MFJJ x Tim Connor "BROADHEAD SELECTION"
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- Опубликовано: 24 авг 2024
- MFJJ x Tim Connor "BROADHEAD SELECTION" 17 - Welcome to the Fireside Chat Podcast MFJJ of Podium Archer and Tim Connor dive deep on broadheads. Topics discussed include: Broadhead Design, choosing a broadhead for your hunt, broadhead for your application, broadhead flight, and a classic well-rounded fireside chat. #archery #podcast
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Hey Josh, how do you feel about hybrid broadheads. Something like the grim reaper pro series micro hybrid. Any thoughts or experience on/with them?
@@Sparky513 or the Valkyrie hybrid 🤔
Hello, I have a 60 pound bow 27.5 draw length, the scale says it’s pulling around 62 or 63 lbs , shooting a 410 grain arrow roughly 13.7% FOC hunting open country mule deer are the three blade 100 grain annihilators too much blade for me, I bought them because a friend recommended them now I’m hesitant to use those
Nailed it!!
Pod convo idea…strings and cables. Stock strings and cables or swap them out? Waxed vs non waxed? Maintenance? Is there new technologies advancements? New to archery but a growing sport for me. Great content here!
Being a former guide for Elk, Deer (mule and whitetail), Antelope. I got to see A LOT of different setups and arrow broadhead combinations. Fixed blade broadheads suffered from essentially 1 issue, the shooters ability. Mechanicals suffered from 1. shooters ability 2. Penetration (especially on elk quartering away type shots) 3. Mechanics (opening up while stalking, taking them out of the quiver, putting them in the quiver, etc.) 4. Toughness or lack off. By far more broken blades, bent and broken heads (even not including heads that hit an Elk Humerus or ball joint between Humerus and Scapula).
The information here is absolute gold. I am so appreciative that Tim and Josh can articulate the information so well based on science and experience. Great job fellas!
I never hear you guys talking about the QAD exodus broadhead it seems to check all the boxes for a 3-blade fixed blade that fly's well... Please let me know if its junk or something.
My 2 closest archery shops have told me multiple times that "You can't tune a fixed blade to shoot with a field point. You should use a mechanical instead." One even told me to just resight to the fixed blade instead of adjusting rest or timing. How do I find someone that knows tuning or should I just invest and do it myself?
Didn't even realize that fire on an ipad until half way through.
Love kicking my week off with MFJJ and Tim C.
I appreciate y’all fellas!
Thanks dude
Josh,
Can you make a video showing some of these broadheads you were talking about. Thanks for another great pod!
The 100gn VPA 3 blade is an excellent option for those disaffected Montec folks that get terrible blood trails.
Any particular reason the VPA would give better blood trails than a montec? I've only ever shot VPA 2 blades but the tool stool they use was hard to get razor sharp IMO so I would think the montec would have a better edge and give a better trail
One of the best broadheads in that middle price point. $60 a 3 pack and can literally shoot 10+ animals with the same head until you lose it or blow it into a rock
@@thwackTXthe montec will not get as sharp as the vpa 3 blade and it will definitely not hold the edge as well.
@@thwackTXall tool steel would be harder to get sharp. That is because the steel is stronger and more durable due to it’s composition. It will hold the edge longer as well, due to that composition. It is the same for knives made with tool steel.
@@thwackTX the Montec is cast, the VPA is machined with tool steel. A little honing and the VPA stays much, much, much sharper than you will ever see from a cast Montec. The casting also makes the density distribution less even compared to the machined head. Montecs can actually be weighted disproportionate and heavier on one side than the other, resulting in worse arrow flight.
Yup, Good pod. On an hour long pod have a strong conclusion/ warp up for those that don’t always have the time. Keep the goods coming gents, cheers.
300grain Tuffhead evolution! Found ranch fairy first before most other channels. My first archery hunting I may have made a mistake with the weight but to much invested not to try!
Caught up and on all new podcasts… going back and res listening while working 12+ longer shifts lol … pure joy plus entertainment while working boys, appreciate it Tim and Fmjj
Good pod!!! The QAD Exodus is another great head
Man, always get excited when I see a new podcast post. Really cool energy between the two of you and guests. Josh, really appreciate the explanation behind WHY you say what you like/think. The comments about 3- vs 4- blades, the molded vs machined metal process. Things most of us wouldn't know/think of otherwise. Hope to see you at the shop sometime soon!
I would like to hear more about draw length and poundage. As someone who only has a 25.5 draw length and 65 pounds for this season and will move up to 70 to 75 pounds next year. However, my arrow speed on my Hoyt RX7 is only 254 with a light arrow. So, I'm a fan of a light arrow and a broadhead (total weight 405gr). Love to hear your thoughts on this. Hunting whitetail in West Virginia.
You should listen to the Nock On podcast episode with Joel Maxwell that recently dropped
Yes! Perfect timing boys! Love these podcasts!
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this is my first year shooting fixed blades. I am trying out the Method archery MD3, and it looks like an absolute beast. S7 tool steel 3 blade 125G, 1 1/4 cut. cant wait to see what it does on a deer!
Bro...lmao, watching this is the background at work and it took me way to long to realize the fire was on the ipad hahaha.
Need more of that Gentlemen. Always great to hear you two converse information I Love.
Nice FIRE! This year I'll be shooting the Grim Reaper Pro Series Micro fixed.
Hey guys. I think I'm going with the 125gr Micro Hades Pro 3 blade for whitetail this year. Go with something that you really don't have to worry about it performing like it's supposed to.
I just finished cutting my access paths to my stands and getting the sticks and stuff out of them. All I have to do now is continue to get my reps in and work on my shot process.
Great podcast as always. I really enjoy listening to you guys. Tim always gets Josh to explain the why to his opinions which is valuable to us guys that don't have all the real world experience that Josh has.
Idk if someone has commented yet but I think "Rizz" is related to "Charisma". I really enjoy listening to the pods. I shoot Annihilator 100g, and didn't know about the sharpness but at 10 yards they work great, I will probably be sharpening before season though so thank you!
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Rage NC + hand sharpen tip and blades. "Deer and Bear
Great podcast. I agree with MFJJ on everything he said. I've shot quite a few fixed blade broadheads through animals. I have a 31" dl at 70#, so penetration isn't ever an issue. My arrows typical pass thru the animal at a fairly high velocity. The bigger issue for me is to find one that flies extremely well, and then also can survive the impact after the animal (rocks where I hunt). I've found the best flying broadheads are the short squatty designs. TOTA, Exodus, Ozcut 3blade, Annihilator, Method MD3, Grim Reaper Microhades Pro 4 blade all fit that description. The ones that have survived the impact after the animal the best are the ones with higher rockwell hardness, and are single piece design. I also want to be able to sharpen the blades myself, so for simplicity that means a 3 blade because you can lay it on a diamond plate to resharpen and a flat strop. 3 blades don't get as sharp as a two blade because of the blade angle, but you can get them plenty sharp. Due to my needs, the broadheads I use the most are the 125 grain annihilator xl and the 125 grain Method MD3. The annihilator XL are so tough that I've never broken one. The tips get very sharp and the thickness of the blade as it transitions to that scoop does cause a big triangle hole. The MD3 makes a huge hole but they were a limited run, so save those for special hunts.
I’ve seen a few broken md3. I think the material they use is better for edge retention but slightly less impact resistant. Annihilator xl’s for the win. They put’em down quick.
They were from hitting rocks after a pass through. Ask the design difference with the back of the annihilator it has the scoop which puts more material in the back of the blades the angle on the back of the blade make the ends of each cutting edge more durable and slightly smaller cutting diameter.
I agree with both of your posts. I also feel the MD3 has better edge retention, but based on experience is slightly less impact resistant. The design of the blade of the Annihilator XL is also very robust at the back end where a fracture would normally occur. Top that off with the fact there are no sharp corners (other than the blade), and from an engineering aspect, the broadhead is durable by design. Anywhere there is a sharp corner is where a stress concentration occurs. If single piece broadheads would be more filleted or rounded as they meet the ferrule, then that would add to the resistance to blades shearing off.
IMHO, the general shape of the Kayuga pilot cut heads with the back bevel of the Crafted Aero 1, but in a better steel would be the GOAT.
Hadn’t heard of those but they look nice
So much great information from you two! Great way to start my Monday.
TWAS A GOOD POD!!
Y'all rock! Keep it up.
I'd like to see broadhead mfg's start playing with metal compositions the same way knife makers are these days. It would be pretty expensive but I'd be interested in seeing how different blade steels hold up. Like CPM S90v, bholer m390, elmax or some other steels that have come out in the last few years.
All for the m390 🙌🏽
Bill with Iron Will looked at lots of different knife steels before settling on A2 tool steel.
What do you think about the QAD exodus broadheads? Love the pod homies!
I shoot both mechanical and fixed depending if im in the thick stuff or not. But the best mechanical ive found is the g5 mega meat. For fixed i run stinger buzzcuts and QAD exodus
Stay sharp makes a 344 sharpener for solid 3 blade heads like montecs that changes the blade angle to get them sharper then the stock blade angle on them
It was a good pod! Thanks for all the info guys 🙌
Great pod!
Thanks for another great video to start my week. Keep them coming!
Great discussion! I'm using the VPA's this season and yeah, trying to sharpen them feels difficult. Any tips? I have a guide, trying sandpaper & stone. Painstakingly slow.
Exactly what I needed to start Monday morning. Thanks
Thanks 🙏
Would be interested to here MFJJ's thoughts on 4 blade broadheads, such as Slick Tricks and Tooth of the Arrow. Smaller broadheads but supper sharp and square entrance and exit wounds.
He does mention them in here, but all he really says is they are fine, but says he is anti 4 blade(doesnt elaborate) and that he's had alot of complaints with tooth of the arrow and blood trails
@@velasquez8which vid did he say this
Great podcast, thanks for the tip on the kudu broadheads.
Great pod! I have trouble with Annihilators flying good at 312fps, but single bevel VPA’s fly amazing!
VPA's fly so good! But have you tried sharpening them?
@@JedlyMT not yet, but I bought the items from StaySharp to sharpen them, it doesn’t look too bad to do.
@tommurph4496 I just got my Stay Sharp clamp today. Make sure you are lining it all up correctly before tightening the screw. Then double check the angle. I'm not sure what's off, but either the bevel isn't 35 degrees or the guide isn't exactly 35. I used a sharpie on the blade and wasn't getting a perfect grind. 😕
@@JedlyMT thank you, I’ll pay attention to that! Thanks for the heads up!
@@JedlyMT on another note, I received a pack of afflictor k2 mini’s today, and they fly awesome!
Can MFJJ review fixed three blade like Bishop, VPA, or other similar.
Does Josh have an opinion on the qad exodus broadheads?
Can you elaborate why you guys are against four blades. I do understand that that will limit some of your penetration, but it is also giving you one more cutting surface. I mean, I think we all want the same thing we need penetration to get to the goods, but we also want a good blood trail to find the animal afterwards.
What’s your thoughts on the new 2024 bear razor three blade head?
It’s not 3” but close to what your talking about
Thoughts on g5 dead meat v2? 1.5 inch 3 blade mechanical rear deploying. All steel.
What do yall think about tooth of the arrow broadheads. It's a fixed 4 blade 1 piece sold steel .
I have been interested in the Helix FJ4. I’d like to know your thoughts on them. Thanks
So whats y'alls opinion on the muzzy 3 blade thats been around a looooong time
I would like to know what your suggestion would be for a broad head for elk and deer Oregon coat. 60lbDW and 28.5DL and help would be appreciated first year hunting
Lmfao i didn’t realize that was a iPad I thought damn that fire burned down fast lol hell yeah
My question is why do you think mfjj said that kudu is great for lesser speed and or less poundage? Is it because there is more user error in fixed 2 blade?
I am rockin vic rip tko 300sp at 30.75 length
30 inch draw at 70 pds. Total 480 grns at 288 fps. Sound good or bad ?
Cheers boys! Great pod 🎉
Any thoughts on the Evolution Outdoors Jekyll & Hyde heads?
Not sure if they only direct to consumers.
Surprised you guy aren't mentioning the QAD Exodus. It is superior to the Micro Hades in many ways. More durable, thicker blades, better edge retention, shorter ferrule etc.
Probably why you aren’t hearing about them… I love them
Had terrible luck with iron wills and had the best luck with Exodus. 29in draw 68#. Dunno why but I get awful penetration with the iron wills comparatively. Whatever works for the individual I guess 🤷♂️
Would like to hear your opinion on the new Tooth of the Arrow 2 blade
Laid back with my 31.5” draw length 🎉😂 draw length privilege
From SW PA here. Shocked that neither of my favorite broadheads ever seem to be brought up by the western crowd…. Mechanical broadhead - G5 Deadmeat V2 or Fixed blade - QAD Exodus. Any reasons to avoid either of these?
I shoot the qad. Cuts very well and flys like a field point
Cutthroat 150s fill the freezer reliably and have single bevel R and L
Good job!
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Rizz is short for “Charisma”
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Good pod
Great pod, no nonsense BS!
Does anyone have any thoughts and or experiences with Muzzy Trocar?
I've shot the Muzzy 3 blade 100g for years and they fly great and I get good blood on these Columbian Blacktails out here.
Id love to hear about the QAD exadus broadhead!!
Another good podcast
What are y'alls thoughts on hybrid heads?
I’m surprised that cutthroats did not make the list. S7 tool steel single bevel’s wide range of weight options and right or left bevel. I get mine hair poopin scary sharp and they are absolute tanks.
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What's the thoughts on em ?
How about a Archery - Poker night.
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Shit, I had a coyote stop a grim reaper whitetail special like a pillow. I quit using them after that. The Sevr 1.5's are plain impressive for a machinal. They kill quick and get about the same penetration as a regular old 3 blade muzzy. So far I have watched everything drop with them. One blood trail was particularly gory. Shot placement and blade sharpness dictates blood trail much more than cutting dia in my experience. Last year I double lunged a buck with a very sharp Sevr 1.7. It made a 2.5" entry but no exit, zero blood. Had I not heard it fall in a puddle of water, I likely would not have found it. Lastly, draw length and weight are not in the calculations for energy. Speed and weight are though. Draw weight and draw length are merely predictors of speed. Too many think 30" or 70# means they can shoot anything. People need to be more clear when discussing this. Lastly, truly large male pigs are the toughest thing to get through on this continent. I have about given up on all mechanical's with them. When you are in a treestand the problem of getting an exit and therefor blood is even worse. People can hate on the Ranch Fairy all they want but needing a substantial projectile to get through them is not something he is wrong about. I am hoping the 1.5 Sevr can be the mechanical that conquers the big ones. The biggest I have killed with one is a 180# sow. I didn't get a complete pass trough but I did get 26" of penetration while severing the spine and breaking two ribs going in. Two ribs and the leg bone were broken on the off side. The point of the head was poking out, but not the blades. She only made it 25 yds. This was from 30' up and 37 yards away. This gave me some confidence, but I will have some Magnus black hornets in my quiver. If I can see it is a big one coming and I have time, the Sevr will get switched to the Magnus.
great pod
Ah the " the shaky hunter " lol
I like the idea of what broadhead you would use for what animal. West side and east side animals that is 😅
What do y’all think about the g5 dead meat v2?
I have a question. Where in a physics equation concerning energy do I plug in draw weight and draw length? Just asking. Also, just asking if a 70# bow that shoots a 450gr arrow 260 fps has more energy than a 60# bow that launches the same projectile at the same speed? Why would I be able to shoot a larger diameter broadhead or head with more blades out of the 70# in that situation? How does draw weight alone dictate broadhead choice?
The forces imparted on the arrow from the bow is what dictates the kinetic energy. So in theory, the kinetic energy of the bow system is constant regardless of arrow weight. So a 70 lb bow is going to always contain more energy than a 60 lb bow all other things being equal. Momentum will be dependent on multiple factors including arrow weight and draw weight. So momentum on a bow system will change with arrow weight but kinetic energy will stay constant for the most part
If both bows shoot the same arrows the same speed then they are both producing the same amount of energy. The 70 pound bow is just less efficient. When he’s saying those numbers I think he’s talking about modern bows
New to Bow hunting, I'm using QAD exodus 100gr, 30" Draw, 70# Draw weight, GT Pierce platinum arrows, bout 440ish, sending arrows everyday to try and make it happen in a couple months, is this an effective setup? Minus my inexperience as the main variable...that is
I'm a big fan of this knowledge drop! Thanks for putting this forum together...
Forgot to mention I'm Midwest whitetail gaming...
What do you guys think about rhe tuffhead broadheads
How come the grim reaper micro hybrid doesn't get more love?
If Wild Bill made a 3 blade and it wasn’t as effective as the current two blades it would tarnish their reputation
Guys…I’ve got my annihilators shaving sharp just from a mill file and flatstone…🤷🏻♂️
For a bit I thought you guys had a real fire 🔥 goin till tim picked it up
Looks like someone is gonna start cold plunging
Could you guys give your opinion on Valkyrie BH’s?
I used the jagger on my deer last year. Great blood, it went 11 yards. They are machined at VPA.
Rizz is charisma
Doesn't Valkyrie make a 3-1 broadhead?
I need advice on 100 grain mechanical, I’m in west Tennessee, whitetails. I shoot 65 pounds
I shoot less than 40 yards
Also good pod
Not bad boys not bad at all.
High helical fletches good for flight stability but not good for penetration, twisting energy must stop on contact with body or media thus take’s energy from ability to penetrate…. Now think about a bullet, full metal jacket vs soft tip or hollow point more energy is transferred into the body by a round designed to mushroom or expand that’s why a four blade head will transfer more energy over any other head such as 3 or 2 blade. Like wise why would you build a heavy arrow with a 2 blade head, counter productive All the KE is just passing through instead of being transferred into the animal
The rotational energy is very small as it's rpms vs diameter is very limited. Also with a single bevel the broadhead rotates naturally when passing through. As to the question of KE, that is a non factor in Archery kills. If you dump 100% of your energy into the animal then the arrow does not pass through. On top of that there is not enough KE to kill large game. Broadheads kill by blood loss. Bullets can/do kill with KE, but not arrows. I'd rather an arrow zip right through the vitals with as little KE transfer as possible. When that happens the deer will often trot off a short distance and look back wondering what happened while blood pours out.
You forgot one terrific broadhead, and Thats QAD exodus. Use them on deer blows big holes through the deer and penetration had a great. It would be great for our work. If you have the right set up, there’s been plenty of test on RUclips with QAD Exodus and they’re almost indestructible. The next time when you do a broadhead review, you might want to mention them search RUclips protest on. Thanks for reading guys. Have a wonderful day.
100% agree. I use them for black bear as well in Northern ontario and they work great.
Is there a 3 blade single bevel??
There is the Ozcut Hurricane. Not sure what steel they use, but they look like they’d be hard to sharpen. 100, 125, and 150 grains only in right bevel though.
Jake that's his name lmao finally came to me
Cobalt could be used to make a broadhead like that but it would cost about $100 a head, minimum...
Always a good pod. Loved the iPad fire ambiance. It’s always good to hear a feee form broad head discussion. Thanks!
I believe Bill is selling his broadheads through the MeatEater shop these days.
If shot multiple animals with tooth of the arrow. And I’m here to tell ya, every blood trail has been like a rage blood trail. Great heads …