Then, the bigger question, and the bigger controversy is, did Draper know it. I feel that from watching his reaction, he knew it but he didn’t not want to admit it. Although it is his right to remain silent on the issue and just let the umpire decide, I feel it is poor sportsmanship. FAA was very classy and handled it gracefully.
He also knew the call wouldn't be overturned anymore so he felt safe playing the innocent 'well, if you say it touched the ground, we'll replay' to the supervisor. Moments like these shows how much class players have.
There's is absolutely, positively 0% chance that Draper didnt know. Even a club level player will immediately know that it feels completely different if you hit the ball twice like this. Very poor from Draper.
That reaction could be because he might think the ball wouldn’t go over the net, maybe not because of the pounce, for it did touch the net before going over, hence the reactionary racquet raise to somehow tried to will it over. It’s a possibility though
Draper repeatedly said, he didn't know he was looking at FAA, the replay shows him looking at the ball. And in my opinion his body language after the contact shows he doesn't think the ball is still in play, he's not staying on his toes and ready in case FAA gets to it.
Not only that, he’s already letting his racket handle slide through his hand, immediately after he plays the ball. Watch the long shot of the entire court in other videos. Not something you’d do if you thought it was an honest shot.
@@rogerrules123The book Unlimited power by Anthony Robbins says 70% of communication is body language so generally most of the time it is. The rest is 23% tone of voice, 13% verbal.
Thank you, this slow-mo version with the playback speed @ 25% confirmed to me what was difficult to see in other regular speed replays - that the *ball hits the bottom of the (Draper's) racquet frame first then bounces off the ground* (illegal shot) and then comes back and bounces off his racquet a 2nd time (double hit also illegal) and then up into the air towards the net
And in tennis TV they blurred this moment for some reason, in this channel it's clear that Draper hit it twice, first by frame, second in the middle of strings.
@@Kevin-mx3ed Show me the rule. Wouldn't matter anyway as the hit to the ground after the first racquet hit made it illegal anyway so the double hit is irrelevant
And Jack knew damn well what he did , but just kept repeating “l was looking at him, l don’t know what happened”. He could’ve made it right but took the low road instead.
I was at this match. He was whining the whole time, obsessed with his hair, and looked like a bad actor playing dumb when he won the match bc he “was looking at FAA.”
Not only did it hit his racket and then the court, it hit his racket again before going over the net, so two violations that umpire missed. Draper had to know that was not a clean shot.
USA should be banned from hosting anymore ATP and WTA tour competitions as punishment for its biases against Canadians, notably the Denis Shapovalov disqualification controversy in Washington and now a bad call against a black Tennis star like Felix Auger Aliassime. If that official thinks that he can get away with taking advantage of Canadians, he's got another thing coming.
@@HalifaxHercules yes, interestingly, Coco Gauff seems to be getting more than her fair share of bad calls as well, not that l care for her - actually, l don’t, but l despise racism. I wonder if the WTA/ATP tours could benefit from some serious vetting of their umpires.
Draper has shown in front of the most honest contestant in the top 20 (with Rudd and Fritz), Felix, what a dishonest opportunist he is. The public will always remember and that ref is already one of the most hated refs, incompetent ref on the tour. BTW Felix never breaks his racket...out of fury or out of selfish frivolous egotistic reasons.
Felix was clearly right in this case, the ball hits the frame of Draper's racket, bounces into the court, then hits his racket again before going up. Draper, was likely watching Felix's movement after anticipating where the ball would be, which is typical for a half volley and most shots to split one's attention between the ball and where one's opponent is to find a winning shot. It probably felt like a double hit to him, which is only legal in tennis if it occurs in the same motion. Umpire missed the call. Felix was right, Draper wasn't looking at the ball after he hit it and had no way to know whether it hit the court because of the double hit. Had there been no double hit, the ball would have had back spin given the angle of Jack's racket (this same situation occurred in another professional tennis match a few years ago), so Jack wouldn't know based off the ball's spin. In sum, Felix was right, Jack was watching Felix's movement and not the ball after hitting it and legitimately did not know if it bounced into his court before going over due to the double hit (racket-ground-racket), and the umpire missed the call.
Draper can concede the point if he wants to, other players do that for fair play & sportsmanship! He instead put the burden to the umpire because he knows it favors him.
Terrible mistake, poor Felix, in super slow motion you can see ball first touches bottom frame of racket, and then goes up and touches in the middle of strings, Draper pushes it by inertia and it goes up and forward, Draper definitely felt it, but behaved like he didn't understand what happened. However it's not his fault, umpire should be fired ASAP, bad thief.
I think the best thing to do is to set the playback at 0.25, but then play and pause yourself frame by frame. It does seem that the ball initially hits his racket and goes straight down to the ground. That impact forces his racket back a bit , upon which he then rehits the ball back upwards.
I see the ball hitting the court surface slightly before (or at the same time as) making contact with Draper's racket and I don't see any second contact. This is a legitimate shot.
"Straight off the racquet, into the ground" - Draper knew it was illegal. Not shown on this video, but look at the trajectory the ball takes on the way back up and over (after hitting the top of the net) to FAA's side. That's not the trajectory of a normal pick up volley.
@@marykistnen6837 yeah I read up on this after I posted, thanks! The more you know. It did hit the ground after the first hit Draper would have known that as well, IMO.
So many people in these comments either don’t know rules of tennis or they are not watching the video correctly or both. The point belongs to Felix. There is no question about this. It’s incontrovertible. Explanation for those who don’t understand why: Here is what happened and you can clearly see it on slow motion video replay… The ball hit Jack Draper‘s tennis racquet and then it bounced down and touched the ground. At that point it’s done. The point is over. It’s OVER. Point to Felix. It does not matter what happens after that. Yes some freaky shit happened in the next few milliseconds. But again, THAT DOES NOT MATTER. The point is over. Let’s review: The ball hit Jack Draper’s racket and then touched the ground. The point is over. That is the end of the point. It should have been 40-40 at that time. For those in the audience, who still don’t get it, let’s review again: The ball hit Jack Draper’s racket, and then it touched the ground. The point is over. Felix wins the point. Some of you are still saying “but I saw the ball hit Draper’s racket and then go over the net! So Jack should win the point!” Yes, you did see that happen. I also saw that happen. But if you watch the video in slow motion, you will see that all of that happened after the ball touched the ground on Jack’s side of the court AFTER hitting his racket. It might be a little confusing because it happened very very quickly. Watch it again and you’ll see. The ball touched his racket, and then it touched the ground. Point over. Yes in a freak accident the tennis ball bounced up and hit his racket again for a SECOND time and went over the net. But that doesn’t matter. That will never matter. The point is over the moment the ball touched the ground on his side of the net after touching his racket. I understand that this happened very quickly and it might’ve been impossible for the umpire to see for sure what happened without looking at a replay. But Felix saw it happen, and he knew it was his point. And Draper was looking down at the ball, despite his claim that he wasn’t, and he should’ve felt it hit the ground and then bounce up and hit his racket a second time. Yes, he may have been concentrating on not falling over or not hurting his knee while running forward quickly, or a million other maybes, so maybe he didn’t realize what happened. In this case, I cannot blame the umpire for his decision because he is not allowed to use instant replay. If he looked at a replay and then changed the call that would be breaking the rules so the rules need to be fixed to allow instant replay. It should’ve been a point to Felix. It was one in 1 million freak accident that it bounced up at the racket again and went over the net. Perhaps Jack Draper will have to live with it the rest of his career, being thought of as a cheater. But I don’t think he was cheating. I’m not sure if he knew exactly what happened. Maybe we’ll never know if he knew. But WE know. We KNOW! We have instant replay videos in slow motion. We have TRUTH. We have CERTAINTY. We have peaceful sleep knowing that the ball hit the ground after it hit the racquet. We will always have this truth. It can guide us like a light through the darkest times of our lives, it can give us peace of mind and even help us to learn humility and compassion for our fellow humans. I know it’s been hard these two days. But we got through it together and we are stronger for having fought the battles even if we lost in the end. Peace my friend. May your serves fly straight (unless they are kick serves), and may your volleys land inside the lines.
Too funny, but Draper knew. That is why he wanted a let. That is why he was shocked when the umpire said game set match. Anyone who has ever played tennis knows the different feel between a half volley and a shank into the ground, puleeeeeease !
Funny the ball actually hit the racket frame, then the ground, then the stringbed, which also changed the trajectory and may have given it a bit of a "half-volley look" - but still the sound of the ball deflected straight i to the court should've given it away and made it obvious to any experienced player. Obviously Craig Allensworth doesn't play that much tennis.
Should have been Felix point. I'm bummed for my guy. And not saying he would have won but still would have given him a fighting chance after a great match. He'll be okay though, good things happen to good people.
it took me a while to undeestand: draper hits the ball with the frame at the exact momment the ball touches the ground, the ball bounces slgtly then draper hits the ball a second time with the string bed.
Yes, Draper hits the ball with the frame the exact moment the ball touches the ground. To those that don't know, that's allowed, it's a half volley. I'm not sure whether Draper hits the ball a second time, as I can't see the ball touch the strings exactly especially in the 0,25 motion, but it looks like he could have hit the ball again due to the flight of the ball, but then again the flight of the ball could have been very bizarre due to the ball hitting the frame as the ball is touching the ground.
Can someone please explain more what happened? I watched the video many times, but since it is not a super slow motion, I have trouble catching exactly what happened. Thanks!
@@passionatetennis9149 on match point felix hit a volley which seems to have bounced before Draper hit it, Felix was asking for a review but umpire was confident in his call and didn’t allow replay
It's hard to see because it happens almost simultaneously, but the ball hits the frame of his racquet and then the ground. And he hits the ball twice with his racquet. So 1. the ball can't hit your side of the court after it touches your racquet and 2. you can't hit the ball twice in a row before it crosses back over the net.
The ball can hit the racket twice as long as it's one swing of the racket. So this is a legal shot. Lots are saying the ball hit the racket then the ground. I'm definite that the ball only hit the ground once. It was a half volley with the ball hitting the frame and then the strings which is fine because it's one swing. Ref was correct.
@@marykistnen6837 Hello there. You are somehow right and wrong at the same time I believe. You are correct about the fact that hitting the ball twice with one swing is legal and I also agree with you that the ball bounced only once on the ground. Although, the ball bounced on the court after it touched Draper's racquet, which automatically makes the shot illegal, no matter what happened after that. (At least that's what I see on the slowmo footage)
The ball can hit the racket twice as long as it's one swing of the racket. So this is a legal shot. Lots are saying the ball hit the racket then the ground. I'm definite that the ball only hit the ground once. It was a half volley with the ball hitting the frame and then the strings which is fine because it's one swing. Ref was correct.
No, you’re not understanding it at all. It has nothing to do with a double hit. The ball hit his racket and then touched the ground. the point is over. It doesn’t matter what happens after that. If you watch in very slow motion the ball hit his racket and then touches the ground. End of point.
Hit the tip of his racket, bounced to the floor then back to his racket and went over, that’s clearly illegal. Doesn’t need slow motion to see it, you can clearly see it in this video. If you can’t see it, you are bad at tennis
Clearly a half volley off the frame. 100% legit. Good call by the umpire. The ball does not bounce twice. It maybe gets squashed a little under the frame but no rule against that.
The last words of the commentator "into the gr___s" - I cannot hear the final word, sounds like with starts with "gr" and ends with "s"? Please tell us what that word is? Very hard to tell for sure, but looks to me like a legitimate half volley??? Video quality seems poor at that exact moment. Not sure why everyone is down on the referee when it so hard to see even when watching the video several times.
if you pause the video at point of contact, you can see the ball is under his racquet frame as it touches the ground. It’s a minute touch but it means the racquet hit the ball into ground. You can also see Jack pretends to give the ball topspin afterwards to mimic the spin off ground.
@@theiconicaprojecttheiconic1892 The ball only hit the ground once. It's a half volley whether his racket is on top of the ball or not. I don't think Jack had to pretend anything. Anyway it would have all happened too quickly to compute all that in his head.
@@marykistnen6837you’ve not understood what I said. It can’t be a half volley if his frame edges the ball into the ground before going back over the net
As soon as the point was over the tv announcer said "No, no, no, surely that's gone down into the court, surely"...and then a few minutes later when they are watching the slow motion replay the one announcer says "Yeah I mean pretty obvious for everyone to see that it was just straight off the racquet and into the ground"
You can feel it on racquet, there is no doubt about it, and Draper could feel it..The only question is psychological moment, because it was highly intense moment, match point, so it could`ve happened that Draper couldn`t perceive it clearly in that moment...I don`t know...But the empire should`ve seen it, that for sure, it was right in front of him...
No one talks about the possibility of ball hitting both the court and the racket at the same time. Then what? And I think that’s actually what happened.
Unfortunately, it is in the end, the umpires call. Please remember, most umpires only know the rules of tennis, but don’t really play. In this case, the umpire just can’t see what happened clearly, although, the ball came off Draper’s racquet in such a strange way, he should have understood something unusual occurred. I think the correct thing to do was for Draper to ask to replay the point. He definitely knows something was not right with how the ball came off the racquet. Regardless, Draper is not the one to make the call and FAA knows it. The umpire should have requested to see the replay so he was sure. He avoided answering FAA when asked if he was sure. Unfortunate for the umpire and tennis that this happened when a replay would have resolved the controversy. It is similar to having linesman still. This episode should never happen again if reviewed correctly. There is way too much money, time, and effort for everyone involved to allow such trivial events to occur when it could have been easily resolved by a more astute and honest umpire. He overestimated his own ability to comprehend what happened. Ugh!
if you pause the video at point of contact, you can see the ball is under his racquet frame as it touches the ground. It’s a minute touch but it means the racquet hit the ball into ground. You can also see Jack pretends to give the ball topspin afterwards to mimic the spin off ground.
@@theiconicaprojecttheiconic1892you can clearly see it hits the tip of the racket, goes to the ground! Point is then dead right there. Any average tennis player can see that
To me it looks like the ball only hit the ground once, and Jack hit the ball as the ball was touching the ground, which is fine. Then it looks like Jack hit the ball again when it was off the ground. But this might be a legal shot because you're allowed to hit the ball twice, as long as it's just one swing.
@@nimra1984 I played it at 0.25 too and I think it hit the ground first, or maybe at the same time as it hit the racket which is within the rules. The ball definitely didn't come off the ground and then touch the ground again, as far as I can see. Then he hit the ball again, which is within the rules too if it's the same swing. He moved his wrist backwards before the 2nd hit though... I'm not sure that that's classed as the same swing, even though his arm is always going forward.
@@nimra1984it does hit the ground first in the first frame and the ball is on the way up and his racket is right there 1mm away. The damning thing is that there is a whole other frame where the ball is on the ground bouncing UP at an angle towards the net this time and his racket is in the same place. No other possibility than hitting the bottom of his racket, the ground again, and then up and away.
Draper deserves to get the point, he hits a clear shot. The umpire is right. I really don't understand the issue here, neither do I understand people complaining... The ball hits the ground, bounces of Draper's racket and gets to Felix' side of the court. You can see all that on the video. Are you guys high or something?
Man just slow it down again by 0.25 and you will see it's double hit by Draper, first bottom of frame and then in the center if string bed, watch how racket reacts to ball hitting twice, it literally bends twice.
there aren't enough frames per second in the video. which micro second was jack looking at faa and btw what was his state of mind in that micro second, lol? i was a 100 feet away from jack when it happened and i do not know what happened. many of the other spectators said "what happened?" even tho they saw it with their own eyes. at my level we say "idk" let's replay the point again. their level requires a binary judgement on the spot. the replay was not put on the stadium tv's for a long time.
Tough call, ball definitely hits the ground and then his racket in very fast succession. It's difficult to tell from there if the force of impact/draper's forward momentum caused his racket to bounce back and contact the ball with the strings a second time. I can see where the umpire from his vantage point with the racket blocking his view of the ball may not have noticed it in real time. Draper for sure would have known/felt the difference. Felix had a case. This is where the replay technology could help if it was recording at a high enough frame rate to capture the movements of the ball and racket head with enough clarity and was also available in a situation like this. It's a bad look all around though.
@@whitwopjif you pause the video at point of contact, you can see the ball is under his racquet frame as it touches the ground. It’s a minute touch but it means the racquet hit the ball into ground. You can also see Jack pretends to give the ball topspin afterwards to mimic the spin off ground.
@@theiconicaprojecttheiconic1892 I have done and I am still unconvinced with all the assertions that it's a foul shot, IMO you cannot see that the ball hit the ground AFTER hitting the racquet. You also seem to know Jacks mindset too!? 'Pretends' is some accusation! People are entitled to disagree with you.
@@whitwopj of course you can disagree. But if you can’t see it, you’re looking for or at the wrong thing. Anyway it’s pretty much confirmed as a the wrong call by the sporting analysts.
No, it looked like fair hit to me, too. However, I agree with others who say that Draper's reaction after the call shows he himself thought it hit his racket first.
I can't tell from the video if it hit his racket first. Sports have these moments and, for all those criticizing Draper, Just know this "cheater" is in very good company. Maradonna's "hand of God" goal against England in the World Cup. Reggie Jackson of the Yankees once stepped out of the baseline running between the bases so the ball would hit him and disrupt a double play. Athletes high and low will do whatever they can get away with in competitions. Athletes' relationship with refs is to protest calls they dislike and urge them to make calls they do like. The use of replays in tennis is a must. I don't know why they don't use them everywhere.
It hit his racket first, then ground, then racket. Any player of Draper's caliber would know right away. He knew and proceeded to play dumb. Now the world knows of his poor sportsmanship.
Then, the bigger question, and the bigger controversy is, did Draper know it. I feel that from watching his reaction, he knew it but he didn’t not want to admit it. Although it is his right to remain silent on the issue and just let the umpire decide, I feel it is poor sportsmanship. FAA was very classy and handled it gracefully.
He also knew the call wouldn't be overturned anymore so he felt safe playing the innocent 'well, if you say it touched the ground, we'll replay' to the supervisor. Moments like these shows how much class players have.
Ofc draper knew
There's is absolutely, positively 0% chance that Draper didnt know. Even a club level player will immediately know that it feels completely different if you hit the ball twice like this. Very poor from Draper.
of course he knew, he's a pro.
He is a professional player. Do you think he knew? 😂
Just from Draper reaction after his shot, we know he knew what happened
That reaction could be because he might think the ball wouldn’t go over the net, maybe not because of the pounce, for it did touch the net before going over, hence the reactionary racquet raise to somehow tried to will it over. It’s a possibility though
Not really no. The disappointed reaction could be just because he knew he hit a poor shot, not because he knew it was an illegal shot.
Yeah, i am are not in his head, so I don’t know, but players don’t stop playing when the hit a bad shot usually
And then he lied about it
@@ChiNguyenHaiHaIf you've played enough you would know that you can feel that. He knew.
Draper repeatedly said, he didn't know he was looking at FAA, the replay shows him looking at the ball. And in my opinion his body language after the contact shows he doesn't think the ball is still in play, he's not staying on his toes and ready in case FAA gets to it.
if you can say that you obviously never played tennis in your miserable life! noww gtfo!!
Exactly. He is a looser, a cheater
the body language doesn't prove anything - it could be because he thought the ball wouldn't go over the net / would be easily put away for FAA...
Not only that, he’s already letting his racket handle slide through his hand, immediately after he plays the ball. Watch the long shot of the entire court in other videos. Not something you’d do if you thought it was an honest shot.
@@rogerrules123The book Unlimited power by Anthony Robbins says 70% of communication is body language so generally most of the time it is. The rest is 23% tone of voice, 13% verbal.
Thank you, this slow-mo version with the playback speed @ 25% confirmed to me what was difficult to see in other regular speed replays - that the *ball hits the bottom of the (Draper's) racquet frame first then bounces off the ground* (illegal shot) and then comes back and bounces off his racquet a 2nd time (double hit also illegal) and then up into the air towards the net
And in tennis TV they blurred this moment for some reason, in this channel it's clear that Draper hit it twice, first by frame, second in the middle of strings.
Double hit is not illegal in this case, dude
@@Kevin-mx3ed Show me the rule. Wouldn't matter anyway as the hit to the ground after the first racquet hit made it illegal anyway so the double hit is irrelevant
@@Kevin-mx3ed 1. Racket
2. Ground
3. Point is OVER
@Mike.A. Just google “tennis rule about double hit”. For some reason YT doesn’t allow me paste link over here
that has to be the WORST call i have ever seen in my life to end a match!! Shame on that umpire who needs a suspension
not being able to review something that's on national television is embarrassing
It was so hard to watch
Shame on draper the cheater too
same umpire in the fritz nakashima drama. fire this guy asap
And Jack knew damn well what he did , but just kept repeating “l was looking at him, l don’t know what happened”. He could’ve made it right but took the low road instead.
yep, you’re absolutely correct!
I was at this match. He was whining the whole time, obsessed with his hair, and looked like a bad actor playing dumb when he won the match bc he “was looking at FAA.”
@@user-or1xx2oo6j yep, i know exactly what you mean. so unfortunate
He didn't know and offered to reply the point. Jack was never gonna lose the match anyway.
@@tracycarroll3070 he knew. and at first he offered but then quickly changed to “it’s the umpire’s decision”
Why would anyone want to win a match on a point like that? Come on Draper.
umpire should be suspended, Draper should be ashamed of himself
Everybody playing tennis at a decent level can feel the double contact of a ball with a raquet.
Not only did it hit his racket and then the court, it hit his racket again before going over the net, so two violations that umpire missed. Draper had to know that was not a clean shot.
Unbelievable. You could tell just from the timing that something was wrong. The umpire needs to be suspended.
It seems there is never a consequence for umpires when they make a bad call
@@passionatetennis9149 and draper call a cheater for the rest of his career
USA should be banned from hosting anymore ATP and WTA tour competitions as punishment for its biases against Canadians, notably the Denis Shapovalov disqualification controversy in Washington and now a bad call against a black Tennis star like Felix Auger Aliassime.
If that official thinks that he can get away with taking advantage of Canadians, he's got another thing coming.
@@HalifaxHercules What an amazing chance for the racist ump to stick it to FAA! Prat...
@@HalifaxHercules yes, interestingly, Coco Gauff seems to be getting more than her fair share of bad calls as well, not that l care for her - actually, l don’t, but l despise racism. I wonder if the WTA/ATP tours could benefit from some serious vetting of their umpires.
Draper has shown in front of the most honest contestant in the top 20 (with Rudd and Fritz), Felix, what a dishonest opportunist he is. The public will always remember and that ref is already one of the most hated refs, incompetent ref on the tour. BTW Felix never breaks his racket...out of fury or out of selfish frivolous egotistic reasons.
Felix was clearly right in this case, the ball hits the frame of Draper's racket, bounces into the court, then hits his racket again before going up. Draper, was likely watching Felix's movement after anticipating where the ball would be, which is typical for a half volley and most shots to split one's attention between the ball and where one's opponent is to find a winning shot. It probably felt like a double hit to him, which is only legal in tennis if it occurs in the same motion. Umpire missed the call. Felix was right, Draper wasn't looking at the ball after he hit it and had no way to know whether it hit the court because of the double hit. Had there been no double hit, the ball would have had back spin given the angle of Jack's racket (this same situation occurred in another professional tennis match a few years ago), so Jack wouldn't know based off the ball's spin. In sum, Felix was right, Jack was watching Felix's movement and not the ball after hitting it and legitimately did not know if it bounced into his court before going over due to the double hit (racket-ground-racket), and the umpire missed the call.
Draper can concede the point if he wants to, other players do that for fair play & sportsmanship! He instead put the burden to the umpire because he knows it favors him.
The replay shows that the ball hits Draper's racket first, then the ground. Bad umpiring -- but Draper should have offered to replay the point .
disgraceful sportsmanship from draper !
It should be added - amazing sportsmanship from Félix
Jack knew that he hit the ball twice, first with the frame and second after it bounced. He made it to the next round but lost many fans.
Terrible mistake, poor Felix, in super slow motion you can see ball first touches bottom frame of racket, and then goes up and touches in the middle of strings, Draper pushes it by inertia and it goes up and forward, Draper definitely felt it, but behaved like he didn't understand what happened. However it's not his fault, umpire should be fired ASAP, bad thief.
Felix was super classy but Draper would have gained a lot of respect by admitting that the ball hit the ground off of his racket. He knew.
I think the best thing to do is to set the playback at 0.25, but then play and pause yourself frame by frame. It does seem that the ball initially hits his racket and goes straight down to the ground. That impact forces his racket back a bit , upon which he then rehits the ball back upwards.
Correct
Thank you! Appreciate your fact-checked analysis
I see the ball hitting the court surface slightly before (or at the same time as) making contact with Draper's racket and I don't see any second contact. This is a legitimate shot.
"Straight off the racquet, into the ground" - Draper knew it was illegal. Not shown on this video, but look at the trajectory the ball takes on the way back up and over (after hitting the top of the net) to FAA's side. That's not the trajectory of a normal pick up volley.
Yup he knew the ball hit his racket twice.
That's allowed if it's one swing.
@@marykistnen6837 yeah I read up on this after I posted, thanks! The more you know. It did hit the ground after the first hit Draper would have known that as well, IMO.
La pelota toca la raqueta, luego el suelo y nuevamente la raqueta, eso no está permitido@@marykistnen6837
Did the ball hit the racquet and then the ground and then hit the racquet again before going over ?
@@passionatetennis9149 I think yes, I’m only not sure if it hit the racquet again after hitting the ground
correct.
No!
@@marykistnen6837 then what happened ?
Yes.
So many people in these comments either don’t know rules of tennis or they are not watching the video correctly or both.
The point belongs to Felix. There is no question about this. It’s incontrovertible.
Explanation for those who don’t understand why:
Here is what happened and you can clearly see it on slow motion video replay…
The ball hit Jack Draper‘s tennis racquet and then it bounced down and touched the ground. At that point it’s done. The point is over.
It’s OVER.
Point to Felix.
It does not matter what happens after that. Yes some freaky shit happened in the next few milliseconds. But again, THAT DOES NOT MATTER. The point is over.
Let’s review:
The ball hit Jack Draper’s racket and then touched the ground. The point is over. That is the end of the point. It should have been 40-40 at that time.
For those in the audience, who still don’t get it, let’s review again:
The ball hit Jack Draper’s racket, and then it touched the ground. The point is over. Felix wins the point.
Some of you are still saying “but I saw the ball hit Draper’s racket and then go over the net! So Jack should win the point!”
Yes, you did see that happen. I also saw that happen. But if you watch the video in slow motion, you will see that all of that happened after the ball touched the ground on Jack’s side of the court AFTER hitting his racket. It might be a little confusing because it happened very very quickly. Watch it again and you’ll see.
The ball touched his racket, and then it touched the ground. Point over.
Yes in a freak accident the tennis ball bounced up and hit his racket again for a SECOND time and went over the net. But that doesn’t matter. That will never matter.
The point is over the moment the ball touched the ground on his side of the net after touching his racket.
I understand that this happened very quickly and it might’ve been impossible for the umpire to see for sure what happened without looking at a replay.
But Felix saw it happen, and he knew it was his point. And Draper was looking down at the ball, despite his claim that he wasn’t, and he should’ve felt it hit the ground and then bounce up and hit his racket a second time. Yes, he may have been concentrating on not falling over or not hurting his knee while running forward quickly, or a million other maybes, so maybe he didn’t realize what happened.
In this case, I cannot blame the umpire for his decision because he is not allowed to use instant replay. If he looked at a replay and then changed the call that would be breaking the rules so the rules need to be fixed to allow instant replay.
It should’ve been a point to Felix. It was one in 1 million freak accident that it bounced up at the racket again and went over the net.
Perhaps Jack Draper will have to live with it the rest of his career, being thought of as a cheater. But I don’t think he was cheating. I’m not sure if he knew exactly what happened. Maybe we’ll never know if he knew.
But WE know. We KNOW! We have instant replay videos in slow motion.
We have TRUTH.
We have CERTAINTY.
We have peaceful sleep knowing that the ball hit the ground after it hit the racquet. We will always have this truth. It can guide us like a light through the darkest times of our lives, it can give us peace of mind and even help us to learn humility and compassion for our fellow humans.
I know it’s been hard these two days. But we got through it together and we are stronger for having fought the battles even if we lost in the end.
Peace my friend. May your serves fly straight (unless they are kick serves), and may your volleys land inside the lines.
This is the funniest sh#t I read in a while. You are a GOD! :)
Too funny, but Draper knew. That is why he wanted a let. That is why he was shocked when the umpire said game set match. Anyone who has ever played tennis knows the different feel between a half volley and a shank into the ground, puleeeeeease !
@@tweeweekes5309 I think you are correct!
unbelievable. Cheating is essentially allowed in tennis, especially at the junior level
Great half volley by Draper 👍🏾😁
Funny the ball actually hit the racket frame, then the ground, then the stringbed, which also changed the trajectory and may have given it a bit of a "half-volley look" - but still the sound of the ball deflected straight i to the court should've given it away and made it obvious to any experienced player. Obviously Craig Allensworth doesn't play that much tennis.
Should have been Felix point. I'm bummed for my guy. And not saying he would have won but still would have given him a fighting chance after a great match. He'll be okay though, good things happen to good people.
No they don't. What planet are you on? 🤡😆
I don’t see what’s disqualifying the shot - can someone explain?
The ball hit the ground after hitting his racket, then bounced over the net
The reason they don’t eliminate the margin of error by using cameras only when gamblings involved trickery will be close by
it took me a while to undeestand: draper hits the ball with the frame at the exact momment the ball touches the ground, the ball bounces slgtly then draper hits the ball a second time with the string bed.
Yes, Draper hits the ball with the frame the exact moment the ball touches the ground. To those that don't know, that's allowed, it's a half volley.
I'm not sure whether Draper hits the ball a second time, as I can't see the ball touch the strings exactly especially in the 0,25 motion, but it looks like he could have hit the ball again due to the flight of the ball, but then again the flight of the ball could have been very bizarre due to the ball hitting the frame as the ball is touching the ground.
@@marykistnen6837no he just hits it with the frame and then it goes down and bounces up again
@@marykistnen6837just watch how racket reacts, first hit and second hit, it's double hit.
@@Prosto.Dastan A double hit is allowed if it's one swing of the racket. It was one swing of the racket, so this is a legitimate shot.
@@marykistnen6837 1. Racket
2. Ground
3. Point is OVER
Can someone please explain more what happened? I watched the video many times, but since it is not a super slow motion, I have trouble catching exactly what happened. Thanks!
@@passionatetennis9149 on match point felix hit a volley which seems to have bounced before Draper hit it, Felix was asking for a review but umpire was confident in his call and didn’t allow replay
It hit the bottom of the racket and went into the ground before going up.
The hit Draper racquet and then hit the ground, which is illegal. You can slow down to video to see it better.
It's hard to see because it happens almost simultaneously, but the ball hits the frame of his racquet and then the ground. And he hits the ball twice with his racquet.
So 1. the ball can't hit your side of the court after it touches your racquet
and 2. you can't hit the ball twice in a row before it crosses back over the net.
@@chrissioufi925 so it should’ve been a clear replay why didn’t he allow it
yup, the ball hit draper's racket twice, but yeah it was a hard situation, because i saw the replay, so the score 40-40
The ball can hit the racket twice as long as it's one swing of the racket. So this is a legal shot. Lots are saying the ball hit the racket then the ground. I'm definite that the ball only hit the ground once. It was a half volley with the ball hitting the frame and then the strings which is fine because it's one swing. Ref was correct.
@@marykistnen6837 Hello there. You are somehow right and wrong at the same time I believe. You are correct about the fact that hitting the ball twice with one swing is legal and I also agree with you that the ball bounced only once on the ground. Although, the ball bounced on the court after it touched Draper's racquet, which automatically makes the shot illegal, no matter what happened after that. (At least that's what I see on the slowmo footage)
Shame of player and bad referee
The ball can hit the racket twice as long as it's one swing of the racket. So this is a legal shot. Lots are saying the ball hit the racket then the ground. I'm definite that the ball only hit the ground once. It was a half volley with the ball hitting the frame and then the strings which is fine because it's one swing. Ref was correct.
No, you’re not understanding it at all. It has nothing to do with a double hit. The ball hit his racket and then touched the ground. the point is over. It doesn’t matter what happens after that. If you watch in very slow motion the ball hit his racket and then touches the ground. End of point.
@@kylecurryyt No it was ground then racket then net.
Shocked Draper didn’t call that on himself.
Hit the tip of his racket, bounced to the floor then back to his racket and went over, that’s clearly illegal. Doesn’t need slow motion to see it, you can clearly see it in this video. If you can’t see it, you are bad at tennis
it is too much difficult for Drapper to know that
Clearly a half volley off the frame. 100% legit. Good call by the umpire. The ball does not bounce twice. It maybe gets squashed a little under the frame but no rule against that.
Exactly!
Clever channel name!!
The last words of the commentator "into the gr___s" - I cannot hear the final word, sounds like with starts with "gr" and ends with "s"? Please tell us what that word is? Very hard to tell for sure, but looks to me like a legitimate half volley??? Video quality seems poor at that exact moment. Not sure why everyone is down on the referee when it so hard to see even when watching the video several times.
if you pause the video at point of contact, you can see the ball is under his racquet frame as it touches the ground. It’s a minute touch but it means the racquet hit the ball into ground. You can also see Jack pretends to give the ball topspin afterwards to mimic the spin off ground.
@barryzeeberg3672 "into the ground"
@@theiconicaprojecttheiconic1892 The ball only hit the ground once. It's a half volley whether his racket is on top of the ball or not.
I don't think Jack had to pretend anything. Anyway it would have all happened too quickly to compute all that in his head.
@@marykistnen6837you’ve not understood what I said. It can’t be a half volley if his frame edges the ball into the ground before going back over the net
As soon as the point was over the tv announcer said "No, no, no, surely that's gone down into the court, surely"...and then a few minutes later when they are watching the slow motion replay the one announcer says "Yeah I mean pretty obvious for everyone to see that it was just straight off the racquet and into the ground"
Porque no se revisó la imagen?
Yes, it doesn't make sense, since they have the video why not?
You can feel it on racquet, there is no doubt about it, and Draper could feel it..The only question is psychological moment, because it was highly intense moment, match point, so it could`ve happened that Draper couldn`t perceive it clearly in that moment...I don`t know...But the empire should`ve seen it, that for sure, it was right in front of him...
The ball has topspin after contact. It means not up or shank into the ground. No need to freeze frame anything. Simple physics.
No such thing as simple physics, unless you're a simpleton...
@@TesseractPleiadesOrion Sorry that you find such concepts more than simple.
Draper....a false poor cheating player ....every shame and unluck on to him...in some way he will pay this behaviour, be sure
It is unfair from Draper, he should admit what happened. It will briing him only bad luck in the future games. This is bad karma.
No one talks about the possibility of ball hitting both the court and the racket at the same time. Then what? And I think that’s actually what happened.
Yes, that's what's happened and it's a half-volley.
It hit floor and then racket, and then again racket, Draper hit it twice, watch slow motion.
@@Prosto.Dastan Hitting the ball twice is allowed as long as it's one swing. So this is a legitimate shot.
Unfortunately, it is in the end, the umpires call. Please remember, most umpires only know the rules of tennis, but don’t really play. In this case, the umpire just can’t see what happened clearly, although, the ball came off Draper’s racquet in such a strange way, he should have understood something unusual occurred. I think the correct thing to do was for Draper to ask to replay the point. He definitely knows something was not right with how the ball came off the racquet. Regardless, Draper is not the one to make the call and FAA knows it. The umpire should have requested to see the replay so he was sure. He avoided answering FAA when asked if he was sure. Unfortunate for the umpire and tennis that this happened when a replay would have resolved the controversy. It is similar to having linesman still. This episode should never happen again if reviewed correctly. There is way too much money, time, and effort for everyone involved to allow such trivial events to occur when it could have been easily resolved by a more astute and honest umpire. He overestimated his own ability to comprehend what happened. Ugh!
Looked like a half volley to me?
Exactly! And off the frame too.
if you pause the video at point of contact, you can see the ball is under his racquet frame as it touches the ground. It’s a minute touch but it means the racquet hit the ball into ground. You can also see Jack pretends to give the ball topspin afterwards to mimic the spin off ground.
@@theiconicaprojecttheiconic1892you can clearly see it hits the tip of the racket, goes to the ground! Point is then dead right there. Any average tennis player can see that
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@@thingsended exactly, completely agree
To me it looks like the ball only hit the ground once, and Jack hit the ball as the ball was touching the ground, which is fine.
Then it looks like Jack hit the ball again when it was off the ground. But this might be a legal shot because you're allowed to hit the ball twice, as long as it's just one swing.
The ball clearly hit the bottom of Draper racquet before touching the ground, watch it again
If you play it at 0.25 speed you can clearly see it hits the racket and THEN hit the ground. There are two frames back to back.
@@arlo.infinityI played it at 0.25 why does it look like it hit the ground first then his racket?
@@nimra1984 I played it at 0.25 too and I think it hit the ground first, or maybe at the same time as it hit the racket which is within the rules. The ball definitely didn't come off the ground and then touch the ground again, as far as I can see.
Then he hit the ball again, which is within the rules too if it's the same swing. He moved his wrist backwards before the 2nd hit though... I'm not sure that that's classed as the same swing, even though his arm is always going forward.
@@nimra1984it does hit the ground first in the first frame and the ball is on the way up and his racket is right there 1mm away. The damning thing is that there is a whole other frame where the ball is on the ground bouncing UP at an angle towards the net this time and his racket is in the same place. No other possibility than hitting the bottom of his racket, the ground again, and then up and away.
Doesn’t the back spinning of the resultant ball indicate that it was a half volley? If it was racket into ground then it should be topspin
Perfect .
Draper deserves to get the point, he hits a clear shot. The umpire is right. I really don't understand the issue here, neither do I understand people complaining... The ball hits the ground, bounces of Draper's racket and gets to Felix' side of the court. You can see all that on the video. Are you guys high or something?
Man just slow it down again by 0.25 and you will see it's double hit by Draper, first bottom of frame and then in the center if string bed, watch how racket reacts to ball hitting twice, it literally bends twice.
draper very poor. no role model for all kids that are watching
Draper is a good guy, but this was a mistake in judgement by him. The umpire on the other hand must be fired. First Shapovalov, then Fritz then this.
there aren't enough frames per second in the video. which micro second was jack looking at faa and btw what was his state of mind in that micro second, lol? i was a 100 feet away from jack when it happened and i do not know what happened. many of the other spectators said "what happened?" even tho they saw it with their own eyes. at my level we say "idk" let's replay the point again. their level requires a binary judgement on the spot. the replay was not put on the stadium tv's for a long time.
Tough call, ball definitely hits the ground and then his racket in very fast succession. It's difficult to tell from there if the force of impact/draper's forward momentum caused his racket to bounce back and contact the ball with the strings a second time. I can see where the umpire from his vantage point with the racket blocking his view of the ball may not have noticed it in real time. Draper for sure would have known/felt the difference. Felix had a case. This is where the replay technology could help if it was recording at a high enough frame rate to capture the movements of the ball and racket head with enough clarity and was also available in a situation like this. It's a bad look all around though.
Yeah, Draper dribbled.
Not in tennis, my friend.
Suspend the Ump.
I run the footage at 0.25 speed and could not find out the ball bounced the court twice. I think that was a clean point for Draper
I'm didn't see Nothing wrong, ball hits ground racket and went over
Cheap way to win a match
Doesn’t seem obvious to me. Hard for me personally to tell.
Golpea 2 veces la pelota-
Draper’s a cheat!
Draper’s a cheat.
Lost all respect i had for Draper , he clearly knew it was double bounce and should have conceded the point , what a piece of sheet !!
Says you, a 🤡😆
In the era of alternative facts Draper shows maximal unfair behaviour
Judgement call. Tbh unless i see the replay in super slow motion, shot seems legal
Watched it over and over again, looks a legal shot
@@whitwopjif you pause the video at point of contact, you can see the ball is under his racquet frame as it touches the ground. It’s a minute touch but it means the racquet hit the ball into ground. You can also see Jack pretends to give the ball topspin afterwards to mimic the spin off ground.
@@theiconicaprojecttheiconic1892
@@theiconicaprojecttheiconic1892 I have done and I am still unconvinced with all the assertions that it's a foul shot, IMO you cannot see that the ball hit the ground AFTER hitting the racquet. You also seem to know Jacks mindset too!? 'Pretends' is some accusation! People are entitled to disagree with you.
@@whitwopj of course you can disagree. But if you can’t see it, you’re looking for or at the wrong thing. Anyway it’s pretty much confirmed as a the wrong call by the sporting analysts.
Shame on Draper. Classless.
Am i only one that thinks it was legal?
No, it looked like fair hit to me, too. However, I agree with others who say that Draper's reaction after the call shows he himself thought it hit his racket first.
You two are complete ldiits
I can't tell from the video if it hit his racket first. Sports have these moments and, for all those criticizing Draper, Just know this "cheater" is in very good company. Maradonna's "hand of God" goal against England in the World Cup. Reggie Jackson of the Yankees once stepped out of the baseline running between the bases so the ball would hit him and disrupt a double play. Athletes high and low will do whatever they can get away with in competitions. Athletes' relationship with refs is to protest calls they dislike and urge them to make calls they do like. The use of replays in tennis is a must. I don't know why they don't use them everywhere.
It hit his racket first, then ground, then racket. Any player of Draper's caliber would know right away. He knew and proceeded to play dumb. Now the world knows of his poor sportsmanship.
CHEEEEAAATTTTEERRRR!!!! everywhere all cameras!! internet never forget shame on you
This doesn’t clear anything up at all.
I completely lost any respect for draper. He said, he was looking at Felix. We can clearly see he was looking at the ball. Cheater
Tennis players are taught to look at the ball when making contact, plus there was a back spin off the net. Happened to Roger years ago too.