality as like a "blue and orange" morality rather than "black and white" feels right to me. Maybe his morals and how he sees "good" or "evil" might overlap with our conventional views of such, but I imagine moreso it's a sort of setup that wouldn't be as clearly understood as 100% good or 100% evil, y'know?
Hey man, just wondering if you've noticed/can talk about the sinner we see in the sex club? Just before Angel meets up with Valentino, there's a sinner in the crowd who looks very much like an Exorcist, with an exed-out eye, a stitch-like grin, and upside crosses on the outfit. I'm certain myself that it's the dead Exorcist that started this whole thing, meaning Adam could probably come back for Season 2.
@@jamesclarke5646 She's in the foreground when Angel sets off to go grab Nifty from Valentino. Left hand side of the crowd, blue pigtails, the very last sinner before it switches to the next pov.
@@jakeheinrichs2235 I believe it could be a reference to it but I think it was just a coincidence in the design style but it could be a cool Easter egg
@@jamesclarke5646 I would've dismissed it myself, but Viv and her team have always been very particular with background characters and small details. I'm not saying it's the Exorcist for sure, but I'd be surprised if it wasn't at least a hint about the possibility of Adam's return.
I think Lucifer is the only fallen angel (i could be wrong) because Sera says she doesn’t want Emily to fall like Lucifer did which to me seems like the story of Lucifer and the creation of Hell is used as a cautionary tale in heaven that hasn’t rly been repeated since
Tbh, from what I know about Dominion Angels and the Ars Goetia they’re pretty similar. Dominion angels govern the movement of stars and many other celestial objects just like Stolas. Maybe the Ars Goetia are fallen dominion angels or hell’s version of them.
Here's what I like about Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss, it's pretty cool that in Helluva Boss we see more of the rings, yet for Hazbin Hotel, we see the Pride ring, which is I think, the highest ring? While others are below or under ranked. I like how the shows are connected. (Also I like how they named Sera based on Seraphims! Very nice detail)
I've thinking that maybe the Seven Sins were Adam's children who first sinned and were sent to Hell. With a dad like him it wasn't a difficult thing to happend and maybe this is one of the reasons why Adam hates his descendants too much to the point of enjoy their deaths (besides the fact that he has always being a psychopath).
Yes yes, the fake hell, king Latham has tried to get there many times and succeeded many time and let’s just say that fake hell turned into a real hell for everyone down there. The dotr is trying to help
YES! And 40 min! Meaning when I go to bed I got 40 of just listening to sweet, sweet Hazbin lore before sleep takes me! Thank you and your team for the hard work!
30:00 Asmodeus blushes gold, that could of course just be stylistic thing, because Imps have black blood, and blush red, but I think that would hint at Ozzie being a fallen angel, where we know Mammon could also be since they know each other since beginning of hell
I know this was long but you presented the material from so many sources so well I honestly would enjoy an even longer video from you. 10/10 entertaining!
Here's a question: How are the events of Hazbin Hotel going to affect the spinoff? Will we see I.M.P. head off to one of the other rings to avoid the firestorm that is the extermination, or will we see a cameo from Niffty on a TV somewhere? The possibilities are intriguing.
This realization of the 7 deadly sins just reminded me of the Spongebob character. Mr. Krabs greed, Patrick sloth, Plankton envy, Sandy pride, Squidward wrath, Gary gluttony, Spongebob... lust...?
@@saamnoorally7628 only reason why, he had a few episodes with him and a kraby patty hooking up, then a time he became a maid. I dont like that idea either. It was the first one out of them to fit at the time
Baphomet is going to be Belphegor's cool, leather jacketed boyfriend who actually makes sure his little smol bean NEET hikkikomori girlfriend gets food and enrichment.
Excellently researched and presented. I've studied this lore for many decades, so I watch videos like this ready with a "Well, actually...", but not today.
This was a GREAT comprehensive breakdown of the lore that I’ve been needing to hear! I’d love to hear other theories regarding the “regeneration” that sinners go through considering they are immortal unless an angelic weapon is involved. For example, how do sinners “pull” themselves back together? And how can Vaggie (an ex-Angel) somehow regenerate her wings but not her eye?
Right? I was thinking the same, so many religious people just blindly follow what their church and (poorly) translated bible say. And it's notoriously know asking questions and seeking knowledge is not often encourage among them when it comes to their religion at least.
@@yourslady um sorry i don't know which churches you mean but that's not a general thing. questioning stuff is fine....you're probbally thinking of the stricter groups
@cartoonuniverse - what a great compilation lore video! I now have in my library some of the books you mention in your various videos and find them fascinating! Quoting Stolas: "I love words!" Thank you for all your research and deep dives to break down these interesting aspects of these topics. You rule!
I wish I had included a list of books that are helpful for studying the text themselves, there's some really good ones everyone should be reading if they love books.
Dang this is a lot of work!😳😊🩷 I know I’ve been enjoying the world building that we’ve been getting with “Helluva Boss” and hopefully we’ll get more of Heaven in “Hazbin Hotel” thanks to Sir Pentious being there and they’ll show some of these higher angels above the seraphim too!😊❤❤❤ Also, Blitz and Moxxie being called “Two little trouble makers” made me giggle.😅😊
Man my most anticipated characters are god, satan and Michael which I hope we get to see eventually and I hope Michael looks identical to Lucifer but taller.
That was a fantastic deepdive into The Lore, just like the title says. I like the observations of the various demons from the circles. I had completedly missed we caught glimpses of envy and sloth demons. I have a bit of a theory: we dont get much of a mention of God except some fleeting usage of god and christ as interjections, and alastor dressed as a nun for a brief moment. The angels are said to have made man, and maybe implied to be behind all creation. There isnt necessarily a god in the hazbinverse. But if there IS, i see the hazbin hotel, and charlie herself being instruments in God's plan, creaitng a sort of purgatory to ultimately rehabilitate wayward souls. Sir Pentious was put in Heaven but SOMETHING. And i find it funny that Asmodeus himself, the embodiement of lust, has found himself falling in love with fizzarolli. He put aside short term desires in favor a long term meaningful relationship, where he found more fulfilment; he has embraced Love over Lust, the very Essence of God, because even in Hell and even with Demons, The House always wins. Anyways, great video!
I dont know if anyone else really appreciated the definition you gave for mythology and your reasoning for using that term, but I really did. A lot of times people can stop listening after the use of a certain word but sometimes it's just a missed connection to the word. For example, I might use a word in a different way to someone else because of my experiences, that doesn't negate what I'm saying or what the other person is saying. We just need to take a moment and explain why we use the terms we do. Ugh I knew I should have waited to write a comment until later in the video. Well done research! You did a very good job researching this material. I would equate the info in this video to my semester of western religions class.
Vivziepop is using 7th Deadly Sins with this source of information material. Just like that in her hell you have 7th rings which are one under another and pride ring is on top has 9 cycles 1. Pentagram city, 2.Imp city; ... Lucifer (Fallen Angel of Pride), Satan (Devil of Wrath), Leviathan (Dragon of Envy), Asmodeus (Nephil of Lust), Mammon (Demon of Greed), Belphegor (Demon of Sloth), Beelzebub (Fallen Angel of Gluttony) But they all are mostly not angels too.
as being someone who is a fan of the shows, but being an athiest without any beliefs and practices at the same time, this REALLY gives me some context. thanks for helping me understand it more!
Damn this was unneccessarily interesting. I thought that I could listen to this as a background noise, but I was actually ready to take the lesson. Fvck. Now I have sit down and watch it later while actually concentrating. Have a nice day dude
When it comes to the 7 Deadly sins being either fallen angels or powerful Hellborns, I keep thinking about that line Asmodeus says to Fizz: "I've known Mammon since the start of Hell..." I think if they were fallen angels, he would have said something akin to: "I've known him since before Hell was even a thing." But I'm not sure.
Thank you for all this research and well formed video! I am also a Christian but i appreciate and am interested in the history abd mythos that my faith sprang from.
Mammon is 100000% who alistor sold his soul too. If you pay attention to the details, when alistor makes a deal with Charlie there is green lightning in the other room. And mammon and alistor both have voodoo "runes" and other characters that have known alistor for a long time also have "tattoos" that look like mammons symbol. That cross over will be amazing
I wanna see the CHURBS stay at the hotel in season two of hazbin hotel it would be a amazing way of showing that the two shows do take place in the same universe without actually crossing them over
that was… amazing. I felt like this was a video where I actually learned something. It was a video worth an actual 50 minutes. Amazing research my dude, Your crazy
This is a great, well thought out and researched mega lore episode! Thanks for making it and sorry it took me so long to get to it real life can be a pain like that some times XD
Albeit a tiny detail, the "real" transformations of the Deadly Sins and the Ars Goeita are more demonic/diabolical than Lucifer's. Also they dont seem to present any angelic features in them such as wings, eyes, horns, etc.
So that means the higher level angels knew of evil and how to keep it at bay until Lucifers actions had then let it in. I wanna know how the higher level angels knew of evil before it came into existence/reality.
there is also a theory that Lilith was made up about because there are 3 to 4 different creation stories in Genesis, so Lilith came up to explain inconsistencies in the text
One thing I find fascinating is the contradiction between Lucifer and the other six sins. As you said the Sins and the other royals seem to have it as their duty to spread evil, however Lucifer considers the sinners as his punishment, to only observe the evil of humanity not the good as stated in Charlie's storybook; yet at the same time Lucifer is the big boss, somehow either conquering or endearing himself as the ring leader and the other six who appeared as circus acts. The chaos of this alone may have spurned them on. Asmodeus saying he's known Mammon since the start of hell could be angels or it could be their kind are native to that chaos nether space and these individuals were given their jobs as sins when this new Hell for Earth manifested.
37:20 the phrase, "life as we know it" is always a very interesting phrase to me... as not only do we still not know a lot about life; There's also the potential to just... make life completely different from current life. Which really brings into question *END* ....as well as what parts are considered *life*
tbh with lucifer trying to help the people of his ring, i feel like with the whole "wait why arent the seven deadly sins like super evil why are they chill" problem in hb is because the sins arent inherently evil, like asmodeus and beelzebub, they just wanna make things good for the people of their ring. i feel like with mammon since he has greed as his sin its kinda hard for him to care for his people since, yknow, greed. so he is consumed more by greed and therefore, doesnt care for his people like lucifer, asmodeus, and beelzebub do
34:10 also to support the theory of it being an ocean; when blitz(o) sees his ex (im totally blanking on her name but the pop star one) he says something along the lines of “i thought i smelt fish but there isn’t an ocean for at least 3 rings down” or something like that
I definitely think that the overlords and princes were once angels or descendents of angel's. During the shot where we are introduced to seraphim, we can see her face morphs from a shape extremely similar to our owl royals. It morphs from that shape, to a more human one once she greets Charli, so maybe her true form is one similar to them. As stated "they want to adopt the forms of god" which is what humans are meant to resemble.
well tbh " made in the image of God" actually means that we are rational, sentient beings with free will and an eternal soul like God and not that humans are literally supposed to look like God. It would be extremely bizarre if an omnipotent being needed a human body in the first place to base humans on. The rest I can agree with though.
@@embermoto Right? If you think about Hazbin's Adam too like; think of him insulting the appearance of all these female animals, Emperor's New Groove style xD
The way I just heard you casually reference Canon and religion. In the same sentence in reference to each other like oh yes, let me just go double check that this is in fact canon in this religion. No hate I just find it really really funny lol.
When I don't mention that Enoch isn't 'canon', people get rude in the comments and say its not canon as if that means no reference to it means anything. Even if I say 'extra-biblical text' which generally means not from the Bible and not Bible canon, they still complain.
It's good to know the differences in lore with these characters. Have a feeling Viziepop will be going in her own directions for a number or reasons, but it will either base or go completely off what's pre-existing.
How do you think Sinners and Hellborn interact? My theory is that Hellborn hate Sinners since they are immigrants or that Sinners view Hellborn the same way colonists viewed native people
Can we just take a moment to let the fact sink in that this man took the time out of his days to study like more than a dozen seperate scriptures from different time periods and places, just to make a video for us to understand the myths, stories, and legends behind an animated show on amazon? Props to him, my dudes fuckin awesome.
Haha, I mean I've been doing this for years, really you guys liking this kind of stuff is awesome because it gives me not just the time to study it all but the time to do it in a way that integrates for me, its been a blessing to be able to just learn and share and live to do that.
@@CartoonUniverse I was not at all expecting you to reply so fast, if at all, haha. I'm glad its something you enjoy, and you do such an exceptional job at it, as well. I hope it continues to be something that makes you happy. :)
I wonder what watching these shows is like for people with zero cultural background in even basic christianity
@@Bicth97I'd imagine they would be taking everything as fact or some parts to be true
@@CartoonUniverse you're made out of another matter since you did this, GG.
Feels like sinners overlooked the loophole with extermination day. They could just unalive themselves before extermination day starts. I've heard it takes at minimum a day to regenerate in hell. So if they are dead and regenerating, then angels can't kill them with their weapons. Regeneration is painful, but it would be a better option than not existing anymore.
Oh, I didn't know that!
Honestly, regenratation reminds me of how Digimon can be reborn as eggs after dying.
Ah yes Kill-ys to Save-ys glorious ! No pain no gain : D sinners .... i wonder how much it hurts tho . hmm
What a brilliant solution. Painful but brilliant.
I always understood this regeneration as more gruesome, like, it takes a full day to *finish* regeneration, so you could in fact be laying somewhere defenseless, making it easier for an exterminator to find you.
@@vicenteisaaclopezvaldez2450 I feel like it would have to work different in some cases, as cannibals eat sinners, and the sinners sold at the meat store aren't just regenerating in the store as their meat is being sold off.
My theory for the seven deadly sins is that if they are hellbons and not fallen angels, then perhaps Lilith made them, as she is considered the mother of demons. After some time, they created other demons, like Beelzebub created hellhounds and Satan created imps.
Edit: since we know Lucfier loves lilith he wouldn't want to stop them from working or existing despite not agreeing with what they do.
That's lowkey a pretty cool theory.
That is a theory with no proof they can be fallen angels without any problems !
@@muhemmadalamery1025then where are their wings?
@@muhemmadalamery1025yea the show is clearly going with a different route with the sins seeing as Lucifer is the only angel that actually fell with no other angels(Besdies exterminators) that were considered fallen
he alos can not care bcs think if people are good they just ignore what demons try do to thme... where probady why demons just not come to Earth and kill evryone.... but yee we have like only one corp who work around that ? there are few ways to enter Earth and only one imp try it ? i think this company is on line if they do to much problems Lucy just end it but for now it work
Since Lucifer is just a guy playing with ducks I've been thinking that maybe... The real Pride Deadly Sin actually might be Lilith, and she could be the mother of all the other deadly sins
That's actually pretty smart and plausible!
@@AshesAshes.DustToDust I've been stuck with this thought since Lucifer was presented in episode 1 as a "creative dreamer" that was banished for having different thoughts about humanity, in this interpretation of the show he doesn't embody Pride at all, since he didn't fell from grace by wanting to be as powerful as God... But Lilith denying to be inferior than Adam, can be seen as a demonstration of pride in my opinion
who tf did she sleep with
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Everything.
hahahaha you dont see pride in him. are you blind, he had a whole ass song about his pride.@@jotape419
There's one slight hint towards whether the Ars Goetia are angels or not: Stolas bled black sludge, like other hellborn species, when he got hurt by Stryker. During his song-off against Allastor, Lucifer bit his own mouth when he sang "who just happens to also be your blood" to Charlie. His blood was yellow/gold, more like the exterminators' or Adam's blood.
I noticed the loan sharks had red blood in hazbin hotel though, and I think its just design choices not being too thought through so far. Good catch though I will be bringing that up next time we loop this.
@CartoonUniverse It's worth noting that when Alastor attacks the Loan Sharks in episode 5, Lucifer tells Charlie that "Sinner*s* are violent psychopaths." While he could easily just be talking about Sinners as a whole, using a plural would imply that Alastor vs Loan Sharks was a Sinner vs Sinner fight.
In addition, we see a Loan Shark in episode 4 that, despite being riddled with bullets by Angel Dust and Husk, can still speak just fine and just kind of snarkly complains. He was suffering from way more severe injuries than any of the Loan Sharks that Millie killed in the Exes and Oos episode, yet was still kicking it for at least a while, which is what you'd expect from a Sinner capable of regeneration.
Combined with the mentioned red blood instead of black, that would imply they are Sinners.
That said, that gives no explanation as to why so many Sinners would take on near identical shark forms, or why the show would establish a *second* group of mafia sharks with a completely different origin. My personal headcanon is that humans who engage with loans and scams take on shark like forms when they become Sinners. Once in Hell they team up with the larger colonies of native born Loan Sharks to act as more expendable/heavy hitting agents for Hell's mafias. That still doesn't explain why ALL the sharks we see in Hazbin bleed red, but it's satisfactory enough for me to explain the riddled with bullets guy without devaluing Helluva's lore. (Kinda like how Crymini is a Sinner but Hellhounds are also a thing.)
@heyheyitsjae2475 I just figured the creator had a furry fetish 😅 but one could argue that since animals don't have souls, perhaps the sinners take on animal forms because they acted soulless on earth?
I don’t think the blood we saw there was from him bitting his own lip. I think that’s the shows way of showcasing when someone is showing the more darker side to themselves or showcasing a sin. All of the overlords we have seen, when they showcase the much more darker tones of themselves have that appear. We see it in welcome to the show for vox, and Alistor. In position it is VERY present on Valentino pretty much all through the song.
@@robando2922 na, I think it was said sinners show the aspects they hate about themselves like angel dust hated his legs or husk not liking cats or something
Did- did I just get tricked into bible study? 😂
I GET EM EVERY TIME!
Ik its been a month but ive had this playing on the side for my route today. I had to look to make sure i was watching hazbin lore
@@CartoonUniverseThis was super informative, even as an atheist I find this kind of Christianity wonderful. In my life it seems the best folks I have known have been good Christians, or just accepting yet still spit real people. Kudos!
The fact I watched this in a church no one batted an eye speaks volumes to the validity to your research
Maybe... 😏
I feel like i took much more of a religious history lesson then cartoon lore but im here for it
Dude, I was thinking the saaaame thing
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“in short there is no reason to be offended” BUDDY THIS IS THE INTERNET. PEOPLE WILL MAKE A REASON
lol YUP. I found it terrifying (yet understandable) that he had to make that entire “trigger warning”. People are too soft these days
@@PMTcommenter people have always been soft lol, people used to cry because they had to forced to allow black people to eat besided them
Christians sure do have a persecution complex
Contrary, I now will be quite upset whenever I hear anyone say "myth" out of context and fully intend to give them a dictionary and lesson on it.
"Inform thyself meager peasant of pathetic knowledge *extra dramatic*"
I feel like if you're watching helluva boss or hazbin and are a deeply religious Christian who takes all of the book of genesis 100% seriously, genuinely believes hell is a real place, etc, you are delusional to be criticizing this fictional INSPIRED show or expecting something reverent and religiously accurate. this is NOT made for a religious audience
Despite being atheist, I've never thought i'd be more interested in the mythology of these reglious beliefs until Hazbin/Helluva
Same
I lean Christian and if you think of the stories in holy books as comic book heros it makes it more fun. Lol
@@bobcat529 Pretty much, its like a different kind of MCU. 😂😂
@@caitlinpanettieri4957highly recommend you read the Action Bible, sick book.
@@linkfiedproductions2246 is a comic or a bible? 😅
I have a theory on why out of all the characters, why only Sir Pentious went to heaven. Out of all the characters we’ve seen, Pentious is the only sinner in our cast who’s been trying so redeem himself who also doesn’t have a soul contract on him.
Charlie can’t be redeemed since she’s a hellborn
Vaggie could possibly end up in the angels ranks again, but it’s unclear.
Angel has his soul contract with Val
Husk has his contract with Alastor
Alastor also has a soul contract on him and he also hasn’t made any attempt to redeem himself.
Cherri hasn’t made any attempts to redeem herself.
Nifty is just Nifty and we’re to assumed she also has a contract with Alastor.
Another theory I have is that angel could easily break is contract with Val whenever he wants to, however, Val has conditioned Angel to be with him so Angel would come back to the studio (due to the “poison”)
I think Angel would get redeemed if he said “screw you, I’m not going to the studio anymore” and Val legally can’t do anything about it since Val would only have control of Angel in the studio.
Another piece of evidence is that Vox literally asked if Angel quit. This implies that angel could just quit at any time.
RIP for her.
I thought it was implied.
When Adam asks "then why isn't Angel Dust here?"
I immediately thought, well because his soul is owned by Valentino.
that would be quite interesting, because it means that Charlie in the second season will have to demolish the socioeconomic sysetm of hell that relies on a few overlords owning many souls.
While the contract part may have something to do with it, the more obvious reason Sir Pentious went to heaven while Angel Dust didn't is because Pentious was killed by Adam. Both have gone through a reformation process but it seems that some sort of self-sacrifice, with permanent death (in the lore of the world), is also required. This also fits with what was established during the meeting in heaven as even humans would need to die before being able to go to heaven.
@@mrwolf84 I would love to see the struggle Charlie goes through when she realise she might need to destroy the socioeconomic system to be able to get souls to go to haven.
@@MattChristensen9 I was thinking the same about death and sacrifice
In the first episode of HH Adam mentions "this virtue chick", so I presumed the Heavens have Seven Heavenly Virtues as counterparts of Hell's Seven Deadly Sins, and considering Sera's birdlike original appearance (and Lucifer having multiple motives of ducks and the Ugly Duckling in particular, he could be a swan-like angel), I presumed seraphim are counterpart of Hell's Goetic demons in the sense them being avian beings as well.
Virtue is also a class of angel, not as in "seven virtues", just "virtue" like there's a class of angels named Power and one named Throne
I love that helluva boss is more a world building thing for the others rings then just focusing on earth and pride
Tbh this would be really cool if Viv and the gang makes a book explaining Hell and maybe Heaven in its entirety
Similar to Gravity Falls Journal 3
That will most likely come out once the series is over
Season 1 only @@JoshuaA1307
Yes
Well aside from Lucfier I noticed all the 7 deadly sins have extra body parts.
Ozzy three heads
Queen bee 4 arms
Mommon several legs
Thechinally Lucfier has 6 wings bit that was before he fell. Not sure of this was done on purpose to show their power.
I can only assume Satan has extra body parts or the rest of the deadly sins we haven't seen
Satan has 32 muscle pack on his chest
isnt lucifer and satan the same person?
@leonides4377 Technically yes they are the same person. But the name lucifer wasnt originally Satans name in Christian beliefs. It was added in later by other mythology, similar to how Lilith became to be. I think this creater is just taking liberties and making them separate people.
Mammon also has 4 arms
maybe Satan has extra horns due to him having imp like horns on his app.
Adam(before woman): *looks at ducks*👀 hey soo are you from around here?
🦆 :😨
If he actually did that, I’m gonna cry 😭.
@@SweetOrangeGirl and that’s any Lucy loves them they were victims of Adam 😭
@@Toxica_Jade666 B R U H.
can you imagine how lonely adam was as the only human on earth, i kinda feel bad for him lol
@@TippedScale He was alone because he was an abusive husband to Lillith, so frankly he deserved worse
How do you guys feel about the new music?
It's good
🔥 fire
Thank you for being respectful about religion. As being a SDA, Christianity gets mocked a lot and hated. Its nice seeing someone cover this show without full on bashing the religion, despite how many things the show gets wrong
Bro it's amazing!!!❤❤
really cool!
How many all-nighters did you pull for this to be finished
The fact he just liked it and didn't reply...
Haha to be honest it did not take very long to put together, I'm actually writing a book about mythologies and this is more like simple side practice.@@BritishRat573
What's interesting to me is that depending on how far Viziepop wants to take inspiration from the myths of Lilith, this could explain why Charlie is her and Lucifer's sole daughter (and relatively recent one too, as she's 'only' 200 years old by the time of the show), when according to Viziepop, Lucifer and Lilith have a very loving relationship which you would expect would produce a fair size of children over 10,000 years. And Viziepop even says Lilith's actually very good with children and likes them, but apparently didn't have any herself until Charlie. In Hazbin lore, Lilith being the first Sinner or human turned Demon would also make her sterile, but there's debate on whether that did apply to Lilith because she didn't appear to actually die, but literally fell into Hell with Lucifer, and whether that would affect her biologically. Even then, if she was originally as sterile as other Sinner demons, it's then a bigger mystery how did she then have Charlie in the last 200 years. What exactly changed?
i appreciate the disclaimer about mythology in the beginning!
I think contrary to the other sins, Lucifer as he was doomed by the elders, got assigned pride because they deemed him prideful for his ideas. So it makes sense to me that he isn't acting as he said 'evil' or explicitly prideful, since it's a tag he got and not a trait that naturally commands his whole personality
6:48 what if the cherubs are like the ones from the bible but they take simple forms so they don't scare humans? The same way Sera and Emily changed to a more human appearance
yeah that makes sense
I will miss this series, it (and Lucifer) have been my obsession since December. Until season 2 comes out, how long will it take? I think Viv has confirmed 1,5 to 2 years. Maybe it will not take that long? I'm most looking forward to seeing the characters' pasts and what they were like as humans.
I’m at least hoping one year at the very least from s1 finale.
probably a year since one of the voice actors already confirmed they were already working on recording lines for season 2.
Just one episode can take almost 2 months to make, season 2 won't come out until next spring to summer I'd say.
Yeah Im thinking its bound to be at the very least 2 years, because alongside that they got Helluva Boss to make. But on the upside, we can watch Helluva Boss whilst we wait? :)
@@An0nym0us_Pers0n Im not sure about that cause i swear i heard they were working on season 2 of hazbin a few months back while waiting to release season 1 but i could be wrong abt that
33:35 Lucifer seems to have little to no influence it’s why no one takes him or Charlie seriously despite their amount of power
Nah they definitely respect Lucifer more than Charlie your tripping 😂
@@Killakay47 only because he actually shows his power
I always thought it is because Sinners/Demons respect whoever is most powerful and threatening - Lucifer and Charlie despite probably being the most powerful don't act on it because they aren't power hungry, so they are basically like sleeping dragons. They only use their power when needed so people aren't really afraid of them.
So something no one talks about is in ep. 5 Dad beat dad if you pause as charlie is scrolling through her contacts she has Azazael's number and someone named Amon.
OOOOOO! good eye for detail!
As someone who grew up in a very Christian household, the thorough research you did in this really scratches some parts in my brain I hadn’t touched in a while xD The hellverse really gives an interesting take on the story of genesis and I really appreciate how well researched this video was :)
I like to see Lucifer's morality and how he acts less "sinful" and such as sorta like the morals of a Fae entity. He's kinda Fae-like as a bit of a spritely, trickster style character, so seeing his morality as like a "blue and orange" morality rather than "black and white" feels right to me. Maybe his morals and how he sees "good" or "evil" might overlap with our conventional views of such, but I imagine moreso it's a sort of setup that wouldn't be as clearly understood as 100% good or 100% evil, y'know?
Hey man, just wondering if you've noticed/can talk about the sinner we see in the sex club? Just before Angel meets up with Valentino, there's a sinner in the crowd who looks very much like an Exorcist, with an exed-out eye, a stitch-like grin, and upside crosses on the outfit. I'm certain myself that it's the dead Exorcist that started this whole thing, meaning Adam could probably come back for Season 2.
When? I tried to find them but couldn't see them?
@@jamesclarke5646 She's in the foreground when Angel sets off to go grab Nifty from Valentino. Left hand side of the crowd, blue pigtails, the very last sinner before it switches to the next pov.
@@jakeheinrichs2235 I believe it could be a reference to it but I think it was just a coincidence in the design style but it could be a cool Easter egg
@@jamesclarke5646 I would've dismissed it myself, but Viv and her team have always been very particular with background characters and small details. I'm not saying it's the Exorcist for sure, but I'd be surprised if it wasn't at least a hint about the possibility of Adam's return.
I think Lucifer is the only fallen angel (i could be wrong) because Sera says she doesn’t want Emily to fall like Lucifer did which to me seems like the story of Lucifer and the creation of Hell is used as a cautionary tale in heaven that hasn’t rly been repeated since
Tbh, from what I know about Dominion Angels and the Ars Goetia they’re pretty similar. Dominion angels govern the movement of stars and many other celestial objects just like Stolas. Maybe the Ars Goetia are fallen dominion angels or hell’s version of them.
I Absolutely Love the Peaceful Designs of Heaven in *Hazbin Hotel!* It's so Beautiful, Incredible, Peaceful and Remarkable!
Here's what I like about Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss, it's pretty cool that in Helluva Boss we see more of the rings, yet for Hazbin Hotel, we see the Pride ring, which is I think, the highest ring? While others are below or under ranked. I like how the shows are connected. (Also I like how they named Sera based on Seraphims! Very nice detail)
I've thinking that maybe the Seven Sins were Adam's children who first sinned and were sent to Hell.
With a dad like him it wasn't a difficult thing to happend and maybe this is one of the reasons why Adam hates his descendants too much to the point of enjoy their deaths (besides the fact that he has always being a psychopath).
Yes yes, the fake hell, king Latham has tried to get there many times and succeeded many time and let’s just say that fake hell turned into a real hell for everyone down there. The dotr is trying to help
YES! And 40 min!
Meaning when I go to bed I got 40 of just listening to sweet, sweet Hazbin lore before sleep takes me!
Thank you and your team for the hard work!
I thought I was the only one who did this lol 😂we are brothers in sleep
@@TheOneandOnlyBeac it helps me relax and then dream over the theorie haha. Glad to hear we are the people of culture :p
30:00 Asmodeus blushes gold, that could of course just be stylistic thing, because Imps have black blood, and blush red, but I think that would hint at Ozzie being a fallen angel, where we know Mammon could also be since they know each other since beginning of hell
As a Classics major from The Catholic University of America, I 1000% appreciate and respect this latest review. Well done, my friend. 👏👏👏
I really love this. The religious and mythos stuff being talked about is so intereting
i love how you add theology to hazbin hotel, you are very intelligent in that manner! rock on!!
I know this was long but you presented the material from so many sources so well I honestly would enjoy an even longer video from you. 10/10 entertaining!
Here's a question: How are the events of Hazbin Hotel going to affect the spinoff? Will we see I.M.P. head off to one of the other rings to avoid the firestorm that is the extermination, or will we see a cameo from Niffty on a TV somewhere? The possibilities are intriguing.
Bro you’re a total badass for making this lore deep dive. I love it. Thank you!
This realization of the 7 deadly sins just reminded me of the Spongebob character. Mr. Krabs greed, Patrick sloth, Plankton envy, Sandy pride, Squidward wrath, Gary gluttony, Spongebob... lust...?
id swap gary and Patrick, but i still dont know how spongebob fits into it. i dont see him as a 'lust'
@@saamnoorally7628 only reason why, he had a few episodes with him and a kraby patty hooking up, then a time he became a maid. I dont like that idea either. It was the first one out of them to fit at the time
ok yeah i see that@@Ricefox21
Well, cant please everyone. That alright if its shitty@@mr.monkey354
So much work has gone into these two shows, I'm absolutely mind-blown, honestly
Baphomet is going to be Belphegor's cool, leather jacketed boyfriend who actually makes sure his little smol bean NEET hikkikomori girlfriend gets food and enrichment.
Excellently researched and presented. I've studied this lore for many decades, so I watch videos like this ready with a "Well, actually...", but not today.
This is just an excellent essay, even beyond Hazbin Hotel lore. I honestly forgot we were talking about the show.
It's really cool that you could tell which ring it is just by looking at the sky
They need to add Saint Michael. Scarily powerful, natural rival to Lucifer, and he has a cool island in France named after him. What more do you need?
lol i love how Fizz is on the hellborn section of the power ranking despite being an imp.
Is he not an hellborn?
@@Killakay47imps are hellborn but they are separate on the list, so he’d be in the imp category of the hierarchy not hellborn
This was a GREAT comprehensive breakdown of the lore that I’ve been needing to hear!
I’d love to hear other theories regarding the “regeneration” that sinners go through considering they are immortal unless an angelic weapon is involved. For example, how do sinners “pull” themselves back together? And how can Vaggie (an ex-Angel) somehow regenerate her wings but not her eye?
Funny how ppl criticize him for talking about religion but he is prob more knowledgeable about religion than any of them could ever be.
Right? I was thinking the same, so many religious people just blindly follow what their church and (poorly) translated bible say. And it's notoriously know asking questions and seeking knowledge is not often encourage among them when it comes to their religion at least.
People complained about him using the Word myth, not religion itself
@@yoursladyNot sure what crappy church sessions you have attendes that uses poor translations and discurages questions.
@@yourslady um sorry i don't know which churches you mean but that's not a general thing. questioning stuff is fine....you're probbally thinking of the stricter groups
40 minutes of bible lore? Lets gooooo!
I've learned more about my own religion from you than from anywhere else.
@cartoonuniverse - what a great compilation lore video! I now have in my library some of the books you mention in your various videos and find them fascinating! Quoting Stolas: "I love words!" Thank you for all your research and deep dives to break down these interesting aspects of these topics. You rule!
I wish I had included a list of books that are helpful for studying the text themselves, there's some really good ones everyone should be reading if they love books.
I have a theory about God what if us, as a viewer is god watching the Hazbin hotel succeeding or failing sending sinners to be angels or just dieing
Dang this is a lot of work!😳😊🩷 I know I’ve been enjoying the world building that we’ve been getting with “Helluva Boss” and hopefully we’ll get more of Heaven in “Hazbin Hotel” thanks to Sir Pentious being there and they’ll show some of these higher angels above the seraphim too!😊❤❤❤
Also, Blitz and Moxxie being called “Two little trouble makers” made me giggle.😅😊
Man my most anticipated characters are god, satan and Michael which I hope we get to see eventually and I hope Michael looks identical to Lucifer but taller.
Keep killing it! Love the channel
finally babes i’ve been stalk your account waiting for this
That was a fantastic deepdive into The Lore, just like the title says. I like the observations of the various demons from the circles. I had completedly missed we caught glimpses of envy and sloth demons.
I have a bit of a theory: we dont get much of a mention of God except some fleeting usage of god and christ as interjections, and alastor dressed as a nun for a brief moment. The angels are said to have made man, and maybe implied to be behind all creation. There isnt necessarily a god in the hazbinverse.
But if there IS, i see the hazbin hotel, and charlie herself being instruments in God's plan, creaitng a sort of purgatory to ultimately rehabilitate wayward souls. Sir Pentious was put in Heaven but SOMETHING.
And i find it funny that Asmodeus himself, the embodiement of lust, has found himself falling in love with fizzarolli. He put aside short term desires in favor a long term meaningful relationship, where he found more fulfilment; he has embraced Love over Lust, the very Essence of God, because even in Hell and even with Demons, The House always wins.
Anyways, great video!
it's nice to hear a Christian like myself talk about theses shows take on hell
All I needed was a little patience, appreciate the deeper dive into the mythology and history behind Lilith.
I dont know if anyone else really appreciated the definition you gave for mythology and your reasoning for using that term, but I really did.
A lot of times people can stop listening after the use of a certain word but sometimes it's just a missed connection to the word.
For example, I might use a word in a different way to someone else because of my experiences, that doesn't negate what I'm saying or what the other person is saying. We just need to take a moment and explain why we use the terms we do.
Ugh I knew I should have waited to write a comment until later in the video. Well done research! You did a very good job researching this material. I would equate the info in this video to my semester of western religions class.
Vivziepop is using 7th Deadly Sins with this source of information material.
Just like that in her hell you have 7th rings which are one under another and pride ring is on top has 9 cycles 1. Pentagram city, 2.Imp city; ...
Lucifer (Fallen Angel of Pride), Satan (Devil of Wrath), Leviathan (Dragon of Envy), Asmodeus (Nephil of Lust), Mammon (Demon of Greed), Belphegor (Demon of Sloth), Beelzebub (Fallen Angel of Gluttony)
But they all are mostly not angels too.
as being someone who is a fan of the shows, but being an athiest without any beliefs and practices at the same time, this REALLY gives me some context. thanks for helping me understand it more!
Just chillin sitting on the toilet watching hazbin bible lore life is good
You always do so well. Your theories have helped me a lot so thanks
The disclaimer on mythology is wild. Sucks you had to do it because people cant handle having an open mind.
Yeah..... People need thicker skins.
Right?
Maybe one day everyone will be open minded
I wonder if any Overlords know about IMP and maybe they would want to hire them lol.
Damn this was unneccessarily interesting. I thought that I could listen to this as a background noise, but I was actually ready to take the lesson. Fvck. Now I have sit down and watch it later while actually concentrating.
Have a nice day dude
I think that Lucifer creating dolls is a hint for the pride he would feel if he created humans
When it comes to the 7 Deadly sins being either fallen angels or powerful Hellborns, I keep thinking about that line Asmodeus says to Fizz: "I've known Mammon since the start of Hell..." I think if they were fallen angels, he would have said something akin to: "I've known him since before Hell was even a thing." But I'm not sure.
I hope they're able to find time for Helluva Boss, now that Hazbin Hotel is a full, mainstream show. 🥺
Thank you for all this research and well formed video! I am also a Christian but i appreciate and am interested in the history abd mythos that my faith sprang from.
Was so happy to finally watch the new season. Sad that we gotta wait awhile before season 2 drops
I really want to see Levi the dragon fish, Envy seems like an interesting idea!
Mammon is 100000% who alistor sold his soul too. If you pay attention to the details, when alistor makes a deal with Charlie there is green lightning in the other room. And mammon and alistor both have voodoo "runes" and other characters that have known alistor for a long time also have "tattoos" that look like mammons symbol. That cross over will be amazing
Love this vid, the universe of HH and HB is super interesting to me as a Christian and this whole lore dive is just *muah*
Why is Blitz looking at Charlie's butt at 0:06? 💀
Cuz its Blitzø lol
I wanna see the CHURBS stay at the hotel in season two of hazbin hotel it would be a amazing way of showing that the two shows do take place in the same universe without actually crossing them over
that was… amazing. I felt like this was a video where I actually learned something. It was a video worth an actual 50 minutes. Amazing research my dude, Your crazy
This is a great, well thought out and researched mega lore episode! Thanks for making it and sorry it took me so long to get to it real life can be a pain like that some times XD
Albeit a tiny detail, the "real" transformations of the Deadly Sins and the Ars Goeita are more demonic/diabolical than Lucifer's. Also they dont seem to present any angelic features in them such as wings, eyes, horns, etc.
So that means the higher level angels knew of evil and how to keep it at bay until Lucifers actions had then let it in.
I wanna know how the higher level angels knew of evil before it came into existence/reality.
How can the sinners only be in pride. When we have seen multiple sinners hire blitz in wrath to go to earth and kill.
Blitzø's company is in the pride ring. Imp city
Blitzø’s company is in imp city (pride ring)
My guess is the rule about pride started after the exterminations started, also Imp city is in the second circle of the pride ring
there is also a theory that Lilith was made up about because there are 3 to 4 different creation stories in Genesis, so Lilith came up to explain inconsistencies in the text
One thing I find fascinating is the contradiction between Lucifer and the other six sins. As you said the Sins and the other royals seem to have it as their duty to spread evil, however Lucifer considers the sinners as his punishment, to only observe the evil of humanity not the good as stated in Charlie's storybook; yet at the same time Lucifer is the big boss, somehow either conquering or endearing himself as the ring leader and the other six who appeared as circus acts. The chaos of this alone may have spurned them on. Asmodeus saying he's known Mammon since the start of hell could be angels or it could be their kind are native to that chaos nether space and these individuals were given their jobs as sins when this new Hell for Earth manifested.
Lucifer is mentioned in the old testiments Isaiah but I have zero idea if that's before or after the Book of Job.
This was absolutely fascinating!
37:20 the phrase, "life as we know it" is always a very interesting phrase to me... as not only do we still not know a lot about life;
There's also the potential to just... make life completely different from current life.
Which really brings into question *END* ....as well as what parts are considered *life*
you know what would be interesting, a crossover episode, I mean it would make sense, since both shows exist in the same universe and whatnot.
tbh with lucifer trying to help the people of his ring, i feel like with the whole "wait why arent the seven deadly sins like super evil why are they chill" problem in hb is because the sins arent inherently evil, like asmodeus and beelzebub, they just wanna make things good for the people of their ring. i feel like with mammon since he has greed as his sin its kinda hard for him to care for his people since, yknow, greed. so he is consumed more by greed and therefore, doesnt care for his people like lucifer, asmodeus, and beelzebub do
34:10 also to support the theory of it being an ocean; when blitz(o) sees his ex (im totally blanking on her name but the pop star one) he says something along the lines of “i thought i smelt fish but there isn’t an ocean for at least 3 rings down” or something like that
I definitely think that the overlords and princes were once angels or descendents of angel's. During the shot where we are introduced to seraphim, we can see her face morphs from a shape extremely similar to our owl royals. It morphs from that shape, to a more human one once she greets Charli, so maybe her true form is one similar to them. As stated "they want to adopt the forms of god" which is what humans are meant to resemble.
well tbh " made in the image of God" actually means that we are rational, sentient beings with free will and an eternal soul like God and not that humans are literally supposed to look like God. It would be extremely bizarre if an omnipotent being needed a human body in the first place to base humans on. The rest I can agree with though.
I’m learning more Bible studies by watching this video 😂 love the video
"Adam couldn't find a mate among the animals". A mate. Someone to "mate" with. Among the animals... Just think about that for a while. xD
so Adam was the original Zoophilia?
@@embermoto No he wasn't that was the problem. God played smash or pass with the animals and Adam passed on all of them xD
@@Mangacide O gotcha. It is funny to imagine God bring all the animals one by one to Adam and going “how about this one”
@@embermoto Right? If you think about Hazbin's Adam too like; think of him insulting the appearance of all these female animals, Emperor's New Groove style xD
The way I just heard you casually reference Canon and religion. In the same sentence in reference to each other like oh yes, let me just go double check that this is in fact canon in this religion. No hate I just find it really really funny lol.
When I don't mention that Enoch isn't 'canon', people get rude in the comments and say its not canon as if that means no reference to it means anything. Even if I say 'extra-biblical text' which generally means not from the Bible and not Bible canon, they still complain.
I love how lucifer is third on the hierarchy, beeing one of the seven deadly sins, but is also first bc he is luc
It's good to know the differences in lore with these characters. Have a feeling Viziepop will be going in her own directions for a number or reasons, but it will either base or go completely off what's pre-existing.
How do you think Sinners and Hellborn interact? My theory is that Hellborn hate Sinners since they are immigrants or that Sinners view Hellborn the same way colonists viewed native people