I never thought a character I hate I’d end up feeling so bad for him, he never wanted the throne and it was pushed on him because he’s mothers family were power hungry
Its really interesting to see aegon freaking out and breaking down over the death of his son, especially after he wanted to give him the life he himself never had (actual parenting)
“My son is my legacy” “My son is the heir to the Iron Throne” Aegon still doesn’t speak about Jaeherys in the past tense which is a brilliant portrayal of grief.
I really love how she has the same autonomy as a corpse. The show really hammers in that Alicent is a prisoner of her own cause, forced to be nothing more than a piece of jewlry worn by the men around her. She is truly a tragic character. A fool, too.
Tom's acting is superb. You can feel Aegon's anger and despair. Aegon tried being a better parent to Jaehaerys than his father was to him. Honestly the fact that he doesn't want him paraded shows that he loves his son, he doesnt want to use him as a tool. Meanwhile Otto is just idk "lets parade him for propaganda".
Well, Otto's trying to turn even something this awful to his side's advantage, cause he can tell where all this is going. As he says in the later episode, it's to gain support from the commoners and the realm for the depredations to come in the war. But it's also such a cold, totally pragmatic way of operating that it's utterly distasteful... and yet when he's gone, the Greens make serious blunders in their PR, which hurts them overall. I think that makes him so interesting here, he's a purely political operator in the room with a raw, emotional nerve. It's quietly horrifying how quickly he searches for the political angle, but it's also shown to be a powerful and important part of effectively ruling King's Landing, and the Green faction feels rudderless without someone like him in the decision room.
For people calling him Joffrey 2.0 I'd point to this. While Aegon is hardly perfect or even a good person, he's nowhere near Joffrey. He clearly does care for people, you don't get this blind rage otherwise. He clearly loved his son, and that's something that Joffrey wouldn't have done. I know Joffrey had no kids, but I think we all can guess pretty accurately what kind of father he'd be, at best he'd emulate Robert, probably even worse.
@@CaptainLuckyLuke They really used Rhaenyra's fool's worst account of Aegon and yet claimed Blood and Cheese was exaggerated in the history by the Hightowers and 'propaganda' against Rhaenyra and Daemon. Tom Glynn Carney also recently said that the make up team spend hours trying to make him look unkempt and ugly. It's very clear Ryan Condal has an extreme bias against the Greens and as such this show cannot be deemed canon in any respect.
There is a lot of people who think Aegon deserved to have his son killed because of what he did to the maids and the fighting pit issue. Like yeah, he's done some s*itty stuff, but leave his kids out of it. Aegon had some redeemable qualities, like wanting to be an actual father to his legitimate son. But people focus too much on the bad stuff and think that no matter what a character does for redemption, that they don't deserve it.
@@TimberlakeTigerGirl The fighting pit stuff is from Mushroom who wasn't even in KL to witness that stuff and Mushroom is a really doomer-pilled narrator whose reports regarding fat queen Rhaenyra's not-so-good actions are ignored, whitewashed or blamed on the men in the show.
Yet in the quasi-medieval settings both characters are living in parents would usually bury about half their children before they reached adulthood. Even aristocrats only had a moderately better survival rate as they surely did not suffer from want but still had a poor understanding of hygiene and illnesses.
1:16 " I'll kill him myself ✨" this is why I like the character of King Aegon his passion is driving him, he's telling his council none of you want to work I'll work my self , I'll take matters into my own hand , this is why Aegon wears his armor with the crown and flies on sunfyre him self to battle field later on , this alone is enough to buy approval from solders who follow their king , a king who fights his own battles is a romantic picture for men
@@justinpachi3707I am genuinely liking how they are doing Aegon II this season. You can definitely see why people are loyal to him even if he is a terrible person.
@@ethanduncan1646 Honestly he seems like a genuinely personable character if you ignore the stuff in Season 1 where the had him randomly force himself on a serving girl and have children fight in the fighting pits for his entertainment. The abrupt shift they're doing in Season 2 makes his character seem like a different person ngl. Then again its probably for the best as the Greens needed serious development as last season they seemed closer to generic villains.
@@justinpachi3707honestly it doesn’t feel like that huge of a shift to me. It’s a little like the Prince Hal - Henry V transformation the young King goes through in the Shakespeare: (Thiugh on a smaller scale, I don’t think Aegon is nearly as self aware or Machiavellian about his youthful dalliancing as Hal), but the general concept of ‘Youthful fool wisens up/suddenly matures as King’ seems drawn from there. Also it feels kinda realistic ngl. Aegon is in like his very early twenties right? He’s never thought he’d succeed his father who he knew hated him so he bummed around but now he has the huge responsibility and seems to be trying his best at it, though his best is so far not very good.
It's also something that he never blames Helaena for any of it. He never questions why she didn't do more or act differently, especially given that we know he doesn't think very highly of her.
@@rosesweetcharlottei dunno if they show will go for that angle. In episode two he shows anger towards Helaena and ignores her, she runs back to her room. Show Aegon may blame her.
@@rosesweetcharlottebecause why would he expect more from a woman, especially one who is autistic? It would be madness to expect her to accomplish anything
@@jamiemohan2049he didn't look angry, he looks like he dont know how to deal with her, is the same case with her, they don't know how to deal with their feelings
“Where you also threatened your Grace?” “I COULDVE BEEN!!!” Honestly yeah, that’s a stupid question, an assassin in the royal home is a threat to the entire family.
The way Otto comes back with "not dragged, honored" I can kinda see his point, he's not winning grandfather of the year anytime soon but he's also not meaning to do what aegon says about dragging him like a dead dog.
1:21 Notice how Criston Cole steps in front of (a very VERY angry) Aegon and gently, but firmly shoves him back to prevent him from leaving the room. KG or not, you don't get to put your hands on the king like that, especially in front of the Queen Dowager and the Small Council. Yet Aegon doesn't shout, doesn't fight back, doesn't tell him to move aside. He just turns around without a word like a chastised kid. Bro really is the father that stepped up.
Otto Hightower saw everyone as chess pieces to be moved to win a game, even his deceased grandson. I don't think it was until Aegon murdered all the rat catchers that Otto recognized where that path led.
3:15 Aegon never wanted crown he took it to protect his kids and sibling from Rhaenyra and now he lost his son for price of crown something he loved for something he did not want
The saddest part of this scene is that Aegon never wanted any of this. In the book he even said to Alicent and Otto “What kind of a brother steals his sister’s throne from her?” Can’t believe the show didn’t have him say this along with how he doesn’t wanna rule and doesn’t think he’s fit for it.
This whole episode was so well done and then they just completely dropped the ball on it after. Next episode already we have Aegon all fine and dandy again, almost as if he has forgotten about Jahaerys. And the rest of the season after that...well y'all have seen it yourselves...
It's common for people to become emotionally detached from their dead loved ones as a coping mechanism. As for the season, blame the writers strike for that one.
"If there is a serpant nestled closer to our bosoms" "i suppose you're right Ironrod. It could be anyone of you in this room." "You wished her life to be spared."
@@bornarose11 Blame Ryan Condal for having the scene take place inside Maegor's holdfast instead of the tower of the hand, which is less heavily guarded. Are all you people so naive that you don't realize Condal is manipulating the audience to shift the blame away from Daemon and Rhaenyra to Alicent and Criston. Blood and Cheese was supposed to be one of Daemon and Rhaenyra's darkest deed that turned the smallfolk against them, but Sevens forbid Condal makes his two favorite characters do anything evil.
Seeing otto and alicient i understand how aegon became so f*cked up,if viserys did his job as a father for aegon and raised him to be a king like him the realm would be at peace right now
Seeing Aegon going through what he did in Season 2 almost made me switch sides strictly because of Aegon and Helaena. Both suffered losses and then ignored
Alot of people seem believe Aegon is upset because he lost his son but i think there's alot more than that, he lost his chance to be a father I don't think prior to being king Aegon ever cared for his sister wife and children When he finally became so suddenly he realized he had a son and wanted him to be raised as a proper. So eger to raise him as a proper heir in a way his father and mother never did. He wanted to bring him to council meetings even though hes just 4. Aegon only was now beginning to realize the importants of raising his heir and that chance was taken away from him too soon and he's so distraught over never being given that chance to be a good father. That expression aegon gives looking at the table has so many emotions to it, Anger, sadness and regret. All in just one frame. Thats how damn good the actor played this moment.
Great-grandparents are referred to as grandparents in real life too, imagine saying "Hello, Great-Grandpa!" every time you'd speak to your great-grandfather, it would be absurd.
@@Fireground42 In Spanish is just one shorter word, so I think is easier for us (spanish native speakers) to call our Great-Grandparents by the correct term, which is "Bisabuelo/a"
@@Fireground42I doubt that’s the reason. In a show where sons regularly call their fathers, “My Lord-father”, I doubt the writers thought it would be absurd of or for Otto to refer to his great-grandson as his great-grandson, especially given the context. Otto was not addressing Jaehaerys directly and personally. He describing/ referring to his relationship to Jaehaerys. It’s much more likely the writers just forgot. You want to talk about absurd. The pretzels into which fans of the show twist themselves in order to defend every little thing is absurd. 😂
@@jamesclement8985 Imagine wasting your time arguing this instead of criticizing the actual flaws in the show like Septa Rhaenyra and how they handled blood and cheese. People are picking the dumbest things to get angry over when they have a whole entree of dumbass decisions to pick from.
I like how the characters in this series are more three dimensional. Nobody is completely bad or completely good. Don't get me wrong though, Joffrey and Ramsey Bolton were entertaining to watch and fun to hate.
I feel like this scene best encapsulates what Otto has always thought of his family, as tools for acquiring and solidifying power and glory. His great grandson has just been savagely murdered in his own bed, his grandson is distraught over the loss of his son, and all Otto can think to do is parade a child’s corpse through the streets under the flimsy guise of honoring a young prince. “Jaehaerys will do more for us now than a thousand knights in battle.” That little boy didn’t deserve to die, and he didn’t deserve even more so to be reduced to a pawn in death.
I hate the Greens, but the children didn’t need to die like that. No parent deserves to lose a child. Rhaenrya and Aegon both lost children. The revenge should have been done on Aemond if anyone. He killed Luc although Vhagar disobeyed. Aegon’s little children didn’t deserve to die like that and neither did Luc. The children didn’t deserve thst
Otto’s so shrewd. Is he being cruel? Absolutely. But cruelty and good advice aren’t always mutually exclusive. Guy never squanders an opportunity to throw shade on Rhaenyra and sway public opinion
2:23 the one time Rhaenys' massacre in the dragon pit is brought up in season 2. And instead of one of Rhaenyra's dragons killing hundreds if not thousands of peasants being a propaganda opurtunity for the greens, it is actually painted as an action that makes people like Rhaenyra more and seeing her as more legitimate. The writing is just sad.😂
It really broke my heart for the fact that no one in this episode genuinely tried to comfort Aegon and Haelaena. Their son was decapitated and used for propaganda. "I will not have my little son's body dragged through the streets like a dead dog." And just a simple "why?" From Haelaena.
@@fayedunaway8they should be, hopefully they don’t gloss over it or just ignore it, I would actually like to see how Aemond deals with this, knowing his actions led to two of his nephew’s deaths.
@@fayedunaway8 "There has to be." Of course there are scenes ready. This show is following what happened in the books. I was watching Season 2 Episode 1 when Episode 2 wasn't up I was reading what would happen next in the books and they showed the exact same thing in the show. Even though they said they would make slight changes majority of it is in the books. You would be saddened what would happen to Helaena next. She's the only green I truly like and deserves better.
The actor for Aegon is doing masterful work. Really feel bad for the guy, cuz an innocent child was murdered and I believe he wanted to do right by the boy unlike his father viserys.
Aegon seems very human compared to many of the other nobles, especially the other Targs. He's clearly not a particularly great king or really a smart guy in general but he's shown himself to be extremely passionate and justice-minded and he absolutely loves his family. Aegon wanted nothing more than to be a good dad and got that snatched away from him.
@@patrickwaldeck6681 The tragedy of it is further compounded by him never even having a desire to steal his sisters throne until it was thrust upon him.
"The blood of their children turned a dynastic dispute into a war of annihilation. The grief and rage of losing a child could burn down the entire world. Either Aegon or Rhaenyra could live at the end, but not both." -Catelyn Stark
@@SplendidFactorSo true. During the war, I imagine all Westeros thought "A whole family tree hates themselves, and we have to pay for It". But at the end was probably like "finally, the dragon problem solved itself".
It is a nice touch (and quite heartbreaking) that during his raving, Aegon says "My son *is* my legacy. My son *is* heir to the iron throne." not "was" my legacy or "was" heir. He's still talking in present tense as though Jaehaerys were still alive cause he hasn't even come to terms with his son's death yet.
@@gottesurteil3201His family could’ve stayed alive if he wasn’t too ambitious. He could’ve been the hand of the king for many years after Viserys if he stayed in his lane. But no, he wanted his blood on the throne so naturally, his family would all be targets. That’s all on him.
I thought I'd hate Aegon, but I find him being pretty relatable. He doesn't want to be King, he's awful at it..but is genuinely trying. Throw in being a grieving father on top of it, and I pity the guy.
He's very much a tortured soul. He never wanted any of this to happen, but his horrible family forced him into this mess, and he ends up losing everything for it.
@@dv9239 no, he's still arguably a bad person who assaults maids and watches children pit fighting for fun. And even though Rhaenyra was not properly trained to rule, Aegon was _given_ that training and ignored it until the moment he was coronated. On the throne meeting with the smallfolk, his good intentions but also his inexperience are apparent.
Agnatic primogeniture is horrible. Rhaenyra would make a fine monarch but because the monarch is expected to be male she's overlooked in favor of Aegon. The best that can be said about Aegon is that he tries... except when he doesn't.
I really loved Aegon's reaction to his son's death. I expected him to have a full blown explosive rage kind of grieving. As opposed to Haelaena who was quite and into herself mostly just weeping silently. It bodes their characters well. Two very different ways of grieving.
Could be due to the fact that she actually was there when it happened, while Aegon had to hear about it later. So while she goes into shock, Aegon skips shock and goes straight to fury.
@@glowhoo9226 too late to reply and while I do agree with you, I still believe that their grieving bodes well their characters. Aegon has always been the more expressive one and Haelaena has always been quite reserved in her expressions. I expected Aegon to be full of rage and throwing wine cups around, breaking things, screaming in vengeance while Haelaena wanting to be left alone in her grief.
@@Shannon-vv6rr In the books, that's an account from Mushroom who wasn't even from King's Landing at the time😂. The show runners hate the Greens for some reason.
Season 1: "Wanna see me turn this ineffectual slub of a character into a masterfully-performed fan favorite?" Season 2: "... wanna see me do it again?"
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2:48 “I will not have my little son’s body dragged through the street like a dead dog.”
Listen, Aegon is an asshole but that line broke me 💔
I think the killing of the ratcatchers was either Crispy cream or Foot fetish guy's advice.
I never thought a character I hate I’d end up feeling so bad for him, he never wanted the throne and it was pushed on him because he’s mothers family were power hungry
but he will watch them fight with eo
It’s that “little”. There’s so much paternal love in that one word
Yeah, I think he saw him as a continuity of him yes, but also loved him as a father loves his child 🥺
Its really interesting to see aegon freaking out and breaking down over the death of his son, especially after he wanted to give him the life he himself never had (actual parenting)
“My son is my legacy”
“My son is the heir to the Iron Throne”
Aegon still doesn’t speak about Jaeherys in the past tense which is a brilliant portrayal of grief.
Denial
@@vespenegas261he’s also wasted
@@davis90a97 No doubt about that. He ate a wine factory. Or maybe two
And also not thinking as someone separate of him
@@vespenegas261
"He ate a wine factory."?
What?
''I don't wish to be a spectacle'' right after agreeing to her dead grandson to be one...
She completely failed her children
And forcing her autistic daughter to be a part of it when she was better off left grieving in peace.
And his mother who just wanted to mourn her kid in private
@@albertcoreas5162Otto taught her well
I really love how she has the same autonomy as a corpse. The show really hammers in that Alicent is a prisoner of her own cause, forced to be nothing more than a piece of jewlry worn by the men around her. She is truly a tragic character. A fool, too.
Tom's acting is superb. You can feel Aegon's anger and despair. Aegon tried being a better parent to Jaehaerys than his father was to him. Honestly the fact that he doesn't want him paraded shows that he loves his son, he doesnt want to use him as a tool. Meanwhile Otto is just idk "lets parade him for propaganda".
Well, Otto's trying to turn even something this awful to his side's advantage, cause he can tell where all this is going. As he says in the later episode, it's to gain support from the commoners and the realm for the depredations to come in the war. But it's also such a cold, totally pragmatic way of operating that it's utterly distasteful... and yet when he's gone, the Greens make serious blunders in their PR, which hurts them overall. I think that makes him so interesting here, he's a purely political operator in the room with a raw, emotional nerve. It's quietly horrifying how quickly he searches for the political angle, but it's also shown to be a powerful and important part of effectively ruling King's Landing, and the Green faction feels rudderless without someone like him in the decision room.
For people calling him Joffrey 2.0 I'd point to this. While Aegon is hardly perfect or even a good person, he's nowhere near Joffrey. He clearly does care for people, you don't get this blind rage otherwise. He clearly loved his son, and that's something that Joffrey wouldn't have done. I know Joffrey had no kids, but I think we all can guess pretty accurately what kind of father he'd be, at best he'd emulate Robert, probably even worse.
You can't. Maybe he would have been a good father.
Joffrey would have gotten mad. Not about his son, but about feeling disrespected by being attacked in his own home.
@@francescomoscato2995 yes, anyone would be.
@@CaptainLuckyLuke They really used Rhaenyra's fool's worst account of Aegon and yet claimed Blood and Cheese was exaggerated in the history by the Hightowers and 'propaganda' against Rhaenyra and Daemon. Tom Glynn Carney also recently said that the make up team spend hours trying to make him look unkempt and ugly. It's very clear Ryan Condal has an extreme bias against the Greens and as such this show cannot be deemed canon in any respect.
@@Ch50304 i think the most of us would have focused on his own son death, wouldnt we?
As theoden once said, "No parent should have to bury their child."
There is a lot of people who think Aegon deserved to have his son killed because of what he did to the maids and the fighting pit issue.
Like yeah, he's done some s*itty stuff, but leave his kids out of it. Aegon had some redeemable qualities, like wanting to be an actual father to his legitimate son. But people focus too much on the bad stuff and think that no matter what a character does for redemption, that they don't deserve it.
@@TimberlakeTigerGirl I agree. I prefer him over rhaenyra. What's scary is that people like Daemon after what he did.
@@ace9924I worry for this Fandom. You can like a character like daemon but please don't worship him.
@@TimberlakeTigerGirl The fighting pit stuff is from Mushroom who wasn't even in KL to witness that stuff and Mushroom is a really doomer-pilled narrator whose reports regarding fat queen Rhaenyra's not-so-good actions are ignored, whitewashed or blamed on the men in the show.
Yet in the quasi-medieval settings both characters are living in parents would usually bury about half their children before they reached adulthood. Even aristocrats only had a moderately better survival rate as they surely did not suffer from want but still had a poor understanding of hygiene and illnesses.
1:16 " I'll kill him myself ✨" this is why I like the character of King Aegon his passion is driving him, he's telling his council none of you want to work I'll work my self , I'll take matters into my own hand , this is why Aegon wears his armor with the crown and flies on sunfyre him self to battle field later on , this alone is enough to buy approval from solders who follow their king , a king who fights his own battles is a romantic picture for men
The Fire and Blood version was unironically kind of a badass. Bro was relentless as was his Dragon Sunfyre.
@@justinpachi3707I am genuinely liking how they are doing Aegon II this season. You can definitely see why people are loyal to him even if he is a terrible person.
@@ethanduncan1646 Honestly he seems like a genuinely personable character if you ignore the stuff in Season 1 where the had him randomly force himself on a serving girl and have children fight in the fighting pits for his entertainment. The abrupt shift they're doing in Season 2 makes his character seem like a different person ngl. Then again its probably for the best as the Greens needed serious development as last season they seemed closer to generic villains.
The responsibility of being a king changed him. in S1 he did not want to be king but once he has the crown, he takes it very seriously.
@@justinpachi3707honestly it doesn’t feel like that huge of a shift to me. It’s a little like the Prince Hal - Henry V transformation the young King goes through in the Shakespeare: (Thiugh on a smaller scale, I don’t think Aegon is nearly as self aware or Machiavellian about his youthful dalliancing as Hal), but the general concept of ‘Youthful fool wisens up/suddenly matures as King’ seems drawn from there.
Also it feels kinda realistic ngl. Aegon is in like his very early twenties right? He’s never thought he’d succeed his father who he knew hated him so he bummed around but now he has the huge responsibility and seems to be trying his best at it, though his best is so far not very good.
Tom Glynn-Carney is a fantastic actor. He truly shined. A really perfect portrayal of a raging, grieving father on the cusp of madness.
I was shooked when Aegon said "insteading of safeguarding the sanctity of my family"
I honestly thought he'd say "heir"
It's also something that he never blames Helaena for any of it. He never questions why she didn't do more or act differently, especially given that we know he doesn't think very highly of her.
Tom said in an interview that aegon views his children as a pure creation that comes from him so it makes sense
@@rosesweetcharlottei dunno if they show will go for that angle. In episode two he shows anger towards Helaena and ignores her, she runs back to her room. Show Aegon may blame her.
@@rosesweetcharlottebecause why would he expect more from a woman, especially one who is autistic? It would be madness to expect her to accomplish anything
@@jamiemohan2049he didn't look angry, he looks like he dont know how to deal with her, is the same case with her, they don't know how to deal with their feelings
0:40 Tom's way of saying "what?" gave so much character to Aegon, very impressive acting
3:20 "mother" again aegon looks for comfort and humanity and again he is used as a prop.
“Where you also threatened your Grace?”
“I COULDVE BEEN!!!”
Honestly yeah, that’s a stupid question, an assassin in the royal home is a threat to the entire family.
Exactly. They literally walked right in front of him and he was too drunk to notice.
I love how he delivers the “We know our enemy” line at 1:29 . It’s so passionate yet quirky
The moron didn't know even his sister nature to understand that Rhaenyra don't have that kind of brain for scheme.Good job Alicent.
For some reason Aegon swirling his fingers to underline "We know our enemy!" gets me.
The way Otto comes back with "not dragged, honored" I can kinda see his point, he's not winning grandfather of the year anytime soon but he's also not meaning to do what aegon says about dragging him like a dead dog.
0:12
Where you also threatend?
I COULD HAVE BEEN!
Ngl I chuckled at that
😂😂😂
Never ask that question to someone who already shattered a few glasses and decorations 0-0
Tom is for sure one of the best (if not the best) actors in the show, superb acting right there.
"And where were you, Ser Cole?!"
"I was stuffin' the muffin of your momma, Your Grace."
"BEG YOUR PARDON?!??!"
"I doth clappeth the queen mother's cheeks"
@@gerstein03 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
0:37 and 1:27 Aegon dumbfounded by that is perfection.
1:21 Notice how Criston Cole steps in front of (a very VERY angry) Aegon and gently, but firmly shoves him back to prevent him from leaving the room.
KG or not, you don't get to put your hands on the king like that, especially in front of the Queen Dowager and the Small Council. Yet Aegon doesn't shout, doesn't fight back, doesn't tell him to move aside. He just turns around without a word like a chastised kid.
Bro really is the father that stepped up.
Yeah he is a great guy Viserys was a horrible father
Aegon was really just a chaotic neutral, even in the books his biggest tipping point towards revenge was this moment.
Otto Hightower saw everyone as chess pieces to be moved to win a game, even his deceased grandson. I don't think it was until Aegon murdered all the rat catchers that Otto recognized where that path led.
Cole was safely guarding something else 🫠
You may be Team Black or Team Green but one cannot deny Aegon's pain...
Don't care😂
I’m sorry, I don’t
Any time Rhys Ifans and Tom Glynn Carney are on the screen together you know the scene is about to be brilliant
3:15 Aegon never wanted crown he took it to protect his kids and sibling from Rhaenyra and now he lost his son for price of crown something he loved for something he did not want
Tom Glynn-Carny is one of the best things to come out of this season. Also Otto is a freaking mastermind.
1:29 great acting, great line delivery
Aegon is brilliant! Fantastic actor
He stole every scene he was in.
I love the immediate hypocrisy with Alicent being cool with the parade, but not wanting to be involved herself
The saddest part of this scene is that Aegon never wanted any of this. In the book he even said to Alicent and Otto “What kind of a brother steals his sister’s throne from her?” Can’t believe the show didn’t have him say this along with how he doesn’t wanna rule and doesn’t think he’s fit for it.
This whole episode was so well done and then they just completely dropped the ball on it after. Next episode already we have Aegon all fine and dandy again, almost as if he has forgotten about Jahaerys.
And the rest of the season after that...well y'all have seen it yourselves...
It's common for people to become emotionally detached from their dead loved ones as a coping mechanism.
As for the season, blame the writers strike for that one.
Emmy for this.... please
Cole closing the door on Larys 😂
At least Ser Criston wasn’t lying…he really was in bed😂
Tbh this was a perfectly reasonable crash out
I love despite how morbid and haunting this scene is they still manage to fit in Aegon shitting on Tyland for no good reason lol
"If there is a serpant nestled closer to our bosoms"
"i suppose you're right Ironrod. It could be anyone of you in this room."
"You wished her life to be spared."
Alicent should feel ashamed of herself bedding the Lord Commander as her grandson was being murdered
Praise the writers
Sure let's blame Alicent and not Daemon who actually ordered child murder, aka "a son for a son"
@@simonrobillard They still should have been on guard, dawg.
A castle with only one guard apparently, specially in the middle of political tensions
@@bornarose11 Blame Ryan Condal for having the scene take place inside Maegor's holdfast instead of the tower of the hand, which is less heavily guarded.
Are all you people so naive that you don't realize Condal is manipulating the audience to shift the blame away from Daemon and Rhaenyra to Alicent and Criston. Blood and Cheese was supposed to be one of Daemon and Rhaenyra's darkest deed that turned the smallfolk against them, but Sevens forbid Condal makes his two favorite characters do anything evil.
Seeing otto and alicient i understand how aegon became so f*cked up,if viserys did his job as a father for aegon and raised him to be a king like him the realm would be at peace right now
Seeing Aegon going through what he did in Season 2 almost made me switch sides strictly because of Aegon and Helaena. Both suffered losses and then ignored
Alot of people seem believe Aegon is upset because he lost his son but i think there's alot more than that, he lost his chance to be a father
I don't think prior to being king Aegon ever cared for his sister wife and children
When he finally became so suddenly he realized he had a son and wanted him to be raised as a proper. So eger to raise him as a proper heir in a way his father and mother never did. He wanted to bring him to council meetings even though hes just 4.
Aegon only was now beginning to realize the importants of raising his heir and that chance was taken away from him too soon and he's so distraught over never being given that chance to be a good father.
That expression aegon gives looking at the table has so many emotions to it, Anger, sadness and regret. All in just one frame. Thats how damn good the actor played this moment.
The acting in this scene really shows his talent and commitment to the role
2:22 that was your idea Otto and how is that TG problem ?
Aegon is not Jeoffry. Aegon has a heart, Joffrey has no heart and no soul.
He Been on Fire 🔥 all season I didn’t see that coming
I feel so much for Aegon and helana both to lose a child in such a way is barbaric and deserves the worst punishment god/the gods can give
Otto: Jahaerys was my grandson?
Shouldn’t that be great-grandson?
Great-grandparents are referred to as grandparents in real life too, imagine saying "Hello, Great-Grandpa!" every time you'd speak to your great-grandfather, it would be absurd.
@@Fireground42sorry but I always called mine great grandparents.
@@Fireground42 In Spanish is just one shorter word, so I think is easier for us (spanish native speakers) to call our Great-Grandparents by the correct term, which is "Bisabuelo/a"
@@Fireground42I doubt that’s the reason. In a show where sons regularly call their fathers, “My Lord-father”, I doubt the writers thought it would be absurd of or for Otto to refer to his great-grandson as his great-grandson, especially given the context. Otto was not addressing Jaehaerys directly and personally. He describing/ referring to his relationship to Jaehaerys. It’s much more likely the writers just forgot.
You want to talk about absurd. The pretzels into which fans of the show twist themselves in order to defend every little thing is absurd. 😂
@@jamesclement8985 Imagine wasting your time arguing this instead of criticizing the actual flaws in the show like Septa Rhaenyra and how they handled blood and cheese. People are picking the dumbest things to get angry over when they have a whole entree of dumbass decisions to pick from.
He was just a kid....killed by that animal Blundet....I mean Cheese.
I can imagine if sunfyre sinced aegons rage and might've been killed a few dragonkeepers trying to calm him down 0-0
One of the more watchable characters in the show, one of the few who didn't seem dead inside.
Oscar in each hand
I stand by aegon he done nothing wrong fr
Well the rape and support of child fighting is not a good thing.
@@neodigremo never happened
@@Bigsharter It did, rewatch season 1...
@@yevgeniyaleshchenko849 Nuh uh cry abt it
@@Bigsharterit did happen, but there's no point in denying it, it's fiction after all.
Just realised Otto is actually great-grandfather, not grandfather. Oop.
0:29 I'd be pissed off too if I found out one of my bodyguards turned into a bed whilst an assassin was in the castle
00:39 - 00:55 my absolut favourite Part of Toms perfomance
I'm still remember Game of thrones 50 years
Aegon is a monster but it really felt like he tried to be a better father than Viserys ever was to him
This show is very grey. I do not know who to root for after the assassination
And that is the point. Hot D is truly GoT's successor, not a knockoff like RoP
0:26 he should have added the three magical words as well 😂😂😂
Abed.....banging your mum
Honestly as dissapointing as the lack of action this season was, the acting was on point.
Tom Glynn Carney was phenomenal 👏👏👏
Seeing Aegon be so distraught about Otto suggesting to use Jahearys as a figure head is a bit heartbreaking. Even if he is a terrible person.
3:10 really felt bad for Aegon here. Read his face Otto shut up.
Aegon saying 'mother' because he hopes for once she'll defend him and love him and she just pushes him to agree to Otto's plan
At least he is not completely lost…he truly loved his son
What an amazing actor 👏
MY WIFE AND SON ARE DEAD! I WILL NOT SIT HERE AND HAVE CROWS FEAST ON THEIR CORPSES!
Wow, where this come from?
@@WillyYalad-ep7gvIt’s what viserys said in season 1 episode 1.
i find it very sad for him his son did nothing wrong and was brutally killed off 😢
I like how the characters in this series are more three dimensional. Nobody is completely bad or completely good. Don't get me wrong though, Joffrey and Ramsey Bolton were entertaining to watch and fun to hate.
I feel like this scene best encapsulates what Otto has always thought of his family, as tools for acquiring and solidifying power and glory. His great grandson has just been savagely murdered in his own bed, his grandson is distraught over the loss of his son, and all Otto can think to do is parade a child’s corpse through the streets under the flimsy guise of honoring a young prince.
“Jaehaerys will do more for us now than a thousand knights in battle.”
That little boy didn’t deserve to die, and he didn’t deserve even more so to be reduced to a pawn in death.
Last ep was so fcked up. Poor little Targaryen...
His name was Jerry aka Jaehaerys.
Viserys rolling in his grave after his Lego set being destroyed 😂
😂😂😂😂😂
Actor playing Aegons been so good in this season
I hate the Greens, but the children didn’t need to die like that. No parent deserves to lose a child. Rhaenrya and Aegon both lost children. The revenge should have been done on Aemond if anyone. He killed Luc although Vhagar disobeyed.
Aegon’s little children didn’t deserve to die like that and neither did Luc.
The children didn’t deserve thst
Otto: “Your Grace, you can’t just say the word ‘War’ and expect anything to happen.”
Aegon: “I didn’t say it. I DECLARED it.”
Otto’s so shrewd. Is he being cruel? Absolutely. But cruelty and good advice aren’t always mutually exclusive. Guy never squanders an opportunity to throw shade on Rhaenyra and sway public opinion
I guess this is taken from British royal family, people must see the sorrow of the crown etc.
The only time were on the side of aegon
Alicent is horrified by all of this.
If aegon didn’t have so many people trying to control him 😭😭😭
There is not a single character in HOTD, like Tywin Lannister.
Charles Dance, we love you, Sir ❤
poor ex king's model city (forgot his name already)
2:23 the one time Rhaenys' massacre in the dragon pit is brought up in season 2. And instead of one of Rhaenyra's dragons killing hundreds if not thousands of peasants being a propaganda opurtunity for the greens, it is actually painted as an action that makes people like Rhaenyra more and seeing her as more legitimate. The writing is just sad.😂
Tom’s performance as Aegon is amazing
He’s Stole the season already.
@@heavenly_haori1725 right!!! Of all I side with him.... Shitty counsel, treated like garbage and belittled constantly.
Besides he was forced to become the king, he did not want his sister's right.@takotako808
Fr also the way understand his character is so beautiful and deep ❤❤❤.
true
It really broke my heart for the fact that no one in this episode genuinely tried to comfort Aegon and Haelaena. Their son was decapitated and used for propaganda. "I will not have my little son's body dragged through the streets like a dead dog."
And just a simple "why?" From Haelaena.
Yeah, that's all either of them wanted. Just someone to tell them that it was alright to grieve in the way they wanted.
They should both ask Aemond why their son is dead.
@@t-rexcellentreviews1663 Aegon and Aemond's interactions are going to be really interesting onwards. I don't know if Aegon blames Aemond for this.
@@fayedunaway8they should be, hopefully they don’t gloss over it or just ignore it, I would actually like to see how Aemond deals with this, knowing his actions led to two of his nephew’s deaths.
@@fayedunaway8 "There has to be." Of course there are scenes ready. This show is following what happened in the books. I was watching Season 2 Episode 1 when Episode 2 wasn't up I was reading what would happen next in the books and they showed the exact same thing in the show. Even though they said they would make slight changes majority of it is in the books. You would be saddened what would happen to Helaena next. She's the only green I truly like and deserves better.
aegon: what were you doing sir cole when my son died?
cole: your mum
Haha Yooo, you definitely won the internet!!
Viserys : What were you doing when your children cut Aemond's eye ?
Rhenyra : Your Brother!
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😂😂
ayooo HAHAHAH
The actor for Aegon is doing masterful work. Really feel bad for the guy, cuz an innocent child was murdered and I believe he wanted to do right by the boy unlike his father viserys.
Aegon seems very human compared to many of the other nobles, especially the other Targs. He's clearly not a particularly great king or really a smart guy in general but he's shown himself to be extremely passionate and justice-minded and he absolutely loves his family. Aegon wanted nothing more than to be a good dad and got that snatched away from him.
While his lowborn children fight in pits to the death. Great dad lol@@patrickwaldeck6681
I think he’d like a pony ride
@@patrickwaldeck6681 The tragedy of it is further compounded by him never even having a desire to steal his sisters throne until it was thrust upon him.
It really only gets worse for him too lol
"The blood of their children turned a dynastic dispute into a war of annihilation. The grief and rage of losing a child could burn down the entire world. Either Aegon or Rhaenyra could live at the end, but not both."
-Catelyn Stark
Aegon didn’t really live. He killed Rhaenyra but he was crippled in battle and had a sh*t life…
@@alexmartin3143 There were no winners, only two monumental losers.
@@ecthox-1mork909 The winners were the great houses of Westeros, no more dragons to worry about from House Targaryen.
@@SplendidFactorSo true. During the war, I imagine all Westeros thought "A whole family tree hates themselves, and we have to pay for It". But at the end was probably like "finally, the dragon problem solved itself".
@@SplendidFactor You need a thousand more likes for this one.
It is a nice touch (and quite heartbreaking) that during his raving, Aegon says "My son *is* my legacy. My son *is* heir to the iron throne." not "was" my legacy or "was" heir. He's still talking in present tense as though Jaehaerys were still alive cause he hasn't even come to terms with his son's death yet.
Yes. I never noticed that till just now
This shows how much Aegon truly loved his son!
It’s bad enough to lose a child to sickness or disease. It’s potentially even worse waking up to find your kid dead and without a head.
You are giving this terrible, badly written show far, far too much credit.
@@rollingstoned8417 í am not going to hear about bad writing from a guy with beta cuck in his profile picture.
“I will not have my little son’s body dragged through the street like a dead dog.”
Even Aegon is a better father than Otto.
Aegon is a better parent than Alicent as well
Otto wanted his family to stay alive he didn't plan ahead to make sure they were also good people.
@@gottesurteil3201 Same mistake Tywin made. Tunnel visioned on House and family while neglecting his own children and grandchildren.
@@gottesurteil3201His family could’ve stayed alive if he wasn’t too ambitious. He could’ve been the hand of the king for many years after Viserys if he stayed in his lane.
But no, he wanted his blood on the throne so naturally, his family would all be targets. That’s all on him.
@@gottesurteil3201Otto sold his daughter for power.
Aegon would never fire or kill Cole cuz he’s been more of a father to him than his own father ever was
its true , but i wish they showed this
@Alex-bz8lj Ummm.............probably right!
He is just a broken King 😢
@@НикитаСимонян-ж5еSame
been more of a father to both boys than viserys
I thought I'd hate Aegon, but I find him being pretty relatable. He doesn't want to be King, he's awful at it..but is genuinely trying. Throw in being a grieving father on top of it, and I pity the guy.
He's very much a tortured soul. He never wanted any of this to happen, but his horrible family forced him into this mess, and he ends up losing everything for it.
@@LukeFitzgerald-bh1zthe watches his own children fight to the death for his entertainment. He’s not a ‘tOrTuReD sOuL’ he’s a bullying rapist.
Tbh he's a pretty good king who wants to relate to the common folk
The show is trying hard to paint him as bad to make Rhaenyra look good
@@dv9239 no, he's still arguably a bad person who assaults maids and watches children pit fighting for fun. And even though Rhaenyra was not properly trained to rule, Aegon was _given_ that training and ignored it until the moment he was coronated. On the throne meeting with the smallfolk, his good intentions but also his inexperience are apparent.
Agnatic primogeniture is horrible. Rhaenyra would make a fine monarch but because the monarch is expected to be male she's overlooked in favor of Aegon. The best that can be said about Aegon is that he tries... except when he doesn't.
“Mother….” Aegon tried. He tried every single time to let her know that he needed her; he needed comfort, consolation, rest, care. An actual mother.
0:38 “Who did this?! Who di… What??”
Love that bit
He was utterly dumbfounded at that. It's perfect!
Absolutely funny
He’s def got jokes 😂
Also right when Larys walks in ay
It’s a perfectly natural reaction from a grief stricken drunk, it feels perfectly genuine.
I really loved Aegon's reaction to his son's death. I expected him to have a full blown explosive rage kind of grieving. As opposed to Haelaena who was quite and into herself mostly just weeping silently. It bodes their characters well. Two very different ways of grieving.
Could be due to the fact that she actually was there when it happened, while Aegon had to hear about it later. So while she goes into shock, Aegon skips shock and goes straight to fury.
@@glowhoo9226 too late to reply and while I do agree with you, I still believe that their grieving bodes well their characters. Aegon has always been the more expressive one and Haelaena has always been quite reserved in her expressions. I expected Aegon to be full of rage and throwing wine cups around, breaking things, screaming in vengeance while Haelaena wanting to be left alone in her grief.
Aegon loved his children. He has every right to be angry and vengeful.
Thank you ser Jaime
Except the ones he let fight for entertainment
Meanwhile Otto be like.
Hmm this is a great opportunity your grace! Let's use the death of your child as a propaganda!
@@guccifer764 It would be the Blackfyre rebellions all over again
Trueborn ones. The 1s he knows exist.
Aegon may not have been the best king by any means, but he really loved his kids and that’s something that Joffrey would never understand
Yep. Aegon's a vile person, but he's still miles above Joffrey.
I mean, only if they're royal.. the rest of his kids are in fighting pits that he enjoys and funds or did everyone forget this 🙄
@Shannon-vv6rr yeah the comment section is hilarious
@@Shannon-vv6rrI too believe mushroom propaganda
@@Shannon-vv6rr In the books, that's an account from Mushroom who wasn't even from King's Landing at the time😂.
The show runners hate the Greens for some reason.
Season 1: "Wanna see me turn this ineffectual slub of a character into a masterfully-performed fan favorite?"
Season 2: "... wanna see me do it again?"