kindergarten entertainment for the rich. there is nothing cooler than flying saucers yet and it is pointless to wait for them, they will never let you do it. greed and lust for power will always be on top. brace yourself.
they ll get quieter over time, we already have propeller designs that are much quieter and efficient. It’s just a matter of time. It will be rich people who dont like to commute but have big houses outside city. It would have way lower maintenance cost and easier to fly or automate hence quite cheap to fly and maintain.
Air taxis will be too loud to land often anywhere but airports. Tech can't solve all problems. Jets got much quieter but still are loud. Adding a medium whine to occur all the time as 100s fly overhead would be awful. Awful.
I just doubt drones especially carrying people will work.... I admit some noise of drones can be muffled. But it's still too loud. . . . And needed landing area for big flying cars is big, so much wind, like a whole parking lot, but most houses don't have full parking lot. . . I wonder how many people will be hurt from air blast picking up sticks, or houses scratched from sticks..... . And crashes will happen.... When a small flying vehicle has issues it's often fatal.. ”""Most aviation deaths in 2020 took place during general aviation operations, where 332 were killed, compared to 414 the year before. The 2020 fatal accident rate in general aviation was 1.049 accidents per 100,000 flight hours, compared to 2019’s rate of 1.064.""""". This suggests if each vehicle flies 2000 hours a year, 1 in 50 will have deadly crash each year. If ten people are sharing a drone, each person commuting 1 hour a day, this means 1 in 500 chance of fatal crash from commuting by air each year. I'm serious, flying small vehicles is RISKY. Even if electric drones are 2x safer than small planes, this is 1/1000 chance of dying each year in flying vehicle used daily.. The odds of dying in car are 36,000 per 360m Americans, so 1/10,000. Small planes are carefully maintains, with total teardown and cleaning every 500 hours. A drone in air 2000 hours a year won't be immune from same maintenance and costs and medium risk of failure.. Even if have parachute they can land in middle of ground traffic and get run over, or land on a pedestrian..... Boy, future is hard to predict. Flying stuff seems a longshot. . Peace
Man I’m a truck driver. I’m in traffic every day for 12hr. I’ve dreamed about VTOLs for years. I know so many people who would love to fly in and out to work over ground traffic. This will definitely change the game. If they have some affordable way for people to utilize their services, it’s a rap from there. I’m saving up to take helicopter classes just for this.
I don't think they can succeed because of their design. Lilium have more efficiency with much better design. They use DEVT jet engines with advantages in payload, aerodynamic efficiency and a lower noise profile.
Honestly the only way these would work on a massive scale is if they were automated. You would input your destination and if there is parking available then the car would take you to the nearest air route and straight to your destination. I really can’t see people taking things wherever they want but we will see
Or maybe because of the literal list of reasons he just stated 😂 Imagine thousands (or hundreds of thousands if you're suggesting replacing cars) of personal helicopters flying around your town for a half a fucking second dude. Have you ever DRIVEN in a city? If so you know what a nightmare it is, and how unqualified half of the drivers out there are. Imagine that problem extended into 3D Like, how do you watch someone rationally explain why they don't think an idea will ever be mass implemented in its current state, and go "Ur jUst jeAlouS!" Like, seriously? Are you 12?
It’s true what he’s saying. Those are inherent practical issues. Uses will probably not be in wide application urban environments. But still great for other use cases
Blade is a better bet IMO. They have an established business flying routes, and just would need to partner with a manufacturer if eVTOLs succeed. Their market cap right now is almost the same as their yearly revenue, they’re very undervalued and slept on. I own Archer and Joby, but I don’t think they’re going to beat a company that has been established for a decade or so in terms of civilian transportation. Joby and Archer have a better chance at contracts I think, that’s where the gamble is with them. They could become huge given the tech works and they get government and private contracts, but for those betting on civilian transport, they’re far behind a company like Blade who can just buy eVTOLs if they work.
@@DoggoWillink you are correct on Blade being an excellent with its current flying routes, but remember Joby and archer are Uber type investments for the common person blade is more upperclass . Personally I think u having all 3 is a solid choice and me I’m probably gonna look into blade but Joby is still leading with its marketing and market cap
@@UnidadFamiliarCristiana at the time I posted this I bought Joby at 3.35 per share and had about 4500 shares and sold last month I made almost a times 2 profit but if your still holding they just made a partnership with Dubai and a new prediction is the shares should jump up too 12.10 a share so if your still Holding ether sell now or than and you made a profit
the aircraft are possible but the practicality of them in cities is iffy whereas going to mars is actually fully practical and we've been doing it since the 60s with unmanned landers so its not a valid comparison at all
I actually agree with him. Having individually piloted VTOLs all over the city would be a disaster. I think the only way it could work is if they were autopiloted.
Oh geez there would not be. Ultralights, hanggliders and paragliders are super cheap and you dont see those flying anywhere near a city. Thats a redicukous reason. You just dont want people being aboe to fly whenever and whereever they want. We cant have them experience what you people get to experience everyday. Why they might actually start to think that they are freee?
Air taxis will happen before robotaxis. As it cuts out all the route complexity. And evtols have a solid backup safety tolerance. It will not just crash like propeller plans and helicopters do.
He's terribly wrong here. eVTOLS satisfy a sub-helicopter need and are based on a renewal energy source. That means they can expand to become a means to cover distances quickly and cheaply. That includes difficult, unsurfaced terrain too.
I think Lilium from Bavaria (Germany) is one of the best eVOTL. Not a two or three-seater, but a flying taxi with more people. It will take some time, but the future is getting closer.
Not everyone likes Starlink with initial constellation target of some 4K LEO satellites. But, hey it works & there’s a market for it. Likewise, eVTOL’s have a niche transport role that must surely be encouraged. Someday, the tech will mature as well.
Granted i disagree with him here in regards to what he is saying, 😅 you forgot he is the only person who has a team that can successfully land rocket boosters back on earth. 😅😅😅 @@floydb9100
I think a standard number of EVTOLs for regional flights only within an hour commuting (via car) would be the most appropriate for the market. At least that’s what I think will probably occur given the technology today.
Elon Musk is NOT a clown! For one, the dude may have single-handedly saved free speech in America. Secondly, he is working very hard to make humanity an inter-planetary species. He is also absolutely correct regarding most VTOLS. However, at least one company seems to be dialing it in correctly. I'm placing my bets on Lilium.
Musk has no problem changing his mind over time. It's just a matter of figuring out a technology that wouldn't have those issues. For wide adoption of VTOL travel, they need to be almost completely automated, also with many redundancy features for safety reasons. For the major impact of noise pollution, I think adjustable wing VTOLs would make a difference by rotating their wings to glide and also reduce their RPMs while in flight. There are already companies like JOBY that do exactly that to a great success. But I'm not sure why people are bashing Elon for just about anything. He disrupts enough industries as it is. Tesla will most probably develop the kind of batteries that will make eVTOLs practical and approachable for consumer use.
@@robroninja There are people out there who is willing to pay for a 20 min helicopter ride, you think those people will not converted to EVOTL customers on subscription basis
Lilium sounds like an ocean wave with its shrouded, ducted - fan, not a chopper. And, once it's cruising above 2,000 feet AGL it will be hard to notice, especially conpared to the huge rotored devices like Archer that utilize mutilple large rotors (larger than the average light aircraft), making a Piper Cub sound like a church mouse. Lilium cracked it.
I don't agree with Musk. Helicopters are very expensive to operate, they burn a ton of gasoline, and flights may not be affordable to the average person, depending on your destination. For example, I wanted to travel from the city to my place upstate. Driving takes many hours due to traffic and there aren't any scheduled flights to the rural area I'm going to. So I looked up a helicopter charter and they want like $7000 to go to the small airport upstate near my destination. Flying cars would make it easier and affordable. The distance by air is only 145 miles in my case.
As a 757/767 pilot he is clearly wrong. Remember all the trash talk about electric cars? I understand your fear of you loosing a job but it’s going to happen to all of us pilots. Invest in it so you can retire off of it early.
I think it depends on what you mean by "succeed". Jetson is doing pretty well. The idea of everybody flying around with those things all the time is not feasible but as a recreational craft - why not? ...also, most the points he raised also apply to helicopters.
Instead of going down 50 stories in a building, travel across ground to get to another buildings level, just go to the top floor and take an E-VTOL from a platform on top of building, to another platform.
Treat them like blimps in the early 1900s, have Platforms at top of TALL buildings in dense cities. Youre essentially trying to make building to building transport without sky bridges and plateau travel on the ground
A. Honestly Joby is pretty quiet. WAY more quiet than a typical rotor, single or twin prop aircraft. B. I’ve been a pilot for nearly twenty years. In that time, we haven’t gotten any closer to “affordable” private air travel than we were when the Wright brothers flew, so this point is moot. The average person is not going to see any more VTOLs that they see helicopters currently. Stupid argument is stupid.
He actually has a point. Do you know how loud a drone is when it’s in the sky. Now imagine a giant drone. Imagine the wind it will produce and imagine it being electric. I bet I won’t ever get in one of those things. Hell I don’t even like helicopters. Ala Kobe Bryant. It’s not hate and if you flew a drone. He built a rocket you don’t think he could have jumped on the evtol market. Come on you have to be a complete clown to say he’s mad because he didn’t build one. Lmao!!!
True. Though I believe they will be used far more often then helos. They are quieter as well. A huge part of the population lives in suburban areas so I think this whole thing is a great idea, for all places expect densely population cities like nyc. Yet they are testing them in manhattan so they can’t be so bad.
I suspect he's right. The energy required to lift 4 people, their clobber, the machinery to lift them and the fuel to provide that energy is immense. That's why helicopters are so big, noisy and expensive. A car is a helicopter that doesn't take off. Look how much simpler it is... and cheaper... and quieter, just because it outsources it's lifting to the roads.
As much as I dislike this, I have to agree; he has a point. The idea of having multiple thousands of, essentially, giant drones (fucking basically miniature helicarriers) in the airspace all at the same time vying to arrive at some of the same destinations sounds incredibly dangerous! There would have to be very limited use, in general, as well as scheduled flight traffic to avoid colliding with other airborne vehicles. It would completely change/revolutionize transportation if we could get past factors dealing with wind and weather. Not to mention, the power source would have to be immense.
totally wrong on this and Elon knows it. Engineering is a field with constant improvement, so to say the feasibility of something like eVTOL is not good because VTOL is loud and impracticle is making a decision about an industry based on it's current state, not on it's potential state. Tesla was built on the potential state of vehicle industry, not the state of vehicles when Tesla began.
I understood somewhat of how the UFOs were powered… It basically has the power of a cyclone spinning and uses that power even creates a energy field around that plane that makes it no longer under the laws of physics.
You would have to create a massive amount of energy and shield against things like heat and offset gravity. The power needed would be tremendous- more than a spinning disc would generate.
If you add redundant motors and batteries with also an autopilot system the probability of a crash will be way lower..for the noise and air turbulence near ground they should use low noise propellers like in stealth planes and a crane system which will lower the passenger to the ground
He makes sense but I still want one. The only reason I haven't bought one is because they don't have a gas electric hybrid. Yeh, I'm gonna spend 100k to fly around for 20 minutes 😂
agree, but 1. evtol can fly cheaper than helicopters, 3 times lower cost 2. fly evtol a lot easier than helicopters (cheap automatic stabilisation, autopilots, ets,) evtol has BRS parashute 3. in season your arm is longbow 4. its a pleasure to fly safely and cheaper. 5. 30% of our planet is a uncnown territory without access. like a mars , be a discoverer.
evtols and helicopters are just as easy to control with flight controllers. a person can fly a helicopter without a computer but it would be impossible for a person to fly a vtol.
@@frankyflowers absolutely, but helicopters flight controllers are a lot expensive, flying helicopter by hand is complicated process, electric vtols scheme is a lot cheaper and easy to use
@@frankyflowers in classic helicopters it always integrated with hydraulics, and it costs $, don't remember r44 autopilot price, but many zeros. in vtols it may be direct drive by electricity, that is cheaper
I don’t want a street legal helicopter, because I don’t like flying just like Cus D’Amato didn’t like flying, I also hate helicopters after Kobe, and extortion 17, and the helicopter that was lost during the Red Wings mission in rescue of Marcus Luttrell, and any other great person that died in a helicopter or plane crash
@@TheRealTomahawk dont forget the super stealthy advance declassified black hawk helo that crashed during the raid of Osama Bin Laden compound in 2011.
@@rylanthompson5844The point of this is 0 carbon emissions, by redesigning the body and make them lighter for maximum efficiency, a battery powered helicopter wouldn't make it 20miles before battery runs out, so yes they are getting replaced soon.
He should look into Jetoptera. Their propulsion system is much more silent and they are currently undergoing development in the military, but will also enter the commercial market.
i think will succeed as personal flying vehicle taking it from cars. May be in dense urban areas there will be some restriction same as we have it for car parking in city centers. but from suburban standpoint the solution is perfect. a one can park such a vehicle in his/her backyard and use it for various ranges trips. it will create a whole new segment of tourism market as people will be flexible to travel around a lot. From home to job and back transfer application it will widen the people opportunities either.
Before this comment, I thought he was an engineer. Larger blades makes less noise. Toroidal blades make less noise. Staying at higher altitudes reduce the sound problem. Landing in grass deals nicely with the wind problem. You could also lower the carriage by cables to reduce wind, noise, and enable drop-off and pick-up virtually anywhere. You can also create air lanes of travel over cities to keep them from flying over people's backyards and such. We already have that, to some extent, with airplanes. An engineer solves problems. Mr. Musk is acting more like a scientist in pessimistically declaring what is or is not so. An engineer makes it so.
Imagine if this Elon had told the younger Elon that VTOLs would be to loud to succeed…Younger Elon would just say “We will make them quieter…Yah” Older Elon what about the snow? Younger Elon We will reroute the battery coolant to heat sinks to warm affected equipment. Older Elon 🤷🏻♂️ What about things falling out of the sky??? Younger Elon that’s on you bro, it was your job to invent full self driving…😬
I like Elon, but something tells me that if he's not in on an innovation, then it won't work. All legit issues he brought, but it won't entirely scuttle the eVTOL air taxi use case, it just will reorient optimistic expectations held during the SPAC boom.
Odd 🤔 Didn’t he try to purchase Lilium (LILM)? And, they said no. Can someone please correct me with accuracy? And, Lilium doesn’t use propellers / drone-like. Lilium uses jet power.
does it really need explaining that the reason he is against it is because he knows his company wont be able to produce a safe enough vehicle to be allowed to sell it?
Vtols or e-vtols are absolutly the future, just think of all the money beeing saved on not needing roads and maintaining them and how many less accidents especially with wild life there will be. The future looks bright, all we need is better batteries so we get some decent range and price but that will come with quantum computing in a few years.
What opinion exists that isnt biased ? He gave his and you still clearly gave yours. And elon also gave his . All opinions with bias . You missed the elon being biased part went straight over your head thats why the authors opinion is what it is and your is what yours is .
So he said the price should go up really high So it can only be access by very few people or have cars that don't use propeller and stable with that. I bet it using only electricity or magnetic field from under the earth .
Except the JOBY S4 eVTOL is 100 times quieter than a conventional helicopter. Also, like Tesla cars, there are far fewer moving parts and far less maintenance costs involved. And the upfront cost of building the vehicle at scale will be much lower. From recent business decisions he’s made, I think Musk has totally lost it.
Joby’s challenge hasn’t even started. Making a prototype vehicle that flies is not too hard. Making it safe to operate all the time is a totally different story.
Interesting that Elon hasn't figured out noise cancellation for drone motors similar to noise cancelling headphones. He'll figure it out someday (there's a patent out there).
Now, I like the idea of an entity autonomously walking to locations but now we've got all these artificially programmed aluminum/sheet metal entities which are spiritually noisy on the cognitive baseline operating plane and so like...
If helicopters were sufficient then you wouldn’t have the interest in the VTols. Maybe the Vtols would be less noisy etc if they were better utilized. Maybe sitting too long in a garage causes the loudness. And maybe traveling far and away more often would possibly help. I think that’s the name of a movie about Canada Geese. I love those. I am sure I could think of how to improve your VTOLs but I’d prob have to have more info on them. If you would like my two cents on these, I would be happy to. You can pay me in the normal ways plus I love your water bottles. I was promised one already by someone in your mt kisco location….
He's wrong and on this, number one is that helicopters are not practical for inner city commute Not to mention, there are noise reduction technology, what it is is, he doesn't want anything to interfere with his Tesla cars..
He’s correct… As a GA pilot, I’ve already lost a prop and had a wing damaged by a 13 year old kid flying drones, I could have been killed or killed someone’s family. I hate drones with a passion, should be illegal. I can’t imagine a time when these noisy ass machines are buzzing 24/7. Hard pass……
Astute remarks - Robinson Helicopters did it right - they took a proven design, integrated a battery, and their solution has better range, safety margins, etc than ANY of the "new" very similar eVTOL's that are prone to many problems to include far increased Vortex Ring State of their rotor systems.
Sometimes, Elon is just incorrect. It happens. It's called being human. 😊 Personally, although I like Tesla's cars, I am not a huge fan of the front end styling. I think that the model three and y could have some different bumper cover options from the factory. Would only be a minor change in pricing, but all of the cars wouldn't be an ugly carbon copy of one another.Just my opinion.
People can barely operate cars in 2D. Flying is like 3D. The amount of fui landing in trees, hitting power lines, landing on rooftops, crashing into other vtols. The licensing system would have to be an aviation license at least.
I like the idea of hyper loop but we already have these things called trains.
kindergarten entertainment for the rich. there is nothing cooler than flying saucers yet and it is pointless to wait for them, they will never let you do it. greed and lust for power will always be on top. brace yourself.
You cant compare a service that still would be useless to half the population, to a service that would change international transport from the root
Hyper loop is a fixed system that speeds up inter-city travel exponentially
@@rylanthompson5844 as if like Rails were not fixed..
@@bushairkp trains can’t go 600 mph.
they ll get quieter over time, we already have propeller designs that are much quieter and efficient. It’s just a matter of time. It will be rich people who dont like to commute but have big houses outside city. It would have way lower maintenance cost and easier to fly or automate hence quite cheap to fly and maintain.
Air taxis will be too loud to land often anywhere but airports. Tech can't solve all problems. Jets got much quieter but still are loud. Adding a medium whine to occur all the time as 100s fly overhead would be awful. Awful.
@@noonientrekdfaasdexcept evtol on basic are already much quieter than a helicopter,,,🙄😒
I just doubt drones especially carrying people will work.... I admit some noise of drones can be muffled. But it's still too loud. . . . And needed landing area for big flying cars is big, so much wind, like a whole parking lot, but most houses don't have full parking lot. . . I wonder how many people will be hurt from air blast picking up sticks, or houses scratched from sticks..... .
And crashes will happen.... When a small flying vehicle has issues it's often fatal.. ”""Most aviation deaths in 2020 took place during general aviation operations, where 332 were killed, compared to 414 the year before. The 2020 fatal accident rate in general aviation was 1.049 accidents per 100,000 flight hours, compared to 2019’s rate of 1.064.""""". This suggests if each vehicle flies 2000 hours a year, 1 in 50 will have deadly crash each year. If ten people are sharing a drone, each person commuting 1 hour a day, this means 1 in 500 chance of fatal crash from commuting by air each year. I'm serious, flying small vehicles is RISKY.
Even if electric drones are 2x safer than small planes, this is 1/1000 chance of dying each year in flying vehicle used daily.. The odds of dying in car are 36,000 per 360m Americans, so 1/10,000.
Small planes are carefully maintains, with total teardown and cleaning every 500 hours. A drone in air 2000 hours a year won't be immune from same maintenance and costs and medium risk of failure..
Even if have parachute they can land in middle of ground traffic and get run over, or land on a pedestrian.....
Boy, future is hard to predict. Flying stuff seems a longshot. . Peace
joby
What we need is for the government to stop hoarding antigravity technology.
Man I’m a truck driver. I’m in traffic every day for 12hr. I’ve dreamed about VTOLs for years. I know so many people who would love to fly in and out to work over ground traffic. This will definitely change the game. If they have some affordable way for people to utilize their services, it’s a rap from there. I’m saving up to take helicopter classes just for this.
He may be upset because ex-Tesla employees are working at places like Joby and Archer Aviation
I think this is a deepfake. His mouth is moving strangely
Basically just described a few people I know. Was excised to work at Tesla, then realized Elon is not a very good employer and moved to joby
@@therealgaben5527serious work environment. Good pay and stock options tho. I think 2 million applied to work there last year.
I don't think they can succeed because of their design. Lilium have more efficiency with much better design. They use DEVT jet engines with advantages in payload, aerodynamic efficiency and a lower noise profile.
Nope. He doesn’t care about his employees. Why should he care for people who left?
Honestly the only way these would work on a massive scale is if they were automated. You would input your destination and if there is parking available then the car would take you to the nearest air route and straight to your destination. I really can’t see people taking things wherever they want but we will see
I think he’s being negative because he didn’t invest or create one.
Its a deepfake
I would say he would become more positive if he invented it.
He did invest lilium
He hasn't created anything!
Or maybe because of the literal list of reasons he just stated 😂
Imagine thousands (or hundreds of thousands if you're suggesting replacing cars) of personal helicopters flying around your town for a half a fucking second dude.
Have you ever DRIVEN in a city?
If so you know what a nightmare it is, and how unqualified half of the drivers out there are.
Imagine that problem extended into 3D
Like, how do you watch someone rationally explain why they don't think an idea will ever be mass implemented in its current state, and go
"Ur jUst jeAlouS!"
Like, seriously?
Are you 12?
It’s true what he’s saying. Those are inherent practical issues.
Uses will probably not be in wide application urban environments.
But still great for other use cases
Its hypocritical coming from him and hes an a hole but hes not wrong about the practicality of them currently
Joby is gonna make such a difference in the world next year
Blade is a better bet IMO. They have an established business flying routes, and just would need to partner with a manufacturer if eVTOLs succeed. Their market cap right now is almost the same as their yearly revenue, they’re very undervalued and slept on. I own Archer and Joby, but I don’t think they’re going to beat a company that has been established for a decade or so in terms of civilian transportation. Joby and Archer have a better chance at contracts I think, that’s where the gamble is with them. They could become huge given the tech works and they get government and private contracts, but for those betting on civilian transport, they’re far behind a company like Blade who can just buy eVTOLs if they work.
@@DoggoWillink you are correct on
Blade being an excellent with its current flying routes, but remember Joby and archer are Uber type investments for the common person blade is more upperclass . Personally I think u having all 3 is a solid choice and me I’m probably gonna look into blade but Joby is still leading with its marketing and market cap
lillium is such a better platform imo.
It's now next year. Hope you were right.
@@UnidadFamiliarCristiana at the time I posted this I bought Joby at 3.35 per share and had about 4500 shares and sold last month I made almost a times 2 profit but if your still holding they just made a partnership with Dubai and a new prediction is the shares should jump up too 12.10 a share so if your still
Holding ether sell now or than and you made a profit
Sure, we can get to Mars, but flying cars? That's just sky-high chaos.
Yeah, excellent apples to apples comparison.
the aircraft are possible but the practicality of them in cities is iffy whereas going to mars is actually fully practical and we've been doing it since the 60s with unmanned landers so its not a valid comparison at all
I actually agree with him. Having individually piloted VTOLs all over the city would be a disaster. I think the only way it could work is if they were autopiloted.
They already are autopiloted.
@@Slayer-33 I mean on some type of singular network, where theres a single system that syncs and manages all of them.
Oh geez there would not be. Ultralights, hanggliders and paragliders are super cheap and you dont see those flying anywhere near a city. Thats a redicukous reason. You just dont want people being aboe to fly whenever and whereever they want. We cant have them experience what you people get to experience everyday. Why they might actually start to think that they are freee?
@@MaxPowers2.0creepy.
@@suetaylor1127 I disagree. I for one welcome our future AI overlords. Humans ain’t doing the best job at the moment, in case you haven’t noticed😬.
Air taxis will happen before robotaxis. As it cuts out all the route complexity. And evtols have a solid backup safety tolerance. It will not just crash like propeller plans and helicopters do.
He's terribly wrong here. eVTOLS satisfy a sub-helicopter need and are based on a renewal energy source. That means they can expand to become a means to cover distances quickly and cheaply. That includes difficult, unsurfaced terrain too.
He’s 100 right. Personal VTOLs will be like dirt bikes. Not road legal, but do what you like on your own property
You can ride dirt bikes in the street
law abiding coward you are. are you delulu
If the lightsaber was invemted, he'd say we already have swords.
I think Lilium from Bavaria (Germany) is one of the best eVOTL. Not a two or three-seater, but a flying taxi with more people. It will take some time, but the future is getting closer.
Not everyone likes Starlink with initial constellation target of some 4K LEO satellites. But, hey it works & there’s a market for it. Likewise, eVTOL’s have a niche transport role that must surely be encouraged. Someday, the tech will mature as well.
Elon is smart but he won't be right about everything.
of course he don't think it will succeed. He has cars to sell haha
Granted i disagree with him here in regards to what he is saying, 😅 you forgot he is the only person who has a team that can successfully land rocket boosters back on earth. 😅😅😅 @@floydb9100
Warren Buffett was wrong about Tesla.
and amazon
What did he say?
He was right.. if you see the stock price now..!
I think a standard number of EVTOLs for regional flights only within an hour commuting (via car) would be the most appropriate for the market. At least that’s what I think will probably occur given the technology today.
Elon Musk is NOT a clown! For one, the dude may have single-handedly saved free speech in America. Secondly, he is working very hard to make humanity an inter-planetary species. He is also absolutely correct regarding most VTOLS. However, at least one company seems to be dialing it in correctly. I'm placing my bets on Lilium.
Archer aviation is testing in Chicago. Windy city ! The performance does great.
Musk has no problem changing his mind over time. It's just a matter of figuring out a technology that wouldn't have those issues. For wide adoption of VTOL travel, they need to be almost completely automated, also with many redundancy features for safety reasons. For the major impact of noise pollution, I think adjustable wing VTOLs would make a difference by rotating their wings to glide and also reduce their RPMs while in flight. There are already companies like JOBY that do exactly that to a great success. But I'm not sure why people are bashing Elon for just about anything. He disrupts enough industries as it is. Tesla will most probably develop the kind of batteries that will make eVTOLs practical and approachable for consumer use.
He can’t say anything good unless he was the first one to think of it . Lots of smart people in the world besides you 🎉
But he can have an opinion though, can’t he? Seems like people are being more negative towards him than he is towards vtols
There’s lots of ideas that seem cool but don’t make sense from a business perspective. Elon makes accurate points
@@robroninja There are people out there who is willing to pay for a 20 min helicopter ride, you think those people will not converted to EVOTL customers on subscription basis
Lilium sounds like an ocean wave with its shrouded, ducted - fan, not a chopper.
And, once it's cruising above 2,000 feet AGL it will be hard to notice, especially conpared to the huge rotored devices like Archer that utilize mutilple large rotors (larger than the average light aircraft), making a Piper Cub sound like a church mouse.
Lilium cracked it.
I don't agree with Musk. Helicopters are very expensive to operate, they burn a ton of gasoline, and flights may not be affordable to the average person, depending on your destination. For example, I wanted to travel from the city to my place upstate. Driving takes many hours due to traffic and there aren't any scheduled flights to the rural area I'm going to. So I looked up a helicopter charter and they want like $7000 to go to the small airport upstate near my destination. Flying cars would make it easier and affordable. The distance by air is only 145 miles in my case.
As a helicopter pilot, he ain’t wrong.
He is wrong on noise and look at his stock falling now. Take what this guy says with a grain of salt for sure!
@user-uc8jo4nq1pexcept he's not..
But it is not a helicopter. He is just of bad faith
As a 757/767 pilot he is clearly wrong. Remember all the trash talk about electric cars? I understand your fear of you loosing a job but it’s going to happen to all of us pilots. Invest in it so you can retire off of it early.
Lilium is not noisy
elon is spot on 👍🏼
I think it depends on what you mean by "succeed". Jetson is doing pretty well. The idea of everybody flying around with those things all the time is not feasible but as a recreational craft - why not?
...also, most the points he raised also apply to helicopters.
Instead of going down 50 stories in a building, travel across ground to get to another buildings level, just go to the top floor and take an E-VTOL from a platform on top of building, to another platform.
Treat them like blimps in the early 1900s, have Platforms at top of TALL buildings in dense cities.
Youre essentially trying to make building to building transport without sky bridges and plateau travel on the ground
They will improve, more blades, less rpm, quieter. Tech will address much of the noise. It’s still the best test bed out there. Grow from it.
A. Honestly Joby is pretty quiet. WAY more quiet than a typical rotor, single or twin prop aircraft.
B. I’ve been a pilot for nearly twenty years. In that time, we haven’t gotten any closer to “affordable” private air travel than we were when the Wright brothers flew, so this point is moot.
The average person is not going to see any more VTOLs that they see helicopters currently.
Stupid argument is stupid.
I disagree with Elmo in a lot of topics. But regarding VTOL I agree: Too noisy, too much waste of energy.
Couldn’t agree more! I think it’s a sweet idea it’s just got way more cons then has for pros
He actually has a point. Do you know how loud a drone is when it’s in the sky. Now imagine a giant drone. Imagine the wind it will produce and imagine it being electric. I bet I won’t ever get in one of those things. Hell I don’t even like helicopters. Ala Kobe Bryant. It’s not hate and if you flew a drone. He built a rocket you don’t think he could have jumped on the evtol market. Come on you have to be a complete clown to say he’s mad because he didn’t build one. Lmao!!!
Of course he has a point but you miss all the hypocrisy and bend towards hes own tech and investments
Isn't he just talking about VTOLs, and not eVTOLs? It's the batteries that make it more quieter along with the propulsion
It wouldn't be that noisy. engineers are smart people. They figured that out already
Seeing people in the comment section disagree shows you that people have no sense at all.
Seems cool for rural areas, but yea if these things were buzzing around in a city I'd move into the mountains
True. Though I believe they will be used far more often then helos. They are quieter as well. A huge part of the population lives in suburban areas so I think this whole thing is a great idea, for all places expect densely population cities like nyc. Yet they are testing them in manhattan so they can’t be so bad.
Meanwhile cars and bikes making noises while being perfectly fine with it -_-
@@MenderSlen579 I'm less paranoid about those falling onto my head
Yes, but... if you regulate the high and restrict the path of the vehicle, then you never have to build a road again.
I suspect he's right. The energy required to lift 4 people, their clobber, the machinery to lift them and the fuel to provide that energy is immense. That's why helicopters are so big, noisy and expensive.
A car is a helicopter that doesn't take off. Look how much simpler it is... and cheaper... and quieter, just because it outsources it's lifting to the roads.
As much as I dislike this, I have to agree; he has a point. The idea of having multiple thousands of, essentially, giant drones (fucking basically miniature helicarriers) in the airspace all at the same time vying to arrive at some of the same destinations sounds incredibly dangerous! There would have to be very limited use, in general, as well as scheduled flight traffic to avoid colliding with other airborne vehicles. It would completely change/revolutionize transportation if we could get past factors dealing with wind and weather. Not to mention, the power source would have to be immense.
Yes I agree. He offers a different perspective that makes sense.
The blink and you miss clown face was very mature.
He is a clown
Yep, he's right.
totally wrong on this and Elon knows it. Engineering is a field with constant improvement, so to say the feasibility of something like eVTOL is not good because VTOL is loud and impracticle is making a decision about an industry based on it's current state, not on it's potential state. Tesla was built on the potential state of vehicle industry, not the state of vehicles when Tesla began.
Yep, I agree with Elon......unless / until we have antigravity machines like flying saucers that make no noise and do not create any air disturbance.
Please tell me this is sarcasm
@@Sensual_Tortoise No sarcasm:
ruclips.net/video/p0NLNX6wAHs/видео.htmlsi=AlNYf-bH700GByl7
no it will work if its produced by Tesla
@joey8435 But it won't because the head of Tesla himself doesn't even believe in it.
JOBY S4 has solved all the issues he mentioned.
I understood somewhat of how the UFOs were powered… It basically has the power of a cyclone spinning and uses that power even creates a energy field around that plane that makes it no longer under the laws of physics.
You would have to create a massive amount of energy and shield against things like heat and offset gravity. The power needed would be tremendous- more than a spinning disc would generate.
VTOLs will never be a thing because it will never be cost effective.
He’s 1000% right.
If you add redundant motors and batteries with also an autopilot system the probability of a crash will be way lower..for the noise and air turbulence near ground they should use low noise propellers like in stealth planes and a crane system which will lower the passenger to the ground
I agree with him to a certain extent but I DO think VTOLs will succeed
He makes sense but I still want one. The only reason I haven't bought one is because they don't have a gas electric hybrid. Yeh, I'm gonna spend 100k to fly around for 20 minutes 😂
Planes make noise and they fly all over the place but they're not always falling on people.
agree, but
1. evtol can fly cheaper than helicopters, 3 times lower cost
2. fly evtol a lot easier than helicopters (cheap automatic stabilisation, autopilots, ets,)
evtol has BRS parashute
3. in season your arm is longbow
4. its a pleasure to fly safely and cheaper.
5. 30% of our planet is a uncnown territory without access. like a mars , be a discoverer.
how can you know that when people don't fly in them yet?
evtols and helicopters are just as easy to control with flight controllers. a person can fly a helicopter without a computer but it would be impossible for a person to fly a vtol.
@@frankyflowers absolutely, but helicopters flight controllers are a lot expensive, flying helicopter by hand is complicated process, electric vtols scheme is a lot cheaper and easy to use
@@tl1562 they aren't expensive. they can even be an 8bit flight controller for a helicopter
@@frankyflowers in classic helicopters it always integrated with hydraulics, and it costs $, don't remember r44 autopilot price, but many zeros. in vtols it may be direct drive by electricity, that is cheaper
And, the simple idea is to replace helicopters.
I don’t want a street legal helicopter, because I don’t like flying just like Cus D’Amato didn’t like flying, I also hate helicopters after Kobe, and extortion 17, and the helicopter that was lost during the Red Wings mission in rescue of Marcus Luttrell, and any other great person that died in a helicopter or plane crash
Helicopters have very powerful turboshaft engines, these will NOT replace them
@@TheRealTomahawk dont forget the super stealthy advance declassified black hawk helo that crashed during the raid of Osama Bin Laden compound in 2011.
@@rylanthompson5844The point of this is 0 carbon emissions, by redesigning the body and make them lighter for maximum efficiency, a battery powered helicopter wouldn't make it 20miles before battery runs out, so yes they are getting replaced soon.
@@Stephenson-2-18 no, will still need heavy lift helicopters with an actual usable range. These are not gonna cut it
Lets just use them not over cities and with good weather conditions
He’s not a clown lol it won’t succeed he’s right. Looks damn fun though and I would buy one.
He should look into Jetoptera. Their propulsion system is much more silent and they are currently undergoing development in the military, but will also enter the commercial market.
i think will succeed as personal flying vehicle taking it from cars. May be in dense urban areas there will be some restriction same as we have it for car parking in city centers. but from suburban standpoint the solution is perfect. a one can park such a vehicle in his/her backyard and use it for various ranges trips. it will create a whole new segment of tourism market as people will be flexible to travel around a lot. From home to job and back transfer application it will widen the people opportunities either.
Uhh these EV Vtols are quieter than helicopters.
drones will be big market for military purposes imagine thousands of chinese flys attaking like metrix
Before this comment, I thought he was an engineer. Larger blades makes less noise. Toroidal blades make less noise. Staying at higher altitudes reduce the sound problem. Landing in grass deals nicely with the wind problem. You could also lower the carriage by cables to reduce wind, noise, and enable drop-off and pick-up virtually anywhere. You can also create air lanes of travel over cities to keep them from flying over people's backyards and such. We already have that, to some extent, with airplanes. An engineer solves problems. Mr. Musk is acting more like a scientist in pessimistically declaring what is or is not so. An engineer makes it so.
I agree that it will create some air disturbance and can be quite serious if there are too many of them.
I mean, who can really argue with this guy? People who like to make fun of him aren't launching Rockets into space, you know..
Imagine if this Elon had told the younger Elon that VTOLs would be to loud to succeed…Younger Elon would just say “We will make them quieter…Yah” Older Elon what about the snow? Younger Elon We will reroute the battery coolant to heat sinks to warm affected equipment. Older Elon 🤷🏻♂️ What about things falling out of the sky??? Younger Elon that’s on you bro, it was your job to invent full self driving…😬
I like Elon, but something tells me that if he's not in on an innovation, then it won't work. All legit issues he brought, but it won't entirely scuttle the eVTOL air taxi use case, it just will reorient optimistic expectations held during the SPAC boom.
Odd 🤔
Didn’t he try to purchase Lilium (LILM)? And, they said no. Can someone please correct me with accuracy?
And, Lilium doesn’t use propellers / drone-like. Lilium uses jet power.
Gravity is not very forgiving. It either works or it doesn't. Not a whole lot inbetween.
does it really need explaining that the reason he is against it is because he knows his company wont be able to produce a safe enough vehicle to be allowed to sell it?
The black fly is really cool. I can see a future with them if people can entrust themselves to it. And of course they will.
Vtols or e-vtols are absolutly the future, just think of all the money beeing saved on not needing roads and maintaining them and how many less accidents especially with wild life there will be. The future looks bright, all we need is better batteries so we get some decent range and price but that will come with quantum computing in a few years.
Well he has a point but we will see how our human hunger to fly will finally put things in place.
You ask if we agree. But put a clown face on him on the end? Clearly you didn’t want a non biased opinion , just the answer you wanted to hear
What opinion exists that isnt biased ? He gave his and you still clearly gave yours. And elon also gave his . All opinions with bias . You missed the elon being biased part went straight over your head thats why the authors opinion is what it is and your is what yours is .
Clearly
So he said the price should go up really high So it can only be access by very few people or have cars that don't use propeller and stable with that. I bet it using only electricity or magnetic field from under the earth .
But Dogecoin is a genius investment
Except the JOBY S4 eVTOL is 100 times quieter than a conventional helicopter. Also, like Tesla cars, there are far fewer moving parts and far less maintenance costs involved. And the upfront cost of building the vehicle at scale will be much lower. From recent business decisions he’s made, I think Musk has totally lost it.
can it lift the weight of a human for 5 minutes? there is no evidence it can.
I love it when idiots can't just disagree with a person. Instead they have to claim that he's actually crazy.
Rain snow and sleet high-wind SpaceX can't launch a rocket don't make sense Mr elon
Joby’s challenge hasn’t even started. Making a prototype vehicle that flies is not too hard. Making it safe to operate all the time is a totally different story.
@@frankyflowersVolocopter and Lilium for example can - can’t you imagine a smaller, less noisy helicopter?
Interesting that Elon hasn't figured out noise cancellation for drone motors similar to noise cancelling headphones. He'll figure it out someday (there's a patent out there).
Wait....isnt this the same guy building robots & putting chips in human brains?! 🤦♂️
Am EVTOL seems like the perfect product fit for Tesla. But Elon opted for Boring tunnels. I'll guess we'll see whatbthe future holds.
this is the future it will definitely succeed
He turns around and creates one and beats you to the punch
We already have underground tunnels they are called subways.
Someone fix the issues please and thaaannnkkkyouuu
The noise will be less than 50% of a standard helo.
Everyone remembers him mocking BYD
Now, I like the idea of an entity autonomously walking to locations but now we've got all these artificially programmed aluminum/sheet metal entities which are spiritually noisy on the cognitive baseline operating plane and so like...
If helicopters were sufficient then you wouldn’t have the interest in the VTols. Maybe the Vtols would be less noisy etc if they were better utilized. Maybe sitting too long in a garage causes the loudness. And maybe traveling far and away more often would possibly help. I think that’s the name of a movie about Canada Geese. I love those. I am sure I could think of how to improve your VTOLs but I’d prob have to have more info on them. If you would like my two cents on these, I would be happy to. You can pay me in the normal ways plus I love your water bottles. I was promised one already by someone in your mt kisco location….
If the man that changed the world for the better says it’s shite , i believe him😊
He's wrong and on this, number one is that helicopters are not practical for inner city commute
Not to mention, there are noise reduction technology, what it is is, he doesn't want anything to interfere with his Tesla cars..
He’s correct… As a GA pilot, I’ve already lost a prop and had a wing damaged by a 13 year old kid flying drones, I could have been killed or killed someone’s family. I hate drones with a passion, should be illegal. I can’t imagine a time when these noisy ass machines are buzzing 24/7. Hard pass……
Astute remarks - Robinson Helicopters did it right - they took a proven design, integrated a battery, and their solution has better range, safety margins, etc than ANY of the "new" very similar eVTOL's that are prone to many problems to include far increased Vortex Ring State of their rotor systems.
He’s wrong. These are 45-55 decibels.
Sometimes, Elon is just incorrect. It happens. It's called being human. 😊 Personally, although I like Tesla's cars, I am not a huge fan of the front end styling. I think that the model three and y could have some different bumper cover options from the factory. Would only be a minor change in pricing, but all of the cars wouldn't be an ugly carbon copy of one another.Just my opinion.
he is gutted he did mot go that way, like he dissed Hydrogen engines, then 9 months later said he was making a hydrogen Tesla.
When did he say this? can you help to point out the source of the video or which interview he did ?
ruclips.net/video/2cNLh1gfQIk/видео.html&ab_channel=FinancialTimes at around Min 32
Battery Technology is too old, improve energy storage and maybe, but right now, we are not there yet, maybe in 50 more years.
People can barely operate cars in 2D. Flying is like 3D. The amount of fui landing in trees, hitting power lines, landing on rooftops, crashing into other vtols. The licensing system would have to be an aviation license at least.
So the commercial aeroplanes don't make noise at all?