Lady Stoneheart & Littlefinger (A Song of Ice and Fire)
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Actually, I have always believed this. As much as everyone loves Arya doing everything, Sansa is the Stark closest narratively to Stoneheart, Riverland... In my opinion, Sansa will either travel to Riverland meeting Stoneheart or this will happen... But definitely, Sansa's destiny is to retake Riverrun and Harrenhall, if not, finish off the Freys.
The Frey, more than enemies of the Starks, are enemies of the Tullys, and there is no Stark more Tully narratively than Sansa. She will be the one to bring "revenge" on the southern lords. Not Arya.
I hope not. Would make Arya’s whole training for nothing.
I can’t wait to see what GRRM is doing with the books
@@YourGraceMyLadyhe’s eating burgers drinking sodas at the age of 75, and helping direct shows. Building generational wealth rather than pleasing the fans.
I would say its Arya/Cat and Sansa/Ned, in terms pf narrative and plot
@@Ogzay202Sounds like you’re missing the point of Arya’s story then.
I ought to stop watching this kind of video. It makes make me even more impatient fort the Winds of Winter. Damn !
I surely hope that Lady Stoneheart doesn't die right at the begning of TWOW with Brianne and Jaime. It seems like such a waste to not have her meet and interact with at the very least one or two of her family. Be it her children, her husband's bastard, her uncle, her little brother by blood or her little brother by consideration.
Agreed.
Too complex for GRRM, the Gardener has allowed the weeds to overgrow lol
His garden is just an extension of the wild outside the fence.
It really is quite sad. Oh well.
yeah I don’t think we are ever getting another novel out of him. I wish he’d just admit it.
Maybe someone will be able to finish it for him. Kinda like how Tom Clancy novels didn't totally end with his death. They just become inspired by the source instead of from the source itself lol. He probably has a book and a half already done and just isn't happy with it. Too close to his work.
@@thoughtbomb6490I feel like if he finishes it or not, if he dies before it’s finished they will release it either unfinished or have a ghost writer use his notes and plans, things he said to close friends and family or something like that, sort of like what they’re doing for kentaro miuras “berserk” or what Christopher Tolkien did with JRR Tolkiens notes and journals and personal letters and what not he left behind, as much as it probably sometimes feels like to a lot of us I’m sure has a substantial amount written, maybe not a substantial amount completed, none of it edited but you gotta remember his books often pass the 1000 page mark with ease, I think one was 1500, and he says winds will probably be the longest, I think he’s very much caught between feeling the pressure to work but also enjoying his golden years, buckets of money, vast network of old and brand new friends, innumerable events and award shows and galas etc etc where people literally line up around the block just to laud and flatter and kowtow to his genius. I believe we will get winds of winter, I believe it bc that’s all the power I have to do in the situation so I’ll hold out hope to the end even if he were to “god forbid” pass on, I think I’d still hold onto and keep hope for at least a few to maybe even several years after that. Lol. But I’m also a pragmatist and I think “a dream of spring” maybe probably very and even more unfortunately, very unlikely will be be and possibly and I hate saying this word in this situation, probably, remain just as its name implies. A Dream. Who knows tho maybe if and when he releases winds of winter maybe all the road blocks will fall away and all the weeds in his garden will be plucked or at least pruned and he’ll fly through the last book, he wrote on of them in like 2 years and he was old then too so who knows
Cliffhanger went crazy in the books
who knows if we'll ever see what happens
@@durjoymaitra3840not likely
Fat waldas dads POV chapter is so good
@@durjoymaitra3840 Definitely won't be seeing GRRM finish the story, that's for damn sure.
I hope and pray that stoneheart and Littlefinger meet in the books and some s*** goes down!
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what books? the series is over.
@@BR-re7oz sarcasm is a tool of the devil's Anus lol Bwahahahaha
Littlefinger would die of fright when he sees the Undead Catelyn.
@@ahmedshaharyarejaz9886 one way or another I'm sure he will
Tbh nothing would be crazier then having Petry thinks he's gonna win all the way up too marrying Sansa even inviting Sansas "family" through fake Arrya and the Bolton's and then Lady Stoneheart steps in the room...
It’d be crazy funny if Littlefinger died to Lady Stoneheart/Catelyn, the woman he’d spent years loving
i highly doubt it, sansa's prophecy is that she will kill littlefinger back in winterfell, most likely after she finds out what he did do Jeyne Poole
@@hydroking2969 Or it will be a mix of both, we could get a Sansa chapter where she interrogates Petyr after she learns about Jeyne, but they're interrupted because Stoneheart and the BWB are persuing them through the Vale (quite like a scene in a horror movie where the monster pursues it's victim) and the chapter would end with the Brotherhood knocking out both Sansa and Petyr and Sansa sering her undead mother for the first and Petyr being taken as prisoner by them!
@@hydroking2969 You mean Ramsay? LF only had her trained, Dany had a teacher to make Drogo happy as well. Who wants a woman that lies down like a dead fish, while demanding the missionary position? What was he supposed to do with her, send her to live rent free in the magical lands of milk and honey? She's basically a peasent, her father is dead, she's thousands of miles from home through wartorn areas and can't afford the trip or a reason for LF to give her up. Jeyne was given to him by the Queen, if he spirited her away it might raise issues if she's asked to be brought before them for some reason. There's a reason why all the major KL players are wishing LF was back; Cersei, Kevan, Jaime etc.
Would much prefer this to Sansa having something to do with it. LF is too smart, but Kat being his weakness… he’d still shoot his shot with Lady Stoneheart, man has no shame 😂 throat cut open or not, he’d still try for it
I think Sansa will get disgusted by both the slow poisoning of Sweetrobin and the Creepy Uncle Slimey who calls her his daughter and wants "better" kisses from her. She will outscheme him, yes. Save his life? No.
_You want to see him as king?_ That's revolting!
If the Hound is the gravedigger. lady stone heart may learn about Baelish betraying Ned from him
It would be incredible if Sandor and the Blackfish joins the Brotherhood.
Game of thrones should’ve been animated. Would had a better visual outcome!
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One of the saddest parts of the entire story, for me, is that Katelyn never had the chance to discover how noble & faithful Ned actually was & how much of his good name & integrity he was willing to sacrifice for the safety of his nephew. She would've >hopefully< felt like such an asshole for her behavior but the benefits to her marriage, self esteem & marital security would've outweighed the cringe she'd feel self reflecting on past decisions before knowing the truth. Plus, a storyline uncovering years of scandal & the character development that would result would've made great television.
I think a Lady Stoneheart and Arya reunion is more likely than a reunion with Sansa, Jon, or Littlefinger. I suspect the show omitted Lady Stoneheart because on the surface her motivations are similar to Arya's. Revenge. Arya has her kill list. We have seen her kill people on her list because of her desire for revenge. Stoneheart is doing the same thing but closer to home. And some of their targets overlap, such as Walder Frey. There's another link between these two characters. Nymeria. The direwolf dragged Cat's body out of the water while Arya was warging into her. Arya doesn't understand that she is indirectly responsible for her mother's resurrection. If Nymeria doesn't drag Cat's body out of the river, Beric can't resurrect her. Nymeria is in the Riverlands, which makes it very likely that Stoneheart will run into the direwolf, even recognize it. And if Arya is warged into Nymeria than Arya might see her mother reanimated as Stoneheart. Will this be the catalyst for Arya to return to Westeros? And when she does return, will she look for her mother? What will happen if Arya reunites with her mother? Will she embrace her or be Horrified at what she's become? And what does that do to Aryas own thirst for vengeance? Will Arya decide to giver Stoneheart the gift of the many faced God and kill her so she can finally rest in peace? What would killing her own mother do to Arya emotionally and psychologically after all the trauma she has already endured?? The emotional payoff to Stoneheart's arc is not with Sansa or Jon. The payoff is with Arya. Cat wanted Arya so much to be a proper lady, in other words, she wanted Arya to be more Tully and less Starkish. But in the end, Cat became more like Arya, feral and dangerous. This is the reunion I believe will happen. Stoneheart will eventually die again. And Arya will have a final choice, surrender her humanity and become like her mother, or reject her thirst for revenge and become more human again.
The black fish will always be my favorite Tully
Not Kermit, Elmo or Grover?
He is a badass and a smart ass.
I actually felt bad for edmure tho.
I can imagine Stoneheart torturing the shit out of Littlefinger.
I don’t know why but I have a gut feeling that the brotherhood will turn on Lady Stone Heart and kill her or banish her.
i have a gut feeling we will never know because George has writers block.
Not sure I believe in zombie Jon - he went into Ghost, so he should return as pretty much himself, only with some wolfish behaviors, like eating meat raw maybe?
And since being a wight isn't the best 2nd life someone can have, i picture post-ressurrection Jon's body being a full alive one, but with traits like super-human abilities, which will be needed when the New Long Night knocks the door!
Being robbed of live action lady stoneheart is a travesty of justice.
I think LSH will ressurect no one at all, but will die willingly enough by Arya's hand.
I think the thing that will bring Littlefinger down will be Ned. It would be such poetic justice if his involvement in Ned's arrest was revealed to Sansa or any other Stark, and that does him in (maybe not immediately, but I can see Sansa *internally* turning on him then.
We’re never getting Winds of Winter…
We will. It is pretty much completed. I think all the shows and contracts are fucking it up. We won't see it until all the spinoffs wrap up. I think he will release winds and dreams about a year or two apart or as a set. Question is will he live to see it.
Littlefinger? More like Schmittlefinger
Fittleschminger!!
The night is dark and full of schmittlefingers
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He said to his mother
No need to wake up, already saw the video in the flames
Great video as always!
Did you just say "Have Robin Arryn fostered by Tywin Lannister"? Because that's wrong, he was going to be fostered by Stannis Baratheon on Dragonstone. Sending him to Tywin would be both literally and metaphorically sending him into the lion's den
After Jon Arryn and Stannis realized Cersei's kids weren't king Robert's Jon planned to send his son to Dragonstone to keep him safe before confronting the queen. Cersei learned that Jon knew the truth of her kids and told Robert B that the heir to the Vayle should be fostered with her father, Tywin. Robert agreed and asked Tywin, who also agreed. So while Jon originally wanted his son to be safe at Dragonstone, Cersei was essentially going to make the boy hostage to Jon's silence.
@@Saphira1001fanfic Pretty sure that's wrong, what happened was Jon Arryn discovered the truth and made arrangements for Stannis to foster Sweetrobin specifically so he'd be out of the way of the Lannisters, hence why Lysa went to Littlefinger in the first place. If it were Cersei and Robert's decision, then killing Jon would accomplish nothing, and Lysa wouldn't have gone for it.
I think he was to be fostered by Tywin in the show but not the books.
@@whensomethingcriesagain See GoT book 1 chapter 4.
@@atari947 see GoT book 1 chapter 4
Nobody thinks that Arya will travel with the Mummer's troupe to KL to do the "Evil Dwarf Play" and maybe kill or hurt Cersei by warging the "bad cat" the "real king o the castle" - who might be the kitten that the slain princess called Balerion..
Nobody thinks so but me!
Ser Pounce shall get revenge!
Keep em coming brother!!!!!!
King littlefinger would honestly drive me crazy 😂😂
And wheres the Blackfish? Soooo many cliffhangers, my patience is running out
And Dark Star....
I really hope he'll be involved in the fight against the White Walkers. His death in the show was so disappointing.
Youre missing a couple of things..1 what has the lord of light got planned for stone heart?..and if little finger loved kat then why did he let her get murdered?
damn son wondered if you were even alive with how much time there is between uploads
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You commented within 8 seconds of posted. That's dedication.
@@haslum15you commented a minute after that lol
Thought in the show he would go after boltons since they helped off Kat but then again maybe once she was dead and stoneheart wasn’t gonna show up, he “kinda forgot” about her. And then he was taken down by two little girls lmao, what.
LF and Jamie got did dirty in the show. Tyrion. Sansa (not a character I care about but it was just torture p0rn). But I’m most upset over Jamie’s destruction of such a well constructed arc with one dang sentence. Dani was just laughable in the end. Jon was boring. His lineage meant nothing 😂 what would have been one of the bigger reveals in the books meant absolutely nothing in the show (and we had to hear “I dunt wunt it” and “yer muh queen” a million times). Arya and the NK makes no sense. The red woman was like whatever. And her line about eye color w Arya they changed around to try and shoehorn it in like hey we planned this all along. Sure ok guys.
Wait wait what was this video about again, I’ve been ranting. Oh yeah. LF and Lady Stoneheart lol
Oh and Varys. Poor Varys. Him and Lf had the best jabs at each other. The whole “fearing my gash” line kills every time.
Edited for spelling bc it’s 4am and I have a touch of the insomnia and slow brain.
Do a video about The Golden Company next please 🙏
I'm sad Black Fish never through Lysa down the Moondoor
George just give us the fucking book
This was a very interesting take. I enjoyed thoroughly, thank you :).
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Brynden wouldn't know anything about Littlefinger killing Lysa just that she's dead and he married her
Do you think that George R.R. Martin's future books in this series have been altered by the tv show at all??
Random question do we know who was the master of coin before Baelish?
LittleFinger? More like Middlefimbers.
the ramsay art was done by gibilynx btw, missing in description
I just wanna know, what happenedto the Artist?
Karma will get to Littlefinger, thats what I think.
She could give him Robb's crown.
at this point I honestly don’t like George. He’d rather whine about Trump than finish his story.
He mostly digs his followers, you know, people like you. Calling you people out doesn't take that long, so no, that's not the reason the book hasn't come out. I don't think he cares if you like him 😂
I have a stupid theory as to what happens to little finger...ultimately he just ends up right back where he started but this time with no way to climb the social ladder. I think it would be far more cruel than killing him
The Ghost of High Heart already dreamed about his death, I'm guessing he'll die the same way as he did in the show.
WC!!!!!!
Would love to see more Dune lore videos from you, Dune Part 2 was breathtaking. Hope to hear your thoughts on it.
Damn made me remember that in the crypts only Ned was there. Rickon was buried 4 seasons later.
"She can be the brains of the operation" so she'd be the smartest person we know?
Do you think Sansa and Tyrion will stay married in the books?
There won't have a face off: it has never been a feature of Peter. Also, we shouldn't take Lady Stoneheart as a resurected Catlyn Tully: she is a zombie, Berric shoudln't have raise her from the dead, I'm not even sure she is really able to think, I believe she is more into stock thoughts. As Jon... "zombie" Jon as you call him now has good chance to become the new Night King (not the tv show one) so, who reign over Winterfell and the waste land of the North... and even the whole kingdom is quiet irrelevant right now.
Wtf? This is not the real Jon Snow...
You know what'd be cool? Littlefinger should get a short POV chapter in the next book, so we get to hear stream-of-consciousness thoughts for a little bit. Because I suspect those thoughts will prove him to be FAR closer to chaotic neutral than to chaotic evil! Or at least, maybe his thoughts will prove he's not ALWAYS just playing the long game of trying to advance himself.
Baelish seems, deep down in there somewhere, to have a motivation other than pure self-interest. His obsessions with Cat and Sansa prove that: putting aside for a moment that his attentions to the woman/en he loves have done THEM far more harm than good, his attentions (especially to Sansa) also have put HIM at great risk. A man whose whole motive is self-preservation and advancement would NEVER put himself at such risk, even if he thinks he'll get to f^#k what HE thinks is his ex-girlfriend vicariously through her daughter.
Surely his zeal for revenge upon the Starks for humiliating him all those years ago is equally as strong as his lusts are, and he was willing to postpone that pleasure indefinitely when he initially approached Ned to help him let Stannis take the throne after Robert. So why wouldn't he postpone his attentions to Sansa until AFTER he wrapped up the Lysa/Sweetrobin situation, if all he wanted was some p00n?
I suspect that Petyr legitimately cares for Sansa and Cat, and not just as they relate to him. But it comes out weird because he just thinks that he knows what's best for them. And maybe he estimated that the short-term pain of Ned being sent to the wall, and all the rest, would be worth it for Cat and her family in the long run, because that was the only path to their future true happiness, which somehow his ascension to power would help bring to fruition.
(Bear in mind, Baelish did not know about the Red Wedding, so didn't suspect his actions would get Cat killed. And I assume he did not know Joffrey would cut off Ned's head, though of course it's not impossible that he might have had a hand in influencing him! So while his actions helped lead to Cat's death and Sansa's misery/orphan status, his real intentions towards Cat's family seem to have been much less tragic, even if not at all supportive!)
And if Petyr cares about Cat and Sansa, what about the rest of the realm? Does he share any of Varys' secret love for "the people" in a way that might justify his actions, in his own mind, against the tyrants who rule over them? Is his true motivation to tear down the edifices that make all these noble, foolish, often sociopathic families think they're better than their bannermen and smallfolk?
That's the kind of stuff I would like to learn more about from Petyr. And while I definitely don't think it would be good to have a Petyr POV chapter where he just spills the beans about ALL his past schemes and ALL his future plans, I think watching his thoughts for a moment as he rides to the next castle or whatever could potentially make him seem even MORE complex than he already is. And we all know of Martin's skill in having POV chapters reveal JUST enough to give us a few tantalizing clues.
I watched a video about his connection with simbolism about First Men, his whole plan might be achieve a more "democratic" system letting lowborn people like him getting to the throne and a personal redemption for what happened with Cat and Brandon Stark by crowning Sansa his queen of love and beauty at Harrenhal. However, he probably started not one but two civil wars, in the case he lied to Brandon Stark about Lyanna's "kidnapping", and he wanted Ned dead for sure, since he's the most plausible suspect for hiring Jaqen, whose presence in the Black Cells can not otherwise be explained (Ned would have been killed on the way to the Wall after taking the black).
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Show is better cuz it makes Sansa start to be a player by saving Littlefinger to her advantage, fuck Marillion
I'm confused about whether you're talking about the books or the show. It can't be both, Lady Stone Heart isn't even in the show, so why do you talk about stuff that happens in the show vs. The books?
He talked about the show for 3 seconds man
@alalmalal it wasn't 3 seconds, he started talking about things that happened in the show as if it were in the books. Lady Stone heart wasn't even in the show, clearly to talk about the show when you're talking about Lady Stone Heart doesn't make sense at all.
Over the past year I've gone from very optimistic that another book would be published to all but certain that it won't happen. :(