What do you think about this? Is the track seperation ethically justified for educational purposes? I tend towards a "no", although it has brought me very valuable lessons. A hard question, so instead of overthinking this for more than a year, I thought I'd just present it to you all so you can give your opinion and perhaps we can come to good ideas and values that way. Fun extra question: do you see any other potential ideas including AI and jazz education? Discuss below in the comments, this might turn out very thought-provoking, which is the goal of this video. Here is a link to the full Desmond soli arrangement (with myself as lead!) 😊: ruclips.net/video/HPfMBGE1pvE/видео.html Best of holidays to you and your family! /Jorre
He made that little motif into a variation on a blues and named it funny enough "Sacre Blues" with a nod to the original French title "Sacre Du Printemps". His variation on the theme and further exploration is amazing on there, this is the original track ruclips.net/video/9Qiwwl9PqVI/видео.html Pretty much starting with the rite of spring theme, varying a bit more second chorus, rd chorus he goes into a gorgeous classical type of riff variation, then he uses the most filthy of blues licks in the altissimo's tha twould make many smooth jazzers envyous, to end with some exotic scale explorations. Incredibly virtuoso and creative if you'd ask me
It's cool, man, too use it for practice. I'd like to be able to remove piano from recordings so I can fill in the piano for myself. That's more insulting than soloing one musician to study them haha! "Nah, Herbie, I don't wanna hear you on this track..." I also would love to be able to adjust the volume of each instrument to my tastes and whatever speakers I'm using. Sometimes the drums are too loud or the bass too quiet in my car, for instance. Thanks for what you do.
I would not worry too much about it. It's becoming more and more clear AI will not be taking the lead on anything anytime soon, and is best suited in the application you have used it for in this video.
Hey, Mr. #11 - A question : One time I was reading an interview with Diana Krall who had just released her collaborative album with David Foster, the producer. David wanted Diana to only focus on singing; and not playing piano, as David was playing the keyboard parts to her album. Not sure which tune they were working on, but, Diana suggests to David that at one particular point in the music's chart, David should use a #11 chord. I've been wondering what a #11 chord is, and how it functions. Can you solve this little mystery for me, #11 guy? Thank you for your time. Re: The Desmond solo and your use of educational electronics : Go for it !!
I don't think there is any ethical issue with using AI to solo a voice. Have been doing something similar for years using EQ. However, I think in the very short-term future, there will be AI solutions that can completely transcribe solos automatically. That presents the danger of atrophy for us. It will be very attractive to immediately and automatically have the written music for any musical information, but half the value comes from the actual act of transcribing and how it improves ones ears and skill. Idk, I am not too worried about AI, but I do think it will change human listeners' tastes. I think people will start to appreciate "humanness" and mistakes more, and live music will start to be valued more (including livestreams or any video which proves a human played it). I was messing around at the piano the other night playing random stuff and thinking how we can't even explain the mistakes we make or why we make certain choices, trying out a weird chord movements etc. Thomas Edison and the 20th century of recorded music made us forget that music is a physical thing, more than cerebral, it is physical, accomplished and felt by meat bodies. This will be appreciated again.
You're most probably right on the transcribing part, it's a matter of time. And on your second point, I have been thinking and especially hoping for such a counter movement back to more humanness, especially more towards genre's like jazz that very much embody being human. But I'm not sure about that, I'm more hoping for it. My more pessimistic side says that people are natural lazy beings goin for the shortcuts and the fast food, but we'll see. Interesting topic. I know more people must have been isolating tracks, but the fact that many people do it does not necessarily make it right. I wouldn't really like my studio solo tracks to be shared without permission tbh. Feels very confronting usally
I use a machine learning algorithm to transcribe piano audio into midi but it'll never be perfect, it takes hours of editing to make it presentable anyway, it just cuts out a huge part of the workload.
A.I. stems splitting is a great tool for educational purposes but also for creativity. I would not at all consider it to violate privacy of the original musicians.
If you're not using it to: 1. Steal jobs 2. Sell it off as new music (which is ridiculous to do, I'm pretty sure it falls into public domain the second it's created) 3. Using models that use unlicensed training material (literally the biggest issue is not even with the code it's the way the material was obtained, illegally) then I could care less. It's a novelty toy like everything else, have fun with it, stop going on murderous rants against lines of code and deal with the developers who are using the tech wrong since THEY are the problem, not the machine learning algorithm!
What do you think about this? Is the track seperation ethically justified for educational purposes? I tend towards a "no", although it has brought me very valuable lessons. A hard question, so instead of overthinking this for more than a year, I thought I'd just present it to you all so you can give your opinion and perhaps we can come to good ideas and values that way.
Fun extra question: do you see any other potential ideas including AI and jazz education? Discuss below in the comments, this might turn out very thought-provoking, which is the goal of this video.
Here is a link to the full Desmond soli arrangement (with myself as lead!) 😊: ruclips.net/video/HPfMBGE1pvE/видео.html
Best of holidays to you and your family!
/Jorre
I love how he quotes “The Rite of Spring” in there.
He made that little motif into a variation on a blues and named it funny enough "Sacre Blues" with a nod to the original French title "Sacre Du Printemps". His variation on the theme and further exploration is amazing on there, this is the original track ruclips.net/video/9Qiwwl9PqVI/видео.html
Pretty much starting with the rite of spring theme, varying a bit more second chorus, rd chorus he goes into a gorgeous classical type of riff variation, then he uses the most filthy of blues licks in the altissimo's tha twould make many smooth jazzers envyous, to end with some exotic scale explorations. Incredibly virtuoso and creative if you'd ask me
@ Big time.
It's cool, man, too use it for practice. I'd like to be able to remove piano from recordings so I can fill in the piano for myself. That's more insulting than soloing one musician to study them haha! "Nah, Herbie, I don't wanna hear you on this track..." I also would love to be able to adjust the volume of each instrument to my tastes and whatever speakers I'm using. Sometimes the drums are too loud or the bass too quiet in my car, for instance. Thanks for what you do.
I would not worry too much about it. It's becoming more and more clear AI will not be taking the lead on anything anytime soon, and is best suited in the application you have used it for in this video.
Hey, Mr. #11 - A question : One time I was reading an interview with Diana Krall who had just released her collaborative album with David Foster, the producer. David wanted Diana to only focus on singing; and not playing piano, as David was playing the keyboard parts to her album. Not sure which tune they were working on, but, Diana suggests to David that at one particular point in the music's chart, David should use a #11 chord. I've been wondering what a #11 chord is, and how it functions. Can you solve this little mystery for me, #11 guy? Thank you for your time. Re: The Desmond solo and your use of educational electronics : Go for it !!
I don't think there is any ethical issue with using AI to solo a voice. Have been doing something similar for years using EQ. However, I think in the very short-term future, there will be AI solutions that can completely transcribe solos automatically. That presents the danger of atrophy for us. It will be very attractive to immediately and automatically have the written music for any musical information, but half the value comes from the actual act of transcribing and how it improves ones ears and skill. Idk, I am not too worried about AI, but I do think it will change human listeners' tastes. I think people will start to appreciate "humanness" and mistakes more, and live music will start to be valued more (including livestreams or any video which proves a human played it). I was messing around at the piano the other night playing random stuff and thinking how we can't even explain the mistakes we make or why we make certain choices, trying out a weird chord movements etc. Thomas Edison and the 20th century of recorded music made us forget that music is a physical thing, more than cerebral, it is physical, accomplished and felt by meat bodies. This will be appreciated again.
You're most probably right on the transcribing part, it's a matter of time. And on your second point, I have been thinking and especially hoping for such a counter movement back to more humanness, especially more towards genre's like jazz that very much embody being human. But I'm not sure about that, I'm more hoping for it. My more pessimistic side says that people are natural lazy beings goin for the shortcuts and the fast food, but we'll see. Interesting topic.
I know more people must have been isolating tracks, but the fact that many people do it does not necessarily make it right. I wouldn't really like my studio solo tracks to be shared without permission tbh. Feels very confronting usally
I use a machine learning algorithm to transcribe piano audio into midi but it'll never be perfect, it takes hours of editing to make it presentable anyway, it just cuts out a huge part of the workload.
Ai to split stems is fine, it’s generative ai that’s a problem
A.I. stems splitting is a great tool for educational purposes but also for creativity. I would not at all consider it to violate privacy of the original musicians.
If you're not using it to:
1. Steal jobs
2. Sell it off as new music (which is ridiculous to do, I'm pretty sure it falls into public domain the second it's created)
3. Using models that use unlicensed training material (literally the biggest issue is not even with the code it's the way the material was obtained, illegally)
then I could care less. It's a novelty toy like everything else, have fun with it, stop going on murderous rants against lines of code and deal with the developers who are using the tech wrong since THEY are the problem, not the machine learning algorithm!
Just let people experiment and feel free. The only thing AI can replace is elevator music. 😂
Precisely