Can Flak & Jugger Defeat Hachi Together?
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Can Flak & Jugger Defeat Hachi Together?
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>Map does not have extra Infantry
Unfair matchup. Hachi was always destined to win
I think the map is too small for this, their double tag doesn't matter if they've got nothing to punch with when they get their powers.
But a bigger map would also give Hachi so much more cash to out-tech them
@@skiller5034Yeah but imho it should be much closer (if not even more advantageous for themsz) for themsz on a bigger map where the double turn gets way higher potential.
I would like to see a non ai version. Flak hugger should proliferate with inf and cheap units then force perserve to try and out unit count hatchi then double team in luck damage yo counter push
Mangs: DS AI is not that bad.
AI: *starts yeeting infantry into tanks, baseskipping, and not understanding barter*
Mangs: I'm not mad, just very dissapointed.
Bonus points for putting Artillery in range of tanks and just not doing anything with them anyway
Is unit count still as important in DS despite the higher power chargesrerdzsz of infantryierdzsz? Does the extra power charge apply to the infantry playerdzsz defending or the one attacking itrtzszdzsz? Or bothrdzsz?
Even with Dual Strike, the random luck modifiers for Flak and Jugger are AWFUL XD I would love to see this exact scenario but with Adder and Koal using Creepy Crawly.
to be fair that map is too small so it wouldn't be that great, but maybe in a slightly bigger map
Zekenotech killing it in the live league
I think the first turn advantage is also super relevant.
Definntely. Hachi was able to easily get his half of the cities and interrupt the capture of Team Luck's final cities.
I think that in order to Hachi and Flak&Jugger match to be more even, we would need a more mid-sized map, if the map its too big Hachi will have a LOT of cities to use with Merchant Union, and if its too small his discount will lead him up to having better units
If the map type needs to be hyper-specific for flak and juggernaut to have a chance, that’s not a fair fight
To my knowledge, the AI doesn't really use Merchant Union. It seems to prefer spamming Barter instead.
@@art-games6230 man they're facing Hachi, this isn't a fair fight to begin with
Also thats one factor when chosing a CO in competitive play
fireworks is Jugger and Kindle
Jugger only has special dual strikes with Koal and Kindle
Watching this made me realize that the Re-Boot Camp should have used Dual Strike's visuals (AW 1&2 sprites in a 3D environment) instead of what we ended up getting. The only downside with Dual Strike is the low render resolution that makes everything blurry which wouldn't be an issue on the Switch.
I genuinely like RC's graphics, but I would love this setting as an alternative mode. The classic Wars World sprites have aged like fine wine.
5:52 The Fireworks tag break is Jugger and Kindle/Candy if I am not mistaken.
I think first turn advantage actually had a pretty significant impact on this game. It could have been a lot closer if you put Flak and Jugger as player 1.
Ah yes, the classic Danganronpa music over a war game.
Tbh, considering the stuff that goes on in Danganronpa, it fits like a glove.
I need a Danganronpa spinoff where flak is the detective
@@Supahvegetah Literally Danganronpa 2. Except Nagito is always lucky, unlike poor Flak.
Power means zip if you can't hit the target ~Hachi, Black Hole Rising
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You should set up a Final Battle Map but replace Strum with Kanbei, also have more than 3 CO's against him. See if it's possible to topple the Samurai Emperor armed with countless resources.
Darn, I was hoping it was going to be another "impossible" challenge
Hachi is top tier 💯
I think the test should be re-done in a bigger map. They'll still have no chance 😂
Flak+Jugger is close to Eagle in terms of power. Their supers hurt themselves about as much as help.
This kind of thing reminds me how I miss fun options on AWBW
Maybe CPU is not THAT needed, although nice, if it's too difficult to make, but some extra options for the room creator would be cool. Like:
- Change on-going game options
- Non-symmetrical game options
- Unit prices
So on
Not all is competitive, fun is good too
Since AWBW has tag teams (but not dual strikes), I have to wonder how they would work in tiers. Would Jake+Jess be able to stand up to Max? Are Rachel+Drake a match for Hawke? Are the increases in power for pairings consistent, or are some COs better partners than others (tier 3's multiple damage powers might be nasty)?
Reject Luck. Embrace Discount.
I thought that Jugger was an AI. So an AI playing as an AI that is paired with an AI, lost to another AI?
To test if Dual Srike is worth 2 tiers, I think it could be nice to see Adder+Lash (both T3 in Tag) against Von Bolt
wonder if this would be different w/ real players
Predictable outcome from tweedledee and tweedledum.
i don't think a 1v1 with 1 side was the correct matchup here. Have flak and jugger go on a 2v1 with unbalanced buildings to make it more interesting.
for future reference, if you hold start while booting a ds game on a 3ds, it will display in pixel perfect mode
the picture will be smaller, but it wont be blurry
Outside of the map being too small, the AI does have a build order that it tends to stick to which is "buy the most expensive unit and base skip if necessary" which makes it very easy for the AI to fall behind on unit count which leaves it open to dives with recons or tanks.
Why would you do such a tiny map? The only advantage them being tagged has over using just flak is the tag powers but on such a tiny map itll take forever to get their tags.
map was too small imo, and also Hachi started playing, maybe next time make him play second turn
Fireworks is Jugger and Candy's tag power
Sad Jugger and Helmut don't get a Dual Strike like "GOOFY GUNNERS"
You gotta do Hachi going second, FTA is too strong in these small maps.
I thought this was an awbw comparison match...
What I'm curious about is another CO matchup between two grandmasters on awbw. Who is more broken, AW2 Sturm or 2 tower Javier?
Mangs, what mod did you do to your 3DS to havea USB-C (?) port next to the standard charging port?
Honestly, Hawke vs. Kanbei would be really interesting on large maps. The ai wouldn't know how to play kanbie and the globald damage would 🤰
Sami + Eagle vs. Hachi.
"why would anyone watch cpu vs cpu thats boring"
Try telling that to blaseball, saltybets, saltyfronts, Final fantasy tactics battlegrounds, and people who run cpu vs cpu leagues in any game that offers it from get go. i can imagine somebody would make an autobattler fire emblem and advance wars on twitch or youtube with a similar concept where 2 cpu vs cpu teams slug it out. and people would watch and bet non-existent points. maybe even audiences or community participation on the armies and battle conditions? Obviously, this concept would take a lot to work in for a channel that runs advance wars or fire emblem cpu vs cpus tournaments, championships, and even seasons 24/7 or even on certain days. especially from the cpu stand point.
I would be a weekly watcher if it existed.
Would be fun if it were custom AI CPU
im early
Now let 2 Flak/Jugger players play against a Hachi player (all around the same skill level)
This could become a series: Working from the top down, who CAN these 2 beat :D
when i saw the title i was pretty sure it was an awbw video, soo would it be possible in the future to commentate a match that has teams like 1v2 (ofc giving some kind of advantage to the single player) or 2v2? that would be interesting to see
Honestly, A.I. vs. A.I. feels a bit dull. I'd be interested to see you vs. Panzergraf with two lower-tier COs though!
You probably thought Jugger and Flak had a special tag power because of the relatively common fan theory that Jugger IS Flak. Their powers are very similar, and Flak is nowhere to be seen in the campaign... So maybe Lash tried some sort of RoboCop-type experiment and it didn't work out?
We all know that awds is kind of broken. Can you beat the hard campaign, using only two CO? Considering the variety of maps, there could be some CO that should probably not be allowed, but, it's an interesting question.
Now, I know that in theory this is impossible as there are some campaign missions where you control 3 countries. However, I also know that if you have (let's use the luck CO as the example) Flak as OS, Jugger as BM, and Nell as GE. You can add Nell as the second CO for BM, which removes her from GE. (No CO for GE at this point) then you can just remove Nell from BM's Tag co option. GE is still controllable, it defaults to Andy's theme (which is interesting as it means that by default Andy's theme is the base theme) Also it immediately thinks you're ready for a scop, which if you use it you will freeze the game. (You could in theory do it again and play with only one CO controlled army, but, "dual screen" missions require two CO, so, you do technically need two CO to complete the campaign.
Todays lesson: the power of friendship can't beat the power of money... Oh wait, that was Collin's Super power. 😅
I'm going to say no. . . I just played flak into jess, every single encounter other than infantry on infantry was a flat out loss 😂 Oh my god this guy is bad 🤣
Hey hey people. This video and victory has been brought to you by The Merchant's Guild. -Ssethtzeentach
Wait wait wait, I’m sorry but who would ever argue Von Bolt to be anywhere even close to Hachi in terms of power, let alone surpassing him?
Listen I am one of the few people who actually like the old man, but even I don’t like him _that_ much. xD
Somewhat unrelated but does anyone know what happened to Kartal? That guy who modded AW games. His YT channel seems to be removed.
"It (Dual Strike AI) is better than Advance Wars 2"
X to fucking doubt.
Thought the map was too small but actually it went for a lot longer than i tought. Fun match.
I should give dual strike a try someday. I never played it.
What do you mean? Having the AI play against itself was the only way to spectate matches back then!
Yes I did it a lot. It usually ended in a stalemate.
1hp tank, needs 3 units to destroy it during TAG strike! 😂😂😂
Just Flak stuff.
Hey mangs I noticed that when you play aw by web you have sounds. How you managed that? help pls
olaf vs drake - span island - no perks no planes pure death match of the century of who has the biggest belly - while you at it make the weather random so it can coin flip either side
I kinda want to see, if a player can beat Hachi with just Flak & Jugger.
Maybe the Jugger/Flak team needs perks too. Rematch?
It may be a bit more balanced if jugger and flak play first, but I still don't see them win
Anybody else on board with a Tags tournament on AWBW?
Too bad AW2 Sturm not in Dual Strike. That needs to be a mod if it isn't already.
Mangs my man, ya gotta do 4 teams, all with tag Drake Olaf. It will grant you a *very* long stream material…
How about Hachi and Andy against Kanbei and Sonja/Grit?
Hey, I think it would be cool if you do Hatchi vs Colin and Kanbei on a big map.
I think the tag duel between Flak & Jugger is a little inferior to Eagle playing alone.
%aybe a map for 3 ? And Flak and Jugger gets in a team rather than together with the same troops ?
why not do this match in (commander wars) the AI is much better there! and see if they can win
I'm going to dig out my 3DS and play some dual strike
Hachi won the match but Flak and Jugger won our hearts
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A fun experiment, more of these would be nice :)
One character unlocks and I don't know how to get hachi
Hydrogen bomb vs Coughing baby
I was pretty disappointed by this video
Eh, Hachi just got lucky.
Hachi - sensei vs jugger. o/
Try Colin & Sasha vs Hachi
For Little Island, Flak & Jugger should been Red Player. I've played this map many times, and Red player has a slight advantage over Blue Player.
I really liked the idea! Can you repeat that experiment but on a global league map you made in Dual Strike? Also, Operation Mechstorm was influenced by the AI in Dual Strike, lol.
I think team flak should get first turn, further testing 'Can being first turn w/o counter FTA make up for CO tier level difference?'
Hold the phone - exactly how long has Jugger had a *7-cost* SCOP?! That's the real Mandela moment in his test game.
As a Luck main this... is disheartening. xD That last attack from Jugger had me laugh though. xD
I imagined this would be flak and jugger as two separate factions working together. Like they both get their own cities and bases etc…this is just a slaughter as it is
I think team friendship was in a big disadvantage because of the map size... It would be better to try with a bigger map
I used to do the AI vs AI thing just like you did. I wanted to test which COs were better because I couldn't beat the final mission, so I'd use that to see which ones would be best lol.
That was brutal
The fact that flak and jugger are not strong enough on small map against hachi shows that they probably not gonna beat any tier 0 CO.
Would it be possible to mod in a special dual strike for Flak and Jugger?
I liked this! More of these weird AI matchups
I really like these types of videos, Mangs!
since the AI lost against itself, does it make it strong or weak ?
I want to see Kanbei vs Von Bolt. I have this theory VB will win.
Nice
Up!
We want more Grimm Guy! Give us Grimm Belly.
"Kan-bay".
Even Hachi pokes at Flak
Do more of these, this was fun
Kinda funny how little of a contest it was
In Dual Strike, like in Days of Ruin, AI doesn't cheat in fog war. In AW1 and AW2 of course.
in AWDS the AI only cheats a little bit in fog. it needs vision to attack your units but it also knows where your units are (at least kind of). it's a bit complex but generally the AI ignores units that it doesn't see so it will move into attack range even if it's a defensive ai, however the AI still knows if there is a unit hidden and it will path units in a way that it never gets trapped.
The AI doesn't hard cheat in DS and DoR, but it definitely knows where your units are and just pretends not to if they are in a hiding place. I confirmed this in a situation in DoR where it couldn't see my indirects in the fog but just somehow always managed to be out of range of them.
Now I wonder if you can program something like a Stockfish but for awbw
@@Graveskull thats what they said to Deep Blue, and here we are with Leela Zero, Stockfish and more
Besides, if IS managed to make an IA at all for Advance Wars, it means that the potential is there
@@GraveskullOf course you can. It wouldn't be perfect but neither is Stockfish. And AI can factor in luck, for example the poker playing bot 'Pluribus'.
@@Graveskull You can make it take into account luck, worst case just always assume that the luck is always in the opponents favour.
Someone was working on one and has popped up in this channel's comments a few times. Already got it beating weaker human players, but not good enough to publish (though that was months ago).
@@kanrakucheese oh yeah.. that
those were simpler times