Canada was extremely inclusive and welcoming, but when a large number of nationals from any country has made us feel and believe that our country's social and cultural balance had become in jeopardy, measures must be taken to ensure the social harmony of our society.
yes there have to be measures by government. People are more than welcome to put quotas for Country and whatever they see best to balance diversity...that is a most welcome measure...but instead do not blame all the LEGALLY living ones because you're unhappy with the government.
@@Grit_Tales it's not just us being unhappy with the government. We're also unhappy with the entitled scammers that sneaked into Canada and abuse our systems and our kindness. We don't want our country to become a casteism following, j3-had-loving, khalistani sewer.
@@Grit_Tales The best measure taken by the Federal government today !! A total freeze of newcomers and international students for 3 years ! I would have done it for 5 years instead!
@@Grit_Tales No more newcomers, no more international students! No more refugees!! The Canadian government must take care of the needs of Canadians first, Canadian second and Canadians third !! Those should be the priorities!!! Close the door and throw the key away!!
Maybe just Indian problem .. we have chinese , PH, thai, even Mongolian here … and hatred towards these communities are minuscule compared to indian… 🤷
Because a lot of you guys feel entitled though I know not all. A lot are seen not followimg the rules. Why are only Indians targeted amd not other race? Ask yourselves.
In 2023 alone, Canada brought in 1,040,985 students, 604,000 “temporary” workers, 437,000 immigrants, 371,355 “refugees”, for a grand total of 2,458,340 people. From 2018-2023, Canada brought in more than 2 million people from India alone, about 5% of the entire population of the country. In any country of society, there is a limit to how welcoming it can be. When numbers become overwhelming, Canadian tolerance will erode significantly. India would never over a 5 year period import into its country 5% of its entire population (e.g. 55 million people), nor would any other sane country on earth. No society is going to stand for such overwhelming numbers coming into the country. India would never allow students going to its country to expect to get citizenship just because they went to India as students.
@thomasjefferson6 If I were you, I would blame the govt. or the question the govt. or question the politicians or my elected representatives for bad policies. But I do not spread hatred on those students who might have come into the Country legally. I do not blame the students for having to work as per their approved status. I do not blame the students for their right to apply for Permanent Resident by following due process. They do only what's within their control and what's allowed or permitted to them. What's wrong in it?
@@Grit_Tales I do not blame those who are coming in and I do not condone bigotry against perfectly innocent people. At the same time, I do not condone mass immigration, nor the transformation of Canada into a clone of India. I believe that every country has a right to preserve its culture, history, and heritage, and this is not possible with the enormous numbers of people coming into Canada. Sensible countries like India would never do this to themselves.
@Chillmindedpanther13 Not everyone is Punjabi and don't everyone act weird on streets. And, I don't hire ONLY Indians. There are good people and don't see everyone together in the same category.
@@Grit_Tales Yes, we Canadians have voiced it out. Your god-father, Justin Trudeau will be losing his job very soon. Pierre Polievere will take over and as a conservative, he will kick out non-citizens and those that don't hold PR status.
@praful6890 You're all free to kick out the non-status ones for sure and those who are in illegal. I am in no support of such people anyway irrespective of my nationality. By the way, I am NOT here because Justin welcomed me...I am here because I wanted to be...and I will leave if there's a need to. Chill...
Go tell that to Trudeau. Why are you asking Indians for that ? Most of them were invited here, thanks to the government. But you wanna blame the guests instead of the person holding the door ? Wtf ?
@@Mr.Coffee576 Justdick Trudeau has been told. He is trying to save his ass now by announcing new immigration quotas. (announcement should come today, Oct 24, 2024). It's too late for him. Many of his own MPs don't want him. It is just a matter of time he is gone and so are all the students. We don't need them. They dilute our culture on the negative side instead of being a net benefit.
I have nothing against anyone. But please behave and follow the law every where you go. Treat everyone with respect and most importantly, if you have to use the washroom use a toilet. The public beach is not a human litter box 😭
i live in Canada, originally from London, UK. Outside of Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver, the local population's view of non-Anglo-Americans scares the Hell out of us. It's like the deepest darkest southern states of America. Yes, we have been to every province!
You're not aware of how bad the deep South can be. Canada got indian/khalistani/brahmin/arab and all different kinds of supremacists and racists. It's not just limited to European targeting non-whites.
Now you Indians in Canada knwo what it is to be a muslim or a Kashmiri or a christian in India. Muslims regualrly lynched, Mosques attacked . Churces have been burnt and most minorities have become second class citizens in India. But same upper caste people in Canada are mum about these atrocities back home and in Canada shout Rascism. You cant have you cake and eat it buddy, If you want to defeat rascism in canada stand up against the brutality in India. Dont deny.
Agreed . On the other hand , the ‘natives ‘ in North America feel the same about other races . I do get your point though . If we have different races who are willing to integrate and respect diversity . That is what we want. If certain group , either Anglo Saxon , Indian or Chinese or any group just want to give the preference to their own group , then I would condemn .
I have been to India. I wear a cross on my neck. While travelling on trains, buses, and in public places I was scared. I made sure I covered the cross with my T-shirt or shirt. It was a nightmare. When asked which religion I followed, I had to lie saying I am an atheist. The north is dystopian. Twisting alleys, feral dogs barking, people defecating. I will never visit again. India is far more dangerous to foreigners than Canada is to it's ethnics. At least in Canada, this gentle woman says go back to India. She does not ask her sons to attack. Yes, we want you, the students and non-citizens to go back because you do not assimilate. You do not make an attempt to fit in. Dress nicely, have neat hair, shave and wear under arm deodorant, don't talk loudly and don't push when it is not your turn. Keep your neighborhoods clean and respect how you park and where you park your cars. These are simple things that Canadians notice.
Indians who lives outside India must remain Indian by heart. If they thinks them self as only tamils,telegu,bengali,punjabi or gujrati then it will bring more problens. Instead of fighting with each other Indians should remain together in forign lands.
It’s not hatred brother it’s self preservation. Imagine you living in your own country and over night it becomes flooded with people who look different from you with a different culture who only look out for members of their own group how would you feel. And atop of that having 4 times more children than the pre existing group and bringing there 2000 years old domestic conflict to your ultra peaceful country . I would say that it is foolish not to be concern
@ brother they are all illegal since the government never had a referendum and ask the people of the country if they wanted them here. They just cave to business interests whose only concerns are higher business profits and personal wealth and the rest of us be damed
@cathybetter2245 you sound like you could be the daughter of the woman in the video. In reality whatever accent a person has doesn’t matter. If they’re a citizen, legally they are Canadian IF they are a citizen. So you can stop your bullshit racism lady.
Now you Indians in Canada knwo what it is to be a muslim or a Kashmiri or a christian in India. Muslims regualrly lynched, Mosques attacked . Churces have been burnt and most minorities have become second class citizens in India. But same upper caste people in Canada are mum about these atrocities back home and in Canada shout Rascism. You cant have you cake and eat it buddy, If you want to defeat rascism in canada stand up against the brutality in India. Dont deny.
If this bothers you please look to what people of the lower castes in India have endured for generations. I am not saying one cancels the others but a level of perspective helps as well. And these unfortunates don’t even have a country that “they can go back to”. Modi’s saffron antics & stupidity DOES NOT work to create amity in the world. Plus his shenanigans with gangsters killing Canadian citizens no less.
@@Grit_Tales Isn't the solution obvious to you. Or is that famous low IQ kicking in. The lower castes are Indians. Not foreigners. Whatever religion may be, if they are in India for thousands of years, they are Indians. Don't divide them or is it done on purpose ? That is why Modi is also on the way out. Just like Justin Trudeau. He failed to gain his political achievement of becoming a hindu dictator. Lost Kashmir, Punjab, Bengal and the entire south in the last election. His base is in the middle and he will lose that too in the next election. Indian intelligence is not sophisticated enough to conduct foreign operations like assassinating siks. All their operations have been exposed thru the CIA and CSIS.
@praful6890 Ok I don't 'assume' a solution for someone else. Anyway, 'killing Canadian citizens' is pretty offensive...no one is killing anyone. And I don't think Modi is dictating everyone to be HIndus...I am Christian by religion and never felt vulnerable to whatever that you mentioned.
@@Grit_Tales Modi is not dictating ?. What the heck have yu been smoking. Fine herbs that you roll up in paper ? Modi is a rank and file member of RSS. The RSS doctrine denies basic rights to muslims and Christians. Only hindus count. It is plainly written in the manifesto written by Golwalkar. As to killings, when the Gujerat riots were going on he was the CM. 2000 muslims were slaughtered. He did not step in to stop it. Now let's come to the Christians. Manipur in case. 300 churches were burned by hindus, approx 250 Christians were killed by hindus. Christian women were stripped naked and gang raped after their sons or brothers or fathers were slain. Modi did not step in. He was the PM of India. He let it go on for two whole months. Christians are now refugees in their own country. There were retired Manipuri officers from the army pleading with him to intervene. India is lost under this madman. You must have been living under a rock to not know this.
Uhm they forget the native Americans but whites are privileged and claim rights historically to indigenous people's historic lands.Irony look at GAZAand the Palestinians.Europeans come in and take land and claimed they have hsitorial rights based on thier religion.Even the DNA contradicts any purity test of being middle eastern.Jews are middle easten not Europeans. So true in the USA.Great video from a hisoanic n born and raised in New York Wwith my people coming from Puerto Rico as citizens in 1917.Family memebers serving in WW1, WW2, Korean war, myself Vietnam, my son Iraq but some people consoder me foriegn although they arrived fron Europe or South Africa yesterday.
The natives didn't build this land. The whites did. When the Europeans came here there were no railways, highrises, telephones, highways, airports, internet, hospitals, education, healthcare or a nation. There were tribes fighting and killing each other and kidnapping women. Oh you didn't know that ? They did not even have horses. They communicated by smoke signals (called cloud today, ha, ha, ha).
@cathybetter2245 Well Indians gonna take over every neighborhood and tell you “You lost get over it b*tch”! Hahahahaha. It’s the cycle of life, you really thought you could OWN the Earth? HAHAHAHAHA pathetic whitewashed mentality, you guys done for. Just like you tell the indigenous people that they had to be better, Indians gonna tell you, “you guys should’ve been more competitive.” Because clearly Indians are teaching you guys the true definition of capitalism. The very thing your country is built on hahahahaha
@cathybetter2245 Indians buying prime property and mansions around Ontario and you lot sitting there whining and crying like a bunch of incompetent babies.
I am Filipino American from NYC and work with many brilliant Indians (straight from India) at a consulting firm. They hired me, promoted me and gave me lots of opportunities. Some of my closest friends growing up were Indian Americans. I've never met one Indian that wasn't sweet, calm and lovely. I absolutely love Indians for the opportunities they gave me and their friendship. Just ignore these people. You guys are some of the smartest and hardworking people in the world and don't deserve any sort of criticism. Just be confident in your intelligence, hard work, personality and rationality and no one can do anything to you.
Thank you for sharing your heartfelt experiences! It’s wonderful to see how collaboration and friendship can break down barriers and create such beautiful connections.
@@balafama2120 Keep in mind I only meet the ones that made it to America and am not interacting with the ones in the slums in India that you see. Use some logic before responding.
Too much of anything isn't good. Period. There needs to be a balance in all things.
For sure. 👍
Canada was extremely inclusive and welcoming, but when a large number of nationals from any country has made us feel and believe that our country's social and cultural balance had become in jeopardy, measures must be taken to ensure the social harmony of our society.
yes there have to be measures by government. People are more than welcome to put quotas for Country and whatever they see best to balance diversity...that is a most welcome measure...but instead do not blame all the LEGALLY living ones because you're unhappy with the government.
@@Grit_Tales it's not just us being unhappy with the government. We're also unhappy with the entitled scammers that sneaked into Canada and abuse our systems and our kindness. We don't want our country to become a casteism following, j3-had-loving, khalistani sewer.
@@Grit_Tales The best measure taken by the Federal government today !! A total freeze of newcomers and international students for 3 years ! I would have done it for 5 years instead!
@@victormendez8811 lol they didn’t freeze. They brought money and have not come to sit and eat. Stop lying to yourself
@@Grit_Tales No more newcomers, no more international students! No more refugees!! The Canadian government must take care of the needs of Canadians first, Canadian second and Canadians third !! Those should be the priorities!!! Close the door and throw the key away!!
There's to much of people that come to Canada and don't want to change to canadian culture they want to stay the way they were in there country.
@marvkwia3973 yes that's the root cause of all these.
Maybe just Indian problem .. we have chinese , PH, thai, even Mongolian here … and hatred towards these communities are minuscule compared to indian… 🤷
@Jasuta123 Yeah seems like an Indian problem or a specific community that try to represent a whole lot of us.
That’s because they obey immigration and labour laws and PAY TAXES. Indians practice CASTE SLAVERY in Canada.
Because a lot of you guys feel entitled though I know not all. A lot are seen not followimg the rules. Why are only Indians targeted amd not other race? Ask yourselves.
Yes its not all. At least we can agree on that fact and there are certain bad ones out there whether they're Indian or other nationalities.
In 2023 alone, Canada brought in 1,040,985 students, 604,000 “temporary” workers, 437,000 immigrants, 371,355 “refugees”, for a grand total of 2,458,340 people. From 2018-2023, Canada brought in more than 2 million people from India alone, about 5% of the entire population of the country. In any country of society, there is a limit to how welcoming it can be. When numbers become overwhelming, Canadian tolerance will erode significantly. India would never over a 5 year period import into its country 5% of its entire population (e.g. 55 million people), nor would any other sane country on earth. No society is going to stand for such overwhelming numbers coming into the country. India would never allow students going to its country to expect to get citizenship just because they went to India as students.
@thomasjefferson6 If I were you, I would blame the govt. or the question the govt. or question the politicians or my elected representatives for bad policies. But I do not spread hatred on those students who might have come into the Country legally. I do not blame the students for having to work as per their approved status. I do not blame the students for their right to apply for Permanent Resident by following due process.
They do only what's within their control and what's allowed or permitted to them. What's wrong in it?
@@Grit_Tales I do not blame those who are coming in and I do not condone bigotry against perfectly innocent people. At the same time, I do not condone mass immigration, nor the transformation of Canada into a clone of India. I believe that every country has a right to preserve its culture, history, and heritage, and this is not possible with the enormous numbers of people coming into Canada. Sensible countries like India would never do this to themselves.
@thomasjefferson6 yes controls are most welcome
Punjab be racist too. On jobs, on the street etc. That trying to be victim shit doesn't fly...
@Chillmindedpanther13 Not everyone is Punjabi and don't everyone act weird on streets. And, I don't hire ONLY Indians. There are good people and don't see everyone together in the same category.
@@Grit_Tales well yt doesn't let folks say I-N-D-I-A-N-S. You're experience isn't my experience so don't worry about my view, it doesn't affect you.
@@Grit_Tales How do you explain Vivek Rhamaswami? That guy is very divisive, he hates Mexicans and his parents are immigrants
Canadian youth need those jobs to save for college, what dont you get? Canadians first.
Ok you may have a point. Please voice out to the politicians who make those policies.
@@Grit_Tales Yes, we Canadians have voiced it out. Your god-father, Justin Trudeau will be losing his job very soon. Pierre Polievere will take over and as a conservative, he will kick out non-citizens and those that don't hold PR status.
@praful6890 You're all free to kick out the non-status ones for sure and those who are in illegal. I am in no support of such people anyway irrespective of my nationality. By the way, I am NOT here because Justin welcomed me...I am here because I wanted to be...and I will leave if there's a need to. Chill...
Go tell that to Trudeau. Why are you asking Indians for that ? Most of them were invited here, thanks to the government. But you wanna blame the guests instead of the person holding the door ? Wtf ?
@@Mr.Coffee576 Justdick Trudeau has been told. He is trying to save his ass now by announcing new immigration quotas. (announcement should come today, Oct 24, 2024).
It's too late for him. Many of his own MPs don't want him. It is just a matter of time he is gone and so are all the students. We don't need them. They dilute our culture on the negative side instead of being a net benefit.
I have nothing against anyone. But please behave and follow the law every where you go. Treat everyone with respect and most importantly, if you have to use the washroom use a toilet. The public beach is not a human litter box 😭
Thats a much needed call out and I think many of them are calling it out. Hope there'll be a good change soon.
Toilet thing is Terrible.
@@Leapfriez1 they should learn to use toilet paper too. Stop using their hand
Adapt to canadian life and your people will be welcome.
yes for sure that's essential part from anyone who moves from their homeland. @Daveyboy10053
i live in Canada, originally from London, UK. Outside of Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver, the local population's view of non-Anglo-Americans scares the Hell out of us. It's like the deepest darkest southern states of America. Yes, we have been to every province!
You're not aware of how bad the deep South can be. Canada got indian/khalistani/brahmin/arab and all different kinds of supremacists and racists. It's not just limited to European targeting non-whites.
Now you Indians in Canada knwo what it is to be a muslim or a Kashmiri or a christian in India. Muslims regualrly lynched, Mosques attacked . Churces have been burnt and most minorities have become second class citizens in India. But same upper caste people in Canada are mum about these atrocities back home and in Canada shout Rascism. You cant have you cake and eat it buddy, If you want to defeat rascism in canada stand up against the brutality in India. Dont deny.
Agreed . On the other hand , the ‘natives ‘ in North America feel the same about other races .
I do get your point though . If we have different races who are willing to integrate and respect diversity . That is what we want. If certain group , either Anglo Saxon , Indian or Chinese or any group just want to give the preference to their own group , then I would condemn .
Way too many no skilled people coming from India, how many skip the dishes drivers do we need.
I have been to India. I wear a cross on my neck. While travelling on trains, buses, and in public places I was scared. I made sure I covered the cross with my T-shirt or shirt. It was a nightmare. When asked which religion I followed, I had to lie saying I am an atheist. The north is dystopian. Twisting alleys, feral dogs barking, people defecating. I will never visit again.
India is far more dangerous to foreigners than Canada is to it's ethnics. At least in Canada, this gentle woman says go back to India. She does not ask her sons to attack. Yes, we want you, the students and non-citizens to go back because you do not assimilate. You do not make an attempt to fit in. Dress nicely, have neat hair, shave and wear under arm deodorant, don't talk loudly and don't push when it is not your turn. Keep your neighborhoods clean and respect how you park and where you park your cars. These are simple things that Canadians notice.
And after 9 mnts, still not answering the very question “why” … all you talk is about the phenomenon.
Indians who lives outside India must remain Indian by heart. If they thinks them self as only tamils,telegu,bengali,punjabi or gujrati then it will bring more problens. Instead of fighting with each other Indians should remain together in forign lands.
oh yes! well said. Many come and like to represent their states or language and becomes a problem.
She right I Agree!
It’s not hatred brother it’s self preservation. Imagine you living in your own country and over night it becomes flooded with people who look different from you with a different culture who only look out for members of their own group how would you feel. And atop of that having 4 times more children than the pre existing group and bringing there 2000 years old domestic conflict to your ultra peaceful country . I would say that it is foolish not to be concern
Yes sure that’s definite concern. And I don’t think all these have come here overnight and not everyone are illegal ones
@ brother they are all illegal since the government never had a referendum and ask the people of the country if they wanted them here. They just cave to business interests whose only concerns are higher business profits and personal wealth and the rest of us be damed
no it's not racism. It's very simple. If you have an indian accent YOU AREN"T CANADIAN
Thats fine. We would never say ‘Canadian’ and will say ‘Indian Canadian’. You cannot deny that.
@cathybetter2245 you sound like you could be the daughter of the woman in the video. In reality whatever accent a person has doesn’t matter. If they’re a citizen, legally they are Canadian IF they are a citizen. So you can stop your bullshit racism lady.
Now you Indians in Canada knwo what it is to be a muslim or a Kashmiri or a christian in India. Muslims regualrly lynched, Mosques attacked . Churces have been burnt and most minorities have become second class citizens in India. But same upper caste people in Canada are mum about these atrocities back home and in Canada shout Rascism. You cant have you cake and eat it buddy, If you want to defeat rascism in canada stand up against the brutality in India. Dont deny.
Go back to Europe with your British accent, Europe needs their invaders back into the country to fight more world wars against humanity
Go back to Europe with your British accent
If this bothers you please look to what people of the lower castes in India have endured for generations. I am not saying one cancels the others but a level of perspective helps as well. And these unfortunates don’t even have a country that “they can go back to”. Modi’s saffron antics & stupidity DOES NOT work to create amity in the world. Plus his shenanigans with gangsters killing Canadian citizens no less.
Ok you have highlighted a problem and should have called out a solution too.
@@Grit_Tales Isn't the solution obvious to you. Or is that famous low IQ kicking in. The lower castes are Indians. Not foreigners. Whatever religion may be, if they are in India for thousands of years, they are Indians. Don't divide them or is it done on purpose ?
That is why Modi is also on the way out. Just like Justin Trudeau. He failed to gain his political achievement of becoming a hindu dictator. Lost Kashmir, Punjab, Bengal and the entire south in the last election. His base is in the middle and he will lose that too in the next election. Indian intelligence is not sophisticated enough to conduct foreign operations like assassinating siks. All their operations have been exposed thru the CIA and CSIS.
@praful6890 Ok I don't 'assume' a solution for someone else. Anyway, 'killing Canadian citizens' is pretty offensive...no one is killing anyone. And I don't think Modi is dictating everyone to be HIndus...I am Christian by religion and never felt vulnerable to whatever that you mentioned.
@@Grit_Tales Modi is not dictating ?. What the heck have yu been smoking. Fine herbs that you roll up in paper ? Modi is a rank and file member of RSS. The RSS doctrine denies basic rights to muslims and Christians. Only hindus count. It is plainly written in the manifesto written by Golwalkar.
As to killings, when the Gujerat riots were going on he was the CM. 2000 muslims were slaughtered. He did not step in to stop it. Now let's come to the Christians. Manipur in case. 300 churches were burned by hindus, approx 250 Christians were killed by hindus. Christian women were stripped naked and gang raped after their sons or brothers or fathers were slain.
Modi did not step in. He was the PM of India. He let it go on for two whole months. Christians are now refugees in their own country. There were retired Manipuri officers from the army pleading with him to intervene. India is lost under this madman.
You must have been living under a rock to not know this.
@praful6890 haha seems like you're Anti-Modi so much and now after everyone who is an Indian here. From your name, I could guess where you belong.
Uhm they forget the native Americans but whites are privileged and claim rights historically to indigenous people's historic lands.Irony look at GAZAand the Palestinians.Europeans come in and take land and claimed they have hsitorial rights based on thier religion.Even the DNA contradicts any purity test of being middle eastern.Jews are middle easten not Europeans. So true in the USA.Great video from a hisoanic n born and raised in New York Wwith my people coming from Puerto Rico as citizens in 1917.Family memebers serving in WW1, WW2, Korean war, myself Vietnam, my son Iraq but some people consoder me foriegn although they arrived fron Europe or South Africa yesterday.
Younlost your land. Get over it
The natives didn't build this land. The whites did. When the Europeans came here there were no railways, highrises, telephones, highways, airports, internet, hospitals, education, healthcare or a nation. There were tribes fighting and killing each other and kidnapping women. Oh you didn't know that ? They did not even have horses. They communicated by smoke signals (called cloud today, ha, ha, ha).
@cathybetter2245 Well Indians gonna take over every neighborhood and tell you “You lost get over it b*tch”! Hahahahaha. It’s the cycle of life, you really thought you could OWN the Earth? HAHAHAHAHA pathetic whitewashed mentality, you guys done for.
Just like you tell the indigenous people that they had to be better, Indians gonna tell you, “you guys should’ve been more competitive.” Because clearly Indians are teaching you guys the true definition of capitalism. The very thing your country is built on hahahahaha
@cathybetter2245
Indians buying prime property and mansions around Ontario and you lot sitting there whining and crying like a bunch of incompetent babies.
I don't agree with the white privilege statement, butI agree with the Gaza statement and the native amaerican statement.
I am Filipino American from NYC and work with many brilliant Indians (straight from India) at a consulting firm. They hired me, promoted me and gave me lots of opportunities. Some of my closest friends growing up were Indian Americans. I've never met one Indian that wasn't sweet, calm and lovely. I absolutely love Indians for the opportunities they gave me and their friendship. Just ignore these people. You guys are some of the smartest and hardworking people in the world and don't deserve any sort of criticism. Just be confident in your intelligence, hard work, personality and rationality and no one can do anything to you.
Thank you for sharing your heartfelt experiences! It’s wonderful to see how collaboration and friendship can break down barriers and create such beautiful connections.
You are lying. stop it .all indians aren't bad just as all are not sweet and smart and good.
@@balafama2120 What's there to lie? It was their experience which was shared...
@@balafama2120 Keep in mind I only meet the ones that made it to America and am not interacting with the ones in the slums in India that you see. Use some logic before responding.
America is built differently but the ones coming in canada are terrible