I never really questioned why Sydney was living in the woods secluded. She survived 2 attempted killings. It’s not crazy to think a ptsd person like that would go live off in the woods alone
I figured she went to a different state and moved country side. No neighbors no way to be seen. But if someone followed her dad unnoticed thatd be a problem for her. But yeah with her trauma it make s perfect sense. Some people too dont like all the noise and busyness of cities.
In Scream 2 I can imagine she wouldn't think being out in the open was a bad idea. She was chased around by a serial killer a year or two ago, oh well, continue on with your life. Then Scream 2 happens and she has the mother of the man she killed, and a man obsessed with imitating the man that tried to kill her, both trying to kill her......Yeah, we didn't need a long drawn out opening sequence showing us why Sidney's living in the woods. When you have people trying to copy the people who tried to kill you to finish what they started, you'd fucking hide for the rest of your life. The sequels flat out show that there are people who dream about chasing down and killing Sidney to do what the others couldn't, like Sidney said in Scream 5 "I'm Sidney fucking Prescott, of course I own a gun."
So Sydney getting attacked by two different groups of killers, wouldn’t have provided her motivation to just go somewhere where people didn’t know her? Is that what we’re going with here?
I've never really hated Scream 3. I don't it's as bad as people make it out to be and it's certainly not as bad as other horror movie franchises that have 10+ sequels. The Scream movies are quite possibly the best in terms of continuity or just the fact that they're all really easy to get into and follow unlike most slasher movie sequels. I think people forget that they're just slasher movies and that they really only have to be Fun not Oscar worthy cinema. Don't get me wrong, I wish all the Scream movies were as good as the first movie but we all know that nothing ever lives up to the original movie in almost any franchise no matter what the genre is which is the characters argument within Scream 2. Another piece of unintentional meta irony is the plot of Scream 3 having a sleazy Hollywood producer at the center of the story and then having the whole Weinstein thing happen is crazy meta and as tragic as you can get.
I’ve always liked Scream 3 better then 2 although I don’t consider either film close to being as good as the original or even Scream 4. What sets 3 above 2 for me is despite the underwhelming reveal, I think the third act is far more exciting.
I loooove scream 3. It’s so campy! And I like how it tied to the first 2 films. Plus, I think treequals usually add an ethereal element to non magical films, which is a rule randy missed. Also Parker Posey lmao ‘YOure obsessed with HER! And you’re obsessed with her DAUGHTER!”
Bringing back Stu from the dead would have been absolutely dreadful. Stu was never even brought up in the 2nd film, not even as a throwaway "Stu's still locked up in prison, so we know he's not the killer". If he survived he would have gone through the legal process in some fashion, probably a highly publicised event regardless of whether or not he plead guilty or chose to have a trial. Either way, resurrecting him would essentially render Mickey's motive from the 2nd film, to blame the movies and have a big trial, utterly pointless.
THANK YOU. Stu being the killer would be have been just ridiculous and bad. I think Scream 3 gets unnecessary hate--I can honestly say I like it better than Scream 2.
THANK YOU! I love Matthew as Stu but bringing him back seems waaay too silly and unbelievable/dumb to me. (And I can buy a *lot* of silly/dumb shit.) And sooo many people are begging for his return. (There is NO way he survived and no one knew about it or mentioned it since then.) I’m *SO* glad that they haven’t tried to bring him back.
@@radlee974 it may have worked for scream 3 original idea but that was 22 years ago..it won't work now plus..he was also stabbed multiple times...he would of died from loss of blood
It's still so weird that Scream is in the same universe as Jay and Silent Bob. By this logic, I wouldn't be surprised if Wes Craven's New Nightmare was also in his timeline if they exist.
Disagree about the characterizations of the trio. Gale is pure Gale, Sidney has sensible development following part 2 and Dewey is still loveable and determined.
There's a lot of Monica Geller in Gale in Scream 3, that is the ONLY one I can give, and I truly don't think it was the writters fault, perhaps it was the directon given to focuse more on the comedic tone that Courteney pulled her Monica unconciously, that is the only one I do see.
as it has many flaws i still feel Scream 3 has one of the best most eerie scenes when Sydney is dreaming and sees her mother in her secluded house, everything about that scene is perfect and is genuinely haunting and the music just adds to the creepiness
Yeah, but those scenes lean too much into the supernatural. Yes, I know they are dream sequences, but the tone of those scenes don't fit with Scream- much too typical of a horror cliche. And how is that she was having eerie dreams about her mother coincidentally as Roman was taunting her in bloody sheets and such? Too much of a coincidence.
I agree with both of you, while I really loved the scenes with her mum, and I actually found it to be some of the creepier scenes in the whole franchise, it definitely stood out and a little out of place when compared to everything else, dream sequence or not.
That’s the best scene in the entire movie. I literally got shivers the first time I watched it. Too bad about the forced comedy in the movie, though. It was on par with Scary Movie, and that’s not a compliment
I KNEW IT!!! It's always been my theory that Angelina was involved as Roman's partner. As you said, Ghostface was in too many spots at once and Angelina was unaccounted for. It was my theory that as Roman got closer to his end game, he didn't need Angelina anymore so off to her so he would get all the credit. After all, he would follow his own advice "get a partner to sell out in case you get caught."
I remember hearing one original plot Kevin Williamson wanted was to have a cult of Stab fans coming together to stalk Sidney, taking the appearance of Ghostface. The ending twist reveals everyone who died in her college was all a morbid prank, and nobody was killed. A very April Fools Day style ending. Which probably would've upset fans but I don't mind it, because it would've one of the only original ideas for the 3rd movie.
To be fair, stu being any kind of mastermind goes pretty much against what the character ended up being. Maybe it made sense before lillard was cast or before they rewrote the script making stu more of a sidekick.
Stu was removed from the script 3 months before preproduction His role was recruiting highschoolers to do the killings from inside prison for a "cult". It was scrapped because of columbine happened and so they rewrote the script.
I'm glad we got THIS "Scream 3" The first SCREAM is iconic and SCREAM 2 was almost as good. I think i was in 7th grade when i saw SCREAM 3 in theatre, but didn't realize Columbine had such an effect on it. I remember trying to find a seat while Cotton Weary was driving like a madman to get home. The killer reveal was weak and i didn't like the ghost of Sid's mother stalking her, but i actually did enjoy the comedy elements of it, especially Parker Posey.
I remember going to the cinema to watch the original and it certainly breathed new life into the slasher film which was on its way out back then. It's sequels are a mixed bag but I always watch them all back to back once every couple of years and they have great re-watch value
I just love to un ironically Scream 3 lays out Hollywood’s Sleazy culture…. Shame this entry was super “Lite” on the gore and violence ….. grew to love it years later….
I don’t hate Scream 3 but I do HATE two aspects of it that just bother me so bad. First the voice changer is just so cheap and makes no sense, it’s 2022 and I still have no clue how that tech would work. All the trickery it caused just irked me to my core. The second is when Gail checks Romans pulse and he doesn’t have one but then he’s the killer tf??? I wish Stu would’ve come back and I know Matthew Lillard wanted it too, he’s totally a highlight of the series even tho he’s only in the first one and I think we all miss him. I don’t understand why it was so rushed, they should have just altered the timing of filming rather than just slapping this together.
@@frankwest9304 It's still not perfect and would be very noticeably fake. Linus Tech Tips used Deepfake voice technology and it took a sound-a-like, a powerful AI and a sample of Linus' voice to make it work quite right. The way it is used in the movie is very sci-fi even for 2020 technology.
I stand by Milton was the second killer in scream 3. Milton being a second killer makes the most sense although it just never got revealed bcus I think Roman wanted to make everyone think he was did everything alone
Scream 3 is Citizen Kane compared to Freddy’s Dead, Jason X, Halloween: Resurrection, or Hellraiser 5-10 (or any Hellraiser after Hellbound, depending on who you ask). And they’ve still managed to top it with the two most recent sequels, so I think all the hate this movie still gets to this day is a little tired and uncalled for.
I really like Scream 3. It's goofy and fun. It also has some of the best quotes of the whole franchise. I find it to be quite underrated. It's my favorite horror franchise, and yeah, it might be slump in the series, it's far from a bad movie
Ok. I love scream 3. I must be in the minority! I thought it was hilarious. I would have watch a full movie of just the 2 Gales trying to solve a murder together. Shit was hilarious!
🔥👌🏼just found this channel and am watching all the old WTF videos now. Don’t know what the others are about but I’ll maybe watch them when I’m done doing the WTF vids
I haven't seen the latest Scream, but this one is my favorite. Hearing about these behind the scenes troubles, and how the final movie turned out, and the open secrets being kept in Hollywood, no wonder this movie is very anti-Weinstein.
I still get mad thinking about what the franchise could have been if we had gotten Williamson's version of Scream 3 with Stu as the bad guy. I've also heard there was a plan to do something like having all the victims actually be faking their deaths and actually working with Stu, possibly part of a cult - and I also love that idea. Williamson wound up using the idea for The Following - a show I also loved but can admit had alot of flaws.
It does have that delicious homage to 'Psycho' when Sidney is following her mother's voice in the set house, and the camera shots directly imitate those from 'Psycho'. I was studying the film at the time, so it was a happy coincidence in my life. :)
I'm going to say that so far in my marathon Scream 3 is my favorite scream so far, I only have to watch Scream 4, since I have already seen screams 1-3 and 5-6.
I really like Scream 3, the LA setting and the Stab cast and the mother stuff was pretty creepy. Granted the killer reveal wasn't as good as the others but in general I liked it when I saw it in the cinema and 1-3 will always be the originals to me. 4 & '5' are like the new generation. Still good but different series.
In my brain, one of the most defining presences in the Scrum movies is Cotton Weary. I imagine that it is he who is singing "The Red Right Hand." It just looks like if he went up on stage to sing, he'd have that sort of voice, and he'd be creating the Woodsboro Scrum Ghostface atmosphere!
Wes Craven said the Angelina development could never ever even be sold so it wasn't late in the game. They couldn't even sell it that way. By the time filming came around that idea was gone already. She seems obvious because they instead just made her a red herring as other characters have been given across the movies (Kirby in 6).
If you look back at Scream 2, it's always mentioned how Billy was killed, never Stu. Sidney even said herself she killed him. So I see what Kevin Williamson was doing with his setup of making Stu the killer in the third film.
@@nathanielbacon2661 It wasn't until this video that I realized it. Everytime I heard about Stu coming back, I always thought it was dumb because it didn't make sense. But then it clicked in my head that Stu being in jail wouldn't necessarily be brought up in Scream 2 because what purpose would that conversation have? Especially if his being the killer was a surprise being saved for Scream 3.
I found it funny how this movie had a lot of rewrites and we end up with some story about how movie producers take advantage of small actress to get bigger roles and years later it comes out with how Harvey Weinstein was doing the same things as the movie was trying to shine light on it!! Really sort of bragging about if you think about it Just my thoughts really
The whole concept being so meta, I always thought the big final reveal would be like a cross between the Trueman show & the purge. The people giving horror trope tips were actors, everyone else was living in this sick hunger games hyper-realism TV slasher show. Imagine at the end some "dead" people are production crew.
I still stand by that having Stu return is the dumbest thing ever. First of all, him surviving that massive TV falling on his face sounds implausible. Second of all, literally no one else has mentioned that Stu is still alive. Surely after 3 times of killers coming back, someone would mention that Stu is still alive and in prison.
100% Agree. I rather prefer the concept of Sidney's half brother: it gives meaning to Maureen's behaviour (not just a slut, but an abused woman in Hollywood's couch casting system), and turns the meta into the making of the movie sequel inspired by the murders inspired by horror movies... I love Kruger's writing (specially in Arlington Road), but I only wish Williamson had made this version of the script)...
@@pdzombie1906 Supposedly the plot of the new film that's coming out next week revolves around Woodsboro and Maureen's murder. I heard it's sort of a prequel.
Thank you for perfectly putting into words what felt so off about this movie! It doesn't matter how enjoyable it might've been -- being funny or campy or intense or what have you -- the issue is that it doesn't fit in well with the Scream mold! Had it been a stand alone film with different characters that's another story; but since what we received was not the projected track that the story was supposed to go on, it feels so disconnected from the first two
It makes me wonder if they weren’t so adamant of production commencing when it did and waited for Kevin Williamson to be able to do a rewrite of his script, if Williamson would have been able to salvage enough of his original idea for Scream 3 to be able to be seen on the big screen. I think Scream 3 is the weakest in the franchise, but it’s not bad. Hearing what the original idea for the film is makes me wonder if it could have worked had enough time been allowed for Wes Craven to be able to create an ending of the trilogy that would have been satisfying for everyone making the film and the audience at large. It’s one of those what ifs that we won’t get to see.
Theres even more to this. The actor that played roman did not even know he would be the killer until shooting through the movie. Many changes and re writtes. Also heard while 1st script was def angelina as 2nd killer 2nd script was to use her to throw us off as dewey would be the guy that helped roman. 3rd was kinkaid to also be the guy that helped roman. Lots of situations. Plus they didnt want too much blood also the company wantex to turn this into more of a cat & mouse chase thriller type as sidney goes on the run. This had sooooo much problems im actually happy with how it turned out. Who knows the new one can help tie the loose ends here and actually show that roman had a helper for new reveal
That's an old Hollywood trick that is still used to this day not telling anybody including actor who is the killer until almost the end because after all they are just human like the rest of us Keeping a Secret like that is not easy for anybody
I think for the new film they stuck with the title "Scream" cause of the 2018 Halloween. Reboot of the franchise. Bringing back the same characters from the original years into the future. My guess is it's the start of a new series of films like how it was with the newer Halloween. Plus Scream likes to reference Halloween so it makes sense.
Good editing here. Did you know Ehren Kruger received an "Executive Producer" credit on Scream 4 (2011)? Maybe because Gale says they've been through this 3 times. Anyway, There is at least ONE THING that Scream 3 has OVER the beloved Scream 4 (2011). And that is the OPENING KILL SCENE. I don't get your complaint in any way. After Scream 2 (1997) Cotton Weary's death is the absolute right way to go and considerably more impactful than the "name this recognizable pretty face" game as the opening to Scream 4 (2011). Thankfully Scream 4 (2011) becomes a very solid sequel after that passing part 3 but still, after Scream 2 THAT was the RIGHT WAY to pull Sidney into the story. Again, that is the only thing very obviously in my opinion better than in the next chapter (which succeeds with pretty much everything else over part 3)
@@beejay271 Yeah, but no details were given as to how. Scream 2 never mentioned Stu surviving or being in jail. So it's just odd for two movies later to spring on us how he's been alive all this time.
Stew is the killer. Guys scream 5 is officially a “food killer” movie. When they take the mask off the pot on the stove they reveal it wasn’t chili, chicken noodle or clam chowder. It was stew all along.
The third act was pure Scream. Everything before Sid comes to the mansion is weak. Roman “directing” everything, Sid being a badass post the ending of Scream 2, and Sid leaving the door open as she watches a movie with her friends was symmetrical.
You say we would gave gotten sidney in the beginning rather than cotton as it answers why she lives where she does. However its obvious from part 2 that sidney is lonely plus 4 psycos tried killer her dude so of course she lives alone that was obvious from the jump (now how she is able to afford that house just from a call center is crazy) also cotton getting killed is a good opening since he has a big connection to sidneys life.
Well, I kinda like it... Especially the 3act, the fight between Sidney and Roman is so well directed, and I like the ideia about Roman has started everything, the fact that he's Sidney's brother... However, as a whole is a mess 😂😂😂 (I like Parker Posey on the movie as well and Carey Fisher cameo... And the end, when Sidney looks to the door and she doesn't lock it... ). That scene Dewey is hitted by a knife in his forehead is SO lame!! And not to mention Gale checking Roman's pulse thinking he's dead but he's not... WTF???? Can he stop his heartbeat?
A better story would have been the parents of the teen victims of the previous movies who blamed Sidney for their children's deaths. Like, they started off as a support group but all got twisted by their grief. "If Sidney had died in the first place, this would never have happened". Something like that. And, instead of less killers, it could have been, like, 5 or 6. Even Stu's parents could be in it as a red herring, but it turns out that they didn't blame Sidney. Maybe even die to protect her, or something... I dunno.
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I never really questioned why Sydney was living in the woods secluded. She survived 2 attempted killings. It’s not crazy to think a ptsd person like that would go live off in the woods alone
yeah, like why wouldn't she be hiding in the woods lmao.
Except that would obviously make her more vulnerable.
not only that but thinking that stu was alive and nobody knew it from the original outline was a good idea is silly
I figured she went to a different state and moved country side. No neighbors no way to be seen. But if someone followed her dad unnoticed thatd be a problem for her. But yeah with her trauma it make s perfect sense. Some people too dont like all the noise and busyness of cities.
@@BuckarooBanzai84 also made her hard to find
Ok just need to say: even without the alternative opening scene with Sidney, her being in the woods isolated still makes sense.
Based. I didn't need an explanation for this after all the shit that happened to her lol
Total sense. I don't get why he thinks Sidney doesn't feel like Sidney because her development is very logical.
In Scream 2 I can imagine she wouldn't think being out in the open was a bad idea. She was chased around by a serial killer a year or two ago, oh well, continue on with your life. Then Scream 2 happens and she has the mother of the man she killed, and a man obsessed with imitating the man that tried to kill her, both trying to kill her......Yeah, we didn't need a long drawn out opening sequence showing us why Sidney's living in the woods. When you have people trying to copy the people who tried to kill you to finish what they started, you'd fucking hide for the rest of your life.
The sequels flat out show that there are people who dream about chasing down and killing Sidney to do what the others couldn't, like Sidney said in Scream 5 "I'm Sidney fucking Prescott, of course I own a gun."
@@generalbanana1885and this blo guy didnt like the idea of sidney getting buff even though that makes perfect sense.
The worst part about 3 was Courtney Cox's hair.
Thank you I thought I was the only one! Haha
She makes fun of it herself at reunion conventions.
Whoever thought that was a good idea 😮
Doors opening by themselves
@@s1storm What you mean?
So Sydney getting attacked by two different groups of killers, wouldn’t have provided her motivation to just go somewhere where people didn’t know her? Is that what we’re going with here?
I actually like the killer reveal in Scream 3. I like how they tied it back into the events of the first film with Sydney's Mom.
It was great, but revealing Angelina as the 2nd killer would have been perfect.
It was a forced retcon
@@The_MEMEphislike damn how OLD is Roman for real
I've never really hated Scream 3. I don't it's as bad as people make it out to be and it's certainly not as bad as other horror movie franchises that have 10+ sequels. The Scream movies are quite possibly the best in terms of continuity or just the fact that they're all really easy to get into and follow unlike most slasher movie sequels. I think people forget that they're just slasher movies and that they really only have to be Fun not Oscar worthy cinema. Don't get me wrong, I wish all the Scream movies were as good as the first movie but we all know that nothing ever lives up to the original movie in almost any franchise no matter what the genre is which is the characters argument within Scream 2. Another piece of unintentional meta irony is the plot of Scream 3 having a sleazy Hollywood producer at the center of the story and then having the whole Weinstein thing happen is crazy meta and as tragic as you can get.
Even crazier is Harvey Weinstein was a producer for the Scream movies
*likely not unintentional.
Wienstein's casting couch was an open secret in hollywood.
I’ve always liked Scream 3 better then 2 although I don’t consider either film close to being as good as the original or even Scream 4.
What sets 3 above 2 for me is despite the underwhelming reveal, I think the third act is far more exciting.
Raphael is in it. It can't be that bad
I mean, it´s my least favorite of the series, but I still think, Scream 3 is a pretty dang good horror film!
I loooove scream 3. It’s so campy! And I like how it tied to the first 2 films. Plus, I think treequals usually add an ethereal element to non magical films, which is a rule randy missed. Also Parker Posey lmao ‘YOure obsessed with HER! And you’re obsessed with her DAUGHTER!”
not to mention, that Carrie Fisher cameo was fantastic!
Agreed!! Parker Posey's overacting made me love the movie. I love the campiness.
"I WANNA KNOW WHAT HAPPENS!!"
"WAIT FOR THE FUCKING MOVIE!"
10/10 movie. Sick of horror obsessed weirdos saying its bad because it makes has no logic, neither do 90% of movies. It's entertaining as hell.
@@user-gs6zx8rg7ijust because it’s entertaining doesn’t make it a good movie 😂🤡
Bringing back Stu from the dead would have been absolutely dreadful. Stu was never even brought up in the 2nd film, not even as a throwaway "Stu's still locked up in prison, so we know he's not the killer".
If he survived he would have gone through the legal process in some fashion, probably a highly publicised event regardless of whether or not he plead guilty or chose to have a trial. Either way, resurrecting him would essentially render Mickey's motive from the 2nd film, to blame the movies and have a big trial, utterly pointless.
i agree and hope this storyline never sees the light of day
He was brought up in the 2nd, when Randy was on the phone before his death, but of course he was talked about less than Billy.
THANK YOU. Stu being the killer would be have been just ridiculous and bad. I think Scream 3 gets unnecessary hate--I can honestly say I like it better than Scream 2.
THANK YOU! I love Matthew as Stu but bringing him back seems waaay too silly and unbelievable/dumb to me. (And I can buy a *lot* of silly/dumb shit.) And sooo many people are begging for his return. (There is NO way he survived and no one knew about it or mentioned it since then.) I’m *SO* glad that they haven’t tried to bring him back.
@@radlee974 it may have worked for scream 3 original idea but that was 22 years ago..it won't work now plus..he was also stabbed multiple times...he would of died from loss of blood
It's interesting that Jay and Silent Bob made a cameo in Scream 3 while Wes Craven made a cameo in "J& SB Strike Back."
That's because I believe they were filming at the same time.
It's still so weird that Scream is in the same universe as Jay and Silent Bob. By this logic, I wouldn't be surprised if Wes Craven's New Nightmare was also in his timeline if they exist.
....but in Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back, Shannen Doherty is Sidney!
The c l.i.t is very real
@@jamesdonoughue4557 It's the female orgasm, that's the myth!!
“Wtf happened to” is literally my favorite RUclips series, I’ve watched every one. A lot of them multiple times. Keep up the good work 👍
Thank you! Appreciate the support
I know right I get so excited when I see a new one...but a new one about scream?! UBER PUMPED
I actually like scream 3 as a guilty pleasure, and I enjoyed Parker Posey's sass
Disagree about the characterizations of the trio. Gale is pure Gale, Sidney has sensible development following part 2 and Dewey is still loveable and determined.
There's a lot of Monica Geller in Gale in Scream 3, that is the ONLY one I can give, and I truly don't think it was the writters fault, perhaps it was the directon given to focuse more on the comedic tone that Courteney pulled her Monica unconciously, that is the only one I do see.
as it has many flaws i still feel Scream 3 has one of the best most eerie scenes when Sydney is dreaming and sees her mother in her secluded house, everything about that scene is perfect and is genuinely haunting and the music just adds to the creepiness
Yeah, but those scenes lean too much into the supernatural. Yes, I know they are dream sequences, but the tone of those scenes don't fit with Scream- much too typical of a horror cliche. And how is that she was having eerie dreams about her mother coincidentally as Roman was taunting her in bloody sheets and such? Too much of a coincidence.
I agree with both of you, while I really loved the scenes with her mum, and I actually found it to be some of the creepier scenes in the whole franchise, it definitely stood out and a little out of place when compared to everything else, dream sequence or not.
That’s the best scene in the entire movie. I literally got shivers the first time I watched it.
Too bad about the forced comedy in the movie, though. It was on par with Scary Movie, and that’s not a compliment
I hate everything that had to do with her mom, gets too far into melodramatic. We didnt need that stuff, the 4th and 5th prove it.
@@SUHLESTlAL We really don’t need Sidney at all anymore. Or even the survivor trio. Scream 5 proved that
I KNEW IT!!! It's always been my theory that Angelina was involved as Roman's partner. As you said, Ghostface was in too many spots at once and Angelina was unaccounted for. It was my theory that as Roman got closer to his end game, he didn't need Angelina anymore so off to her so he would get all the credit. After all, he would follow his own advice "get a partner to sell out in case you get caught."
I remember hearing one original plot Kevin Williamson wanted was to have a cult of Stab fans coming together to stalk Sidney, taking the appearance of Ghostface. The ending twist reveals everyone who died in her college was all a morbid prank, and nobody was killed. A very April Fools Day style ending. Which probably would've upset fans but I don't mind it, because it would've one of the only original ideas for the 3rd movie.
That sounds dreadful.
@@keithk2879 VERY dreadful.
Just because something is “original” does NOT make it good. Movie goers today don’t seem to realize that.
@@LambentEntertainment given almost nothing today is original I can’t blame them
To be fair, stu being any kind of mastermind goes pretty much against what the character ended up being. Maybe it made sense before lillard was cast or before they rewrote the script making stu more of a sidekick.
Not to mention there is no way he would survive the tv assualt
@@tapset 90s TVs ain't nothing to joke about. I still have a scar from the attack of a 29" that fall on my finger.
@@ewok_soup for real they were so heavy...not to mention he got electrocuted too
Stu was removed from the script 3 months before preproduction His role was recruiting highschoolers to do the killings from inside prison for a "cult". It was scrapped because of columbine happened and so they rewrote the script.
So dumb they shoulda just made it anyway 😂
@@kdeb92968 would of happened if it wasn't for Chris Harris and Dylan Klebold
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@@kdeb92968that would have exploited Columbine and would have drummed up controversy...
That's not a smart thing to do.
I'm glad we got THIS "Scream 3" The first SCREAM is iconic and SCREAM 2 was almost as good. I think i was in 7th grade when i saw SCREAM 3 in theatre, but didn't realize Columbine had such an effect on it. I remember trying to find a seat while Cotton Weary was driving like a madman to get home. The killer reveal was weak and i didn't like the ghost of Sid's mother stalking her, but i actually did enjoy the comedy elements of it, especially Parker Posey.
"Scream 3" isn't as bad as people say it is. It's just that all of the edits and rewrites make it seem like a re-edit of a PG-13 film.
I remember going to the cinema to watch the original and it certainly breathed new life into the slasher film which was on its way out back then. It's sequels are a mixed bag but I always watch them all back to back once every couple of years and they have great re-watch value
"Holy shit Silent Bob it's that TV news chick Connie fucking Chung! Hey Connie how's Maury?"
Going back and fourth between the name Krueger and craven through me in a Freddy universe😂
Great vid man. Had no clue about the backstory to this mess
Emily Mortimer would have KILLED in the Ghostface reveal. She's a great actress and it's a shame that character was so neutered.
I just love to un ironically Scream 3 lays out Hollywood’s Sleazy culture…. Shame this entry was super “Lite” on the gore and violence ….. grew to love it years later….
I don’t hate Scream 3 but I do HATE two aspects of it that just bother me so bad. First the voice changer is just so cheap and makes no sense, it’s 2022 and I still have no clue how that tech would work. All the trickery it caused just irked me to my core. The second is when Gail checks Romans pulse and he doesn’t have one but then he’s the killer tf???
I wish Stu would’ve come back and I know Matthew Lillard wanted it too, he’s totally a highlight of the series even tho he’s only in the first one and I think we all miss him. I don’t understand why it was so rushed, they should have just altered the timing of filming rather than just slapping this together.
Deep fakes are a thing now, I don’t know why people act like the technology isn’t here now.
Exactly voice changing technology has been around since the early 2000s
@@frankwest9304 It's still not perfect and would be very noticeably fake. Linus Tech Tips used Deepfake voice technology and it took a sound-a-like, a powerful AI and a sample of Linus' voice to make it work quite right. The way it is used in the movie is very sci-fi even for 2020 technology.
I stand by Milton was the second killer in scream 3. Milton being a second killer makes the most sense although it just never got revealed bcus I think Roman wanted to make everyone think he was did everything alone
I liked how it refers to the first movie. Something the second movie didn’t do. I just wish Randy wasn’t killed off so early
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Scream 3 is Citizen Kane compared to Freddy’s Dead, Jason X, Halloween: Resurrection, or Hellraiser 5-10 (or any Hellraiser after Hellbound, depending on who you ask). And they’ve still managed to top it with the two most recent sequels, so I think all the hate this movie still gets to this day is a little tired and uncalled for.
Whatever scream 3 lacks it makes up for in those creepy ass scenes with Sidney’s mom lol those had me traumatized as a kid 😂
I really like Scream 3. It's goofy and fun. It also has some of the best quotes of the whole franchise. I find it to be quite underrated. It's my favorite horror franchise, and yeah, it might be slump in the series, it's far from a bad movie
I remember when they were making SCREAM 4, and Wes Craven tweeted out that the script had been taken out of his hands and he was no longer in control.
It was still a good movie
@@nerychristian Yeah, it is.
Ok. I love scream 3. I must be in the minority! I thought it was hilarious. I would have watch a full movie of just the 2 Gales trying to solve a murder together. Shit was hilarious!
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I love the ideas of Sidney killing an aggressive fan and Stu being alive.
Despite being messy plot-wise, I absolute LOVE Scream 3 and I think it aged much better than 2 or 4 upon a rewatch.
YES. I have always liked it better than Scream 2.
That's interesting. I think Scream 4 has aged the best. Scream 4 is the only one that is prophetic.
No, it didn’t. I bet you prefer Scary Movie to Scream as well, then?
I haven't seen the latest Scream, but this one is my favorite. Hearing about these behind the scenes troubles, and how the final movie turned out, and the open secrets being kept in Hollywood, no wonder this movie is very anti-Weinstein.
I still get mad thinking about what the franchise could have been if we had gotten Williamson's version of Scream 3 with Stu as the bad guy. I've also heard there was a plan to do something like having all the victims actually be faking their deaths and actually working with Stu, possibly part of a cult - and I also love that idea. Williamson wound up using the idea for The Following - a show I also loved but can admit had alot of flaws.
It does have that delicious homage to 'Psycho' when Sidney is following her mother's voice in the set house, and the camera shots directly imitate those from 'Psycho'. I was studying the film at the time, so it was a happy coincidence in my life. :)
I'm going to say that so far in my marathon Scream 3 is my favorite scream so far, I only have to watch Scream 4, since I have already seen screams 1-3 and 5-6.
I would love to see them use the Stu idea for a future sequel. Maybe Scream 6 could bring him back and do his story.
I really like Scream 3, the LA setting and the Stab cast and the mother stuff was pretty creepy. Granted the killer reveal wasn't as good as the others but in general I liked it when I saw it in the cinema and 1-3 will always be the originals to me. 4 & '5' are like the new generation. Still good but different series.
In my brain, one of the most defining presences in the Scrum movies is Cotton Weary. I imagine that it is he who is singing "The Red Right Hand." It just looks like if he went up on stage to sing, he'd have that sort of voice, and he'd be creating the Woodsboro Scrum Ghostface atmosphere!
Wes Craven said the Angelina development could never ever even be sold so it wasn't late in the game. They couldn't even sell it that way. By the time filming came around that idea was gone already. She seems obvious because they instead just made her a red herring as other characters have been given across the movies (Kirby in 6).
Kind of ironic in a way that the movie ended up being about filming a stab 3 also ends up not being released 😂
I felt like Patrick Dempseys character in 3 shoulda been one of the killers
I thought he was the killer when I first saw the movie lol
If you look back at Scream 2, it's always mentioned how Billy was killed, never Stu. Sidney even said herself she killed him. So I see what Kevin Williamson was doing with his setup of making Stu the killer in the third film.
Good point. (Except, it was Williamson's plan to make Stu the killer. Krueger was the one who changed it to Roman).
@@nathanielbacon2661 You're absolutely right. I mistyped him name.
@@DavidKen878 But you're totally right about how careful they were not to mention Stu at all. Very clever.
@@nathanielbacon2661 It wasn't until this video that I realized it. Everytime I heard about Stu coming back, I always thought it was dumb because it didn't make sense. But then it clicked in my head that Stu being in jail wouldn't necessarily be brought up in Scream 2 because what purpose would that conversation have? Especially if his being the killer was a surprise being saved for Scream 3.
@@DavidKen878 to be honest I’d prefer that version then the one we had . Never liked Scream 3 (director/Stepbrother)
that quote from billy at 5:47 would've been great in Scream 5
I found it funny how this movie had a lot of rewrites and we end up with some story about how movie producers take advantage of small actress to get bigger roles and years later it comes out with how Harvey Weinstein was doing the same things as the movie was trying to shine light on it!!
Really sort of bragging about if you think about it
Just my thoughts really
I still love Scream 3. More than Scream 2 & 4. I was 10 when I first saw it so maybe that has something to do with it. 🤷🏼♀️
I absolutely loved this movie as it was released. Original script would be a cool read though.
I'll be honest, I only saw it once, when it first came out, but I still remember enjoying it.
Ya’ll should give the original script a read. It’s online and it’s a good read. The opening kill takes place on the Hollywood Sign with new characters
11:32 That movies was those imitators?
Fantastic video!!!
Good stuff. Many don’t know that Williamson took his version of Scream 3 and made The Following tv show. It has a similar feel
The whole concept being so meta, I always thought the big final reveal would be like a cross between the Trueman show & the purge.
The people giving horror trope tips were actors, everyone else was living in this sick hunger games hyper-realism TV slasher show.
Imagine at the end some "dead" people are production crew.
Scream 3 was my favourite actually. I think it was a mix of the comedy and the technology of voice changer.
To me it's underrated and better than Scream 4. I think the atmosphere is creepy in it. The voice changer could've been executed more
I actually enjoy Scream 3 a lot more than i do the 4th film, so there's that.
Why on earth??
Scream 3 is essentially a Scary Movie sequel..
Literally the first time I've heard the first time I heard someone mention the movie Drowning Mona in 20 years.
My pitch for Scream 5 is a documentary film crew in Woodsboro to make a documentary on the only unsolved murder spree from the Billy and Stu
I still stand by that having Stu return is the dumbest thing ever.
First of all, him surviving that massive TV falling on his face sounds implausible.
Second of all, literally no one else has mentioned that Stu is still alive. Surely after 3 times of killers coming back, someone would mention that Stu is still alive and in prison.
100% Agree. I rather prefer the concept of Sidney's half brother: it gives meaning to Maureen's behaviour (not just a slut, but an abused woman in Hollywood's couch casting system), and turns the meta into the making of the movie sequel inspired by the murders inspired by horror movies... I love Kruger's writing (specially in Arlington Road), but I only wish Williamson had made this version of the script)...
@@pdzombie1906 Supposedly the plot of the new film that's coming out next week revolves around Woodsboro and Maureen's murder. I heard it's sort of a prequel.
it's as plausible as the same woman being stalked by multiple obsessive killers spanning 30 years LOL
Thank you for perfectly putting into words what felt so off about this movie! It doesn't matter how enjoyable it might've been -- being funny or campy or intense or what have you -- the issue is that it doesn't fit in well with the Scream mold! Had it been a stand alone film with different characters that's another story; but since what we received was not the projected track that the story was supposed to go on, it feels so disconnected from the first two
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It makes me wonder if they weren’t so adamant of production commencing when it did and waited for Kevin Williamson to be able to do a rewrite of his script, if Williamson would have been able to salvage enough of his original idea for Scream 3 to be able to be seen on the big screen. I think Scream 3 is the weakest in the franchise, but it’s not bad. Hearing what the original idea for the film is makes me wonder if it could have worked had enough time been allowed for Wes Craven to be able to create an ending of the trilogy that would have been satisfying for everyone making the film and the audience at large. It’s one of those what ifs that we won’t get to see.
Theres even more to this. The actor that played roman did not even know he would be the killer until shooting through the movie. Many changes and re writtes. Also heard while 1st script was def angelina as 2nd killer 2nd script was to use her to throw us off as dewey would be the guy that helped roman. 3rd was kinkaid to also be the guy that helped roman. Lots of situations. Plus they didnt want too much blood also the company wantex to turn this into more of a cat & mouse chase thriller type as sidney goes on the run. This had sooooo much problems im actually happy with how it turned out. Who knows the new one can help tie the loose ends here and actually show that roman had a helper for new reveal
That's an old Hollywood trick that is still used to this day not telling anybody including actor who is the killer until almost the end because after all they are just human like the rest of us Keeping a Secret like that is not easy for anybody
I think for the new film they stuck with the title "Scream" cause of the 2018 Halloween. Reboot of the franchise. Bringing back the same characters from the original years into the future. My guess is it's the start of a new series of films like how it was with the newer Halloween. Plus Scream likes to reference Halloween so it makes sense.
Drowning Mona is one hell of a movie.
Always felt this one is a spoof of itself and liked it more than two
Good editing here. Did you know Ehren Kruger received an "Executive Producer" credit on Scream 4 (2011)? Maybe because Gale says they've been through this 3 times. Anyway, There is at least ONE THING that Scream 3 has OVER the beloved Scream 4 (2011). And that is the OPENING KILL SCENE. I don't get your complaint in any way. After Scream 2 (1997) Cotton Weary's death is the absolute right way to go and considerably more impactful than the "name this recognizable pretty face" game as the opening to Scream 4 (2011). Thankfully Scream 4 (2011) becomes a very solid sequel after that passing part 3 but still, after Scream 2 THAT was the RIGHT WAY to pull Sidney into the story. Again, that is the only thing very obviously in my opinion better than in the next chapter (which succeeds with pretty much everything else over part 3)
For more WTF unmade movies you should do Tim Burton’s Batman 3 and Sam Raimi’s Spider-Man 4
both you and 3c films uploaded a video on scream 3 almost at the exact same time, must be a pretty interesting movie
I'm pretty sure the last two films gave enough of an explanation for Sidney living in the woods.
Incredible work, joblo ! And I love scream 3
Williamson turned the script into The Following, starring Kevin Bacon.
I remember seeing this in theaters and called it would be her magical long lost brother. I didn't know how or why...but I just knew
Haha I was kinda similar. I picked it was Roman... brother thing seem to come out of no where
Like the film but it was like watching a different Gale Weather's. Cox played her differently in this movie.
Weakest killer reveal of the series….until 6
What’s funny, is that SHE EVEN THOUGHT THE SAME THING!! She hated it too like WTF??🤬 😳 😆
Who else is exited for scream 5 but also amazing vids
SERIOUSLY... can anyone show me where to see the joblo theme song? Please please please
im so excited for the possibility of the scream tv series returning with its original mtv cast so they can close the storylines properly.
That would be cool, but I doubt it will ever happen
I worked on Scream 2. I met all of the cast and they were cool. I even met BUFFY!!!! :)
Based off of the information in this review I'm thinking Stew may be the killer in Scream 5.
Stu is dead. How would that be possible?
@@beejay271 Yeah, but no details were given as to how. Scream 2 never mentioned Stu surviving or being in jail. So it's just odd for two movies later to spring on us how he's been alive all this time.
Stew is the killer. Guys scream 5 is officially a “food killer” movie. When they take the mask off the pot on the stove they reveal it wasn’t chili, chicken noodle or clam chowder. It was stew all along.
@@djcastano1180 If that's true, why would you comment it?
@@DavidKen878 did you expect it to be the chicken noodle and not the stew?
I liked this movie.
I think after Harvey Weinstein and Epstein, this movie is even more haunting
Wow that original opening sounds awesome and is a much more powerful opening for the character of Sidney. Wish we got something like that!
i loved all the scream movies.however i do want to see stu return
My biggest complaint is gale weathers' bangs
The third act was pure Scream. Everything before Sid comes to the mansion is weak.
Roman “directing” everything, Sid being a badass post the ending of Scream 2, and Sid leaving the door open as she watches a movie with her friends was symmetrical.
What a coincidence that 3c and you guys both talk about this on the same day....
2 is a better film for sure. But I low key really enjoy 3 lol
You say we would gave gotten sidney in the beginning rather than cotton as it answers why she lives where she does. However its obvious from part 2 that sidney is lonely plus 4 psycos tried killer her dude so of course she lives alone that was obvious from the jump (now how she is able to afford that house just from a call center is crazy) also cotton getting killed is a good opening since he has a big connection to sidneys life.
Well, I kinda like it... Especially the 3act, the fight between Sidney and Roman is so well directed, and I like the ideia about Roman has started everything, the fact that he's Sidney's brother... However, as a whole is a mess 😂😂😂 (I like Parker Posey on the movie as well and Carey Fisher cameo... And the end, when Sidney looks to the door and she doesn't lock it... ). That scene Dewey is hitted by a knife in his forehead is SO lame!! And not to mention Gale checking Roman's pulse thinking he's dead but he's not... WTF???? Can he stop his heartbeat?
A better story would have been the parents of the teen victims of the previous movies who blamed Sidney for their children's deaths. Like, they started off as a support group but all got twisted by their grief. "If Sidney had died in the first place, this would never have happened". Something like that. And, instead of less killers, it could have been, like, 5 or 6.
Even Stu's parents could be in it as a red herring, but it turns out that they didn't blame Sidney. Maybe even die to protect her, or something... I dunno.
This scream movie definitely pays tribute to Wes craven’s new nightmare
Carrie Fisher also did the rewrites for Bianca Burnette.
Party of Five wasn't on tv when Scream 3 was in production... It wasn't even on tv when Scream 2 was in production
it was, party of five final episode was may 3, 2000. but if I recall correctly, neve campbell was doing another movie during scream 3 production.
Scream 3 is actually one of my favorite Scream movies!
That hair of Courtney's though... idk who thought that was a good idea.
She pissed off hair and makeup lol
Those bangs were scarier than Ghostface.