Just started trying a cinch method on a spars for ascent and descent. I just used a Blake’s hitch. The dead pines I really wish I could have slowly belayed down. Wow. Cool video. Thanks, man.
Subbed. This is exactly what I was looking for. Just started climbing my own trees trying to learn on my own. I have 3 trees 130 foot that I need to climb and take down, but have been pondering the thought on decending techniques with an easy removeable system when I start descending about 10 foot to chunk those logs. Good stuff bro.
Same! Pretty much exactly what I was going to type. I like this and been looking for a good instructional and detail as this fella stated throughout the video and showing the usage of more than once or from doing from the ground and not showing it in action.
I still cinch with a r.bowline. And I usually just buck down to my next cut taking lanyard and lifeline with me and i'll recinch bowline. I'm in FL we don't have super tall trees. I can see it's use for taller spar work. As of lately I've been using my mrs system over the srs. Adjustable friction saver are your friend lol. I like the safety! 🤙
Good video. A barrel stopper knot on the end, and pull a loop through the ring will sit nicer on the tree. The fig 8 is usefull if your doing DRT and swapping between the two, the ring can be left on there.
I’ll have to get a ring but this looks pretty simple! I like the cinching systems for leaning spar work but haven’t found anything real efficient yet, this could be it 👍🏼
That's slick. I try to do the right thing and utilize the notch quickie (as opposed to side loading biner) but I think this is just right. With my srt setup, I can simply drop the rope wrench and keep the hitch climber/prusik and not have so much hanging on my bridge with a more compact setup. Thanks for the share!
Get the Tara link tether from arbsession..version 1 ..with hitch climber pulley and wrench it's almost same size as the akimbo..you will need a 26 inch pursick cord..or 24 ..works great with michocan...or just get the hitchhiker xf...from Richard mumford..then you don't need wrench ..or devices that wear out
@@Sethhaun78 i don’t need a wrench here tho??!? I own multiple wrenches, caralink tethers, whatever. I’ve got more gear than I could ever use, but this video is literally about how to setup with only the hitch, no wrench, mechanicals, hitch hikers, none of it. I’m not sure I understand the point of what you’re saying
@@Sethhaun78 but also, i have the caralink v2. I know the v1 was shorter but an inch or so. I definitely love that rope wrench tether. It’s my favorite one. But this just is not that kind of a set up. This was the show an alternative
@@therealzigzagman that comment was for a commenter...I know what you were doing.makes sense..I like haveing full system..I'm almost 50 and can't afford anything going wrong plus just prefer it..nothing wrong with 🧗♂️ on hitch ...just can't be decending fast when needed
@@thomasfellenbaum3894 I’m using a 34mm ring. Normal rope bridge on a tree motion is 40mm. I find the 40 slightly large for the bend radius on an oval biner. The interfacing just didn’t look right. 34 is best, or smaller, but then it would be tough to fit all that rope through.
This guy doesn't concern himself with, how Petzl feels about how I go about applying their products. As long as I like it and feel comfortable with it, that's all that matters😎
Wow, thanks for that quick response I appreciate that - being a beginner I worded my question wrong, what I wanted to know is the mechanical end or the name of the pulley that you have attached to the michoacan and to your belt? Thanks again zigzagman it helps!
@@ride0811 the pulley is a DMM hitchclimber pulley, which is a triple attachment swinging cheek plate style pulley, and then a DMM duralock carabiner. The pulley’s only job is to tend to hitch and create a streamlined attachment point.
Love it. I usually just throw my rope wrench on for spar work. But Ill have to keep this in mind. Thanks bud. It also drives me crazy how often I see people leave nubs on the spar. Even though they pay for it all the time. 👍
@@slaxxx no. I mean cause for system it’s ONLY a hitch. So i can get way tighter to the spar. Add a wrench and the system (from my bridge to spar) becomes longer. Can’t get as tight to the tree.
@@therealzigzagman I understand but think of emergency situations. You are able to descend while you are belaying yourself but what happens if you only have one working hand or go into a panic mode? Maybe you cramp up or get attacked by bees/hornets or gaff out and break some fingers trying to catch yourself etc etc. Your climbing system won't get you to the ground without additional friction with the hitch. I use the Hitch Hiker 2. Its compact like a regular hitch climber rig but also works on a single line. Something to think about. We always should have a way to the ground that functions on its own. Your flip line is the rope that should have your weight and keep you close to the spar anyways. Main line is there to get to the ground at this point. In any case, i like the crab jam. its quick and effective. thanks for sharing.
Yes, you can clip straight to the rope. The only reason I’d prefer a knot over that, is because it keeps the ring on the rope. With only a Splice, the ring can slide off when pulling and repositioning your anchor
@@therealzigzagman Thank s for the response. I was just trying to see if your example was while using double rope. I get that is used for cutting down the spar while working down it. I am still learning. Keep the good videos for guys like me.
@@rosskorhummel7306 so it’s not really ddrt or srt. It’s like a reverse rads setup maybe. Not for working off of. Really just good for this one application.
At the least, Panther bars are impossible to find. I did have to mod the Stihl bar slightly, for the chain tensioner and the oil valve. If you check on my profile on IG, under highlights, i have a video on there explaining how i modded it
Not really. 40mm is fine, BUT it is bigger, so depending on the size snd type carabiner you use it might not load the biner optimally. Gear interfacing should be considered
@@therealzigzagman I’d probably use a petzl OK too, I’ll try it out on the ground and see how it loads before I use this setup. Cheers for the quick reply and informative video👍🤙
@@douglasdonegan9372 maybe. I don’t know. Most of their stuff runs worse than stock. I dyed that 2511 myself, and the saw is ported by buxton work saws. That’s who does all my saws
Just started trying a cinch method on a spars for ascent and descent. I just used a Blake’s hitch. The dead pines I really wish I could have slowly belayed down. Wow. Cool video. Thanks, man.
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This is impressive, minimal gear, quick and easy to install and undo and no more jerky jerky descents using one line on the spar, Awesome bro.
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Subbed. This is exactly what I was looking for. Just started climbing my own trees trying to learn on my own. I have 3 trees 130 foot that I need to climb and take down, but have been pondering the thought on decending techniques with an easy removeable system when I start descending about 10 foot to chunk those logs. Good stuff bro.
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Same! Pretty much exactly what I was going to type. I like this and been looking for a good instructional and detail as this fella stated throughout the video and showing the usage of more than once or from doing from the ground and not showing it in action.
I still cinch with a r.bowline. And I usually just buck down to my next cut taking lanyard and lifeline with me and i'll recinch bowline. I'm in FL we don't have super tall trees. I can see it's use for taller spar work. As of lately I've been using my mrs system over the srs. Adjustable friction saver are your friend lol. I like the safety! 🤙
I like this, ill be using it. It has some advantage over my usual, and its nice too see a cinching anchor for the mrs climbers ! Thank you 👍
👊👊 sweet dude!
Good video. A barrel stopper knot on the end, and pull a loop through the ring will sit nicer on the tree. The fig 8 is usefull if your doing DRT and swapping between the two, the ring can be left on there.
works great. tried the cinching friction saver but on smooth bark i was too nervous to trust it but this feels much better.
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I’ll have to get a ring but this looks pretty simple! I like the cinching systems for leaning spar work but haven’t found anything real efficient yet, this could be it 👍🏼
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That's slick. I try to do the right thing and utilize the notch quickie (as opposed to side loading biner) but I think this is just right. With my srt setup, I can simply drop the rope wrench and keep the hitch climber/prusik and not have so much hanging on my bridge with a more compact setup. Thanks for the share!
👊👊
Get the Tara link tether from arbsession..version 1 ..with hitch climber pulley and wrench it's almost same size as the akimbo..you will need a 26 inch pursick cord..or 24 ..works great with michocan...or just get the hitchhiker xf...from Richard mumford..then you don't need wrench ..or devices that wear out
@@Sethhaun78 i don’t need a wrench here tho??!? I own multiple wrenches, caralink tethers, whatever. I’ve got more gear than I could ever use, but this video is literally about how to setup with only the hitch, no wrench, mechanicals, hitch hikers, none of it. I’m not sure I understand the point of what you’re saying
@@Sethhaun78 but also, i have the caralink v2. I know the v1 was shorter but an inch or so. I definitely love that rope wrench tether. It’s my favorite one. But this just is not that kind of a set up. This was the show an alternative
@@therealzigzagman that comment was for a commenter...I know what you were doing.makes sense..I like haveing full system..I'm almost 50 and can't afford anything going wrong plus just prefer it..nothing wrong with 🧗♂️ on hitch ...just can't be decending fast when needed
Loved this videos and would love to see more tip videos like this of other application like re directs in the canopy 👌💪
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My man! You made that easy
🙏🙏 thanks dude
thanks really good video. If you did a long emergency descent is the additional friction from the carabiner enough to stop your hitch from binding up?
@@joedenton912 you gotta keep your hand on the fall of the rope. You can add as much friction as you want like that.
You are genius Zack!
Thanks dude, this is certainly not my original idea, and I’m not the only one that uses or has used it. This is just me sharing how I use it. 👊👊🙏🙏
Going to watch this one a few dozen times. Very new to tree work/climbing and I am a mature adult. need the great ideas to save my butt. Thx
My thoughts exactly!
So this is an alternative to using the spikes to climb down the tree?
It’s also a way to have a cinching tie in while cutting, in case of a slip, or being shook badly when roping.
@@therealzigzagman could work for ascending too to catch ya ifya gaff out?
cool technique what size ring are you using ? and what size is normal for a rope bridge
@@thomasfellenbaum3894 I’m using a 34mm ring. Normal rope bridge on a tree motion is 40mm. I find the 40 slightly large for the bend radius on an oval biner. The interfacing just didn’t look right. 34 is best, or smaller, but then it would be tough to fit all that rope through.
This guy doesn't concern himself with, how Petzl feels about how I go about applying their products. As long as I like it and feel comfortable with it, that's all that matters😎
I’m assuming a 28 mm ring would work just fine too, right?
@@LawnMonkkey only for a splice. That size ring would probably be too small to pass a bite of rope through
Thanks for the video! New climber really liked the simplicity of the attach. Only question is what type of hitch are you using?
@@ride0811 michoacan
Wow, thanks for that quick response I appreciate that - being a beginner I worded my question wrong, what I wanted to know is the mechanical end or the name of the pulley that you have attached to the michoacan and to your belt? Thanks again zigzagman it helps!
@@ride0811 the pulley is a DMM hitchclimber pulley, which is a triple attachment swinging cheek plate style pulley, and then a DMM duralock carabiner. The pulley’s only job is to tend to hitch and create a streamlined attachment point.
Love it. I usually just throw my rope wrench on for spar work. But Ill have to keep this in mind. Thanks bud. It also drives me crazy how often I see people leave nubs on the spar. Even though they pay for it all the time. 👍
Wrench just makes the system so long.
@@therealzigzagman true. You mean because of the retrieval side?
@@slaxxx no. I mean cause for system it’s ONLY a hitch. So i can get way tighter to the spar. Add a wrench and the system (from my bridge to spar) becomes longer. Can’t get as tight to the tree.
@@therealzigzagman oh I see… very true
@@therealzigzagman I understand but think of emergency situations. You are able to descend while you are belaying yourself but what happens if you only have one working hand or go into a panic mode? Maybe you cramp up or get attacked by bees/hornets or gaff out and break some fingers trying to catch yourself etc etc. Your climbing system won't get you to the ground without additional friction with the hitch. I use the Hitch Hiker 2. Its compact like a regular hitch climber rig but also works on a single line. Something to think about. We always should have a way to the ground that functions on its own. Your flip line is the rope that should have your weight and keep you close to the spar anyways. Main line is there to get to the ground at this point. In any case, i like the crab jam. its quick and effective. thanks for sharing.
Gonna have to try this. Looks awesome
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if you got a spliced end on the rope can you you just clip it straight to the spilce or should you do a knot
Yes, you can clip straight to the rope. The only reason I’d prefer a knot over that, is because it keeps the ring on the rope. With only a Splice, the ring can slide off when pulling and repositioning your anchor
@therealzigzagman yeah that's a fair point actually
gonna try this out this week! thanks for the info
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I like it.
I'll try it with a roll clip or revolver
Hey was up with that lanyard it's nice where can I get that rope at
Yale BiFrost. Wesspur has this color. Or had. Not sure if it’s still available. Might have been limited
Are you using this canopy anchor with dmm ring for mrs/drt climbing ? You put out some good videos
Thanks dude! And this anchor is something I use on the spar only, just for working down the wood with a cinching tie in
@@therealzigzagman Thank s for the response. I was just trying to see if your example was while using double rope. I get that is used for cutting down the spar while working down it. I am still learning. Keep the good videos for guys like me.
@@rosskorhummel7306 so it’s not really ddrt or srt. It’s like a reverse rads setup maybe. Not for working off of. Really just good for this one application.
Yessir! I definitely like this!
Super excellent! Thanks!!!
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Question, what stihl bar are you using on your 2511 and what did you do to put it on, thanks bro. I'm not a fan of the panther bars.
At the least, Panther bars are impossible to find. I did have to mod the Stihl bar slightly, for the chain tensioner and the oil valve. If you check on my profile on IG, under highlights, i have a video on there explaining how i modded it
@@therealzigzagman Thank you, I'll check it out and I appreciate it. God bless
Would it make much difference to use a 40mm dmm ring?
Not really. 40mm is fine, BUT it is bigger, so depending on the size snd type carabiner you use it might not load the biner optimally. Gear interfacing should be considered
@@therealzigzagman I’d probably use a petzl OK too, I’ll try it out on the ground and see how it loads before I use this setup. Cheers for the quick reply and informative video👍🤙
Great content man! Thanks for sharing.
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Whats up ✌🏻 can i uses it with the akimbo ???
Yes
Большое спасибо из России
Mint.
Gotta love the ripsaw
Ripsaw?
@@therealzigzagman doesn't ripsaw paint the black 2511 's
@@douglasdonegan9372 maybe. I don’t know. Most of their stuff runs worse than stock. I dyed that 2511 myself, and the saw is ported by buxton work saws. That’s who does all my saws
@@therealzigzagman nice ..sounds like it runs good
@@douglasdonegan9372 for sure. Def rips
Dude I love this bout to order a ring!!!
Thanks dude!! It’s def a nice setup imo. 🙏🙏👊
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Tnks
2:19 your carabiner gate is rubbing up against the tree.
@@ztkrx 😱😱😱😱😱😱😱 oooooh no!!!!!
really slick
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Thanks. Very nice
👊👊🙏 glad you liked it!
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Super useful video
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Genius
Noice!👍🏽💪🏽🤙🏽
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Wow, show them how a delta link works they'll think your Einstein
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