@@acters124 I think the housing spins? Regardless, I agree with the OP, this was pretty impressive. The Lishi is a specialised tool, and even with that, a fair amount of skill is required by the look of it.
I gotta admit, these videos are wonderful. I am neither a thief learning how to break in nor a person trying to get into the picking community. I believe these videos are targeted at people like me: random guy eliminating which lock to purchase to secure his (insert expensive item here) or privacy. Thank you LPL for the continued education we all so graciously receive.
as always, while this content is valuable, thieves rarely pick locks in the wild, unless they are the most trivial ones. brute force attacks (like the one with the saw he shown us today) are way more commonplace
I am a truck driver so I fully understand about having to secure my trailer from theft. And yes, brute force (cutting the lock off) is by far the most common way that trailers are broken into.
Well, that looks like a pretty good result for me. Took LPL some time to pick open, and cutting can be solved with a hardened steel version. And as always, real life situations might take very longer. It's the best feedback a product with potential could ask for.
Agreed. This is about the level of protection I have on my enclosed trailer. With a plastic roof vent and a RV style side side door, there isn't much use in beefing up the hasp much more in my case. Most of these transit vans also have front windows, may or may not have a passthrough, and a sliding side door for removing equipment. Sadly I have fixed a bunch of vans where the door skin was just opened like a soup can with a battery powered nibbler. Steel or aluminum, if you know where to cut it is about like the time in the video here. Some of the electric latches are a little better because you can't just pull on rods to open everything.
Also, working a hacksaw with the lock in position is going to be a bitch compared to doing it on a nice, clean mount. It'll make it that much slower and more annoying to deal with.
Actually saw the inventor and founder speak several years ago while I was in college. His daughter was in the class and she got something worked out for him to come speak, as the class was about entrepreneurship. He said that he was working out the patent for it, and it has been at least 5 years since that talk he gave. This leads me to believe that this lock may be one of the first models, if not the first. Another thing, the master lock model you showed was a direct response to seeing this lock. As I recall, he tried to sell to master but they acted like they were going to screw him on the deal, so he lawyered up and hurried along the patent as best he could to continue pursuing this himself. The main vulnerability you mentioned was actually something he brought up. At the time, he said of the fairly high number of locks he sold (I don’t recall the number) that only one had been breached like that, and he said the owner of the van even admitted that he’d left the van somewhere he shouldn’t. Cool to see this come up all these years later!
"He left the van somewhere he shouldn't." Isn't that the point of a lock? To protect the contents of the van in areas where you suspect there to be crime? A small rope can protect your van if there's only honest people to look at it.
@@paulelderson934 this was like, back alley way in a really sketchy part of town, well out of sight or earshot of anybody who wasn’t out for no good. But you’ve certainly got a point
@@paulelderson934 You still weaken the security of your locked item by putting it in some positions, such as; as mentioned already, a dark alley where nobody's gonna notice, or look at it amiss if they do, the amount of time it takes to bust something becomes less important the less likely the thief is to be interrupted
Gotta say, this is not my first encounter with these locks. I do have some history with them. Driving home from college, I used to see a van with one equipped on the back door every day for about a week. And from the next car back, the logo looks like it reads SUCK LOCK. That's about the extent of my experience with them, but it always made me giggle while stuck in traffic.
LPL is slowly shifting from standard trade locks to locks that have some defenses. A good sign that not all locks are the same. As noted by the LPL it still needs some work. Er, the name might also be change too.
Name probably refers to the Rotalock like defense against twisting the lock off the van, as that would be very slippery. But something blocking hacksaw attacks is clearly needed.
@@boboften9952 Hey man while you make some points here, i'd like to mention that capilizing every word makes your text flow poorly and look bad in comparison.
there is a huge audience out there for van locks whether it’s for construction vans or even camper vans. I would love to see a video of some of the best locking options for van sliding doors or back doors.
I have to tell you, when I looked at the name on the lock, I thought it was suck locks. then I got closer to see it was slick locks. thank you are letting all of us know how good locks are in your post, it helps when buying locks these days.
I found one of these at a pawn shop just before pandemic… it ha been painted pink 😮…. Yes, pink. I paid $5US, the manager was happy to see it go… Quality tool, all right….. my great-grandchildren might be using it one day.
@@travisbarfknecht3010I know they are fantastic vises. If you like them and want to see something interesting go check out fireball tool vise destruction test. I didn't think I'd watch a 50min video on the comparison but I did.
I read a couple of comments where it was said that with the lock installed on the van, it would be more difficult to cut through the hasp, it sounds like some do not realize that most hacksaw blades can be rotated 90 degrees to the handle, that means the handle would be at a 90 degree angle away from the door, the pin or wingnut on some might still rub against the door but I don't think thief's are too concerned about scratching the paint.
That's true, but it's also awkward and more difficult to apply pressure on the blade and easier to snag or get twisted. In any case it's going to be more difficult installed than in the comfort of your workshop in a vice.
@@DragNetJoe Not at all, I have worked in building maintenance and construction for over 35 years and rotating the blade does not make the saw more difficult to use, you can still put as much pressure on the blade and maybe even more because you have a tendency to use both your hands when the blade is rotated (holding the handle with your dominate hand and holding the end of the saw frame with your other. All that being said, you are correct that it would be easier in a shop but its still not difficult at all on the vehicle.
@@The_Story_Channel and just to add to your point even if the difficulty is doubled "in the field" that is still just 36 seconds to remove the lock like LpL said this would have been FAR more difficult to do with a hardened hasp the weakness of the hasp is this locks greatest flaw
Both the picking and sawing attacks would be considerably more difficult "in the wild". With these types of security devices, you 99% of the time you only have to have better security than the lower hanging fruit in the area.
A parked van with the name of your service or company tells every would be thief the van is full of expensive tools and materials, and the owner is servicing a client in a nearby building, giving plenty of time to rip the contents while keeping a lookout.
@@caramelldansen2204 In the UK it is used as a generic term for any van of that form factor, including alternatives by Mercedes, Renault, Fiat etc. - essentially anything smaller than a box truck (or "Luton van" in the UK) can be reasonably called a Transit.
I love how smoke starts to come from the bracket basically right after Mr LPL starts his attack. I would like to think that he merely stared at the bracket and it started to melt, he used the hack saw to cover up his metal melting powers.
@@LeonSteelpaw a long blade makes it quite easy for clearance, especially with metal that soft. I use 12" blades a lot at work because you can cut at a 45 degree angle if you don't mind scratching things from the blsde rubbing. A good bimetal blade won't break.
@@demonicdonut22 if they are going to go that route, with all the noise and damage, they could just cut through the door or cut at the hinges. No lock would stand up to that.
Thank you for making me believe in myself to actually pick a lock in dire need. I was able do get an (old) Abus-lock open. Then I found an old key that had no bidding lower than the real key and was able to produce a useable key after the original key that was broken. Before this, I only had luck with a very simple training lock, and yet, after about an hour of fiddling, I could feed the neighbour's cat again... :D (and yes, I informed him about the mishap, and he agreed to my approach beforehand).
They're really close to having a really solid lock. Hopefully this inspires them to add a little extra defense to the hacksaw attack. I assume against the side of a van, the hacksaw attack will be more awkward and take a bit longer but it needs more still.
They should make the hasps more custom-shaped to the van and extend out to the outer edges of the puck, and wedging outwards into the newly convex backside of the puck, making the hasp look like a flattened pyramid if you viewed it from the top or bottom.
Yeah, but a Sawzall with a long blade would be even faster. The long blade on a Sawzall can bend and it wouldn't need to be flush against the side of the van.
@@TheSaltyExplorer cut the door?, probably enough to lean on it with a screwdriver to bow the door out of the way (thieves dont care about your paint or panelwork)
Took roughly a minute with a specialised picking tool, that's pretty good. The fix for the hasp issue is pretty simple - hardened steel plate. Probably wouldn't add much to the overall price of the poduct. A really well thought out product. The reality is thieves would probably steal the vehicle and go at it at their leisure. But that's not the slicklocks fault
They do serve the purpose though of taking extra timer to open, so are going to make the thief look for another vehicle first. Yes a hardened plate, or one made out of a tougher steel, or with a spot welded in extra high tensile plate, to deter the cutting, will still be a benefit. Easy enough to add in to the existing lock as well, just needs a suitable piece of high strength tough steel, wiyth the hole punched in it, and a spot welder to attach it to the existing bracket. After all the steel of the vehicle is the softer option, all you need is to make the staple 5 minute resistant, as if they want in they can bring along a can opener, or a nibbler, and simply cut out the existing steelwork anyway, or a cut off disk and angle grinder to do the same.
Same goes for Door locks. Youre looking at roughly Three Minutes average time. Five minutes is of course even better. In highly frequented areas, thieves/robbers always go for the quickest and sneakiest option.
As usual, though, the question here is 'random attack' vs 'targeted attack'. If the thief wants something OF YOURS, then making it take longer won't be enough. We are, of course, assuming a work van, with no windows, and a secure wall behind the seats...
@@baylinkdashyt A major user of such vans is actual locksmiths with their van full of spare locks, pinning kits, key cutting machines and anything else needed to install or replace locks on a call out to anywhere in town.
@@cypherdras Most hacksaws can turn the mounts 90 degrees and mount the blade perpendicular to the frame and handle thus resolving the issue you expect. They are designed that way for odd places or circumstances.
I use slick locks. I've keyed mine up to offer pick resistance and made sure a comb pick will not work. As shown, anything is pick-able with skill. My hope is that it will deter a burglar long enough to make them move on to something else.
I actually had a run in with these before. Fun fact, they'll let you open the door JUST ENOUGH to turn on the interior lights. Was fun having to deal with a dead battery.
@Don't Read My Profile Photo Nice one 😆 🤣 😆 🤣 😆 🤣 😆 🤣 😆 🤣 😆 🤣 😆 🤣 😆 And no, not the rickroll that I know will be at the end even though I've never been rickrolled by this. The joke is you having anybody falling for this.
Had a work van with these hasps, thieves were successful at breaking/ cutting one side of the hasp. Banged in the sheet metal pushing the puck lock back and forth. Also tried torching the door too. They must have been scared off before they could get the factory lock defeated. The cab of the van was also broken into (thanks automakers with your genius engineering for putting locks inside plastic handle assemblies, real secure there, definitely toddler proof😁). Portable power tools make things easier than the should be.
🚨 *I learned how pick my house lock in 8 seconds ( 3rd try) 😂 Thank you! Only problem now is I’m seeing how vulnerable everything is* love your channel* 👍🏼👍🏼
In my family the saying is "Locks keep out honest people, who aren't allowed to be inside. That's it." If you're not an honest person, or you're allowed to be inside, the lock doesn't matter. You'll go in anyway.
Word of warning: only pick locks you do not care about. It is possible to break a lock while picking so you wouldn't want to break one that is critical to your security (and then have to buy a new one)
@@Ghi102 I'm pretty sure you're doing it wrong then. Unless you've got locks far fancier than I can afford, that are somehow DESIGNED to break if picked, this isn't a thing. The kind of locks that people would use for practice don't have that. You're moving pins up and down, not drilling the lock. WTF did you do to break a lock?!?! I have neither had this happen to me nor ever seen it happen to anybody else.
The most important part to mention about said vulnerability is that it makes a ton of noise cutting through the steel, drawing attention to the thief. There have also been cases of a thief attempting to twist off the lock and once doing so, the brackets twisted together re-securing the doors. Would also love to see a video on their sliding door model as that is what most vans on the market are!
Thieves are not afraid of a little noise, they often use angle grinders and saws alls to do their dirty work and those are MUCH louder And you are wildly overestimating the real world noise of a hack saw based on how it sounds with a mic pointed right at it in an enclosed room
These hack saws are not very noisy. This was done in a garage which reflects noise and a microphone pointed directly at it. Outside you hardly hear them even a couple of meters away, nature sounds or city sounds especially will drown it out easily. Also, it takes some time to notice unusual noise and this is so fast, that you probably overhear it even if you could physically notice it.
Adding some hardened pins to the hasp that mate into the lock body would both make sawing and grinding a lot harder and might also prevent the lock from rattling and maybe wearing the hasp enough that the lock hits the van's paint job.
It does damaged paint on my Nissan NV200.On both side doors. Not on the back door. And it's only by putting them on and off. I remove them before driving.
I truly enjoy watching LPL's videos. Until now I have not commented on the control environment the various locks are picked. Some locks I would imagine would be more difficult to pick under field conditions, but still vulnerable to picking. To cut the hasp as demonstrated in this video in my opinion would be very difficult if done had the lock been installed against a flat surface such as a rear door of a van it was intended. Still enjoy LPL's videos and will continue to watch.
Hacksaws often have rotatable blades, enabling fairly easy assault even against a flat surface, and most burglars will be using something like a Sawzall, which will have an even easier time of it
My dad has used these locks on both of his trucks for 20 years and they’ve never been robbed so I am shocked at this there really is no lock that cannot be defeated
I mean the average robber does not have the skills to pick open locks with some extra security pins or the balls to use a loud saw to cut the lock off so i'm not all that surprised
@@jcp1296 The average thief doesn't want to get IN a vehicle anymore. They want to cut your Catalytic Converters, and they do it with Sawzalls in less than 10 seconds. Please, if you own a Truck, get some Cat Covers and Clamps.
Nothing is perfect, even guarded doors with RFID readers and biometrics. LPL did a collab with penetration testers a few years back and it's stupid easy to get into even "high security" areas. At the end of the day, it's all theatre to make bad guys look for an easier target.
A dozen work vans outfitted with Slick locks on the side and back doors resulted in no access by two thieves and other thieves accessing other company’s vehicles instead of ours over the past 7 years. I’d say these locks have served their purpose well protecting $100k worth of equipment. Easy for garage department to install and maintain. This product is well worth it.
I have grade 125 Chain around the seat bases in my van with a half inch thick cargo ring thru a slot in the door panel. Can only open the front doors 4 inches. The rear doors have a ratchet strap holding them closed. The slider has a lock thru the top rail. The slider wont open more than a quarter inch. There is a morse cable operated battery disconnect switch and a kill switch on the fuel pump relay coil ground wire. I have about 20 grand worth of tools in my van. Parked every night on the streets of los angeles. I don't even worry about it. It was so bad before I carried a spare steering column to swap in when they destroyed the ignition housing.
When I saw the thumbnail, I didn’t pay attention to the title and thought that those were tubs of pomade. “Slick Locks” absolutely sounds like a hair product.
I've seen that kind of lock on a storage pod that has a latch system with a recess for the lock. There's no getting a saw behind it. You get access to the side of the lock with the keyhole and the front. I've often wondered how you'd get into it.
With some hacksaws, you can rotate the blade 45 or 90 degrees from the frame. You could also use the blade without the handle, or even use a cable saw or a coping saw. Those would be slower, but not that slow. I think the point is, sawing this lock is not all that hard.
Better than just the factory door lock that can be punched out with a hammer and screwdriver. A leased vehicle user would charge for repairing holes from that Master lock assembly.
I've had these locks on my work Transit 150 since 2016 and LOVE them. They stop the smash and grab. The door jiggler looking for a quick score probably isn't carrying a hack saw. Its the guy with a spark plug who can take out a window with ease. Speaking of windows my van has window grates also and having installed them myself, they wouldn't be that hard to pry out. Just trying to slow the scoundrels' down.
I would really like to see him picking it with hasp installed onto flat board or something to simulate installed position. It will make picking little more awkward and more restrictive. I am missing the "In-service" aspect of this pick. Holding in hand gives you more maneuverability.
Thanks again LPL! My thought was what if you made a plug with a key blank to locate it, the plug will jam the body and the spinner so you can get leverage for a pipe wrench. The plug would also act as a sear so the wrench jaws don’t just munt the spinner case. Quieter than a hacksaw but admittedly a specialist approach. Just my immediate thoughts 😁
"a lock is only as strong as it's weakest link" It started so well, but hardened steel could have easily gotten it from an 18 second pick to a ~2 minute one that might break the sawbit. It does show a lot of promise though.
I wouldn't even bother with the install units and i'd just "massage" the metal so i can install hardened steel bars, considering the extra space that the lock affords you. I've done this in the past with puck locks and it's the easiest method to piss off a burgo. They'll dull blades upon blades until they make it work. Also, the metal is not removed from the van, just slightly bent, easily fixed with a hammer and dolly and a smidge of bondo.
reminds me of the typical D&D joke of the indistructable lock on a door and having one of the players ask "ok, that's cool, whats the rest of the door made of?" Funnily enough a friend ran into a situation like this in a game, and the players worked out the indestructable door with its indestructible lock was probably worth more then the possible treasure they could get, so spent part of the day breaking down the walls around said door and taking that back to town to sell
On the other hand, trust the dwarf with a pick to ask whats the wall looks like. Bastard broke into abandoned dwarven treasure chamber by completly ignoring the security door.
The closed captions are very amusing. While hacksawing through the hasp, the caption said "laughter." And I was laughing at how easy it was to saw through the hasp. Excellent!
I’d like to see how loud the reverberations are if cutting that while installed ! I’m sure it could be muffled but you’re going to need some improvised dampening devices !
In my city there's a rash of catalytic converters being stolen. Thieves roll up at 2am, on city streets with dozens of residential houses lining both sides WITH CUTTING POWER TOOLS. It takes 2-3 minutes per theft. No one cares.... no one calls the police, no one does anything. Happened literally outside my window at 3am. The cutting woke me up and I looked outside to see. I did call the police, after an exasperated sigh from the 911 operator, a care was dispatched. The cop did a drive by w 35 minutes later...... You drastically underestimate how little people care when they hear 60 seconds of sawing.
@@brianb8003 Reminds me of someone I knew who called the police to report their car is in the process of being stolen by a group of scary looking guys. The operator told them to come to the station and file a report the next day, nobody was even sent.
The best videos, from the legend himself ,always good to watch and learn from, thanks again for the video regards colin from croydon surrey England 👍 👍 ❤
I'm going to call a real world vs. bench inconsistency on this. A thief hacksawing these on an actual van would have the saw and their knuckles against the plane of the van door, not out in the air as LPL did. Not that I don't want to see these hardened, but in the real world with a van also in the way sawing is going to be significantly more difficult (keeping in mind that 3x as long is still under a minute). Now we just need to wait until covert instruments makes a 90º handle hacksaw rig and it's sold out forever, right?
@@ButterfatFarms Rotating the blade on a standard hacksaw leaves two tips extending behind the blade. A cheap plastic handle bolted to the end of a disposable hardened blade lets you move the blade at will. Another common tool will protect the thief's knuckles.
Would you still be able to use the Lishi tool if the keyway was rotated 180 degrees? That would make the turning & picking levers be pointing toward the van door.
That wasn't the point of the video. The lishi demonstrated how tough the lock was to pick. Those who watch this channel will appreciate some of the security in the pins. The video was about how bad the flaw was in comparison. If a real thief would take 20 mins picking that lock or more like a couple hours, 18secs with a hacksaw would be a real letdown, right?
Yup, convenient how he always picks locks indoors on a table or a vise. I'd like to see him go out at night and do it in the wild. I'm pretty sure getting shot at or hit with a baseball bat would make it harder to pick the locks....in the dark of course.
I'm curious, what would you do if the core was mounted 'upside down' so the front of the lishi would be against the door of the van; would the tool still be functional?
@@clion520 easly fixed by bending the hacksaw blade into an L and holding onto the blade to cut. Adds mabey 10 sec to cutting it and works great for all flush cutting needs.
Would it be possible to bypass the spinning case by sliding a thin metal sheet between the lock and the housing (like a shim), so that the generated friction locks the mechanism?
I'd love to see testing with a compact acetylene torch, like the backpack style ones. I'd bet you could get through the toughest locks on earth before you run out gas.
At that point, any metal part of the door becomes a vulnerability too. A lock won't do you much good if the door doesn't have hinges anymore :P Would still be fun to see though because fire :D
I enjoy viewing every demonstration. It is clear, there are a plethora of products unworthy of our dollars. I would like a series of product reviews, with your recommendation, understanding a guarantee cannot be offered, demonstrating added value and reliance. My Pop has repeated all my life, “Locks only keep honest people, honest.”
Has he ever failed to open a lock? Is there such a thing as an 'unpickable' lock? New here so I haven't seen many of his videos. Pretty awesome really.
Excelent as always, thank you. If I may suggest, in a case like this, mount the saw sheet 90 degrees from the saw arc, makes easier to cut something that is flush with a door.
a fluke normally refers to a quick open. This one took 66 seconds. You know any lock that takes LPL more than 60 seconds is good pick-resistance to an average joe.
Client: “Hey I need you to come bail me out of jail” LPL: “No problem I’ll be down there in just a few” Client: “how are you gonna get me out and how much is this gonna cost me?” LPL: “No worries I got this....” “A little binding on jail cell 1, click on jail cell 2, Looks like a false set on jail cell 3.....”
I have two Slick Locks on a Ford E body van (AKA) Econoline. I'm fairly certain that the hasps could be sawn in just the manner you've shown. As most people will acknowledge, locks are just a way to keep honest people honest. Given enough time and equipment, no lock will resist. The point of a lock is to discourage folks or to render the time needed for removing the lock too risky.
A trick to stop the hacksaws I saw someone using for a lock like this securing a door was to add a rubber or plastic washer looking thing or even some string/ wire to fill the gap. It doesn't completely remove the vulnerability but if you have ever tried hacksawing a piece or rubber or a ball of twine without pinning it in place, it isn't easy.
@@MrNiceCobra If there is space for a hacksaw there is space for a bit of rubber even if it needs to be thin. I agree about not wanting to wrap wire or twine 20 times a day but if that is the case you are not leaving the van for more than half an hour during your 10 hour day. These locks are usually used for people who do long van journeys or who need to leave the van overnight for some reason (like small moving/ storage companies etc.) so you would only need to lock it once every 2-3 days. I will clarify it wasn't actually a washer just something that kinda looked like one
I have a similar set up on my E350 and the hasp is much thicker and the locks fit tightly against the van. I'm sure that a determined thief in a private area could get it open somehow, but they would have to come prepared with a sawzall and at least 3 long blades. OR they could pick the lock.
There is one detail that is being overlooked. While the vulnerability does seem to suggest that it could easily be cut off, however, when the lock/spinner is installed on the vehicle, there is little to no room to get a saw blade between the lock and the vehicle. It is designed to be snug. I know this because I have that on my van and it is pretty snug. I use the ASSA Maximum+ Restricted Lock for anti pick/drill.
Glad to know the pinning is decent, but I always figured it would be easy to cut them off especially since the one on the back of my company vehicle doesn’t sit flush. But hey everything in my van is insured 🤷🏻♂️
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This was actually impressive. the lock held up for far longer than I was expecting from a lock like this, even with a lishi.
the housing moving awkwardly around, He would been faster if the lock was mounted
@@acters124 I think the housing spins? Regardless, I agree with the OP, this was pretty impressive. The Lishi is a specialised tool, and even with that, a fair amount of skill is required by the look of it.
Huh, I assumed they were spelled leashy; that’s my mistake, lol
they're called lishi? this whole time I thought it's Leashy's!
almost 4 minutes video
I gotta admit, these videos are wonderful. I am neither a thief learning how to break in nor a person trying to get into the picking community. I believe these videos are targeted at people like me: random guy eliminating which lock to purchase to secure his (insert expensive item here) or privacy. Thank you LPL for the continued education we all so graciously receive.
well I am both of those things and they are still wonderful
I'm here just to see him making fun of any of these super secure locks that are not 🤣🤣
as always, while this content is valuable, thieves rarely pick locks in the wild, unless they are the most trivial ones. brute force attacks (like the one with the saw he shown us today) are way more commonplace
i like to think he makes these videos partially to help pressure the security industry to improve!
I am a truck driver so I fully understand about having to secure my trailer from theft. And yes, brute force (cutting the lock off) is by far the most common way that trailers are broken into.
Well, that looks like a pretty good result for me. Took LPL some time to pick open, and cutting can be solved with a hardened steel version. And as always, real life situations might take very longer. It's the best feedback a product with potential could ask for.
Agreed. This is about the level of protection I have on my enclosed trailer. With a plastic roof vent and a RV style side side door, there isn't much use in beefing up the hasp much more in my case. Most of these transit vans also have front windows, may or may not have a passthrough, and a sliding side door for removing equipment. Sadly I have fixed a bunch of vans where the door skin was just opened like a soup can with a battery powered nibbler. Steel or aluminum, if you know where to cut it is about like the time in the video here. Some of the electric latches are a little better because you can't just pull on rods to open everything.
Plus that NOISE was LOUD. I can’t imagine any thief really trying that IRL unless they KNEW what was in the van.
Also, working a hacksaw with the lock in position is going to be a bitch compared to doing it on a nice, clean mount. It'll make it that much slower and more annoying to deal with.
You always know a lock is for real if the LPL video is longer than 2 minutes
@@Just_A_Dude even easier. use a sawzall with a long blade.they can be bent enough to get in there and cut.
Actually saw the inventor and founder speak several years ago while I was in college. His daughter was in the class and she got something worked out for him to come speak, as the class was about entrepreneurship. He said that he was working out the patent for it, and it has been at least 5 years since that talk he gave. This leads me to believe that this lock may be one of the first models, if not the first.
Another thing, the master lock model you showed was a direct response to seeing this lock. As I recall, he tried to sell to master but they acted like they were going to screw him on the deal, so he lawyered up and hurried along the patent as best he could to continue pursuing this himself.
The main vulnerability you mentioned was actually something he brought up. At the time, he said of the fairly high number of locks he sold (I don’t recall the number) that only one had been breached like that, and he said the owner of the van even admitted that he’d left the van somewhere he shouldn’t.
Cool to see this come up all these years later!
Cool to hear that part of the story! We usually don't get to see it!
that's genuine fascinating
"He left the van somewhere he shouldn't."
Isn't that the point of a lock? To protect the contents of the van in areas where you suspect there to be crime?
A small rope can protect your van if there's only honest people to look at it.
@@paulelderson934 this was like, back alley way in a really sketchy part of town, well out of sight or earshot of anybody who wasn’t out for no good. But you’ve certainly got a point
@@paulelderson934 You still weaken the security of your locked item by putting it in some positions, such as; as mentioned already, a dark alley where nobody's gonna notice, or look at it amiss if they do, the amount of time it takes to bust something becomes less important the less likely the thief is to be interrupted
Gotta say, this is not my first encounter with these locks. I do have some history with them.
Driving home from college, I used to see a van with one equipped on the back door every day for about a week. And from the next car back, the logo looks like it reads SUCK LOCK.
That's about the extent of my experience with them, but it always made me giggle while stuck in traffic.
LPL is slowly shifting from standard trade locks to locks that have some defenses. A good sign that not all locks are the same. As noted by the LPL it still needs some work. Er, the name might also be change too.
Name probably refers to the Rotalock like defense against twisting the lock off the van, as that would be very slippery. But something blocking hacksaw attacks is clearly needed.
He keeps rotating through various types and themes. We've had these kinds of locks in the past.
A lock will only keep an honest person out, no matter the cost.
@@boboften9952 Hey man while you make some points here, i'd like to mention that capilizing every word makes your text flow poorly and look bad in comparison.
@@denniswoycheshen But there is an argument to be made about the time it takes a dishonest one to get through
Can't say I've seen a hand saw start smoking that quickly
Cutting paste and a pretty high strength steel.
LPL lowkey swole
The smoke you saw was escaping from the saw blade, as the saw for sure comes from hell! 😆
oil
Remember that was attempt 2, the blade will already have had some latent heat in it
there is a huge audience out there for van locks whether it’s for construction vans or even camper vans. I would love to see a video of some of the best locking options for van sliding doors or back doors.
The timing of this video was impeccable for me. I inherited a Chevy Express van and was just about to install a bulkhead and order a set of these.
I have to tell you, when I looked at the name on the lock, I thought it was suck locks. then I got closer to see it was slick locks. thank you are letting all of us know how good locks are in your post, it helps when buying locks these days.
Wow ! That bench vise is so hard to come by , and among the best vintage vises still around . You sure know your quality tools .
I found one of these at a pawn shop just before pandemic… it ha been painted pink 😮…. Yes, pink.
I paid $5US, the manager was happy to see it go…
Quality tool, all right….. my great-grandchildren might be using it one day.
I noticed that too. “Oh damn, vintage bullet vise. Nice!”
Wilton. The best.
@@travisbarfknecht3010I know they are fantastic vises. If you like them and want to see something interesting go check out fireball tool vise destruction test. I didn't think I'd watch a 50min video on the comparison but I did.
I read a couple of comments where it was said that with the lock installed on the van, it would be more difficult to cut through the hasp, it sounds like some do not realize that most hacksaw blades can be rotated 90 degrees to the handle, that means the handle would be at a 90 degree angle away from the door, the pin or wingnut on some might still rub against the door but I don't think thief's are too concerned about scratching the paint.
That's true, but it's also awkward and more difficult to apply pressure on the blade and easier to snag or get twisted. In any case it's going to be more difficult installed than in the comfort of your workshop in a vice.
@@DragNetJoe Not at all, I have worked in building maintenance and construction for over 35 years and rotating the blade does not make the saw more difficult to use, you can still put as much pressure on the blade and maybe even more because you have a tendency to use both your hands when the blade is rotated (holding the handle with your dominate hand and holding the end of the saw frame with your other.
All that being said, you are correct that it would be easier in a shop but its still not difficult at all on the vehicle.
@@The_Story_Channel and just to add to your point even if the difficulty is doubled "in the field" that is still just 36 seconds to remove the lock like LpL said this would have been FAR more difficult to do with a hardened hasp the weakness of the hasp is this locks greatest flaw
Both the picking and sawing attacks would be considerably more difficult "in the wild". With these types of security devices, you 99% of the time you only have to have better security than the lower hanging fruit in the area.
A parked van with the name of your service or company tells every would be thief the van is full of expensive tools and materials, and the owner is servicing a client in a nearby building, giving plenty of time to rip the contents while keeping a lookout.
My experience with a Ford Transit is that the material in the doors is even weaker than the hasp provided.
@@creamwobbly congrats.. you're assuming just as much, if not more, than the person you replied to..
@@creamwobbly Is "Transit van" a generic term? I thought it was quite specific.
Vans not within Ford's Transit brand are just called... vans.
@@caramelldansen2204 In the UK it is used as a generic term for any van of that form factor, including alternatives by Mercedes, Renault, Fiat etc. - essentially anything smaller than a box truck (or "Luton van" in the UK) can be reasonably called a Transit.
I love how smoke starts to come from the bracket basically right after Mr LPL starts his attack. I would like to think that he merely stared at the bracket and it started to melt, he used the hack saw to cover up his metal melting powers.
Given how little we know about him, I'm all for this theory lol
I thought it was from the plastic cover, but on second glance it's probably from some WD-40 he sprayed on the blade first.
As a Locksmith I find the thieves using a cordless sawzall to break in
Battery powered tools are extremely useful for work but sadly also for crime
I would quetion whether they could get a flush enough press, but the blades are pretty bendable if they don't mind breaking one or three
@@LeonSteelpaw a long blade makes it quite easy for clearance, especially with metal that soft. I use 12" blades a lot at work because you can cut at a 45 degree angle if you don't mind scratching things from the blsde rubbing. A good bimetal blade won't break.
the cordless sawzall seems to be the tool of choice for catalytic converter thieves as well...
@@demonicdonut22 if they are going to go that route, with all the noise and damage, they could just cut through the door or cut at the hinges. No lock would stand up to that.
Thank you for making me believe in myself to actually pick a lock in dire need. I was able do get an (old) Abus-lock open. Then I found an old key that had no bidding lower than the real key and was able to produce a useable key after the original key that was broken. Before this, I only had luck with a very simple training lock, and yet, after about an hour of fiddling, I could feed the neighbour's cat again... :D (and yes, I informed him about the mishap, and he agreed to my approach beforehand).
They're really close to having a really solid lock. Hopefully this inspires them to add a little extra defense to the hacksaw attack. I assume against the side of a van, the hacksaw attack will be more awkward and take a bit longer but it needs more still.
They should make the hasps more custom-shaped to the van and extend out to the outer edges of the puck, and wedging outwards into the newly convex backside of the puck, making the hasp look like a flattened pyramid if you viewed it from the top or bottom.
One thing to keep in mind on the hack saw attack, is that the lock is mounted flush against the side of the van and not in a vice.
Yeah, but a Sawzall with a long blade would be even faster. The long blade on a Sawzall can bend and it wouldn't need to be flush against the side of the van.
But most hacksaws can be used with the blade rotated through 90 degrees relative to the handle, which would make sawing only slightly awkward.
@@GMFL2 the doors are aluminum on a transit, so no matter what lock is on it, they could just cut the door itself.
@@TheSaltyExplorer cut the door?, probably enough to lean on it with a screwdriver to bow the door out of the way (thieves dont care about your paint or panelwork)
Beat the van to hell and it would 3x as long but still doable
Took roughly a minute with a specialised picking tool, that's pretty good. The fix for the hasp issue is pretty simple - hardened steel plate. Probably wouldn't add much to the overall price of the poduct. A really well thought out product. The reality is thieves would probably steal the vehicle and go at it at their leisure. But that's not the slicklocks fault
They do serve the purpose though of taking extra timer to open, so are going to make the thief look for another vehicle first. Yes a hardened plate, or one made out of a tougher steel, or with a spot welded in extra high tensile plate, to deter the cutting, will still be a benefit. Easy enough to add in to the existing lock as well, just needs a suitable piece of high strength tough steel, wiyth the hole punched in it, and a spot welder to attach it to the existing bracket. After all the steel of the vehicle is the softer option, all you need is to make the staple 5 minute resistant, as if they want in they can bring along a can opener, or a nibbler, and simply cut out the existing steelwork anyway, or a cut off disk and angle grinder to do the same.
Or just break a window. If they're cutting locks with a saw, noise isn't a concern.
Same goes for Door locks. Youre looking at roughly Three Minutes average time. Five minutes is of course even better. In highly frequented areas, thieves/robbers always go for the quickest and sneakiest option.
As usual, though, the question here is 'random attack' vs 'targeted attack'.
If the thief wants something OF YOURS, then making it take longer won't be enough.
We are, of course, assuming a work van, with no windows, and a secure wall behind the seats...
@@baylinkdashyt Making it take longer increases the chance of them being detected. Making it noisier is even better.
@@baylinkdashyt A major user of such vans is actual locksmiths with their van full of spare locks, pinning kits, key cutting machines and anything else needed to install or replace locks on a call out to anywhere in town.
Dang it. This looks quite promising from the fight that it put up from the picking. So close yet so far away.
You could make it work. Buy a slick lock, keep the lock, and toss the hasp. Buy a master lock, toss the lock, and keep the hasp. Simple. 😁
@@iamme2072 that is actually kind of genius. LOL
I doubt it would be so easy to cut through on a van, the bodywork of the van would get in the way of the saw handle.
@@cypherdras most of the thieves use a jigsaw, quicker and less effort
@@cypherdras
Most hacksaws can turn the mounts 90 degrees and mount the blade perpendicular to the frame and handle thus resolving the issue you expect. They are designed that way for odd places or circumstances.
As a locksmith who has recommended these to customers on a few occasions I appreciate this video so I can alert my customers to this flaw.
What flaw? For every measure there is a counter measure.
The flaw. You know. The one from the video you just watched. Just because other flaws exist down the road doesn't mean this flaw didn't exist.
I use slick locks. I've keyed mine up to offer pick resistance and made sure a comb pick will not work. As shown, anything is pick-able with skill. My hope is that it will deter a burglar long enough to make them move on to something else.
I actually had a run in with these before. Fun fact, they'll let you open the door JUST ENOUGH to turn on the interior lights. Was fun having to deal with a dead battery.
The way he opened these van locks in 18 seconds was slick.
@Don't Read My Profile Photo Too late. I read it twice.
@Don't Read My Profile Photo Nice one 😆 🤣 😆 🤣 😆 🤣 😆 🤣 😆 🤣 😆 🤣 😆 🤣 😆 And no, not the rickroll that I know will be at the end even though I've never been rickrolled by this. The joke is you having anybody falling for this.
He said the name of the lock
Had a work van with these hasps, thieves were successful at breaking/ cutting one side of the hasp. Banged in the sheet metal pushing the puck lock back and forth. Also tried torching the door too. They must have been scared off before they could get the factory lock defeated. The cab of the van was also broken into (thanks automakers with your genius engineering for putting locks inside plastic handle assemblies, real secure there, definitely toddler proof😁). Portable power tools make things easier than the should be.
🚨 *I learned how pick my house lock in 8 seconds ( 3rd try) 😂 Thank you! Only problem now is I’m seeing how vulnerable everything is* love your channel* 👍🏼👍🏼
In my family the saying is "Locks keep out honest people, who aren't allowed to be inside. That's it."
If you're not an honest person, or you're allowed to be inside, the lock doesn't matter. You'll go in anyway.
Word of warning: only pick locks you do not care about. It is possible to break a lock while picking so you wouldn't want to break one that is critical to your security (and then have to buy a new one)
@@Ghi102
I'm pretty sure you're doing it wrong then.
Unless you've got locks far fancier than I can afford, that are somehow DESIGNED to break if picked, this isn't a thing. The kind of locks that people would use for practice don't have that.
You're moving pins up and down, not drilling the lock.
WTF did you do to break a lock?!?!
I have neither had this happen to me nor ever seen it happen to anybody else.
watching him for years THIS is a good lock.
The most important part to mention about said vulnerability is that it makes a ton of noise cutting through the steel, drawing attention to the thief. There have also been cases of a thief attempting to twist off the lock and once doing so, the brackets twisted together re-securing the doors.
Would also love to see a video on their sliding door model as that is what most vans on the market are!
Thieves are not afraid of a little noise, they often use angle grinders and saws alls to do their dirty work and those are MUCH louder
And you are wildly overestimating the real world noise of a hack saw based on how it sounds with a mic pointed right at it in an enclosed room
These hack saws are not very noisy. This was done in a garage which reflects noise and a microphone pointed directly at it. Outside you hardly hear them even a couple of meters away, nature sounds or city sounds especially will drown it out easily. Also, it takes some time to notice unusual noise and this is so fast, that you probably overhear it even if you could physically notice it.
Adding some hardened pins to the hasp that mate into the lock body would both make sawing and grinding a lot harder and might also prevent the lock from rattling and maybe wearing the hasp enough that the lock hits the van's paint job.
It doesn't hit the paint
It does damaged paint on my Nissan NV200.On both side doors. Not on the back door. And it's only by putting them on and off. I remove them before driving.
Wow nice to see a lock that needs some actual skill to open. Something Master Lock should write down. Anyway love the vids and cheers from Estonia
Watching him pick it with that tool is so satisfying. It really shows the proces.
"So uncivilized," said LPL, holstering his saw and attaching the million dollar trailer to his own van.
"The Covert Companion. An elegant weapon for a more civilized age"
My dad has these for his van they have held up very well over about 5 years good to know that chances are criminals won't know how to pick them
These videos are oddly satisfying.
I truly enjoy watching LPL's videos. Until now I have not commented on the control environment the various locks are picked. Some locks I would imagine would be more difficult to pick under field conditions, but still vulnerable to picking. To cut the hasp as demonstrated in this video in my opinion would be very difficult if done had the lock been installed against a flat surface such as a rear door of a van it was intended. Still enjoy LPL's videos and will continue to watch.
Hacksaws often have rotatable blades, enabling fairly easy assault even against a flat surface, and most burglars will be using something like a Sawzall, which will have an even easier time of it
My dad has used these locks on both of his trucks for 20 years and they’ve never been robbed so I am shocked at this there really is no lock that cannot be defeated
I mean the average robber does not have the skills to pick open locks with some extra security pins or the balls to use a loud saw to cut the lock off so i'm not all that surprised
A half decent lock, like the one in this video, will deter an opportunistic thief.
Hopefully criminals in your area are not seeing this video.
@@jcp1296 The average thief doesn't want to get IN a vehicle anymore. They want to cut your Catalytic Converters, and they do it with Sawzalls in less than 10 seconds. Please, if you own a Truck, get some Cat Covers and Clamps.
Nothing is perfect, even guarded doors with RFID readers and biometrics. LPL did a collab with penetration testers a few years back and it's stupid easy to get into even "high security" areas. At the end of the day, it's all theatre to make bad guys look for an easier target.
its always a slap, then a hug from daddy LPL.
Worth the extra $5.00 for the collar. Reasonably good core and all, but this lock is not ready for the streets.
@Don't Read My Profile Photo ok, didn't read.
The problem is that in exchange for that collar, you get a Masterlock, so picking is just a joke
@Don't Read My Profile Photo
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A dozen work vans outfitted with Slick locks on the side and back doors resulted in no access by two thieves and other thieves accessing other company’s vehicles instead of ours over the past 7 years. I’d say these locks have served their purpose well protecting $100k worth of equipment. Easy for garage department to install and maintain. This product is well worth it.
Quality content as usual
I have grade 125 Chain around the seat bases in my van with a half inch thick cargo ring thru a slot in the door panel.
Can only open the front doors 4 inches. The rear doors have a ratchet strap holding them closed. The slider has a lock thru the top rail. The slider wont open more than a quarter inch. There is a morse cable operated battery disconnect switch and a kill switch on the fuel pump relay coil ground wire. I have about 20 grand worth of tools in my van. Parked every night on the streets of los angeles. I don't even worry about it. It was so bad before I carried a spare steering column to swap in when they destroyed the ignition housing.
No easy access with a bolt cutter makes this interesting. I think I like the lock even without the hardened steel.
When I saw the thumbnail, I didn’t pay attention to the title and thought that those were tubs of pomade. “Slick Locks” absolutely sounds like a hair product.
I legit misread the thumbnail as "suck..." and thought LPL had prematurely released another April fool's gem 😂
Thanks for the video.
Your hacksaw has one of the best blades I have ever seen in my life...
I've seen that kind of lock on a storage pod that has a latch system with a recess for the lock. There's no getting a saw behind it. You get access to the side of the lock with the keyhole and the front. I've often wondered how you'd get into it.
Hooray LPL! Cutting oil for a hacksaw cut. Nicely done.
I bet hack sawing would be way more difficult with the saw handle pressed up against the van door.
Put the blade in the saw frame at 90 degrees. Not easy but but it’s soft metal….
probably. but any thief these days would have a powertool anyways since they're more likely to steal your muffler than they are your whole car.
You can get a long Sawzall blade and have it flexed and it will come off even faster.
With some hacksaws, you can rotate the blade 45 or 90 degrees from the frame. You could also use the blade without the handle, or even use a cable saw or a coping saw. Those would be slower, but not that slow. I think the point is, sawing this lock is not all that hard.
Better than just the factory door lock that can be punched out with a hammer and screwdriver. A leased vehicle user would charge for repairing holes from that Master lock assembly.
I've had these locks on my work Transit 150 since 2016 and LOVE them. They stop the smash and grab. The door jiggler looking for a quick score probably isn't carrying a hack saw. Its the guy with a spark plug who can take out a window with ease. Speaking of windows my van has window grates also and having installed them myself, they wouldn't be that hard to pry out. Just trying to slow the scoundrels' down.
I would really like to see him picking it with hasp installed onto flat board or something to simulate installed position. It will make picking little more awkward and more restrictive. I am missing the "In-service" aspect of this pick. Holding in hand gives you more maneuverability.
The Lishi tool didn't extend past the back of the lock, so I'd say it would be pretty much the same if it was mounted on something.
i think this specific lock would be easier to pick while mounted since it was awkward to hold the lock with the spinner-housing.
I think mostly all that would change is difficulty in finding a decent camera angle.
Thanks again LPL!
My thought was what if you made a plug with a key blank to locate it, the plug will jam the body and the spinner so you can get leverage for a pipe wrench. The plug would also act as a sear so the wrench jaws don’t just munt the spinner case. Quieter than a hacksaw but admittedly a specialist approach. Just my immediate thoughts 😁
"a lock is only as strong as it's weakest link"
It started so well, but hardened steel could have easily gotten it from an 18 second pick to a ~2 minute one that might break the sawbit.
It does show a lot of promise though.
I wouldn't even bother with the install units and i'd just "massage" the metal so i can install hardened steel bars, considering the extra space that the lock affords you. I've done this in the past with puck locks and it's the easiest method to piss off a burgo. They'll dull blades upon blades until they make it work. Also, the metal is not removed from the van, just slightly bent, easily fixed with a hammer and dolly and a smidge of bondo.
reminds me of the typical D&D joke of the indistructable lock on a door and having one of the players ask "ok, that's cool, whats the rest of the door made of?"
Funnily enough a friend ran into a situation like this in a game, and the players worked out the indestructable door with its indestructible lock was probably worth more then the possible treasure they could get, so spent part of the day breaking down the walls around said door and taking that back to town to sell
On the other hand, trust the dwarf with a pick to ask whats the wall looks like. Bastard broke into abandoned dwarven treasure chamber by completly ignoring the security door.
@@sulevturnpuu5491 What kind of Dwarven doesn't make something about the walls of a treasure vault?
The closed captions are very amusing. While hacksawing through the hasp, the caption said "laughter." And I was laughing at how easy it was to saw through the hasp. Excellent!
This is your alt?!?
I don‘t know why but his videos want to make me buy lockpicking stuff
SHHH! That's the point of his videos. Why do you think he shows products available on his website?
That's not the point of his videos (see the saintcon vid) but yes, the do provide an opportunity to showcase his tools
i just love when he pulls these fancy tools out i just always giggle at the thought of him saying that before breaking into someones house aha
I haven't seen a instant smoking hacksaw before
That lishi tool is excellent for learning to pick, I think. Yes those brackets need case hardening or something, thank you for sharing!
I’d like to see how loud the reverberations are if cutting that while installed ! I’m sure it could be muffled but you’re going to need some improvised dampening devices !
If it's parked in an industrial estate overnight, you'd be surprised how little anyone cares about a bit of noise.
In my city there's a rash of catalytic converters being stolen.
Thieves roll up at 2am, on city streets with dozens of residential houses lining both sides WITH CUTTING POWER TOOLS.
It takes 2-3 minutes per theft.
No one cares.... no one calls the police, no one does anything.
Happened literally outside my window at 3am. The cutting woke me up and I looked outside to see. I did call the police, after an exasperated sigh from the 911 operator, a care was dispatched. The cop did a drive by w 35 minutes later......
You drastically underestimate how little people care when they hear 60 seconds of sawing.
@@brianb8003 35 minutes... That might be a record response to a catalytic theft.
@@brianb8003 Reminds me of someone I knew who called the police to report their car is in the process of being stolen by a group of scary looking guys. The operator told them to come to the station and file a report the next day, nobody was even sent.
@@MonkeyJedi99 wow the fact they even bothered to drive by amazes me.
The best videos, from the legend himself ,always good to watch and learn from, thanks again for the video regards colin from croydon surrey England 👍 👍 ❤
I'm going to call a real world vs. bench inconsistency on this. A thief hacksawing these on an actual van would have the saw and their knuckles against the plane of the van door, not out in the air as LPL did. Not that I don't want to see these hardened, but in the real world with a van also in the way sawing is going to be significantly more difficult (keeping in mind that 3x as long is still under a minute). Now we just need to wait until covert instruments makes a 90º handle hacksaw rig and it's sold out forever, right?
A cordless sawzall is already the tool of choice for thieves with a long flexible blade perfectly suited for such real world plane surfaces.
@@ButterfatFarms Rotating the blade on a standard hacksaw leaves two tips extending behind the blade. A cheap plastic handle bolted to the end of a disposable hardened blade lets you move the blade at will. Another common tool will protect the thief's knuckles.
@@ButterfatFarms I never claimed they lack imagination, I merely omitted a trick that beginners might miss, because I like thieves to fail.
Thanks again LpL, terrific video I always look forward to them
I'd imagine that it would be much slower and more difficult to hacksaw this with a van in the way.
This was my thought as well. For a true test it would need to be mounted in a simulated door.
"A vulnerability that's difficult to overlook". You're a very kind man
Would you still be able to use the Lishi tool if the keyway was rotated 180 degrees? That would make the turning & picking levers be pointing toward the van door.
That wasn't the point of the video. The lishi demonstrated how tough the lock was to pick. Those who watch this channel will appreciate some of the security in the pins.
The video was about how bad the flaw was in comparison. If a real thief would take 20 mins picking that lock or more like a couple hours, 18secs with a hacksaw would be a real letdown, right?
This true. A good idea to mount the padlock that way
Yup, convenient how he always picks locks indoors on a table or a vise. I'd like to see him go out at night and do it in the wild. I'm pretty sure getting shot at or hit with a baseball bat would make it harder to pick the locks....in the dark of course.
@@rmsg7504 ah, you should see the video that he and Bosnian Bill made about the naughty bucket. Or are you on about swordfish
You are absolutely unstoppable
I'm curious, what would you do if the core was mounted 'upside down' so the front of the lishi would be against the door of the van; would the tool still be functional?
Also how much of a pain would it be to saw with your hand raking against the door
@@clion520 Not too much of a concern for a motivated meth head, I believe. :(
@@clion520 easly fixed by bending the hacksaw blade into an L and holding onto the blade to cut. Adds mabey 10 sec to cutting it and works great for all flush cutting needs.
I'm just sitting here patiently waiting for the day LockPickingLawyer forgets to say "Thank You" at the end of his video. Such a nice guy. ;)
Would it be possible to bypass the spinning case by sliding a thin metal sheet between the lock and the housing (like a shim), so that the generated friction locks the mechanism?
If you are planning to rip the lock off the door by brute force, a shim isn't going to generate enough friction to allow you to tear metal...
I'd love to see testing with a compact acetylene torch, like the backpack style ones. I'd bet you could get through the toughest locks on earth before you run out gas.
At that point, any metal part of the door becomes a vulnerability too. A lock won't do you much good if the door doesn't have hinges anymore :P Would still be fun to see though because fire :D
@@resurgam_b7 Hahaha absolutely!
"camera error"
yeah we all forget to hit record from time to time 😄
prob hit the camera with hand and it fell
I enjoy viewing every demonstration. It is clear, there are a plethora of products unworthy of our dollars. I would like a series of product reviews, with your recommendation, understanding a guarantee cannot be offered, demonstrating added value and reliance. My Pop has repeated all my life, “Locks only keep honest people, honest.”
Both of the exploits demonstrated would be significantly more difficult if the lock were properly installed on the back of a van.
There's that word: 'properly'
Never or rarely equates to the real world or the flexibility of door panels
Damn that's embarrassing for a company! 🤣 That saw went thru that shit like butter!
Has he ever failed to open a lock? Is there such a thing as an 'unpickable' lock?
New here so I haven't seen many of his videos. Pretty awesome really.
The Bowley Rotasera 200 has yet to be picked, but it only came out at the beginning of this year so it might just be a matter of time.
He have a video there talks of looks he never have open.
@@ThePapaja1996 ..thanks
@@d.-_-.b . Ok, thanks. Will check it out.
Excelent as always, thank you. If I may suggest, in a case like this, mount the saw sheet 90 degrees from the saw arc, makes easier to cut something that is flush with a door.
How do we know it wasn't a fluke?
I feel cheated.
a fluke normally refers to a quick open. This one took 66 seconds. You know any lock that takes LPL more than 60 seconds is good pick-resistance to an average joe.
This has long been my fear about these style hasps. Luckily our vans have internal 1" steel deadbolts as well.
Client: “Hey I need you to come bail me out of jail”
LPL: “No problem I’ll be down there in just a few”
Client: “how are you gonna get me out and how much is this gonna cost me?”
LPL: “No worries I got this....”
“A little binding on jail cell 1, click on jail cell 2, Looks like a false set on jail cell 3.....”
Always a joy to watch
The Ford transit is a very popular van in the UK and Europe. Never seen that hokey lock on them.
Great point LPL. Loved the vid
I have two Slick Locks on a Ford E body van (AKA) Econoline. I'm fairly certain that the hasps could be sawn in just the manner you've shown. As most people will acknowledge, locks are just a way to keep honest people honest. Given enough time and equipment, no lock will resist. The point of a lock is to discourage folks or to render the time needed for removing the lock too risky.
That's a well-made and well-kept vise you have there.
Such a shame that you had to wreck both locks to show us the vulnerability. Thanks for the video LPL. 🙂👍
My work uses these. I’ll be sending this video to management soon.
Because of you I got a set of lock picking tools, I’ve already gotten 3 open in one day 😃
I love the destructive testing on locks, as it's much more likely to happen than picking.
The captions interpretted the sound of the hacksaw as "[laughter]" 😂
I have had the exact same locks on a work van, in the winter months they can freeze up and jam if not properly lubricated.
A trick to stop the hacksaws I saw someone using for a lock like this securing a door was to add a rubber or plastic washer looking thing or even some string/ wire to fill the gap. It doesn't completely remove the vulnerability but if you have ever tried hacksawing a piece or rubber or a ball of twine without pinning it in place, it isn't easy.
There is no space for rubber washer. And you will not wrap and unwrap the wire around every time you open and close the lock . 20 times a day.
@@MrNiceCobra If there is space for a hacksaw there is space for a bit of rubber even if it needs to be thin. I agree about not wanting to wrap wire or twine 20 times a day but if that is the case you are not leaving the van for more than half an hour during your 10 hour day. These locks are usually used for people who do long van journeys or who need to leave the van overnight for some reason (like small moving/ storage companies etc.) so you would only need to lock it once every 2-3 days. I will clarify it wasn't actually a washer just something that kinda looked like one
Great video, as always. My Grandfather used to tell that all a lock does is to keep an honest man honest. Be well.
How many times have I heard that before?
I have a similar set up on my E350 and the hasp is much thicker and the locks fit tightly against the van. I'm sure that a determined thief in a private area could get it open somehow, but they would have to come prepared with a sawzall and at least 3 long blades. OR they could pick the lock.
Thanks LPL
There is one detail that is being overlooked. While the vulnerability does seem to suggest that it could easily be cut off, however, when the lock/spinner is installed on the vehicle, there is little to no room to get a saw blade between the lock and the vehicle. It is designed to be snug. I know this because I have that on my van and it is pretty snug. I use the ASSA Maximum+ Restricted Lock for anti pick/drill.
I have 3 of this locks on Nissan NV 200.
They are not snug. There is a gap to easy slide hacksaw blade. Specifically on the back door.
Great video LPL!😸
Glad to know the pinning is decent, but I always figured it would be easy to cut them off especially since the one on the back of my company vehicle doesn’t sit flush. But hey everything in my van is insured 🤷🏻♂️
Best videos out there!