Disclaimer: While I’m proud to look back on how far I’ve come in terms of video quality and editing, I don’t really agree with this opinion anymore. Ever since C5S3 I look at the player base a lot differently. Idk looking back I feel like it wasn’t productive to antagonize a portion of the player base. I came off as super bitter in this video. And I think that’s cringe. Nonetheless it’s interesting to look back to see how things changed. This video I made on C5S3 can be seen as the “antithesis” of “The Irony of Fortnite Zero Build” ruclips.net/video/H2RtwKHj08Y/видео.htmlsi=Jq7a_F8qGGFxMVgW
i respect the art of build fights but that shit is way too complicated. i prefer zero builds more chill gameplay. you see, you shoot, they and or you die, rinse repeat
@@random_reason1718 that may be true, but I’m getting older and work more. I don’t have time to come home and crank 90s and see kids box up everywhere. I’d rather enjoy how I play on my own terms.
@@random_reason1718 el juego es para divertirse y pasar un buen rato, no ser un albañil profesional todo el tiempo y hacerle la risa de burro al primer bot que elimines
Not going to lie, I avoided fortnite for the longest time because I could not wrap my head around the building. But then when I saw there was zero build that got me in.
@@karrr98Sounds like we got build main Timmy over here thinking build is the only way to play fortnite. You know if it wasn’t for zero build, fortnite would probably be dead, right?
What ruined games with a high skill celiling is that people only have fun when they win. this makes it so that casual players hate sweats and is also the reason sbmm/ebmm exist.
Honestly it’s BR you can’t go in thinking you’re going to win every game. But the way in which you die to a build player can be so sweaty I understand why people wouldn’t want to play it
Man I tried to learn how to build, went in a game, shot a guy, and in less than a second he built a whole castle, blocked all my shots, jumped over me, and one shotted me with a shotgun, never played build again lmao
Nah it’s the community around the comp players that is the problem. Look at TF2. The skill ceiling in that game is nuts yet most people still goof around and have fun.
The addition of turbo-building is the only reason the game got this hard to master. Being able to just hold a button to place builds skyrocketed the skill ceiling.
Zero build should be replaced with some form of anti-turbo building gamemode. ive seen sweats who have even mastered no turbo building so adding that as a mode wouldnt work. maybe like like a 5 second cooldown when you place something so its only for... a fort, or some cover. like the game originally intended
building is what set the game apeart from other brs when it was new, but now that its a fully established game it doesn't need that. the gunplay is good enough on its own & the parkour mechanics only help zb's case
Yeah. The parkour mechanics basically replaces casual building. This is especially obvious with Chapter 2 Remix. A chapter that previously didn't have zero build is still perfectly playable in ZB because of mantling. The chests on the bridges? Just mantle up to get them. It's more puzzley, even if slightly.
One of my favourite solutions that they did in the past was a classic mode LTM where it limited all mats to a max of 30 so building had to be purposeful and strategic. Basically bringing it back to the days of building a wall for cover or ramping. If they did it again I would maybe raise the mat limit a little bit more so you can still get some clasic feeling build fights without the modern super sweaty build style
I quit Fortnite a while back because I hated playing against people who'd build the Eiffel Tower in 7 seconds after hearing a shot, and a few days ago when I got back, Zero Build turned out to be the most fun I had since the Endgame LTM.
When I played Fortnite before Zero Build I shot at a player and he turned into a 6 story tower in half a second. I said "Nah this game ain't for me" and uninstalled. But when they added Zero Build I tried the game again and really like it now. I have no interest in playing Build Mode tho
I just started playing it cuz yuknow, friends. And i was going to play on regular mode. They on instant said no. I tried anyway. Damn. Guys building Bowser's Castle in less than ten seconds when i just appeared. I'm still playing Fortnite but Zero Build. I just go in regular mode to have some laughs or change gameplay a little.
What season was that? If it were before season x I would understand, but if it were after, I know you are bullshitting, they added skill based match making in chapter 2.
I used to play a creative map called something like “OG royale” and the guy made it so you could only place one build a second and there was no editing. It was really fun but the player count just wasn’t high enough to regularly get lobbys
yeah having a mechanic like building with a titanic skill ceiling in a goofy casual game did weird stuff to the casual scene, wish epic handled build modes a little better though. a proper ranked system would be nice...
@@shelby5334 yeah, a ranked system that was actually hard to climb and actually reflected skill in any way shape or form. compare someone saying "yeah im global" or "yeah im radiant" to someone saying "yeah im unreal" it just doesn't mean anything. you can camp your way all the way to the top no problem.
@@Czarcasm.can you? I camped my way to Platinum III. Doesn’t work anymore. They hunt the campers in Plat 3 anywhere on the map. Now I’m back to Plat 2 and deleted the game. I started Fortnite 1 month ago and I think it might the best game ever, but I think I hit my ceiling. How can you camp out of Platinum? I’d love to know. Cuz it takes me 30 minutes to hopefully get 1% and every mistake I’m down 8%. Lost almost 60% today and called it quits
@@Czarcasm. A) 100% I’m not doing somethings right. Thank you so much for using the term Deadside, now I googled it and learned something new, and I think very important. You’re the best. Btw, I was wrong, I’m diamond 3, not plat 3. Excuse me, I just started playing this game. Diamond 3 is where I hit a huge wall. And for the first time lost a rank. I will now try to understand dead side and stay deadside. So hopefully I won’t be dead on the sides 😅 B) I understand it’s been effective for a long time, but, with time people learn old techniques, no? I recall people I spectated did exactly that. But now I understand why they did it. So I will expect company, which is not what I’m looking for as a camper, but I will def give it a shot. C) Now I’ll try to understand what rotating passively means. Thank you so much @Czarcasm
I see Fortnite as being in the mechanics-heavy game category, closer Rocket League or Street Fighter than a shooter. We literally call close range battles "fighting".
Building alone is such a complex skill to have in a game that you have to have very advanced mechanics to be able to compete. Zero build makes it much more of just a shooter
The only problem i ever have with "sweats" are when im playing a public lobby and someone starts playing like there in the world cup in the last 1v1. Like there is a ranked mode!
fair, but i can understand why they do that. Sometimes people want an easier game so they play pubs, but their chill simple gameplay is more complex than the intense focus gameplay of someone less experienced, so it seems like the better player is tryharding even if they take it easy
The thing is we aren't trying when we're versing casuals, it's just muscle memory kicking in. Like I don't play the game that much anymore but when I do I can still do all the editing and building and I get surprised that I can still do that
Sweaty isn't even the right word. Even if i could match it and be better than them. The playstyle of them is just so unfun that even if you kill them it's more like a relief and not fun to do.
fortnite at its roots is a competitive game, and building is not the problem. the skill based matchmaking is just crazy, if you win 1 game you cant anymore since your matched with peterbot every game
Yeah, as hard as I sweat I do recognize how bad this issue is. I’m on ps4 still with the default controller and I’ve played a shit ton of creative but I’m still running into people way better than me/on better devices than me.
The game would greatly benefit from a custom bot lobby game mode where you can set the difficulty. Ever since they removed creative royale/battle labs/playground, I haven’t been playing the br much since setting up bot lobbies on a different account is too much of a hassle.
@@Alex-po7fpmake a level 1 account join account on main system. Queue into game boom all bots but don’t kill any bots on the level 1 account or you will get into real lobbies
@@jonaltis7624 turning off cross play isn’t possible on pc, Mobil and switch. I also don’t care about crowned wins or even quests, I just like to play in peace without worrying about real players
It’s not a competitive game tho. It was meant to be a funny way of playing battle royale. Not anything competitive. Fortnite was about surviving and now it seems like it’s more of competing and over doing your opponent
Zero build is what got me back into fortnite, never had a victory royale win back when game first launcher and now i get it without needing to learn building a hotel in 4 seconds when spotting someone
Alright, gentlemen, hear me out. What if…ok, ok… What if…Half Build… Now hold on hold on, in half build you can still build, sure, but turbo is disabled and you cannot carry a double decked bus in your mats, as well as metal being more precious since it’s just better, editing is just like the old days. Half Build, when you just don’t wanna see them sweat :D
I think that a fun seperate mdoe would be to just make it so theres only 100 or even 50 of each mat type. Then so players who dont build often, but do enough can have a mode where theyre all on an equal play level
I think honestly we need a Middle ground for this game now. We’ve already got the Low ground (Zero Builds) and the High ground (Builds) but what Fort really needs is a version of builds that uses the old build system that made the game so good back then. I mean epic is already making a permanent OG game mode (just what I’ve heard no clue if it’s 100% true or not) maybe they could add that into the OG game mode.
1:30 There is actually a reason people do this beyond "showing off". You are placing builds to occupy space so your opponent can't place those builds themselves. If you didn't do this an opponent could just place a cone or a floor and stop you from moving up. Once they have that floor or cone, they can edit it and shoot you.
@@zpirateko2129 bro just play zero build. Just Get better. The Point Of FN Was supposed to build, your making fun of ppl that will crap on you so just play zero build, no one is stopping you
imo the game is divided into 3 people: 1. Angry Nostalgic Players who complain about the skill ceiling constantly stating how fortnite was better when people built like dogwater because they can't get any better at all compared to the new skill floor; DESPITE the RANKED gamemode you can play against people your skill level. They also complain that the game is too hard (skill-issue) because of sweats, regardless of the fact that the game will be easy if you challenge yourself to get better. They play unranked against a majority of bots and still find ways to lose. 2. "The Sweats"/Good Players who complain about the angry bad players and are hostile to new-comers while also complaining every 3 seconds that the game is dying; the people that are mechanically gifted and can build the world trade center in a second, but challenge themselves to find new ways to have fun via mechanics because that is how a video game works. They play ranked. 3. The people that don't care and chill because they can adapt to skill floors and generally aren't bad. They could literally not care as they want to have fun and complaining about sweats prohibits that, so they just get better. They probably play unranked and creative.
good players arent hostile to bad players, check like r/fortniteconpetetive, i havent even seen any rank shaming, only tips, id say there is four, tryhards and good players are a different category tbh
Mate, good description but it's hardly correct, build fights are so complicated to the point of bore, they aren't just nostalgic, they're bored that the game has become a muscle memory test, it ain't fun
I'd describe the first category as people who played fortnite when it started, but have gotten older and don't have time to reach the skill floor, and just play zero build because the build mode is too hostile to those who aren't at the skill floor, your description is really uncharitable to people who just want a mor casual experience
Good video man! My homies got me into the game last year and zero build was a great starting point. I can build now and keep up with diamond players because i got use to the no build and then tried out some of the zone wars to learn how to build in tense situations. Cant wait to see more
I love Fortnite and a lot of people like my friends would view my gameplay as “sweaty” but I’ve just been playing builds for as long as I could remember, practicing mechanics and different ways to build and edit is fun to me and I like messing around while still being able to compete at a decently high level!
Exactly. it isn't sweating it's just how we play the game. 6 years of learning how to build and edit makes you naturally good at it, I'm goofing off when I play
One thing I'm curious about is if they'd add other mechanics to building itself like more pieces or something. Sky's the limit with zero build 'cause they could add double jump, dashes like Tracer, wall running, etc, but builds mostly stays the same
@@covenantfemboytrue. They’re genuinely worse because nothing in the game stimulates them. They loot up, kill a few bots, and get a total of 1 real fight per hour.
I still like doing creative build fights and box fights because they are quick and fun but when its in a pub and everyone boxes up 20 million times it gets tedious so i only play zero build for pub matches as its way more chill and simple
Since this mode came out i play only Zero Build I could not imagine hopping in a lobby full of tryhards building bunkers around yourself when they see 1 pixel of another player That would be painful
Zero Build was such a W. Like bro I don't have time to grind 5 hours a day just to have mild fun on a game. Plus guns and aim actually matter on Zero build.
guns and aim matter a lot more in builds when you actually need to plan how to shoot with an enemy wall in front of you? also i dont grind and i still beat people who actually practice. Its an actual skill issue
@@siddarthpotla3264 Guns and aim legit don't matter on build. Maybe early on yes but at a certain point you can legit just out-build opponents and win with a shotgun and SMG. Also yeah I beat people on build with mild practice but at the same time, it is frustrating to play against players who clearly have more time to spend playing. I want to chill when I play video games lmao not spam-click buttons and barely use guns. Build in itself is definitely what makes the game unique sure but i go from averaging 4-5 kills in build to almost 11 and I have way more fun in games where I rely on my ability to, you know, kill people rather than my ability to build enough and use a shot gun.
@@siddarthpotla3264 also if you want to play the game for competitive reasons that is ok. It's your opinion and how you want to play. I in no way am saying that build is terrible but rather that that side of the game isn't appealing. I want to chill when I play video games not win lol
@@marceloverlorx8232aim is very important in build mode for example if you jump inside the box of the enemy you need to land ur fast pump shot or else you are most likely dead unless they are already low HP. plus I think in zero build positioning is even more important than aim
@@marceloverlorx8232 You're contradicting yourself. You want to relax and not sweat, but at the same time build players have no skill, just "building and using shotguns" you say. zb players got a whole permanent gamemode just for them yet they still can't help but complain about the "sweats". There is no skill zero build players have that build players don't. Any decent build player will dominate most zero build games. People spend hours every day on aim-trainers to play competitive at the high levels. Aim does matter. What does guns don't matter even mean? In zero build and low level build long range weapons are used more than higher level build lobbies, yes, and that's a bad thing why?
When I first played Fortnite, it was November 2017 and one of my favorite aspects of the game was the fact you could build your own base. And if you’re end game and you saw someone in a nice base you were genuinely intimidated
i am so glad i started playing CH1 season 4 and started teaching myself how to at least place a wall in fights by season 5 and now i can edit and build very decent. it got me used to what people find “so complicated”. like yeah you go against CRAZY players sometimes, but when you’re in a normal fight it adds a fun element. rather than just aim, shoot, dead, repeat. i refuse to play ZB just cause i’d be bored after one game. i like competition , it’s how you get better. but honestly now i feel like there’s no point in learning how to build if you’re a new player, the skill level is insanely high. so ZB makes sense for new players. i feel like ppl should’ve at least started learning by chapter 2 to keep up with being decent today.
yeh i started during chapter 2 season 6 and always enjoyed and preferred build but didnt care enough to practice much until recently, all my friends that play only want to play zero build and they are the only reason i even play zb its gotten boring so fast like i just want to play br builds even if im bad at it
Exactly. I play to have fun, and win or lose, I think being in a build battle is fun. Genuinely. I lose most of the time, but build battles are just so interesting and fun to be involved in. Zero builds is just boring
The same thing happened with Epic Games’ last game. Gears of War had its own version of “building” which is wall bouncing. By Gears of War 3 they made it so fast to the point that they lost a lot of OG players but people also loved to sweat and make Wall Bounce compilations.
A simple fix would be to make another mode where they cap all mats at 50 each (15 builds) and make harvesting slower, Also once you place a build down you cant edit it so the only way to edit it is a pre-edit. This would stop sweats from building too much and simple players could still create a simple base or place a wall They could also make it so that builds don't place instantly and it takes about a second for the whole build to complete
@@zazfishImo zero build is way more fun than facing someone and they can build a 5 star hotel and attempt to 360 no scope off the freaking top. Edit: with aim assist cause epic has severe autism and thinks it is ok to add a cheat ass ability like that.
I think the best/worst thing about Fortnite is that since 2017 it really set the bar for what a game can be in the battle royale scene. The good side is that it doesn’t take itself serious except for the players. The worst is that Warzone tries to be like it. Look at all the collabs CoD has had in it’s time. All was because Activision was trying to keep up with Fortnite but has failed time and time again and MW3 is where everyone collectively said “Fuck this shit i’m out” and steered away from CoD. Obviously CoD will come back because yearly releases is the child of AAA gaming but the only way Warzone will fuckin die is that Fortnite goes back to OG once again. Think about that first week OG came back. YOU HAD OVER 5 MILLION PEOPLE JUMPING ON FORTNITE AGAIN AND POSSIBLY PEOPLE FOR THEIR FIRST TIMES! Lobbies for the first time in a minute didn’t feel like a sweatfest and I’ll admit at one time I hated Fortnite and didn’t see the appeal because I played R6. But once 2020 rolled around and I left that game in the dust and played Fortnite I saw why it was good.
You literally expressing my thoughts... I play zero build all day for the funny moments and damn that part with the small hitbox camo skins for sweaty players.... So damn true man
honestly its the all pink or all blue ones that are scary lmao The all whites and all blacks are just little kids copying their favorite streamers and tend to suck, but the all pinks and all blues are absolutely unreal rank players trolling in pubs and creative XD
As a good player I found this video super entertaining and it’s nice to see a different take on the game, tbh I just play ranked builds and sweaty creative map’s because it’s competitive and I enjoy being competitive and proving myself over others, i understand that’s not for everyone but I think Fortnite is an amazing platform for that
I stopped sandbagging on ZB and hating on BR and got my skills up. I learned how to crank 90’s, crank ramps, high ground retakes, take boxes, and edit fast to pump headshots. The game is way more fresh and fun now.
0:54 sometimes i would see a full squad use this skin and match each other for extra sweaty points to confuse their enemies on who their shooting at which doesn't work at all to their advantage and me and my team just casually wiped them out without calling out any skins attacking us.
No build is good and my season 2 having ass quit when it hit chapter 2. I would play very rarely then dayZ and Tarkov took over my life and I never went back to Fortnite. Then no build came out and I still was like “f that game f those 9 year old sweats.” Then something changed. My wife asked if I wanted to play no build fortnite because it was something cross platform. I did then got hooked. Don’t get me wrong I can crank 90s and edit but not in 0.02 seconds edit a window shoot dude reset and build some more. Kids got the handle on this game since it’s 6 years old now. Kudos to epic for making no build. The developers had no idea this game would advance so much mechanics wise. Them bringing build and no build permanent made the game playable again. Just my opinion. Also I subbed and liked hope your channel goes well brother!
this is a similar experience ive seen a lot of people echo but i never really got into fortnite because of the building and how hard it was to master and deal with other people when you're inexperienced. i came back to play with friends during season OG and got into the whole zero build side because it was much more strategic and didnt require hours and hours of practice building and doing mouse and keyboard tricks. since then i've played more hours than i'd care to admit. i think it's probably the best option for the game because any change to building and there'd probably be so much outrage epic would change it right back. just look what happened with the movement earlier this season. at this point given how little room there is for nerfs removing build entirely as an option just makes more sense
Someone else commented it but just having a low material mode would be such an amazing kind of “subgame” for battle royale. Like they could make it so that there’s a small group of battle royal modes and make it high material, low material, and no build. Amazing solution for people who want to play casually and still enjoy what makes Fortnite unique. I’d say a mode with 50 materials of each kind would be nice cause it would make an incentive to literally make a fort and metal would be seen as a valuable material instead of disposable like it is now. Metal in general just seems annoying cause as a battle progresses it slows down even more and having hundreds of it just makes fighting a drag. And people being toxic in red vs blue is crazy to me cause that mode is mostly made not for skill but purely strategy and different playstyles. Really liked the vid btw.
honestly building and fighting in builds is not hard. No one needs to do constant edits to win fights, you just gotta know basic tunnels and 90s and how to edit a wall fast so you can safely hit opponents from cover
I find Zero build to have battles that are more engaging than battles with building The battles are more comprehensible to spectators. Movement and positioning play a greater deal, especially with bullet spread. The skill gap between players is lowered, creating more tense moments. Close range weapons like shotguns create a stronger risk/reward dynamic for approaching fights in the open World objects like trees and rocks are used as cover instead of a cache of resources, and their health pools now create a use for surpassing fire and create a disadvantage for players who fight multiple players in the same area in rapid succession. And all of this is just talking about the Zero Building aspect of it. None of this even mentions how well Overshield compliments this mode
Ive played my fair share of both zero builds in builds (long time fortnite player, but was always kinda bad at builds) come to realize that ZB is just about praying to find a port-a-bunker or shield bubble or mobility, and not get completely beamed once you hit a max pull. All everybody ever does there is just spray and pray with SMGs, ARs or even shotguns. No skill. Cant defend yourself if you get third partied by another sprayer
i play zero builds only but have played since day 1, i love watch FNCS and comp building. a lot of the zero build community are soft and are entitled when they have just started playing during chapter 4. building is a fundamental part of fortnite, but having a full time job i just have more fun grinding no builds, it’s about aim and decisions. idk why we can’t all just play fortnite and appreciate it. all of my skills in build mode help with no build like cross hair placement.
@@epyons8411 well, you do. but you can still have a job and know the very basics. there is a lot of children who can build way better than Fortnite vets soley because they spend most of their time playing Fortnite.
Been playing since season 3 and I started playing ZB a season ago I wanna say, it’s just not fun when you try to hop on a game to chill and have fun and then a mf w zero earnings and won’t compete in shit is trying their absolute hardest to win a single fight
Id be interested in build mode where there is restraints on the speed that you can build and maybe even restraints on swapping to begin building. Nothing major, even just 1 wall per half sec limit would change a lot. Inspire people to limit thier build battles this would still allow for one to two walls placed to create cover, and would make forts actually impressive. Instead of scyscrapers being built in mere seconds
I feel like zero build requires more tactical skill than build mode because you need to tactically position yourself around the map and use natural cover rather than just be able to throw up the empire state building when they get shot once for 5 dmg
As someone with a full time job and school, I really hate zero build and have no interest in playing it outside of with friends. Most of my friends play build as well, but it's just the feature that got me interested in the game. The complexity of building and editing at a high level is such a unique and highly skillful area of any game, and I love to learn more about it and try to improve. I understand why you and many others like zero build, and I think it is one of the most impactful updates to ever hit Fortnite, but I just can't get over my love for building in this game. High quality video
yeah, i think building is a beautiful way of fighting that no other game can match. Yet I feel that people enjoy the feel that warzone, apex, and pubg give that hold true to the original "survival of the fittest" genre that just involves looting, running around, and shooting, Fortnite has a good feel, yet pro building scared off a lot of the community that wanted to chill more
yeah. the game has evolved waaaay pass the building aspect, with all the goofy items and movement mechanics. So of course it would bring people back after the zero build update. The build mechanic was a bother for people like me and my friend after we saw all that potential.
Zero builds skill ceiling is gonna go up too people like tefu and zemie are all ready doing solo squads just like the best players years ago soon zero build is gonna be too sweaty for a normal people
I mainly play zero build for no reason but I can actually build but saying they ruined the game because they’re *Good* is BS you’re just bad that’s the honest truth if you can’t accept that, you’re the problem with the game (but I do hate them wannabe pro Shitting on them is the best feeling ever they think they’re best in the world)
Yeah I cringe at this video now. My opinion nowadays is kinda the opposite. I was bitter af when I made this. Superhero skins people are still corny tho
@@Layo0 I hate superhero skins you know what’s even worse there not even good their console players who want to be the next clix like you’re not getting out the trenches
sweats dont ruin games, if they did then league of legends, fncs, counterstrike, etc would not have as big playerbases as they do, people like to compete but i have a feeling alot of casuals only like to compete when the fight is in their favor (cars, marvel mythics etc which is fine im glad we have those options because i do think they are fun) i dont have anything against casuals in fact i consider myself a casual, but you cant expect to beat another person who has more practice/experience then you at something at least not easily and thats in all games that have pvp and that doesnt mean its hopeless when your put up against someone whos "sweaty" your always going to lose if your down on yourself i got a friend whos like that and its hard convincing him he doesnt need to give up when stuff gets or looks difficult also i dont use superhero skins but from my experience playing against/with them most are just kids that are pretty chill
The only real downside of the game based on the fact that there is 2 different part of the game as a good player point of view, is that when you are building a map and a meta of a game, you do it as considering how player will play with it, but the issue is that fortnite is not the same game playing zero build or not. More than that, the game have a huge potential of being a good competitive game, but because of how they are dealing with these issues, they are stuck between casual zero build players, and build players, more than that, it's even more of an issue when it come to competitive. The answer could be easy, seperate zero build than build mode, and seperate pubs than competitive, and you could be thinking that it has already be done, but its not if you look closly, the issue of being on the same map built for 2 different game is still there, the meta not being accurate with competitive as in terms of build whise or just in terms of additions of the items in ranked compared to in actuals cups.
I only sweat when l have to. I’m mostly a Zero Build player who just wants to play and mind his own business. I also do Ranked Zero Build and for some reason, there are sweats in the mode too along with god damn Superskins, Auras, etc. Just stop sweating, god damn dude. (The highest rank l got was Elite in ZB btw.)
As someone who started on Switch in Season 4 when it came out, then swapped to PC last year, I both love and hate Fortnite building. Back before ZB, I was fine at building, especially seeing how I was on Switch. However, since ZB has come out, I have not touched Battle Royale. If I play on console again, then maybe I'll play build mode, but I'm probably going to stay on pc, where I have no clue how to build. Not only do I not know how to build, but it also like over halves the number of keybinds, so I dont have to reach across my keyboard to build a staircase.
the point with the people that says that tryhards ruin the game is that they think that EVERYONE that builds is a tryhard and thats the problem, they see someone doing a triple edit and instantly they say: OH NO A TRYHARD RUN!!!!
Kinda true, most people do think that, I just find it annoying when I try to play builds from time to time and mfs just box up constantly or try to run away in a pub match, I don’t mind the builds at all its just that people do try their absolute hardest for no fucking reason
@@shortesnameofalltimei mean, it makes sense, people play to win. But also same i cant help but get a little pissy when the guy i got to 10 health shockwaves away immediately
Sometimes i drop in after months of not playing, I get put in a game with 90 bots and a few sweats and i just position myself according to the storm and build forts, when i get engaged by a sweat i just shoot at him until he is out of mats and consumed by the storm. Most fun shit ever.
W video originally i was going to just say "play zero builds" but i watched the whole vid one point i disagree with is that building is all flair sure sometimes its over the top but the reason people build so much is to have piece control and essentially "trap" the opponent in their builds otherwise good vid and great editing
90% of the time, in real game scenarios, what you do with building in the sense of triple edits doesnt matter. Theres many retakes with minimal editing better than the double edit, triple edit, etc. Im elite almost champion without knowing a single retake or build fight technique. I dont even know how to cone and im on pc so I have aim assist
90% of the time, in real game scenarios, what you do with building in the sense of triple edits doesnt matter. Theres many retakes with minimal editing better than the double edit, triple edit, etc. Im elite almost champion without knowing a single retake or build fight technique. I dont even know how to cone and im on pc so I have aim assist
yeh this is what ive been learning playing piece control, the more area you can claim with your own builds and being able to build fast gives you an equal advantage as your opponent, in order to play casual build you just need to learn basic editing like on walls which is the easy part in my opinion because its just learning new keybinds and using them enough to get comfortable with it, one of the things that helped me alot was finding the bind to reset my walls so i can make a window or door and instantly close it theres alot of strategy to building its just the casual players response to dying to someone whos better then them is to curse them out and act like theyre the ones ruining the game when this stuff is normal, people are always gonna lean towards the meta in a game and people that care about winning so much that they will get so mad over dying once but refuse to use the stuff they died to themselves because it "takes no skill" doesnt really make much sense to me especially when it is something like building that actually does take alot of practice to do well building forts in fortnite never really died it just evolved and from my experience most superhero skins are not toxic they are just better at the game which there is nothing wrong with
1:07 Actually no, the thing with those skins is the fact that they give some advantage in terms of input delay as the same with the star pickaxe, i know cause i was part of it a long time ago until i burned out, at least i still keeping my skill but otherwise i prefer playing zero build, but sometimes is still not that easy considering the skill based matchmaking...
@@samcandles You’re saying you never got pissed off by the mechs? Also you know that Fortnite gets a lot of views and press from competitive, right? If Fortnite just ditched all competitiveness and just amped up the “silliness” then that’s a huge portion of the viewer base, gone.
@@kirbot don't care, season x was awesome. Everyone focuses more on the BRUTE instead of the fact we got a new POI and weapons every single week, the fact the battle pass was one of if not the best ever, it was also where the lore really started picking up for this first time. Also halfway into the season the brute was nerfed to shit and they died very quickly
It was alright, but the mechs were genuinely horrible to play against. I guarantee that if there was zero build back then it they would still be universally hated because your literal hope of surviving them was to either build your way out (which was almost impossible), get in a blow them up if there was only one person or if they weren't too far, or hide on the meteor and spray them because they destroyed all cover. The other complaints about it though was that people weren't getting full og locations back after Dusty Depot returned. It wasn't that the season was silly, people wanted nostalgia for the older seasons. Not to mention the lootpool was kinda dog shit.
In my opinion, this is the way Fortnite should’ve had building in the first place, so it never got out of control or too sweaty. 1.) You can’t run while building only walking 2.) You can only edit a build peace once it’s fully built.
The Fort building was NOT introduced in the BR, it was in the standalone Save The World game where you fight endless waves of zombies and I think try to survive until a fortnight (2 weeks) which was great until Battle Royale mode came out and the new end game how to win mechanic was to shoot all other teams. I don’t know why building even carried outside of that original mode because building a bunch of walls and a mansion and a miniature village you spent time to forage for only for the other team to just shoot you in the face is wild to me. Zero Build is massively superior, no clouding up the end goal, no searching around a MAZE of crappy ramps just to kill one or two people, just eliminate the other players with your battleground prowess. I don’t disagree building takes skill but none of it has anything to do with the end goal. What it boils down to is NO ONE wins BR and Zero Build by creating structures whereas in the original mode that was the exact goal is to build a FORT and survive.
@@Itznkb I should have said those were chapter 4 wins especially during the Star Wars mini event I mostly camped and did ambushes I stream my Fortnite game play
I mostly play Zero Build, but for some reason I started farming gold in Build mode. I've had several games where I spent 80% of the game gold farming, then win the game with 10+ elims, never building a single piece, haha.
They should let you go into each season and/or turn different weapons and feature on or off. It could be like going back in time, but by choice, not some storyline. But also continue what they are doing independently.
Agreed. If building was fun enough to more people, then Epic wouldn’t even have had to make Zero Builds to begin with. People won’t “get gud” at something they don’t even find fun.
while fortnite is a a mostly casual game saying that people ruined it by trying to hard is not right in my opinion this games has a comp side to it as well having the biggest cash prize polls for the widest audience of players so yes people will grind to get better and saying thats weird is wrong because alot of people enjoy ranked gamemodes like arena or ranked and they enjoy the progress of getting better overwatch is also a cartoon game with a big casual player base and yet we dont call those we play ranked to get better and those who try hard to get better weird or say they ruined the game , also saying epic games is quick react to their mistakes is flat out wrong both in fortnite and other games, they used to react and fix them quickly 4-5 years back but this days they dont do so , both in fortnite and other games they own , they just removed trading for rocket league which took a major part of the game away and nobody liked the change and yet they care for money not for the community and in fortnite they have had the most annoying changes that nobody likes that are still in the game such as : siphon , the sticky grenade launcher , and even in the last biggest tournament since world cup they ignore everyone telling them to lower obeservers to reduce the lag that made a 4 mil lan event unplayable
look at other games such as rust or even overwatch they do a whole lot more listening and what fixes? its been over a month and we still didnt get new guns and movment in creative which isnt that hard to add to the point where its even weird its not been in creative since day one also normal server performence(not tournys just ranked) as gone done a lot and hasnt been fixed yet i cannot understand the argument that epic even slighlty cares about anything that dosent directly give tham money and ofc you can use the they are on a break argument but they still had 2 weeks- 3 weeks this season before they went on it so they still had planty of time@@horse3987
Idk who said it, but everytime i look at a game like fortnite and so on, it rings more true everytime. You should optimize the game around the PLAYERS first and foremost.
The game just needs better matchmaking, the br gameplay loop at the moment is destroying 13 ai, killing one or two average players and then iether getting steam rolled by a top 6k tourney demon or some moron controller warriors their way into your builds and wins the 50/50 on 3 health. I want to face normal people bro 💀
"unironically" you can say the hitboxes are the same all you want, a shot that would miss a female skin would hit a model like Peter or Fish Thicc in the arms. That's the only proof needed, really.
Disclaimer: While I’m proud to look back on how far I’ve come in terms of video quality and editing, I don’t really agree with this opinion anymore.
Ever since C5S3 I look at the player base a lot differently. Idk looking back I feel like it wasn’t productive to antagonize a portion of the player base. I came off as super bitter in this video. And I think that’s cringe.
Nonetheless it’s interesting to look back to see how things changed.
This video I made on C5S3 can be seen as the “antithesis” of “The Irony of Fortnite Zero Build”
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Nah you right
A thesis? Is that a Neon Genesis Evangelion reference?
(I’m losing it)
Nah the editing and quality makes this video funny as sh*t
@@JamesSmith-sz3yu its all straight facts
@@banditxxix I agree with the video. I was just saying that it was hilarious due to the editing
i respect the art of build fights but that shit is way too complicated. i prefer zero builds more chill gameplay. you see, you shoot, they and or you die, rinse repeat
preach
Your just bad ibsr
@@random_reason1718 that may be true, but I’m getting older and work more. I don’t have time to come home and crank 90s and see kids box up everywhere. I’d rather enjoy how I play on my own terms.
@@random_reason1718 yeah ofc im coping that i cant build that why people play zero build
@@random_reason1718 el juego es para divertirse y pasar un buen rato, no ser un albañil profesional todo el tiempo y hacerle la risa de burro al primer bot que elimines
Not going to lie, I avoided fortnite for the longest time because I could not wrap my head around the building. But then when I saw there was zero build that got me in.
That’s was exactly my mentality before Chapter 5 released.
skill issue lil bro
@@karrr98 boring comment
@@karrr98you have zero social skills
@@karrr98Sounds like we got build main Timmy over here thinking build is the only way to play fortnite. You know if it wasn’t for zero build, fortnite would probably be dead, right?
What ruined games with a high skill celiling is that people only have fun when they win. this makes it so that casual players hate sweats and is also the reason sbmm/ebmm exist.
Honestly it’s BR you can’t go in thinking you’re going to win every game. But the way in which you die to a build player can be so sweaty I understand why people wouldn’t want to play it
Man I tried to learn how to build, went in a game, shot a guy, and in less than a second he built a whole castle, blocked all my shots, jumped over me, and one shotted me with a shotgun, never played build again lmao
@@jehwhite1582it’s not that, we try to have fun playing the game, while other players see wining as the only way for fun
Nah it’s the community around the comp players that is the problem.
Look at TF2. The skill ceiling in that game is nuts yet most people still goof around and have fun.
The problem is getting destroyed and not getting to play is not fun. A skill issue indeed but still
The addition of turbo-building is the only reason the game got this hard to master.
Being able to just hold a button to place builds skyrocketed the skill ceiling.
Zero build should be replaced with some form of anti-turbo building gamemode. ive seen sweats who have even mastered no turbo building so adding that as a mode wouldnt work. maybe like like a 5 second cooldown when you place something so its only for... a fort, or some cover. like the game originally intended
@@FlaxJackett What do you mean by "mastered"? And regardless, that would be a very small minority. Most people can't build that fast.
@@TheAwkwardGuy people would've mastered it over 5 years tbh
@@FlaxJackett Turbo building is the best feature ever added to this game
you just described turbo building as a way of helping you build im not sure what are you complaining about
building is what set the game apeart from other brs when it was new, but now that its a fully established game it doesn't need that. the gunplay is good enough on its own & the parkour mechanics only help zb's case
Fortnite’s gunplay good? Yea ok
@@0vern9K Yeah it's pretty solid. Functions well, and has a lot of iconic, unique, and well-made weapons to use
I mean fornite only has build because it was gonna be just for stw not br really
Yeah. The parkour mechanics basically replaces casual building. This is especially obvious with Chapter 2 Remix. A chapter that previously didn't have zero build is still perfectly playable in ZB because of mantling. The chests on the bridges? Just mantle up to get them. It's more puzzley, even if slightly.
And other lies kids tell themselves
One of my favourite solutions that they did in the past was a classic mode LTM where it limited all mats to a max of 30 so building had to be purposeful and strategic. Basically bringing it back to the days of building a wall for cover or ramping. If they did it again I would maybe raise the mat limit a little bit more so you can still get some clasic feeling build fights without the modern super sweaty build style
No body wants that
@@zuko7655 I do
sadly there is a map like that in cvreative buty nobody tried it again after some thousands cplayers (a couple of thopusands)
@@zuko7655i do
Tell me you play only zero build without telling me you only play zero build
I quit Fortnite a while back because I hated playing against people who'd build the Eiffel Tower in 7 seconds after hearing a shot, and a few days ago when I got back, Zero Build turned out to be the most fun I had since the Endgame LTM.
When I played Fortnite before Zero Build I shot at a player and he turned into a 6 story tower in half a second.
I said "Nah this game ain't for me" and uninstalled. But when they added Zero Build I tried the game again and really like it now.
I have no interest in playing Build Mode tho
And you died to someone that made a 6 story 1x1?
@@zpirateko2129bro died to 2017 TSM Myth that somehow time travelled 😭😭
I just started playing it cuz yuknow, friends.
And i was going to play on regular mode. They on instant said no.
I tried anyway. Damn. Guys building Bowser's Castle in less than ten seconds when i just appeared.
I'm still playing Fortnite but Zero Build. I just go in regular mode to have some laughs or change gameplay a little.
What season was that? If it were before season x I would understand, but if it were after, I know you are bullshitting, they added skill based match making in chapter 2.
@@blaiddfumbleri played during chapter 1, left, came back mid chapter 3, it was too sweaty for me
I used to play a creative map called something like “OG royale” and the guy made it so you could only place one build a second and there was no editing. It was really fun but the player count just wasn’t high enough to regularly get lobbys
that actually sounds fun
Default wars by finest
Or the guy that made 1v1 piece control idk
Cuz it was too boring
Sounds like shit
I only play Fortnite zero build. It’s low key not fun having someone build a 5 star hotel after they get grazed.
Trash
@@Bobbster100 boohoo. build me a dam and cry me a river
@@JurassicManiac what language is bro speaking💀
@@Bobbster100 the language your mom teached me that one night i was on her bed🤫
@@JurassicManiac"the language your mom T E A C H E D" is crazy
yeah having a mechanic like building with a titanic skill ceiling in a goofy casual game did weird stuff to the casual scene, wish epic handled build modes a little better though. a proper ranked system would be nice...
a proper ranked system?💀
@@shelby5334 yeah, a ranked system that was actually hard to climb and actually reflected skill in any way shape or form. compare someone saying "yeah im global" or "yeah im radiant" to someone saying "yeah im unreal"
it just doesn't mean anything. you can camp your way all the way to the top no problem.
@@Czarcasm.can you? I camped my way to Platinum III. Doesn’t work anymore. They hunt the campers in Plat 3 anywhere on the map.
Now I’m back to Plat 2 and deleted the game.
I started Fortnite 1 month ago and I think it might the best game ever, but I think I hit my ceiling.
How can you camp out of Platinum? I’d love to know.
Cuz it takes me 30 minutes to hopefully get 1% and every mistake I’m down 8%. Lost almost 60% today and called it quits
@@llama_mf you arent camping right then. staying deadside and rotating passively has been effective since the arena days.
@@Czarcasm. A)
100% I’m not doing somethings right.
Thank you so much for using the term Deadside, now I googled it and learned something new, and I think very important.
You’re the best.
Btw, I was wrong, I’m diamond 3, not plat 3. Excuse me, I just started playing this game.
Diamond 3 is where I hit a huge wall. And for the first time lost a rank.
I will now try to understand dead side and stay deadside.
So hopefully I won’t be dead on the sides 😅
B) I understand it’s been effective for a long time, but, with time people learn old techniques, no? I recall people I spectated did exactly that.
But now I understand why they did it.
So I will expect company, which is not what I’m looking for as a camper, but I will def give it a shot.
C) Now I’ll try to understand what rotating passively means. Thank you so much @Czarcasm
Dude honestly is spitting the truth that most of the community doesn't want to hear, but what it NEEDS to hear.
I would never have gotten into Fortnite if it wasn't for Zero Build, the skill ceiling on building mechanics is insane, there's no middle ground.
Noob
I see Fortnite as being in the mechanics-heavy game category, closer Rocket League or Street Fighter than a shooter. We literally call close range battles "fighting".
Building alone is such a complex skill to have in a game that you have to have very advanced mechanics to be able to compete. Zero build makes it much more of just a shooter
The "try building your way out of this one" killed me😂
Build is why I never played the game more than a few times before.
Just recently found out they have 0 build, and now I'm loving it.
The only problem i ever have with "sweats" are when im playing a public lobby and someone starts playing like there in the world cup in the last 1v1. Like there is a ranked mode!
fair, but i can understand why they do that. Sometimes people want an easier game so they play pubs, but their chill simple gameplay is more complex than the intense focus gameplay of someone less experienced, so it seems like the better player is tryharding even if they take it easy
Fair, but if I'm about to hop on ranked ima play a quick br match to warm up
How do you define that? For a lot of people, what might look scary-good and sweaty for you is really easy for them
The thing is we aren't trying when we're versing casuals, it's just muscle memory kicking in. Like I don't play the game that much anymore but when I do I can still do all the editing and building and I get surprised that I can still do that
Sweaty isn't even the right word. Even if i could match it and be better than them. The playstyle of them is just so unfun that even if you kill them it's more like a relief and not fun to do.
fortnite at its roots is a competitive game, and building is not the problem. the skill based matchmaking is just crazy, if you win 1 game you cant anymore since your matched with peterbot every game
Yeah, as hard as I sweat I do recognize how bad this issue is. I’m on ps4 still with the default controller and I’ve played a shit ton of creative but I’m still running into people way better than me/on better devices than me.
The game would greatly benefit from a custom bot lobby game mode where you can set the difficulty. Ever since they removed creative royale/battle labs/playground, I haven’t been playing the br much since setting up bot lobbies on a different account is too much of a hassle.
@@Alex-po7fpmake a level 1 account join account on main system. Queue into game boom all bots but don’t kill any bots on the level 1 account or you will get into real lobbies
@@jonaltis7624 turning off cross play isn’t possible on pc, Mobil and switch. I also don’t care about crowned wins or even quests, I just like to play in peace without worrying about real players
It’s not a competitive game tho. It was meant to be a funny way of playing battle royale. Not anything competitive. Fortnite was about surviving and now it seems like it’s more of competing and over doing your opponent
Zero build is what got me back into fortnite, never had a victory royale win back when game first launcher and now i get it without needing to learn building a hotel in 4 seconds when spotting someone
Alright, gentlemen, hear me out.
What if…ok, ok…
What if…Half Build…
Now hold on hold on, in half build you can still build, sure, but turbo is disabled and you cannot carry a double decked bus in your mats, as well as metal being more precious since it’s just better, editing is just like the old days.
Half Build, when you just don’t wanna see them sweat :D
that's what I've been wanting for so long
Ok nvm keep your zerobuild
Their used to be an LTM like this but I forgot what is was called in was very limited resources so it helped with sweats.
@ Yeah they did have one like that
I think that a fun seperate mdoe would be to just make it so theres only 100 or even 50 of each mat type. Then so players who dont build often, but do enough can have a mode where theyre all on an equal play level
Which fortnite DID do once as an LTM
@@MiningJack777 they should bring it back
@@MiningJack777they did it last season during OG Fortnite
@@Harrisongarrison0800They didn't bring back any LTMs
I think honestly we need a Middle ground for this game now. We’ve already got the Low ground (Zero Builds) and the High ground (Builds) but what Fort really needs is a version of builds that uses the old build system that made the game so good back then.
I mean epic is already making a permanent OG game mode (just what I’ve heard no clue if it’s 100% true or not) maybe they could add that into the OG game mode.
No player base is already split that’s a bad idea
btw fortntie is called fortnite not because it has fort in it but because that is how long the last mission in stw takes (a fortnight)
"No you dont get it, I only want to have fun so that makes me the good guy. All these other guys are trying to have fun in the wrong way"
1:30 There is actually a reason people do this beyond "showing off". You are placing builds to occupy space so your opponent can't place those builds themselves. If you didn't do this an opponent could just place a cone or a floor and stop you from moving up. Once they have that floor or cone, they can edit it and shoot you.
swets bilding a 5 star hotel😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@zpirateko2129cry about it 😅 No one's Stopping You From Playing Zero Build Thats Why There's A Game mode lma😂
@@CCDUZSIT Making fun of them
@@zpirateko2129 bro just play zero build. Just Get better. The Point Of FN Was supposed to build, your making fun of ppl that will crap on you so just play zero build, no one is stopping you
@@zpirateko2129 It's not that hard but most people don't care to learn but if you enjoy zero build and don't like builds I respect your opinion
imo the game is divided into 3 people:
1. Angry Nostalgic Players who complain about the skill ceiling constantly stating how fortnite was better when people built like dogwater because they can't get any better at all compared to the new skill floor; DESPITE the RANKED gamemode you can play against people your skill level. They also complain that the game is too hard (skill-issue) because of sweats, regardless of the fact that the game will be easy if you challenge yourself to get better. They play unranked against a majority of bots and still find ways to lose.
2. "The Sweats"/Good Players who complain about the angry bad players and are hostile to new-comers while also complaining every 3 seconds that the game is dying; the people that are mechanically gifted and can build the world trade center in a second, but challenge themselves to find new ways to have fun via mechanics because that is how a video game works. They play ranked.
3. The people that don't care and chill because they can adapt to skill floors and generally aren't bad. They could literally not care as they want to have fun and complaining about sweats prohibits that, so they just get better. They probably play unranked and creative.
good players arent hostile to bad players, check like r/fortniteconpetetive, i havent even seen any rank shaming, only tips, id say there is four, tryhards and good players are a different category tbh
this ^
I fall into the third category but i usually play creative and ranked, as i dont like that every second player is a bot normally lmao
Mate, good description but it's hardly correct, build fights are so complicated to the point of bore, they aren't just nostalgic, they're bored that the game has become a muscle memory test, it ain't fun
I'd describe the first category as people who played fortnite when it started, but have gotten older and don't have time to reach the skill floor, and just play zero build because the build mode is too hostile to those who aren't at the skill floor, your description is really uncharitable to people who just want a mor casual experience
Good video man! My homies got me into the game last year and zero build was a great starting point. I can build now and keep up with diamond players because i got use to the no build and then tried out some of the zone wars to learn how to build in tense situations. Cant wait to see more
0:53 so true...
I love Fortnite and a lot of people like my friends would view my gameplay as “sweaty” but I’ve just been playing builds for as long as I could remember, practicing mechanics and different ways to build and edit is fun to me and I like messing around while still being able to compete at a decently high level!
Exactly. it isn't sweating it's just how we play the game. 6 years of learning how to build and edit makes you naturally good at it, I'm goofing off when I play
@@nickelwrangler446 shitty players will call anyone slightly better than them a sweat? Who the fuck is sweaty and oily over a game.
Yep. That’s how 7 years of practice should be. As hard as it is to get good now, builds is superior because of its complexity.
i also use Ricky dicky do da grimes
One thing I'm curious about is if they'd add other mechanics to building itself like more pieces or something. Sky's the limit with zero build 'cause they could add double jump, dashes like Tracer, wall running, etc, but builds mostly stays the same
No, zero build players just want a regular shooter
there were several in game items that had dash effect. LIke the the blink smg or zero point fish
@@covenantfemboy nah, not all of us, i love the fun and fast paced movement, the map is big and having a bunch of ways to traverse it sounds cool
That's actually smart
@@covenantfemboytrue. They’re genuinely worse because nothing in the game stimulates them. They loot up, kill a few bots, and get a total of 1 real fight per hour.
I still like doing creative build fights and box fights because they are quick and fun but when its in a pub and everyone boxes up 20 million times it gets tedious so i only play zero build for pub matches as its way more chill and simple
Since this mode came out i play only Zero Build
I could not imagine hopping in a lobby full of tryhards building bunkers around yourself when they see 1 pixel of another player
That would be painful
Zero Build was such a W. Like bro I don't have time to grind 5 hours a day just to have mild fun on a game. Plus guns and aim actually matter on Zero build.
guns and aim matter a lot more in builds when you actually need to plan how to shoot with an enemy wall in front of you? also i dont grind and i still beat people who actually practice. Its an actual skill issue
@@siddarthpotla3264 Guns and aim legit don't matter on build. Maybe early on yes but at a certain point you can legit just out-build opponents and win with a shotgun and SMG. Also yeah I beat people on build with mild practice but at the same time, it is frustrating to play against players who clearly have more time to spend playing. I want to chill when I play video games lmao not spam-click buttons and barely use guns. Build in itself is definitely what makes the game unique sure but i go from averaging 4-5 kills in build to almost 11 and I have way more fun in games where I rely on my ability to, you know, kill people rather than my ability to build enough and use a shot gun.
@@siddarthpotla3264 also if you want to play the game for competitive reasons that is ok. It's your opinion and how you want to play. I in no way am saying that build is terrible but rather that that side of the game isn't appealing. I want to chill when I play video games not win lol
@@marceloverlorx8232aim is very important in build mode for example if you jump inside the box of the enemy you need to land ur fast pump shot or else you are most likely dead unless they are already low HP. plus I think in zero build positioning is even more important than aim
@@marceloverlorx8232 You're contradicting yourself. You want to relax and not sweat, but at the same time build players have no skill, just "building and using shotguns" you say. zb players got a whole permanent gamemode just for them yet they still can't help but complain about the "sweats". There is no skill zero build players have that build players don't. Any decent build player will dominate most zero build games.
People spend hours every day on aim-trainers to play competitive at the high levels. Aim does matter. What does guns don't matter even mean? In zero build and low level build long range weapons are used more than higher level build lobbies, yes, and that's a bad thing why?
When I first played Fortnite, it was November 2017 and one of my favorite aspects of the game was the fact you could build your own base.
And if you’re end game and you saw someone in a nice base you were genuinely intimidated
i am so glad i started playing CH1 season 4 and started teaching myself how to at least place a wall in fights by season 5 and now i can edit and build very decent. it got me used to what people find “so complicated”. like yeah you go against CRAZY players sometimes, but when you’re in a normal fight it adds a fun element. rather than just aim, shoot, dead, repeat. i refuse to play ZB just cause i’d be bored after one game. i like competition , it’s how you get better. but honestly now i feel like there’s no point in learning how to build if you’re a new player, the skill level is insanely high. so ZB makes sense for new players. i feel like ppl should’ve at least started learning by chapter 2 to keep up with being decent today.
yeh i started during chapter 2 season 6 and always enjoyed and preferred build but didnt care enough to practice much until recently, all my friends that play only want to play zero build and they are the only reason i even play zb
its gotten boring so fast like i just want to play br builds even if im bad at it
Exactly. I play to have fun, and win or lose, I think being in a build battle is fun. Genuinely. I lose most of the time, but build battles are just so interesting and fun to be involved in. Zero builds is just boring
Building is whay got me into the game I loved it and I love build fighting as well
Trees in build mode: +100 wood
Trees in no build mode: reinforced wall
4:05 this shit killed me 💀🙏
The same thing happened with Epic Games’ last game. Gears of War had its own version of “building” which is wall bouncing. By Gears of War 3 they made it so fast to the point that they lost a lot of OG players but people also loved to sweat and make Wall Bounce compilations.
Playing as ash williams flossing on batman games goofy and fun ngl
"Try building your way out of this one" got me.
Besides the video just being funny and understandable, Vignette Panacea playing later in the video was very nice
A simple fix would be to make another mode where they cap all mats at 50 each (15 builds) and make harvesting slower, Also once you place a build down you cant edit it so the only way to edit it is a pre-edit.
This would stop sweats from building too much and simple players could still create a simple base or place a wall
They could also make it so that builds don't place instantly and it takes about a second for the whole build to complete
15 is crazy you could only make like less than 3 boxes
@@zazfishthat’s the point
@@zazfishthere was an ltm where you could place less i think and it still worked fine
@@ummidk757 so just play zero build u don’t needa make a whole new game mode
@@zazfishImo zero build is way more fun than facing someone and they can build a 5 star hotel and attempt to 360 no scope off the freaking top.
Edit: with aim assist cause epic has severe autism and thinks it is ok to add a cheat ass ability like that.
I think the best/worst thing about Fortnite is that since 2017 it really set the bar for what a game can be in the battle royale scene. The good side is that it doesn’t take itself serious except for the players. The worst is that Warzone tries to be like it. Look at all the collabs CoD has had in it’s time. All was because Activision was trying to keep up with Fortnite but has failed time and time again and MW3 is where everyone collectively said “Fuck this shit i’m out” and steered away from CoD. Obviously CoD will come back because yearly releases is the child of AAA gaming but the only way Warzone will fuckin die is that Fortnite goes back to OG once again. Think about that first week OG came back. YOU HAD OVER 5 MILLION PEOPLE JUMPING ON FORTNITE AGAIN AND POSSIBLY PEOPLE FOR THEIR FIRST TIMES! Lobbies for the first time in a minute didn’t feel like a sweatfest and I’ll admit at one time I hated Fortnite and didn’t see the appeal because I played R6. But once 2020 rolled around and I left that game in the dust and played Fortnite I saw why it was good.
You literally expressing my thoughts... I play zero build all day for the funny moments and damn that part with the small hitbox camo skins for sweaty players.... So damn true man
2:20 dads leaving to get milk after their kid bought a superhero skin and made it all black/white.
honestly its the all pink or all blue ones that are scary lmao
The all whites and all blacks are just little kids copying their favorite streamers and tend to suck, but the all pinks and all blues are absolutely unreal rank players trolling in pubs and creative XD
I agree. Some game devs are just too focused on esports players. I actually like how unranked is so much more fun than ranked in Fortnite.
the moment on 5:50 aged like milk. as soon as chapter 5 happened they stopped doing that...
Bull fucking shit, when the sweats complained about vehicles they were quick to grant their requests.
As a good player I found this video super entertaining and it’s nice to see a different take on the game, tbh I just play ranked builds and sweaty creative map’s because it’s competitive and I enjoy being competitive and proving myself over others, i understand that’s not for everyone but I think Fortnite is an amazing platform for that
Bro lost the plot mid video 💀 what was blud yappin about
I'm surprised you made it this long blud
I stopped sandbagging on ZB and hating on BR and got my skills up. I learned how to crank 90’s, crank ramps, high ground retakes, take boxes, and edit fast to pump headshots. The game is way more fresh and fun now.
0:54 sometimes i would see a full squad use this skin and match each other for extra sweaty points to confuse their enemies on who their shooting at which doesn't work at all to their advantage and me and my team just casually wiped them out without calling out any skins attacking us.
congrats?
@@corn_enthusiast Thank you very much
@@Luna-Mutt no problem
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zero build should be changed to nearly no build, 300 material max, 1 build a second, no fast editing, change my mind
No build is good and my season 2 having ass quit when it hit chapter 2. I would play very rarely then dayZ and Tarkov took over my life and I never went back to Fortnite. Then no build came out and I still was like “f that game f those 9 year old sweats.” Then something changed. My wife asked if I wanted to play no build fortnite because it was something cross platform. I did then got hooked. Don’t get me wrong I can crank 90s and edit but not in 0.02 seconds edit a window shoot dude reset and build some more. Kids got the handle on this game since it’s 6 years old now. Kudos to epic for making no build. The developers had no idea this game would advance so much mechanics wise. Them bringing build and no build permanent made the game playable again. Just my opinion. Also I subbed and liked hope your channel goes well brother!
5:16 bro pulled the Hyper Light Drifter soundtrack, mad respect 🙏🙏🙏
this is a similar experience ive seen a lot of people echo but i never really got into fortnite because of the building and how hard it was to master and deal with other people when you're inexperienced. i came back to play with friends during season OG and got into the whole zero build side because it was much more strategic and didnt require hours and hours of practice building and doing mouse and keyboard tricks. since then i've played more hours than i'd care to admit.
i think it's probably the best option for the game because any change to building and there'd probably be so much outrage epic would change it right back. just look what happened with the movement earlier this season. at this point given how little room there is for nerfs removing build entirely as an option just makes more sense
Someone else commented it but just having a low material mode would be such an amazing kind of “subgame” for battle royale. Like they could make it so that there’s a small group of battle royal modes and make it high material, low material, and no build. Amazing solution for people who want to play casually and still enjoy what makes Fortnite unique. I’d say a mode with 50 materials of each kind would be nice cause it would make an incentive to literally make a fort and metal would be seen as a valuable material instead of disposable like it is now. Metal in general just seems annoying cause as a battle progresses it slows down even more and having hundreds of it just makes fighting a drag. And people being toxic in red vs blue is crazy to me cause that mode is mostly made not for skill but purely strategy and different playstyles. Really liked the vid btw.
honestly building and fighting in builds is not hard. No one needs to do constant edits to win fights, you just gotta know basic tunnels and 90s and how to edit a wall fast so you can safely hit opponents from cover
You need piece control, nobody does 90s anymore or tunnels unless it's end game
I find Zero build to have battles that are more engaging than battles with building
The battles are more comprehensible to spectators.
Movement and positioning play a greater deal, especially with bullet spread.
The skill gap between players is lowered, creating more tense moments.
Close range weapons like shotguns create a stronger risk/reward dynamic for approaching fights in the open
World objects like trees and rocks are used as cover instead of a cache of resources, and their health pools now create a use for surpassing fire and create a disadvantage for players who fight multiple players in the same area in rapid succession.
And all of this is just talking about the Zero Building aspect of it. None of this even mentions how well Overshield compliments this mode
Ive played my fair share of both zero builds in builds (long time fortnite player, but was always kinda bad at builds)
come to realize that ZB is just about praying to find a port-a-bunker or shield bubble or mobility, and not get completely beamed once you hit a max pull. All everybody ever does there is just spray and pray with SMGs, ARs or even shotguns. No skill. Cant defend yourself if you get third partied by another sprayer
"Try building out of this one" 2:48 💀
Building wasn’t intended to be how it is now. It just became excessive. Like using it to push with ramps is one thing but the edits and shit is insane
i play zero builds only but have played since day 1, i love watch FNCS and comp building. a lot of the zero build community are soft and are entitled when they have just started playing during chapter 4. building is a fundamental part of fortnite, but having a full time job i just have more fun grinding no builds, it’s about aim and decisions. idk why we can’t all just play fortnite and appreciate it. all of my skills in build mode help with no build like cross hair placement.
U don’t need to be jobless to get good at building
@@epyons8411 well, you do.
but you can still have a job and know the very basics.
there is a lot of children who can build way better than Fortnite vets soley because they spend most of their time playing Fortnite.
@@blaiddfumbleryou dont lmao just try
@@epyons8411 yeah you do bro.
do you have a job? if so, what do you work as? what is your pay?
Been playing since season 3 and I started playing ZB a season ago I wanna say, it’s just not fun when you try to hop on a game to chill and have fun and then a mf w zero earnings and won’t compete in shit is trying their absolute hardest to win a single fight
Id be interested in build mode where there is restraints on the speed that you can build and maybe even restraints on swapping to begin building. Nothing major, even just 1 wall per half sec limit would change a lot. Inspire people to limit thier build battles this would still allow for one to two walls placed to create cover, and would make forts actually impressive. Instead of scyscrapers being built in mere seconds
at 2:33 my pc crashed and stayed on this image on ninja for a good minute before I had to restart my pc as a whole lmao. great ass video btw.
I feel like zero build requires more tactical skill than build mode because you need to tactically position yourself around the map and use natural cover rather than just be able to throw up the empire state building when they get shot once for 5 dmg
Positioning exists in builds, I’m sorry you just don’t know what you are talking about because you haven’t played enough to know that.
Amazing video my guy, keep on working hard and i guarantee youll make it as a creator
I like the slow pace and simple gameplay from chp 1 season 1 tbh with you
As someone with a full time job and school, I really hate zero build and have no interest in playing it outside of with friends. Most of my friends play build as well, but it's just the feature that got me interested in the game. The complexity of building and editing at a high level is such a unique and highly skillful area of any game, and I love to learn more about it and try to improve. I understand why you and many others like zero build, and I think it is one of the most impactful updates to ever hit Fortnite, but I just can't get over my love for building in this game. High quality video
yeah, i think building is a beautiful way of fighting that no other game can match. Yet I feel that people enjoy the feel that warzone, apex, and pubg give that hold true to the original "survival of the fittest" genre that just involves looting, running around, and shooting, Fortnite has a good feel, yet pro building scared off a lot of the community that wanted to chill more
You know i respect that
yeah. the game has evolved waaaay pass the building aspect, with all the goofy items and movement mechanics. So of course it would bring people back after the zero build update. The build mechanic was a bother for people like me and my friend after we saw all that potential.
Zero builds skill ceiling is gonna go up too people like tefu and zemie are all ready doing solo squads just like the best players years ago soon zero build is gonna be too sweaty for a normal people
No the skill ceiling is quite low
doesnt zemie have aim bot?
@@lamergamer1216 yeah most likely i posted before i knew
@@lamergamer1216Yeah it’s more like soft aim which is like aimbot but not as broken and harder for anti cheat systems to pick it up.
I used to play builds but now i play to chill out. Thats why I play no builds only now.
I mainly play zero build for no reason but I can actually build but saying they ruined the game because they’re *Good* is BS you’re just bad that’s the honest truth if you can’t accept that, you’re the problem with the game (but I do hate them wannabe pro Shitting on them is the best feeling ever they think they’re best in the world)
Yeah I cringe at this video now. My opinion nowadays is kinda the opposite. I was bitter af when I made this. Superhero skins people are still corny tho
@@Layo0 I hate superhero skins you know what’s even worse there not even good their console players who want to be the next clix like you’re not getting out the trenches
sweats dont ruin games, if they did then league of legends, fncs, counterstrike, etc would not have as big playerbases as they do, people like to compete but i have a feeling alot of casuals only like to compete when the fight is in their favor (cars, marvel mythics etc which is fine im glad we have those options because i do think they are fun)
i dont have anything against casuals in fact i consider myself a casual, but you cant expect to beat another person who has more practice/experience then you at something at least not easily and thats in all games that have pvp and that doesnt mean its hopeless when your put up against someone whos "sweaty" your always going to lose if your down on yourself i got a friend whos like that and its hard convincing him he doesnt need to give up when stuff gets or looks difficult
also i dont use superhero skins but from my experience playing against/with them most are just kids that are pretty chill
The only real downside of the game based on the fact that there is 2 different part of the game as a good player point of view, is that when you are building a map and a meta of a game, you do it as considering how player will play with it, but the issue is that fortnite is not the same game playing zero build or not. More than that, the game have a huge potential of being a good competitive game, but because of how they are dealing with these issues, they are stuck between casual zero build players, and build players, more than that, it's even more of an issue when it come to competitive. The answer could be easy, seperate zero build than build mode, and seperate pubs than competitive, and you could be thinking that it has already be done, but its not if you look closly, the issue of being on the same map built for 2 different game is still there, the meta not being accurate with competitive as in terms of build whise or just in terms of additions of the items in ranked compared to in actuals cups.
I only sweat when l have to. I’m mostly a Zero Build player who just wants to play and mind his own business. I also do Ranked Zero Build and for some reason, there are sweats in the mode too along with god damn Superskins, Auras, etc. Just stop sweating, god damn dude. (The highest rank l got was Elite in ZB btw.)
Do you really expect people to not try in a ranked mode? Like do you just expect them to come up to you, drop all their stuff and let you kill them?
fr crying about sweats in ranked is dumb cause no shit its a sweat mode
smartest ZB player "why are there good players in ranked?"
Zb players simply cannot comprehend someone being better them
As someone who started on Switch in Season 4 when it came out, then swapped to PC last year, I both love and hate Fortnite building. Back before ZB, I was fine at building, especially seeing how I was on Switch. However, since ZB has come out, I have not touched Battle Royale. If I play on console again, then maybe I'll play build mode, but I'm probably going to stay on pc, where I have no clue how to build. Not only do I not know how to build, but it also like over halves the number of keybinds, so I dont have to reach across my keyboard to build a staircase.
the point with the people that says that tryhards ruin the game is that they think that EVERYONE that builds is a tryhard and thats the problem, they see someone doing a triple edit and instantly they say: OH NO A TRYHARD RUN!!!!
Every person who says comments like that is a bad player, like 99% of the time
@@adrijiyuda said the zero build ps4 player
@@Iker3329_ 1v1 me find out if I’m still on PS4 and can’t build ;)
Kinda true, most people do think that, I just find it annoying when I try to play builds from time to time and mfs just box up constantly or try to run away in a pub match, I don’t mind the builds at all its just that people do try their absolute hardest for no fucking reason
@@shortesnameofalltimei mean, it makes sense, people play to win. But also same i cant help but get a little pissy when the guy i got to 10 health shockwaves away immediately
Sometimes i drop in after months of not playing, I get put in a game with 90 bots and a few sweats and i just position myself according to the storm and build forts, when i get engaged by a sweat i just shoot at him until he is out of mats and consumed by the storm. Most fun shit ever.
W video
originally i was going to just say "play zero builds" but i watched the whole vid
one point i disagree with is that building is all flair
sure sometimes its over the top but the reason people build so much is to have piece control and essentially "trap" the opponent in their builds
otherwise good vid and great editing
90% of the time, in real game scenarios, what you do with building in the sense of triple edits doesnt matter. Theres many retakes with minimal editing better than the double edit, triple edit, etc. Im elite almost champion without knowing a single retake or build fight technique. I dont even know how to cone and im on pc so I have aim assist
90% of the time, in real game scenarios, what you do with building in the sense of triple edits doesnt matter. Theres many retakes with minimal editing better than the double edit, triple edit, etc. Im elite almost champion without knowing a single retake or build fight technique. I dont even know how to cone and im on pc so I have aim assist
yeh this is what ive been learning playing piece control, the more area you can claim with your own builds and being able to build fast gives you an equal advantage as your opponent, in order to play casual build you just need to learn basic editing like on walls which is the easy part in my opinion because its just learning new keybinds and using them enough to get comfortable with it, one of the things that helped me alot was finding the bind to reset my walls so i can make a window or door and instantly close it
theres alot of strategy to building its just the casual players response to dying to someone whos better then them is to curse them out and act like theyre the ones ruining the game when this stuff is normal, people are always gonna lean towards the meta in a game and people that care about winning so much that they will get so mad over dying once but refuse to use the stuff they died to themselves because it "takes no skill" doesnt really make much sense to me especially when it is something like building that actually does take alot of practice to do well
building forts in fortnite never really died it just evolved and from my experience most superhero skins are not toxic they are just better at the game which there is nothing wrong with
I agree with the fact that the building looks like ballet, I only do that when there's a sweat coming at me
I switched to mouse and keyboard recently and there is no way I will ever learn building on this its too hard. Im sticking to zero build.
put your mind to it and you can achieve anything
1:07 Actually no, the thing with those skins is the fact that they give some advantage in terms of input delay as the same with the star pickaxe, i know cause i was part of it a long time ago until i burned out, at least i still keeping my skill but otherwise i prefer playing zero build, but sometimes is still not that easy considering the skill based matchmaking...
Man this video really brought out all the 12 year olds in the comments lmao.
Zero build should have an extra slot for port a bunkers and defensive items
Season X was good, the exact people you complained about ruining the game are the people that couldn't handle season x being silly
The problem was that the silly stuff was in competitive, in which actual money is on the line. Losing 1000+ to an OP mech isn't fair.
@@kirbot 99% of people aren't playing for money who cares
@@samcandles You’re saying you never got pissed off by the mechs? Also you know that Fortnite gets a lot of views and press from competitive, right? If Fortnite just ditched all competitiveness and just amped up the “silliness” then that’s a huge portion of the viewer base, gone.
@@kirbot don't care, season x was awesome. Everyone focuses more on the BRUTE instead of the fact we got a new POI and weapons every single week, the fact the battle pass was one of if not the best ever, it was also where the lore really started picking up for this first time. Also halfway into the season the brute was nerfed to shit and they died very quickly
It was alright, but the mechs were genuinely horrible to play against. I guarantee that if there was zero build back then it they would still be universally hated because your literal hope of surviving them was to either build your way out (which was almost impossible), get in a blow them up if there was only one person or if they weren't too far, or hide on the meteor and spray them because they destroyed all cover.
The other complaints about it though was that people weren't getting full og locations back after Dusty Depot returned. It wasn't that the season was silly, people wanted nostalgia for the older seasons. Not to mention the lootpool was kinda dog shit.
In my opinion, this is the way Fortnite should’ve had building in the first place, so it never got out of control or too sweaty.
1.) You can’t run while building only walking
2.) You can only edit a build peace once it’s fully built.
"wholesome chungus everyday of the week❤" respect 100
The Fort building was NOT introduced in the BR, it was in the standalone Save The World game where you fight endless waves of zombies and I think try to survive until a fortnight (2 weeks) which was great until Battle Royale mode came out and the new end game how to win mechanic was to shoot all other teams. I don’t know why building even carried outside of that original mode because building a bunch of walls and a mansion and a miniature village you spent time to forage for only for the other team to just shoot you in the face is wild to me. Zero Build is massively superior, no clouding up the end goal, no searching around a MAZE of crappy ramps just to kill one or two people, just eliminate the other players with your battleground prowess. I don’t disagree building takes skill but none of it has anything to do with the end goal. What it boils down to is NO ONE wins BR and Zero Build by creating structures whereas in the original mode that was the exact goal is to build a FORT and survive.
This channel is gonna blow up 😂 I laughed so much
Nah fr bro this shit was actually funny ash 😂
All of my attempts to try Fortnite BR (with build) have been painful, but I love Zero Build so much.
Dude when I played build I never built anything an won 10 crowns without building I switched to ZB only won 2 crowns
Getting elims in Builds is easier since there’s no heat shield, so as long as you don’t run into Bob The Builder, you have nothing to worry about 😂
@@Itznkb I should have said those were chapter 4 wins especially during the Star Wars mini event I mostly camped and did ambushes I stream my Fortnite game play
I mostly play Zero Build, but for some reason I started farming gold in Build mode. I've had several games where I spent 80% of the game gold farming, then win the game with 10+ elims, never building a single piece, haha.
@@Kryxx07 Farming gold?
@@Kryxx07good stuff beating pubs bots
They should let you go into each season and/or turn different weapons and feature on or off. It could be like going back in time, but by choice, not some storyline. But also continue what they are doing independently.
i cant even hate on fortnite bro. the memories fortnite gave me in my prime time of life will live on forever. I miss it, but im glad it happened
Agreed. If building was fun enough to more people, then Epic wouldn’t even have had to make Zero Builds to begin with. People won’t “get gud” at something they don’t even find fun.
while fortnite is a a mostly casual game saying that people ruined it by trying to hard is not right in my opinion this games has a comp side to it as well having the biggest cash prize polls for the widest audience of players so yes people will grind to get better and saying thats weird is wrong because alot of people enjoy ranked gamemodes like arena or ranked and they enjoy the progress of getting better overwatch is also a cartoon game with a big casual player base and yet we dont call those we play ranked to get better and those who try hard to get better weird or say they ruined the game , also saying epic games is quick react to their mistakes is flat out wrong both in fortnite and other games, they used to react and fix them quickly 4-5 years back but this days they dont do so , both in fortnite and other games they own , they just removed trading for rocket league which took a major part of the game away and nobody liked the change and yet they care for money not for the community and in fortnite they have had the most annoying changes that nobody likes that are still in the game such as : siphon , the sticky grenade launcher , and even in the last biggest tournament since world cup they ignore everyone telling them to lower obeservers to reduce the lag that made a 4 mil lan event unplayable
You make some good points. Respectable. Also idk how I completely forgot that epic games didn’t patch double pump after like 87 years.
thx u 2@@Layo0
I’d say they still react to their mistakes and bugs really quickly.
i was with you until the fixes, they still fix their game and they still listen to us, better than any game I've ever seen I'd say
look at other games such as rust or even overwatch they do a whole lot more listening and what fixes? its been over a month and we still didnt get new guns and movment in creative which isnt that hard to add to the point where its even weird its not been in creative since day one also normal server performence(not tournys just ranked) as gone done a lot and hasnt been fixed yet i cannot understand the argument that epic even slighlty cares about anything that dosent directly give tham money and ofc you can use the they are on a break argument but they still had 2 weeks- 3 weeks this season before they went on it so they still had planty of time@@horse3987
Idk who said it, but everytime i look at a game like fortnite and so on, it rings more true everytime. You should optimize the game around the PLAYERS first and foremost.
hood irony
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@@Layo0games
easiest fix of all time, you want that fortnite nostalgia where 90s were king. Make a mode with no editing. Just building and jumping
The game just needs better matchmaking, the br gameplay loop at the moment is destroying 13 ai, killing one or two average players and then iether getting steam rolled by a top 6k tourney demon or some moron controller warriors their way into your builds and wins the 50/50 on 3 health.
I want to face normal people bro 💀
"unironically" you can say the hitboxes are the same all you want, a shot that would miss a female skin would hit a model like Peter or Fish Thicc in the arms. That's the only proof needed, really.
Its been tested a lot of times, all hitboxes are the same
hitbox and model are two different things, ain't no way they are making whole asses different hitbox and then say that they aren't