@@joshsheridan9511 So what? I think the point is that lust is natural. I'm perplexed by that comment. What was the use of pointing out humans have a justice system? That has nothing to do with the topic.
@@davidbelway6076 my comment was a response to the caller, do you think he included animals in his thoughts. I actually didn't see any reason for your original response to me.
@@davidbelway6076 I suspect *all* emotions and feelings we have as humans are shared with various animal species. Our brain is not that special. We may have specialized a tidbit in some of the cognitive domain, but the general blueprint remains analogous.
Actually that's a Southern Baptist thing. Former Governor Mike Huckabee, defending Josh Duggar, posted on his own Facebook account that incest and child molestation are a normal part of growing up in Bible Belt states. Huckabee would later delete that post, but not before it was forwarded and screen-captured all over the place. Also not a coincidence that Bible Belt states also have the highest rates of teenage pregnancy in the U.S.
A lot of theists are entirely ignorant of moral understanding because they have been taught not to think about it but just obey. It would nice if they at least took a moment to consider another perspective.
Really? Is that why the divorce rate is higher in the USA than it is in the UK, Germany and Scandinavia....all of which are more secular and atheistic?
Yep, the data is very clear. The more fundamentalist the theist the higher the divorce rate becomes!! Atheist's have a much lower divorce rate than theists.
People in religious countries especially young couples will get married quickly because they're horny basically and they want to have sex so they get married ASAP Whereas people that are more secular and better educated in sex health, family planning etc will date for a while, have sex, spend time together to find out whether they are sexually compatible and they work and compliment each other as a couple. They also might not even get married and spend years together in a commited relationship. If they do spilt up, there was no marriage, no divorce. No record of either plus they save money by not paying for a wedding and a divorce
@@theforgottenbook7775 That is how salvation and exonerating someone from being accountable under cuts a large part of importance/significance of the argument from objective morality.
As long as you are truly sorry all is forgiven. Now, that doesn't change the damage in any way. But, apparently, with religion it's all about the antagonists and not the victims. In fact, the victims are supposed to forgive the antagonists.
Ahhhh...of course, it's Mark from the Austin Stone Church, calling in under one of his many aliases. Some say he was an atheist pretending to be a ridiculous theist the whole time. But without evidence, it's just a rumor. I mean, can you imagine him playing this character for 8 years just to pull a "gotcha" at the end? Sounds like the world's longest and least exciting prank. I don't buy it.
@@lumpheadthump "Thought crimes are not....(impossible)" Except for some countries where having certain religious beliefs is punishable, where is it the case that thought crimes are punishable? In fact even in those countries, it's not really the thought that is punished, but saying/doing something about it. How would anyone even know what someone is thinking?
Yes it's horrible how so many atheist Communists are being controlled and manipulated. According to statistics from a Pew research report a member of the lgbtq community is 3 times more likely to be an atheist The things that atheistic humanist parents are doing to their children because of their gender phase is horrific everything from sexualizing them to mutilating them. We've never seen an outbreak of children committing suicide and mental illness amongst children as we see today in this atheist humanist community.
This is the same person - with a very distinctive voice - who called in dozens of times giving different names. And he always talked ill-thought-out, naive bollocks.
Apparently Daft Jimdith Dingleberry, thinks emapthy and well being are bad things to base morality around. He thinks you should base it on some nebulous moral nature of a god thingy.
Everyone with a normal sex drive has lust in their heart. It's a perfectly normal human feeling, and if we didn't have it, then our species would have died out a long time ago.
The heart is a muscle that pumps blood. Lust exists in your brain, as do all emotions. There's nothing wrong with lust, the wrong is in not having self-control.
This is one of the best episodes I have listened to, and highlighted the irrationality of basing moral belief on the Bible. In Australia a royal commission into institutional child abuse was held...it cost over A$50 . To hear the horrors inflicted on children by priests and laity ( not only Catholic) showed religion has no moral high ground to live by.
The best thing to come out of the Australia's Royal Commission into child sexual abuse, which ended in 2017 was The Australian National Redress Scheme, to help people who have experienced institutional child sexual abuse.
I'm a former Christian and one who studied the bible, who became an atheist 25 years ago because I realized the backwards philosophy of Christianity and how ultimately it is totally immoral, not to mention Ludacris!
"I think you are happier when you have limits to what you can do"... 🤨 Do they ever listen to themselves? Sure, you keep having fun with your boring life. Don't try to force me to have a boring life, just bc you want your life to be limited.
I keep hearing the atheist humanist argue you don't need God to be moral.. first of all they haven't proven that because they haven't proven that God didn't create a moral conscience but that aside look at the results of atheistic humanism. Atheistic humanist governments have killed more of their own citizens in the last century than all of the civilizations combined since written word and that doesn't even include the countless forced abortions on women living under acoustic humanist China. Outside of atheistic governments AKA Communist governments where approximately 90% of the world's atheist come from forced into atheism the next largest representation for atheism is the LGBT community. The community has the highest rate of AIDS the highest rate of mental illness and suicide. The highest rate of drug users. The highest rate of people who are most likely to be victims and or victimizes of both child and adult rape. Not even atheist humanist want to live under what atheistic humanist created they choose to live on the what Christians created which is modern Western civilization.
@tonyclements1147 well, the idea that atheists would love a RELIGIOUS archaic ritual is new. I'm waiting for him to say that atheism is the belief that there's a god, just not the one specific Christian God that he thinks is real.
@@queuecee is it not true that approximately 75% of people who identify as Jewish identify as atheist? And do they not practice a ritual called metzitzah after circumcision. Which it's not only a ritual that's child molestation but it leads to the deaths of many little boys due to complications due to herpes and I've asked you quite a few times to denounce this practice and you refused to do so Will you denounce it now..
@@AtheistsLoveMetzitzahDo you agree with Jimedith, then, that 'God makes it wrong' is the ONLY reason to think that any action is immoral? Let's begin there.
Dishonest calls are still amenable to the Socratic Method. Moreover, sincere religious callers often reveal themselves to be deeply dishonest. It goes with the territory, and is a fascinating psychological dimension to religious belief.
@@Caphiasas-sf6ct canadian catholic was the troll that use different voices he also talk about some inner circle atheism thing and say he is one step ahead of the host.
Why are you Christian and not Hindu or Buddhist? Because that’s the story I was told growing up. I’m continually shocked how people don’t realize that religion is culture based and stories just passed down
The statistic across all government operated prisons in the US, says that about 6% of inmates do not claim affiliation to any religion. The number of non christian inmates is around 9% of the population, which leaves 85% of prisoners being christian. Of course there are some potential perks in prison for those who claim to be christian, parole boards are heavily influenced by christians, so a mass murderer who admitted killing 1,000 people but is now saved, is more likely to get paroled than a unrepentant satanist with 3 unpaid parking fines, so it's difficult to be exact. Then of course there's the indoctrination factor, if you're used to being told you're a christian, most never consider they're anything else, so when asked you answer "I'm a christian". There might be some sarcasm in this reply.
Been counting for 174 days and still nobody has been able to provide any convincing reason to believe in the existence of any god, gods, souls, sin, any form of afterlife or other divine or supernatural beings.
The imposition on our ways of thinking in the way that this verse about adultery and lust attempts to do is actually the direct cause of many of the problems in Christian organisations and churches, and in direct opposition to a solution. People who are forced to suppress their feelings in this way do so in a way that then manifests itself into guilt. There’s then guilt for absolutely no reason, and this can lead to all sorts of unintended consequences. One of these is that the individual has no way of relieving natural urges, and doesn’t understand how to deal with them. They may then go onto become sexual predators, pedophiles, rapists, child abusers, and even mass murderers (sexual repression in mass murderers is an acknowledged phenomenon). Just look what happens in the Catholic Church because priests are required to remain celibate.
There is a reason Proverbs 22:6 exists. "Train up your child in the way he should go; even when he is old, he will not depart from it." The whole point is that you hammer a set of religious ideas into someone to the point that it is nigh impossible to release yourself from its shackles -- the very definition of indoctrination.
That oh-oh moment when an atheist immediately recalls the verse you referred to. I like all episodes with Dr. Ray. Especially that episode where a guy opened up about religious shame repressing his sexual urges, which led to a self-feeding cycle of unhealthy amounts of masturbation and then shame. And Dr. Ray replied that it’s completely natural and happens often. That was not the answer I was expecting, I thought he would chastise religion for that. Just shows that he is a good psychologist. He immediately went to helping out mode.
Yea if it wasn't FOR LUST there'd be no human population. So how can this god decide that lust is a sin when you kind of need lust for humans to exist? And I'm pretty sure the Christian god wants humans to exist. I mean am I tripping here? Because if I am, can someone please explain how lust being a sin makes sense if it does. (That's not sarcasm either)
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I know this video is *many years* old, but I still want to point out that Japan, Sweden and Denmark all have a rape problem. There's not a country on earth that doesn't. Some countries may have astonishingly low rates of rape, simply because non-consensual sex within marriage doesn't count as rape there, or because rape isn't even a legal term. In Sweden, there was a spike of reported rapes once literally every single instance of non-consensual sexual act was considered as rape. I think it's important to be aware of that.
He cannot say 100 percent that Hitler on his deathbed was not converted.Or for that matter mao or stalin.His imagined paradise could be full of some real obnoxious people whos sinsmeans nothing as saved.
One could surmise this entire terrifying call as "Christian attempting to fathom two consenting adults willingly having sex." Not a concept many of them are familiar with. I've never * * * * * anyone. I wouldn't want to! Whenever I hear people's experiences with SA it makes me furious, because I have an ability to empathise with other people, it hurts to hear about other people's trauma and my moral framework is largely built around minimising people's trauma. I don't need to call my lack of a desire to * * * * someone as a "limit" - I don't want to do it _because_ I believe it's wrong to do that to anyone. I don't need the fear of either legal repercussions or a make-believe deity to enforce my values in regard to SA.
Well, the context is dealing with divorce. Therefore, one should stick to the context. One marries because of lust, except one is born a eunuch. Lust itself in not bad, in fact, it could be the strong driving force of motivation to achieve one’s goal, unless one goes beyond the limits of the law. It should be noted the Lord Jesus is introducing a new law or a New Testament. It is the problem of one’s thoughts where lust is conceived projected to physical acts. One should deal with the thoughts the root-cause of the problem, this is the reason why the thing called sin is a great deceiver, and no one is immune whether a theist or an atheist.
The only situation where lust might be considered wrong is if two people (a married couple for example) have an agreement/understanding that they will not actively dwell on someone else's (other than their mate/spouse) sexual attributes/attractiveness and become overly enamored with someone else sexually. That could be tantamount to breaking an agreement. But if there is no such agreement or if it's just a single person thinking things and not acting on them, then how/why should it be wrong? One could think Jesus was a nut and overly occupied with other's sexual desires. Perhaps he was jealous because he wasn't getting any. Actually those and other words are likely not 'of' for 'from' a specific person named Jesus but were likely scripted to convince others of one's POV and acting as if Jesus said it.
I'm always taken aback a little when a man of my age says he's "been an atheist for twenty years"; or something similar. Pretty much every one I know has been an atheist since childhood.
@@revwillyg6450 I've been to the American South and there are a lot of churches. We have just as many, though they tend not to look like a white painted garage with a mail order spire stuck on top. Congregations are now so low in the UK that many, many churches are used as bars or other places of entertainment. They are always in easily accessible places, which works, and they are usually very attractive - there's a stunning and unusual Baroque church in my home town that's used as a bar/nightclub along with several more typical gothic churches (real gothic and Victorian gothic). A local beer festival is held in a 1000 year old Saxon church. Churches are, however, very expensive to heat and maintain. Three hundred year old buildings must be preserved by law which means highly paid heritage stonemasons and roofers.
I feel bad for Andrew from Austin. He seems like he’s trying his best. I’ve heard him before, and I think you guys have made some sense to him. He’s just been indoctrinated since birth, and it’s super hard to break that cycle for someone like him.
Jesus could’ve easily said “if you look upon anyone with lust, you have already committed adultery”. Sounds to me that Jesus had to give himself an out, if you know what I mean.
7:25 "When did you choose to be a Christian?" I remember having a very similar conversation with my mother, the self-appointed religious arbiter of the household. There was some kind of religious gathering at our house, and some younger folks were in attendance. I don't think she knew them or their parents personally. I asked her if anyone asked them if they wanted to be a Hindu. But she just blindly and without foundation, asserted that they were "ordained" or something. Couldn't answer the simplest question without resorting to BS.
Lust is a normal human emotion.
Lust isn't the problem, lack of self-control is the problem.
Lust is an animal emotion, not just humans, It's necessary for the very existence of life.
@@davidbelway6076true, but we don't hold the rest of the animal kingdom to human standards.
@@joshsheridan9511 So what? I think the point is that lust is natural. I'm perplexed by that comment. What was the use of pointing out humans have a justice system? That has nothing to do with the topic.
@@davidbelway6076 my comment was a response to the caller, do you think he included animals in his thoughts.
I actually didn't see any reason for your original response to me.
@@davidbelway6076 I suspect *all* emotions and feelings we have as humans are shared with various animal species. Our brain is not that special. We may have specialized a tidbit in some of the cognitive domain, but the general blueprint remains analogous.
"Otherwise everyone would just be raping everyone."
His assumptions escalate rather quickly.
Telling on himself..
He's BARELY keeping it together, if that's what he's thinking.
@@queuecee Yup.. scary. That guy seriously needs Jebus.
Actually that's a Southern Baptist thing. Former Governor Mike Huckabee, defending Josh Duggar, posted on his own Facebook account that incest and child molestation are a normal part of growing up in Bible Belt states. Huckabee would later delete that post, but not before it was forwarded and screen-captured all over the place.
Also not a coincidence that Bible Belt states also have the highest rates of teenage pregnancy in the U.S.
@@christasimon9716 OMG. When was that?
A lot of theists are entirely ignorant of moral understanding because they have been taught not to think about it but just obey. It would nice if they at least took a moment to consider another perspective.
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This is one of the best examples which demonstrate that religion is immoral.
The Bible is a very weak place to start with any argument
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Well according to my book bears love porridge so that's what we'll be feeding them.
It’s a good argument against morality derived from religion
I'm a former Christian who began studying the Bible and then became an atheist 25 years ago
It is Bronze Age sex manual
Like Forrest Valkai said
Say it with me, kids: HEARTS 👏 PUMP 👏 BLOOD 👏.
Cause it's your heart, it's alive
It's pumpin' blood
And it's your heart, it's alive
It's pumpin' blood
And the whole wide world is whistling
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@@queueceeAh, hadn't pegged you for a fan of NoNoNo.
It never fails to amaze me the kind of brain-rot that religion can descend upon people.
Iz gawd a ultimate virus az a idea actually?? 🤨🤔
It helps when they're indoctrinated as young as possible.
Really? Is that why the divorce rate is higher in the USA than it is in the UK, Germany and Scandinavia....all of which are more secular and atheistic?
Yep, the data is very clear. The more fundamentalist the theist the higher the divorce rate becomes!! Atheist's have a much lower divorce rate than theists.
People in religious countries especially young couples will get married quickly because they're horny basically and they want to have sex so they get married ASAP
Whereas people that are more secular and better educated in sex health, family planning etc will date for a while, have sex, spend time together to find out whether they are sexually compatible and they work and compliment each other as a couple. They also might not even get married and spend years together in a commited relationship. If they do spilt up, there was no marriage, no divorce. No record of either plus they save money by not paying for a wedding and a divorce
The Catholic church is most offended that it's not rated higher in the Lust league.
Just like almighty gawd. Izn't gawd da real devil for ultimate power and ego??
@@mistylover7398 The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was to convince the world he was the bad guy and Jehovah was the goodie.
@@alfresco8442 🤨 wha.
@@alfresco8442 i thought it was he never existed, The usual Suspects
@@Caphiasas-sf6ct Paraphrase
So basically, you can do whatever you want to, no matter how evil it is, as long as you say sorry afterwards?
That's the thick and thin of Christianity.
And that guy has the nerves to think he has the moral high ground
@@theforgottenbook7775 That is how salvation and exonerating someone from being accountable under cuts a large part of importance/significance of the argument from objective morality.
According to Christianity you can when we all know that doesn't apply to reality.
As long as you are truly sorry all is forgiven. Now, that doesn't change the damage in any way. But, apparently, with religion it's all about the antagonists and not the victims. In fact, the victims are supposed to forgive the antagonists.
Ahhhh...of course, it's Mark from the Austin Stone Church, calling in under one of his many aliases. Some say he was an atheist pretending to be a ridiculous theist the whole time. But without evidence, it's just a rumor. I mean, can you imagine him playing this character for 8 years just to pull a "gotcha" at the end? Sounds like the world's longest and least exciting prank. I don't buy it.
He eventually admitted to being a troll
@@joshsheridan9511you didn't comprehend my comment at all.
@@Mr_Porter yes I did, but it's not just Mark's word for it.
The pastor of the church confirmed that Mark was never a member of his congregation
never got a gotcha though did he ?
How could anyone think pretending to be an ignorant smooth-brain is funny? Like, what's the punchline? All it does is waste everyone's time.
Mind control was a bad argument. It’s closer to thought crime.
its both
@@dumb-old-trump Not really. Mind control and thought crime are very different. Mind control is impossible. Thought crimes are not.
@@lumpheadthump "Thought crimes are not....(impossible)"
Except for some countries where having certain religious beliefs is punishable, where is it the case that thought crimes are punishable? In fact even in those countries, it's not really the thought that is punished, but saying/doing something about it. How would anyone even know what someone is thinking?
Yes it's horrible how so many atheist Communists are being controlled and manipulated.
According to statistics from a Pew research report a member of the lgbtq community is 3 times more likely to be an atheist
The things that atheistic humanist parents are doing to their children because of their gender phase is horrific everything from sexualizing them to mutilating them.
We've never seen an outbreak of children committing suicide and mental illness amongst children as we see today in this atheist humanist community.
@@rizdekd3912 Show me where I said thought crimes are impossible. You just confirmed what I said.
This is the same person - with a very distinctive voice - who called in dozens of times giving different names. And he always talked ill-thought-out, naive bollocks.
Apparently Daft Jimdith Dingleberry, thinks emapthy and well being are bad things to base morality around.
He thinks you should base it on some nebulous moral nature of a god thingy.
'Thinks'
Moral nature that he can't articulate.
@@amtlpaul Damn, but I can't think of a word for what Jim does instead of thinking.
@@queuecee that's what happens when someone mindlessly spouts apologist slogans.
I'm christian and have lust in my heart as well as my friends at church and also the Pastor as he has been married 4 times
Everyone with a normal sex drive has lust in their heart. It's a perfectly normal human feeling, and if we didn't have it, then our species would have died out a long time ago.
Well said
The heart is a muscle that pumps blood. Lust exists in your brain, as do all emotions. There's nothing wrong with lust, the wrong is in not having self-control.
This is one of the best episodes I have listened to, and highlighted the irrationality of basing moral belief on the Bible. In Australia a royal commission into institutional child abuse was held...it cost over A$50 . To hear the horrors inflicted on children by priests and laity ( not only Catholic) showed religion has no moral high ground to live by.
The best thing to come out of the Australia's Royal Commission into child sexual abuse, which ended in 2017 was The Australian National Redress Scheme, to help people who have experienced institutional child sexual abuse.
He was brought up with christianity as a tradition AKA indoctrination.
Apparently he thought that parodying what Christians say would help out the show.
I'm a former Christian and one who studied the bible, who became an atheist 25 years ago because I realized the backwards philosophy of Christianity and how ultimately it is totally immoral, not to mention Ludacris!
Really?? What did being a "Christian" mean to you when you were one?
@@Woreyel Really! The No True Christian Fallacy, that's your ace in the hole. Please stop embarrassing yourself, you come across as a complete fool😊
@@Woreyel good question
@@Woreyel Maybe fulfilling John 14:12?
Just, possibly.
"I think you are happier when you have limits to what you can do"... 🤨 Do they ever listen to themselves? Sure, you keep having fun with your boring life. Don't try to force me to have a boring life, just bc you want your life to be limited.
Yet again, Jimedith declares that the ONLY reason to think that anything is morally wrong is, "God makes it wrong."
I keep hearing the atheist humanist argue you don't need God to be moral.. first of all they haven't proven that because they haven't proven that God didn't create a moral conscience but that aside look at the results of atheistic humanism.
Atheistic humanist governments have killed more of their own citizens in the last century than all of the civilizations combined since written word and that doesn't even include the countless forced abortions on women living under acoustic humanist China.
Outside of atheistic governments AKA Communist governments where approximately 90% of the world's atheist come from forced into atheism the next largest representation for atheism is the LGBT community.
The community has the highest rate of AIDS the highest rate of mental illness and suicide. The highest rate of drug users. The highest rate of people who are most likely to be victims and or victimizes of both child and adult rape.
Not even atheist humanist want to live under what atheistic humanist created they choose to live on the what Christians created which is modern Western civilization.
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You have no new argument do you? Still the same useless crap for the last several years..
@tonyclements1147 well, the idea that atheists would love a RELIGIOUS archaic ritual is new. I'm waiting for him to say that atheism is the belief that there's a god, just not the one specific Christian God that he thinks is real.
@@queuecee is it not true that approximately 75% of people who identify as Jewish identify as atheist?
And do they not practice a ritual called metzitzah after circumcision.
Which it's not only a ritual that's child molestation but it leads to the deaths of many little boys due to complications due to herpes and I've asked you quite a few times to denounce this practice and you refused to do so
Will you denounce it now..
@@AtheistsLoveMetzitzahDo you agree with Jimedith, then, that 'God makes it wrong' is the ONLY reason to think that any action is immoral? Let's begin there.
If you think its only in my heart, boy, do I have a surprise for you.
Saddest thing was that this guy was a troll. He wasted all that time that could have been reserved to legitimate callers.
Gave the hosts a golden opportunity to eviscerate the argument though 😀
That's why it's frustrating that they repost clips with him, because he was not a sincere legitimate caller.
I always liked when they handle troll calls like any other.
Bad logic is bad logic no matter what the caller’s intentions were.
How do you know that he was trolling?
Dishonest calls are still amenable to the Socratic Method.
Moreover, sincere religious callers often reveal themselves to be deeply dishonest. It goes with the territory, and is a fascinating psychological dimension to religious belief.
That's not where I keep my lust, just sayin'
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I keep mine next to my car keys.
You instantly know Mark's voice :D I can't believe this guy called even with fake voices.
fake voices, i think thats the other guy who always asks ' why don't you believe on faith ' a Canadian
you should check out when he firsr rang in, Jeff tore him a new one
@@Caphiasas-sf6ctCanadian catholic
@@Jasoframptonyt not sure, i don't think so
@@Caphiasas-sf6ct canadian catholic was the troll that use different voices he also talk about some inner circle atheism thing and say he is one step ahead of the host.
Why are you Christian and not Hindu or Buddhist?
Because that’s the story I was told growing up.
I’m continually shocked how people don’t realize that religion is culture based and stories just passed down
I have dust in my farts. Does that count?
How many atheist do you have incarcerated in your state or federal prison compared to the religious believers locked up in those prisons?
The statistic across all government operated prisons in the US, says that about 6% of inmates do not claim affiliation to any religion. The number of non christian inmates is around 9% of the population, which leaves 85% of prisoners being christian.
Of course there are some potential perks in prison for those who claim to be christian, parole boards are heavily influenced by christians, so a mass murderer who admitted killing 1,000 people but is now saved, is more likely to get paroled than a unrepentant satanist with 3 unpaid parking fines, so it's difficult to be exact. Then of course there's the indoctrination factor, if you're used to being told you're a christian, most never consider they're anything else, so when asked you answer "I'm a christian".
There might be some sarcasm in this reply.
Apparently, Andrew is unaware that rape and murder are illegal. No need for the Bible to ban them too.
Been counting for 174 days and still nobody has been able to provide any convincing reason to believe in the existence of any god, gods, souls, sin, any form of afterlife or other divine or supernatural beings.
Ask the caller if committing adultery should preclude a person from being President.
I don't think so. But if you are convicted of multiple felonies, especially for dishonesty or breaking campaign finance laws, that should do it.
The imposition on our ways of thinking in the way that this verse about adultery and lust attempts to do is actually the direct cause of many of the problems in Christian organisations and churches, and in direct opposition to a solution. People who are forced to suppress their feelings in this way do so in a way that then manifests itself into guilt. There’s then guilt for absolutely no reason, and this can lead to all sorts of unintended consequences. One of these is that the individual has no way of relieving natural urges, and doesn’t understand how to deal with them. They may then go onto become sexual predators, pedophiles, rapists, child abusers, and even mass murderers (sexual repression in mass murderers is an acknowledged phenomenon). Just look what happens in the Catholic Church because priests are required to remain celibate.
So, an atheist finding somebody attractive is sin / wrong, even if not acted on, but priests acting on underage people of the same sex...
I wonder if Mark, Andrew, whatever he calls himself today has woken up.
There is a reason Proverbs 22:6 exists. "Train up your child in the way he should go; even when he is old, he will not depart from it." The whole point is that you hammer a set of religious ideas into someone to the point that it is nigh impossible to release yourself from its shackles -- the very definition of indoctrination.
It is a little awkward that Samson in the Bible did just see women lusted after them and raped them and started wars he did it a few times
I just look at men, so I guess I’m saved.
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I'm an atheist and I'm ace/aro, so...
Poor guy is totally brainwashed🙃
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Saw the title and my first thought was "Well, duh."
That oh-oh moment when an atheist immediately recalls the verse you referred to.
I like all episodes with Dr. Ray. Especially that episode where a guy opened up about religious shame repressing his sexual urges, which led to a self-feeding cycle of unhealthy amounts of masturbation and then shame. And Dr. Ray replied that it’s completely natural and happens often. That was not the answer I was expecting, I thought he would chastise religion for that. Just shows that he is a good psychologist. He immediately went to helping out mode.
Caller thought he had a gotcha but got schooled instead.
Yea if it wasn't FOR LUST there'd be no human population. So how can this god decide that lust is a sin when you kind of need lust for humans to exist? And I'm pretty sure the Christian god wants humans to exist. I mean am I tripping here? Because if I am, can someone please explain how lust being a sin makes sense if it does. (That's not sarcasm either)
How dare a hypocrite tell atheist there heart lust.
That's Mark again. He has identity issues.
.....i've listened to a number of your calls. this guy was the simpleton extraordinaire!
It's Mark from the Austin stone church. He's made lots of great calls into the show.
Oh boy I love when they say: do you think that you're a genius and everyone else is dumb? 😂
I am an atheist, I have lust in my heart, I lust for peace, tolerance, justice and the end of ignorance and barbarous religions.
You might want to learn just what a heart is.
G r e a t one!
Thank God for creating, designing and implementing *LUST* into his/her creation.
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And a good Tuesday Morning 🌞 AXP Fans and Theists ❤❤❤
Peace Love Empathy From Australia 💪🤠☝️
I had a vision of Jesus coming back in 2014.
I should be in hell then. I have lusted all my life. Packing my suitcase.
If you don't lust, you'll rust, or burst? 🤔 If there was no lust, the species would probably die out for lack of motivation.
Great episode.
I know this video is *many years* old, but I still want to point out that Japan, Sweden and Denmark all have a rape problem. There's not a country on earth that doesn't. Some countries may have astonishingly low rates of rape, simply because non-consensual sex within marriage doesn't count as rape there, or because rape isn't even a legal term. In Sweden, there was a spike of reported rapes once literally every single instance of non-consensual sexual act was considered as rape.
I think it's important to be aware of that.
Are you saying rapists can't be saved? "" Uhhh. Err uuuhhh mm"
Classic brain malfunction when your world view gets vaporized
Thought crime. Even devout Christian Jimmy Carter confessed to it. 😅
"Lust" is in brains and gonads anyway. The heart just pumps blood.
He cannot say 100 percent that Hitler on his deathbed was not converted.Or for that matter mao or stalin.His imagined paradise could be full of some real obnoxious people whos sinsmeans nothing as saved.
Women walking by in sun dresses
Me looking respectfully
Mind control?????
The ignornace is so blissful
One could surmise this entire terrifying call as "Christian attempting to fathom two consenting adults willingly having sex." Not a concept many of them are familiar with.
I've never * * * * * anyone. I wouldn't want to! Whenever I hear people's experiences with SA it makes me furious, because I have an ability to empathise with other people, it hurts to hear about other people's trauma and my moral framework is largely built around minimising people's trauma. I don't need to call my lack of a desire to * * * * someone as a "limit" - I don't want to do it _because_ I believe it's wrong to do that to anyone. I don't need the fear of either legal repercussions or a make-believe deity to enforce my values in regard to SA.
Actually, the lust is in my pants, but it's totally under my control.
That's what the zipper is for.
The only things in my heart are stents.
New category, mushy Christian.
He knew nothing about his book.
Groomed by his parents but, paid attention to none of it except some cliche lines.
the caller should be talking to the catholic and southern baptists about this, not atheists.
One should read the Bible through, word for word. Not pick and choose.
Well, the context is dealing with divorce. Therefore, one should stick to the context. One marries because of lust, except one is born a eunuch. Lust itself in not bad, in fact, it could be the strong driving force of motivation to achieve one’s goal, unless one goes beyond the limits of the law. It should be noted the Lord Jesus is introducing a new law or a New Testament. It is the problem of one’s thoughts where lust is conceived projected to physical acts. One should deal with the thoughts the root-cause of the problem, this is the reason why the thing called sin is a great deceiver, and no one is immune whether a theist or an atheist.
I'm hoping Andrew can keep his religion - and anyone else who thinks they'd be rapists and murderers if not for their religion.
Wow, this call was 14 years ago. I suspect that Andrew is an atheist by now.
Aahhh, classic Andrew.
Apparently theres no asexual/aromantic atheists
Its' just a tradition - rest my case.
If thinking about having sex is just as much of a sin as actually having it, then consider: which is more fun?
Criminals in prison have a higher rate of religious belief than society in general.
This belief is extremely troubling
Wasn't Jesus the guy who went around the desert with his 12 men followers ? Don't tell me there was no spilling of seed !
Sometimes some people dont get it. A person can look at another person and think that person is hot and still dont do anything abourt it.
Yeah...and?
It’s wrong to murder so therefore you must never get angry about anything… is that the logic?
Christianity; the original Minority Report.
I wonder why Jesus added more conditions to enter heaven? It's as if Jesus doesn't want us to be saved.
We are all geniuses compared to andrew i feel sorry.for him
This caller is constantly moving the goal posts.
The only situation where lust might be considered wrong is if two people (a married couple for example) have an agreement/understanding that they will not actively dwell on someone else's (other than their mate/spouse) sexual attributes/attractiveness and become overly enamored with someone else sexually. That could be tantamount to breaking an agreement. But if there is no such agreement or if it's just a single person thinking things and not acting on them, then how/why should it be wrong? One could think Jesus was a nut and overly occupied with other's sexual desires. Perhaps he was jealous because he wasn't getting any.
Actually those and other words are likely not 'of' for 'from' a specific person named Jesus but were likely scripted to convince others of one's POV and acting as if Jesus said it.
He was a charismatic cult leader. He was drowning in it plenty. Just not mentioned.
Lust is the gift evolution gave us to proliferate our genes.
troll, i think?
I have blood in my heart his I think his is full of hate.
I must sin and have lust or else Jesus' sacrifice was in vain.
I'm always taken aback a little when a man of my age says he's "been an atheist for twenty years"; or something similar. Pretty much every one I know has been an atheist since childhood.
I take it you're not from the south. It's taken me a lifetime just to collect some atheist friends
@@revwillyg6450 I'm British and work in technology, I'm always surprised when I meet a believer.
@@davidmorgan6896 sounds great! Lol. Where I come from there's almost more churches than people I swear 🤦♂️
@@revwillyg6450 I've been to the American South and there are a lot of churches. We have just as many, though they tend not to look like a white painted garage with a mail order spire stuck on top. Congregations are now so low in the UK that many, many churches are used as bars or other places of entertainment. They are always in easily accessible places, which works, and they are usually very attractive - there's a stunning and unusual Baroque church in my home town that's used as a bar/nightclub along with several more typical gothic churches (real gothic and Victorian gothic). A local beer festival is held in a 1000 year old Saxon church. Churches are, however, very expensive to heat and maintain. Three hundred year old buildings must be preserved by law which means highly paid heritage stonemasons and roofers.
The compilation of this caller is great.
I disagree since he's a known fake caller
I feel bad for Andrew from Austin. He seems like he’s trying his best. I’ve heard him before, and I think you guys have made some sense to him. He’s just been indoctrinated since birth, and it’s super hard to break that cycle for someone like him.
Too bad he was a troll that would call under fake names.
Batman has no limits
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I think Jesus wasnt fussed about women if you catch my drift, he wandered about for years, with guys , slerping outside , hanging out.
Jesus could’ve easily said “if you look upon anyone with lust, you have already committed adultery”.
Sounds to me that Jesus had to give himself an out, if you know what I mean.
7:25 "When did you choose to be a Christian?"
I remember having a very similar conversation with my mother, the self-appointed religious arbiter of the household. There was some kind of religious gathering at our house, and some younger folks were in attendance. I don't think she knew them or their parents personally. I asked her if anyone asked them if they wanted to be a Hindu. But she just blindly and without foundation, asserted that they were "ordained" or something. Couldn't answer the simplest question without resorting to BS.
2:18 ; 3:19 ; 3:46
Another leap like jumping across the Grand Canyon 🙄
wow! Andrew's ability to run down a rabbit hole of bull shit is impressive!
Sounds like that Mark guy, pretending to be someone else.
Every accusation is a confession.