How Robots Will Help Humans Conquer The Moon
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- Опубликовано: 4 июн 2024
- When humans will return to the Moon they will need a lot of assistance to set up a settlement and carry out all the missions. They will need a lot of robots to do that. How exactly will it pan out? Figuring out with Professor Yang Gao from King's College London.
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00:00 Intro
02:48 Future Moon equipment
13:57 Autonomous robots
23:46 Machine learning revolution
32:25 Self-replication
38:09 Current obsessions
46:13 Final thoughts and more interviews
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Your questions were way more fascinating than her vague answers.
Good point.. i think the blurb is still far from reality
Because I am someone of limited intellect, or as Winnie the Pooh would say A bear of very little brain, I was pleased her answers were not to high over my head.
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You really tried, Fraser. I could almost feel your pain as you continued to try to get her to make an actual detail-specific response in the most polite ways possible. She is definitely a master of meaningless answers.
She's not there to give details of a plan, but an idea based on logical conclusions and extrapolations of the current world. For the details I suggest you get to work if you want something done.
@@paulmichaelfreedman8334 Sure. I agree with you. Her job was clearly not to give detailed answers to Fraser's specifically tailored questions. But speaking as an engineer, I can tell when someone is deliberately evading meaningful answers. Any engineer, with actual answers, would say them. She sounded more like a tenured professor that depends upon her grad students generating the research and publications upon which her lab depends for funding, without knowing any of the details involved of said research generated by her grad students. As for working on my own answers, I am. I acknowledge that I am not famous enough to go on interviews though.
@@boots4yew Yeah, gotta agree with you there. What kind of engineer are you, out of curiosity?
@@paulmichaelfreedman8334 My roots are mechanical engineering but I started out as a physics student. My research focus these days is in 3D printing. Currently working on an alternative approach to create industrialy inexpensive metal printing. I work for the private sector now. So, unfortunately, I cannot give more specific details.
On the moon it's handy to have a robot to walk the dog. But Seriously, the biggest problem is going to be regolith grinding down the gears in its joints. That stuff is the definition of abrasive.
The key is the seals. The Apollo suits were recked in 3 days.
@@johnthomasriley2741 Agrred, and we will see how the solutions hold up. But I think it's going to be an ongoing issue, suits wearing out fast and needing regular replacement. Unless you develop a large enough swath of moonscape that is free of any large quantities of loose regolith. Turns out, regolith is ideal for making concrete. And it can be mined for metals and other precious elements. It even contains most of the ingredients for making steel - Starship factory on the moon anyone?
That will be a problem as well as adequate shielding for the computers that run them.
The Moon is a much tougher environment for "space radiation". Way too many charged particles that can destroy our typical earh bound computers.
Do you know where the Moon dust came from? There are no earthlike forms of erosion on the Moon. Micro-meteorites are thought to be mostly responsible, but we also know that ultra high speed particles cause physical damage.
Solar radiation has no barriers on the Moon. No atmosphere or protective magnetic fields. The magnetic field on the Moon is very weak so it doesn't provide much protection.
@@professorg8383 The regolith came to be , first through volcanic activity, the glass then shattering though heating and cooling, resulting in what it is now. High speed particles would do the damage on the smaller scales.
@@paulmichaelfreedman8334 No doubt there was frozen volcanic lava that got broken down. As for heating and cooling shattering the lava, not exactly "glass", But theories about the exact mechanisms involved are still somewhat questionable. A lot of it is very, very small particles. Talcum powder like. As I understand it, there is still questions about how it was broken up so fine. Solar particle bombardments has not been ruled out. I could be wring, but I think this is one of those things that doesn't have a complete explanation.
But my point was mainly about the destructive nature of solar radiation on electronics
This is one of my favorite topics in the new space era and I was very excited to listen to this interview. Now I know that anesthesia can also be delivered through human speech.
Today I learned to hold my finger on the screen for 2xx speed..
yes, me too! The lady was a little to general and superficial - as sometimes the scientists are - . so basically i did not learn any substaincial things. most of what she said was just too general. I skiped the video after 50%. it was too boring.
This his wife my friendly. Make respect my dear. He try his best his branes
@@RanjakarPatel cells of brain lose did I when read posting comment from the fingertips of thee
😂 I just learnt that too and she sounds normal at 2x speed
We already have a robot that washes dishes.
It's called a dishwasher.
Fraser, you have made a positive impact in my life
2x for the Win......
An occasional ‘Fraser’s Dreams’ segment would be really cool.
We’re twenty years ahead of where I thought we’d be and I’m terrified. I really appreciate the steady drip of optimism from my favorite Canadian on the internet.
Great work, I wouldn't be able to have put together an interview like you do. You're able to deviated the conversation into futuristic topics and keep the scientist comfortable with the conversation. Keep up the good work
1.5 speed a must
Or you can just shift down your brain a gear for a bit. Smoke a joint. Why is everyone in a rush nowadays?
@@paulmichaelfreedman8334 the question really should be why is everyone, specifically you, so rude and have to make mean spirited comments to put people down? Please join civilized society, you need help. Your family or kids would be ashamed if they read your comment and probably all your other rude comments. Please stay away
Suggest people watch side-by-side some videos of the Apollo lunar EVAs vs. ISS EVAs. It quickly becomes obvious that astronauts working in the 1/6g of the Moon are VASTLY more effective, more effective , and more comfortable than astronauts working in microgravity. For the simple reason that humans evolved in a gravity field over millions of years, with zero experience in microgravity. This is an important factor that is commonly overlooked.
doh, more effective and more efficient.
"Water ice for beathing" sounds so absurd outside of this context.
Such great conversations on this channel
you are an inspiration fraser
Robots + AI. Eventually, we'll be able to send a whole fleet of robots wherever we want, and in time, they'll be able to build everything we need to humans to show up and live, do research, etc.
Robots will be the pioneers of the future, where humans will follow.
dont forget to pack the 3d printers ... youre welcome
Very interesting interview and future vision. Thank you.
Yes!!! Fraser, love your videos man :)
I like the idea of robots building more robots. We can't make computer chips in space but if the robots can build the body we can make the computer chips and boards on Earth. The robots can do the final assembly. This would be more cost-effective than building the entire robot on Earth.
English isn’t her native language so a lot of forgiveness is allocated. However, inflection is cross cultural an no excuse for being boring. Can you imagine having her as a professor? Such a fun topic. Please take another stab at it when you can. I’m sure there are a boat load of other enthusiastic experts out there!
Right know we are on the verge of an industrial revolution in space. Hopefully that process doesn’t take too long so we can move on to the next phase.
This interview reminded me a bit of the Delta-V series by Daniel Suarez that I just finished reading (slight spoilers ahead). In it they do asteroid (and lunar) mining via humanoid telepresence robots utilizing very high quality virtual/alternate reality interfaces. So in the series the majority of "surface" operations are conducted by operators on a spaceship safe behind radiation shielding and in spin gravity but basically acting like they're on the surface via VR interfaces. For operations on the moon, they also used software to effectively mask the effects of lower gravity by dampening the VR inputs so it feels to the operator much more like operating in normal earth gravity.
The idea is that it gets around some of the issues with AI (trustworthiness, decision making, etc.) without actually exposing astronauts to excessive harm. You also get the human ingenuity that AIs seem to lack (at least so far) able to quickly respond to various things. Theoretically (spoiler, like in the book when you have a spin gravity space station at moon L2) it also allows you to have someone who is trained as a miner as opposed to trained as an astronaut to operate the robot since the person just needs to be close enough to have very low light lag to the robot so there's not much input lag.
Obviously it's a sci-fi book and relies on some tech advances we haven't seen yet, but conceptually it's an interesting idea and way to utilize robots
We've had robots that can wash dishes for us for decades.
They're called "dishwashers" and have been deployed at scale in much of the developed world.
Until they actually clean up the countertops and load the machine, we're not there yet
This was great! It would be smart to be able to recycle broken or miscreated 3D printed robots. Wouldn't want to waste all that material.
The concept of connectedness/awareness within the spacesuit via feedback systems of autonomous or even manned equipment eg. construction or mining equipment operating nearby to a lunar astronaut is an important point - on Earth we are aware of machines around us by their sound when out of sight (& with limited peripheral vision in a helmet); there will be no situational awareness noise on the moon when operating outside of habitats, making the risk of accidents that much greater than on Earth.
This was great 🌌🚀👨🚀
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a team of atlas bots building habitats on mars and the moon, how cool wouldnt that be?
A wasteland of broken down robots and scattered robot parts some seemingly caught up in mid motion, frozen forever. Oh that lunar dust; that damn lunar dust.
Can I suggest that the robots on the moon have self-righting mechanisms, if only to prove mankind learns from its' mistakes.
I always love the interviews! Prof. Gao did nothing to assuage my concerns about what AI is going do to society in the short and long term.
By the time of the lunar colony construction, I think robots will be capable of doing the whole thing by themselves with little or no human supervision.
My guess is that robots will actually build the first settlements but with human supervision until they become proficient enough to do it alone - which could take some time.
You are advocating Von Neumann machines. Have you read Beserker by Fred Saberhagen ?
What an awesome idea!
Robots add a dimension of possibilities.
As long as we never set into motion self replicating machines that create a collective consciousness with survival instincts.
Yeah. I like the idea of people on the Moon again, but robots working to prepare for their arrival make a lot of sense, even if we have to wait a few more years, they will be able to do more when they eventually arrive, thanks to the robotic prep work.
I welcome our robotic overlords. I bet none of them end up as flat earthers.
That depends on what kind of AI is used for these tasks. I think it's best to keep it to an input-output transformer-like AI. AGI (according to the proper definition) would NOT be the best choice for dirty work.
What’s the difference between Boeing’s Orion capsule and their Star Liner? Why has star liner been such a long journey but Orion was ready first?
I used to own a vintage automaton from 1932 called Gypsy Grandma It was a fortune teller arcade machine that moved her head and hands and gave you a card with your fortune on it. I think we are still there
I wonder if they could do some local cloud computing. Like, maybe have a hardened computing container that would be the offloaded brain for any robots that connects to it. That way if any robots needed more power the others could temporarily disconnect.
But, the creation of more efficient AI algorithms would have benefits for Earth as well.
Assuming a black hole spins at the speed of light would the centrifigal force at some point or elevation offset the gravity, and thus the compression on a unit of matter?
139 comments and one more.
(I love robots)
(In all eras)
(Even parrallel timelines where I'm totally different I still love robots)
i wish we would go back to calling them robits like in the olde days.
instead of this, How about how Robots Will Help us Humans on the EARTH ?!?
Very interesting interview Fraser, i know some people thought talking to the Good Doctor was like pulling teeth. I think the Doctor only really deal's in facts and doesn't really indulge in speculation. I spent one of the longest hours of my life with a mathematician and a lawyer it reminded me of the Good Doctor answers. Interesting but not so exciting I'm not sure she will go down that well at the Comedy Store!!! . PEACE AND LOVE TO EVERYONE ❤❤.
autonomous operation isnt required for lunar operations... have the rovers controlled like drones from Utah
I couldnt after 10min.
I appreciate your effort in terms of talking to scientists, but sometimes you have to keep your mind on the content and delivery first.
The volatile mining will be done in the dark at cryogenic temperatures.
When FC mentioned the robots saving us all at the end of the interview, I could not help but think it depends on who owns the robots. If it is someone like Bernie Sanders we'll be okay, but its more likely to be Elon, or Bezos.
In other words, we're screwed my dudes. 😳
What will be the substrate of the Chinese lunar 3d printer?
Regolith. Pulverized Moon rocks
If my brain worked like it used to I'd start a company making very cheap machines that require constant feedback.
A typical 'robot' used in manufacture is very precise and very expensive but AI can remove most of those needs. I am able to use a saw to cut wood to high precision and yet don't have 1% of a robots precision ... because I can respond to feedback.
A robot that can watch what is doing and adjust to give the right result would be very cheap and very capable.
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Hi Frasier. I have a question: so the plan to send starship hls to the surface of the moon. The astronauts suit up, take the external elevator down to the surface, and when finished, hop on the elevator. What happens if the elevator fails, and these astronauts, low on oxygen, are stuck three stories down from the entrance? There is no rescue craft, no rocket boots... what is the solution?
@Rory... Come on! This is manned aerospace. There are/will be backups to the backups. Don't lose sleep over EASY engineering "problems" like this.
R(h)ope
The moon is already "conquered". Structures on the dark side of the moon hmmm 🤔?
She's so vague, anyone can come say robots need to be guided by humans. Theres the recap. You're welcome
No way of Co-working!!!. My ExoPods will be FULLY autonomous and self repairing. They do carry spare parts and tools for the work needed. By 2033, there will be more of 50 units of these and we can talk to them as they work or so surveys for us. All simulator trained first then insitu/local proximity training on live video. Each has 3 360deg cameras, plus tri-directional short range for frontal working on mutiple arms....He3 mining baby ....
The image at ~ 0:30 gave me some ideas!
If we were to indeed construct some permanent moon bases, such that the human habitation/ construction areas on the moon eventually became visible from earth, I wonder how this would affect the reality-deniers here... Those idiots who think we've never/ could never go to the moon would need to re-examine their delusions. The flat earthers out there who also think that 'space is a myth,' they'd also need to update their delusions. And so forth and so on...
It would certainly make arguments much more comical.
But we already know that these delusions aren't based on rational positions and intellectual deduction, so really, we shouldn't expect this to change. Even if these reality-deniers could see various constructions on the moon, as well as artificial lights here and there, they would- no doubt- insist that the moon is a hologram! If your opponent can insist that a blue sky isn't really blue, there's really no point in engaging with such people...
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Like to see nasa flood mars with boston dynamics Spots rebots all over mars transit video pictures. Apply solar power on rebots some how.
She would argue. Ok
i hope this is not taken the wrong way, but i'm never sure if the reason the answers are vague is because the work hasn't progressed beyond the "common sense" stage yet...or because the interviewee tries to formulate his thoughts in the most basic of language (like talking to children).
i suspect this audience would like a bit more in dept discussions, even if just for a 10min segment towards the end maybe.
just a bit of constructive criticism.
Fraser, you really tried. Can't win em all though
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Just find it strange how there's so many delays and obstacles to setting foot on the moon given it was supposedly achieved 50 years ago. You'd almost think SpaceX was given a task that NASA could rely on to not be achieved anytime soon and thus be the fall guy for perpetual delays. The first proof of concept should have been on earth in an insulated environment, then on the moon and then on Mars etc. The whole moon base reeks. Let's see if they do it before 2029 or 2069.
That's what happens when you let yourself get rusty for sixty years. You lose valuable skills and knowledge. Besides this is entirely different mission parameters. We aren't going to just step foot on the moon. We're going to set up a permanent base and industry.
I’m not gonna be rude so all I can say is listen to it at 1.25x speed. Improves the listening experience.
0:40 John Madden
Never had I heard a more boring conversation on such an interesting topic!
I hope the Europeans and the Chinese also join the scientific space age. ❤
China has a space station Europe's got ESA
Question: Last night out of nowhere this question surfaced in my mind. How far have we traveled around the milky way since the onset of humans? Does this perspective limit our ability to truly understand our universe?
Has anyone heard news from the research team doing A.I communication. Trying to answer.....????
Can A.I help us talk to Flat Earther's
By jove people are starting to figure out the true long-term plan. It's almost like there's a reason the boring company drill fits almost perfectly inside of starship. It's almost like everything is designed for a Mars colony. Electric vehicles that don't need oxygen, a boring company machine that builds the walls of the tunnel, humanoid robots... But they still need heavy construction equipment.
I wonder if Elon mentioned something in the last financial live stream about anything involving another product coming up that would need to be able to be fully automated... Maybe almost everyone missed him talking about another product that could be fully automated....
Aside from heavy construction equipment, I can't think of anything else.....
When are people going to put two and two together
Bots colonizing moon.
Robots will help us conquer the moon, mars, the whole solar system and then us..
the rots come march one byone.. one hurray! advatage to being a robot is they do not have to stop to scartch thier bum but might have to inorder to llok more human stop to tie their shoes.
sorry the robots
'Conquer' seems a tad too much. Kind of implies glorious slaughter of worthy enemies. Here it's justs bots and rocks. Meh.
Why don't robots have the right to hallucinate and do drugs, technically they can't be harmed by it so why would you stop them don't they have some rights or do they not probably have any free will?
Nothing has "free will".
@@smeeself although you have made the choice to comment, by choice, because you wanted to, which is the definition of "free will" but you could always pretend that "free will" isn't analogous to choice but is infact a literal truth in which case "free" is never ever free and the whole statement falls apart.
Thats if you pretend that choice isn't a thing and that free really means "free" which it never does, ever.
Pick one, it's your choice.
@JamesCairney Definition of free will;
Free will in philosophy and science is, the supposed power or capacity of humans to make decisions or perform actions independently of any prior event or state of the universe.
- Encyclopaedia Britannica.
@@smeeself thanks for choosing to verify my point.
@@JamesCairney Your personal definition fails to incorporate "... independently of any prior event or state of the universe."
First!
Slow talker. Nice lady, but....
First
Lol chinese tofu dreg construction on the moon? Can't wait
Fraser! I knew you were skeptical of Starship, but didn't think you'd stoop to dispairiging them and spreading fear and lies. I'm 99% sure you KNOW Starship won't put methane into the atmosphere, but you blurted out (@ 36:32) about, "...imagining this dystopian future with hundreds of SpaceX Starships taking off every day belching methane into the atmosphere to to drop stuff on the moon..." Seriously! 🤨
Upon review, you DID put that out as ideas coming forth from OTHER people's imaginings, so I don't think YOU really think that; but just tossing that out there without clarification is...unsettling. ♥✌
How uninteresting to listen to? I fell asleep twice!
She would have put me to sleep. I'm sorry but I had to skip a lot of what she said. Was horribly slow.
Unbearable ☹️
The slow-talking is likely because English isn't her native language. The wealthy families in China tend to hypocritically study abroad, because universities in somewhere like the UK are better than any in China even as their government calls "the west" inferior constantly in their propaganda. (naturally they then get into high-level positions in those overseas countries, such as a professor, through their "thousand talents" programs that double as somewhere to sell secrets through)
China also has the lowest favorability rating among it's diaspora out of any Asian country, so keep in mind they're not ALL doing this with ulterior motives.
"Conquer" - why it has to be always militaristic jargon?
How come the moon and the earth are slowly moving apart. Why does Gravity not pull them slowly together
Boring