What do you think about different mix like, straw pellets + soybean pellets 80/20 ratio with only boiling water? Or is it still would be better to use hardwood instead of straw? Autoclaves is very expensive tho. And what is your opinion as a start commercial growing, laminar flowhood is necessary?
Master mix is expensive... use 80% hardwood pellets and 20 wheat bran since hardwood is only 6$ for 50 lb bag while wheat and soy hulls are around 30$ per 40lb bag using wheat you only need to use 20% which will save you money!!!$$$ also recommend whole oats for mushroom grow
Do you soak your soy hull pellets at all before adding to the bag, or do you add those along with hardwood pellets and water? I've seen it both ways, but have been a long time lurker on your page and have come to trust your judgement on a lot.
As an American, I wholeheartedly agree that our units system is complete garbage. Like why did we change it when the preexisting one just makes way more sense
Pellet fuel(4x) and soy hull pellets(10x) is very expensive my country, i cant do that. wheat straw (1x) and wheat pulp(2x) are cheap. I guess it will work. 1x = 0.2$ kg. It may not be expensive for you, but the dollar in the country is very expensive. Oyster mushroom price in the public market bazaar 2 $ kg. Weekly 50kg, monthly 200kg mushroom total 1kg=2$ x 200 = 400$. Up to the lowest minimum wage in the country, monthly 381$. group of workers cannot get more than this wage monthly 381$. So I build a mushroom farm that will make $ 350-400 a month, rather than be someone else's slave, rather than be someone else's slave, errand or slog away. Employers give who work here with a monthly salary of $ 381. Employers think of themselves as master, god, elite. They treat you like a poor, despicable person or scum. If you are not employed by a government agency, private companies and workers work at least 10 to 18 hours a day, and most of them do not even provide social security and do not pay a part of such a low wage.
What temperature is the water you put in the bag? How long do you leave it in there? (overnight) What exact time? When you put it in the pressure cooker, do you seal the bag first? And how long exactly? There's a big difference between 45 minutes and 2 hours (for a bag containing 1kg of oak and 1kg of soy). How much time?
Hi. Is there any preferred wood type for blue oyster.? Because when I tried growing it on hardwood sawdust. , they failed to colonise. But on straw they are good. Im from India and we can't find those hardwood species that u usually recommend
I know this was made a while ago now, but the oystermushroom bag you showed that had fruited, do you remmber what the ratio of spawn would have been?? and what is your grain of choice now and what was it on this video?
Hello, i really like your videos, i have a question , the master mix bags, can it be sterilised at low pressure in a steam tank? Thanks for the time and effort to reply :) and how much time and how much temperature ? Almost thanks
Also, why not make a box around your blower fan with a pre filter? The pre filter will filter out some of the shite before you fan pushes it through the HEPA. Will increase the life of your HEPAs and it's far cheaper to replace the pre filters. ;)
There is a pre filter, it's mounted inside the box right before the hepa. You just cant see it :D My shiitake mix is usually 80% hard wood with 20% bran, although I am going to drop down to 15% bran soon as I am getting a lot of mutations.
Hey man nice work! So much simpler than others I've watched. Is it soy hill pellets or ground soy hulls? To add on to your country list below Canada says hello!
Any observations on the size of the 2nd flush as compared to a standard substrate? I’ve read the Master’s yields heavily with the 1st flush but with a greatly reduced 2nd flush.
I’ve seen in many Master’s Mix recipes calling for 50/50 hardwood to soy hull pellets with 60% water by weight. If I’m doing my math right (and I might not be), it looks like you’re using almost 55% water by weight . Is that correct? If so, do you see much difference in the 5% discrepancy?
Yes hes using 55%! I have tried with 60% water and it didnt work well, so this time im going to try with 55%..... mycelium stop growing with 60% water.
So you do 54,5% water? Or are you acouting for the moister in the pellets? I just do 3lt, 2kg. Works great for me. It's just easier, a 6lt makes for 2 batches. No scale needed.
I noticed that your third bag (the one ready to begin fruiting) doesn't look as 'white' as the bag with the blue oyster fruit body on it. Is the optimum time to fruit when the mycelium has only just taken hold of the whole substrate, or when it's thick and firm (and white)? Also, how the hell do you mix the spawn through the bag without making a mess, I swear it's impossible to not get it on the filter patch!
I fruit almost the day it finishes colonising, the reason I do this is that it will start pinning in the bag a day or two after colonisation has finished. I like to stay ahead of the pinning and try to get it to pin where I cut the hole in the bag. I'm not sure why they pin in the bag so heavily, perhaps it's because I use the 5 micron filter patches. That other bag at the back is also Phoenix oyster, and the bag with the fruits is blue oyster, so the mycelium could look a little different.
Again, a detailed video with some good fun humor, thank you :) Silly question from a noobi, have you tried LC directly into your substrate without going through grain spawn? have you considered that at any point?
Using LC straight into substrate works fine in my experience. However Turning your container/s of LC into grain spawn means you can inoculate more substrate with the same amount of starting culture :)
Great work! What is spawn ratio for 1 substrate bag ? 1 l of spawn or less ? And my idea is to put colonized wooden stick 20 cm long in the middle (that I do for my oyster grain spawn--put colonized stick in middle of grain bag) and hopes that bag will colonize. But how mush grain spawn you put in ?
Btw, I have watched your videos on the the sterilizer drum. Probably not all of them. Is that a bubas barrel's unit or did you source a a local stainless barrel. I have an autoclave but I'm, considering buildin't one like yours using a regular metal barrel like the first one you built. Do you think it's worth it or does it rust way too fast?
We don't have bubba's barrels here in New Zealand, so I just sourced a couple stainless barrels. I am looking for a plain old steel barrel now to increase production. The cost of stainless barrels is huge, and you can get a steel barrel for around $10, so steel is worth it even if you go through a couple each year. Just make sure you get one that's help food stuffs, not chemicals!
@@OakandSpore Yes, That's exactly what I'm thinking. Regular barrels are just too cheap in comparisson. Have you seen/consider Brian Callow's setup from What the Fungus? He has huge poly totes (designed for fruit harvesting I believe) and a steamer running steam through several of them. Andrew from Mossy Creek also has a big setup.
Yes I have seen Brain Callows, I looked at doing that but my research showed HDPE sometimes cant handle the heat, and plus I like to wheel my barrels into the clean room after they have sterilised so I open them into a clean atmosphere. I believe Brain Callow transports his from the sterilisers to his clean room, which can be a vector for contamination.
The two steel drums i have been using has lasted me so far a year. The one getting a little rusty, i am going to go and have the inside sand blasted and then paint it with stove paint. Yes steel barrels are the way to go and you can build an insert for them for around $40. Go to a beer distributer and buy an empty keg or a full one and have a cookout and then fabricate an insert out of it.
Have you ever considered using cracked corn, for chickens, as a substrate substitute for soy hulls? Here in the Midwest, US, a 50 pound bag from the local feed lot sells for $10.00. Tx
brothaman thank you for the info! I have a quick question if you don't mind before I embark on my first grow. I was able to score these huge bags of hardwood sawdust (little bit of softwood in there as well) so it's not in pelleted form. Does this change anything with the ratios? Or could I still do 50/50 sawdust to soy hulls. I'm still trying to find some soy hulls .. but I will track some down no doubt. Love the channel and those mushrooms look perfect!
I am unsure if the 50/50 masters mix is better done by volume or weight. If you are using loose sawdust I would do it by weight. I do it by weight for my bags.
My understanding is when it’s fully colonized and starts to pin it’s ready for fruiting. Cut X’s down your bag at 6 and 9 o’clock. Not sure how much the cutting at precise locations matters, but someone did a study at says it helps. Who knows.
Hey! I'm looking to start growing Oyster Mushrooms and I was wondering if you've used Rice Bran or Cotton Seed Meal as a supplement in your substrates? If so, how would you sterilise those before mixing them into your substrate-spawn mix? I'd really appreciate the help. Thanks.
@@OakandSpore Thank you Sir! A major relief. This would greatly reduce the need to remove the used substrate. It does however, extort the question of why the same species/spores can not be replaced after sterilization.
@@OakandSpore Sweet, thanks for the info. I'm thinking about starting my own farm soon. How many bags do you normally have fruiting at one time (2kg bags?), and how many kg a week of mushrooms are you able to sell reliably?
American here, I carry a 9mm in my coat, and usually keep an 8th of medical on me at all times, we use the metric system, that jokes played out, our dental system is still better
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As an American, directions unclear, flooded house. 🤷♂️🤸♂️
Oh no, what have I caused!
Perhaps I need to start translating into.. dare I say.. imperial?
As American as the PressureCooker on min 02:50 !
As an overpriced house, American unclear 😭
What do you think about different mix like, straw pellets + soybean pellets 80/20 ratio with only boiling water? Or is it still would be better to use hardwood instead of straw? Autoclaves is very expensive tho.
And what is your opinion as a start commercial growing, laminar flowhood is necessary?
hl3 confirmed!
I’m from America.
I don’t know metric system 😅😅😐
Master mix is expensive... use 80% hardwood pellets and 20 wheat bran since hardwood is only 6$ for 50 lb bag while wheat and soy hulls are around 30$ per 40lb bag using wheat you only need to use 20% which will save you money!!!$$$ also recommend whole oats for mushroom grow
Lmao! half life 3 joke
I love these types of videos that teach us I really congratulate them
Do you soak your soy hull pellets at all before adding to the bag, or do you add those along with hardwood pellets and water? I've seen it both ways, but have been a long time lurker on your page and have come to trust your judgement on a lot.
As an American, I wholeheartedly agree that our units system is complete garbage. Like why did we change it when the preexisting one just makes way more sense
Well we can't have the public learn the truth can we?
would it be possible to use for example oat or barley instead of soy?
Watching this many years later while HL3 hype building. Well done, sir. Mushrooms looking great!
Pellet fuel(4x) and soy hull pellets(10x) is very expensive my country, i cant do that. wheat straw (1x) and wheat pulp(2x) are cheap. I guess it will work. 1x = 0.2$ kg.
It may not be expensive for you, but the dollar in the country is very expensive. Oyster mushroom price in the public market bazaar 2 $ kg. Weekly 50kg, monthly 200kg mushroom total 1kg=2$ x 200 = 400$. Up to the lowest minimum wage in the country, monthly 381$. group of workers cannot get more than this wage monthly 381$.
So I build a mushroom farm that will make $ 350-400 a month, rather than be someone else's slave, rather than be someone else's slave, errand or slog away.
Employers give who work here with a monthly salary of $ 381. Employers think of themselves as master, god, elite. They treat you like a poor, despicable person or scum. If you are not employed by a government agency, private companies and workers work at least 10 to 18 hours a day, and most of them do not even provide social security and do not pay a part of such a low wage.
Congratulations. Good job man. Hopefully your business gets larger and you can employ some people fairly in the future.
What temperature is the water you put in the bag? How long do you leave it in there? (overnight) What exact time? When you put it in the pressure cooker, do you seal the bag first? And how long exactly? There's a big difference between 45 minutes and 2 hours (for a bag containing 1kg of oak and 1kg of soy). How much time?
Where are your safety crocks mate?!!
I'm living dangerously this video...
Hi. Is there any preferred wood type for blue oyster.? Because when I tried growing it on hardwood sawdust. , they failed to colonise. But on straw they are good. Im from India and we can't find those hardwood species that u usually recommend
I know this was made a while ago now, but the oystermushroom bag you showed that had fruited, do you remmber what the ratio of spawn would have been?? and what is your grain of choice now and what was it on this video?
Hello, i really like your videos, i have a question , the master mix bags, can it be sterilised at low pressure in a steam tank? Thanks for the time and effort to reply :) and how much time and how much temperature ? Almost thanks
Nice mushrooms mate! What's your substrate mix for Shiitake?
Also, why not make a box around your blower fan with a pre filter?
The pre filter will filter out some of the shite before you fan pushes it through the HEPA. Will increase the life of your HEPAs and it's far cheaper to replace the pre filters. ;)
There is a pre filter, it's mounted inside the box right before the hepa. You just cant see it :D
My shiitake mix is usually 80% hard wood with 20% bran, although I am going to drop down to 15% bran soon as I am getting a lot of mutations.
Video released....3 years ago. HL3 confirmed?
There's no grain in the bag just the master mix that you innoculate and it grows?
What else can we thank the metric system for confusing Americans, lmao
Hey man nice work! So much simpler than others I've watched. Is it soy hill pellets or ground soy hulls? To add on to your country list below Canada says hello!
It's pelletised soy hulls. NZ says hello to Canada!
I can't find soy hulls in my region. What I can use instead?
Thanks for the awesome content and great information. One question, how many bags are you able to fit safely into the stovetop pressure cooker?
I don't use a stovetop, I use drum steam sterilizer. I have a recent video of it if you want to go have a look.
Any observations on the size of the 2nd flush as compared to a standard substrate? I’ve read the Master’s yields heavily with the 1st flush but with a greatly reduced 2nd flush.
I get s heavy first flush and an average second flush. I don't even bother with a thirs.
Thanks!
I’ve seen in many Master’s Mix recipes calling for 50/50 hardwood to soy hull pellets with 60% water by weight.
If I’m doing my math right (and I might not be), it looks like you’re using almost 55% water by weight . Is that correct? If so, do you see much difference in the 5% discrepancy?
Yes hes using 55%! I have tried with 60% water and it didnt work well, so this time im going to try with 55%..... mycelium stop growing with 60% water.
Far and away the funniest myco channel on the tube!
Haha thanks mate!
So you do 54,5% water? Or are you acouting for the moister in the pellets? I just do 3lt, 2kg. Works great for me. It's just easier, a 6lt makes for 2 batches. No scale needed.
Yes, plus the dry substrate usually contains around 8% water. So that means I am using about 58% moisture content.
2:00 Weights for cooking
Hi Tom, I thought those pellets have been already sterilzed in the makimg process using heat. Do I really need pressure cooker?
Yes because mold and bacteria spores will still get into the bag...
Oh my fucking god the half-life bit killed me. That was so unexpected 😂
Have you done a comparison between master mix using hardwood vs softwood pellets? If so, may I ask what's the rough biological efficiency for each?
No I haven't' but I might do that video.
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you got a thumbs up for Halflife 3 and tonnes of other stuff...or was it a tun?
Beautiful Oysters!!!! Thank you for sharing your knowledge!
No worries!
lol half life 3 confirmed
Do you just cut the bag?
Beautiful mushrooms. In Ukraine, we grow oyster mushrooms on straw and husk sunflower seeds.
Thanks! We don't grow many sunflowers here, so I use soy hulls and pine pellets.
@@OakandSpore
What country are you from? I am Ukraine, Donetsk. On the husk it works very well. Good luck.
The pine pellets work. I thought It had to use hard wood pellets for oysters
omg hf3 confirmed!
Hi from South Africa. Love your humour in all your videos! :)
Thanks South Africa!
I knew I liked you
subbed 4 hl3
Confirmed.
Ive been blooking for oak pellets wothout much luck. Will any hardwood tree species work for growing oysters?
straw
@@GGg-fx2fnI know that you can use straw as a substrate but that does not answer my question.
HalfLife 3
Wow those look awesome
Thanks!
I noticed that your third bag (the one ready to begin fruiting) doesn't look as 'white' as the bag with the blue oyster fruit body on it. Is the optimum time to fruit when the mycelium has only just taken hold of the whole substrate, or when it's thick and firm (and white)?
Also, how the hell do you mix the spawn through the bag without making a mess, I swear it's impossible to not get it on the filter patch!
I fruit almost the day it finishes colonising, the reason I do this is that it will start pinning in the bag a day or two after colonisation has finished. I like to stay ahead of the pinning and try to get it to pin where I cut the hole in the bag. I'm not sure why they pin in the bag so heavily, perhaps it's because I use the 5 micron filter patches.
That other bag at the back is also Phoenix oyster, and the bag with the fruits is blue oyster, so the mycelium could look a little different.
They pin so heavily because theres more co2 trapped in those air pockets as well as humidity.
Lol.. Confused already!! 👍👍
Not too confused I hope!
@@OakandSpore I'm starting to understand.. Been gardening my whole live but just started my first mushrooms this week.
It's amazing to me that Americans won't adopt the metric system (I'm American). It's the easiest EVER.
How do you make sure you have mushrooms every week when it takes many weeks for the bag to be fully colonized. Can you give me your planning for that
Lmfao I've watched this video like 5 times and the Half Life thing cracks me up everytime
brother tell me what humidity and temperature should be in the germination chamber before the appearance of primordia ???
Again, a detailed video with some good fun humor, thank you :) Silly question from a noobi, have you tried LC directly into your substrate without going through grain spawn? have you considered that at any point?
I haven't really tried LC too much. I think I will venture down that path in the future though.
Using LC straight into substrate works fine in my experience. However Turning your container/s of LC into grain spawn means you can inoculate more substrate with the same amount of starting culture :)
How many kg of mushrooms on average does 1kg of this mix produce?
Thanks !
Great work! What is spawn ratio for 1 substrate bag ? 1 l of spawn or less ? And my idea is to put colonized wooden stick 20 cm long in the middle (that I do for my oyster grain spawn--put colonized stick in middle of grain bag) and hopes that bag will colonize. But how mush grain spawn you put in ?
Btw, I have watched your videos on the the sterilizer drum. Probably not all of them. Is that a bubas barrel's unit or did you source a a local stainless barrel. I have an autoclave but I'm, considering buildin't one like yours using a regular metal barrel like the first one you built. Do you think it's worth it or does it rust way too fast?
We don't have bubba's barrels here in New Zealand, so I just sourced a couple stainless barrels. I am looking for a plain old steel barrel now to increase production. The cost of stainless barrels is huge, and you can get a steel barrel for around $10, so steel is worth it even if you go through a couple each year. Just make sure you get one that's help food stuffs, not chemicals!
@@OakandSpore Yes, That's exactly what I'm thinking. Regular barrels are just too cheap in comparisson. Have you seen/consider Brian Callow's setup from What the Fungus? He has huge poly totes (designed for fruit harvesting I believe) and a steamer running steam through several of them.
Andrew from Mossy Creek also has a big setup.
Yes I have seen Brain Callows, I looked at doing that but my research showed HDPE sometimes cant handle the heat, and plus I like to wheel my barrels into the clean room after they have sterilised so I open them into a clean atmosphere. I believe Brain Callow transports his from the sterilisers to his clean room, which can be a vector for contamination.
The two steel drums i have been using has lasted me so far a year. The one getting a little rusty, i am going to go and have the inside sand blasted and then paint it with stove paint. Yes steel barrels are the way to go and you can build an insert for them for around $40. Go to a beer distributer and buy an empty keg or a full one and have a cookout and then fabricate an insert out of it.
So is master's mix reccommended for ALL gourmet mushrooms?
I wonder if the little spaces between each fuel bag makes a difference on how fast it grows if it was more finer it would grow faster right
Is it the same amount of time even when using liquid culture?
Can we use lime to pasteurized subtrate?
your wasting time an money,it only takes 2wks to fully colonize 10# bags of pine pellet,and I never cook them.They cook them when pellets are made.
I prefer to colonise for 16 days. Colonisation temperature plays a part in colonisation time.
Thanks for confirming masters mix is the best, I will try this recipe.
are you Kiwi?
Sure am!
2:22 just love your dry humor!! 🤣
What's that white patch on the bag ?
Do you only mix 2,5 liters of water in1 kilo of pellets? Is that all to make the substrate?
1.5kg water per 1kg pellets.
What is the purpose of the pressure? Could I achieve good results with the masters mix with sous vide?
@@quadlawnmowerman 🙏 thank you!
There are 2 types of countries. Those that use the metric system and those that have landed on the moon.
3 words. Mars Climate Orbiter.... oof...
Could you use coco coir?
Anything I could use as substitute for soy hull pellets? I have no access to that
straw
How much do you expect to harvest on the first flush using this recipe? That fruit looks like one fine specimen
600-700g ideally.
Can hay be used as a substrate for oyster mushroom cultivation..
No, I don't think so. You need to use straw.
hi tom, with this example how many kgs do you get to harvest total from 1st to 3rd flush?
1kg over 2 flushed for each bag. bags are 5kg.
Do you get Harwood fuel pellets in your country or you have to bring on from america
I use softwood fuel pellets.
Great video. What’s the size of your bag you’re using?
Unicorn XLS-A
Do the bags seal themselves inside the pressure cooker?
Nope! You have to seal them with an impulse sealer after they are inoculated.
Hi, how many grams of fresh weight do you get per flush in 1 bag?
750g trimmed mushrooms first flush.
Hi tom
I have an instant pot. Would that work as well?
Yes but you have to add an extra 30 minutes to an hour because instant pots only go to 13 Psi instead of 15 psi
Have you ever considered using cracked corn, for chickens, as a substrate substitute for soy hulls? Here in the Midwest, US, a 50 pound bag from the local feed lot sells for $10.00. Tx
I've never seen Bulk corn in nz. Plus the soy hull is very cheap.
@@OakandSpore 👍 can’t beat that!
What wood are your softwood pellets? Thanks mate love the videos
Pine
brothaman thank you for the info! I have a quick question if you don't mind before I embark on my first grow. I was able to score these huge bags of hardwood sawdust (little bit of softwood in there as well) so it's not in pelleted form. Does this change anything with the ratios? Or could I still do 50/50 sawdust to soy hulls. I'm still trying to find some soy hulls .. but I will track some down no doubt.
Love the channel and those mushrooms look perfect!
I am unsure if the 50/50 masters mix is better done by volume or weight. If you are using loose sawdust I would do it by weight. I do it by weight for my bags.
@@OakandSpore thanks mate! Love from Canada!
Can I use wheat pulp instead of soy hull?
You can use wheat bran with certain mushrooms
Hey Tom, dope content, just wondering what size unicorn bags you are using? Thanks
XLS A I think they are.
@@OakandSpore thanks!!! enjoy your sunday.
yo where to get such sterilyzer? big one
I made it. I have a video about it as well.
When and how do you cut the bag for the mushrooms to grow out of it?
Probably after the whole thing is over taken by the fungi, you tear a cut into it and it will grow from there
My understanding is when it’s fully colonized and starts to pin it’s ready for fruiting. Cut X’s down your bag at 6 and 9 o’clock. Not sure how much the cutting at precise locations matters, but someone did a study at says it helps. Who knows.
Hey! I'm looking to start growing Oyster Mushrooms and I was wondering if you've used Rice Bran or Cotton Seed Meal as a supplement in your substrates? If so, how would you sterilise those before mixing them into your substrate-spawn mix?
I'd really appreciate the help. Thanks.
I have not tried that substrate.
How did you inoculate the bag?
Stainless spoon, scoop it in.
Hi Tom, please can you tell me, is it possible to sterilize the substrate and reuse it?
Yes if you innoculate it with. A different muhsroom species. I don't know how well it will perform though...
@@OakandSpore Thank you Sir! A major relief. This would greatly reduce the need to remove the used substrate. It does however, extort the question of why the same species/spores can not be replaced after sterilization.
What is the purpose of soy hulls and can they be replaced with something different?
Nutrition. Yes they can be replaced.
@@OakandSpore Thank you. But what are other nutrients?
Beet pulp, corn cobs, seed hulls. Anything really.
how big are those bags?
Unicorn XLT
What is your average first flush yield per kg of substrate?
I get 750g-1kg first flush from 2kg dry substrate.
@@OakandSpore Sweet, thanks for the info. I'm thinking about starting my own farm soon. How many bags do you normally have fruiting at one time (2kg bags?), and how many kg a week of mushrooms are you able to sell reliably?
My bags are 4.8kg (2.8kg water) and I have upwards of 120 in cycle at a time.
When do you put slits in the bag?
After 2 weeks of incubation.
Thanks
He's hot.
Aww shucks...
Congratulations, very good! Please explain better what substrate used, I did not understand. Thanks
How do i keep the bags from melting? I have the heat turned down and they still melt.
American here, I carry a 9mm in my coat, and usually keep an 8th of medical on me at all times, we use the metric system, that jokes played out, our dental system is still better
Lol fine, you got a like for our lord and savior GabeN
Peace be upon him.
It’s not cool making fun of the greatest country this earth has yet to see, AMERICA.
I am sure America can handle the bantz!
What is that rubbish in the middle.. just show us the info we came for
I'll show you whatever I want to show you on my RUclips channel.