Why Aegon Married Both His Sisters 😲

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  • @mravandafargani3756
    @mravandafargani3756 Год назад +8052

    Damn, lannister and targaryen always make sure their bloodline pure

    • @ottovonbismarck7742
      @ottovonbismarck7742 Год назад +47

      Lannister?

    • @queenxx1690
      @queenxx1690 Год назад +256

      Lannisters not it is only Cercei and Jamie thing she wanted be like Targaryens have all rights because only Targaryens have right to incest because it sarve purpose only for them.

    • @Jaime.Lannister
      @Jaime.Lannister Год назад +23

      Lannisters. Really?

    • @ishaansharma4325
      @ishaansharma4325 Год назад +121

      Joanna Lannister, the wife of Tywin was also his first cousim

    • @ottovonbismarck7742
      @ottovonbismarck7742 Год назад +22

      @@ishaansharma4325 so? Is that incest?

  • @john56801
    @john56801 Год назад +11777

    When your family is producing the hottest people in town.

    • @panimalos5720
      @panimalos5720 Год назад +3

      And still be imbred

    • @slenderman2697
      @slenderman2697 Год назад +196

      🤢

    • @notjohncena6492
      @notjohncena6492 Год назад +2

      Meanwhile incest is said to produce you know what .

    • @SLrandomshitposting
      @SLrandomshitposting Год назад +191

      I was going to say the same thing, blonde hair and blue eyes are my favourite combination

    • @dontpokethekenny
      @dontpokethekenny Год назад +273

      I bet they weren't actually beautiful, it was just propaganda and history being written to make them sound better.

  • @jadeayla7548
    @jadeayla7548 10 месяцев назад +748

    Quite the contrary, once Rhaenys died Visenya and Aegon couldn't stand each other anymore. She was the glue that kept them together 😂

    • @rizkimalasiregar8933
      @rizkimalasiregar8933 3 месяца назад +97

      It's not contrary actually, Aegon and Visenya break apart not because they lose Rhaenys who glued them together. They can't stand each other anymore because: First they both grieving. Second, Aegon couldn't let Rhaenys out of his mind and somewhat wish it was Visenya who's gone, not Rhaenys. And Visenya hate him for that.

  • @ezdub5762
    @ezdub5762 Год назад +4202

    As I recall, The whole “10 nights for Rhaenys and 1 for Visenya” thing was a rumor spread by housemaids and cooks and it wasn’t confirmed or denied in the lore. Visenya is confirmed to have loved Rhaenys though, after she died and they sent a piece of Rhaenys’s dragon she was ready to turn Dorne to glass.

    • @remove_marko
      @remove_marko Год назад +240

      She prepared her son to take the throne and murder her sister's children. And yes that "for every one night with Visenya there were 10 with Rhaenys" part is true, I read it last week in the "Fire & Blood" book.
      Sha wanted to burn Dorne because she is a warmonger and a bit more bloodthirsty than her younger sister, which reflected in Maegor. Plus it was an insult to her family to have one of it's members killed without retribution.

    • @ezdub5762
      @ezdub5762 Год назад +255

      @@remove_marko when I went to the wiki, it said that it was only suggested at court, I doubt either Aegon or Visenya would declare how many nights they spend together. Visenya didn’t suffer disrespect but she didn’t go around burning anything she didn’t like, even if she somewhat resented Rhaenys I doubt that she’d want her to die. Aenys was a very weak and kinda shit ruler, she did try to explain to him that he needed to act as a dragon before seeing that he didn’t have it in, and even then she didn’t make a direct move to replace him until after he died and the Faith Militant was leading the persecution of everything her brother and sister spent their lives building. Maegor was openly disrespectful to Aenys but like Daemon to Viserys he never tried to take his older brother’s throne even if he simmered in anger, hell he actually went through with his exile until Visenya retrieved him.

    • @mrbiscuits001
      @mrbiscuits001 Год назад +94

      @@remove_markoF&B is a history document told from the perspective of a Maester recounting older historical texts. F&B is purposely ambiguous, that’s why the Maester says things like “it was said” or “the smallfolk believed” because things like 10 nights with Rheanys were at the end of the day rumours and it’s not confirmed or denied

    • @SLrandomshitposting
      @SLrandomshitposting Год назад

      I wanna belive that they all loved each other very much all three of them, I mean they are my favourite eiffel tower, don't ruin the 3some for me for views you stttyttu*pid videomaker 😭😭😭

    • @SweetSummerChild1967
      @SweetSummerChild1967 Год назад +74

      ​@ezdub5762 I like this version of events. If the conquest ever gets made into a show, I'd rather see Visenya loved her sister and nephew. Better than a rehash of Season 7 Arya/Sansa hate. Women united, not divided over petty jealousy.

  • @michaelwoffindin
    @michaelwoffindin Год назад +2514

    Aegon really believed in the phrase "Don't let your marriage stop you from finding true love."

    • @ro-fz1jt
      @ro-fz1jt Год назад +43

      What a stupid phrase . And people shouldn't be hypocrites and get MARRIED IF THEEY HAVENT FOUND THEIR TRUE LOVE

    • @TheCrimsonRevenger
      @TheCrimsonRevenger 11 месяцев назад +11

      You're both silly for believing in "true love". What? Do you believe in Santa Claus too? Love isn't destiny and it sure as heck isn't passion. Love is a choice. It's a commitment and a series of sacrifices that only end the day you die.
      It's a willingness to give up your own wants and desires for someone else without them even knowing you did it, because you didn't do it for the back pats. You did it for love's own sake.
      If you're willing to sacrifice the passion/dopamine rush/lust you might feel for some rando in order to honor the commitments you've made that just might...MIGHT...be the closest thing to true love that will ever exist in this world.
      You're more likely to find "true love" in an arranged marriage between two strangers than you ever will between two romantics chasing desire and passion.

    • @flixlna6453
      @flixlna6453 11 месяцев назад +12

      Let's change the phrase to "Don't let your marriage AND blood relation stop you from finding true love."

    • @uditraviraj8261
      @uditraviraj8261 10 месяцев назад +2

      ​@@TheCrimsonRevengerhow can you find true love between two strangers..?
      At first i was buying it because of the phrase u added (do u believe in santa claus) but then all true love crap.. What are u a hypocrite?

    • @TheCrimsonRevenger
      @TheCrimsonRevenger 10 месяцев назад +5

      @@uditraviraj8261 I literally explained what love actually is. So read past the point where you got triggered and there you shall find your answer.
      But here, i'll try to make it so simple even a five-year old's attention span can grasp it.
      Love is what you do. Love is what you choose. Love is what you sacrifice.
      Love is not a dopamine rush.
      Strangers can choose each other. Strangers can sacrifice for each other. Strangers can commit to each other. We know this because up until about 5 minutes ago on the cosmic clock, that's what people did all throughout human history.
      People who chase dopamine have no concept of what love is. They're selfish and short-sighted and constantly prowling for whoever can give them the next dopamine hit like sad little junkies.

  • @cherrylove34
    @cherrylove34 Год назад +456

    Visenya loved Rhaenys, she was furious when she died and was ready to completely burn Dorne

    • @Kelly-vm9su
      @Kelly-vm9su 9 месяцев назад +1

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    • @Kelly-vm9su
      @Kelly-vm9su 9 месяцев назад +1

      L

    • @rizkimalasiregar8933
      @rizkimalasiregar8933 3 месяца назад +3

      Of course she loved Rhaenys. Rhaenys is her sister anyway. No one said she hated Rhaenys. She just jealous. But jealousy didn't destroy her love.

  • @nicksmithnutmilk
    @nicksmithnutmilk Год назад +509

    Maegor had a cool relationship with Aenys . Remember Aenys gave Maegor Blackfyre and named him his Hand , he wouldn't have done it if they hated each other

    • @xxwhispersxx2856
      @xxwhispersxx2856 11 месяцев назад +43

      That relationship is such a headscratcher. There seemed to be a lot of respect between the brothers. And Maegor stayed in exile when Aenys sent him away, and didn't come back until Visenya came to get him. He even was willing to let his nieces and nephews go free into exile (despite the bounties he put on their heads). But once he got his hands on Aegon and Viserys, he tore them limb from limb. And raped and abused Rhaena.

    • @nicksmithnutmilk
      @nicksmithnutmilk 11 месяцев назад +18

      @@xxwhispersxx2856 Maegor gave his nephews and neices a choice and they didn't live with it . He wouldn't have killed them if they went to Essos

    • @sushmitaraodesaraju6330
      @sushmitaraodesaraju6330 3 месяца назад +16

      ​@@xxwhispersxx2856I think the relationship between Aenys and Maegor is kind of like what Viserys and Daemon from HotD have. The weak older brother that wants peace, the wild, dangerous younger brother that wants to burn the world into submission. The younger brothers still loved their older brothers despite hating them for their weakness.

    • @lilegvishiani6680
      @lilegvishiani6680 3 месяца назад +13

      the thing is that yes while they didnt hate each other and aenys respected and loved him half brother, maegor as well as visenya and everyone else knew that aenys wouldnt be able to keep his fathers legacy. he was weak and was not meant to rule. he was really similar to rhaenys and didnt have a warriors soul. even maegors love for his brother kept him from usurping aenyss throne during his reign

  • @GenuinelyOT
    @GenuinelyOT Год назад +138

    Visenya loved her sister too. She burned every castle in dorne when Rhaenys was killed.

  • @queenxx1690
    @queenxx1690 Год назад +996

    Maegor always respected Aenys beacuse he was older and never wanted kill him even serve him they were like Viserys and Daemon at one point

    • @notjohncena6492
      @notjohncena6492 Год назад +119

      Maegor was essential like everyone said he had to make sure the dynasty would last even without a conqueror.

    • @paulusillyriusiudathaddaio2530
      @paulusillyriusiudathaddaio2530 Год назад +96

      I think maester bias is really here when it comes to Maegor. Ofc he didnt care about lives of common people, his wives etc, but in the first part of his reign he also didnt actively pursue violence towards his kin for violence sake. He took the crown and totaly ignored Rhaena and Aegon, to be fair i can imagine them making agreement if Aegon wasnt dumb enough to challenge the authority of a guy riding Balerion. However that line was crossed when he killed Viserys

    • @mappingshaman5280
      @mappingshaman5280 Год назад +43

      Yeah reading fire and blood i dont get the impression that maegor was as bad as is commonly thought. At any time maegor could easily have killed his brother and taken the throne, but he never did so, and not for a lack of ambition. To me he seems like daemon who "won."

    • @colorbyanusree
      @colorbyanusree Год назад +24

      But Daemon is greater than Meagor obviously. Daemon is dangerous, but only for those who want to harm him. Besides, he never intended to harm Rhaenyra, his niece. He could kill her and get the throne. But, no, he chose her, not the throne. Daemon was indeed the protector of realm. Obviously Maegor was also the protector of his dynasty.

    • @minatodroger7890
      @minatodroger7890 Год назад +4

      And they ruled well for the 2 years too it seems.

  • @someonerandome2000
    @someonerandome2000 Год назад +768

    Entirely speculation, obviously, but I think the resentment might have been more “If you wanted to marry her, why did you go through the wedding with me?” Visenya and Aegon’s marriage was arranged by their father. Neither particularly wanted it but both did it out of duty. Aegon then married the sister he wanted anyway while still trapping Visenya in a marriage she didn’t particularly want. They only had Maegor to essentially prove that yes, Aegon could father children, that he now had two sons who were definitely his and there was the “heir and a spare”. I don’t think they were particularly attracted to each other sexually, but there was a lot of respect and familial love there.

    • @mesa577
      @mesa577 Год назад +45

      idk man you are also just assuming visenya didn't like aegon that way, aegon was tall imposing and very smart so it's not unlikely she liked him in a sexual manner and it's not like the "aegon visited rheanys 10 time for every 1 visit he did with visenya" is actually true. it could just just be a way of saying rheanys is the favorite but that doesn't mean he doesn't love or like visenya as a wife because visenya is a hottie bro in a tomboy way.
      no man would say no to a woman like visenya.

    • @thalmoragent9344
      @thalmoragent9344 Год назад +31

      ​@mesa577
      Well, for one, you don't know how their personalities mixed. Maybe they didn't agree on the more minute things in life, you never know.
      She did respect him, and of course they're family and she supports him, but we don't know what Aegon likes in women. Maybe tomboy aren't his thing, we can't say for sure.

    • @thalmoragent9344
      @thalmoragent9344 Год назад +4

      Depends. I mean, if he married her to a Celtigar or a Velaryon, perhaps that could've done some good, but we don't know how their situation went down regarding marriage.

    • @samuelpain4746
      @samuelpain4746 Год назад +18

      Nah , Aegon was like 15 when they got married it's not like they had a choice here ! Their union wasn't based on romantic love but on duty ! The firstborn male and female of their house inherit dragon stone by tradition

    • @ezdub5762
      @ezdub5762 Год назад +4

      @@thalmoragent9344 yeah it’s really all speculation on the personal affairs of the Targaryen’s but I imagine they came to love each other, but I personally don’t see that relationship running smoothly especially under stress, at least they had plenty of time to work out the kinks of it.

  • @yellowhouse4911
    @yellowhouse4911 Год назад +512

    I don't think there was any rivalry between the sisters. It was never even hinted at that Visenya was jealous of Rhaenys, i don't think Visenya even loved Aegon romantically either, theirs was a political marriage, the other one was a love marriage and as long as both goals (Aegon and Rhaenys being together and the seven kingdoms being conquered) I don't think any of the 3 had a problem with it.

    • @ali773n
      @ali773n Год назад +12

      There will always be jealousy. In a three way love relationship.

    • @DizzyBusy
      @DizzyBusy 6 месяцев назад +24

      ​@@ali773n I think the Visenya loved Rhaenys more than she loved Aegon. The jealousy is there, just not where heteronormative people expected

    • @Yazzieeee
      @Yazzieeee 4 месяца назад

      @@DizzyBusyis that actually true? That’d be pretty informative

    • @grichkatayou7558
      @grichkatayou7558 4 месяца назад +1

      @@DizzyBusy stop this nonsense JRRM wrote the books and has talked about them ad nauseum... what evidence is there to suggest what you are saying and i'm talking about hard evidence.. not an"it is myown comprehension of the story" you didnt write the story.

    • @Eyoballin
      @Eyoballin 2 месяца назад

      @@DizzyBusy everybody isnt gay jesus christ

  • @shewolfroux6091
    @shewolfroux6091 Год назад +78

    I don't think Visenya had much interest in Aegon or marriage as a whole. I think she was simply loyal to the traditions of their house and her family. The two older siblings were most likely betrothed at a young age. Visenya and Aegon were raised to "do their duty" and marry each other, but Aegon fell for Rhaenys. Going as far as to revive an old tradition just to be with her as well.
    I think Visenya loved her younger siblings and only wanted to protect them. Aegon was ambitious brash, while Rhaenys was flightly. Visenya was the only one of the 3 conquerors that thought more than a few steps ahead. She was calculating and more than willing to do what ever it took to see their dream of uniting and ruling the seven kingdoms come to fruition.
    Visenya was steel to Aegon's fire. Rhaenys was silk to the much harsher natures of her elder siblings. She softened them, and when she died they became cold and hard to everyone. Each other included.

  • @Rajarshi_X
    @Rajarshi_X Год назад +366

    Visenya was the most underrated Targaryen in history. I think Dark Sister is a magical blade.

    • @MrTaylorAries
      @MrTaylorAries Год назад +28

      Possibly as she was prone to knowledge about their culture that the other siblings may not have learned. Very pragmatic and deliberate. Honestly she maybe should have been in charge or at least Aenys’s hand and the hand of the king should always be a Targaryen

    • @Kelly-vm9su
      @Kelly-vm9su 9 месяцев назад +1

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    • @Papaty25
      @Papaty25 6 месяцев назад +3

      Not as much as Blackfyre, The blade of the conqueror🥶

  • @theroadrunner6880
    @theroadrunner6880 Год назад +64

    I think Visenya's love was in power. She was the one people feared. She was the one who actually ruled the kingdoms. Rhaenys was softer, she was definitely Aegon's real love.

    • @Papaty25
      @Papaty25 2 месяца назад

      Aegon went of hundreds of royal progresses to know Westeros better 😂

  • @128e93b
    @128e93b 6 месяцев назад +40

    I don't think Visenya hated Rhaenys. There were no mention in the books that the sisters hate each other, not even the slightest. The three understood their role in the conquest, they were a team.
    Aegon, the conqueror
    Rhaenys, the diplomat
    Visenya, the mastermind

  • @ifeeldead463
    @ifeeldead463 Год назад +196

    Honestly, I always imagined that Aegon, at the very least, respected Visenya as a warrior and as his blood sister, even if he didnt love her as a wife or as a sister. I mean, if my sister loyally fought for me without fail or hesitation, she would at least get my respect
    Also, Im pretty sure Visenya loved Rhaenys. She even mourned with Aegon when they heard of her death.
    Also, consider Threesome but its like Aegon and Visenya sharing Rhaenys

  • @nothmm8582
    @nothmm8582 10 месяцев назад +31

    He married Visenya for Duty and Rhaeneys for Love.
    If only Robb Stark understood it.

    • @srisaithota8512
      @srisaithota8512 2 месяца назад

      Wow Great point ☝🏻 So first robb might have married the frey girl then after if he manages to win the war he should Marry talisa . But rob 😢

  • @nighthawk_2k827
    @nighthawk_2k827 Год назад +278

    I’m still broken after years by Rhaenys’ death, and even worse the theories around letter that Aegon received from the Dornish envoys, that goes like that Rhaenys was still alive but was tortured and only through accepting a truce Aegon could relieve her😭 why George?!

    • @PizzaPenguin650
      @PizzaPenguin650 Год назад +27

      Dorne was the only kingdom to with stand the targaryen rule, this was how

    • @Ihsannnnnn
      @Ihsannnnnn Год назад +48

      This theory can't be completely true except the fact that Rhaenys was alive and she was sick poorly due to injuries suffered in the battle. It can be concluded that Dornish never tortured or violated her leading Aegon to go for truce. The theory of Aegon seeing her in deathbed at Dragonstone can be a supporting factor for this.

    • @forestrees2000
      @forestrees2000 Год назад +2

      @@footballforever4381why?

    • @footballforever4381
      @footballforever4381 Год назад

      @@forestrees2000 why not,those fuckers killed thousands of innocent people in different battles and burned cities.They certainly deserved whatever happened to those insectious bastards 😂😂😂

    • @Salmonjingkun
      @Salmonjingkun Год назад +9

      ​@@forestrees2000umm killing thousands of innocent for peice of land

  • @brigidmadden5577
    @brigidmadden5577 Год назад +32

    It’s also possible they were all into each other as it’s noted Visenya was completely heart broken when she heard about Rhaenys’ death. It should also be noted that Visenya may been given the short end of the stick biography wise as she birthed Maegor, the universally despised dictator, so it’s possible these types of claims are little digs at her expense

  • @redsol3629
    @redsol3629 Год назад +169

    Don't forget she defended him from assassins.

  • @honinakecheta601
    @honinakecheta601 Год назад +37

    I think visenya had a sibling love for Aegon, had sex with him out of duty/to cement their dynasty, but actual romantic affection develops between him and rhaenys

  • @finderoftruthknowerofsecre3429
    @finderoftruthknowerofsecre3429 Год назад +144

    His wives propped the whole dynasty up for success and then somehow women aren't capable of ruling.....amazing

    • @Papaty25
      @Papaty25 6 месяцев назад +2

      There has never been another Visenya. Has there?

    • @finderoftruthknowerofsecre3429
      @finderoftruthknowerofsecre3429 6 месяцев назад +23

      @@Papaty25 Viserra , Saera, Rhaenys , Rhaenyra. They weren't visenya, but visenya also didn't have to deal with westerosi customs . She had a dragon & that was enough

    • @Papaty25
      @Papaty25 5 месяцев назад +13

      @@finderoftruthknowerofsecre3429 Missed the most important one (Alysanne) and named all useless ones. Visenya never had to deal with Westerosi customs. The name of the conqueror was enough to make his Queen Regent sit on the throne. Lmao

    • @grichkatayou7558
      @grichkatayou7558 4 месяца назад +6

      @@finderoftruthknowerofsecre3429 I ddont know how people like you do it... make everything about what it is not... then naming those examples... Rhaenyra ?? come on now... Her father and her destroyed the targaryen dynasty...They only ruled because they had the dragons that much ws painfully clear. why else would kings bend the knee to FOREIGNERS??
      there was never another visenya, the closet was Alysanne

    • @stew-03
      @stew-03 3 месяца назад +2

      @@finderoftruthknowerofsecre3429 Rhaenyra is nowhere near the level of Visenya. Rhaenyra never even fought her own battles.

  • @lunasborednow
    @lunasborednow Год назад +50

    It's highly suggested that Rhaenys was the middle of this love triangle not Aegon.

    • @grichkatayou7558
      @grichkatayou7558 4 месяца назад +3

      by whom ??? GRRM is still alive, and has talked about his books... or did you write them??

    • @The-Doctor6969
      @The-Doctor6969 3 месяца назад

      Ur mom ​@@grichkatayou7558

  • @kingkongchief1177
    @kingkongchief1177 Год назад +111

    I’m sure Aegon also married both his sisters to secure his chances of having future heirs to continue the Targaryen bloodline and dynasty. Cause in the dark ages pregnancy was way harder and your chances of dying in childbirth were like 60/40 so that’s most likely another reason Aegon wanted 2 pregnant wives instead of 1.

    • @pittland44
      @pittland44 Год назад +25

      It also prevents any other house from acquiring a wife who's a dragon rider and thus seeding possible civil war.

    • @thedevilsadvocate858
      @thedevilsadvocate858 Год назад +18

      Exactly Marrying Rhaenys wasnt purely out of love because Rhaenys also had a dragaon and letting her marry someone else would result in sharing the access to dragons with someone else.too

  • @Allthingsasian
    @Allthingsasian Год назад +166

    Bold of you to assume that Visenya didn't love Rhaenys too. I really hate the idea of a love triangle between the sisters and Aegon to be honest. I don’t think Visenya cared to be in one and there's no indication that she had any feelings for Aegon beyond stern sisterly affection.
    With Rhaenys on the other hand I could see Visenya be closer to her.

    • @videobooks3
      @videobooks3  Год назад +24

      Well Visenya let Maegor murder Aenys children and constantly said that her son should be heir over Aenys until Aegon sent her to Dragonstone

    • @lasloapollo4312
      @lasloapollo4312 Год назад +1

      ​@@videobooks3Aenys was a weak ass poser that would ruin the family legacy. Im glad she did that.

    • @ifeeldead463
      @ifeeldead463 Год назад +20

      I assumed Visenya and Aegon had a professional relationship, if not a sibling or romantic relationship. Like, they were more coworkers than brother-sister or husband-wife. So, I dont think she minds being third wheel

    • @ifeeldead463
      @ifeeldead463 Год назад +9

      ​​​@@videobooks3to be fair, its likely Maegor did it behind her back. At the same time, could also be a necessary evil she's willing but reluctant to allow.
      Edit: also, to be fair, its not like Aenys was good at his job. Like, sure hes not a genocidal nutjob but still

    • @lasloapollo4312
      @lasloapollo4312 Год назад +12

      @@ifeeldead463 Aenys was just so weak. The whole realm rebelled insteadly.

  • @sonnguyentung3543
    @sonnguyentung3543 Год назад +245

    King of Alabama

    • @pittland44
      @pittland44 Год назад

      Look up South Park "Alabama Man." You will not be disappointed.

    • @ha3562
      @ha3562 8 месяцев назад

      😂😂😂😂

  • @dariamarkovskaya8611
    @dariamarkovskaya8611 9 месяцев назад +5

    when your geological tree is a circle

    • @MrBrachiatingApe
      @MrBrachiatingApe 8 месяцев назад +1

      That's better than Egypt, whose family trees were like a bowl of spaghetti.
      Also, just fyi: 'genealogical'
      Geological is earth science, stones and mountains and continents.
      Cheers!

  • @nafsikaisbored
    @nafsikaisbored Год назад +11

    Visenya was never jealous of Rhaenys , she loved her more than she ever did Aegon

    • @Papaty25
      @Papaty25 20 дней назад

      Why did she tell Maegor to kill Rhaenys's Grandson?

  • @annett5
    @annett5 Год назад +13

    If only we got the tv show about the whole westeros history, especially, Robert's rebellion

  • @troperhghar9898
    @troperhghar9898 Год назад +10

    Aegon: *points at viseanya* this is good, *points at rhaenys* but I like this

  • @MrTaylorAries
    @MrTaylorAries Год назад +18

    No I think Visenya being the eldest knows the most about their culture so she tried to hold on to it while her siblings kind of adopted Westerosi ways easier than she did. She raised Maegor the way Valyrian men were raised. You take power not inherit it.
    She probably had very different views as they aged and when it came to ruling it was clear men ruled in Westeros while it’s unknown how women faired in Valyria but it seems likely that had more say like in Dorne. Otherwise Visenya would have never been so good with a sword. House Targaryen’s women seemed to be able to decide which role to pick when there were multiple women which likely also kept the peace. Aegon started to rule Westeros his way which did not follow traditional Valyrian ways so they ended up spending less and less time together and I doubt they ever stopped caring for each other but Rhaenys might have also played a vital role in mediating their quarrels. Without her they went on two different paths because they clearly had different visions for ruling.

  • @justdirt
    @justdirt Год назад +19

    This is a big thing, but the Maesters despise Polygamy. They were not fans of incest either, but the maesters see Polygamy as worse than Incest.
    This is important because this idea that Aegon loved one of his sisters more is written by a maester centuries after Aegon died.
    The Maesters are all generally anti targaeryen and both the world book and Fire and Blood show thus bias heavily.
    The Maesters are also generally very sexist. They constantly underplay the achievements of women in these books and often paint them as the villains.
    The biggest example is how Visenya is portrayed. Despite there being almost zero evidence, the maesters theorize she poisoned Aegon's firstborn and this pattern repeats throughout the two books.
    I bring this up because a lot of people take the information in the world book and Fire and Blood at face value

    • @rpgadventurer32
      @rpgadventurer32 5 месяцев назад +1

      Yes, but it's up to GRRM to provide the real information. If he's just writing rumors then why would you even invest in the worldbuilding, if nothing is reliable? That's not good writing. The truth still needs to be delivered within his writings one way or another or else it's just a waste of time.

    • @paradox9369
      @paradox9369 Месяц назад

      Well, I reckon one would have found the truth if the writing was finished... ​@@rpgadventurer32

  • @leogad669
    @leogad669 10 месяцев назад +3

    It seemed to me that Aenys and Maegor kind of liked each other, or at least respected each other. No real quarrels, and plenty of respectful words and gestures, if not fond ones.

  • @nevaehaho61
    @nevaehaho61 Год назад +16

    I like to think that Aegon and Visenya had a decent relationship, probably more like a brother and sister. They weren’t in love and they did their duties since they were married, but Aegon didn’t disrespect Visenya by taking another wife like his lords wanted him to and Visenya wanted to protect him by forming the Kingsguard, even saving his life on occasion. Also, there’s a theory I like that Visenya made Maegor using sorcery since she hadn’t had any children with Aegon despite them being married for years. And there’s another that Aenys was actually the son of Rhaenys and one of the pretty bards and musicians she was known to keep around her. I think that’s rather fitting in a story so centralized on rightful heirs and royal struggles that The Conqueror himself had no biological children. It makes sense given GRRM’s writing themes

    • @nsaikiran7051
      @nsaikiran7051 8 месяцев назад +3

      Then the whole my blood who come prince that was promised thing has no use

    • @grichkatayou7558
      @grichkatayou7558 4 месяца назад

      people like you should write your own books... there has to be a structure to writting a narrative line certain truths that have to be, for it to make sense... smh "rumors" GRRM is still alive...

    • @nevaehaho61
      @nevaehaho61 4 месяца назад +1

      @@nsaikiran7051 Well they’re still related to Aegon aren’t they? It doesn’t say “my direct descendant will be The Prince Who is Promised”. It says from his blood. His nephews would still be his blood because his wives are his sisters

    • @nevaehaho61
      @nevaehaho61 4 месяца назад

      @@grichkatayou7558 In his defense the point of F&B is that it’s an in-world history book and historians almost never know anything that’s not super overt and public because the farther we go back, the less likely we are to get primary sources. I think it makes F&B more interactive when you get to use what breadcrumbs he provides to try to find what really happened and no two headcanons are exactly alike. But that’s just me

  • @ryanquick07
    @ryanquick07 Год назад +6

    Always thought it out of character for Rhaenys to have been the one to solo attack Dorne out of spite and get Scorpion'd. Not that Visenya would be that foolish, just Rhaenys always seemed less warmongering.

  • @gewalfofwoofia8263
    @gewalfofwoofia8263 Год назад +14

    Like Miguel and Tulio said, both is good.

  • @JamesHightower18
    @JamesHightower18 Год назад +8

    Like an animated show is cool and all but like I think everyone can agree that we’d rather have a show about these 3 conquering Westeros
    And maybe even getting to see Valyria

  • @PhebusdesTours
    @PhebusdesTours 6 месяцев назад +5

    Queen Visenya pretty much acted with Maegor like Cersei did with Joffrey: letting him do anything he wanted and supporting him as horrible as his crimes were. I mean Maegor was like a more cruel version of King Henry VIII of England...

  • @manoshidey266
    @manoshidey266 Год назад +16

    Visenya should had asended the throne... Not Aegon

    • @rpgadventurer32
      @rpgadventurer32 5 месяцев назад +1

      No, he had the physical power and presence and the dragon to be the leader, he deserved it.

    • @grichkatayou7558
      @grichkatayou7558 4 месяца назад +1

      what ?? people will say anything these days... it was literally Aegon's dream... he is the one who saw westeros and why unity was necessary...
      why can't people like you just stick to the material ?

  • @jessicas.6235
    @jessicas.6235 11 месяцев назад +6

    “…who were both very different from each other.”
    Not different enough… 🧬🧬

  • @rogue8304
    @rogue8304 Год назад +5

    Still find it hilarious that he basically just let them do all his work for him when it was peaceful but as soon as a war was even thought about he would just be like lets go balerion to go ruins some people’s day

    • @grichkatayou7558
      @grichkatayou7558 4 месяца назад +1

      thats how lions who conquered their own pride live..

  • @Eggontheconker
    @Eggontheconker 6 месяцев назад +3

    Maegor had no grudge against Aenys, he only had issues with his sons as he thought they won't be able to protect House Targaryen against the Faith. This is very similar to Daemon who also was a good brother to Viserys but despised his children with Alicent since Hightowers indirectly controlled the Faith. Both Maegor and Daemon are villanised in the history because history is written by the maesters of old town, who also have a strong belief in Faith of the seven. Blood of the dragon actually ran very thick in those two

  • @Mik_hunters
    @Mik_hunters Год назад +5

    I thought I wanted an Aegon the conquerer spin-off show but now I don’t know if I can handle all the brother sister stuff😂

  • @dantejohnson7796
    @dantejohnson7796 Год назад +3

    Visenya didn't even want to marry her brother, but since he was her little brother, she would protect him as best as she could since they are family.

  • @kehlermartok9744
    @kehlermartok9744 Год назад +7

    I don’t think there was a rivalry between the sisters. I mean Visenya clearly was Not happy when Rhaenys was killed and Visenya did want her son Maegor to marry his niece, the granddaughter of her sister Rhaenys.

  • @alessandrajackson3768
    @alessandrajackson3768 8 месяцев назад +3

    I don’t think Visenya was jealous. Everything described of her would point to her not being attracted to her brother, and just fulfilling a duty.

  • @Jaime.Lannister
    @Jaime.Lannister Год назад +4

    The book description of Rhaenys is actually quite the sweet and beautiful and a bit kinder than Visenya.

  • @lavaxbunni3799
    @lavaxbunni3799 Год назад +10

    What a weird way to present this they all loved each other in their own way. Yes it is said that he married Visenya out of duty that is 1. speculation and 2. Visenya would not be jealous of Rhaenys she was a warrior! It is never mentioned that she is jealous of Rhaenys nor does it come across that way. The only area where that could slightly be true is the order of secession but even then she’d be jealous of Aenys. The sisters are two completely different people with different interests. But I mean pop off with the same speculation and misogyny as the UNRELIABLE narrator Archmaester Gyldayn.

  • @marinatedweasel5424
    @marinatedweasel5424 Год назад +6

    aegon out here being that guy

  • @Witchypoo5576
    @Witchypoo5576 11 месяцев назад +2

    Visenya was a warrior and tactician, Rhaenys was the politician and strategist, both were beautiful but Rhaenys was more beautiful and charming than Visenya.

  • @bullymaguire7843
    @bullymaguire7843 Месяц назад +1

    Visenya and Maegor were the reason why Aegon and Rhaenys's Bloodline survived and sat on the throne...If Maegor wouldn't be acted as The Cruel then Jaehaerys wouldn't be named as The Conciliator bcz there wouldn't have been any Targaryen alive to sit the throne..To talk about peace you must have someone who is capable of great violence

  • @Nora-zs5oo
    @Nora-zs5oo 4 месяца назад +2

    This needs to be adapted into a series ASAP ❤❤

  • @Cloudddead
    @Cloudddead Год назад +3

    I would love to see a show about Aegon

  • @k.c.elliott7748
    @k.c.elliott7748 Год назад +1

    Taking "Keep it in the family" to a whole other level 🤣🤣

  • @Mizia_i
    @Mizia_i Год назад +3

    I believe Visenya was cold and harsh because that was her personality. Also, I think that she loved Aegon as her young brother

  • @Leids429
    @Leids429 3 месяца назад +1

    This family gives major Fire Nation vibes

  • @skiron5453
    @skiron5453 Год назад +1

    "Who are both very different from each other" might be the biggest understatement of the year lmao 😂

  • @allisonargent2209
    @allisonargent2209 Год назад +102

    Visenya wasn’t jealous of Rhaenys, she got along pretty well and when Rhaenys died, she was heartbroken… there are also rumors that Aegon and Orys was lovers… there is no way to know the factual truth unless the author opens his mouth and tells us

    • @thedreamscripter4002
      @thedreamscripter4002 Год назад +33

      About Orys - that is already very stupid theories of people, who try to see gay couples wherever it is possible. Sometimes I get feeling that such people don't understand concept of friendship

    • @queenxx1690
      @queenxx1690 Год назад +21

      Orys and Aegon were best friends and companions not a couple stop spreading bs Orys had his own wife too

    • @leviacronym6770
      @leviacronym6770 Год назад +10

      @@thedreamscripter4002 I dunno, I'd rather see gay couples than all this incest shlt 24/7. But I get what you're saying to some extent. People often will ridicule a boy and girl "just" being friends and don't think it's possible and yet in most media, they almost always end up dating. Platonic love is a thing and I think it's beautiful.

    • @allisonargent2209
      @allisonargent2209 Год назад

      @@queenxx1690 I spread nothing, the theories is already out in the open

    • @gabrieleblechschmidt6010
      @gabrieleblechschmidt6010 Год назад

      ​@@leviacronym6770gilt auch fuer Maedchenfreundschaften. Schnell werden Beide als lesbisch gesehen.

  • @thalmoragent9344
    @thalmoragent9344 Год назад +4

    Ya know, I don't think Visenya's personality was entirely due to her position as the "2nd favorite" wife, she may have just had that demeanor regardless, but I guess it wouldn't have been improved by the situation regarding the marriage.

  • @fionagriffith4129
    @fionagriffith4129 2 месяца назад +1

    They say Aegon married Visenya for duty and Rhaenys for love. I don’t know if that’s true but even if Aegon loved Rhaenys more, there was still a strong bond between the sisters and Visenya was heartbroken and enraged at Rhaenys’s death

  • @kennyknight07
    @kennyknight07 Год назад +2

    So much depths in relationships/intricate characters building

  • @jollyfighter7319
    @jollyfighter7319 Год назад +2

    I need a show about Aegon the conqueror and maegor and all the good stuff from that era.

  • @unionofonions_1
    @unionofonions_1 Год назад +4

    ASOIAF really do be the only fantasy universe to make incest wholesome 💀

  • @cardwitch91
    @cardwitch91 6 месяцев назад +16

    The irony is I don’t think either sister actually loved Aegon romantically, and I even get the sense he was actually asexual. Two wives, only two kids? Hm. Meanwhile, I always got the sense the literal sister-wives loved each other and knew that Aegon was their key to securing what they wanted

    • @grichkatayou7558
      @grichkatayou7558 4 месяца назад +4

      why ????? why ??? cant we just stick to what is on the page?? further more the writer is still alive and has talked about his books... leave your feelings out of this...smh

    • @tiffanyjohnson103
      @tiffanyjohnson103 3 месяца назад +1

      @@grichkatayou7558leave your feelings out of it 😂😂😂😂😂 clam down sir this is something writers/authors love , when people give their opinion on what they think a character is feeling and or what’s going on this conversation in the comments are meant to happen lol people FEELINGS are involved and trust me it do matter that’s why it’s so popular now

    • @stew-03
      @stew-03 3 месяца назад +2

      Eh, I doubt he was asexual or gay. Although he may not have been very fertile (same goes for Visenya).

  • @markanthony1004
    @markanthony1004 Год назад +17

    Visenya is my kind of woman honestly

  • @MrTaylorAries
    @MrTaylorAries Год назад +3

    I’m starting to think Aegon had the visions but Visenya was the one who knew of the prophecy and that’s why she behaved the way she did. She knew but Aegon was able to see something so they could never be on the same page about ruling due to it. Perhaps a he heard the story of fire and ice but thought she could prevent it with a strong king and Aegon saw visions of the dance and wanted a peaceful line of succession as he did not try to harden Aenys in any fashion like Visenya prepared Maegor. Sadly they didn’t have enough sense to write this stuff down so it can be passed down correctly and coherently in case ya know the bloodline is ever in danger lol

  • @ntokozosibanyoni1421
    @ntokozosibanyoni1421 Год назад +2

    Wow, the morality of the rich and powerful is really remarkable, considering how they believe they've either been rightfully chosen or deservedly risen to positions of power to rule over us.

  • @Aloyz3n
    @Aloyz3n Год назад +2

    damn, those Icelanders do have it difficult l...

  • @idcman
    @idcman 3 месяца назад +1

    what a beautiful, beautiful soul.

  • @ethanwoods1775
    @ethanwoods1775 Год назад +2

    No, Marrying the older sister was a Valrian tradition not just the Targaryen as was polygamy. There also was no rivalry between Aenys and Meagor, they got along fine until they had an argument over marital issues.

  • @loliver9660
    @loliver9660 4 месяца назад +1

    Considering how she reacted during the Dragon's Wroth, I don't think she was jealous of Rhaenys. She and Aegon seemed to have more of a typical brother-sister relationship dynamic. She was older, so she naturally assumed the more protective role. If Aegon was in love with Rhaenys and spent more time with her, that meant Visenya was forced to do her duty as a wife less often, saving both her and Aegon from discomfort at having to be intimate. Also, we only see Visenya have Maegor after Rhaenys was dead, and Aenys was seen as weak and unfit. Otherwise, it seemed like she was content with letting Rhaenys produce the heirs while she waged war.

  • @bigfoot3866
    @bigfoot3866 Год назад +1

    "What are you doing big bro?"

  • @assillehmaidi2104
    @assillehmaidi2104 Год назад +3

    I always wondered where King's landing would be in real life, It's Alabama I guess.

  • @IamBingoEiEiO
    @IamBingoEiEiO 3 месяца назад +1

    I've always thought Visenya loved Aegon and Rhaynes as brother and sister, and that Aegon and Rhaynes were the real couple and Visenya was cool with it

  • @mikmak2102
    @mikmak2102 Год назад +1

    He married Rhaenys because he loved her. He was married to Visenya for the Targaryen tradition but he spent most of his nights with Rhaenys. In the end it was Visenya’s son who would rule for a time under her authority though.

  • @hansmercredi3636
    @hansmercredi3636 Год назад +2

    After playing Crusader Kings I can understand why he did it now

  • @harriscarson4207
    @harriscarson4207 Год назад +1

    they really gotta do a seriess on Aegons conquest

  • @weeoth8380
    @weeoth8380 Год назад +1

    We do know Visenia was furious when Rhaenys died, and rampaged in Dorne for reetribution.

  • @Lauren_12695
    @Lauren_12695 Год назад +13

    I really don’t think Visenya was even jealous of Rhaenys or even hated her at all. I think all that is Maester propaganda tbh.

  • @j915winterking9
    @j915winterking9 10 месяцев назад +2

    Rhaenys was his favorite 😅

  • @DipankarGhosh007
    @DipankarGhosh007 Год назад +1

    Visenya was more like a homie😂

  • @tlotpwist3417
    @tlotpwist3417 10 месяцев назад +1

    Sweet Home -Alab- Valyria

  • @saleenmarierose
    @saleenmarierose 10 месяцев назад +1

    The way u say Visenya 😭😭

  • @callmecc9807
    @callmecc9807 11 месяцев назад +10

    Aegon just can't handle my girl Visenya

  • @motherhoodsbeauty9279
    @motherhoodsbeauty9279 Год назад +2

    But what if she love him as her brother but not a lover and have no choice but to be loyal to him because she married to him?

  • @yasmindamiaiman7411
    @yasmindamiaiman7411 10 месяцев назад +2

    Personally, I think the entire marriage was political. If either one of the sisters married into another house and gave them dragons, it would've undermined House Targaryen power. It could've caused the Dance of the Dragons earlier, but instead of siblings, it would have been between cousins. However, it might have also help unite Westeros even further if Aegon's sisters married into different houses and their children married back into House Targaryen as this would not upset the Faith and create the Faith Militant. This may help House Targaryen to be more accepted by the people of Westeros. Since cousin marriages still keep their bloodline pure while not being seen as taboo as sibling marriages.

  • @vaticancitybride7137
    @vaticancitybride7137 9 месяцев назад +1

    Just like Jacob, Rachel, and Leah from the Old Testament.

  • @yamatonadeshiko567
    @yamatonadeshiko567 Год назад +2

    Visenya loved Rhaenys and mourned for her when she died. Rhaenys I think was the glue between siblings because Aegon and Visenya's relationship deteriorated after Rhaenys died.

  • @BH-pt1ps
    @BH-pt1ps Год назад +1

    Cersei hated the Targaryen’s but she was clearly a fan of their customs 👀

  • @veroxx32
    @veroxx32 Год назад +1

    If this was realistic new generations would eventually come out Habsburg looking😭💀

    • @MrBrachiatingApe
      @MrBrachiatingApe 8 месяцев назад

      They got them blood magical-dragon-Nazi ubergenes, I guess.
      Or maybe GRRM filters reality through PHub's most popular search terms.
      Regardless: no King Charles II "The Sufferer" aka "The Alabaman" for the Targs.

  • @SparSA-xl7td
    @SparSA-xl7td Год назад +2

    I'd love to see a series based off this period & the doom of valyria's period! It just seems so magical & interesting! Tho we might never get it since they already adapted one series around the targaryans. Dk if they'd go for a second.

  • @4RunnnerKing
    @4RunnnerKing 2 месяца назад

    Visenya was a real one, she was holding it ten toes down for my guy

  • @reyganwhitt3738
    @reyganwhitt3738 Год назад +1

    Bro imagine a tv show with this story, let’s gooooo bois we made it

  • @BRouge
    @BRouge 8 месяцев назад +1

    And they all survived the Doom of Alabama

  • @natiliee.s.5476
    @natiliee.s.5476 Год назад +12

    He married the older sister for Duty🗡
    &
    He married the younger sister for Love❤

  • @SergioMendoza760
    @SergioMendoza760 6 месяцев назад +1

    It’s kinda funny how the seeds for house Targaryens destruction are sewn instantly within the very first generation of their rulers.

  • @herpetoholic
    @herpetoholic Год назад +2

    So ultimately, Ageon caused the fall of his family through chaos over love. Interesting, like I've read the book, watch thousands of videos, but the way he puts it in a game of throne, everything after books and show makes sense. Destiny is caused by decisions that we didn't make, and his caused the unification and maintained and unstable related due to love, not duty

  • @digge2210
    @digge2210 Год назад +2

    George you sick bastard lmao

  • @sudhiramg
    @sudhiramg 9 месяцев назад +1

    More interested in watching this prequel

  • @joshuahenderson3444
    @joshuahenderson3444 3 месяца назад +1

    Its no secret that Aegon probably grew a deep affection for his younger sister Rhaenys than he did for Visenya which would explain Maegor the Cruel being born a bad seed cuz he married her out of duty while the other sister he married out of love

    • @panchalnidhi7
      @panchalnidhi7 17 дней назад

      So arranged marriage child are bad and loved one is good ? Like lol that is the most amusing stupid thing i have ever heard , no meagor was actully raise by visenya only who was tbh cruel vengeful inloving materalistoc proudful hyper arrogant powerhungary humorless high maintance motherless feeling women , aegon messed up there as he allowed mesgor to grow up woth visneya or top he didnt try to have any influemce on him , he threw his son to lions the moment he allowed visenya to get personal hold onto meagor